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- Finland's president and prime minister have called for the country to apply for NATO membership as soon as possible.
In a joint statement, Sauli Niinisto and Sanna Marin said: "NATO membership would strengthen Finland's security. As a member of NATO, Finland would strengthen the entire defence alliance. Finland must apply for NATO membership without delay".
It's the first step in a process that could see Finland roll back decades of military non-alignment.
The announcement is expected to put pressure on Sweden, which is also considering applying to join the western military defence alliance. Finland shares a 1300 kilometre border with Russia. The mood in Finland has changed dramatically since Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.
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Russia and Putin are the greatest NATO recruiters.
Putin: Make NATO Great Again
I laughed when I read your remark. I love it. I wonder if any entrepreneurs have thought of using this dark humor to create posters with this message?
The world needs Putin.
@@jrkr7357 I think you forgot to finish your sentence with dead
@@jrkr7357 What exactly do we need him for? Please explain.
Finland has a world class military, much respect and love ❤️
@ERRATAS 0202 why dont you count them as a first rate power?
@ERRATAS 0202 finland?
@ERRATAS 0202 deflecting just shows you dont know what makes a first rate power
@Suvi Eskelinen Finnish signal corps beat the US marines. Was a funny story, too bad I can't seem to find much specifics anywhere.
@ERRATAS 0202 ,
I take it you haven’t done your homework?
Here’s a history lesson, if you read it, you might realise why the PRIM, (Putin’s Russian Incompetent Military), isn’t doing as well as they thought they would in any of the major Wars it’s been involved in since 1945,
British SAS, German KSK, eFP & JEF:-
Ukraine are training with the British SAS and for the past 8 years, they have also been training with the American Special Forces,
The German KSK was Established with the aid of the British SAS and regularly do their training with the SAS,
Whilst the eFP (enhanced Forward Presence) in the Baltic states Poland are also made up of 900 British troops,
The 2016 NATO Summit in Warsaw set the conditions for the establishment of an enhanced Forward Presence (eFP) in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland to strengthen Euro-Atlantic security.
ENHANCED FORWARD PRESENCE
Operation Cabrit is the name of the UK operational deployment to Estonia where British troops are leading a multinational battlegroup as part of the enhanced Forward Presence (eFP).
UK Armed Forces have a leading role in NATO’s eFP in the Baltic States, in order to enhance Euro-Atlantic security, reassure our Allies and deter our adversaries.
The eFP in the Baltic States is a deployment of robust, multinational, combat-ready forces to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland, on a persistent, rotational basis.
About 900 British personnel rotate on a continuous basis alongside Danish, French, and host nation Estonian forces.
In Poland, a Light Cavalry Squadron from the Royal Dragoon Guards, of approximately 140 personnel, as part of a US-led battlegroup composed of a battalion of the California National Guard as well as Romanian and Croatian contributions.
Additional units include elements from the Adjutant General’s Corps, Intelligence Corps, Royal Artillery, Royal Electrical Mechanical Engineers, Royal Engineers, Royal Logistics Corps, Royal Military Police, and Royal Signals. The enhanced Forward Presence is just one aspect of a wide range of UK support to NATO.
The UK Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) is a United Kingdom-led expeditionary force which may consist of, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Sweden and Norway. Eight of the countries are also members of NATO, with Finland and Sweden currently outside that alliance.
Launched in 2015, the joint force has continued to develop and will become fully operational, which could mean the mobilisation of 10,000 troops to respond quickly to a range of issues, using combat power, deterrence or humanitarian support.
Spearheaded by the UK, Sweden and Finland make the JEF a nine-nation-strong pool of forces, alongside Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, and Norway. The JEF builds on many years of experience between the UK and these countries.
During the Ebola outbreak a Dutch ship worked alongside the Royal Navy, and the Norwegians provided twice weekly C130 flights to support the UK response to the crisis.
This example of joint work is a clear example of the kind of humanitarian support the JEF will be able to provide.
The JEF concept is distinct from existing international organisations, and can operate alone, but has the ability to integrate with other multinational high-readiness forces, and can support NATO, EU, and UN forces.
So they are all trained by the SAS or are joint forces lead by the UK forces that are SAS trained, along with the SAS they also have training from the American Special Forces on using their High Tech equipment in battle environments, to help defend their own or any other Allies countries,
🤔
Finland stepping up
Finland takes orders from itself, not Putin or anyone else. They joining NATO is their prerogative and right. Had Russia been a better behaved neighbor, joining NATO would had been pointless, but because of the evil historically and currently ongoing, it only reasonable to join.
ummmm...what about the USA?
@@dardoura What about them? As an American, I will admit that the USA has it's share of sin to answer to, but this isn't necessarily about them. This is about Finland doing what's best for them, and with a neighbor (Russia) who essentially supports secession/annexing (stealing) territory under the pretense of "breakaway regions", I don't blame them at all.
@@omarwat2709 Under Putin's rule, Russia does seem to have developed a nasty habit of first creating and then annexing "breakaway regions" in their neighboring states. It might be a blessing in disguise that the Finnish language is of no relation whatsoever to the Russian language, so it's rather hard to pretend there is an organically grown Russian-speaking separatist movement in Eastern Finland.
The fins are making the rigth choice. It wont hurt to have some extra security, plus there is a good window rigth now for this, Russia is to overstreched to meddle with the process of joining.
Now we can say, " we don't start wars, WE FINNISH THEM!!" 😂🤣👍🍀
Putin said : no choice I got to boom you too as escalating and Nato threatening Russia with USA as head. I got to boom you too first. As Nato failed in agreement no one inch towards East toward Russia.
This is not security, this is escalation.
Putin said : no choice I got to boom you too as escalating and Nato threatening Russia with USA as head. I got to boom you too first. As Nato failed in agreement no one inch towards East toward Russia.
Awesome
I love this news anchor's voice, so comforting
Excellent!!
Happy to see Finnish brothers in NATO! Together we’re stronger than ever! 🇫🇮🇵🇱
LMAO YOUR PROFILE
We warmly welcome Finland to the 'we don't like getting invaded' club
Thank you very much! Greetings from Finland! 🇫🇮
I think everyone is in that club, but some asshats just believe that they're the only ones deserving such a status.
Good one 👍. So true.
Yeah its more like they do the invading now.
@@poopyanalbumhole you want to beat sent into the meat grinder huhhh
Why would Finland think that Russia would honor nonaggression treaties and agreements when they broke them by invading Ukraine? Russia and Ukraine signed a Friendship, Partnership and Cooperation agreement in 1997 establishing in part 'the inviolability of existing borders and territorial integrity' but Russia didn't honor that one or any other treaty they signed with Ukraine. Russia can't be trusted. PERIOD
Just semantics here but its not so much Russia proper that didn't honor the agreement as it was Putin. Russia without Putin would be a very different nation and would likely still honor that treaty. Just like I've always said that this isn't Russia's war, but Putin's war. The sooner he's removed the better.
@@JerryFisher nah. Most russians support the war. It's ideologys such as russkiy mir and all-russian nation.
Russia wants to expand and oppress the eastern states under them. If there was no Putin, there would be someone else like him on the throne. First it was the tsar's, then it was Lenin and Stalin, and now it Putin.
The way Russia works is everyone takes some from the top, and if you don't, people think you're a bit slow. Then people are angry that nothing works and corruption is high.
To take peoples minds off of those things. They invade a neighbor and their leaders support goes to all time high
@@JerryFisher Yes I agree with you. One can't generalize as many lovely Russion people etc. It's purely Putin, end of story causing all this awful business.
@@JerryFisher To an extent, but let's not pretend that Putin and his policies are not popular in Russia, they're very popular. Even if Putin is somehow replaced, it'll take much more to make Russia a trusted international partner again, especially for any country that Russians currently view as "Western" or "Western aligned".
@@JerryFisher Strange... I don't see Putin and his friends invading Ukraine... Last time I looked, the Russian army was fighting there. Somebody should tell Russia about that, I guess.
If it wasn’t for Russia NATO probably wouldn’t exist. Russia’s actions have only increased support for NATO in the west. Long live NATO and Ukraine. 🇺🇦💙💛🇺🇦
"probably"? it's explicity to counter russia
love putin,love Russia.
NATO is a pact to counter Russia, so yeah.
NATO came into being after ww2 to fend off the soviets, and they in turn created the Warsaw Pact.
@@nayemsun5081 yes. The greatest thief's of europe and the world
@@betabenja it's explicitly a defense pact, but yes, Russia is basically the only nation anyone in Europe is worried about being invaded by
People tend to forget that it's not just the Finnish Government wanting to join NATO, but a majority of the Finnish people.
love putin,love Russia.
Because they don't know what is NATO really!!! They are too far from Brussels!
They have been brain washed by the UE-NATO-BRUSSELS MAFIAS METHODS!
@@nayemsun5081 Are you saying you love putin and russia or are you commanding us to? Either way, suck it. Bot.
@@nayemsun5081 So you love people dying on both sides for no reason? And you love a dictator, who has no logic? Just asking...
They might have been neutral on paper, but they maintained NATO level standards and trained with NATO countries. So I think it is safe to say that Finland and Sweden were already leaning much more towards NATO than to neutral. Putin just helped push them over the finish line.
A special make my country go backwards in more ways than anyone dreamed possible operation.
Exactly right. Good job Pootie!
Push them over the Finnish line if you will 🫣😏
During peaceful times there was no need to strain relations with Russia by joining, but we always knew that there might come a day when we need get in fast, and prepared for it in advance. That day has come and those preparations are now paying off.
Neutrality is a defined concept in international law. Neutral states may still take sides culturally, economically or politically, just not militarily. Finland, Sweden and Switzerland have always been neutral, Western democracies.
Putin wanted NATO to rollback from its borders. Well, his aggression is bringing NATO even closer. A good lesson, if he can learn.
It’s going to be his excuse to invade Helsinki. He will eventually lose but will we nuke back if the country hasn’t fully joined NATO yet?
And he needed his Orange Puppet to help by taking the US out of NATO....but Donny got kicked to the curb.
people like him never learn
That elevator isn't reaching the top these days, which is the most terrifying thing about this situation.
Bullies never learn
Its so sad that its come to this. putin had the option to attract other countries to join and alliance with Russia by offering friendship, trade incentives, investment, security and mutual agreements (that are honoured), instead its just been : threats, lies, aggression, broken promises, assassinations of political enemies, restrictions on press freedom and vitriol based on things long in the past that could have just been forgotten. Who in the world will want to work with a partner that doesnt honour trade agreements, or security agreements ? Not even china or North Korea would want to !
Russia has nothing positive to offer.
And Putin is confused?
What broken promises? What trade agreement ? You are just manipulated by american have you honored your promise of not extending NATO not one inch not one inch ? Please Answer me you are just liars and devious people!
Yeah, well bullies thnk that the only way to get what you want is by bullying. Being a good neighbour/friend works better.
People still work with the US so what is the difference?
Exactly right, very well said Helen! 👍
Well done Finland 🇫🇮
Welcome to NATO. Pay no heed to growling bears, they have no teeth or claws to hurt you now.
Now I must return to supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦
@@kineticstar you seem to have forgotten about their nuclear arsenal.
Let turn Europe into middle east 😂😂
Well done Finland, for taking your decades of peace for granted.
@@mjt1517 You seem to have forgotten about NATO's nuclear arsenal. You also failed to think longer then your nose reach. Russia have to split all their nuces among so many targets, while NATO have 1 target = Russia. Elon Musk will destroy every Russian satelite if they send nuclear, while NATO just click 1 button to send all their nuclear on EVERY key target of Russia, that NATO have saved on coordinates. So if Russia were to send 1 nuclear, Russia just send themselves to death.
Great move Finland Congratulations!!👏👏 Hope Sweden follows as well.🙏
Self preservation. Finland is a progressive country if they want to join NATO it speaks volumes. It also says Putin today is a bigger threat than the Soviet Union was.
Lets see how many countries Putin destroys. How many people Russian army kills. Power to peace.
Not a bigger threat just a more unstable threat.
the opposite i think : if Finland had tried joining NATO, the USSR would have invaded. But today, Russia is incompetent and tangled up in Ukraine, which means Finland has the time to join. It is true that Putin has proven as aggressive as the USSR, tho.
@@Brandtyboy1 Yeppers. Like a Soviet Union with a shiny cyanide coating.
@@azyjmexcuseokstop924 I puzzle over Russia's paranoia of NATO. By invading Ukraine Putin justified NATO's existence. Cause and effect. NATO is a defensive organization who simply wants to maintain peace by deterring invasions.
Safety in numbers as they says. Nothing like a common threat to unite a defensive force... Well done Mr Putin for achieving the opposite of what you wanted 👏 🤣
In the end people will be angry (so angry) they will hate those they are not, Simply becuase they will be jealous of the gift they will not receive themselves.
This unity will go down with Murica who is eating itself very fast since Joe 🤸♂ Cant wait for the real purge movie from the US
Putin already got what he always wanted, he doesn't care a tiny country like Finland 😄😄😄
@@panongkone if you mean to get rid of thousands of young russian soldiers and to show the world what a joke the russian army is then yes...het got what he wanted.
After the end of this Ukraine war, I propose a UN Global Defense Force that includes multiple nations (including the United States and Canada). The job of the GDF is to enforce the International Rule of Law through military force.
If we had the Global Defense Force today, it would declare war on Putin's Russia. It would be in Ukraine supporting NATO and it's mission would be to wipe out Russia's military. The GDF will not invade Russia. What are your thoughts on my idea?
Welcome to NATO, Finland! We’re glad to have you with us. 🇫🇮🇺🇸
@BlackholeTtson452 Forget Ukraine, NATO can't steal Ukraine, most Ukraine's territory are historically Russian, NATO can't steal these territories!
As for Finland, what I can understand here is that Finland wants to attack Russia!... really?!
When Sweden and Finland get Nuked by Russia would be lesson to the other. NATO wana be members. 😀😀😀
@BlackholeTtson452 Would require Ukraine to settle its current internal and external border disputes first unless they make some special exception which I don't see happening due to the Donbas being an internal issue with external influences. So if Ukraine wins this war absolutely, expels the Russians and recaptures the Donbas then it's very likely they can be included if Ukraine either A.) recaptures Crimea and settles the issue with Russia after Russia's defeat or B.) gives up Crimea and settles the issue with Russia. As long as Ukraine has the Donbas situation and territorial conflicts with Russia involving Crimea then it's just not going to happen. Finland gave up their territorial claims on the land they lost to Russia (despite them actually winning that war if I remember correctly) ages ago so Finland is in a perfect situation to join as they have no internal or external territorial conflicts.
You and not one here understand how dangerous is for Russia this movement. By the way, this happened before with the Cuba missiles crises that the Soviet union put on that country nuclear war heads and USA felt unsecured.
Ukraine people will abuse you for being chinese ukraine is very racist country
Gotta love that direct speaking Finnish style. If only more of the Western politicians spoke as astutely and sharply as the Finns.
It would have been nice to hear " Russian military vessel; GFYS!
@@barnabasastrofengia5345 lol
Wholeheartedly agreed.
rofl no way we speak with a forked tounge just ask the native americans
Well said
I feel safer now with the Finnish army on our team!
Only half of our army on your side. 🇫🇮🇷🇺😎
Never mind a troll :-D
@@nikoa97 Comical gold right there
@@nikoa97
@@woofytwoshoes7711 These "ladies" will show you what happened in 1945. 🇫🇮🇷🇺😎
Happy to see Finnish brothers in NATO! Together we’re stronger than ever! 🇫🇮🇵🇱
Thanks, I absolutely agree stronger than ever before! I feel so happy we finally join forces with Poland and the Baltic states here on the eastern flank. ..and that we will get Sweden with us into NATO. Wow,.. !!! never thought I’d se this day! 🇫🇮🇪🇪 🇱🇻🇱🇹 🇵🇱🇺🇦
But, It feels we can’t really celebrate before Ukraine is freed from the oppressors!
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦🇺🇦
Finland and Sweden are bringing big enhancement Force Multipliacation to the Eastern flank of NATO.
Bravo, Finland & Sweden!
As it looks now, Ukraine will most likely push out the Russian terrorist gangster invaiders.
NATO membership may very well be in the cards for Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova as well.
+@@Finnbearl61r Both Poland and Finland had territory stolen from them by Josef Vissarionivich Dgushvilli. 1939-40.
@@BloodyApril yeah,.. is there some one that has not been stolen from by that son of a b.
Putin kurwa Mac!! Hello from Finland!
From
nato is a slavery
There’s no way to live peacefully with Putin’s Russia.
There is no way to live peacefully with Russia....PERIOD!!!!!
Yes. Putin will not allow that.
I love it, he says “don’t mess with Finnish security” to Russia, that’s the correct attitude to have, never step down to a bully, good for you Finland!
Well they need to fear Russia, they powerfull, so
Nah they poo
@@ОммнриГрошшо ,Not even close to how powerful NATO is, Russia’s economy is not even 1/3 the size of the state of Californias’ economy in the United States , let alone the whole country and all of the other NATO countries,if Russia decides to invade NATO territory, They had better not start their aggressive behavior with NATO countries, NATO is a defensive military authoritative, they have no interest in invading Russia unless they start it first, Finland and Sweden have every right to join NATO and protect its own borders against an aggressor Russia. this will not be pretty.
This is what I fear: Finland, Sweden, Norway apply for NATO - how long does that take?
Russia moves troops to Fin boarder in response and tries hard diplomacy. US/NATO entry conditions delay things (military spending/capacity/training etc).
Russian troops/infrastructure near the boarder gets hit somehow/false flag event by US to look like Finland or similar type of event.
Russia responds with attacks on Finland' troops/infrastructure - NATO rule "countries with boarder disputes are not permitted to enter NATO". Finland's in limbo ...
Sweden Norway maybe get into NATO?
US/NATO says we cannot intervene directly Finland because you are not "IN" NATO yet - but US will send you all the weapons and money to fight Russia." (to the last Finnished?)
Finland will be the next Ukraine - the next proxy war for the US - and end up like Ukraine.
@@MASC440 Norway is already a NATO member though...
Awesome! Finland will never have to fight alone again!
Though I would like to add, Finland can hold its own!
Neighbours would probably help, at least the same way Ukraine is helped by NATO. But all Skandinavian countries being members of NATO makes joint battle selfunderstood and legalized. Russians would run home so fast they wouldn't stop even at Moscow. Maybe near Vladivostok. 🤣
Dont worry in case of ww3 they will be the first to be decimated
We never had to fight alone. We were always backed by sweden as its out common interest to defend against russia
We're lucky to have such a great ally as Finland. Humbled and happy to have you on board!
NATO is stronger and more United than ever. Proud turkish to be part of nato since 1952 and welcoming our new members. 🙏
Don't comeback yes
Each of these myope decision by European politicians eyeing a status of Washington's Poodle makes Europe less and less secure...
Subservience to America's Global Dominance demands seems to be an asset to European politicians looking for popularity, prominence and thus, reelection.
Instead of increasing Europe's security such dumb decisions are bringing us all closer and closer to nuclear war that will end life on this planet...
That is as dumb as one can get!
@@shayna.6928 no
@@shayna.6928 Dont come back neutral? That makes no sense, you make no sense.
This is the result of Putins own doing.
Russia threatens Finland and Sweden not to join Nato, at a time when neither country really considered it. Result Sweden and Finland feels threaten, and therefore joins Nato.
Don't move or im gonna shoot. and u run like mad. smart move
They have morally been aligned with western values for decades, applying for NATO membership formalizes their values as well as giving Putins Russia something extra to worry about if they decide to invade Finland.
There’s absolutely no way Russia could even entertain the idea of invading another country now or any time in the next decade. They f**ked it big time in the Ukraine.
It's Finland and Sweden that has to worry. Russia has 7.500 Nuclear weapons enough to blow up the Earth.
@@rogerburn5132 100 are enough to do the job. If Putin is dumb enough to try his luck he’d be sealing his own fate as well. What’s your point????
@@andysmith6218 My Point is Putin is NOT dumb at all. If Russia Nukes Sweden and Finland. US is NOT being attacked directly So US is 10.000 miles away and Will Not use Nukes against Russia because Russia can destroy US. So the only people that are dumb are Swedish people and Finland. To join NATO and risk getting Nuked by Russia.
@@rogerburn5132 So does NATO countries combined. It's threat of mutually assured destruction if either side uses the first nuke.
Bravo Finland and the Finnish people, right on!
Great decision Finland n Sweden God bless NATO
@@vitogrisanti7289 NATO?? So you wanna join an organization that wants war to the world?
So Finland wants to attack Russia now??? really?
Denmark welcomes our Finnish cousins!
Happy to see this reaction to the criminal actions of the Russian imperial conquests.
Love from Canada 🇨🇦
Another Canuck agrees 🇨🇦
Go Ukraine 🇺🇦
Its over for ukr
Donkey!
Alexander Stubb always reps Finland well. Smart dude
It's always far easier to comment on politics from a position outside of the government than from within. If you are a part of the government, everything you say will be regarded as an official stance of the government, which ought to be highly annoying for most politicians when answering questions. Only a personality like Trump wouldn't mind it.
As usual, the Scandinavian countries show balance, determination, caring attitude, clarity, etc... SUPERB FINLAND AND SWEDEN!!!!!!!
Nordic countries, Finland is not in Scandinavia...
How can you be neutral when your neighbor is threatening you?
By being armed to the teeth.
@@neodym5809 Then Finland will be fine.
If Putin ever decided do invade Finland (I hope not), I wonder what will be the lie: “too many deers” or “free the finnish nation of too many rock bands”
Invading Finland 🇫🇮 the reason is very clear
Long live rock and roll!!!
Too few Sabaton Songs? Too many living russian soldiers?
why would he invade Finland?
Koskenkorva vodka is too good. A threat to Russian vodka industry.
It's just like out president said: the Russians did this. If the border with NATO was their worry, i hope our application for membership will scare the sh*it out of Kremlin. I wish they still respect the fact that this is a defensive alliance though.
It was never about NATO, Russia wanted Ukraines natural resources so they wouldn't have a competitor for gas and oil sales. Russia already bordered NATO countries before.
@@deleqtronica8733 What resources? Why do you argue if you have no idea what you are talking about
@@slyderyder3491 How about the estimated 1 trillion cubic meters of natural gas reserves in Ukraine? Why do YOU argue if you have no idea what you are talking about?!
@@Henno94 the only gas that is in Ukraine comes from Russia and transits to Europe, they would have exploited it if it was that easy, but I get what you mean I thought you meant they are like Iran or Qatar , although I don't think it's as much as you said
@@slyderyder3491 You're right, I'm sorry, it's not as much as I said. It's actually a lot more. An estimated 5.4 trillion cubic meters in total according to Wikipedia.
Putin: We must invade Ukraine to stop NATO from approaching our borders
Finland: We share a 1300km border with Russia and will join NATO
Putin: Blyat
Glad to see FI and SE join the defense organisation. Finland is an excellent military capability. They should never be victims to Putin's "orders", they can do what they want!
As much as we Finns like to joke about the Swedes and vice versa they are our brothers.
It was a mistake for the Russians to make the claim they have a say in our security. They are not the Soviet Union. They are a rump state born out of its carcass.
Exactly, agree 100! 👍
More NATO compatible than most other NATO countries. Finland and Sweden are obviously aware of how much they have to offer NATO.
Finns like to be net asset in any company we choose to keep.
Welcome to both Finland and Sweden as a Canadian I hope your membership is ratified swiftly. Both your national capabilities and ideals will be real assets to NATO as a whole.
Congratulations to Finland. Very very welcome.
I love when former Prime Minister Stubbs is on the broadcast. He's very informative.
Finland have a standing army of 280,000 and a reserve of 900,000 who have been highly trained to fight the Russians, and Russia only. In fact, while Ukraine has a much smaller army and had been preparing since 2014, Finland have been preparing for nothing else but this since WW2, so not an opponent Russia would like to anger or poke right now, while being highly stuck in Ukraine.
If what we see from Russia in Ukraine is the best they can deliver now, then they would stand no chance against Finland that has a top modernized army that has been training for this since the last time they faced Russia.
Back then The Red Army had more than 1 million soldiers already deployed on the borders of Finland, before the mobilization, while Finland had just 33,000. The Soviet deployed 2,318 aircraft, including 1,044 fighters and 855 bombers and 395 others for strategic bombing, paratroop insertion, reconnaissance, artillery observation, and so forth.
Finland only had 114 out of date aircrafts, but fortunately, due to diplomatic efforts they were able to secure additional aircrafts assembled in Sweden, 30 from the UK, 30 from France, 29 from South Africa, besides Finland themselves buying 35 Italian Fiat G.50 monoplanes to take down Soviet bombers. The only organized foreign air unit to help out Finland was a Swedish volunteer squadron.
At the end, the Winter War cost Finland 24,923 dead or missing, while the Soviet fatalities numbered 273,000 dead, so more than 10 times more than ill prepared Finland. In fact, the combined Soviet casualties of dead and wounded was a quarter of the 1.2 million Soviet soldiers deployed.
This day and age, the army equipment of Finland is vastly more up to date and modern than that of Ukraine and what they have been receiving from NATO, so it's top NATO standard, and their very large army and reserves are vastly better prepared to face Russia, so if the Russian war machine is doing questionably in Ukraine, they would be totally pulverized in Finland.
Dont joke with war and dont make it sound easy
@@slyderyder3491 What joke did he make?
lol
I'd just add to that one thing: the Finnish Army is not built for offence. It is a defense force, specifically structured and trained for the objective of stopping and destroying anyone attacking us.
FIAT G.50 monoplanes flying with the Finnish air force had 99 confirmed victories against the Soviet air force, and lost only 3 planes, with a kill/loss ratio of 33:1 (!)
For context, they said Sweden and Finland spend a third of the Russian budget and if you were wondering why he sounded impressed by that number is because Sweden and Finland have 15 million people combined. Roughly one tenth of Russia's population.
"To roll back decades of military non-alignment"
It's not rolling back on non-alignment but reacting to a threat. Finns have been aware that Ru will propably threaten/invade again and that's why their military is up to date and has always been open to the possibility of joining Nato amd they are one of the most nato compatible countries in terms of hardware, but there wasn't a huge threat before and they didn't think Pubin is as insane as he is now.
They have been cautiously non-aligned, not shockingly "rolling back on it"..
It's not incorrect. They have stood by the neutrality aspect under many other conflicts and war. But THIS war has shown Finland, and the rest of us, just how bullish & crazy Putin is and we need to take it seriously. They know he won't back down nor retreat.
But let us not forget that Putin is KGB. He had to have planned out every contingency for win/loss, and most likely has created some new type of warfare that he's confident will take out everyone else if people don't just kneel down to his authority. I don't know if he's just testing the waters or if he is going all out with his plan.
As an American let me say this;
I sleep like a baby at night knowing that, should the U.S. ever be attacked, Finland will come to our aide.
Finland is a modern-day version of Samuel Colt's Peacemaker.
bro you sleep so far away from danger that your biggest threat is Trump taking back his twitter account while the rest of the world is in turmoil
How true should this be?
Me: yes
During this times it is nice to have possibility to mobilize almost cold war era amount of military strength. (War time strength of 280 000 , total reserve of 900 000 ) Good that we have continued with universal conscript system all these years in Finland.
We love SUOMI
the audio isn't lining up for me, anyone else experiencing this?
Noone can play-pretend anymore... Gates of Mordor have opened, orcs are pouring out!
The orcs are on special military operations to liberate Ukraine from elves.🧝
Thanks to ruthless dictator Putin to make NATO great again 👍
It's as their official said: Pootin, you made this happen.....
Welcome Finland 👍
Bravo Finland!
What difference does it make if Russia stations nukes on Finland's borders, they have been able to reach Finland and all of Europe or the Continental United States since they were first built. Moving them a few hundred miles closer don't make that much difference really does it.
Finland and sweeden is already in peace from many years but by applying NATO membership at present situation is wrong creating problem for their own country. Russia is not at all disturbed. once Russia security thretens chances are high may take action on both countries best solution is be neutral keep good relationship with west and Russia. This is my advice.u Ukraine issue is different zelensky himself is created problem and country is suffering because of NATO joining.
use intelligence and be safe don't trust anyone at present
Russia knows damn well nukes is only on the table for Finland because Finland would mop Russia conventionally
Thank you Mr Putin, if there is any justice in the world you'll win the Charlemagne Prize.
I thought, it was call the Darwin price but I may be wrong 😅😊
Is just special military alliance
I do agree with their (Finland and Swedish) decision to join Nato. It can only benefit them to get more defend strength, nothing to lose if they join except now they will spend 2% budget and send troop to exercise with other Nato members annually (it duty call 😁). In return they will save their country from the Russia ego warmongers.
They have had joint military exercises with NATO for decades. Swedish airplanes are regularly flying with NATO planes gathering informations about Russian military in Ukraine. Finnish artilery matches NATO standards. All that needs to be done is buying some weapons from Americans and upping military budget to 2%. Piece of cake.
Finnish defense spending has been around 5 % of the budget for a while. I don't remember that ever being under 4 %, but that's how it is when you take care of your own defense without allies. Our conscripts and regulars have exercised with NATO countries for years, although that has been more bilateral cooperation than allied duties. Our weaponry is in NATO standards and we use NATO code in comms. So nothing really changes except saying publicly do svidanija to Russia and getting a few more military friends from abroad with obligations to help defend our long border, airspace and archipelago.
'nothing to lose' if Russia really invade them because they r trying to join Nato? guess u didn't watch Ukraine war cities annihilation.
Amazing how Putin's antiquated idea of power has backfired so spectacularly.
Yes do it Fins! Bring the Swedes, and Norwegians along with you too! Nato good partners. I believe the finish special forces and overall emergency preparedness culture is quite vigorous and healthy.
Norway's a founding member of NATO.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 fantastic! Get the Swedes in there too
Putin's absolute failures concerning Ukraine will haunt Russia for decades.
I enjoyed Finland's gold medal win over Russia in hockey at the Beijing Olympics . Finland punches well above their weight ; I wouldn't f**k with them if I were Russia ! Blyat !
Finland is now safe from the paper bear. Love from the US. 🇫🇮 🇺🇦 🇺🇸 🇪🇺
Very well spoken former PM
Love this dude...welcome Finland
Finland neutrality was over in the early 90's. Prior to that it was a forced neutrality by the soviets.
Go Finland, Go!
You gotta give it to Russia though. They did in a month what the US and the West couldn't do in decades. That is, to convince Sweden and Finland to join NATO! Hahaha
Well..What did they Join.?.. You Broke Yet?
The Finns are a hardy people with a strong military tradition (with some exceptional marksmanship, and have some of the best light infantry on the planet) tend to be proud of their country and know well the peril that exists to the east of their border. Not to mention that they are a model of western democracy that has stood a test of both fire and time (a century so far, thats pretty good..... how many republics has France had in that time? >_>, the UK has changed its full proper name once or twice in that time too, not to mention the reorganization of the empire into the commonwealth....).
I think Finnish membership in NATO is a good thing for NATO and a good thing for Finland (and northern Europe in general). Two Finns I speak to regularly support it as well, to differing degrees. One likes it, sees NATO membership as a way of keeping Finland Finnish. The other is less enthusiastic, but sees value in it based on pragmatism. He would prefer not needing to do this, but knows it is likely what is needed right now. Both are fully on board with wanting their democracy to continue.
100% agree
The the Turkish president has said that he does not look at it favorably, but if the blocks Finland joining, there will be some other strong alliance formed within EU, be is Pesco or something else. Not only would Finland make Nato stronger, not accepting Finland would make Nato significantly less unified.
Finland won't just have NATO as their allies. They also have Australia, South Korea, New Zealand and Japan (countries that aren't apart of NATO, but are allied with NATO). An attack on those 4 nations would also lead too a NATO response.
A weak response likely further it is from main nato nation less they have means.
@@marczhu7473 Well all 4 of those nations have the means too help NATO. Australia has even been threatened by Russia should they help NATO in a conflict lol, so he knows they have the means too reach Europe.
Would it work both ways? I'm not too confident that Europeans would support a country like South Korea or even Japan anywhere near as enthusiastically as they are supporting Ukraine. I fear that the burden would fall on the United States with significant assistance from the UK and Australia and perhaps Canada. European help with Taiwan would be even less forthcoming. I wish a committed "league of democracies' would supersede NATO, but I don't think that will happen. Twenty years after this war ends, I would expect many European citizens to return to security complacency, praising Russia and China, and blaming the US for all of the world's problems.
@@barnabasastrofengia5345 Putin is causing the very thing he wants too prevent. A world united against a common threat.
@@tayler2396 "...and blaming the US for all of the world's problems." So true. I've been hearing this for 30 years from all of my in-laws in Europe. But not so much recently. Hmmm....
your audio is a bit off.
God Bless Finland ♥Good Move😊
Vladimir Putin. Strategic "genius". lol!
Most of finns have always realized that Russia is a threat. According to a saying: a rusky is a rysky even If fried in butter. We sucked that awareness already in mother’s milk. That’s why Finland has maintained a strong military but now we think we might need help and support from NATO. Russia has shown it’s ruthlessness to her neighbors.
Me as finnish army servile during wartime im reliefed that if war ever brokes out between ru and fi, it cant ever be masked "small cosmic operation at russia borders" like kreml wants world and their own people see this stuff what they do. Also being in nato gives higher chance succesfully defend and push back against ru if ever comes. Hopefully there will be no war anywhere and this nonsense ukraine war ends too.
Can't wait to see Finland under Russian Empire, unfortunately no one wants contaminated land specially swamp territory
Love to see more Alexander Stubb. He is such an interesting person to get a perspective from. His YT miniseries is one of the best if you want to learn more about the geopolitical situation surrounding the Ukraine war.
when your plan backfires against you .....
Good, they need some more Canon Fodder. Greater fools following lesser fools!
The right decision
This time, everyone will have Finland's back against Russian aggression. Unlike that time in 1939.
Makes sense... Russia is too unpredictable.. they will invade one fine day surrounding fin saying weather in helsenki is bad and threat to Moscow
finally my depressive friends ! Took you only 65 years......😂
We are both depressive AND slow 😂😂
We are depressed but also voted as the happiest country on earth for xx years now. I would say we are above all calm, collected and satisfied.😅
The fear of fighting alone is the beginning of NATO wisdom
Yes, especially for smaller members.
It’s great to have such a strong ally join nato, Putin must be furious right now.
Simo Hayaa would be proud!
Russia should join Nato
Then nato would not exist
Nato is defensive organization
Putin or Russian people should know that Scandinavia countries are very peaceful nations, never threat to others
Putin made.misyake by invading Ukraine
Finns look like ABBA 🤣. Glad to see the Finns and the Swedes (the real ABBA country) considering joining NATO. They are top notch warriors with a long history of being a tough bunch. They are an asset to the Alliance.
I like Mr. Stubb; I really do. I have heard him speak a couple of times and he does get on with common sense, and knowledge of his subjects; why not? He was a prime minister.
Let's see how NATO would "win" a nuclear war
This is awesome, welcome in Finland! :)
What’s next? A celebration at the USA’s scaremongering headquarters. This is such a win in a proxy war.
Audio is out of sync...
Still, good News !
Stalin demanded what the Finns were discussing immediately after he threatened them with war in 1939. The reply was beautiful: "We're trying to figure out where to bury all the Russian bodies." Love the Finns. ❤
Where did you hear this anecdote. It has the whiff of apocrypha.
SISU!!!!
Simo Häyhä Unlocked
Bruh, the confidence of this man 😆
Finland has be a close NATO partner for many years, and has participated in conflicts alongside NATO troops. So actually joining NATO isn't a huge step for them.
Going from De facto to De jure.