Sensible Secondhand Reviews (ULEZ Non-Compliance Edition): 2010 Peugeot 407 Coupé 3.0 HDI V6 Sport
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Welcome to Sensible Secondhand Reviews (ULEZ Non-Compliance Edition), the series where we take a sensible secondhand car worth between £1000 and £5000 and put it through its paces in a very straightforward manner! This time we have a 2010 Peugeot 407 Coupé 3.0 HDI V6 Sport, which probably doesn't merit the wearing of the corduroy jacket, as it is powered by the forbidden fuel and develops over 300 bhp, but, since we are here...
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The boot release button in the ‘0’ did it for me.. “I’m in!”
I am ever so sorry, but once again the RUclips algorithm seems to have hidden your comment for the last two years, so please accept my apologies for being slow to respond!
@@lloydvehicleconsulting yes it’s a bit strange isn’t it!
These cars are VERY underrated. I've got a 2.0 HDi 407 Coupe, what amazes me is the engineering that goes into it. Double wishbone suspension at the front, multi-link at the rear. All aluminium subframes with suspension arms in aluminium, front AND rear. Now that is VERY rare, only the top end supercars get this suspension system... and the next Porsche 911 GT3 will be on double wishbone... which gives you an indication of importance. Did anyone know the bonnet itself is aluminium? All that is done to reduce weight and aluminium is NOT cheap, hence why the BMW/Merc/Audi's still use steel. Brakes at the front are twin piston callipers with offset piston diameters on 330mm brake discs. The damper/springs are inclined into the subframe which increases comfort yet gives you great handling. Cruise control is calibrated (i.e 70mph is a true 70mph). Powersteering on the non V6 models are electro-hydraulic - again, this is rare, only on the high-end AMG mercs and supercars, whereas most cars on the road are electric because it's cheaper and has a more dulled feel. It had the highest torsional stiffness of any PSA product and maxxed out the frontal crash test at EuroNCAP for that reason. HVAC system is dual zone which also allows vent control between driver and passenger... which again is very rare. There's a sunshine sensor and a pollution sensor which is used for optimal comfort and of course, a 1500w electric heater for instant heat in the cold mornings. As peugeot never designed it to have a RWD/4WD system, the cabin has more room. The greatest shame is that Pug never dropped in the 2.2HDi with twin turbo's into it... that would be the perfect engine for power, economy and handling - and most likely why this car was never that popular. The 2.0 HDi is a bit lethargic, the 2.7HDi were too expensive and the 2.2 petrol never offered the economy for company car drivers.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video! It was a very special and rare car, the level of engineering Peugeot put into what was very much a shrinking market sector at the time was ridiculous. It certainly wasn't that popular in the end, was it?
And the v6 petrol, which i have is just stupid quick in 3rd gear and 23 mpg 😢
I know its "Forbidden Fuel" but...it's got a lot more character than the plethora of SUVs and Crossovers today. Great review.
We aim to please, sir! Once again, I hope that you enjoyed your exclusive preview.
The shape of the driver's seat is quite possibly the reason that Justin prefers to use this car. A very rare and striking coupe with a very strong engine.
Ford achieved the same feat with the Ford Cougar which had love it or hate it looks. It was certainly striking and well appointed with a strong V6 which drove well. Ford also had the advantage of the name from the late 1960s Mercury Cougar coupe to add appeal just like the 406 Coupe had the Pininfarina styling to add appeal. Maybe Pininfarina would have done a great 407 Coupe. The Renault Laguna Coupe was drop dead gorgeous but, strangely, very rare.
The masterstroke with the 407 Coupe is of course the V6 HDI. I would drive it at every opportunity also.
Final comment I am catching up, sir, I think I need to say no more about this one.
I get the impression that many people seem to dislike the 407 for some reason. As I've never owned or even driven one myself I can neither confirm or challenge that opinion but this coupe is surely rare and powerful enough to be of some interest. The interior does look a tad dreary however.
Yes, I think the 407 was not very received when it was launched, probably because of that front end. Mind you, this one drove really well, it should do with all that power! Justin does have a leather dashboard to go in the car at some point which would brighten the interior up a bit.
@Bercilak de hautdesert , I did just look it up, and you are quite right, the platform is similar to a C6 for these. The 2.2 was great in the 406 Coupé, that's for sure. You can probably still buy the four cylinder versions for the lower end of Sensible Secondhand Reviews money. Thank you ever so much indeed for watching and commenting!
@@lloydvehicleconsulting would you personally recommend a 407 (petrol) and what engine capacity ?
@@timiYES , it's a very difficult question... Most 407s are quite low in value now and have not been looked after like this one, so will probably have numerous issues. It's probably going to depend entirely on the condition and provenance.
@@lloydvehicleconsulting I have access to pristine ones here in Nigeria and their prices are fair compared to Japanese cars. I just don't know if I should take the risk because of reliability in electronics and transmission
Had a 407 SW for 6 years. Great car, wrong fuel, plagued by pollution alarm. Although it always ran perfectly.
I am afraid the good old algorithm has once again buried your comment for over two years...
A friend of mine really likes these having owned four to what I know of. Most were the 2.7 HDI but his current one is a 3.0 HDI.
Yes, very rare cars, although Justin has a few of them! The amount of power and torque these 3.0 litre engines produce is absolutely ridiculous, although they aren't difficult to drive at all. More from Justin to come next week!
What a glorious vehicle! There is much to like about this Peugeot 407, and, of course, we do NOT talk about the forbidden fuel vehicles!
I would consider this more of a GT than a sports coupé, and I believe that is what you want this 407 for.
Another excellent review Joseph!
We do not talk about them indeed, sir.
Thank you for featuring my 407, I think after the 406 it’s a totally different design language, but as a daily car it’s unbelievably good. 307 bhp, 550 lb ft of torque and 165 mph with 50 plus mpg what’s not to like. I sold my Range Rover sport to get this and it’s head and shoulders above that for comfort, performance and refinement. Oh did I mention it has double glazed windows too?!
Was this just a Map on top of the standard power to achieve your figures? :)
@@mattfaza yes it was. As well as much increase torque and power the general driving was improved greatly. I have 3 of these 3.0 hdi coupes and the difference between the 2 that are mapped and the one that is not is very noticeable.
@@TheKenjoje not at all it helps with the car being heavy, it puts the power down really easily and doesn’t torque steer or light the traction control light.
I am afraid the good old algorithm has once again buried your comment for over two years...
have you drove a v6 petrol in manual?? and does it drive better than the auto?
Great looking car, not as pretty as the 406 but still a pretty looking car. A great GT car to cruise about in.
It was extremely effortless, an awful lot of torque and a very comfortable car for long journeys. The design language is completely different from the 406, which I know is a car many of us love very much.
One of the most beautiful coupes ever made
I filmed a 406 before the 407, which I think does look a lot better, although this is reasonably interesting too...
@@lloydvehicleconsulting I don't like the way the back of the 406 coupe looks. In my opinion 407 coupe is one of the most beautiful coupes ever. My cousin had one in silver and everyone was looking at it
@@pap_chr5063 , whichever one is better, sadly Peugeot don't make cars like this any more.
@@lloydvehicleconsulting what????? Peugeot is a premium brand since 2017.They make really beautiful cars, with amazing interiors and well built. Their cars sell like fire and win so many awards
@@pap_chr5063 , I am not talking about the quality of their cars (that is a separate conversation entirely), I am talking about the fact that they don't make two door coupés any more!
Car is in great condition, I like it, silver colour suits the car,excellent video sir.
Thank you very much indeed, sir! Yes, one of the last made, we believe owned by Peugeot UK has a management/fleet car originally. They did choose a good colour. Pleased you enjoyed the video!
Excellent MR Lloyd I've really enjoyed the mix of vehicles lately. Not as pretty or as well sculpted as the previous generation Coupè. Peugeot was heading into it's dark period around then, nevertheless quite an interesting car and a rare sight all the same.
Yes, Justin was very keen for me to come back after having done the 406 Coupé and sample some more of his collection. Sadly, all 407 Coupés after 2007, in this country at least, had forbidden fuel engines, hence the ULEZ Non-Compliance Edition label. It is, however, a rare and powerful car that I think is quite interesting, so I am glad you enjoyed it.
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I know deep down you like the pros of forbidden fuel cars, however I do understand as to why you have made a conscious decision not to endorse them so much.
I am afraid, sir, that you are wrong. These forbidden fuel engined cars serve as a warning, not an endorsement. Anyway, why am I talking about them, I shouldn't be doing that on this channel!
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Haha loose lips MR Lloyd....
This is why we have the ULEZ Non-Compliance Edition and Accidental HubNut Rip-Off Edition labels for No Budget Reviews and Sensible Secondhand Reviews in order to cover over the occasional indiscretion, sir...
An interesting pug, character and an interesting proposition.
With all that power, it certainly is an interesting proposition, sir!
That hidden boot release is wonderful. It's like finding a secret door in a wood panelled room, Enid Blyton style.
I liked that the French made interesting large coupe versions of their family wagons. Question is, who wore it better? The Laguna or the 407?
Oh sir, we can't really answer the question until we manage to get hold of a Laguna Coupé, can we? We do like the hidden release, don't we!
Just brought a 2.2 in nearly mint condition to use as my new daily. Paid 3000€ and Im super happy with it even if its not a fast car 😀
That sounds very reasonable indeed! These were not common cars in the first place, and they are certainly quite rare now.
Have you still got it?
@@lameduck3630 sold it of just before winter sadly as Im saving up for a big trip. Had the time to drive 30 000 km in it tho and thinking on trying a Diesel version when I get back home 😃
300 horsepower? At last, a Millennial road Pug that's got grunt! What's it like to park with the Dr Seuss nose? Weird thing is that it grows on you! I would like a 1/43 model of this if one was released. Pretty interior.
Yes, the interior isn't too bad, actually! I am sure that models of these exist somewhere.
The English countryside looks beautiful in that sunny weather.
I did not know that Jaguar ever used a French engine :-(.
It's actually a Ford engine! Ford owned Jaguar and Land Rover until 2008 and they were in partnership with PSA at the time for some of their engines, hence this 3.0 found its way into all sorts of British, French and even some American cars, I think. Justin does live in rather a photogenic area.
Peugeot can design a good coupe and the 406/407 coupe when released was no exception. I dont think that this car and the renault laguna coupe sold in huge number though in this country.
That is right, sir! We may have yet another car from Justin coming up next week. Neither the 407 Coupé or the Laguna Coupé sold many in this country, you are right.
Another great French car review! What's with the front end? Were they trying to recreate the BX4TC? 🤣 Had the designer been watching a doco on Pangolins? 🤣😭😂
Peugeot were really into this design of front end at the time. I don't really know why... Justin loves this car, though!
@@lloydvehicleconsulting Yes it is almost a modern classic! I have yet to see a coupe in New Zealand but I did see a forbidden fuel wagon version recently! Very large and practical looking, even if the front end looked strange.
Lovely car, we've been looking at these for a long time. Tax is just unjustifiable though😔 3.0 D are really rare, much less on tax than the 2.7 D
Yes, they didn't import many of the 3.0 HDis at all, and subsequently there are almost none left. The tax rate and the fact that it isn't Ultra Low Emission Zone compliant is a bit a downside, though...
Elliot if you are looking for one I have 3 of these 3.0 hdi in my collection, including the one in the video above, much less on tax than the 2.7 and a much better engine altogether.
@@lloydvehicleconsulting I would love to see a comparison with the Laguna Coupe, another obscure French luxury bargain and lovely 3.5 V6 power!
@@frenchbred2081 I'm not too sure at the moment, thanks for the offer however. We have the Crossfire as featured at the moment though something more practical such as a 407 is definitely an option for a future replacement. I'm also really compelled by the 607 and Laguna Coupe.
@@elliotroles7502 no problem, let me know I have a stunning red one I would let go. I have also driven the Laguna coupe and the 607 and the 407 is streets ahead as far as performance, comfort and refinement is concerned. The 3.0 hdi is also incredibly rare with only 43 of the original 51 uk cars remaining. I have a few 406 coupe v6’s too one of which was featured in a video on this channel, they are more pretty as a car but the 407 is so much newer and a better all round car.
Had a 2.7, great on many ways but yes maintainence is punchy. Over a grand for cambelt
Yes, I have heard that the cambelts on the 2.7 and 3.0 HDis are almost as difficult to do as on an Alfa Romeo Busso engine! Thank you ever so much indeed for watching and commenting.
The parts themselves aren't that expensive (that's relative). I paid 250 euros for top quality kit (cambelt, injection belt, water pump and bearings). Just have to find someone to mount the kit. Peugeot asks 900 just for the parts (+ 900 for work).
@@marcapouli7805 yes, i got everything done for about £1500 which on a car worth £3K is a hefty chunk!
Hehe as normal I am few videos behind but looking at the in viewed ones after this, they all are of ‘that’ fuel. I think the views are conspiring against you. 😁
This is the best looking 407 but it still looks a bit ungainly. The 407 styling was a bit of a shock after the 406 which looked good in all versions.
But a 300hp diesel makes up for a lot.
I am afraid the good old algorithm has once again buried your comment for over two years...
What a travesty the US can't have diesel cars. So many people missed out on a large number of great cars.The term "great" is an objective term but to have a car that can drive as far as you can in any given day,with little or no fatigue with a fuel bill that most Americans can't conceive of verges "greatness" in my book.To so many drivers it's described as "Gee,I wish I still had that car".........
The market for them in this country has pretty much dried up for them now as well.
I had a 2008 2.7 hdi lovely looking car and drove lovely
BUT
It cost a Fortune to run, drunk diesel like it was going out of fashion
maintenance was stupidly expensive.
Random warning lights would come on at any given time and in the end I tried to sell it and nobody would buy it, I would have more success selling snow to Eskimos than selling a Peugeot 407.
In the end I had accident and the insurance company paid out with a wrote off the only way I could get rid of it
and last thing the road tax was £480 a year
These cars look good drive okay when they want to
but in the end it’s like a nice looking meat pie That’s full of dog meat
The 407s are disappearing quite quickly now, aren't they? Filming this was a bit of a departure for the channel, and they are exceeding rare in Coupé form now. If I am honest, I preferred Justin's 406 Coupé (as linked in the description below) to this one.
Another diesel Joseph
If you don't like it, don't watch it, sir... I don't think that you are going to enjoy the Accidental HubNut Rip-Off Editions of No Budget Reviews coming up in that case.
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What's your equivalent of the Triangle of Doom and Tea shelf.
We don't have one, sir...
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I know poverty spec and a plethora of blank switches doesn't please you.
Absolutely, sir, but for the two episodes of No Budget Reviews: Accidental HubNut Rip-Off Edition I am required to lay aside all my usual preferences and prejudices and enter into the mindset of Mr Ian Seabrook!
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, *NOT, NOT, NOT ... Peuge-NOT.*
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I take it that you didn't enjoy the video, then?
@@lloydvehicleconsulting .
. A great video; my disappointment is for Peugeot.
. Thanks.
@@lopezben3023 , well, we have another of Justin's Peugeots coming up on the channel next week, so perhaps that one wouldn't exactly be your favourite car either!
@@lopezben3023 have you driven one? Now I have various cars including the Ferrari. you see on my channel and this 407. It’s is up there with some of the best cars I have driven and I have driven some serious cars in my time. La Ferrari, f12 Tdf, 488 pista, Lamborghini balboni, m4, r8 v10, Ferrari f50, all of the best hot hatches, wrc cars etc
@@frenchbred2081 He posts this on practically every Peugeot video on RUclips.