When Ron Greenwood banned Jimmy Greaves and Bobby Moore

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  • Bobby Moore tribute: When England's World Cup winning skipper Bobby Moore passed away in 1993, his friend and teammate Jimmy Greaves gave us an exclusive interview.
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  • @nicholasbeech932
    @nicholasbeech932 2 года назад +8

    It was criminal how Bobby Moore was treated by the FA in his lifetime - shame on them ! Jimmy nailed it

  • @JR-on6rh
    @JR-on6rh 9 месяцев назад +3

    Legend. Also remember Bobby Moore jogging past me at the bus stop as a kid and i was gobsmacked!!!! He winked and run on, legend!!!

  • @gordoncampbell100
    @gordoncampbell100 3 года назад +69

    Greavsie and Bobby Moore , 2 of the most class acts to EVER wear an England jersey .Thats from a Scottish dude .

    • @pbysome
      @pbysome 3 года назад +7

      Truth is truth no matter were you hail from.

  • @oscoe
    @oscoe Год назад +7

    I was lucky enough to spend an afternoon with Geoff Hurst a few years ago and he said Jimmy Greaves was very magnanimous to him and always very friendly after the World Cup. Great credit to Jimmy Greaves, who was an amazing player and for all of us who grew up watching Saint and Greavsie such a great fun face of football. RIP Jimmy. Missed by many.

  • @tomang71
    @tomang71 3 года назад +64

    I could listen to Mr Greaves for hours...class act on and off the pitch.

  • @tsitsi3705
    @tsitsi3705 2 года назад +42

    RIP Greavsie. Eloquent and classy on and off the field.

  • @chancesareshewears
    @chancesareshewears 2 года назад +16

    Greaves is quite intellectual and so insightful. A diamond.

  • @adambaker8689
    @adambaker8689 3 года назад +19

    Could listen to Jimmy Greaves' anecdotes for hours

  • @danielmosias6280
    @danielmosias6280 3 года назад +50

    Jimmy Saville was given a knighthood but Bobby Moore wasn't. It obviously depends who you know in high places 🤔

  • @Michael-qv3hp
    @Michael-qv3hp 2 года назад +13

    RIP Jim from a Liverpool fan YNWA

  • @Kenside2603
    @Kenside2603 Год назад +3

    Fantastic player and West Ham/England captain. We all look you to you sir Bobby.👍

  • @stevegordon2032
    @stevegordon2032 3 года назад +52

    Fabulous words about a great player from a great player.

    • @melancholiac
      @melancholiac 11 месяцев назад +1

      Not just world class players but men for all seasons.

  • @CaWFly
    @CaWFly 2 года назад +16

    He always tells it like it is , no BS from Jimmy , my all time favorite

  • @MrAndroidData
    @MrAndroidData 2 года назад +19

    a legend talking about fellow legend, nothing more but perfection, god bless them both

  • @cuttlerfish
    @cuttlerfish 2 года назад +13

    A honour to see Bobby play, and what a super talk by a fantastic chap in Jimmy

  • @martinosborne2842
    @martinosborne2842 2 года назад +11

    One absolute legend talking about another absolute legend, R.I.P. both you guys we are blessed to have had you both!!!!

  • @kevinprior3549
    @kevinprior3549 2 года назад +7

    Jimmy and Bobby can talk again for hours now in heaven.

  • @Britishrailer
    @Britishrailer Год назад +3

    What a GREAT man. God rest his soul.

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  Год назад

      Jimmy Greaves was such a great guy on and off the pitch. And Mooro was too. Both icons from a golden era.

  • @grahamewilliams318
    @grahamewilliams318 3 года назад +33

    More articulate and intelligent thzn everyone of the so called pundits today.

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +1

      Here here 👏🏻

    • @michaelfeeney8437
      @michaelfeeney8437 3 года назад +4

      Today’s punditry is rubbish in comparison. Poor analysts. Inarticulate ex players with limited vocabulary.

    • @dlamiss
      @dlamiss 2 года назад

      Yes he was very good when he was being serious. Sometimes he overplayed the joker on tv

  • @gongfarmer201
    @gongfarmer201 2 года назад +7

    Brilliant stuff RIP Greavsie

  • @josephlyons6637
    @josephlyons6637 2 года назад +16

    I have had the pleasure to have watched live Pele, maradona, George Best, Dennis law many more. Jimmy Greaves was with out doubt the greatest goal scorer spurs or England have had. His records speak for themselves!!

  • @chrisbendelack9901
    @chrisbendelack9901 3 года назад +39

    Greavie CLASS moore CLASS brian moore CLASS

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +4

      Golden days of football

    • @mikewa2
      @mikewa2 3 года назад +3

      This is how to interview- let the man talk, don't interrupt, have respect

    • @chrisbendelack9901
      @chrisbendelack9901 3 года назад +1

      @@mikewa2 ..👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 yes please note WISE WORDS.

  • @lestorhaslam
    @lestorhaslam 3 года назад +20

    Bobby Moore was Kipling’s “If” personified. The Great Greavsie too.

  • @adrianmaxwell7483
    @adrianmaxwell7483 2 года назад +4

    I never really watched Saint and Greavies, only now becoming aware of what an amazing raconteur he was, about life, football and everything. I could listen to him for hours and he is so right, in this country we have the unpleasant and churlish trait of toppling and quickly forgetting heroes during their lifetime. The passing of this giant of a man puts the sad state of England (UK) at this time into sharp relief.

  • @cliffrightmove1527
    @cliffrightmove1527 3 года назад +14

    A great GREAT man 👍😉love him x

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +2

      So many fans adore this guy. He should have been knighted.

    • @cliffrightmove1527
      @cliffrightmove1527 3 года назад +1

      @@VISIONSPORTTV when you have prat’s like Mandelson in the House of Lords it’s time for the country to vote 😡😡😡😡😡

  • @kznjonno602
    @kznjonno602 3 года назад +14

    My boyhood hero! God Bless you Jim.

  • @justme-hh4vp
    @justme-hh4vp 2 года назад +5

    I've always found it sad that people are lauded in death after being ignored or even vilified in life

  • @hodderpaul
    @hodderpaul 3 года назад +14

    I must have been 7-10 years old. Saw Bobby playing for Fulham at Cardiff City. Actually went to see George Best but he didn't turn up.

  • @mcharrisment4765
    @mcharrisment4765 2 года назад +7

    Jimmy Greaves talking sense

  • @dode5064
    @dode5064 3 года назад +11

    Two fabulous players and fabulous characters.
    Greavsie my hero

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +2

      Greavsie was such a lovely man and an iconic footballer. They both were. Greavsie is still with us of course, but sadly his health is in really poor shape.

  • @owenbutcher1954
    @owenbutcher1954 2 года назад +3

    Jimmy Greaves 🙏✝️, RESPECT

  • @alexanderbrookes9331
    @alexanderbrookes9331 3 года назад +6

    Fantastic comments about a very good player. A legend forever.

  • @mikesmith1485
    @mikesmith1485 2 месяца назад +1

    RIP, Jim. The greatest goalscorer of them all. 2nd place is a dot on the horizon. Bobby Moore was superhuman.

  • @stephenwilliams8128
    @stephenwilliams8128 Год назад +2

    I love listening to these old players/legends
    There’s never an ego or vanity with them, just brilliant footballers that played every game like it’s their last
    Football today lacks this massively

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  Год назад

      Totally agree. Heroes in those days were real men of substance who connected with ordinary people. JG

  • @davidbigley800
    @davidbigley800 3 года назад +15

    Really, really good to see Greavsie looking so good! One of the best goal scorers I have ever seen, and a cracking geezer! God bless him!

    • @MrGranfield
      @MrGranfield 3 года назад +2

      This interview was from 1993. Sadly Jimmy had a stroke in 2015 and suffered paralysis and uses a wheelchair.

    • @mrexpress8002
      @mrexpress8002 2 года назад +2

      @@MrGranfield RIP Greavsie

  • @SirPeter6464
    @SirPeter6464 3 года назад +8

    Jimmy Greaves saw the ball go in the net from this boot or head than any European ever. Yes. Ever.

  • @michaelfeeney8437
    @michaelfeeney8437 3 года назад +13

    Great interviews with a great guy who is sadly missed on TV. And let’s not forget interviewer Gentleman Brian Moore, also greatly missed.
    I still have the VHS videos of Brian interviewing Greavsie & Cloughie. Great entertainment.

  • @ArmyofLove
    @ArmyofLove 3 года назад +9

    Jimmy has a point. With the amount of sporting success this country has in its history, we could have a museum

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +4

      Powers that be and money men are only interested in the new kid on the block. We’ve failed miserably to protect and look after our heroes.

    • @ArmyofLove
      @ArmyofLove 3 года назад +1

      @@VISIONSPORTTV I'm certain if Eddie hearn was interested enough he could open one

    • @anthonylees9029
      @anthonylees9029 3 года назад +2

      We do have a football museum in Manchester (Urbis ) . Not been to that one but went 3x when it was in Preston .It was an enjoyable few hours about the FA and the Football League , and England in particular . It was transferred to Manchester in 2010 .

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +2

      The only player with a dedicated museum in England is Duncan Edwards in Dudley. I'm proud to be on the board of the Duncan Edwards Museum which is managed and created by my good friend Rose Cook Monk

  • @lawrencejhutchinson
    @lawrencejhutchinson Год назад +3

    Shameful that Ron Greenwood never said Well done! to Bobby Moore after a game, and the fact that Bobby Moore had to pay to watch matches at Upton Park after he retired! He will always be my football hero! 30th anniversary of his death on February 24th!

  • @ferraridinoman
    @ferraridinoman 3 года назад +7

    Comes across as a really nice Guy xx

  • @u414336
    @u414336 2 года назад +2

    Agree with Jim, we do not use our great sports people after they have retired enough, Jim, Bobby and a whole lot more could be utilised in to making this great United Kingdom of ours a lot better than we are now.

  • @fulham1958
    @fulham1958 3 года назад +4

    Moore's tackle on Peter Lorimer when Scotland tried to kick us off the park at Wembley, might count as losing his temper. It worked.

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +2

      Football used to be a contact sport

    • @lewisgreen2957
      @lewisgreen2957 2 года назад +2

      Ferocious tackle but that wasn’t uncommon from Moore. Dad regularly went to Upton Park from the late 50’s to the 80’s and said Bobby could regularly put it about when warranted. There was a lot more off the ball incidents back then..

  • @stupot1952
    @stupot1952 3 года назад +11

    to great players who will never be replaced i can see jimmy and moore going down on there knees today i know they would have stuck two fingers up at the stupid craze

  • @scrumper10
    @scrumper10 2 года назад +2

    Greaves and Moore mutual respect after memorable careers. Everyone else is on their shoulders.

  • @jerryoshea3116
    @jerryoshea3116 3 года назад +7

    I think it was in the 80's when he had that Sat show with Ian St John and it was a "Breath of fresh air"back then,nowadays it would be like scaling the Swiss Alps,the Punditry is so contrived and bland.
    .But Jimmy always came a cross as a decent,"down to earth"intelligent human being, who just so happened to be the greatest goal scorer to come out of England.
    .And I do hope Spurs has coughed up plenty of cash for him,in his present difficulties .If those players at the moment had a "Whip round"after a game,they could easily "drum up" 50 grand between them..Because it was the likes of Jimmy,Bobby moore and George Best that caught the eye and made the game we see today.

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +1

      Great comments my friend. The PFA collects millions and should do more to help out our heroes in later life.

    • @bolton3131
      @bolton3131 3 года назад

      Jerry spot on he was absolutely brilliant, watched him when first went to spurs

    • @jerryoshea3116
      @jerryoshea3116 3 года назад

      @@VISIONSPORTTV Yes indeed..All of those Legends from yrs gone by paved the way for today's Stars..And absolutely correct about the PFA..And the risk of repeating myself again..All those players would have to do is sell some of their "Bling" and it would make a big difference..

    • @jerryoshea3116
      @jerryoshea3116 3 года назад

      @@bolton3131 Ur were extremely lucky.👍

  • @pbysome
    @pbysome 3 года назад +13

    I lived a short distance from Upton park close to the spotted dog and regularly saw west ham players going for lunch, Bobby always had time for a little urchin calling him by his Christian name, I adored him.

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +3

      Such a down to earth super star 🌟

    • @jameslawson7791
      @jameslawson7791 Год назад +1

      My mum lived off green st in walton road oppisite upton park

  • @janettemohan7739
    @janettemohan7739 Год назад +2

    7:07 - Correct, and I would go as far to say that that the UK has difficulty in giving sport in general the recognition it deserves. Look at the number of movies, past and present, from the USA - of whatever genre - that use (gridiron) football, baseball, basketball or ice hockey as a major feature of the plot. The only internationally critically-acclaimed film in Britain featuring sport has been "This Sporting Life" (Rugby League).
    Ah, what about "Escape to Victory"? Er, yes - what about it? Apart from Laurie Sivell's Oscar nomination, I mean? 🙂

  • @hodderpaul
    @hodderpaul 3 года назад +3

    Went to see George Best and Bobby Moore when they were playing for Fulham at Cardiff City in 1977. Best didn't turn up

  • @steviemac42
    @steviemac42 Год назад

    Wonderful interview.

  • @pugmahone9439
    @pugmahone9439 2 года назад

    Great interview from one of my boyhood heroes, the late great Jimmy Greaves 🙏

  • @davidbrooks187
    @davidbrooks187 2 года назад +2

    The English FA have got a lot to answer for.

  • @roberthayes9842
    @roberthayes9842 2 года назад +1

    It's the class system, they only wanted upper class heroes back then, shame because Bobby was truly a great man, from Barking to the world cup and then sadly forgotten, not by me tho, my hero

  • @daveboon5992
    @daveboon5992 2 года назад +3

    Bobby’s connections meant he would never be accepted by the authorities ☹️☹️☹️☹️

  • @robertlangley1664
    @robertlangley1664 Год назад

    There have been three deaths in football that have affected me Bobby Moore , Jimmy greaves and being a Watford supporter graham Taylor. Bobby Moore being the England captain in 66 and Jimmy greaves my boyhood hero and the late great Graham Taylor for what he done for my club he made us feel proud to be a Watford supporters

    • @oscoe
      @oscoe Год назад +1

      Sir Bobby Robson. RIP

  • @antonyhobbs1144
    @antonyhobbs1144 2 года назад +1

    Franz Beckenbauer (Der Kaiser)
    Bobby Moore
    (The King)

  • @wonjubhoy
    @wonjubhoy 2 года назад +2

    Greavsie rip.

  • @jeffleake1960
    @jeffleake1960 Год назад +2

    The captain of a world cup winning side and he never got a knighthood is disgraceful

  • @ysgol3
    @ysgol3 3 года назад +3

    Jim, the reason Bobby and others weren't used properly in the game is simple - JEALOUSY.
    The mediocre suits somehow in influential positions would soon have been exposed for what they were - so they stopped it happening !
    Bit better now I think.

  • @padraigmcgrath3876
    @padraigmcgrath3876 2 года назад +1

    Beckenbauer is the greatest sweeper in the history of the game, and Bobby Moore us very high up the list, but the greatest pure defender of all time is Jose Santamaria - "the wall." He played as a central defender for most of his career, but was moved to left full-back for one match very late in his career, because he was still Real Madrid's best defender at age 37, and they needed him to do a man-marking job on George Best. Best said that this 37 year-old version of Santamaria, playing out of position and practically playing with the aid of a Zimmer-frame, was still the best defender he had ever played against. Santamaria gave Best absolutely nothing for the whole match.

  • @bobhammond9228
    @bobhammond9228 Год назад

    Honestly ❤

  • @partickdurrant6803
    @partickdurrant6803 Год назад +1

    Englands best ever center forward ever👍👍

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  Год назад +1

      No better finisher. Greavsie was just sensational

    • @partickdurrant6803
      @partickdurrant6803 Год назад

      @@VISIONSPORTTV simply the best of all time 👍👍

  • @jimmyandtheresurrection7247
    @jimmyandtheresurrection7247 2 года назад

    Pele,maradona,cruyff, becknbaur and moore. The greatest ever in that order

  • @ThePierre58
    @ThePierre58 2 года назад +1

    Wise words. David Beckham was badly treated in UK. George Best, a few others i can't think of right now.

  • @thomaspollock5709
    @thomaspollock5709 2 года назад +2

    None English player has met Irishman standard George best

    • @Baz-Ten
      @Baz-Ten 2 года назад

      best forward! but he would never have got past Harry Maguire

  • @brianevans2819
    @brianevans2819 10 месяцев назад

    Shankly said to Kevin Keegan after playing West Ham, you will never player against a greater player, Kevin’s knees were knocking before the game, Shanks said to Kevin before the game, I just seen Bobby getting off the coach and he is limping, he’s been on the tiles all night again and he’s got terrible dandruff typical Shanks.
    Pele said Bobby Moore was the best defender he ever played against, I rest my case Franz.

  • @mikeellis6077
    @mikeellis6077 Год назад

    If the two greatest defenders were Bobby Moore and Frans Beckenbauer than Bobby wins because the Kaiser would cheat to win but just couldn't.

  • @SirPeter6464
    @SirPeter6464 3 года назад +1

    Fact. It was the third round of the cup.

  • @jimmyandtheresurrection7247
    @jimmyandtheresurrection7247 2 года назад +1

    Not embarrassed. But very jealous. Thats the english. Regarding great personalities.

  • @dondamon4669
    @dondamon4669 2 года назад

    What is his accent?

  • @ytnsanw
    @ytnsanw Год назад

    Pretty sure that many/most would rate Franco Baresi above either Moore or Beckenbauer as a defender...

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  Год назад

      Maybe if you’re Italian

    • @ytnsanw
      @ytnsanw Год назад

      @@VISIONSPORTTV Or if you know football.....

  • @paudiepower1407
    @paudiepower1407 2 года назад

    Paul McGrath

  • @staceygrove5976
    @staceygrove5976 3 года назад

    Most of the comments here are about Bobby Moore and Jimmy Greaves, understandably so, but could I please mention Brian Dear, who is referred to just after the 5:00 mark in this clip. This guy had an astonishing strike rate at the clubs he played for in the 1962-69 period (West Ham, Brighton, Fulham), scoring more than one goal every two games. I saw him score twice for a relegation doomed Fulham side in a 3-2 defeat at Bolton in 1969. When he rejoined West Ham in 1970, he played just four more games without scoring, and then disappeared from professional football aged just 27. Anyone know what that was all about?

    • @garethrevell5873
      @garethrevell5873 3 года назад

      Dear played his last game for the club on 19 December 1970, wearing the number 9 shirt against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.[2] The following month, he and three West Ham teammates - Bobby Moore, Jimmy Greaves and Clyde Best, along with the club's trainer - were all fined a week's wages and banned for two games by West Ham manager Ron Greenwood after going out drinking in a nightclub until the early hours of the morning prior to an FA Cup third-round tie against Blackpool. "The game was played on an awful pitch and we lost 4-0. Blackpool had a lad called Tony Green, who probably had the game of his life."[4] The directors wanted to sack all five individuals.[4] "I never played very much after that, and at the end of the season I was given a free transfer. I went into non-League with Woodford Town. Jimmy only had another year's contract and he too ended in non-League. Bobby played on, but they never made it easy for him and he moved to Fulham."[4]
      After hanging up his boots and working as a publican for some years, he joined Southend United as catering manager.[2]
      Dear was awarded the Freedom of the City of London in 2001 in recognition of his charity work.[5]
      From Wikipedia mate. 👍

    • @martinosborne2842
      @martinosborne2842 2 года назад

      I've met brian, lovely guy👍👍⚒⚒⚒⚒

  • @mikehopkins4040
    @mikehopkins4040 2 года назад

    We didn't honour our great sports personalities in the past
    now with football, no chance as two thirds of the players are foreigners.

  • @robertbullock4697
    @robertbullock4697 3 года назад

    Is Jimmy still alive? 🤔

    • @littleenglander.5029
      @littleenglander.5029 3 года назад +5

      OMG.
      FFS.
      HE IS IN A WHEEL CHAIR.
      RAVAGED BY ALZHEIMERS.
      A GREAT RACONTEUR.
      WITHOUT QUESTION HE IS ONE OF FOOTBALL'S ALL TIME GREAT STRIKERS.

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +6

      Sadly jimmy is not in great shape. Forgotten by many in the game. But he’ll always be a hero much loved by fans around the world.

    • @jameslawson7791
      @jameslawson7791 2 года назад +2

      NO HE DIED TODAY, SPURS LEGEND

  • @thomaspollock5709
    @thomaspollock5709 2 года назад +2

    As no Irish best beat thes more of Greaves George yet to be match in world

  • @TheTomnom
    @TheTomnom Год назад

    Everything revolves around England...if you are delusional

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  Год назад

      We have a nation of football lovers and we invented the game so it’s not that much of a surprise. But personally I see the bigger picture and for me it’s all about MUFC ✊🏼

  • @MadMax-dr6mf
    @MadMax-dr6mf 3 года назад +5

    I think it's an essential part of "Britishness" to downgrade your attainments. It's all part of the dry sense of humour. "Oh yes, when I was younger we kicked this bit of leather about against these foreigners and we won something or other. Great fuss at the time."

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +2

      Greavsie is everything that’s good about Britishness

  • @thomascarroll9556
    @thomascarroll9556 2 года назад

    Ffs the stayed at the Norbreck (aks Colditz) today’s players wouldn’t even stay in Blackpool!

  • @TheTomnom
    @TheTomnom Год назад

    Seriously? what about Fachetti and Maldini. Fkn sober up Jimmy

  • @braindonor8753
    @braindonor8753 2 года назад +2

    Beckenbauer better than Moore by far.

  • @De-no4yz
    @De-no4yz 3 года назад

    Ķkĺķķķķkķķķ

  • @davidcaledonia5187
    @davidcaledonia5187 2 года назад

    Jimmy never seen George Connolly of Celtic every bit as good as Bobbly Moore and the german, in my opinion george was better than the two of them, he had depression and left the game before his career had even started

    • @johnbarclay5964
      @johnbarclay5964 Год назад

      George was a great player who would have went right to the top, pity regarding his personal circumstances, George and Tony McBride still have great memories of both

  • @MadMax-dr6mf
    @MadMax-dr6mf 3 года назад +5

    Disagree with Jimmy on the greatest two defenders. Defenders don't roll off the tongue like attackers, but there have been much better than Moore and Beckenbauer.

    • @johnnyp4001
      @johnnyp4001 3 года назад +1

      I can't name one Max

    • @pbysome
      @pbysome 3 года назад +1

      Whom?

    • @VISIONSPORTTV
      @VISIONSPORTTV  3 года назад +2

      Absolutely right. Moore would not have lifted the World Cup or got half the caps he did if Duncan Edwards not died I’m the Munich air disaster.

    • @pbysome
      @pbysome 3 года назад +2

      @@VISIONSPORTTV if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

    • @bebmeister656
      @bebmeister656 3 года назад

      Beckenbauer and Moore were liberos and not defenders in the classical destructive sense. Scharzenbeck acted as Beckenbauer's foil in the same way that Jack Charlton did for Moore.