Which is why his statement that Dark Souls isn’t a Souls-like doesn’t work. The genre being named after you doesn’t mean you’re not that genre. That’s like saying Metroid isn’t a Metroidvania or Mario isn’t a platformer. Those are still the genres they are
@@ruxbonwhat he's saying is dark souls can't be a souls like if it's the original souls. Souls like is saying it's like dark souls you can't be like yourself like means similarity but not equality. So dark souls can't be like itself if it's equal to itself. Just like saying an apple is like an apple. It can't be like itself like by definition is having similar characteristics similar meaning resembling without being identical do by definition dark souls can't possibly be a souls like.
@@baseupp12it dont play like Dark Souls...Sekiro and Fallen Order/Jedi survivor should be their own category "Sekiro-like". Anyway Sekiro being made by fromsoft have enough of "Souls soul" to be included in Soulsborn category, but there are some WHO use Soulsbornkiro for group including Sekiro
@@nicktheloser2974 dark/demon souls and elden ring have rhythm game elements. Sekiro, takes that rhythm game element and makes it part of the gameplay loop, hence why its the easist game by fromsoft once you understand that
As someone who's played every game since they launched, demon souls was basically like a test run or the grandfather of the soulsborne genre. Therefore, it is souls like, but not a soulsborne game as it is the originator that didn't get proper recognition till the remake, and the remake is soulsborne. The og is just that, the og souls game and deserves it own title
@@TheMadRabbit0wnzu Ok than why not give it recognition? I mean it created and started the Souls part of the "SoulsBorne" Term. But tbh I don't like the Souls-Like term, I think it's very dumb tbh.
@RED_XLR it deserves to have its own title imo. It's not a souls game other than in name, play the og demon souls game then dks1. The difference is huge, but dks1 clearly took the best of demon souls and refined it, creating something new. Bloodborne was so good on its own it changed souls games to soulsborne. It a fan thing and will continue to change regardless
Honestly Lies of P is the closest to a soulsborne game as it can be without being an actual soulsborne game. It feels so much like Menage-a-trois Lovechild between Pinocchio, Bloodborne, and Sekiro its insane.
A good way to understand it is: souls-like is about gameplay (you roll around, you slash, you heal, maybe cast something, it’s hard, stuff like that), but soulsborne is about game design inherit to fromsoftware and Miyazaki, typical to souls series.
@@greatestflames9199 I mean, it's soulsborne because for all it's differences, Bloodborne is still really similar to Dark Souls, it is closer to sekiro then Dark souls is, but I'd still say there is enough difference for Sekiro to not fit.
@@thomasraymond7912 It’s a rhythm game because compared to popular misconception, sword fighting is a dance with a rhythm, and tempo of its own that is unique to each fighter. To match, and surpass someone you just met, whose style is different from your own, is the mark of a master of this dance. I repeat. Swordfighting, the act of fighting with swords, especially in a setting like Feudal Japan, is a dance.
its because Sekiro is action adventure compared to soulsborne being RPG. you dont pick and choose your level up path in Sekiro. you find and upgrade gear akin to a legend of zelda game. it just has the fromsoft "learn till your good" feeling to it.
@@thomasraymond7912Not at all. Bloodborne is closer to DS than to Sekiro. Sekiro has a clear and stated objective at the beginning of the game, it has an already set character, you have only one main weapon, you don't upgrade stats, instead you have already set skills which you have to unlock (like an Assassin's Creed or God of War). Bloodborne is identical to DS in these aspects. This is why Bloodborne is a soulslike and Sekiro isn't
As someone who loves Dark Souls 2 and even beat it without dying 1 run, yeah it's an above average RPG, if it didn't have "Dark Souls" in the name nobody would ever criticize it like they do, it would be widely considered pretty good like Kingdom's of Amalur, but it was made by the B team that didn't have the same From Soft polish 1,3, BB, S:SDT, and ER does and it shows
@@silasstryder I completely agree with you like my main issue is is that it's dark souls 2 and it's completely fucked if it wasn't a part of the dark souls series it would be an amazing game with a lot less complaints
@@justaguyonyoutube6490 biggest PVP system in all Souls games, more content than any Souls game until Elden Ring, 2 or 3 times more weapon and armor variety than DS1. I played DS2 for a looong time and kept finding new builds to play with. It was a good game, it just wasn't a souls quality game. Especially compared to the other games that came out that same year DS2 was great
@@silasstryder my issues for the game are that the bosses are way too easy but the mobs are super annoying and there are way to many of them you cant walk 2 feet without getting ganked up on by 30 mobs that just spam attacks 24/7 and the walk back to bosses are littered with them you take more dmg from the mobs than the actual bosses also the character movement and camera movement just feels extremely finicky compared to ds1 and the fact that theres no offline mode just makes no sense to me i know theres ways you can go offline on your devices settings but why not just add the option to save people the headache theres alot more problems i have with the game but i cant think of all of them at the moment but i think those are pretty much my main issues with the game
It felt like the players who ALWAYS go single Katana builds and parry everything wanted their own game that didn't have to nerf them so other playstyles could compete just like bloodborne was best for players that focus on fast weapon builds that dodge primarily instead of block or parry that doesn't nerf them against tanky enemies and player builds
@@idk-ft6tl bloodborne literally has two different shields? and also viscerals literally scale off of your skill stat so there definitely Is parry builds in bloodborne
and someone broke your shield and gave you a magical katana to parry with so if you're used to the sword and board playstyle you got a lot of learning to do
Sekiro doesn't play like darksouls whatsoever. In Sekiro you parry and in Darksouls you roll, in Sekiro combat is fast and clean and in darksouls combat is slow and clunky, in Sekiro you invest in a skill tree while in Darksouls you invest in 9 different stats to make your build, in Sekiro combat is parry based while in Darksouls combat is pattern based. Comparing Sekiro and Darksouls is like comparing Armored core and Titanfall
Fun fact, FromSoft made (or at least published) 3D Dot Game Heroes, an obscure PS3 game that most people only know of because it gave us the now iconic song Breakout. This game is a Zelda like with a weird 3D pixel art style.
As an oldschool AC2 fan i can say for certain that Armored Core became soulslike after their Dark Souls success. The franchise changed dramatically between 5 and 6
We create categories to help us manage expectations from things in a category, but too many exceptions and we question if the category is useful at all
Easier way to put it for people to understand: Every burger is a sandwich, but not every sandwich is a burger. In this case, burgers are souls-borne, and sandwiches are souls-likes.
U can explain quicker. Souls-like is a genre term for games not made by from soft, but play similarly to fromsoft games. Soulsborne is a colloquial term used to describe action adventure games made exclusively by fromsoft.
Lies of p was so good i think it deserves an honorary "souls borne" title. That shit was easily on par with ds3 or bloodborne. Especially from a company no one has heard of before. They took the formula, put a fucking sick spin on it, and had amazing combat. Truely, no contest, the best non fromsoft souls like.
I love seeing the magi volumes in the back it just proves my assumptions that no one can complete the series without dealing with scalpers or just buying the box set
Sekiro is completely unique in the Fromsoft lineup. It can’t be compared to any of their other games and in all honesty I can really think of any games that truly feel the way Sekiro does. Any game that comes close has some pretty significant shifts in feel or tightness
Dark Souls is Schrodinger's Souls-Like.
It's like all hotubs are Jacuzzis, but not all Jacuzzis are hotubs.
@@sincerelynotme3522...you make my brain hurt
Is Doom a "doom clone"?
@@GravitarLord ...I'm having stroke after stroke trying to read everything in this sub chat
Wow what a mouth full lol
Take a drink for each time he says "Souls."
24, anything other than oz. Is just death by alcohol poisoning
I like my liver. My liver likes me. It will not like me if I do that.
Attempted murder.
Already passing out
Kidneys have left the chat
Soulsborne: A series
Souls-like: A genre
Which is why his statement that Dark Souls isn’t a Souls-like doesn’t work. The genre being named after you doesn’t mean you’re not that genre. That’s like saying Metroid isn’t a Metroidvania or Mario isn’t a platformer. Those are still the genres they are
@@OctagonalSquareas he said it can't be like dark souls when it is dark souls
@@tumelomotsoeneng6336so it's just... a game, without a genre. got it, amazing
@@ruxbonwhat he's saying is dark souls can't be a souls like if it's the original souls. Souls like is saying it's like dark souls you can't be like yourself like means similarity but not equality. So dark souls can't be like itself if it's equal to itself. Just like saying an apple is like an apple. It can't be like itself like by definition is having similar characteristics similar meaning resembling without being identical do by definition dark souls can't possibly be a souls like.
@@constancehicks5402 What kind of apple we talking about? Honey Crisp, Granny Smith, Golden Delicious?
It’s like everyone forgets that the true original soulsborne game was Demon Souls.
Wish i could play it on pc without having to buy a ps3 or 5
Considering I’ve seen people argue that it isn’t even though it is, I’m not even sure anymore
@@daniellau5859 emulators
And they are missing out
@@ChristopherWaddelowit's my second worst out of all of the major games but still very good
you have an amazing talent for making things sound more complicated than they actually are
Sekiro is the exception, its a soulsborne, but not a souls-like game.
Explain
@@baseupp12its a soulsborne that doesn't play like a soulsborne
@@baseupp12it dont play like Dark Souls...Sekiro and Fallen Order/Jedi survivor should be their own category "Sekiro-like". Anyway Sekiro being made by fromsoft have enough of "Souls soul" to be included in Soulsborn category, but there are some WHO use Soulsbornkiro for group including Sekiro
Sekiro is a tenchu game
Elden ring dlc will make sekiro more soulsborne thsn it was before. I think they are adding the lvl upp experience or somethong
"It's like bloodborne but with Italians instead of British people" truer sentence never spoken 🤣
It's french af not Italian 😂
@@courtzfrancis8104 but Pinocchio is Italian...
@@courtzfrancis8104 Pinocchio, Geppetto, Venigni, Arlecchino, Romeo? Like come on bro😂 It's definitely italian and not french🤌🏼
@@courtzfrancis8104 I don't remember a Pinocchieaux in the game 😂
@@ad_astra468HAHAHAGAGGGGHHGHHGHG Pinnochieaux 😂😂😂 Thanks for that one my day was just improved
Sekiro is a rhythm game in a soulsborne skinsuit.
All of the SoulsBorne games are rhythm games
@@nicktheloser2974 dark/demon souls and elden ring have rhythm game elements.
Sekiro, takes that rhythm game element and makes it part of the gameplay loop, hence why its the easist game by fromsoft once you understand that
Bro has never fought dancer before
@@Rahnonymous that fight is so fun man
@jinji_xo absolutely. But I'd say sekiro is the only one that fully embraces it in full.
i hate that people keep forgetting about Demon's souls, the game that made it all possible.
Same, I love DkS, but it sucks to see DS get swept under the rug as it is.
I understand why, but it makes it no better.
At least people still mention King's Field IG
Demon souls did not make it possible or it would be the demon trilogy
Miyazaki made it possible along with yui
In my heart, Lies of P is the eighth soulsborne game
its like squares and rectangles, but one square doesnt get to be a square
And they all make a circle.
@@jokingbee.2852 but I have one question:
WHY IS THAT ONE GREEEN??!?
@@jokingbee.2852and they all still fit into the square hole
also that one square is demon's souls, not dark souls
@@LordShrek13and that one square that is demon souls, is also a square because the metric that “it cant be like what it already is” is stupid
Technically Dark Souls is a Souls-like, because it’s *like* the original Soulsborne game: Demon’s Souls.
Wouldn't it make all the other games a...Demons Souls-likes?
As someone who's played every game since they launched, demon souls was basically like a test run or the grandfather of the soulsborne genre. Therefore, it is souls like, but not a soulsborne game as it is the originator that didn't get proper recognition till the remake, and the remake is soulsborne. The og is just that, the og souls game and deserves it own title
@@TheMadRabbit0wnzu Ok than why not give it recognition? I mean it created and started the Souls part of the "SoulsBorne" Term. But tbh I don't like the Souls-Like term, I think it's very dumb tbh.
@RED_XLR it deserves to have its own title imo. It's not a souls game other than in name, play the og demon souls game then dks1. The difference is huge, but dks1 clearly took the best of demon souls and refined it, creating something new. Bloodborne was so good on its own it changed souls games to soulsborne. It a fan thing and will continue to change regardless
yes, but as a representative of the entire soulsborne community, we’re not going down that rabbit hole again
For a moment I thought the distinguishing feature that decides it something is a Soulsborne game was the presence of Poison Swamps
Then the list of soulsborne games would extend to lies of P, dead cells, ender lilies, etc.
I mean lies of P has the swamp level
Honestly Lies of P is the closest to a soulsborne game as it can be without being an actual soulsborne game. It feels so much like Menage-a-trois Lovechild between Pinocchio, Bloodborne, and Sekiro its insane.
Armored core would be a soulsborne game then
@@MetalFalcon99 This truly is the "Dark Souls" of Armored Core games
Gotta say, as far as "souls-like but not soulsborne" goes, Lies of P is an excellent specimen.
Man, wait until the kids find out that every FPS was called a "Doom Clone" in the 90s.
We still call things roguelikes
Bro tried so hard to make this more complicated than it is.
Ong
Fr it's so simple😂
Gotta get that content somehow
It’s probably the most simplistic thing ever on g
@@kyodreamwalker5378 stop talking like that weirdo
Sekiro is a rhythm game
Technically they are all rhythm games, Sekiro is just one of the hard core types of rhythm games.
@@MechaNoodle not really most souls likes are more focused on positioning then rapid fire parry timing
They’re all rhythm games though
@@MechaNoodle You’ve never once practiced any type of martial art, have you?
@@dragonfly9083 I think the word you’re looking for is... “PATTERN”
This guy always manages to make things seem way more complicated than they are
Looks at Metroidvania: I'm going to make a few calls.
Imagine having a series of games be so popular that they was a whole genre made off it
We got rouge, metroid, etc. Most genres are named after the game that invented the system they are inspired by
A good way to understand it is: souls-like is about gameplay (you roll around, you slash, you heal, maybe cast something, it’s hard, stuff like that), but soulsborne is about game design inherit to fromsoftware and Miyazaki, typical to souls series.
Better way, don't be a loser and stop caring about things that don't matter either way.....
@smokingirishman7820 having interests and a hobby isn't being a loser lmao
No, that is an atrocious way to explain it that misses the point
@@smokingirishman7820It's just a method for classifying a subgenre and specific games, and it doesn't take a whole day to do it.
@@TubularBellsRequiem6531that’s not what he ment. He ment stop caring about whether it’s a called a soulsborne or a souls like and just have fun lol.
I never get old of soulsborne games
They captured my mind like few games ever have
The most confusing, yet accurate description of the difference between SoulsBorne and Souls-like
Sekiro is one of my favorites games of all time .. the feeling you get from conquering that game was just chefs 💋
Sekiro is like that weird uncle at family gatherings
No one knows who he is or how he got here
Miyazaki confirmed that Sekiro isn’t a soulsborne game which makes sense, because it’s quite different from Dark Souls.
I always put it on the bloodborne side of the soulsborne.
@@greatestflames9199 I mean, it's soulsborne because for all it's differences, Bloodborne is still really similar to Dark Souls, it is closer to sekiro then Dark souls is, but I'd still say there is enough difference for Sekiro to not fit.
@@thomasraymond7912 It’s a rhythm game because compared to popular misconception, sword fighting is a dance with a rhythm, and tempo of its own that is unique to each fighter.
To match, and surpass someone you just met, whose style is different from your own, is the mark of a master of this dance.
I repeat.
Swordfighting, the act of fighting with swords, especially in a setting like Feudal Japan, is a dance.
its because Sekiro is action adventure compared to soulsborne being RPG.
you dont pick and choose your level up path in Sekiro. you find and upgrade gear akin to a legend of zelda game.
it just has the fromsoft "learn till your good" feeling to it.
@@thomasraymond7912Not at all. Bloodborne is closer to DS than to Sekiro. Sekiro has a clear and stated objective at the beginning of the game, it has an already set character, you have only one main weapon, you don't upgrade stats, instead you have already set skills which you have to unlock (like an Assassin's Creed or God of War). Bloodborne is identical to DS in these aspects. This is why Bloodborne is a soulslike and Sekiro isn't
I thought souls like came from demon souls
Most ppl only know about dark souls 3 and elden ring
@@HeldIntegraljust like the twit making the video.
I think about having an a stroke after hearing souls like and souls born so many times in the same sentence I know what’s happening uuuu….
And my old ass self over here just reminiscing about the classic King’s Field games, and still hoping for modern remakes.
My god.. Armored core.. my nostalgia is palpable.
ARMORED CORE!?!?!?!? I KNEW I SUBSCRIBED FOR A REASON. THATS THE MOST SOLID GAME THROWBACK IVE HEARD IN 3 MONTHS
*CHEF'S KISS* A CULTURED GAMER
Didn’t armored core 6 come out fairly recently? It’s pretty fresh in ppls minds
@@seveneyes77yeah it came out last summer
Please don't tell me this dude doesn't even know 6 just dropped
Hey buddy, go play AC6 :D
All Soulsbornes are Soulslikes, but not all Soulslikes are Soulsbornes
Except Sekiro apparently, which is a soulsborne but not souls-like
@@alcole-holic8779 Its Sekiro-like its own genre
Love your content.
Glad you enjoy it!
So, there's useful taxonomy, and then there's this.
Literally any video game community
I never get tired of his "WTF?" and I don't see this changing.
People have never played Rouge.
But everyone can name a Rouguelike.
I have no idea what that game is or what roguelike even means. This is the first time I'm hearing it.
I was expecting a "Dark Souls 2 is a great souls-like but not a great soulsborne" joke
As someone who loves Dark Souls 2 and even beat it without dying 1 run, yeah it's an above average RPG, if it didn't have "Dark Souls" in the name nobody would ever criticize it like they do, it would be widely considered pretty good like Kingdom's of Amalur, but it was made by the B team that didn't have the same From Soft polish 1,3, BB, S:SDT, and ER does and it shows
@@silasstryder I completely agree with you like my main issue is is that it's dark souls 2 and it's completely fucked if it wasn't a part of the dark souls series it would be an amazing game with a lot less complaints
@@Ithrial420i also like copium by the way
@@justaguyonyoutube6490 biggest PVP system in all Souls games, more content than any Souls game until Elden Ring, 2 or 3 times more weapon and armor variety than DS1. I played DS2 for a looong time and kept finding new builds to play with. It was a good game, it just wasn't a souls quality game. Especially compared to the other games that came out that same year DS2 was great
@@silasstryder my issues for the game are that the bosses are way too easy but the mobs are super annoying and there are way to many of them you cant walk 2 feet without getting ganked up on by 30 mobs that just spam attacks 24/7 and the walk back to bosses are littered with them you take more dmg from the mobs than the actual bosses also the character movement and camera movement just feels extremely finicky compared to ds1 and the fact that theres no offline mode just makes no sense to me i know theres ways you can go offline on your devices settings but why not just add the option to save people the headache theres alot more problems i have with the game but i cant think of all of them at the moment but i think those are pretty much my main issues with the game
Wait till bro discovers King's Field and Shadow Tower Abyss lol
Bro got a special talent to make even the simple things confusing.
So Monster Hunter Diary: Poka Poka Airou Village is not a Soulsborne neither a Soulslike, but it is made by FromSoftware
No it’s a Monster Hunter Diary:Poka Poka Airou Villageborne game
Sekiro is like the adopted child of the soulsborne family its not the same but we love it the same way
It felt like the players who ALWAYS go single Katana builds and parry everything wanted their own game that didn't have to nerf them so other playstyles could compete just like bloodborne was best for players that focus on fast weapon builds that dodge primarily instead of block or parry that doesn't nerf them against tanky enemies and player builds
@@silasstryder lmao bloodborne doesnt have blocking and parrying isnt a build related thing at all, its entirely skill
@@idk-ft6tl bloodborne literally has two different shields? and also viscerals literally scale off of your skill stat so there definitely Is parry builds in bloodborne
@@spoon8035one of those shields is a joke not meant to be used, and the other is for dealing with magic projectiles, not melee attacks.
@@spoon8035 One of them literally tells you that shields are for pussies and the other one is a DLC item.
Sekiro plays like Dark Souls but plays like it’s you by yourself vs the entire US military
and someone broke your shield and gave you a magical katana to parry with so if you're used to the sword and board playstyle you got a lot of learning to do
How? Its only similarity is the difficulty
Sekiro doesn't play like darksouls whatsoever. In Sekiro you parry and in Darksouls you roll, in Sekiro combat is fast and clean and in darksouls combat is slow and clunky, in Sekiro you invest in a skill tree while in Darksouls you invest in 9 different stats to make your build, in Sekiro combat is parry based while in Darksouls combat is pattern based. Comparing Sekiro and Darksouls is like comparing Armored core and Titanfall
Soulsbourne is the exclusive series, Souls-like is the genre. That’s what I got from this.
Fun fact, FromSoft made (or at least published) 3D Dot Game Heroes, an obscure PS3 game that most people only know of because it gave us the now iconic song Breakout. This game is a Zelda like with a weird 3D pixel art style.
Where are my chad Dark Souls 2 enjoyers at?
A paradox
Here
Sekiro was fantastic and I really hope they bring back that style every so often.
As an oldschool AC2 fan i can say for certain that Armored Core became soulslike after their Dark Souls success. The franchise changed dramatically between 5 and 6
Maybe the real Soulsborne games are the friends we made along the way
best way to think about it is 'Soulsborne' is pretty much the name of a series of games (even though they don't share a continuity)
It’s hard to explain but it just makes sense.
I have never been more confused, but understanding in my life
Mortel shell is a souls like, idk if the creators wre fans or wanted to make there own but i enjoyed it
Just because of this, I’ve decided to get into soulsborne games
Lies of P is different because the story actually makes sense
Sometimes the video game community is full of shenanigans.
That "wtf" felt personal
Dark souls truly is the Dark souls of Dark souls.
Ghost Fight in the background goes hard
Dark Souls "Get Gud"
Sekiro " GET GUDER!"
Every rule have an exeption, so this checks out
Best way to explain it.
Soulsbourne: First Party, I.e. fromSoft
souls-like: third party mimics of genius.
Armored Core shoutout detected. Weapons down, boys, he's clear.
Armored core finally explains why they know how to make games challenging.
The fact that I understand this is concerning.
That episode of friends when Joey was in a commercial where they tried to make seem opening a milk carton was hard:
Telling if a game falls into the soulsborne and/or souls like category is the Dark Souls of telling which video game genres a game is part of
Wait till he hears about Cookie & Cream.
I just waited for the sekiro question to come up😂
Once you learn Sekiro is just Guitar Hero, it all comes together.
Like how every wyvern is a dragon, but not all dragons are wyverns
It's settled then Dark souls was a Strand-type game all along
The difference is him: *points at my shrine to Miyazaki*
This truly is the Dark Soul of gaming phrases😂
Me when I learn about mutual exclusivity
Me explaining the entirety of Godzilla lore:
It's like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.
Sekiro: I feel personally attacked
This is the Modern "Who's on First?" bit and I love it.
I want him to explain Steelrising, that'd be funny as shit
This is honestly like the definition of making a mountain out of a mole hill. I don't think anyone in history has ever been confused about this.
For simplicity's sake, it's probably easier to think of Soulsborne as a single franchise and not a genre
Loved that sekiro ending!!
We create categories to help us manage expectations from things in a category, but too many exceptions and we question if the category is useful at all
I heard my friend say that Sekiro can be described as "Bop-It for Adults" and it pissed me off that he spoke the truth that brazenly
Easier way to put it for people to understand:
Every burger is a sandwich, but not every sandwich is a burger.
In this case, burgers are souls-borne, and sandwiches are souls-likes.
U can explain quicker. Souls-like is a genre term for games not made by from soft, but play similarly to fromsoft games. Soulsborne is a colloquial term used to describe action adventure games made exclusively by fromsoft.
The best way to describe Sekiro as I’ve heard it: “It’s a rhythm game disguised as a Souls game.”
Not spider dance in the background💀
It feels weird to Say It, but when i'm sad i just go back to Watch your videos, they're like my comfort content
I remember when the term RPG was enough
I swear everytime he says souls, my soul starts drinking
the magi manga behind screams GOAT
mortal shell in the corner crying and weeping because nobody remembers, or likes him
Lies of p was so good i think it deserves an honorary "souls borne" title. That shit was easily on par with ds3 or bloodborne. Especially from a company no one has heard of before. They took the formula, put a fucking sick spin on it, and had amazing combat. Truely, no contest, the best non fromsoft souls like.
My brain ain't braining from this
Wait until he hears about metroidvania
bro this is the only short thats made me laugh in a cuple hours
I love seeing the magi volumes in the back it just proves my assumptions that no one can complete the series without dealing with scalpers or just buying the box set
Sekiro is completely unique in the Fromsoft lineup. It can’t be compared to any of their other games and in all honesty I can really think of any games that truly feel the way Sekiro does. Any game that comes close has some pretty significant shifts in feel or tightness