Really glad to see One Page Rules getting more attention. The models are really good (better than some GW stuff) and the rules for Grimdark Future are a lot more balanced than 40K proper. I've been busting out my old retired 40k stuff that hasn't been competitive or even part of the game in years, and happy to get it back on the table. While I never played much fantasy stuff (I'm much more of a sci-fi/cyberpunk geek, lol) I do enjoy it here and there, and this seems like a good option for fantasy tabletop stuff. I have a couple of friends who are very into fantasy games, so this might be right up their alley as well
I think becoming a a home for old models is one of OPR's biggest strengths for sure. And with such a wide range of options your friends bound to find something they vibe with from the offerings!
@@CementSaul I know one of my friends that is going to probably play with the rat-men or lizard folk. He likes those beastly armies. I have a bet with myself that my brother plays dwarves of some kind, because he saw the old Warhammer 40k Squats and fell in love with them, and I am predicting he goes the same route here, lol. Personally, I'm interested in doing an undead army myself. Some of those models are just awesome.
It seems to try to simplify simulation but does it make it a good game, with many interesting, non-obvious and relevant decision points for thr player which are more impactful than dice rolls?
Or is it more like GW games with simplistic decisions and board states followed by a dice fest that rules it all, just without all the rules bloat? In other words is it more chess or playing with toy doldiers as a kid?
I'm glad there was a review of this quality. I would have liked to hear about the armies you used and how they felt like for the grimdark skirmish one page rules. Thank you still.
Glad it was helpful! I was pretty over skirmish/firefight when I finished up this review, so I didn't bother with the specifics to keep the video short. Thanks for the appreciation though!
Man, I love the thought and effort you put into everything you say on this channel. Can't wait to see the Regiments review! I wonder how it stacks up with Oathmark.
Cheers! From first impressions, it's narrower, deeper rules focus (Oathmark) vs a much wider breadth of units and factions (Regiments). Oathmark also has a more considered campaign system, for what that's worth!
I really appreciate the OPR content. I'm pretty interested in seeing how Warfleets goes to be honest. I'm still sinking my teeth into the AoF and GF but the flexibility is pretty cool, especially the narrative angle could make things interesting.
Amazing video! Haven't yet played firefight or skirmish yet (am stuck with the base came cuz it's fun as heck), excited to see the regiments one cuz I don't know anything about it! Keep the good work my friend!
Glad you enjoyed! Regiments is just the core system, which is the same in all the base OPR rulesets, recontextualized via rank and flank rules. It's pretty neat.
Very interesting review. I agree with your opinion quite a bit. The only thing I dislike about skirmish is the fact that the existing armies are very badly balanced here and there. I’ve tried beastmen, goblins and some others and the power tilt was considerable.
Yeah it's bound to happen when the system insists on representing everything that GW's ever offered. It's playability for the sake of balance, and I can respect that.
My only issue with this game is that the darling stand-out army "Dutchies of Vinci". It's basically more advanced than most sci-fi races (robots, drones and self-repairing machines... is this fantasy?). But that's not the worst way they affect this game: if the race weren't broken as far as rules I think people would feel more comfortable with the profit motives that need to be called into question. (If you didn't know it has argubly the best shooting, cavalry, cheap mount- some things are auto-include via secondary army just to keep the skirmish game balanced). If it weren't being sold & profited from, I would have a whole, whole lot more faith in the direction this game is pointed.
Kind of! It's similar in structure (small warbands fighting) but isn't as concerned with Mordheim's specific theme, or elaborate linked campaign rules. OPR does have campaign rules but they're much simpler. I'm not sure if they've put out a Mordheim-like supplement yet, although they do have one for Necromunda.
That's a valid criticism of OPR, actually. It addresses it by providing loads of optional rules, but the core system really is one of the simplest you'll ever play. There's a lot of power in that though!
@@CementSaul that was just my initial thought when you said that. I am going to try these rules out. I am toying with my own attempt at a skirmish level coop game in the vein of 5 parsecs right now. Excited for 5 leagues
OPR had a lot of options for Skirmish level, especially when you consider the diversity of armies & combining 2 of them. Have you read through everything? Good luck with your game.
"I would have been far more negative in the review had I paid $5 for each of the rule books" I mean it's the price of a cup of coffee.. not a huge investment to help support the development and creators... Talk about penny pinching, miserly and cheap, we are all sick of paying GW extortionate prices but this is beyond a petty comment.
I don't feel it's petty at all? Imagine you're new to OPR and first encounter them through wargame vault. You spend the 10 USD on the two small scale systems to see what they offer (this is what I almost did). After going through them you realize the portion of the books that are paid for are, mechanically, almost exactly the same. You've basically paid for different insert art (some people might be fine with this!). Later on you find out that for what you paid you could have gotten all of their systems, plus that month's set of digital minis, while also contributing to them more directly through patreon. I think a lot of people would find that a little bit frustrating!
Really glad to see One Page Rules getting more attention. The models are really good (better than some GW stuff) and the rules for Grimdark Future are a lot more balanced than 40K proper. I've been busting out my old retired 40k stuff that hasn't been competitive or even part of the game in years, and happy to get it back on the table. While I never played much fantasy stuff (I'm much more of a sci-fi/cyberpunk geek, lol) I do enjoy it here and there, and this seems like a good option for fantasy tabletop stuff. I have a couple of friends who are very into fantasy games, so this might be right up their alley as well
I think becoming a a home for old models is one of OPR's biggest strengths for sure. And with such a wide range of options your friends bound to find something they vibe with from the offerings!
@@CementSaul I know one of my friends that is going to probably play with the rat-men or lizard folk. He likes those beastly armies. I have a bet with myself that my brother plays dwarves of some kind, because he saw the old Warhammer 40k Squats and fell in love with them, and I am predicting he goes the same route here, lol. Personally, I'm interested in doing an undead army myself. Some of those models are just awesome.
It seems to try to simplify simulation but does it make it a good game, with many interesting, non-obvious and relevant decision points for thr player which are more impactful than dice rolls?
Or is it more like GW games with simplistic decisions and board states followed by a dice fest that rules it all, just without all the rules bloat? In other words is it more chess or playing with toy doldiers as a kid?
Yes, we need more people talking about warfleets
I'm glad there was a review of this quality. I would have liked to hear about the armies you used and how they felt like for the grimdark skirmish one page rules. Thank you still.
Glad it was helpful! I was pretty over skirmish/firefight when I finished up this review, so I didn't bother with the specifics to keep the video short. Thanks for the appreciation though!
@@CementSaul That's completely understandable.
Man, the highlight of this video was definitely those awesome minis! I'll be glad to see them again when Five Leagues 3e rolls out.
Thanks! Doing all these models gives me lots of space to practice and experiment with my painting.
Man, I love the thought and effort you put into everything you say on this channel. Can't wait to see the Regiments review! I wonder how it stacks up with Oathmark.
Cheers! From first impressions, it's narrower, deeper rules focus (Oathmark) vs a much wider breadth of units and factions (Regiments). Oathmark also has a more considered campaign system, for what that's worth!
Cool channel :) the care you put into each review really stands out. Subbed
I really appreciate the OPR content. I'm pretty interested in seeing how Warfleets goes to be honest. I'm still sinking my teeth into the AoF and GF but the flexibility is pretty cool, especially the narrative angle could make things interesting.
No problem! Warfleets definitely looks like something I can talk about.
That was a very nice review. I've been looking for in depth looks at these games, and this is the best one I've found.
Glad I could help!
i was just rewatching your five parsecs video today! hyped for the upload!
Thanks! I'm glad the Parsecs video is entertaining enough for rewatches!
Amazing video! Haven't yet played firefight or skirmish yet (am stuck with the base came cuz it's fun as heck), excited to see the regiments one cuz I don't know anything about it! Keep the good work my friend!
Also! Any chances you might check Forbidden Psalm?
Glad you enjoyed! Regiments is just the core system, which is the same in all the base OPR rulesets, recontextualized via rank and flank rules. It's pretty neat.
Yep, it's on the list! Might take a bit to prep for the models though, as the aesthetic is very specific.
I am really excited for your Five Leagues from the Borderlands review 🤟
I'm quite keen to play it, too!
Very interesting review. I agree with your opinion quite a bit. The only thing I dislike about skirmish is the fact that the existing armies are very badly balanced here and there. I’ve tried beastmen, goblins and some others and the power tilt was considerable.
Yeah it's bound to happen when the system insists on representing everything that GW's ever offered. It's playability for the sake of balance, and I can respect that.
Thankfully, OPR are addressing these problems with the 2.50 update being Beta tested right now.
Yes. Please do Deathball. It looks nice
Ah cool im doing the Same forest dragon model teams just printed undead and Humans 15mm
So the minis...? Have you upscaled those to 18mm'ish, because those seem to be 10mm on Mymini...?
Yep! Most of these are upscaled 10mm but some of them are downscaled 28mm.
I can't tell in your minis are more miniature than usual, or if its a perspective thing?
My only issue with this game is that the darling stand-out army "Dutchies of Vinci".
It's basically more advanced than most sci-fi races (robots, drones and self-repairing machines... is this fantasy?).
But that's not the worst way they affect this game: if the race weren't broken as far as rules I think people would feel more comfortable with the profit motives that need to be called into question.
(If you didn't know it has argubly the best shooting, cavalry, cheap mount- some things are auto-include via secondary army just to keep the skirmish game balanced).
If it weren't being sold & profited from, I would have a whole, whole lot more faith in the direction this game is pointed.
mordheim but simple :peepoHappy:
Are you still intending to cover regiments and gdf?
Tough to say with so little free time to make videos after work! I'll probably stick to systems I'm actively playing if I do make anything.
@@CementSaul fair enough
Awesome video! Thank you.
Nice! Thanks Saul
Any time, thanks for watching!
Is this a bit like Mordheim? Small warbands fighting in a ruined city.
Kind of! It's similar in structure (small warbands fighting) but isn't as concerned with Mordheim's specific theme, or elaborate linked campaign rules. OPR does have campaign rules but they're much simpler. I'm not sure if they've put out a Mordheim-like supplement yet, although they do have one for Necromunda.
appreciated
Those terrain look awfully familiar are those from shoppee or are you the seller? hmmm
all the terrain in this vid is 3d printed free files from thingiverse iirc
initial thought in first seconds of video: "warcry but simple" how do you get more simplified than that without just getting boring?
That's a valid criticism of OPR, actually. It addresses it by providing loads of optional rules, but the core system really is one of the simplest you'll ever play. There's a lot of power in that though!
@@CementSaul that was just my initial thought when you said that. I am going to try these rules out. I am toying with my own attempt at a skirmish level coop game in the vein of 5 parsecs right now. Excited for 5 leagues
OPR had a lot of options for Skirmish level, especially when you consider the diversity of armies & combining 2 of them. Have you read through everything?
Good luck with your game.
thanks for the vid
No problem!
Simpler than warcry ?! 0_o Can't be
"I would have been far more negative in the review had I paid $5 for each of the rule books"
I mean it's the price of a cup of coffee.. not a huge investment to help support the development and creators... Talk about penny pinching, miserly and cheap, we are all sick of paying GW extortionate prices but this is beyond a petty comment.
I don't feel it's petty at all? Imagine you're new to OPR and first encounter them through wargame vault. You spend the 10 USD on the two small scale systems to see what they offer (this is what I almost did).
After going through them you realize the portion of the books that are paid for are, mechanically, almost exactly the same. You've basically paid for different insert art (some people might be fine with this!). Later on you find out that for what you paid you could have gotten all of their systems, plus that month's set of digital minis, while also contributing to them more directly through patreon.
I think a lot of people would find that a little bit frustrating!