Pat knows he gave Butler very little to work with, doesn't he?! A bunch of undrafted players, a Tyler Herro who is always injured, and a Bam Adebayo who is a great player. That's it, this is the team Pat Riley gave Butler to play on and take to the NBA Finals twice.
No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
He traded for Oladipo who was a 2 time all star and all nba defense but got injured and Kyle Lowry was a 6 time all star we didn’t know he would get old. Now got Terry Rozier and drafted some players that can be really good.
@@stef933Oladipo was a 2-time All-Star way back in 2018 and 2019 and was an All-Defensive player in 2018. When Miami got him, he was nowhere near that guy anymore. Wym you didn't know Lowry would get old? He was 35 years old when he came to your team. Yes, Rozier and your drafted player can be very good, but do they chnage the game for Miami right now? No would be the more reasonable answer.
I mean in 2020 he definitely carried but in 2023 his role players literally couldn't have played any better unless you talk about the finals where they just got outmatched. Highsmith, Love, Robinson, Martin, Vincent, Lowry were all shooting around 38% or better, feeling like that's more than a little bit of help. And I didn't even have to say anything about Bam cause we all know how good Bam is and what he does for the team.
Wdym little help he’s always been surrounded by good 3&D players who elevate in the playoffs plus bam who is a top 20 player in the nba and plus Erik spoelstra who is an all time great coach sounds like more than a little help to me
Jimmy is about 5 years older than any of the other core players on the Heat. I bet he gets traded at the deadline to a team in the West, which is wide-open again this year. Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, Rockets, Pelicans, and Warriors all make sense and can put a decent offer on the table.
This squad has had an unbelievable run. How many times have I counted them out and watched them prove me wrong. IDC if they don't win a chip, I'll never forget them.
He traded for Oladipo who was a 2 time all star and all nba defense but got injured and Kyle Lowry was a 6 time all star we didn’t know he would get old. Now got Terry Rozier and drafted some players that can be really good.
@@J420-x6p No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
As a Heat fan, I am quite all right with Miami trading Jimmy and getting a young piece or two and a number one pick or two and let youth movement begin. I’m actually kind of rooting for it.
@@MottoNGHT oh it’s possible okc could make a trade for almost any player in the league. I just don’t see it being very likely. Okc isn’t rushing anything and definitely aren’t trying to take on a max contract for a 35 year old when they will have to pay Jdub and Chet in 2 years.
Jimmy Butler's 34 and wanting a new 5-year max contract. At this point, with the new salary cap restrictions, trading for him is a move to make headlines, not win championships. The Thunder played it perfectly this off-season, getting a real C to protect Chet's body and acquiring Caruso to defend the team's ball handler. They don't need another star guard that will demand touches, they already have J Will and Shai's an MVP-caliber PG.
The Jimmy window slammed shut in Miami, not really Jimmy’s fault they always had horrible contracts and G leaguers having to do too much, may as well trade him and Herro
I am a thunder fan and I have been saying this since we lost to the mavs in round two. I think Jimmy butler would be a MASSIVE help on our team AND it would make sense. The thunder have assets unrivaled throughout the league, and jimmy butler is a seamless fit of a player who can be an elite defender who can also score. Not to mention his age which is to some a downside but to the thunder would be an upside in a sense because the thunder lack a veteran presence. Even more so if that veteran has playoff experience like Jimmy does. I think he would play well alongside Shai and Jaylen Williams, and I believe it would allow our team to be EVEN MORE defensively impactful on the wings than we already are. I don't know, it makes a lot of sense to me. I'd be interested to know what you think.
Jimmy will elevate the chances of Thunder entering the finals Though last season he was injured , he still managed to lead the team in scoring but surprisingly the # 4 in the shot taken, had his best in 3pt% as well Jimmy is an elite two way player and ferocious leader that elevates and compensates his teammates Physical in the paint , reliant in footwork , master of and 1 One of two existing players who's steals are higher than to's Definitely the young Thunder will vastly improved with him
@@Dizzelsoul3542Actually, Jimmy tied with Herro for the team's highest scoring average at 20.8. He did average a career high 41.4% from 3, but only on 2.4 attempts per game (145 total attempts). He is a good, sometimes great two-player, but not elite.
I feel awful for bro he easily coulda gotten a ring in the past few yrs if Pat did his job. Instead gave Herro and Duncan trash contracts and never went the extra mile. Bro had Cody Zeller as a back up big man in the finals. Jokic: U put a white guy infront of me.
and destroy ur team for the next 4-5 years, the second apron is no joke, u would would be stuck with this exact team for 4 years, so in 2028 u would still have a similar to same squad, defiantly not worth it
No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
You pay the man simple as that. Not one of these Media dweebs thought Butler would do what hes done in Miami. And what does that say to the next "Star" that Miami gets? You can do the near impossible and we still won't pay you? Come on man
Want Jimmy to stay as he's Wade-lite and embodies Heat basketball. Having said that, Spo System got this. If that system can turn Whiteside from a gleague guy to a max contract guy, versatile Bam as the main dude would do damage with Herro as Robin. All the better too if Jaquez makes a big leap in his upcoming sophomore year.
As a nets fan, I honestly wouldnt mind signing jimmy butler, especially if we get cooper flagg. At that point, the core talent is there (thomas claxton clowney flagg) and adding jimmy would help develop those players in a winning environment. Tanking multiple years in a row can be really dangerous for player development, and we saw what it did for cam thomas' game to have veteran scorers around him
Rockets fan here...considering Jimmy's age and the dysfunction building up between him and Mia...id like to see us offer Green and a future first for Jimmy. He makes us win-now. We got puppies ready to be lead by an Alpha. Greens explosion last year may be enough to make Miami believe in him (im still on the fence. He's a fringe good player)
Just going to say it, great time for bosh to make it into the team again somehow even if it’s just as a new udonis who just plays a few minutes sometimes but is really there to coach and mentor the young guys.
Jimmy Butler is 35 today (happy birthday). Guys going to be 36 next off season, hasn’t played more than 65 games since his days with Chicago - good luck to any team dumb enough to sign him for a max or near max deal.
@@00soysauce not really. All three are still better than Butler (offence margin outweighs any defense). DeRozan - has been significantly healthier, had added to his game, and is considered one of the best mid-range players out there, he just signed a 3yr $70m contract hardly anywhere near, near max. Harden - is owed roughly $70m over the next two seasons. You can call that near max, but it is quite short, and it is one of those if WE don’t pay him we will lose him, without the ability to sign anyone else cause we already over the cap anyway kind of scenarios. Paul George is your best case having signed a 4yr, $212m max contract with the Sixers. But he is nearly a year younger, was slightly healthier last season, signed his contract this season earlier (technically two seasons earlier because of age), and again is a better player than Butler.
@@sambeaumont395 Nah. Derozan is definitely the healthier of the 4 but is way worse than Jimmy. In terms of health, it would probably be Derozan, Jimmy, Harden, and then PG. Offense does not out weigh defense. Fact of the matter is Jimmy is the best all around player amongst the 4. His offense (scoring) may not be as good as the other 4 but it’s no slouch either. Derozan has been the healthiest and played the most games, Jimmy has been injured but when it comes post season time, Jimmy will still play. Harden has been dealing with his hamstring for couple years now and his lack of offseason improvement in terms of keeping his body good. And PG is always up in the air with injuries dealing with his ankle, hips, or leg. But based off each individual player’s contract, you can definitely argue which one is worth more or has a better value based off their age, health, availability, and just who is better. I only say this to say that because all 4 of these players are the same age where they are still good but getting older and getting paid somewhat the same amount
@@00soysauce big difference between their contracts - DD - $23-$25m (3yrs - signed ‘24) JH - $33-$36m (2yrs - signed ‘24) PG - $49-$56m (4yr - signed ‘24) PG is really the only one who makes sense for the argument you are trying to make - highest salary, injuries, etc. but again he is signing effectively 2yrs earlier than JB would be as he signed his contract this year and is closer to being a year younger than the same age. Whether right or wrong JB does have a reputation that may be seen as unfavourable, add this to signing at 36, injuries and for a legit contender being 2nd/3rd option - $55-70m should be considered a bad decision. Not saying that he wont get it, just think it’ll be a bad contract, that it will impact teams ability to progress and may be quite hard to trade with luxury tax and aprons to be considered. Of the four players, they all have their flaws, but I would absolutely pick Butler last.
@@00soysauce DD - $70m over 3yrs isn’t close to max. JH - $70m over 2yrs starting this year, is both short, less than max and more tradeable than a true Max/near Max deal. PG - $212m over 4yrs is pretty expensive but he is effectively starting the contract 2yrs earlier (signed this offseason vs next offseason, PG is a year younger). Based on comments to date, JB is seeking something more like what PG got (but next years values), just he’s older than PG, will be even older again at time of signing, and also has a bit of an unfavourable reputation. It is absolutely possible that some team will give him a near max deal, and to them I say good luck. With luxury tax and aprons that’ll be a lot for a contender to spend on a 2nd/3rd guy. And if a re-building team is looking to spend that money (to hit minimum spend) that’s a shame, because there is likely far better mentors out there that you can over pay.
Miami's finals runs were flukes, and they had virtually zero chance of winning both times. The bubble run was more legit, but they still had little chance of beating the Lakers that year. Against Denver they obviously had no chance. I don't think Jimmy can be the number one option on a championship team, at most he's the second best, probably best suited as the third option.
Least obvious celticfan/jimmy hater ,Are we forgetting jimmy pushed the lakers to 6 and his 2nd and 3rd option missed 2 games? , if a team in the finals takes the winner to 6 games without their second and 3rd best player how TF can you say they had no chance 😂😂
@@urbaindelva7869 we beat them in game 3 with literally no bam and dragic so if he could win without his second and 3rd let us have them for the whole series and the outcome is different
At this point, its clear bam is gonna be that guy. Jimmy currently is said guy, but if it dont work out, it dont work out. However i do feel the heat management messed up during that 5 year gap with getting talent
No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
Top 3 teams that could use him 3 thunder,experience is needed but SGA is already the leader and jimmy might disturb their “carefree” (I have no better word to use lol) atmosphere 2 warriors They need a second star BAD,that’s it,jimmy’s defence and mid rangers could also prove nice 1 grizzlies Three words: GRIT AND GRIND
If Miami just did everything right and nothing wrong then yea they have maybe could then Pat Riley with the run into around the All Star. Makes perfect sense
Man they should’ve been smart and just kept hiring whoever was hot at shooting 3s year in and year out instead of extending dudes like Robinson because let’s be real the only reason they ever made the finals both times was because they did their best with 3 point shooters, butler was very good some games but insanely inconsistent on both finals runs
He was pretty consistent in 2020. The 2023 one yeah he was. He didn't even had a good game in that particular series, underperformed throughout the series.
A trade that would be perfect call me crazy is. Butler back to Minnesota for KAT. KAT and Bam would be a decent fit. Ant gets his cracked up Pippen. Conley Ant Jimmy Reid Gobert. Mcdaniels and Alexander Walker otb would be crazy
Herro was overpaid so it's hamstrung their flexibility or else they could have gotten Anunoby as they were battling with the Knicks for his services. I don't think Brooklyn would wanna bother adding him just to rot until they are a possible playoff team.
Miami messed up by not being in for any pieces that could push them over the line. Don’t get me wrong, if Butler leaves they won’t be bad but if he does it just doesn’t seem right.
Don’t see a trade to Brooklyn and I also don’t see them signing him for 200/M for four years either. Maybe 100/M for two or 120/M for three. A trade? Simmons and trash for Butler? Like Cam Thomas and ziaire Williams? And a couple #1 picks? Or maybe just one? Not a perfect fit either way.
Jimmy is going to retire in a heat jersey. Some things takes time. Not to take away from the fact that Jimmy almost made it happen with what he had twice. The misfortune was that he ended up playing against Lebron 1st in the finals Then ended up playing against a stacked Denver. As for Pat's moves, that guy knows the game well. It's just that the right pieces hasn't been available and the ones that could have been a game changer costed way too much. Kudos to Pat for being patient. With that being said Jimmy chances are not all gone. The guys around him just gotta do their part. And that's any team he plays one. Which again i say. JIMMY IS GOING TO RETIRE IN A HEAT JERSEY
Pat was never patient Old and lost it's passion to win was the direction he's now After the Bubbles finals instead of improving the roster he let dawg Jae Crowder walk away in place of ineffective Moe Harkless Kept acquiring blue collared, chinks in the armor Heat guy and walk away for nothing Even PJ Tucker who eventually helped Bucks get the ring Riley overvalued Herro and later labelled him as fragile Jimmy steered the mediocre Miami Heat into 2 Finals and 3 ECF After big 3 and pre Jimmy the Miami Heat was non relevant
Tough trade to make. The Heat are loaded with young talent and need to move JB. Move Jimmy to GS and mix in Brooklyn… who wants to lose. Try this trade… Warriors get Butler. Nets get Melton, Looney, and Wiggins. Heat get Kuminga and Ben Simmons. that works on the ESPN trade machine. Who knows? Simmons comes off the books next year or he gets lit. Exile him to Sioux Falls if he does not reform. Kuminga takes Jimmies spot at the three. Jimmy and Steph…. Playoff magic in the West.
There is zero chance the nets are giving Jimmy Butler long-term deal. They just traded away all of their talent to get draft picks. Jimmy's also not walking away from his 52 mm player option.
Too much praise for Jimmy and not enough for Spoelstra. There are probably 4,5 coaches in NBA history that could achieved what he achieved in Miami with that lackluster roster. (I'm not saying that Jimmy doesn't deserve to be praised ok.)
Butler is too good of a player to give up on. If he goes back to Minnesota -> Ant with Jimmy??? Damn! Sent Towns and all your picks to Miami for Bulter, Right now! The Wolves will be champions, guaranteed!!!
There is only 2 trades u do for Jimmy that make sense for the heat that’s either Jimmy for Wiggins and kuminga or Jimmy for Bi and another guy from no if not then nothing else makes sense that keeps the heat relevant and makes where ever Jimmy goes a contender
Dude, if the Heat don't have Jimmy Butler.....they have another max contract to add to that same young core and......go right back to competing. As for right now, this is the best team Jimmy has ever had since he has been with the Heat. Why can't you guys ever actually pay attention to this team and what it is doing? Please look into Pelle Larson, Josh Christopher, Keshad Johnson, Isaiah Stevens, and Kel'el Ware and realize that if the Heat can actually stay healthy for once, the entire league has a big problem on their hands that yet again, they will not see coming. There is a reason Miami won the Summer League buddy, and it ain't Jaime Jacquez.
Whitesides numbers had nothing to do with spose system. He would have been able to put up those numbers anywhere averaging the minute he was averaging in Miami. The reason why the guy fell off is because right smack dab in the middle of his prime the NBA made a huge shift from the playstyle that he provided. It's the same thing with Andre Drummond it's the same thing with Greg Monroe.
Philly chose Ben Simmons and Brett Brown over Jimmy, not Tobias. Jimmy hated Ben and Brett. That’s why he left. Tobias was the next best option and their hands were tied
Jimmy and Herro will be trade bait this year. The Heat may have to think of letting him walk if they can’t get someone else to take him. The guy has missed one-fifth of his regular season games for the past few years. Heat are already eating Herro’s and Robinson’s salaries. At least they’re young and can still be squeezed to get maximum worth. Same doesn’t apply to Jimmy. Who knows what he will do since it’s a contract year. If Riley let LeBron walk he’ll do the same for Jimmy if and when the time comes.
They were never a serious championship team with Butler as their top guy. Give me a break. Its more illustrative of how bad the eastern conference is than anything else. If Butler is gonna be your best player, then you'd need like 3 or 4 other all star level type players to have a real chance.
Let him go to contender I don’t want here about anything else he old , injuries idk the team sucks it’s beyond amazing Jimmy made it to finals in a 5 year span !! Chris Paul only got to one final his whole career… so trade him to a contender
Pat knows he gave Butler very little to work with, doesn't he?!
A bunch of undrafted players, a Tyler Herro who is always injured, and a Bam Adebayo who is a great player.
That's it, this is the team Pat Riley gave Butler to play on and take to the NBA Finals twice.
No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
He traded for Oladipo who was a 2 time all star and all nba defense but got injured and Kyle Lowry was a 6 time all star we didn’t know he would get old. Now got Terry Rozier and drafted some players that can be really good.
@@stef933 All these players you mentioned were visibly on the decline before coming to Heat
@@stef933I mean we knew they were old. Lowry was no better than a starting level point, he definitely hasn’t been all star level in a while
@@stef933Oladipo was a 2-time All-Star way back in 2018 and 2019 and was an All-Defensive player in 2018. When Miami got him, he was nowhere near that guy anymore. Wym you didn't know Lowry would get old? He was 35 years old when he came to your team. Yes, Rozier and your drafted player can be very good, but do they chnage the game for Miami right now? No would be the more reasonable answer.
Jimmy did a lot with the little that he had around him.
💯🫡
I mean in 2020 he definitely carried but in 2023 his role players literally couldn't have played any better unless you talk about the finals where they just got outmatched. Highsmith, Love, Robinson, Martin, Vincent, Lowry were all shooting around 38% or better, feeling like that's more than a little bit of help. And I didn't even have to say anything about Bam cause we all know how good Bam is and what he does for the team.
Wdym little help he’s always been surrounded by good 3&D players who elevate in the playoffs plus bam who is a top 20 player in the nba and plus Erik spoelstra who is an all time great coach sounds like more than a little help to me
@@bus5590name the players
@@bus5590 what he’s saying is jimmy surrounded by good helps which got heat to the finals but not good enough helps to win NBA title.
Jimmy is about 5 years older than any of the other core players on the Heat. I bet he gets traded at the deadline to a team in the West, which is wide-open again this year. Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, Rockets, Pelicans, and Warriors all make sense and can put a decent offer on the table.
The more I look at the Warriors... if they are close to the 6th seed in January, I think they pull the trigger.
Good prediction tbh
Lakers aren't getting him. Miami aren't taking Austin Reaves and a 2029 1st
Twolves, would be fun to see him and Ant together. KAT for butler isn't bad
Lmao no way Riley ever makes a deal to help Lebron, and I love that
Sixers really chose Brick Simmons and Tobi Harris over Himmy Buckets the biggest L ever
lol
To be fair, if Ben actually cared he would’ve been top 20 and younger. It’s a shot you had to take just didn’t work out
I’m surprised embiid hasn’t asked out
Sixers prioritized signing Jimmy to a max contract. He was gone either way.
Simmons made sense he was still good at that point.
if miami had got better pieces around jimmy and bam and not gave bad contracts, they would've probably won one champ by now
Or if they was healthy in 2020,2022 and 2023 maybe they win.
That Duncan Robinson contract is a nightmare.
Shoulda coulda woulda
@@fastbreakreport It’s 18 million for one of the best shooters in the league where Bruce brown makes 23 million a year…. What a nightmare lmao
Or if they were able to stay fully healthy for more than 3 games
This squad has had an unbelievable run. How many times have I counted them out and watched them prove me wrong. IDC if they don't win a chip, I'll never forget them.
Miami funbled this era without adding any real championship contending pieces while relying on their overachieving undrafted players 😂
Imagine saying in 2020 when Jimmy signed “oh the Heat made 2 finals and 3 ECF in 4 years” and calling it a fumble… they overachieved. Period.
@@J420-x6p yep, having been a fan of many a truly suckass team, I'd cherish my memories of this core if I were a Miami fan.
He traded for Oladipo who was a 2 time all star and all nba defense but got injured and Kyle Lowry was a 6 time all star we didn’t know he would get old. Now got Terry Rozier and drafted some players that can be really good.
@@J420-x6p
No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
@stef933 You didn't know Lowry would get old...? Do you not know how time works?
As a Heat fan, I am quite all right with Miami trading Jimmy and getting a young piece or two and a number one pick or two and let youth movement begin. I’m actually kind of rooting for it.
Jimmy to the thunder would be insane
Not happening. Thunder roster is set for the season expect little to no roster changes from okc
@@rdubb6592 that’s where a pile of draft picks actually makes it possible tho
@@MottoNGHT oh it’s possible okc could make a trade for almost any player in the league. I just don’t see it being very likely. Okc isn’t rushing anything and definitely aren’t trying to take on a max contract for a 35 year old when they will have to pay Jdub and Chet in 2 years.
Jimmy Butler's 34 and wanting a new 5-year max contract. At this point, with the new salary cap restrictions, trading for him is a move to make headlines, not win championships. The Thunder played it perfectly this off-season, getting a real C to protect Chet's body and acquiring Caruso to defend the team's ball handler. They don't need another star guard that will demand touches, they already have J Will and Shai's an MVP-caliber PG.
@@FerrumCidojimmy just want a 3 year contract
The Jimmy window slammed shut in Miami, not really Jimmy’s fault they always had horrible contracts and G leaguers having to do too much, may as well trade him and Herro
I am a thunder fan and I have been saying this since we lost to the mavs in round two. I think Jimmy butler would be a MASSIVE help on our team AND it would make sense. The thunder have assets unrivaled throughout the league, and jimmy butler is a seamless fit of a player who can be an elite defender who can also score. Not to mention his age which is to some a downside but to the thunder would be an upside in a sense because the thunder lack a veteran presence. Even more so if that veteran has playoff experience like Jimmy does. I think he would play well alongside Shai and Jaylen Williams, and I believe it would allow our team to be EVEN MORE defensively impactful on the wings than we already are. I don't know, it makes a lot of sense to me. I'd be interested to know what you think.
Jimmy will elevate the chances of Thunder entering the finals
Though last season he was injured , he still managed to lead the team in scoring but surprisingly the # 4 in the shot taken, had his best in 3pt% as well
Jimmy is an elite two way player and ferocious leader that elevates and compensates his teammates
Physical in the paint , reliant in footwork , master of and 1
One of two existing players who's steals are higher than to's
Definitely the young Thunder will vastly improved with him
@@Dizzelsoul3542 That's what I'm SAYIN!!!!
@@Dizzelsoul3542Actually, Jimmy tied with Herro for the team's highest scoring average at 20.8. He did average a career high 41.4% from 3, but only on 2.4 attempts per game (145 total attempts). He is a good, sometimes great two-player, but not elite.
Who yall giving us for Jimmy? J Dub?
@urbaindelva7869
Great takes!
Who's team you're rooting and player as well?
This phase of the Heat remind me of the Grit/Grind Grizzlies
Props to the Heat for never rebuilding. Tanking for draft picks isn’t an end all be all solution
Just imagine if Jimmy joins Jokic in Denver. 😳
Jimmy on GS would be a fire revenge squad
That was one of your best! Also you talked a little slower I think, which is good 😂
I feel awful for bro he easily coulda gotten a ring in the past few yrs if Pat did his job. Instead gave Herro and Duncan trash contracts and never went the extra mile. Bro had Cody Zeller as a back up big man in the finals. Jokic: U put a white guy infront of me.
Not easily.
Tucker, as a Nets fan, would you want Jimmy in a Nets uniform?
Absolutely not
Hell no!!! Jimmy can go elsewhere
We’re in tank mode bro 😂
I’m waiting for us to get that lottery pick 25-26 ie Flagg, Bailey or Harper
@@SportingLogically really? jimmy the superstar? wow
Why the hell would Jimmy wanna got there NOW?
The man went to the finals with a lottery team not once but twice , PAY THAT MAN PAT!
and destroy ur team for the next 4-5 years, the second apron is no joke, u would would be stuck with this exact team for 4 years, so in 2028 u would still have a similar to same squad, defiantly not worth it
@@SeansWorld420if pat would’ve did it this year he just wanted to add a year to his contract he already said he not playing in his 40’s
No they shouldn’t at all.
No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
At his age with his injury history? On top of the money he's already getting? No, he should not.
You pay the man simple as that. Not one of these Media dweebs thought Butler would do what hes done in Miami. And what does that say to the next "Star" that Miami gets? You can do the near impossible and we still won't pay you? Come on man
Yeah they did that shit to dwade also
Jimmy Butler REDEMPTION next season?
If I were Pat Riley, I will just Old Yeller that Jimmy Butler thing immediately. As in right now.
Book had no buisness making me cry like that as a kid lol. Where the Red Fern Grows perhaps?
Want Jimmy to stay as he's Wade-lite and embodies Heat basketball.
Having said that, Spo System got this.
If that system can turn Whiteside from a gleague guy to a max contract guy, versatile Bam as the main dude would do damage with Herro as Robin. All the better too if Jaquez makes a big leap in his upcoming sophomore year.
Tobbias Harris caught one of the coldest strays from Jimmy in that clip😂
"Tobias Harris over me?!?!" 💀
Didn't they do the same thing with D Wade towards the end of his career?
Pretty much.
Jimmy as done a lot for us
And it wasn’t enough in the end
Pat Riley is the problem lol
As a nets fan, I honestly wouldnt mind signing jimmy butler, especially if we get cooper flagg. At that point, the core talent is there (thomas claxton clowney flagg) and adding jimmy would help develop those players in a winning environment. Tanking multiple years in a row can be really dangerous for player development, and we saw what it did for cam thomas' game to have veteran scorers around him
He is one of the biggest impact players of the last 10 years. Besides that: I always wondered how he would work next to Ant
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Rockets fan here...considering Jimmy's age and the dysfunction building up between him and Mia...id like to see us offer Green and a future first for Jimmy. He makes us win-now. We got puppies ready to be lead by an Alpha. Greens explosion last year may be enough to make Miami believe in him (im still on the fence. He's a fringe good player)
Jimmy does not fit the timeline. Hell, the veterans who are already on the team are probably temporary themselves.
Just going to say it, great time for bosh to make it into the team again somehow even if it’s just as a new udonis who just plays a few minutes sometimes but is really there to coach and mentor the young guys.
there was a miami heat before jimmy and there’s gonna be one after
trade jimmy to hawks to play wit trae
Jimmy Butler is 35 today (happy birthday).
Guys going to be 36 next off season, hasn’t played more than 65 games since his days with Chicago - good luck to any team dumb enough to sign him for a max or near max deal.
You could say that about like Paul George, Demar, James Harden,
@@00soysauce not really.
All three are still better than Butler (offence margin outweighs any defense).
DeRozan - has been significantly healthier, had added to his game, and is considered one of the best mid-range players out there, he just signed a 3yr $70m contract hardly anywhere near, near max.
Harden - is owed roughly $70m over the next two seasons. You can call that near max, but it is quite short, and it is one of those if WE don’t pay him we will lose him, without the ability to sign anyone else cause we already over the cap anyway kind of scenarios.
Paul George is your best case having signed a 4yr, $212m max contract with the Sixers. But he is nearly a year younger, was slightly healthier last season, signed his contract this season earlier (technically two seasons earlier because of age), and again is a better player than Butler.
@@sambeaumont395 Nah. Derozan is definitely the healthier of the 4 but is way worse than Jimmy. In terms of health, it would probably be Derozan, Jimmy, Harden, and then PG. Offense does not out weigh defense. Fact of the matter is Jimmy is the best all around player amongst the 4. His offense (scoring) may not be as good as the other 4 but it’s no slouch either. Derozan has been the healthiest and played the most games, Jimmy has been injured but when it comes post season time, Jimmy will still play. Harden has been dealing with his hamstring for couple years now and his lack of offseason improvement in terms of keeping his body good. And PG is always up in the air with injuries dealing with his ankle, hips, or leg. But based off each individual player’s contract, you can definitely argue which one is worth more or has a better value based off their age, health, availability, and just who is better. I only say this to say that because all 4 of these players are the same age where they are still good but getting older and getting paid somewhat the same amount
@@00soysauce big difference between their contracts -
DD - $23-$25m (3yrs - signed ‘24)
JH - $33-$36m (2yrs - signed ‘24)
PG - $49-$56m (4yr - signed ‘24)
PG is really the only one who makes sense for the argument you are trying to make - highest salary, injuries, etc. but again he is signing effectively 2yrs earlier than JB would be as he signed his contract this year and is closer to being a year younger than the same age.
Whether right or wrong JB does have a reputation that may be seen as unfavourable, add this to signing at 36, injuries and for a legit contender being 2nd/3rd option - $55-70m should be considered a bad decision.
Not saying that he wont get it, just think it’ll be a bad contract, that it will impact teams ability to progress and may be quite hard to trade with luxury tax and aprons to be considered.
Of the four players, they all have their flaws, but I would absolutely pick Butler last.
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DD - $70m over 3yrs isn’t close to max.
JH - $70m over 2yrs starting this year, is both short, less than max and more tradeable than a true Max/near Max deal.
PG - $212m over 4yrs is pretty expensive but he is effectively starting the contract 2yrs earlier (signed this offseason vs next offseason, PG is a year younger).
Based on comments to date, JB is seeking something more like what PG got (but next years values), just he’s older than PG, will be even older again at time of signing, and also has a bit of an unfavourable reputation.
It is absolutely possible that some team will give him a near max deal, and to them I say good luck.
With luxury tax and aprons that’ll be a lot for a contender to spend on a 2nd/3rd guy.
And if a re-building team is looking to spend that money (to hit minimum spend) that’s a shame, because there is likely far better mentors out there that you can over pay.
Miami's finals runs were flukes, and they had virtually zero chance of winning both times. The bubble run was more legit, but they still had little chance of beating the Lakers that year. Against Denver they obviously had no chance. I don't think Jimmy can be the number one option on a championship team, at most he's the second best, probably best suited as the third option.
Least obvious celticfan/jimmy hater ,Are we forgetting jimmy pushed the lakers to 6 and his 2nd and 3rd option missed 2 games? , if a team in the finals takes the winner to 6 games without their second and 3rd best player how TF can you say they had no chance 😂😂
@@bmgk6486Even when Bam and Dragic did play, the Lakers still dominated. Jimmy had to run himself into the ground to get the Heat those 2 wins.
@@urbaindelva7869 we beat them in game 3 with literally no bam and dragic so if he could win without his second and 3rd let us have them for the whole series and the outcome is different
At this point, its clear bam is gonna be that guy. Jimmy currently is said guy, but if it dont work out, it dont work out. However i do feel the heat management messed up during that 5 year gap with getting talent
No if they were healthy at least even 1 year like the nuggets and Celtics were they would have won a champ by now. 2023 Herro and Oladipo didn’t play and 2020 Dragic and Adebayo also didn’t play in the finals. What happened when the nuggets had Murray and porter out years prior, they lost right. The Heat are different in the playoffs than in the season it’s that Heat culture that makes them play harder and not choke like other teams do.
Top 3 teams that could use him
3 thunder,experience is needed but SGA is already the leader and jimmy might disturb their “carefree” (I have no better word to use lol) atmosphere
2 warriors
They need a second star BAD,that’s it,jimmy’s defence and mid rangers could also prove nice
1 grizzlies
Three words: GRIT AND GRIND
Jimmy did a lot for the heat, they need to add another star next to Butler, he did a lot with a little over there
If Miami just did everything right and nothing wrong then yea they have maybe could then Pat Riley with the run into around the All Star.
Makes perfect sense
Brandon Ingram+Jimmy Butler would work
Would it?
Man they should’ve been smart and just kept hiring whoever was hot at shooting 3s year in and year out instead of extending dudes like Robinson because let’s be real the only reason they ever made the finals both times was because they did their best with 3 point shooters, butler was very good some games but insanely inconsistent on both finals runs
True.
He was pretty consistent in 2020. The 2023 one yeah he was. He didn't even had a good game in that particular series, underperformed throughout the series.
I think the Rockets could entertain a mid-season trade for Jimmy if the Heat are looking bad, AND Jalen Green is needing a new home.
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Assuming that Jimmy Buckets will be solid citizen, no drama this entire season is not in line with his ending in Chicago and Mini,pass the pop corn
No mention of Nikola Jovic ? The lad is a stud.
Just when I was thinking of getting a used butler jersey this happens lool
A trade that would be perfect call me crazy is.
Butler back to Minnesota for KAT.
KAT and Bam would be a decent fit.
Ant gets his cracked up Pippen.
Conley Ant Jimmy Reid Gobert.
Mcdaniels and Alexander Walker otb would be crazy
2ND OPTION MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES GONNA BE HOT FIT TO HIM 🔥
Jimmy's going to get paid, and be a massive contributer to winning for years to come, on the heat or elsewhere.
This is just gonna be another smokescreen. I don’t think he’ll get traded. Not a lot of teams can afford him.
maybe butler and ben simmons reuniting will bring that dominance back in ben
Herro was overpaid so it's hamstrung their flexibility or else they could have gotten Anunoby as they were battling with the Knicks for his services. I don't think Brooklyn would wanna bother adding him just to rot until they are a possible playoff team.
Jimmy to the nuggets
if heat get rid of butler they mineswell get rid of bam too
Miami messed up by not being in for any pieces that could push them over the line. Don’t get me wrong, if Butler leaves they won’t be bad but if he does it just doesn’t seem right.
Jimmy going to play with Steph
Don’t see a trade to Brooklyn and I also don’t see them signing him for 200/M for four years either. Maybe 100/M for two or 120/M for three. A trade?
Simmons and trash for Butler? Like Cam Thomas and ziaire Williams? And a couple #1 picks? Or maybe just one?
Not a perfect fit either way.
Jimmy is going to retire in a heat jersey. Some things takes time. Not to take away from the fact that Jimmy almost made it happen with what he had twice.
The misfortune was that he ended up playing against Lebron 1st in the finals
Then ended up playing against a stacked Denver.
As for Pat's moves, that guy knows the game well. It's just that the right pieces hasn't been available and the ones that could have been a game changer costed way too much.
Kudos to Pat for being patient.
With that being said Jimmy chances are not all gone. The guys around him just gotta do their part. And that's any team he plays one. Which again i say.
JIMMY IS GOING TO RETIRE IN A HEAT JERSEY
Pat was never patient
Old and lost it's passion to win was the direction he's now
After the Bubbles finals instead of improving the roster he let dawg Jae Crowder walk away in place of ineffective Moe Harkless
Kept acquiring blue collared, chinks in the armor Heat guy and walk away for nothing
Even PJ Tucker who eventually helped Bucks get the ring
Riley overvalued Herro and later labelled him as fragile
Jimmy steered the mediocre Miami Heat into 2 Finals and 3 ECF
After big 3 and pre Jimmy the Miami Heat was non relevant
butler not taking a minimum. dude is all about getting paid
Tough trade to make. The Heat are loaded with young talent and need to move JB. Move Jimmy to GS and mix in Brooklyn… who wants to lose. Try this trade… Warriors get Butler. Nets get Melton, Looney, and Wiggins. Heat get Kuminga and Ben Simmons. that works on the ESPN trade machine. Who knows? Simmons comes off the books next year or he gets lit. Exile him to Sioux Falls if he does not reform. Kuminga takes Jimmies spot at the three. Jimmy and Steph…. Playoff magic in the West.
There is zero chance the nets are giving Jimmy Butler long-term deal. They just traded away all of their talent to get draft picks. Jimmy's also not walking away from his 52 mm player option.
100%, like the video said Jimmy's camp is probably just trying to manufacture leverage. The reality is no contender has the space to pay jimmy a max.
Stay in Miami. Trust.
Too much praise for Jimmy and not enough for Spoelstra. There are probably 4,5 coaches in NBA history that could achieved what he achieved in Miami with that lackluster roster. (I'm not saying that Jimmy doesn't deserve to be praised ok.)
I’m putting this one on pat Riley. we made no moves
Butler is too good of a player to give up on. If he goes back to Minnesota -> Ant with Jimmy??? Damn! Sent Towns and all your picks to Miami for Bulter, Right now! The Wolves will be champions, guaranteed!!!
It is really time to start the rebuild. Miami is just looking at being in that "Mushy Middle"
There is only 2 trades u do for Jimmy that make sense for the heat that’s either Jimmy for Wiggins and kuminga or Jimmy for Bi and another guy from no if not then nothing else makes sense that keeps the heat relevant and makes where ever Jimmy goes a contender
It's set for Jimmy to go to the Sixers 😮
Dude, if the Heat don't have Jimmy Butler.....they have another max contract to add to that same young core and......go right back to competing. As for right now, this is the best team Jimmy has ever had since he has been with the Heat.
Why can't you guys ever actually pay attention to this team and what it is doing? Please look into Pelle Larson, Josh Christopher, Keshad Johnson, Isaiah Stevens, and Kel'el Ware and realize that if the Heat can actually stay healthy for once, the entire league has a big problem on their hands that yet again, they will not see coming.
There is a reason Miami won the Summer League buddy, and it ain't Jaime Jacquez.
Whitesides numbers had nothing to do with spose system. He would have been able to put up those numbers anywhere averaging the minute he was averaging in Miami. The reason why the guy fell off is because right smack dab in the middle of his prime the NBA made a huge shift from the playstyle that he provided. It's the same thing with Andre Drummond it's the same thing with Greg Monroe.
I love Jimmy Butler. But he going to be trade. Around trade deadline. I don't know what team. But it makes sense with age and lack playing time.
Philly chose Ben Simmons and Brett Brown over Jimmy, not Tobias. Jimmy hated Ben and Brett. That’s why he left. Tobias was the next best option and their hands were tied
Jimmy and Herro will be trade bait this year. The Heat may have to think of letting him walk if they can’t get someone else to take him. The guy has missed one-fifth of his regular season games for the past few years. Heat are already eating Herro’s and Robinson’s salaries. At least they’re young and can still be squeezed to get maximum worth. Same doesn’t apply to Jimmy. Who knows what he will do since it’s a contract year. If Riley let LeBron walk he’ll do the same for Jimmy if and when the time comes.
Barely spending and money and still making deep playoffs run is literally their goal. They don’t want to “win” at a cost like the Celtics did
Brooklyn Nets are the Bermuda Triangle of the NBA.
Nets would be fine they already got Ben Butler can do no wrong there
They have had to go into another gear without Jimmy already because of his injuries.
I mean..... if he wants to sign to a contender and be willing to take 23M a year for 3 years with year 3 being a team option, we'll take him in OKC.
Miraculously, it was just published that the warriors are interested in him 😅😅😅
They were never a serious championship team with Butler as their top guy. Give me a break. Its more illustrative of how bad the eastern conference is than anything else. If Butler is gonna be your best player, then you'd need like 3 or 4 other all star level type players to have a real chance.
Went to the finals twice but ran into better teams
Four teams in two years tells you ALL you need to know. TROUBLE MAKER!!
He’s 35 that not the age of anyone I’m committing long-term to
he should go to the bucks
Jimmy teaming up with Ben again 😅 if that happens Jimmy gonna be on Ben’s tail 😂
“Duncan Robinson over me?”
- Jimmy Butler.
I love half of your videos, and hate the other half. It's presented like news, but it's rarely anything other than an opinion .
Butler for Ingram Incoming
To Lakers for reaves, rui, and a first rounder
Pat got Jimmy no help since he been there
Last run with Curry?
Let him go to contender I don’t want here about anything else he old , injuries idk the team sucks it’s beyond amazing Jimmy made it to finals in a 5 year span !! Chris Paul only got to one final his whole career… so trade him to a contender
He should go to the Lakers
what if they trade him and tank all season to get that 1st pick in the draft the dude who practiced in the olympics preparation
One season with butler missin the playoffs an everybody start hatin smh
They just don’t want to face facts and see that he is getting up in age And just wants money at this point
But every year in the playoffs Jamie's hurt
A team like the magic or kings are A Jimmy butler away from contending.
Should try to trade butler for mitchell
Butler to the suns for Beal and a first round pick
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