How many times does Ross Byrne have to be found out in attack at international level? Excuses of “well he was thrown in at the deep end” have been thrown about so many times at this point but where’s the excuse this week? Barring the scrums Ireland looked relatively comfortable, and dangerous in attack, until around 45 minutes in when Billy Burns left the pitch. At which point the attack became one dimensional and lifeless as Byrne repeatedly turned his hips completely sideways and shuffled the ball along the line 20m behind the gain line (for the second week in a row). He ensures anyone playing outside him has to do 10x more work when he isn’t served fast, front foot ball like he is at Leinster
Be fair to him, he's made of twigs. One look at the onrushing Georgian pack and he probably needed a cup of tea, a cold compress and a bit of a lie down.
Exactly. Surprised more people haven't mentioned that in their analysis. Ross Byrne gets excused when playing against England then not mentioned when Ireland scored only 3 points the whole time he was on against Georgia. He doesn't have it at all at international level. Sits too deep, gives passes too early and to players who are standing still. Never carries to the gain line.
I think Ross Byrne is a victim of this Irish mentality that "If they're good for Leinster, they must be international quality" and failing to understand some players can't step-up and have celling's and test Rugby so so much harder.
What he said is "Ireland have regressed so much in that area (the breakdown)".... I mean, they've obviously gotten much worse since 2018 but that's still an out-of-context headline.
Nothing to do with bs intangibles like "mentality" or "attitude". Quinlan and most commentators keep talking about these intangibles. The player's ability is not quite good enough at the moment and that's that. Always comes down to ability. We don't have players as good as Darcy, O'Driscoll, Heaslip, Kearney etc. We're in a cycle until the next good players come around.
This team is in serious trouble. If I had told any Irish fan that there would be a game between Ireland and Georgia and Ireland would only score 3 points in the second half then they would have laughed at me to my face. I personally wouldn’t have believed it myself. It’s silly of Quinny to go on and on about lacking the players needed to inject that x-factor because we are talking about Georgia, it’s not England or Wales that Ireland was playing. Big issues lads, big big issues.
Yeah. Fundamentally the players all looked to be hating their rugby. You gotta ask questions of the management and team culture any time that's the case.
Indeed, it's undeniable....we can pinpoint the exact timeframe of the decline to the announcement of Joe Smidth that he was leaving.....it's like the whole team lost its spark! It can not be understated how influential Joe was he was THE best thing to ever happen to Irish rugby......things have never nor do i believe will ever be the same!
France had 11 debutants at the weekend, yet put 5 tries on Italy, yet Ireland only score 2 against weaker opposition and 3 points in a second half. Something seriously not clicking at the moment. A Farrell needs a big 6 nations or he should be sacked.
@@leonardodavinci7425 yes country mile off taught he would come on in the last couple of years but he has regressed hes gone down in the pecking order.
Among many issues, how long is Farrell going to play Stockdale at 15, and put up with his constant errors and terrible defence in an effort to train him in? That juice is not worth the squeeze.
How long will it take for everyone to stop blaming Stockdale for everything and start pointing fingers at the rest of the team and the coaching staff?!
@@markdoherty4273 good point! Stockdale is just the whipping boy now! Why is no one looking at Farrell?? If the attitude of the team is off isn’t that his responsibility?
I did point at Farrell, in my question, for selecting him! Farrell is culpable for selecting him in a position he is not capable of playing, and Stockdale is responsible for his on-pitch errors and lack of concentration.
Say like it is... Farrell is not up to it....!!! It's pretty obvious...! Being a defensive coordinator is very different from being the head coach....!!!
I was really surprised Farrell didn’t get Lancaster as the attack coach. The Leinster lads really rate him and the rugby Leinster play is a joy to watch.
Yeah sure while you're at it why not get Graham Rowntree in from Munster to handle the forwards, then you've the whole English coaching lineup of 2015 reassembled in the Irish rugby camp. What could possibly go wrong there...
@Jim Yes they are? They literally walked through the group stages and got caught out by Sarries who are the only team that can beat them. If Leinster don’t win the European cup this season I would be truly and utterly shocked.
@Jim I think Leinster are stronger than they were in 2018. Stronger squad and more competition. None of the french clubs would beat Leinster they completely dispatched Toulouse in the 2019 semis.
Craig Casey and Harry Byrne the half back partnership of the future, also Frawley at 12 or Ringrose at 13. Need a playmaker at centre rather than two battering rams.
With due respects to the fine host: I'd lose the gridiron helmet on your shelf. As one who played into the collegiate level of "football", I will attest it has become nothing but an advertising vehicle. What can you say about a game with 50-60+ players, only a handful of whom ever touch the ball? I thank my lucky stars every day I was lucky enough, in the early 1990s, to discover rugby at the age of 19, and embark on an adventure that allowed me to experience true sportswo/manship as it is lived in many countries on three continents. How does gridiron campare? Not at all.
Realistically we’re we expecting a major upturn in performance and game plan?..... this coaching ticket was continuation of the joe era which was stale for his last 12 months.....bear in mind Farrell was announced when Ireland was in decent form before it went stale so was never a plan of upheaval
Some would even go so far as to point out that his announcement as Joe's successor co-incided with the team's form slump, almost as if the prospect of him taking over caused them to lose heart. Certainly the demoralised, dead-behind-the-eyes look of the players and their desultory form over the past 23 months suggest a team unenthused by their current management.
Agent Farrell and Catt is doing an outstanding job .Call it what it was..an embarrassment.For the first time ever i didnt bother watching the second half. Half the team werent under JoeS. So sloppyness is normal. The standards have dropped.
How many times does Ross Byrne have to be found out in attack at international level? Excuses of “well he was thrown in at the deep end” have been thrown about so many times at this point but where’s the excuse this week? Barring the scrums Ireland looked relatively comfortable, and dangerous in attack, until around 45 minutes in when Billy Burns left the pitch. At which point the attack became one dimensional and lifeless as Byrne repeatedly turned his hips completely sideways and shuffled the ball along the line 20m behind the gain line (for the second week in a row). He ensures anyone playing outside him has to do 10x more work when he isn’t served fast, front foot ball like he is at Leinster
Bit of stagnation. Ryan Baird, Frawley really players for future. Deegan. Some few players showing mileage. Leavy, furlong are big losses.Henshaw, larmour and Ringrose too. Ireland need work on fundamentals and they are fixable.
How does a guy who has played rugby league virtually all his life become manager of a tier 1 rugby union nation? At best he is a skills coach. Nothing more.
Again, like the french and English game..Frustrating!! Got ourselves into the position to score , but why on earth we continue to play confrontational rugby against confrontational packs I’ll never know. Lack of innovation, no playing to the space, and far too slow and inaccurate in getting the ball wide.
Based on what I've seen this autumn I cant see us doing much in the six nations and we definitely won't beat France or England at home so we're probably looking at 3 defeats maybe even 4
Horsepucky. The same players who in 2012 lost 60-0 to NZ came within 3 points of beating them a year later in the Aviva. Three years after that, they did beat them for the first time ever. What was the difference? Joe. Even at their best, few Irish players would've made it into a world XV. The lazy, snide tactic of blaming Schmidt alone for the team's woes, or downplaying the difference he made to the standard of Irish international rugby is just cover for the short-comings of the domestic game, and the slack competition of the PRO 14 and 6 Nations. In reality, with hindsight it's now clear what a sustained period of national sporting over-achievement the height of the Schmidt era really was.
@@Formakiwi yeah because the players were in their prime then. They are not any more, just like they weren't last year under Schmidt, when they got two beatings off England and had a dismal World Cup.
yep Ireland have lost the mojo. Its gone and they are going backwards, I do not blame the players, never have done so.. but something is missing, something is wrong, this not A WORLD CLASS SYSTEM , THE JOY HAS GONE, THE HIGH EXPECTATION, THE CONFIDENCE, THE WIN, THE CAMARADERIE, THE SPIRIT, THE UNITY, THE TRUST, RESPECT ,all DISSIPATED TO LOW LEVEL EMPTINESS, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? IF IT IS NOT THE PLAYERS, then where is the demise, fault? The blame is somewhere? This has only happen'd since the departure of JOE (mojo). REGRESSION is the right term , it is plain to see, . it is sad this happening. to a world beating team to this lameness, This is not what the players, the peoples, the world deserve, you deserve better, Clean out the failures namely management coaching trainers etc THAT CAME IN TO REPLACE TO JOE&team, this new set up=THEY ARE GUILTY OF TURNING INTO A LOW LEVEL PERFORMING SQUAD, DEMORALIZED, AND WRECKED.. A GREAT SET UP THAT WORKED WELL ,POSITIVE AND WINNING, REDUCED TO NOW? = SHAMBLES, GET THEM SORTED, REMOVE THE CLOWNS WHO HAVE CAUSED THIS DISASTER TO IRISH, RUGBY AND IRISH REPUTATION, Stop making excuses, stop defending fault and blame. stop pretending it is ok. . It is a total f--k up. accept it, acknowledge it, recognize it, and get fixed, If you refuse or fail to notice/ignore, choose not to see it then you will never get it back. .NOW DEMAND IT ,GET IT DONE,.
Lads! Everyone cool the jets, this is a MASSIVE rebuilding program going on and one that is going to take 3-4 years to complete. We have a transition of power from some of our old stalwarts into the new blood and its not going to be easy. I can see clearly what he is doing in regards to replacing Sexton. He is trying to take the oneness off one major key player and create 2/3 players in these positions who can come in and do a number when required a la Ford/Farrell. We are in the very very early days of reinvention and if you look at the south African team that won the world cup 2019 vs the team of 2015, you would have laughed at the suggestion they would even make it out of their group. Have faith in the project and our ability, we have some serious talent and ability coming through.
It doesn't matter how good a coach you have or how good your stadia are or how supportive the environment is you need to have top players. What goes around comes around. France and England have great squads, really good players. Can that be said about Ireland and Wales? Perhaps their players are just not good enough.
In the Australian NRL, there is a team from Auckland called the Warriors, whose home ground was named (for sponsorship reasons) Ericsson Stadium. The Warriors were often so completely dominated in home fixtures, that the crowd would frequently start leaving en masse long before the end. It became known as "the Ericsson walk". If Ireland's form doesn't improve over the next couple of seasons, we may well see a similar phenomena develop in Dublin, as took place towards the end of last year's 6 Nations humbling by England. We could call it the "Aviva Exodus", possibly.
As much as I like Farrell as a person, he isn't the coach we need to sort this out. We have 3 years or so to the next world cup. We need to rip this team and game plan apart and build them up with 2023 in mind. Front row is an issue (Porter and Furlong should be at LH and TH not competing with each other) back row can get there but needs a bit more physicality as they are getting dominated. Half backs need to be completely overhauled. Changing of the guard needs to happen now. Play a young team in 6 Nations, build the squad and develop a game plan that doesn't involve trying to bully the big teams because we don't have the players to do it
I have been at every wc quarter final loss since 2003. Im not sure a new manager would make any difference. We are in big trouble as far as next wc, resurgent Argentina, France and Australia. We will really struggle. Too much Leinster input too.
@@djharto4917 and we will certainly get over that hurdle by doing nothing 👍 I'm not going to bite on the Leinster comment. The issues are far bigger than that. Yeah maybe we will go out in another qf in 2023 but id rather we went out trying something new
@@sc1837 you can have the best system you want,but you need the players to play at there very best. and thats what them players a mentioned did week in week out.
@@toonarmy2979 Joe had a lot of very average players.. if you remember his first year he tried to play expansive rugby. Quickly found he did not have the skills to pull it off. Adopted the pressure rugby as you can pull it off with average players. System got found out, Ireland it turn were a bunch of average players who lost to Japan.
@@sc1837 also got noticeably surpassed in the conditioning stakes; England and Wales particularly invested huge efforts in bringing up their players physical standards in strength and fitness, Ireland not so much. If your gameplan relies on physical dominance or even parity, and suddenly your forward pack is going backwards at a rate of knots then it doesn't matter who your players or what their individual qualities are, you're basically done.
You can't make injuries a thing: in modern rugby you've gotta expect to have four or five guys injured most of the time. Ringrose, Addison and Carbery are all really talented players, but all really injury prone.
How many times does Ross Byrne have to be found out in attack at international level? Excuses of “well he was thrown in at the deep end” have been thrown about so many times at this point but where’s the excuse this week? Barring the scrums Ireland looked relatively comfortable, and dangerous in attack, until around 45 minutes in when Billy Burns left the pitch. At which point the attack became one dimensional and lifeless as Byrne repeatedly turned his hips completely sideways and shuffled the ball along the line 20m behind the gain line (for the second week in a row). He ensures anyone playing outside him has to do 10x more work when he isn’t served fast, front foot ball like he is at Leinster
Be fair to him, he's made of twigs. One look at the onrushing Georgian pack and he probably needed a cup of tea, a cold compress and a bit of a lie down.
Exactly. Surprised more people haven't mentioned that in their analysis. Ross Byrne gets excused when playing against England then not mentioned when Ireland scored only 3 points the whole time he was on against Georgia. He doesn't have it at all at international level. Sits too deep, gives passes too early and to players who are standing still. Never carries to the gain line.
He’ll be 4 choice at least at Leinster now
I’ve never rated him, even when playing for Leinster, plays far too deep
I think Ross Byrne is a victim of this Irish mentality that "If they're good for Leinster, they must be international quality" and failing to understand some players can't step-up and have celling's and test Rugby so so much harder.
I don't know but he shouldn't be called up for years. If he played for Connacht nobody would know his name.
What he said is "Ireland have regressed so much in that area (the breakdown)".... I mean, they've obviously gotten much worse since 2018 but that's still an out-of-context headline.
They always do it. Look at any Ronan OGara interview they do and you can see them fishing for bait headlines with the questions they ask
Welcome to the media. It’s not about the truth, it’s about the ad revenue
Nothing to do with bs intangibles like "mentality" or "attitude". Quinlan and most commentators keep talking about these intangibles. The player's ability is not quite good enough at the moment and that's that. Always comes down to ability. We don't have players as good as Darcy, O'Driscoll, Heaslip, Kearney etc. We're in a cycle until the next good players come around.
This team is in serious trouble. If I had told any Irish fan that there would be a game between Ireland and Georgia and Ireland would only score 3 points in the second half then they would have laughed at me to my face. I personally wouldn’t have believed it myself.
It’s silly of Quinny to go on and on about lacking the players needed to inject that x-factor because we are talking about Georgia, it’s not England or Wales that Ireland was playing.
Big issues lads, big big issues.
Yeah. Fundamentally the players all looked to be hating their rugby. You gotta ask questions of the management and team culture any time that's the case.
The after effects of the disastrous end to the Joe Schmidt era are still being felt.
Indeed, it's undeniable....we can pinpoint the exact timeframe of the decline to the announcement of Joe Smidth that he was leaving.....it's like the whole team lost its spark! It can not be understated how influential Joe was he was THE best thing to ever happen to Irish rugby......things have never nor do i believe will ever be the same!
It was an awful watch.
Don't see how we could have regressed from 2019.
France had 11 debutants at the weekend, yet put 5 tries on Italy, yet Ireland only score 2 against weaker opposition and 3 points in a second half. Something seriously not clicking at the moment. A Farrell needs a big 6 nations or he should be sacked.
I'd like to see Conor O'Sea as head coach.
What about Pat Lam?
After what he did to Italy I think can do a lot better, yep Lam. But tbh there's not going to be a manager change anyway.
Conor’s a good director of rugby but I think we could get a better head coach
@@seansean3481 jesus couldn't make a decent team out of Italy
@@browningmaxus5360 lol fair point, but himself might've managed to get a poxy win somehow 🙌😊
Ross Byrne ? Seriously.
Good player for pro 14 but not at international standard.
@@leonardodavinci7425 yes country mile off taught he would come on in the last couple of years but he has regressed hes gone down in the pecking order.
Pat Lam ,
Among many issues, how long is Farrell going to play Stockdale at 15, and put up with his constant errors and terrible defence in an effort to train him in? That juice is not worth the squeeze.
Stockdale is a big dude! If he gets better he could be a defensive juggernaut!
Stockdale not a 15, only a winger. He can't play any other position at a good level
How long will it take for everyone to stop blaming Stockdale for everything and start pointing fingers at the rest of the team and the coaching staff?!
@@markdoherty4273 good point! Stockdale is just the whipping boy now! Why is no one looking at Farrell?? If the attitude of the team is off isn’t that his responsibility?
I did point at Farrell, in my question, for selecting him! Farrell is culpable for selecting him in a position he is not capable of playing, and Stockdale is responsible for his on-pitch errors and lack of concentration.
Say like it is... Farrell is not up to it....!!! It's pretty obvious...! Being a defensive coordinator is very different from being the head coach....!!!
Sad to see such a poor display
Import second rate English coaches and you'll end up playing second rate English rugby.
@@Formakiwi absolutely
I was really surprised Farrell didn’t get Lancaster as the attack coach. The Leinster lads really rate him and the rugby Leinster play is a joy to watch.
Yeah sure while you're at it why not get Graham Rowntree in from Munster to handle the forwards, then you've the whole English coaching lineup of 2015 reassembled in the Irish rugby camp. What could possibly go wrong there...
@@Formakiwi I never said get Rowntree I just said get Lancaster for Catt.
@Jim What does his playing career have to do with coaching?
@Jim Yes they are? They literally walked through the group stages and got caught out by Sarries who are the only team that can beat them. If Leinster don’t win the European cup this season I would be truly and utterly shocked.
@Jim I think Leinster are stronger than they were in 2018. Stronger squad and more competition. None of the french clubs would beat Leinster they completely dispatched Toulouse in the 2019 semis.
STOP TYPING WHEN YOU'RE NOT ON MUTE
Craig Casey and Harry Byrne the half back partnership of the future, also Frawley at 12 or Ringrose at 13. Need a playmaker at centre rather than two battering rams.
Jesus Quinny loves repeating himself..
Quinny is fairly knowledgeable and knows what it takes to win at the highest level.
Failed to break them done, J Wept I watched a different match..Brutal..
With due respects to the fine host: I'd lose the gridiron helmet on your shelf. As one who played into the collegiate level of "football", I will attest it has become nothing but an advertising vehicle. What can you say about a game with 50-60+ players, only a handful of whom ever touch the ball? I thank my lucky stars every day I was lucky enough, in the early 1990s, to discover rugby at the age of 19, and embark on an adventure that allowed me to experience true sportswo/manship as it is lived in many countries on three continents. How does gridiron campare? Not at all.
Realistically we’re we expecting a major upturn in performance and game plan?..... this coaching ticket was continuation of the joe era which was stale for his last 12 months.....bear in mind Farrell was announced when Ireland was in decent form before it went stale so was never a plan of upheaval
Some would even go so far as to point out that his announcement as Joe's successor co-incided with the team's form slump, almost as if the prospect of him taking over caused them to lose heart. Certainly the demoralised, dead-behind-the-eyes look of the players and their desultory form over the past 23 months suggest a team unenthused by their current management.
Agent Farrell and Catt is doing an outstanding job
.Call it what it was..an embarrassment.For the first time ever i didnt bother watching the second half. Half the team werent under JoeS. So sloppyness is normal. The standards have dropped.
How many times does Ross Byrne have to be found out in attack at international level? Excuses of “well he was thrown in at the deep end” have been thrown about so many times at this point but where’s the excuse this week? Barring the scrums Ireland looked relatively comfortable, and dangerous in attack, until around 45 minutes in when Billy Burns left the pitch. At which point the attack became one dimensional and lifeless as Byrne repeatedly turned his hips completely sideways and shuffled the ball along the line 20m behind the gain line (for the second week in a row). He ensures anyone playing outside him has to do 10x more work when he isn’t served fast, front foot ball like he is at Leinster
Bit of stagnation. Ryan Baird, Frawley really players for future. Deegan. Some few players showing mileage. Leavy, furlong are big losses.Henshaw, larmour and Ringrose too. Ireland need work on fundamentals and they are fixable.
Any players outside Leinster you could name 🤣
@@inBODwetrust13 Leavy won't be near the team until next summer. Give the man time. He was out for over a year!
How does a guy who has played rugby league virtually all his life become manager of a tier 1 rugby union nation? At best he is a skills coach. Nothing more.
Mickey Harte was the man for them.
Again, like the french and English game..Frustrating!! Got ourselves into the position to score , but why on earth we continue to play confrontational rugby against confrontational packs I’ll never know. Lack of innovation, no playing to the space, and far too slow and inaccurate in getting the ball wide.
Based on what I've seen this autumn I cant see us doing much in the six nations and we definitely won't beat France or England at home so we're probably looking at 3 defeats maybe even 4
The team regressed under Schmidt, and the reason he did so well with them was he had an excellent crop in their prime, they are now past their best.
Horsepucky. The same players who in 2012 lost 60-0 to NZ came within 3 points of beating them a year later in the Aviva. Three years after that, they did beat them for the first time ever. What was the difference? Joe. Even at their best, few Irish players would've made it into a world XV. The lazy, snide tactic of blaming Schmidt alone for the team's woes, or downplaying the difference he made to the standard of Irish international rugby is just cover for the short-comings of the domestic game, and the slack competition of the PRO 14 and 6 Nations. In reality, with hindsight it's now clear what a sustained period of national sporting over-achievement the height of the Schmidt era really was.
@@Formakiwi yeah because the players were in their prime then. They are not any more, just like they weren't last year under Schmidt, when they got two beatings off England and had a dismal World Cup.
yep Ireland have lost the mojo. Its gone and they are going backwards, I do not blame the players, never have done so.. but something is missing, something is wrong, this not A WORLD CLASS SYSTEM , THE JOY HAS GONE, THE HIGH EXPECTATION, THE CONFIDENCE, THE WIN, THE CAMARADERIE, THE SPIRIT, THE UNITY, THE TRUST, RESPECT ,all DISSIPATED TO LOW LEVEL EMPTINESS, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? IF IT IS NOT THE PLAYERS, then where is the demise, fault? The blame is somewhere? This has only happen'd since the departure of JOE (mojo). REGRESSION is the right term , it is plain to see, . it is sad this happening. to a world beating team to this lameness, This is not what the players, the peoples, the world deserve, you deserve better, Clean out the failures namely management coaching trainers etc THAT CAME IN TO REPLACE TO JOE&team, this new set up=THEY ARE GUILTY OF TURNING INTO A LOW LEVEL PERFORMING SQUAD, DEMORALIZED, AND WRECKED.. A GREAT SET UP THAT WORKED WELL ,POSITIVE AND WINNING, REDUCED TO NOW? = SHAMBLES, GET THEM SORTED, REMOVE THE CLOWNS WHO HAVE CAUSED THIS DISASTER TO IRISH, RUGBY AND IRISH REPUTATION, Stop making excuses, stop defending fault and blame. stop pretending it is ok. . It is a total f--k up. accept it, acknowledge it, recognize it, and get fixed, If you refuse or fail to notice/ignore, choose not to see it then you will never get it back. .NOW DEMAND IT ,GET IT DONE,.
Lads! Everyone cool the jets, this is a MASSIVE rebuilding program going on and one that is going to take 3-4 years to complete. We have a transition of power from some of our old stalwarts into the new blood and its not going to be easy. I can see clearly what he is doing in regards to replacing Sexton. He is trying to take the oneness off one major key player and create 2/3 players in these positions who can come in and do a number when required a la Ford/Farrell. We are in the very very early days of reinvention and if you look at the south African team that won the world cup 2019 vs the team of 2015, you would have laughed at the suggestion they would even make it out of their group. Have faith in the project and our ability, we have some serious talent and ability coming through.
It doesn't matter how good a coach you have or how good your stadia are or how supportive the environment is you need to have top players. What goes around comes around. France and England have great squads, really good players. Can that be said about Ireland and Wales? Perhaps their players are just not good enough.
Off the Ball still think Ireland are 2nd best in the world, miles off
Off the wall it should be called
The experts are saying we are spoilt for choice in back row,time will tell.
Ireland have been regressing since the beginning of 2019.
Key men in key positions were never replaced.
Very ponderous speed from ruck ball. JGP was great against wales. Would like to see him back with Sexton.
In the Australian NRL, there is a team from Auckland called the Warriors, whose home ground was named (for sponsorship reasons) Ericsson Stadium. The Warriors were often so completely dominated in home fixtures, that the crowd would frequently start leaving en masse long before the end. It became known as "the Ericsson walk". If Ireland's form doesn't improve over the next couple of seasons, we may well see a similar phenomena develop in Dublin, as took place towards the end of last year's 6 Nations humbling by England. We could call it the "Aviva Exodus", possibly.
HUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge
As much as I like Farrell as a person, he isn't the coach we need to sort this out. We have 3 years or so to the next world cup. We need to rip this team and game plan apart and build them up with 2023 in mind. Front row is an issue (Porter and Furlong should be at LH and TH not competing with each other) back row can get there but needs a bit more physicality as they are getting dominated. Half backs need to be completely overhauled. Changing of the guard needs to happen now. Play a young team in 6 Nations, build the squad and develop a game plan that doesn't involve trying to bully the big teams because we don't have the players to do it
What’s the point they’ll only lose a quarter final game regardless of who was there. If Ross Byrne is our 10 we might not get out of the group
@@djharto4917 I think you've answered yourself there. The whole point is to avoid that qf loss
I have been at every wc quarter final loss since 2003. Im not sure a new manager would make any difference. We are in big trouble as far as next wc, resurgent Argentina, France and Australia. We will really struggle. Too much Leinster input too.
@@djharto4917 and we will certainly get over that hurdle by doing nothing 👍 I'm not going to bite on the Leinster comment. The issues are far bigger than that. Yeah maybe we will go out in another qf in 2023 but id rather we went out trying something new
jeepers having to find a 9 + 10 for the world cup!!
Casey and healy
Scotland are cracking their knuckles
That'll be a dour afternoon I expect.
The Cullen/Lancaster partnership is getting closer and closer.........
It was the Leinster players in particular who've been well below standard for Ireland. Do they try harder for Leinster than Ireland. Looks like it.
@@barryryan14 : They were all off colour
Yes BUT !, you have to break down a lot of the older bad habits to re build a winning team and that is what is happening
Sexton Murray o'Brien o'mahony and best were all in there prime thats why Joe done so well
No it's not... Joe had a great system
@@sc1837 bollocks
@@sc1837 you can have the best system you want,but you need the players to play at there very best. and thats what them players a mentioned did week in week out.
@@toonarmy2979 Joe had a lot of very average players.. if you remember his first year he tried to play expansive rugby. Quickly found he did not have the skills to pull it off.
Adopted the pressure rugby as you can pull it off with average players. System got found out, Ireland it turn were a bunch of average players who lost to Japan.
@@sc1837 also got noticeably surpassed in the conditioning stakes; England and Wales particularly invested huge efforts in bringing up their players physical standards in strength and fitness, Ireland not so much. If your gameplan relies on physical dominance or even parity, and suddenly your forward pack is going backwards at a rate of knots then it doesn't matter who your players or what their individual qualities are, you're basically done.
Bring back Zebo
As Flannery said it was like a posh school against a tough school.
You can't make injuries a thing: in modern rugby you've gotta expect to have four or five guys injured most of the time. Ringrose, Addison and Carbery are all really talented players, but all really injury prone.