I'm Samoan, I dont have tattoos myself. About the armbands and sleeves etc with Samoan motifs, I'm not worried who gets those. If it has meaning for you and you want one, why not? I see the armbands/sleeves as contemporary expressions of traditional motifs, not the real Mccoy. They have become a fashion accessory, which just makes me smh and think 'woteva'. The Pe'a and the Malu though, are another matter entirely. To me, they are traditional tatau which mark cultural rites of passage (as mentioned in this vid), they are not holiday mementos for tourists, nor are they fashion accessories for the wannabe cool. That doesn't necessarily mean they are for Samoans only. If a non-Samoan is part of a Samoan aiga/community and is fully engaged in the cultural obligations, then I think that its fine for them to get a pe'a/malu.
I am Samoan/Maori. I wear a moko kauae, and have the permission from my Samoan matae to wear the malu when I am ready. For Maori ta moko, I feel that this is about your genealogy - that's why Maori tattoo is contrasted by the art form of kirituhi(skin art). I feel that Samoans are less concerned, unless you are wearing the Pe'a, or the Malu, which I feel are similar to ta moko, and should be kept by those who have the permission and genealogy. That is my feeling.
Hi guys I'm Fijian and I don't know much about our history in tattoo but I have some knowledge given to me by my grandmother before she passed away, according to her Fijian tattoo was called "Na iqia" Tattoo artist were women. The Bati or Traditional Warriors are identified by their "Na iqia" (tattoo) also women was tattooed for protection but was outlawed by missionaries.she also told me that there were two beautiful twins that swam all the way from Samoa was also taught the art of "Na iqia" (tattoo) before they returned to Samoa. Well that's all I know about Fijian tattoo history. Vinaka.
I'm really sorry if it offends people, but I got a Polynesian style tattoo. A half sleeve. I've actually done my research and have talked to some Polynesians who were fine with it. I'm Mexican by the way, and I love studying the Polynesian culture.
+Gama “GV45” Vazquez Awesome! I think many if not most Polynesians won't be offended and will appreciate that you took the time to do the research. People like Rich Piana on the otherhand...
John Tuckey Haha Thank you. I'm actually getting the tat finished by a Samoan tattoo artist. And yeah, rich doesn't know any meaning to any of the symbols. He just thinks its cool
For Samoan tattoo's - it depends on their reasons for getting a sleeve, taulima, tauvae - IMO, that would be more _acceptable_ than getting a Pe'a and Malu nowadays (Although you would still get a side-eye). The *Pe'a and Malu* are truly sacred and has such a powerful cultural significance for Samoans - that is a no-go area for anyone who isn't affiliated with Samoa/Samoans.
I must say I am really and I mean REALLY happy that I found not only this video but your channel as well. First off, I've been thinking about getting a Polynesian tattoo for the past year and a half now, more specifically a Samoan tattoo. During this time I have been researching and diving into exactly what is the Samoan culture. Of course, the inevitable question came up and I asked myself...Do I have the right to adorn this art? So, it was comforting to hear Samoans basically say do your homework before getting the work done. And I fully understand, those who say not to have it at all. The spirituality and the story that the tattoo tells is what drew me initially and my research is what keeps me grounded. To be honest, I think for the past year I've been searching for a Samoans blessing to get the tattoo. So, the question I leave you with is this: Shouldn't the artist who are putting the Polynesian tattoos on people take more responsibility, as far as, weeding out those who just want it for show and those who are genuine about learning about the culture?
I agree with that as it's right of passage in the culture, I commented about Polynesians wearing braids and using the N word, so I can understand the point compeltely
Improv Cooking Sleeves are not traditional. I think we can compromise with that. But the Pe'a and Malu.....that's thousands of years of tradition. That has to be held sacred. Samoa mo Samoa.
Keneti Pese yes Samoans only but they also need to speak the Gagana fa'atupu the kingly way of speaking if they are inside a chief's Fale they should be able to speak the ancient way.
I'm part Hawaiian Portuguese and Irish. I think like they have mentioned Polynesian tattoos have a meaning for every single person. You don't have to be a certain race to be able to appreciate the culture and lifestyle but you do need to understand what the meaning behind the tattoo is and what it truly means to you. Just my opinion about certain tats that are specifically for your blood line, need to stay within the bloodline. No offense but I would be a little irritated if I saw a person with no Samoan blood with a "Malu" because like they said in the video its special and sacrid almost and those kind of tats should be kept within the bloodline and culture of Samoans.
Wow that’s crazy. I am Samoan and Guinea Bissau but I was born in Portugal & I agree with African you have said. As a Samoan “Malu” is very important to us and for others to have it, I see it as disrespect.
I love my Polynesians people. I am a African American and I live in Utah where there is a predominant race of Polynesian people. I dated a girl who was Micronesia. I know Polynesians have some heritage black Heritage inside them. I have always loved the Polynesian culture. The dances are very similar to African dances as well. I love my Polynesian peoples.
I'm Filipino and have just had some work done. My wife and I got married in Maui and I wanted something to represent life's journey. Prior to my tattoo journey the artist and I spoke about what my life had been like. His work captured all that is important to me. Values like the joining of family through marriage, my commitment to protect marriage and family, and my respect to my elders. Elders living and passed.
I can understand the viewpoint of this discussion . If I had the money I would prefer to come over there, and learn first hand what the tattoos mean. I would love to get one done but would take great care to understand what it meant and what it stood for.
I come from a family where my ancestors practiced tattoo In Fiji and told us the importance & how it has its valuable meaning which comes with customs.
I think your tattoos speaks volumes about your identity and culture...a Samoan, Maori, Hawaiian etc would know exactly where somebody comes from just by identifying with ones tattoo designs....I suppose it makes more sense nowadays, especially when half casts get confused with other nationalities about their background and culture.
this is a very enlightening discussion! after watching moana the Disney film, I started thinking about this. I've seen so many Vids on RUclips about this and I've come to the conclusion that, for me personally, I wouldn't get one unless I went to one of the Polynesian islands and experienced some of the culture first hand and went to a traditional tattoo artist out there and had a chat with them and got to know them and they could decide if it was OK, but also not just that, but I'd want them to decide what to do and where it should go on my body. almost all my tattoos tell a story about my journey through life and my connections to nature and animals etc so I feel like I'd be disrespecting Polynesian culture if I just went down the road and told my mate to so a design I'd seen online lol
Personally I don't like it, I know and have seen multiple people here in the states who get Samoan tattoos and have NO IDEA it was Samoan. They tell me it's Aztec, Asian, and Indian tribal. Our tattoos lose their identity when it gets spread to those who don't have ties to the cultural background that comes with the Pe'a, Malu and just any tattoos. People are getting it because they do find it a trend. Keep it in the race or for a somewhat honorable person who is GIVEN the tattoo by Polynesian people.
a lot of Native American tribals look much like Polynesian tattoos, so you could occasionally be the one who's mistaken and not them. Our tribals look similar, and it may have to do with the oldest North American bones found having rocking jaw which is an exclusively Polynesian trait.
For as long as I can remember I’ve always wanted to learn about any Polynesian culture I could. When I was little I’d always tell my parents that I was gonna move to Hawaii and learn all about their culture and become a hula girl, I was like 7 and that was my dream. Now in high school I still love to learn about the culture just because I find it so fascinating. And yes I’d love to get a Polynesian tattoo but not on some tattoo shop I’d want to get it from a Polynesian person. But I’m afraid that it’s disrespectful even if I’d know all about the culture because I’m not Polynesian. I still want to visit Hawaii but I’m gonna be realistic and say that won’t happen for years probably. (If anything in my response was offense I apologize and just tell me.)
Do you find it disrespectful if a Polynesian tattoo artists gives you one only after you first plan and talk it out, what it means and how it relates to you?
It doesnt bother me, I'd understand if someone did get offended. But I do cringe when someone says it "looks cool" opposed to saying "it's beautiful". The way someone describes it shows you intention. I just hope non-islanders research what it means and appreciate it.
For the pe'a, I think that it should only stay within the Samoan community. The pe'a I think should only be for a "Matai" who knows how to speak. It's a show of respect not only for our culture but also within our community standing. I think it is an insult to see someone not of "samoan" decent receiving a pe'a but know nothing off our culture.
I think you have to do your research if you are gonna get one. I have seen white, Hispanic that get poly tautau and I don't think they understand the significance, they only get it because it looks cool. I want to get a traditional Hawaiian tautau but I have to talk to the elders and get one that is relevant to me.
I am Samoan with Asian/Tokelauan/Tuvalu/Irish Blood. I got a Samoan tattoo around my right ankle, in my early twenties partly because I've had muscle cramps all my life Before getting the tattoo.
Tautua, tautua, tautua mo le aiga ma nu'u has been my understanding of what you really had to have under your belt and everything else would come naturally with it. E iloa le Samoa i lana tu, savali, ma lana tautala.. :)
I am Hawaiian and in my honest truth I agree with some of what they say, I believe if you appreciate the culture and understand it I think there is nothing wrong with it, but there are certain things that should be sacred to said person.
cylynt symphonies we Samoans don't mind if random people are wearing sleeves tattoo or chest tattoos however the pe'a and the malu tattoos should only be wearn by the high chiefs and those who knows how to speak the aganu'u Fa'asamoa and who knows about the fa'alupega, there are Two ways of speaking in Samoan the ancient kingly way and the general public way...
Ok but here's a question so I'm mixed (Long story nit gonna put much detail in it)I'm Mexican Puerto Rican and hawaiian and dominican etc but my mom was talking how we are part hawaiian like by 30% or w.e and she was saying how our acsentors with the natives and etc and im getting a ta moko soon and ik what the meaning it's gonna be will it be ok?
Im not a Polynesian but I do want a Polynesian tattoo on my lower arm, and a lot of people tell me go ahead as long as you respect the culture and the other tells me not to because it’s not our culture... I always wanted one because it’s so amazing and beautiful and really am learning the culture..
Im a Maori boy, I don't actually have any yet. But I have no problem with other races having anything, especially if they are respectful and have taken the time to learn about it. It's their money and their body, they have every right to do what they want, and we have no right to stop them.
Ain't that ironic (Non-Polynesian) But I am native American from Navajo tribe look 1:27 his hat. Oh btw I don't if my opinion matters but I guess on the tattos as like they understand the meaning and the culture.
The English got the word Tattoo from Tatau Polynesia in 1700 but 200 years before that, the Spaniards called Philippines "La Isla de los Pintados" or "Island of the Painted Ones" when they landed in our shores in 1500 due to all Filipinos having tattoo from head to foot. There's a book that was written in 1600 called "BOXER CODEX" currently being preserved in INDIANA University USA. It shows the Tattoo Pattern of early Filipinos with similar design to those of Polynesian. Go check it out! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Codex#mediaviewer/File:Visayans_1.png In Polynesia they call it Tatau, Filipinos call it Tatak - meaning to imprint or mark. There's also the first Filipino native that was taken to England as a slave name "Prince Giolo" in 1690. Prince Giolo had a tattoo from head to foot similar design to those of Polynesia. blogs.ucl.ac.uk/researchers-in-museums/2013/05/27/the-tragic-tale-of-prince-giolo/ There's a Movie Series called "AMAYA" showing how early life of Filipinos before the Spaniard came. ruclips.net/video/3nhbFFGu_uA/видео.html Today, there's only few Filipinos practicing Tribal Tattoo due to Catholic Religion banning tattoo. However, the patterns are still being use in our Tribal clothing during Tribal gatherings and celebrations. ruclips.net/video/0ZxZjLZA9-0/видео.html Imagine if White People did not come to Philippines. I think it would have been a very rich & beautiful Culture.
There is no question that these poly tats all tell a story & have a meaning. Some Asians Indians I know that were born in the South Pacific & now reside overseas & have poly tats as a memory & love or reminder of where they were brought up or born, some still have family in the 🌴 islands. So regardless of race or skin colour as long as it means something to the individual.
The thing about polynesians and Pacific Islanders is we give the credit to others...why dont we just trademark the motifs and keep it for us...who ever can get it...but the rights and traditions should be for Pasifika....the pe'a should be able only be Samoan....hands down
I saw a young girl in KRD with a Malu. I was disgusted. she was drunk as, and behaving inappropriately, and her malu was exposed as her outfit was short. I am an old school and I don't mind young Samoan women wearing them, but with respect.
White guy of Scottish descent. I think it’s flattering to see people of non Scottish descent wearing tartans and kilts. It is helpful if they know the origins but still nice to see an appreciation of the beauty, even if they don’t understand it.
I'm black but I respect Polynesian culture, is it fine for me to get a tribal half body suit as long as I understand the story and the symbols on my body?
It's awkward to post here because I'm a Filipino-American but interested in the Polynesian Tattoo. Who determines the design or interpretation you will get after you tell your story to get the meaning of your tattoos? Does every tattoo artist layout the tattoo you described on paper before it gets put on to your skin?
There are many Filipinos that have polynesian tattoos... some for art and some actually engage in the culture whether they dance or play music... i myself have a leg tat that incorporates both filipino designs and polynesians designs... i play drums and sing in hawaiian, tahitian and filipino (tagalog)... so get something thats meaningful to you... it is no different from someone who is not Asian that wants to get chinese or Japanese characters.... they should at least know the culture...
Oh man this was interesting, makes me more excited in designing my sleeve and getting it inked, FOR LIFE!!!...Though it takes a lot for me to laugh but what a great handful of down to earth familia faces as your panel... Oh man awesome, polyswag #tattoo "tattoo your mouth before you tattoo your body"
The Pe'a belongs to Samoan men who can speak and live in the Samoan community PERIOD. The Malu belong to Samoan women who also speak and are in the Samoan community. I think it should also be showed appropriately.
As an afakasi living in Europe, I'm not cool with Europeans getting Samoan tribal. It comforts me to see it because I miss home, but it angers me to see something that is a right of passage be used by those who don't have the faintest clue what it means to be Samoan, grow up as a Samoan, and live as a Samoan. 👍🏼💕
We have a tartan registry, where you can actually design your own family tartan. I think that we all need to be taught more about Polynesian culture, we simply never learned about Samoa, or any Polynesian cultural traditions at school. We learn about major religions, but not major cultures, it's strange.
Hey there, fellow ink enthusiasts! As a proud German with a deep appreciation for Polynesian art, I'm all for non-Polynesian peeps embracing Polynesian tattoos. Let me tell you why: Tattoos are like a canvas for self-expression, and Polynesian tattoos have this incredible beauty and symbolism that can speak to anyone, no matter their background. By getting a Polynesian-inspired tattoo, I'm not only honoring the rich heritage of Polynesian people, but I'm also celebrating the global fusion of art and culture. My tattoo incorporates symbols from various cultures all over the world, including Polynesia, but it's completely in Maori style. It's like creating a bridge between different traditions and embracing the idea of unity in diversity. It's my way of saying, "Hey, I respect and admire the cultural contributions of Polynesian people, and I'm all about promoting cross-cultural understanding." It's essential to approach this with genuine respect and understanding, though. Cultural appreciation is the name of the game, not appropriation. I've taken the time to learn about the meanings and significance of each symbol I've incorporated, and it's like wearing a beautiful story on my skin. We live in a global village, and I believe that by embracing Polynesian tattoos, we can break down cultural barriers and celebrate the beauty of different traditions coming together. It's about fostering a sense of unity and mutual respect among cultures. So, as a proud German with a passion for Polinesian tattoo art, I'm all in for non-Polynesian folks rocking these tattoos with respect, love, and understanding. Let's celebrate the richness of cultures and appreciate the art that connects us all! 🌍🌺🤙
I just found that I have Melanesian blood. However, I was born and raised in the states and have no ties to the culture at this point. I am doing lots of research and whatnot about it tho. Would it be disrespectful for me to get a tattoo depicting my heritage even tho culturally I'm just a "Black American?"
I love you guys show it put smile and a laugh out of it, since your topics its about tattoos and where its from well we all agree its from (fiti) but not (fiji) as you know fiti is one of Samoan island it's in Manua pleasa tattoo is not from fiji.
I love the way it looks and I respect tattoos with meaning and want something to represent my ancestors, my loyalty, and a warriors spirit. Should I be allowed to wear a arm sleeve?
I can understand uneducated people saying that it is fine for non-Samoans to get Samoan markings. Jokes aside; yes no one owns the the patterns specifically. Nate is correct, the Pe’a itself in its full form is inherently carries the obligation of service. The Pe’a connects a man to his family.
I'm Maori and have no Ta Moko, which isn't really traditional Ta Moko BUT before I get the Mahi done I would like a pacific design integrated into my Ta Moko to pay respect to the originators Fiji/Samoa where ever it originated.
You see I'm Samoan and the only thing I'mma say is that to have a Pe'a or a Malu is a birth right. Those are the marking of OUR people. I'll say the only exception would be if you were born into Foster Care and was raised in our Samoan culture from the beginning, then I would say that you earned your markings and you identify yourself as a true Samoan.
I think its pretty cool that some people are so engaged in a culture that isn't theres that they want to have a permanent reminder. I think its ignorant when people get pasifika tattoos if they don't care for the culture.
i personally am a 16 Polynesian/Hawaiian but my mother is white and will not let me get a Niho Niho for protection she doesn't understand what it means and when i try to explain it she won't listen like i would understand her saying no to a Pawehe design i haven't earned it yet but i dont know what to do
I have a question for you guys, if you can help.. I'm Micronesian, but grew up being connected with the Tahitian and Maori cultures, and being somewhat connected with the Hawaiian and Samoan cultures.. with the permission of my Polynesian family, is it offensive for me to get one? I know Moko isn't okay for me to get, because I didn't grow up in Aotearoa, and I don't belong to a Maori tribe. Any answers? :) Thank you!
''ARM BANDS''.....My people have worm traditional ARM BANDS call GANA! I am a MELANESIAN from PNG and MOTUAN RACE! I believe our South Pacific TATTOOS should be preserved within the PACIFIC COUNTRIES...I have MOTUAN REVAREVA (Motuan Tattoos) and I live in SOUTH AFRICA...People mistake my Tattoos as New Zealand TAUTAU..And have come across many South Africans, Black and White with POLYNESIAN TATTOOS on them and I ask where they from? Their reply is " Oh, it looks COOL so I had it (TAUTAU)"..
in Fiji, our forefathers tell stories of how girls were given a "gia" or "qia"(Fijian word for tattoo). there say this was done to protect there virginity. it was one of the many traditional practices that was later forebiden by the Tui Viti at that time (along with cannibalism n etc) due to the influence of Christianity in Fiji..
As a part hawaiian I've done some research and my opinion I think you can get polynesian tattoos as long its by a polynesian person and a polynesian person only and you should know what the tattoo means and have a powerful meaning for it💯 and the tattoos you shouldn't get you shouldn't get a motaora or moko kauae or a puhoro and a pe'a or malu or some kākau my opinion.(sorry for bad grammar) Just get it done by a polynesian person only know what it means and have a powerful meaning for it and know what you cant get on your body
I understand the controversy as an African American I used to feel some type of way when Polynesians use the N word or wear cornrows, I just think the world is getting smaller and we need to be more open minded. I would never want something so personal like a Pe'a or chin tatoo but a small homage to the culture as long as one doesn't over do it should be OK
I feel like if you're gonna get something contemporary it's okay but if you're going for something that's traditional traditional like a malu/ pe'a/ waima/ etc you SHOULD KNOW THE MEANING OF IT AND VALUE THAT IT CARRIES.
I believe tattooing did not come from Fiti as in (Fiji) it came from Fiti as in fiti-uta in Manu’a which is the birth place of all of Samoa. Either way love my culture and our people ❤️🤙🏽
ok I am nowhere near Polynesian what so ever but I am captivated by the culture it interests me so much I wish to learn much more about the culture and all the meanings to each symbol and not if but when I get a Polynesian tattoo it will be the traditional way I wouldn't want it any other way no matter how much more painfull it is and yes I know that each symbol has a meaning to it and all of the symbols in a tattoo are who you are I just wish to respect the culture and its people you all captivate me
I feel like these topics are more authentic if answered by the elders who serve and know what the meaning of these sacred cultural treasures are. No offence but these guys answers are not really that meaningful.
There a certain tatau that people outside of that ethnicity should never get for example Samoan - Pe'a & Malu Maori - Moko Kauae and Ta Moko I myself can't fully speak my language and would feel it be disrespectful to my ancestors to ever get any sacred Tatau or Moko. Untill I learn every aspect of each design and to speak my language fully then I will carry my Ancestors on my body.
I recon like palangi's should get them if they understand it unless it's something like a pe'a coz like I met some French chick with a malu at the beach and she had it done with a needle
I'm a tattoo artist I'll work with you on your story and use the preys to go with them msg me I didn't get your name it was the lady with the curly hair
Samoans are a mixed race from colonials like the Germans,British,Chinese and French who interacted with the local women. So I have no problem with palagi's having a Pe'a.
islanders n maoris get Celtic tribal patterns too so anyone can get inked with ours respectfully. as for a pe'a, if another race gets it, all goods. but if a samoan gets it without a title, thats a no go. must be a matai in my opinion
I would say people should be able to get a tattoo whether it means something or not. I don't think a tattoo needs to have a meaning, if I get a hulk pose on my back, it can just mean I'm a fan of Marvel Hulk. I think for the most part people are inspired by styles even designs whether it's from their culture or not. Are the Eastern artists angry that The Last Air Bender is inspired by Eastern animation when created by Western artists? Hell are The English angry that their language is spoken by almost every country on this planet and creating words along the way?
Non Poly people having sleeves? Acceptable, as long as they know the culture and know what the symbols mean and acknowledge what culture the tatau is from Non Poly people with the Pe'a or the Malu?..... NO.... Off limits, unless they've earned the right to have them.... like she said "it's a right of passage"
I would say to get what you want on your body. Real recognize real and if you are just a phony, you will be called out immediately and will have to live with it.
Tee yes that's true Tonga is the younger brother of Samoa that's the truth, Tui Manu'a Tui Atua Tui A'ana Tui Fiti Tui Tonga all these ancient kings are sons of Tagaloa lagi(Polynesian God) the high chief...
Proud Tongan!...My problem with it is that most polys I've met don't know the meaning of it themselves and get it just cause they're poly.
I'm Samoan, I dont have tattoos myself. About the armbands and sleeves etc with Samoan motifs, I'm not worried who gets those. If it has meaning for you and you want one, why not? I see the armbands/sleeves as contemporary expressions of traditional motifs, not the real Mccoy. They have become a fashion accessory, which just makes me smh and think 'woteva'.
The Pe'a and the Malu though, are another matter entirely. To me, they are traditional tatau which mark cultural rites of passage (as mentioned in this vid), they are not holiday mementos for tourists, nor are they fashion accessories for the wannabe cool.
That doesn't necessarily mean they are for Samoans only. If a non-Samoan is part of a Samoan aiga/community and is fully engaged in the cultural obligations, then I think that its fine for them to get a pe'a/malu.
Facts..💯
Can this come back? I love these conversations within the community cuz no one talks about them and I feel like they should be talked about.
I am Samoan/Maori. I wear a moko kauae, and have the permission from my Samoan matae to wear the malu when I am ready. For Maori ta moko, I feel that this is about your genealogy - that's why Maori tattoo is contrasted by the art form of kirituhi(skin art). I feel that Samoans are less concerned, unless you are wearing the Pe'a, or the Malu, which I feel are similar to ta moko, and should be kept by those who have the permission and genealogy. That is my feeling.
At 9:31 " it'll be very good for tourism" 😂😂😂
Hi guys I'm Fijian and I don't know much about our history in tattoo but I have some knowledge given to me by my grandmother before she passed away, according to her Fijian tattoo was called "Na iqia" Tattoo artist were women. The Bati or Traditional Warriors are identified by their "Na iqia" (tattoo) also women was tattooed for protection but was outlawed by missionaries.she also told me that there were two beautiful twins that swam all the way from Samoa was also taught the art of "Na iqia" (tattoo) before they returned to Samoa. Well that's all I know about Fijian tattoo history. Vinaka.
I'm really sorry if it offends people, but I got a Polynesian style tattoo. A half sleeve. I've actually done my research and have talked to some Polynesians who were fine with it. I'm Mexican by the way, and I love studying the Polynesian culture.
That's perfectly fine.
+Gama “GV45” Vazquez Awesome! I think many if not most Polynesians won't be offended and will appreciate that you took the time to do the research. People like Rich Piana on the otherhand...
John Tuckey Haha Thank you. I'm actually getting the tat finished by a Samoan tattoo artist. And yeah, rich doesn't know any meaning to any of the symbols. He just thinks its cool
Why not get a Mexican tattoo or an Aztec one? Which are the original Mexicans.
MrKockNoker I am getting an Aztec tattoo as well. I just truly love the Samoan culture
For Samoan tattoo's - it depends on their reasons for getting a sleeve, taulima, tauvae - IMO, that would be more _acceptable_ than getting a Pe'a and Malu nowadays (Although you would still get a side-eye).
The *Pe'a and Malu* are truly sacred and has such a powerful cultural significance for Samoans - that is a no-go area for anyone who isn't affiliated with Samoa/Samoans.
I’m def gonna get those then
I must say I am really and I mean REALLY happy that I found not only this video but your channel as well.
First off, I've been thinking about getting a Polynesian tattoo for the past year and a half now, more specifically a Samoan tattoo. During this time I have been researching and diving into exactly what is the Samoan culture. Of course, the inevitable question came up and I asked myself...Do I have the right to adorn this art?
So, it was comforting to hear Samoans basically say do your homework before getting the work done. And I fully understand, those who say not to have it at all.
The spirituality and the story that the tattoo tells is what drew me initially and my research is what keeps me grounded. To be honest, I think for the past year I've been searching for a Samoans blessing to get the tattoo. So, the question I leave you with is this: Shouldn't the artist who are putting the Polynesian tattoos on people take more responsibility, as far as, weeding out those who just want it for show and those who are genuine about learning about the culture?
Pe'a and Malu.....Samoans only. Samoan blood line only
Keneti Pese I agree. How about someone with a sleeve who knows the meaning of the symbols and the symbols represent his/her life until that point?
I agree with that as it's right of passage in the culture, I commented about Polynesians wearing braids and using the N word, so I can understand the point compeltely
Improv Cooking Sleeves are not traditional. I think we can compromise with that. But the Pe'a and Malu.....that's thousands of years of tradition. That has to be held sacred. Samoa mo Samoa.
Ua kele Samoa gao le o e ka lakou pe'a e sikaili ai
Keneti Pese yes Samoans only but they also need to speak the Gagana fa'atupu the kingly way of speaking if they are inside a chief's Fale they should be able to speak the ancient way.
I'm part Hawaiian Portuguese and Irish. I think like they have mentioned Polynesian tattoos have a meaning for every single person. You don't have to be a certain race to be able to appreciate the culture and lifestyle but you do need to understand what the meaning behind the tattoo is and what it truly means to you. Just my opinion about certain tats that are specifically for your blood line, need to stay within the bloodline. No offense but I would be a little irritated if I saw a person with no Samoan blood with a "Malu" because like they said in the video its special and sacrid almost and those kind of tats should be kept within the bloodline and culture of Samoans.
Wow that’s crazy. I am Samoan and Guinea Bissau but I was born in Portugal & I agree with African you have said. As a Samoan “Malu” is very important to us and for others to have it, I see it as disrespect.
I love my Polynesians people. I am a African American and I live in Utah where there is a predominant race of Polynesian people. I dated a girl who was Micronesia. I know Polynesians have some heritage black Heritage inside them. I have always loved the Polynesian culture. The dances are very similar to African dances as well. I love my Polynesian peoples.
All of humanity originated in Africa.
I'm Filipino and have just had some work done. My wife and I got married in Maui and I wanted something to represent life's journey. Prior to my tattoo journey the artist and I spoke about what my life had been like. His work captured all that is important to me. Values like the joining of family through marriage, my commitment to protect marriage and family, and my respect to my elders. Elders living and passed.
I can understand the viewpoint of this discussion . If I had the money I would prefer to come over there, and learn first hand what the tattoos mean. I would love to get one done but would take great care to understand what it meant and what it stood for.
TOA!
I come from a family where my ancestors practiced tattoo In Fiji and told us the importance & how it has its valuable meaning which comes with customs.
I think your tattoos speaks volumes about your identity and culture...a Samoan, Maori, Hawaiian etc would know exactly where somebody comes from just by identifying with ones tattoo designs....I suppose it makes more sense nowadays, especially when half casts get confused with other nationalities about their background and culture.
this is a very enlightening discussion! after watching moana the Disney film, I started thinking about this. I've seen so many Vids on RUclips about this and I've come to the conclusion that, for me personally, I wouldn't get one unless I went to one of the Polynesian islands and experienced some of the culture first hand and went to a traditional tattoo artist out there and had a chat with them and got to know them and they could decide if it was OK, but also not just that, but I'd want them to decide what to do and where it should go on my body. almost all my tattoos tell a story about my journey through life and my connections to nature and animals etc so I feel like I'd be disrespecting Polynesian culture if I just went down the road and told my mate to so a design I'd seen online lol
Personally I don't like it, I know and have seen multiple people here in the states who get Samoan tattoos and have NO IDEA it was Samoan. They tell me it's Aztec, Asian, and Indian tribal. Our tattoos lose their identity when it gets spread to those who don't have ties to the cultural background that comes with the Pe'a, Malu and just any tattoos. People are getting it because they do find it a trend. Keep it in the race or for a somewhat honorable person who is GIVEN the tattoo by Polynesian people.
a lot of Native American tribals look much like Polynesian tattoos, so you could occasionally be the one who's mistaken and not them.
Our tribals look similar, and it may have to do with the oldest North American bones found having rocking jaw which is an exclusively Polynesian trait.
For as long as I can remember I’ve always wanted to learn about any Polynesian culture I could. When I was little I’d always tell my parents that I was gonna move to Hawaii and learn all about their culture and become a hula girl, I was like 7 and that was my dream. Now in high school I still love to learn about the culture just because I find it so fascinating. And yes I’d love to get a Polynesian tattoo but not on some tattoo shop I’d want to get it from a Polynesian person. But I’m afraid that it’s disrespectful even if I’d know all about the culture because I’m not Polynesian. I still want to visit Hawaii but I’m gonna be realistic and say that won’t happen for years probably. (If anything in my response was offense I apologize and just tell me.)
Do you find it disrespectful if a Polynesian tattoo artists gives you one only after you first plan and talk it out, what it means and how it relates to you?
I’m Togan. As long they like their tattoo I’m cool with it
It doesnt bother me, I'd understand if someone did get offended. But I do cringe when someone says it "looks cool" opposed to saying "it's beautiful". The way someone describes it shows you intention. I just hope non-islanders research what it means and appreciate it.
For the pe'a, I think that it should only stay within the Samoan community. The pe'a I think should only be for a "Matai" who knows how to speak. It's a show of respect not only for our culture but also within our community standing. I think it is an insult to see someone not of "samoan" decent receiving a pe'a but know nothing off our culture.
Just a question....so if a non samoan gets a pe ' a but understands the origin and respects the meaning of it,would you still see it as an insult?
+BOOYAA45 Search the Pe'a on Wikipedia. A few non samoans many years ago did get them.
In ancient Sāmoa, wearing a Malu and Malofie, you were no longer considered naked.
I think you have to do your research if you are gonna get one. I have seen white, Hispanic that get poly tautau and I don't think they understand the significance, they only get it because it looks cool. I want to get a traditional Hawaiian tautau but I have to talk to the elders and get one that is relevant to me.
I am Samoan with Asian/Tokelauan/Tuvalu/Irish Blood. I got a Samoan tattoo around my right ankle, in my early twenties partly because I've had muscle cramps all my life Before getting the tattoo.
I have a problem with non-poly's getting the Pe'a. Besides that i believe they should know what the tat means before getting it
Hi i'm filipino and my father is samoan
Tautua, tautua, tautua mo le aiga ma nu'u has been my understanding of what you really had to have under your belt and everything else would come naturally with it. E iloa le Samoa i lana tu, savali, ma lana tautala.. :)
I am Hawaiian and in my honest truth I agree with some of what they say, I believe if you appreciate the culture and understand it I think there is nothing wrong with it, but there are certain things that should be sacred to said person.
cylynt symphonies we Samoans don't mind if random people are wearing sleeves tattoo or chest tattoos however the pe'a and the malu tattoos should only be wearn by the high chiefs and those who knows how to speak the aganu'u Fa'asamoa and who knows about the fa'alupega, there are Two ways of speaking in Samoan the ancient kingly way and the general public way...
Ok but here's a question so I'm mixed (Long story nit gonna put much detail in it)I'm Mexican Puerto Rican and hawaiian and dominican etc but my mom was talking how we are part hawaiian like by 30% or w.e and she was saying how our acsentors with the natives and etc and im getting a ta moko soon and ik what the meaning it's gonna be will it be ok?
Im not a Polynesian but I do want a Polynesian tattoo on my lower arm, and a lot of people tell me go ahead as long as you respect the culture and the other tells me not to because it’s not our culture... I always wanted one because it’s so amazing and beautiful and really am learning the culture..
Im a Maori boy, I don't actually have any yet. But I have no problem with other races having anything, especially if they are respectful and have taken the time to learn about it. It's their money and their body, they have every right to do what they want, and we have no right to stop them.
Kao e hoa, Tamoko only for Maori WHO know their whakapapa and tūpuna. Just like pe'e and malu for samoans.
Great contribution thanks
Ain't that ironic (Non-Polynesian) But I am native American from Navajo tribe look 1:27 his hat. Oh btw I don't if my opinion matters but I guess on the tattos as like they understand the meaning and the culture.
That's a hat..a hat..its not the same as engraving yourself with permanent ink.. (Also isn't that use to be a symbol for a sports team?)..
Tf? That’s literally a sports team logo. (Cleveland Indians)
The English got the word Tattoo from Tatau Polynesia in 1700 but 200 years before that, the Spaniards called Philippines "La Isla de los Pintados" or "Island of the Painted Ones" when they landed in our shores in 1500 due to all Filipinos having tattoo from head to foot.
There's a book that was written in 1600 called "BOXER CODEX" currently being preserved in INDIANA University USA. It shows the Tattoo Pattern of early Filipinos with similar design to those of Polynesian. Go check it out!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Codex#mediaviewer/File:Visayans_1.png
In Polynesia they call it Tatau, Filipinos call it Tatak - meaning to imprint or mark.
There's also the first Filipino native that was taken to England as a slave name "Prince Giolo" in 1690. Prince Giolo had a tattoo from head to foot similar design to those of Polynesia.
blogs.ucl.ac.uk/researchers-in-museums/2013/05/27/the-tragic-tale-of-prince-giolo/
There's a Movie Series called "AMAYA" showing how early life of Filipinos before the Spaniard came.
ruclips.net/video/3nhbFFGu_uA/видео.html
Today, there's only few Filipinos practicing Tribal Tattoo due to Catholic Religion banning tattoo. However, the patterns are still being use in our Tribal clothing during Tribal gatherings and celebrations.
ruclips.net/video/0ZxZjLZA9-0/видео.html
Imagine if White People did not come to Philippines. I think it would have been a very rich & beautiful Culture.
There is no question that these poly tats all tell a story & have a meaning. Some Asians Indians I know that were born in the South Pacific & now reside overseas & have poly tats as a memory & love or reminder of where they were brought up or born, some still have family in the 🌴 islands. So regardless of race or skin colour as long as it means something to the individual.
The thing about polynesians and Pacific Islanders is we give the credit to others...why dont we just trademark the motifs and keep it for us...who ever can get it...but the rights and traditions should be for Pasifika....the pe'a should be able only be Samoan....hands down
I saw a young girl in KRD with a Malu. I was disgusted. she was drunk as, and behaving inappropriately, and her malu was exposed as her outfit was short. I am an old school and I don't mind young Samoan women wearing them, but with respect.
White guy of Scottish descent. I think it’s flattering to see people of non Scottish descent wearing tartans and kilts. It is helpful if they know the origins but still nice to see an appreciation of the beauty, even if they don’t understand it.
I'm micronesian and I'm using my mom's account and my family has our own tattoo design but it's like a Polynesians but different.
I'm black but I respect Polynesian culture, is it fine for me to get a tribal half body suit as long as I understand the story and the symbols on my body?
And I'm proud to be poly
It's awkward to post here because I'm a Filipino-American but interested in the Polynesian Tattoo. Who determines the design or interpretation you will get after you tell your story to get the meaning of your tattoos? Does every tattoo artist layout the tattoo you described on paper before it gets put on to your skin?
There are many Filipinos that have polynesian tattoos... some for art and some actually engage in the culture whether they dance or play music... i myself have a leg tat that incorporates both filipino designs and polynesians designs... i play drums and sing in hawaiian, tahitian and filipino (tagalog)... so get something thats meaningful to you...
it is no different from someone who is not Asian that wants to get chinese or Japanese characters.... they should at least know the culture...
Oh man this was interesting, makes me more excited in designing my sleeve and getting it inked, FOR LIFE!!!...Though it takes a lot for me to laugh but what a great handful of down to earth familia faces as your panel... Oh man awesome, polyswag #tattoo "tattoo your mouth before you tattoo your body"
The Pe'a belongs to Samoan men who can speak and live in the Samoan community PERIOD. The Malu belong to Samoan women who also speak and are in the Samoan community. I think it should also be showed appropriately.
As an afakasi living in Europe, I'm not cool with Europeans getting Samoan tribal. It comforts me to see it because I miss home, but it angers me to see something that is a right of passage be used by those who don't have the faintest clue what it means to be Samoan, grow up as a Samoan, and live as a Samoan. 👍🏼💕
Here a question to all Tribal Tattoo experts. Which Island was the first to be discovered with Tribal tattoo from Head to Foot?
I want to see Teuila's tattoos.. Lol..
We have a tartan registry, where you can actually design your own family tartan. I think that we all need to be taught more about Polynesian culture, we simply never learned about Samoa, or any Polynesian cultural traditions at school. We learn about major religions, but not major cultures, it's strange.
Hey there, fellow ink enthusiasts! As a proud German with a deep appreciation for Polynesian art, I'm all for non-Polynesian peeps embracing Polynesian tattoos. Let me tell you why:
Tattoos are like a canvas for self-expression, and Polynesian tattoos have this incredible beauty and symbolism that can speak to anyone, no matter their background. By getting a Polynesian-inspired tattoo, I'm not only honoring the rich heritage of Polynesian people, but I'm also celebrating the global fusion of art and culture.
My tattoo incorporates symbols from various cultures all over the world, including Polynesia, but it's completely in Maori style. It's like creating a bridge between different traditions and embracing the idea of unity in diversity. It's my way of saying, "Hey, I respect and admire the cultural contributions of Polynesian people, and I'm all about promoting cross-cultural understanding."
It's essential to approach this with genuine respect and understanding, though. Cultural appreciation is the name of the game, not appropriation. I've taken the time to learn about the meanings and significance of each symbol I've incorporated, and it's like wearing a beautiful story on my skin.
We live in a global village, and I believe that by embracing Polynesian tattoos, we can break down cultural barriers and celebrate the beauty of different traditions coming together. It's about fostering a sense of unity and mutual respect among cultures.
So, as a proud German with a passion for Polinesian tattoo art, I'm all in for non-Polynesian folks rocking these tattoos with respect, love, and understanding. Let's celebrate the richness of cultures and appreciate the art that connects us all! 🌍🌺🤙
I just found that I have Melanesian blood. However, I was born and raised in the states and have no ties to the culture at this point. I am doing lots of research and whatnot about it tho. Would it be disrespectful for me to get a tattoo depicting my heritage even tho culturally I'm just a "Black American?"
I love you guys show it put smile and a laugh out of it, since your topics its about tattoos and where its from well we all agree its from (fiti) but not (fiji) as you know fiti is one of Samoan island it's in Manua pleasa tattoo is not from fiji.
Read more History books especially the Tatau book, you’ll understand more
to me, poly tatau should stay wit poly kokoline/ bloodline only. my bloodline is hawaiian, tahitian n samoan. proud to b
Is there a link someone could comment with different patterns and their specific meaning?
I love the way it looks and I respect tattoos with meaning and want something to represent my ancestors, my loyalty, and a warriors spirit. Should I be allowed to wear a arm sleeve?
I can understand uneducated people saying that it is fine for non-Samoans to get Samoan markings. Jokes aside; yes no one owns the the patterns specifically. Nate is correct, the Pe’a itself in its full form is inherently carries the obligation of service. The Pe’a connects a man to his family.
I'm Maori and have no Ta Moko, which isn't really traditional Ta Moko BUT before I get the Mahi done I would like a pacific design integrated into my Ta Moko to pay respect to the originators Fiji/Samoa where ever it originated.
Ta moko translated in Fijian would be
Ta-cut,carve
Moko-lizard
You see I'm Samoan and the only thing I'mma say is that to have a Pe'a or a Malu is a birth right. Those are the marking of OUR people. I'll say the only exception would be if you were born into Foster Care and was raised in our Samoan culture from the beginning, then I would say that you earned your markings and you identify yourself as a true Samoan.
I think its pretty cool that some people are so engaged in a culture that isn't theres that they want to have a permanent reminder. I think its ignorant when people get pasifika tattoos if they don't care for the culture.
I used to study @ MAGS so I would like to get Polynesian or Tamoko tattoo but Im Asian so I dont know its ok to get it or nah
Like everybody’s saying bro just gotta understand the meaning behind it and it’s gotta be about you
just like the hats and clothing, if you like the brand or culture, why not
i personally am a 16 Polynesian/Hawaiian but my mother is white and will not let me get a Niho Niho for protection she doesn't understand what it means and when i try to explain it she won't listen like i would understand her saying no to a Pawehe design i haven't earned it yet but i dont know what to do
You are mentally too young for any tattoo and ive seen as young as 12 get honors. Grow up.
I have a question for you guys, if you can help..
I'm Micronesian, but grew up being connected with the Tahitian and Maori cultures, and being somewhat connected with the Hawaiian and Samoan cultures.. with the permission of my Polynesian family, is it offensive for me to get one? I know Moko isn't okay for me to get, because I didn't grow up in Aotearoa, and I don't belong to a Maori tribe. Any answers? :) Thank you!
Nani DLG That is something you should discuss with your elders, or family, tattooists etc
Awesome......
Proud māori
I’m a white guy who loves the Maori and Polynesian tattoo style, is it acceptable for me to get a tattoo if I research the meaning ?
''ARM BANDS''.....My people have worm traditional ARM BANDS call GANA! I am a MELANESIAN from PNG and MOTUAN RACE! I believe our South Pacific TATTOOS should be preserved within the PACIFIC COUNTRIES...I have MOTUAN REVAREVA (Motuan Tattoos) and I live in SOUTH AFRICA...People mistake my Tattoos as New Zealand TAUTAU..And have come across many South Africans, Black and White with POLYNESIAN TATTOOS on them and I ask where they from? Their reply is " Oh, it looks COOL so I had it (TAUTAU)"..
Ovi-Ali Kay aye blacks with tats, hmmm how can you see it???. And if they don't know the meaning off with their heads, EZ done and dusted
Luke Hill yes anything but the sacred tattoos, like pe'a and malu, those are sacred and should be kept seperate from what others can get.
"it'd be really good for tourism" hahahaha it did work before the missionaries though lol
in Fiji, our forefathers tell stories of how girls were given a "gia" or "qia"(Fijian word for tattoo). there say this was done to protect there virginity. it was one of the many traditional practices that was later forebiden by the Tui Viti at that time (along with cannibalism n etc) due to the influence of Christianity in Fiji..
I don't mind samoan tattoo designs but not if its the sogaimiki or the malu.
I'm Samoan/hawaiian I will one day get a samoan tatau but what u do is u ask the chief respectfully
Makuã mamao a oe li uso...E kakau ga a'o muamua oe kua mafai ai loa ga fai so so'ogaimiki
What about Kirituhi? I know most of the panelists are Samoan, not Māori.... but I’ve gotten conflicting opinions.
Anyone can get plastic Kirituhi. Has no cultural significance, just for looks.
Yo thats da girl dat went viral 🤣
As a part hawaiian I've done some research and my opinion I think you can get polynesian tattoos as long its by a polynesian person and a polynesian person only and you should know what the tattoo means and have a powerful meaning for it💯 and the tattoos you shouldn't get you shouldn't get a motaora or moko kauae or a puhoro and a pe'a or malu or some kākau my opinion.(sorry for bad grammar)
Just get it done by a polynesian person only know what it means and have a powerful meaning for it and know what you cant get on your body
I hate tongan tattoo cos my daughter is half tongan and as well its really beautiful to be seen ... and my bf absolutely loves it
I understand the controversy as an African American I used to feel some type of way when Polynesians use the N word or wear cornrows, I just think the world is getting smaller and we need to be more open minded. I would never want something so personal like a Pe'a or chin tatoo but a small homage to the culture as long as one doesn't over do it should be OK
Worldtraveler8899 to be honest just be respectful of our culture and learn it before getting a tatau
Nobody should be using the N-word, black or otherwise.
I feel like if you're gonna get something contemporary it's okay but if you're going for something that's traditional traditional like a malu/ pe'a/ waima/ etc you SHOULD KNOW THE MEANING OF IT AND VALUE THAT IT CARRIES.
I believe tattooing did not come from Fiti as in (Fiji) it came from Fiti as in fiti-uta in Manu’a which is the birth place of all of Samoa. Either way love my culture and our people ❤️🤙🏽
read the tatau song ...
Fiti is Samoan and Tongan for Viti..English called us Fiji...
What do you think of Polynesians wearing Palangi clothes?
ok I am nowhere near Polynesian what so ever but I am captivated by the culture it interests me so much I wish to learn much more about the culture and all the meanings to each symbol and not if but when I get a Polynesian tattoo it will be the traditional way I wouldn't want it any other way no matter how much more painfull it is and yes I know that each symbol has a meaning to it and all of the symbols in a tattoo are who you are I just wish to respect the culture and its people you all captivate me
Some people from southeast origin from island
pe'a only samoans tf
At the end of the day, the tattoo artists need to make money too. If they don’t care, I don’t think we should either
Duck rockers 4 lyfe
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What happened to this show?
Should non-american people also use phones?
false equivalence
I feel like these topics are more authentic if answered by the elders who serve and know what the meaning of these sacred cultural treasures are. No offence but these guys answers are not really that meaningful.
There a certain tatau that people outside of that ethnicity should never get for example
Samoan - Pe'a & Malu
Maori - Moko Kauae and Ta Moko
I myself can't fully speak my language and would feel it be disrespectful to my ancestors to ever get any sacred Tatau or Moko. Untill I learn every aspect of each design and to speak my language fully then I will carry my Ancestors on my body.
DING DONG!
Fiti as in Fitiuta Manu’a not Fiji
I recon like palangi's should get them if they understand it unless it's something like a pe'a coz like I met some French chick with a malu at the beach and she had it done with a needle
I'm a tattoo artist I'll work with you on your story and use the preys to go with them msg me I didn't get your name it was the lady with the curly hair
Samoans are a mixed race from colonials like the Germans,British,Chinese and French who interacted with the local women. So I have no problem with palagi's having a Pe'a.
Maybe you should have different opinions from different Polynesians instead of all of you being Samoan?
I don't find anything wrong with that. It just seems like they got 5 people that actually could relate to the topic, and could contribute to it.
Paulo
Well for those of you who don't think people out of the culure should get it, are filipinos allowed?
nah
islanders n maoris get Celtic tribal patterns too so anyone can get inked with ours respectfully. as for a pe'a, if another race gets it, all goods. but if a samoan gets it without a title, thats a no go. must be a matai in my opinion
I would say people should be able to get a tattoo whether it means something or not. I don't think a tattoo needs to have a meaning, if I get a hulk pose on my back, it can just mean I'm a fan of Marvel Hulk. I think for the most part people are inspired by styles even designs whether it's from their culture or not.
Are the Eastern artists angry that The Last Air Bender is inspired by Eastern animation when created by Western artists? Hell are The English angry that their language is spoken by almost every country on this planet and creating words along the way?
Maori is the best
Non Poly people having sleeves? Acceptable, as long as they know the culture and know what the symbols mean and acknowledge what culture the tatau is from
Non Poly people with the Pe'a or the Malu?..... NO.... Off limits, unless they've earned the right to have them.... like she said "it's a right of passage"
I would say to get what you want on your body. Real recognize real and if you are just a phony, you will be called out immediately and will have to live with it.
I've been thinking about getting a traditional swastika tattoo. Tonga.
Fiji not poly māori are poly
Nowadays Tongans are biting all the Samoan designs
Tee yes that's true Tonga is the younger brother of Samoa that's the truth, Tui Manu'a Tui Atua Tui A'ana Tui Fiti Tui Tonga all these ancient kings are sons of Tagaloa lagi(Polynesian God) the high chief...
@Ratutui the realest preacher they might share some history and blood with Fiji but Samoans and Tongans are Polynesians
🤣🤣Never been colonized!🇹🇴💪! Had to be a Samoan to bring that rubbish up!