Is Righteousness Imputed or Infused?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2017
- What does the Catholic Church teach about how we are made righteous? Are we merely declared righteous, even though we still sin? Or does God actually cleanse us, and take our sin away? Find out the distinction in this edition of #AllThatCatholicStuff
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You are confusing justification with sanctification
I believe when the Spirit of God makes us born again because of faith, He sanctifies us and motivates us to do good works. We live out that inner change. Our sin has been forgiven. He teansforms us. Sanctification. His work in us.
Actually the reformation hinged on imputed and infused righteousness debate . The snow analogy is one example of the differences. Romans chapter 4 was halfheartedly touched on,but is important in understanding our peace with God .
Our GOD Our Christ Our Savior IS Superior Amen
Romans 4:22-24
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Buy one good point you raised here is, "Is God a liar for declaring sinners as righteous?"
Well if we were to simply do that, then yes. But God didn't just declare sinners righteous. He atoned for their sin in the perfect life of Christ and his vicarious death and his victorious resurrection.
Now also, the sin in is is separated from our identity. The old man was crucified with Christ. We identify with the new man of faith.
Abraham’s righteousness was imputed to him before he cheated on his wife with Hagar, before he questioned the Lords faithfulness in His promised son, before he gave his wife over to the King of Egypt.... Abraham’s righteousness was given and never taken away due to works. “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Ephesians 2:8-9
totally satanic doctrine. You will be judged by how you live your life not how jesus lived his life. see those 10 commandments? you think you do not have to obey god?
Roman Catholicism IS GOD’s REAL TRUTH Amen
Amen
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Nice video, do you have a list of scripture verses that support infusion?
Romans 4, James 2, Philippians 2, Galatians 5...
If we are "infused" with righteousness then why do we have to participate in the sacerdotal system?
george may because what he’s leaving out is a lot of the rest of the crap that Catholics teach. Apparently the Holy Spirit gives you the Grace of sanctification… Or I should say sanctifying grace. Here sanctification and righteousness are intertwined in such a way that as you progressively are sanctified you are progressively made righteous. For the Catholic “justification“ is to be made righteous. For the protestant “justification“ is to merely because of the righteous but not actually made righteous. They are both completely wrong
Jonathan Grandt the Truth of the matter is that we as persons do not remain righteous, virtuous and in complete union with Christ. There is justifying grace - which Protestants refer to as Justification- received from faith- which is a gift from God.
Ecc 7:20 “surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.”
“For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.”
2 Peter 2:20-21
Righteousness is not a one time declaration. Salvation is not a once-saved thing.
Notice how he never gave a verse
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Actually he gave several verses, Romans 4, James 2, 1John 3, etc. Don't agree with his interpretation, but he did give verses. His point is that God can't justify (make righteous) the ungodly unless they are righteous, hence, he states that God imputed righteousness to Abraham "because he lived out his faith." That's a Roman Catholic twist on the Scriptures. Note the context of Romans 4:
Rom 4:1-5 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness
* Not by works
* by grace without works
* God justifies the UNGODLY - those like Abraham who were NOT righteous.
Oh you want a verse from the bible? The book that was canonized and preserved by the Catholic Church. Not one protestant was at the councils of Rome, Hippo or Carthage. Protestants are hilarious and say the darndest things in their pride and blindness.
Protestants also believe in infused righteousness. Righteousness is both imputed and infused. Imputed righteousness is declaratory. Infused righteousness is transformative.
neither one of you keep the 10 commandments issued by the monotheistic God of the Jews.
Yet you leave out that Paul said Abraham was righteous before he was circumcised which was way before he ever had Isaac.
The Never Ending thanks for your reply. Assuming we are saved at one-point-in-time, than when was Abraham saved?
Genesis 15:6 states, "And he believed the Lord; and the Lord reckoned it to him as righteousness”
Yet James 2 points out that Abraham was justified in Genesis 22, when he offered his son Isaac, “For now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.” (Gen. 22:12)
But Hebrews 11:8 reveals, “By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went” which happened in Genesis 12.
So when was Abraham once and for all justified? Genesis 12, Genesis 15 or Genesis 22? And if he wasn’t Justified in Genesis 12, what other kind of faith did Abraham have (that wasn’t saving faith)? If he was justified in Genesis 12, than why did God have to test him again in Genesis 22? Why did God have to reckon to him as righteousness, again (Genesis 15)? And then be justified again (as James says) by his works (offering his son Isaac)…?
Seems like Abraham was re-justified, several times.
Chris Bray Romans 4:9-12 refutes your logic. 9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised. Clearly Abraham was justified prior to circumcision which was far before issac. You are mixing the root of salvation with the fruit of salvation. Circumcision seems to be a shadow of the seal of the Holy Spirit.
The Never Ending the topic of this video is not if works are required for salvation or not, it’s if righteousness is IMPUTED or INFUSED...If someone is merely “declared” righteous, even though they still sin (imputed), or if God actually makes them righteous (infused).
So you're saying infused righteousness states a person is not just declared righteous (and thus saved from the penalty of sin) but also actually righteous (saved from the presence of sin?) Since we all continue to sin, that would suggest no one knows whether they are righteous until they're dead.
@@thelaymanslounge1811 I pray that you allow me to enter into this conversation. I am currently talking to a friend of mine about the same topic, which I am new to, and I wanted to try and see if I could explain it and clear up any confusion.
So first, infused righteousness does state that a person, when declared righteous by God is in fact righteous. That all their sins have been forgiven and they have become a new creation in Christ. This corresponds with 2 Cor 5:17; "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come." Also, in Romans 5:5; and hope does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us."
However, just because we are actually righteous as declared by God we still have a disordered sin nature, which St. Augustine and the Church called "concupiscence." So when we sin, Jesus gave the sacrament of Confession to the Church (John 20:19-23). When we receive the Sacraments given to the Church by Jesus, we are filled with the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:41, Luke 1:67, Acts 2:4, etc.) to help us persevere to the end (Hebrews 12:1). By living a righteous life, by our faith producing good works, we are filled with hope that we will be saved (Romans 5:2, Romans 8:24-27). There are more verses then this, but I hope this helps clear some things up. God Bless
God calls those things that are not as though they were
If the bible says imputed why would you say infused
Joel Tango
Righteousness is not infused or imputed. What was imputed(accredited) to Abraham was what God had promised him.
If you write out a ledger it would look like this.
God owing Abraham a seed on the left side of the page.
Abraham owed a seed on the right side of the page.
The way this ledger came into existance is by the "function" of faith.
For example if I promised you ten dollars and you took me at my word (believed me)
The only righteousness on trial now would be mine ( being truthful giving you the ten dollars or untruthful by not giving it)
The ledger is only squared away when God performs righteousness (which is all he can do thus ensuring the promise)by giving Abraham the seed promised and all other commitments of the promise fufilled.
Now read the scripture again.
Abraham believed God and it ("it" being the promise) was imputed for righteousness.
If you read all other sciptures in the bible where God promises and someone believes that promise this is how it is fit.All of them bar none.
Also "There is none righteous no not one"also now works,It would fail if Abraham was counted or infused or whatever how he was righteous before God.lol.And I have yet to see His word fail
" Let God be True and every man a liar". Being truthful is an act that flows from righteousness , being untruthful is an act that flows from unrighteousness.
God was not only promising Abraham a seed , He was going to exhibit His own righteousness to him by fufilling the promise .
The flip side to the coin is if Abraham did not believe God
God does not have to perform anything
No seed is given
Sarah stays barren
Issac is not born ... etc etc
So now would God "impute" unrighteousness to Abraham because he did not believe?
Some how I dont think so. 😁
The peace i have is from GOD . According to( Romans 3 v 23 ) there is none Righteous all have fallen short of his will . At the end of time the separation of Christians from non - Christians will e clear . Good people are nice but Righteous people are better . Heaven isn t for perfect people but for Sinners at the cross.
Psalm 53:3
Thank God he set me free from generations of Roman Catholicism.
Only God can save us from deception. Pray for your Catholic friends - it’s a huge deception.
Lol
Chris, your point is that God can't justify (make righteous) the ungodly unless they are really righteous, hence, you state that God imputed righteousness to Abraham "because he lived out his faith...he was actually righteous" That's a Roman Catholic twist on the Scriptures. Note the context of Romans 4:
Rom 4:1-5 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness
* Not by works
* By grace without works
* God justifies the UNGODLY (those who are NOT righteous) - those like Abraham who were NOT righteous.
That’s actually not my point. My point is God is not a liar, He makes righteous what He declares righteous (He doesn’t declare something righteous that is not). Your position suggests NO WORKS are involved or required. And Catholic theology would agree that INITIAL grace of justification requires no merit on our part (which is why we believe in infant baptismal regeneration, as babies cannot merit for themselves this grace). However, you’re conflating ALL WORKS with THE MOSAIC WORKS OF THE LAW. In Romans Paul is clearly referring to the works of the law, as he references specifically “circumcision” in Romans 2:25. But to say NO works are required goes beyond the scriptures as Paul himself affirms in Romans 1:5 both “believing and obedience”. Simply put, you weren’t saved right from birth, you being saved required cooperation on your part in some way (ie. you believed, you professed Jesus as lord, you repented etc.). All of these “works” are ONLY possible because of God’s grace given (in an unmerited way) to enable you to do so. The same with Abraham... He preceded the mosaic law (ie. circumcision), but he believed through faith. But not faith alone. He followed God “by faith” to the land he prepared for him. He offered his Son Isaac as a sacrifice to God “by faith”, but not faith alone. If Abraham would have DISOBEYED God and didn’t follow him or offer his son as a sacrifice, would God have “imputed” righteousness to him through is DISOBEDIENCE? No. Because God is not a liar. I hope that adds clarity. God bless,
@@chrisbraymusic Quote: "He makes righteous what He declares righteous (He doesn’t declare something righteous that is not)."
In your statement, "He [God] makes righteous what..." God makes the righteous righteous or God makes the ungodly righteous? The latter, correct?
"He [God] makes righteous what he declares righteous." Who does God declare righteous? The righteous don't need a declaration for they are already righteous. God justifies the ungodly (because of the righteousness of Christ).
"He (God) doesn't declare something righteous that is not" compared to the Scriptures "Who [God] calleth those things which be not as though they were." Romans 4:17.
God imputed righteousness to Abraham BEFORE Isaac was born. So, I don't understand your argument, "If Abraham would have DISOBEYED God and didn’t follow him or offer his son as a sacrifice, would God have “imputed” righteousness to him through [h]is (sic) DISOBEDIENCE?"
Righteousness is imputed, grace is imparted, etc. to the UNGODLY by faith and without works. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8-9. It's either all by grace or all by works - note: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6. "We [the ungodly who are reckoned righteous without works) are his workmanship, created (work of God not us) in Christ Jesus unto good works..." Eph 2:10.
The righteousness of Christ imputed/reckoned to the ungodly by faith without works, because we who were not righteous were made righteous by the righteousness of Christ we then by the power of God walk in Christ's righteousness.
By way of example, marriage. The minister DECLARES the man and woman to be HUSBAND and WIFE BEFORE the marriage is consummated by works of love. The works follows the declaration and not the other way around as you suggest. We work because we ARE saved, not as you suggest IN ORDER TO be saved.
@@brentriggs1223 you should look up the proper definition of logizomai in Romans 4, used by Paul. Greek word for “reckon” is logizomai used in psalm 32:2 “the lord will not reckon his sin” in 32:5 he confesses his sin to God. But in psalm 51:7 he is made clean and white than snow. David’s sin was not merely forgiven as an extrinsic declaration (not merely externally covered) but he himself was internally cleaned.
Romans 9:8 Paul “reckons” Abraham’s spiritual children as God’s children. This is an extrinsic evaluation which corresponds with ontological/internal reality.
1 Cor 4:1 Christians should “reckon” Paul as a servant of Christ. An extrinsic evaluation which corresponds with internal reality
Leviticus 17:4 blood guiltiest is reckoned to a man because “he has shed blood”
Genesis 31:14-15 Rachel and Leah are reckoned as foreigners because they were foreigners to Laban (who sold their dowry, thereby handing them off).
Therefore, when God reckons Abraham’s faith as righteousness, this is due to Abraham’s faith actually making him ontologically righteous. As God says in Exodus 23:7 “I will not justify the wicked.” Rather, God infuses his grace and transforms the wicked rather than simply changing a label.
3:12: Would you be so good to use a theologically more apropos and precise word choice than "p___" ? It's not very edifying or inspiring to hear a speaker present a serious subject and hear schoolyard slang unless your conscientiousness is comfortable at that level or such diction would reflect your target audience. I hope you can manage that for those who'd rather not hear it.
But he was counted righteous before he was circumcised. Without works!
Works is a RESULT of righteousness.
Ben Davison What works did Abraham do before Genesis 15.6 that resulted in him being declared righteous?
Ben Davison Thanks but my question was about Abraham. Paul understands his righteous standing to occur after ch. 12 and before ch.17.
The circumcision of ch.17 is not right after Abe declared righteous. Hagar is not yet pregnant with Ismael but his circumcision occurs when he is 13 yrs old. Hence a span of 14 yrs between being declared righteous ch. 15 and circumcision ch.17. That's Paul's point in Romans 4.
With respect.
That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring-not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all - Romans 4:16
My Dude, Just Read Romans 4 please. Just do it. Read the entire book while you're at it.
My guy, you are taking all of those verses out of context because you do not know the context of the ENTIRE bible. It has never been and never will be about Faith+Works. It has always been about Jesus fulfilling everything required to satisfy the wrath of God for you and me.
The Bronze serpent, the clothing of Adam and Eve by God when he killed the animal. The Ark of Noah (Those who are IN the Ark will be saved, those who are IN Jesus will be saved). Abraham BELIEVING God. Ezekiel's vision of the Water coming OUT OF the temple and making the DEAD sea come to life. When JESUS Said it is finished. The Conversion of Paul. The Conversion of the Thief on the Cross. The conversion of the Philippian Jailer, when Jesus Cries out "It is finished". It means it is done.
Works are a result of saving Faith.
Nobody cares about your opinions - it's your actions that count
Titus 3:5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us."
First off you need to provide scripture with everything your saying or else it just becomes your own opinion/doctrine... Not good. Second your suggesting that Christ's finished work on the cross is not finished... That Jesus didn't conquer all sin on the cross but just some...and that by our efforts "works" we pick up the rest that Jesus didn't conquer... That's completely unbiblical and takes away from the glory of God and His finished work on the cross...its also a attempt to insert some of your own glory... it is not fully trusting in Christ, it is trusting in Christ and yourself for salvation... Again unbiblical. Are we, as you say piles of poop ? Yes we are, you got that part correct, however it's not our poop God is looking at in a believer but the rightness of Christ within the believer, how so? Because all true believers are forgiven and God sees there sin no more.. Hebrews 8:12. Thanks to Jesus's FINISHED work on the cross.. thanks be to God, may all the Glory belong to Him alone. John 19:28-30 "after this, Jesus, knowing that ALL THINGS WERE NOW ACCOMPLISHED, that the scriptures might be fulfilled, said, "I thirst". Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there, and they filled a sponge with sour wine put it on a hyssop, and put it to His mouth. So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, IT IS FINISHED" and bowing His head He gave up His spirit". .... Salvation is a act of God, not ourselves... Put your full faith in Christ and not just some of your faith.
1. Where in scripture does it say that everything on faith is found only in scripture? 2. If Jesus’ work on the cross was complete, were you saved right from birth, or did something need to happen before you were saved. If so, then you are also saying Jesus’ work on the cross was not complete. 3. When god looks at us but doesn’t see out sin, where is that in the Bible? Scripture says we are “cleansed” therefore because He calls us justified, He also makes us so. God is not a liar, as you are making Him out to be with this theology. Food for thought.
@@chrisbraymusic Let's get right to the true Gospel that all are required to believe:
Jesus Christ said, *"I am telling you the truth whoever believes in me has eternal life."* (John 6:47)
What does it mean to believe in Jesus? Well first off a person has to have a reason to believe in him. This is the reason: *'All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.'* (Romans 3:23) A sinner acknowledges that truth and understands he/she needs to be forgiven of sin in order to not fall short of God's glory. When a person repents and believes in Jesus and his death, burial, and resurrection from the dead his sins are forgiven and he instantly becomes a child of God, a Christian. The one thief on the cross did just that when he showed his faith in Jesus by asking him to remember him in his Kingdom. When he did that simple act of repentance and faith, Jesus immediately forgave him and told him he would be in Paradise. Awesome isn't it! The same truth applies to anyone else.
Jesus Christ never said Church membership is required for attaining salvation and eternal life. The Catholic Church is dead wrong by making it a requirement.