macOS High Sierra Catastrophe Finale - Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- macOS High Sierra has been the bane of Krazy Ken's existence for several months. Now it all comes down to this. Will his MacBook Pro survive?
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Hey there, fluffbutt. ;D
Any idea how to fix the "security and privacy" tab in settings?? I am getting an error not able to fix it. I do have a admin password which was supposed to be a fix on some forums..but still it won't open
Lol apple slowed down ur mac with this update like it did on Iphone hahaha!!!
Sounds like your hard drive is failing
Pause at 11:50 and look at that hovered video. The play button is out of the centre of the thumbnail.
Back in the day we used to say "never trust a Microsoft product that ended with .0. Glad Apple caught up to the compitetion.
now that's funny (would add emojis but i don't remember the key combo for my macbook)
ah yes , we see.
The Arabesque screensaver lags exactly as yours on my 2017 MacBook Pro, so I don't think High Sierra is not optimized for old hardware. Is not well made overall...
I was curious about this too on my loaded 2016 MBP and it runs perfectly on the Radeon 460 on a external 4k display. I prefer flurry though! :)
I have high sierra running on an early 2009 iMac I must say it rUns amazingly fast especially after AFS Conversion . The speed increase on even my older hardware is very significant.
On discrete Graphics I think it's quite normal to run fine, I'm using the integrated Intel Iris graphics
But was that feature being used by anyone these days? Just set it turn the screen off.
All screensavers run perfectly smooth on my base model 2013 mbp. Except arabesque. Lags just like in the video.
Remember when OS X never did sloppy stupid shit like this ever? Apple is slipping. Sorry but if Steve Jobs was still around this shit would never happen. I'm running El Cap on a 2008 Mac Pro tower. I use it for Audio production. I'm toying with the idea of rolling back to Snow Leopard.
It’s been around for 4 years?
It’s a Mac, face it, it is NOT supposed to behave like this.
? Macs normally outlast Windows PCs as hardware and performance wise too.
Depends more on whether it's a laptop or a desktop rather than it it's a Mac or PC. My desktop from 2012 is still as fast as ever, and I'll probably keep it around until 2020 at least before upgrading the CPU/Motherboard/RAM.
If you keep it on an older OS, sure. Putting a much newer OS on older hardware (I'm talking 2012 and older at this point) is going to give you a pretty sluggish experience. Windows generally runs better at that point.
Running a fully updated Windows 10 here. Runs about the same on this PC as Windows 7 did. The only time the hardware really shows its age is when trying to game at framerates above 60.
Maverick Hunter K windows pcs are 10 times better then macs. My gaming pc is 10 times faster then the iMac pro
For the screensavers it's the switch from Metal to Metal 2 that's causing all the issues, it's a known bug and all the devs of third party screensavers have to rewrite their code
As a SYS Admin at a University...This has literally ALWAYS been best practice especially for content creation professionals and scientists. Apple themselves tell you to backup with time machine prior to upgrading just in case, and they have always recommended a full system backup be performed even before Time Machine existed. Small companies don't have time to do sufficient debugging on macOS at the rate Apple releases new OS versions. It is still best practice even if you are an IT professional because honestly even if you never experience show stopping bugs in the betas, that doesn't mean the Gold Master wont have a new bug. This pertains to Windows, macOS and even Linux especially in production server environments.
I like watching these videos, even though I’m a windows user
Dodson Plays
Why don’t you jump on ebay and get yourself a mac? The old ones aren’t that expensive compared to a new macbook pro. I got a macbook pro from 2012 for $550 but you have to consider it was a PRO and not an air.
superstar64’s archived videos in thinking about selling my surface pro 3 for a 2017 MacBook Air off Amazon, just to get a taste on how it’s like to use MacOS daily.
+Dodson Plays Just use a distro (like niresh) to use OS X on your current device. No need to buy a whole new laptop.
Same but I use linux
i use windows too #WindowsGang
I tried the screen saver on my MacBook Pro 2017. Same result. It’s not the hardware, I think is APFS. I noticed my screenshots takes 15-20 seconds to appear.
Alvin
Well funny thing, i have macbook pro that’s about a year older, and the arabesque screensaver performs like crap even though i have an HFS+ volume and mechanical hard drive. And yes, it is the non retina version, take that for what you will
I Still use 10.6.8 ;-( (i have a iMac from 2006)
10.6.8 was solid
Snow Leopard was the best. I still run it on my 2009 Macbook Pro.
Only 10.6? How about 10.4? I have an old one.
D3PR3SS10N Excellent!!! I would use it too if Rapidweaver 7 would run under 10.6.8..... that’s how they get you to convert.... ugh
High Sierra failed to install on my Mac so I guess I was lucky, still hanging on with Sierra now.
I'm running El Capitan on my 2005 Mac Pro :-)
Whoa :) - an early adopter :) Congrats on keeping that MBP going.
I really don't understand why you keep saying your hardware is old. OK - back in the good old days, they used to sell PCs with a "Sell before" date (I joke, of course), but since (say) 2010 the upgrade treadmill is broken - every year's hardware upgrades are incremental - an extra 100MHz on 2,500 MHz, and extra 4MB cache on 128Mb and so on - an extra 128GB on SSD - no real reason why a 4 year old machine should be paralysed by a new OS.
Something was wrong - not your hardware.
My webcam doesn't even work since this laptop updated to high sierra not even the terminal commands bring it back
You should try cleaning the dust out of the heat-sinks and apply new thermal compound. If the fans are ramping up on the screen saver it could be a thermal issue. This is pretty common with 3 year old MacBook Pros because the heat-sinks are so small and the thermal compound Apple uses is garbage .
Was far as the screensaver goes remember HS uses metal now instead of open gl so that could be the reason why the screen saver wasn’t working as well on HS.
Been watching your vids for the longest, keep up the good work bro!
I'm running Sierra rn and I'm looking forward to doing a complete format and installing High Sierra. It is a mid 2010 MacBook Pro with that common graphics issue so I'm hoping to get that fixed in the near future
I assume the screensaver gets a performance budget like 1% load to save battery. That might be enough on modern hardware but if your fans have to kick in for the screensaver it seems really unoptimized on sierra too.
I tried High Sierra again after seeing this (after making a Time Machine backup), and I still had some major UI lag on my mid-2012 MacBook Air. That may be due just to the fact it only has 4 GB of memory or something, but it runs well enough on Sierra without problems, so I'm not miffed about it. Heck, I'm running Yosemite (and Snow Leopard for PPC-era games) on my early-2009 iMac, so it's not like running an older version of OS X really affects me too much.
Good to see almost everything cleared up for you, though that screen saver lag was a bit hard to watch.
The screensaver has lagged since El Capitan. That’s normal
Thank you very much for having done all these tests.
I've stayed with Sierra because it was golden, like Snow Leopard before it, and because of the performance issues you pointed out in HS, but it's getting hard to update software now.
My 2011 iMac 27" can never be updated beyond High Sierra. The question is did the very last High Sierra macOS 10.13.06 fix everything?
Should I upgrade to High Sierra now?
It may be the very last update I do on this Mac
That Arabesque thing happens with me too. Weird. I haven't changed my screensaver since I set it the better part of 4 years ago
I'd like to note that High Sierra included a lot of GUI rewriting with Metal instead of OpenGL. Theoretically increasing performance (and it did indeed on both my 2014 Macs), but also opening up a lot of opportunities for bugs, since rewriting your entire user interface is a big thing. Sierra rewrote some things to Metal, but HS really took the big step, and ported over Mission Control and whatnot. My theory with the screensaver, is that they just forgot it was there, and it's not been written for Metal, but the system doesn't know to kick up the OpenGL renderer for it, since it likely relied on already running systems using OpenGL before, thus it uses software rendering
Hmm . . . I thought the WindowServer ran off Quartz, not OpenGL. Perhaps I'm missing something? Sorry, I'm not a developer. But that would make sense because I know the WindowServer transitioned to Metal in High Sierra. I mean . . . I know that NOW. I learned about that during WWDC, but I totally forgot about it. I don't think I mentioned it in any of these videos. Good call.
The chord is F# Major.
My dad also had the missing app icons on his 2014 iMac 5k.
I just want to add I am currently running OS X High Sierra on a 2010 MacBook Pro and what fixed any problems was an SSD instead of a HD and my mac runs buttery smooth and starts up in around 40-50 seconds
Thanks for the tip, now I'm going to update my 2014 Mac Mini to MacOS High Sierra.
you are the deadpool version of tech reviewer
My friend, I hope you will become famous and get into Apple bugfix team with a million $/year granted.
I use MacOS since version 7. I track design quirks since 10.3 in a txt file called mac os sucks. The best system ever was 10.6. I have 2 mac with that still running. Unfortunately the browsers are rotting and breaking.
I liked 10.8 alot, but it's getting old too and will not work with modern software in the next months.
I currently use El Capitan, it's overall stable but annoying as hell, for example:
no colored lables, spotlight results cannot be freely moved, "double click opens new window" broken, random icon graphics not upgrading in finder, broken Disk Utility, broken QuickTime Pro, new iWork Suite without functionality, small fonts everywhere
I will go on Sierra probably next year.
Rule 1 of IT: never upgrade what works
I have a hard time with the idea that this machine is too old to run this well. Being you have a 15in MacBook Pro, I imagine it has similar, or better hardware than my late 2013 27in iMac, its the base model (3.2 core i5 and GeForce GT 755M 1GB ) with no upgrades ordered, I just added more RAM to it. It runs this screensaver just fine.
I actually remember using Game center quite a bit back in the iOS 4 days.
I am not sure if it has to do with High Sierra or with my 2010 iMac and Macbook... but 2 days after I installed High Sierra on both computers, my iMac would get stuck at the Apple logo but was able to fix it by force restoring. 2 weeks later my Macbook had the same problem and had to Erase and Restore (back on High Sierra), a week after it did it again on the Macbook, so I erased and restored again... but now on Yosemite... bit scared of updating again and having to go thru all the trouble.
My 2016 MacBook Pro 15 has the screensaver issue too, not as bad as your. Only a little bit lag.
I have the same or similar laptop to you and I found that the wallpaper lagged less if graphics switching setting under Energy Saver in system prefs was disabled; however I'd only do that when the laptop is plugged in. This way it uses the discrete graphics card rather than the Iris Pro built in card.
... and I notice you never have it plugged in, so that'd explain the screensaver at least!
Even with auto turned off, the screen saver still lags. It's a software problem.
Got the same issue regarding the Screen Saver on my new 2017 Macbook Pro 13" without touchbar running on macOS High Sierra.
I had that icon bug!
It was so annoying. I hated it completely.
I have/had the icon problem but found a simple fix for it. Just restart and boot to safe mode and log in then reboot to normal mode and icons are fixed.
The Kernal task could be related to indexing for Spotlight and Siri.
Hey there! Congrats for the videos. Probably it has already been suggested, but in any case: I noticed the same lagging in the Arabesque screensaver in my mid-2015 MBP too. If you deactivate the automatic graphics switching, the problems is resolved -probably it's related to the integrated Iris GPU?
3 years late, but i would of figured apple would of fixed it for the devices that run high sierra. not at all. i use an early 2011 MBP13 and arabesque is the only wallpaper that chugs as hard as it does. must just be that wallpaper
I'm glad you got everything ironed out. I have the same computer but the only issues I had was fixed by updating CUDA so I can Update to the most recent Web driver.
I’ve been lucky, haven’t really had any issues with HS. With regular Sierra the biggest issue is sometimes it would reset my desktop background, though it stopped after several updates
In reference to your screen saver theory, I have a 2017 15" MacBook Pro with the 3.1GHZ i7 and Radeon Pro 560, and its choppy, it freezes every 5-8 seconds for approx 2 seconds before starting back. Nowhere near as bad as what you were seeing, however not 60fps smooth like it should be on Apple's highest end laptop, I think it might be an issue with the screensaver and how its processed (like you said maybe not GPU but CPU, still must be massively unoptimised though).
The arabesque screensaver is laggy because they upped resolution by a lot. (It had always been kinda pixelated) I'm using dosdude1's high sierra patch on a 2009 MacBook Pro and I'm seeing more lag than you are. It should run fine on my GTX 760 hackintosh whenever I decide to upgrade.
The other screensavers are unchanged afaik. The the lag on that screensaver was one of the first things I noticed upon upgrading. lol
The first part of the video was genuinely the funniest thing I've heard in 2018
I got a 2017 MacBook Air a while ago and I had the same issue on the Arabesque screensaver. Maybe it's something in the system slowing it down? I don't know.
I’m not updating my 2016 MacBook Pro. I’m staying on Sierra, I knew this would happen. I refuse to be the patsy.
Every new macOS would bring a slower and slower experience, making your lightning fast computer as slow as a snail.
So the dot update fixed the "disk almost full" popup on High Sierra? It's been an issue for me ever since upgrading, and if so, I'll finally update to 10.13.2!!!
My MacBook Pro is the older generation model, only 1 year old as of December, and I'm having performance issues similar to yours on a newer machine. There is some serious optimization fixes that need to roll out. Even for 4th and 5th gen Intel systems, our machines shouldn't be doing this that early.
If you still have issue with slow perfomance mac os. There's new dot update available: 10.13.3.
Any updates to High Sierra 10.13.4 up to 10.13.6? I have an old MacPro 3,1 2008 with Radeon 7950 3GB 32Gigs of ram and High Sierra 10.13.3. Works Great! I can get 60hz at 3840 x 2160 & all the way up to 7680 x 4320 at 60hz (low resolution) However trying to update to 10.13.4 + renders my Radeon 7950 only having 30hz refresh rate above 2560 x 1440 and many other issues. My monitor is s 40" Dell. Any ideas?
P.S.
Great Videos! Keep going!
All this got me to do some experimenting. I'd include my 2009 MacBook, but its not on High Sierra. I've got a 2010 iMac 21.5, the cheapest one with the i3, it ran the screensaver very smoothly, just like my 27in model. We have a 2014 21.5, also the cheapest one, at work, and it runs the screensaver worse than your Macbook Pro! If the older and slower in every way iMac can do it, why can't the newer one? I don't understand any or all of his madness!
i have a ancient MacBook a 2010 white MacBook and i have high sierra on it and there are a lot of problems with performance problems and well i made it actually run pretty smooth after shutting a few things off and doing some tricks the one being disabling dashboard (nobody uses it anyway) and disabling spotlight search indexing and my performance it went up a ton after i did just those 2 things might be not nice if you like having spotlight search but for performance it's worth it
God. My new MacBook Pro 13.3 spec are lower than your 2013 MBP w/ Retina.
I just installed high sierra on my 2017 Macbook Pro 13 inch (no gimmick bar) and it just breaks everything, causes weird graphic glitches, overheating, freezing etc. It is a disaster!
the same problem to the specific screen saver on Macbook Pro 13 2016 with touchbar running high sierra.
sat. dec 30
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me: omg this video was filmed on my birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The new FCPX crashes like crazy. And the optical flow eats my harddrive
I'm using High Sierra 10.13.3 Beta 3 on 12 inch Macbook, icon bug has been fix
Also for default apps i don't encounter any of reseting problem, for screensaver i will check later
The Arabesque screensaver lags exactly like in your video, as it does on my 2011 iMac, as well as on my 2016 12" macbook, so i think it is more about high sierra that is the problem, and not older hardware, since i know both my iMac and macbook have been able to run it before on el capitan, but everything works fine anyway, but it is just ...strange o.o"?
Thanks for wrapping this up, I think a lot of users draw a sigh of relief that the latest patch fixed this. My MPB mid 2015 only suffered from the screen-wont-wake-up-after-sleep in HS which was fixed in the first minor patch. Now back to my WinX workstation who's thermal throttling was killed my Microsofts latest patch...... *sigh*
i got a headache from watching you opening up all those apps
Make a video when high sierra is up to par with sierra. Because the performance is the only thing hindering me from updating
when I downloaded H. sierra when it first came out, I noticed the boot up time increased. Is it still like that or has it gone back to sierra boot up speed?
This is very informative - and funny!
The dp approves and shall leave its MacBook Adorable at Sierra goodness - for now. Thanks and cheers, Computer Clan!
By the way, if you have already downloaded an older version of macOs in the app store with your apple id, you can go back in the purchased tab on mac app store and redownload previous versions :) here is a screenshot image.ibb.co/i2vypn/Screen_Shot_2018_03_29_at_2_26_48_PM.png
OH YES that screensaver thing is so wierd. And yes that screensaver relays on the gpu. I love that one but since high sierra, my fans turn to max. And i have reinstalled the os
Yep, 10.13.2 fixed most of my issues as well. It was a nightmare in FCPX with launch release and 10.13.1.
Glad I wasn't the only one! Phew......
Mb Pro mid 2012 ,i5 2,5 Ghz, 256 ssd samung 840 Pro, 16 gb ram. HighSierra. Works PERFECT.
I'm not doing so great, my cactus died and the TV remote is not within reach but I guess that's ok.... at least it's not that cold
High Sierra hasn't been detecting my Canon t6i Drivers
huh my mid 2012 model has no problem running it and my 2017 Imac runs it smooth i assume at this point it's the Fusion Drive people only having issues at this point
8:15 I think ProRes 422 should run better than a compressed video file. Or am I wrong?
Sounds right.
I had to revert to El Capitan....but now I’m having to set up a 2nd system with HS so I can retrieve all my Photos files under HS (can’t read them due to the change in the file system for HS)
I used Game Center. Before my channel was even made. (I think Game Center was still around when I was TheDeviceWolf78)
that chord is Bb.
Great video as always..
My MacBook Pro Mid 2015 with HS 10.13.2 also drops mad frames on previewing Arabesque Screensaver
Thanks a lot Ken - very informational - the whole history (3 parts) you can ignore my question from the first vid. It‘s been answered :-)
It’s definitely High Sierra that’s the issue. I have a 2017 iMac and I’m having major graphics issues specifically with 32 bit apps.
I installed normal Sierra on my Hackintosh and I updated mine to High Sierra, it's extremely stable and fast. It took awhile though coz I have graphics card issues.
hey how do you make the file-edit-view-history bar black? sorry not that advanced in computers
Open 'General' in System Preferences.
Yes, i just have problem with "Kernel_task"... Always performing very high!
I have same glitchy and laggy macOS High Sierra... after updating from Sierra ... 2017 15inch MBP
On my iMac, I am running macOS Sierra. Should I upgrade to High Sierra? (I probably shouldn't but it's nice to hear other peoples input.)
you could do like I did with my 2011 1mac 27" I made a small partition of 100gb for high sierra and left the other 900gb for Sierra
Hey good idea
So you just now learned to backup/clone your system before major OS updates + wait for "dot" updates? Sorry but that's funny... You must be new to apple.
I’ve used Macs daring back to 1996. This has never been an issue before.
It was kind of a joke... But still, surely you have seen thousands of people out there claiming that after updating OSX something broke... Especially if you're a Mac user for more than 2 decades. In HS the risk is a bit higher since there's a new filesystem.
Anyway, I'm glad too see your system is performing a lot better now.
What I did to fix my OS High Sierra is did a full erase and fresh install OS HS and boom it worked! Lag free OS High Sierra but I’m not gonna update it until OS 10.14
9:20 *raises hand*
just tested on my 2013 MBP15" external GPU model with 10.13.4 High Sierra and the Screen saver is smooth. It' might be fixed.
I find it funny that High Sierra and Sierra work perfectly on my Hackintosh. Thanks to the GTX 1050 Ti that is. macOS is a gpu intensive OS.
i still use Game Center
Odd, when I used it, it was fine and my MacBook is from the past, 7 years in the past.
Well, that end bit got my attention. You’re computer is 4 1/4 years old. Apple computers today on the ordinary last about 7 years in compatibility. After the 7 years, 3rd parties will continue to support that OS for about 5 extra years before finally moving to new systems, and therefore the computer is obsolete. Considering that data you’re computer can update for 3 more years and 7 years in 3rd party software. Take this comment for what you will.
What Model and Year of MacBook are You Using. ..?
I have a Powerbook G3 I was wondering if you could do a review? And I used game Center on my iphone 4s
Are you asking me to review your particular PowerBook G3?
Computer Clan yes please
Sounds great. This is actually something we want to make more public soon-that we'd be open to accepting Apple hardware for reviews. Can you pass me your email address, or contact me on thecomputerclan.com
YOUR_LIFE_IS_YOUR_FAULT
Best BSoD ever
Arabesque screen saver is super slow on my Mac pro with 12 core and 64 gb of ram 10.13.2
9:31 Gb major where's my money
Bb
High Sierra runs excellent on my 8 year old computer.
im running a late 2009 iMac core i5 radeon 4850 with 8GB ram with High Sierra running off a flash thumb drive, "because why not right" and I have zero problems zero lag. Do you still have problems with the OS?
With 10.13.2, I have noticed significantly less issues.
Good to hear! your youtube content is funny, you just gained a sub! have a good one bro
Well, let's just wait for 10.13.6 and see what happens. Until then, 10.12.6 it is.