It was a pet peeve of me when I kept seeing the ‘science’ based crew include ‘based on science’ in their titles. It's obviously a marketing gimmick for anyone with a rigorous scientific background (i.e in natural sciences like maths, physics, chemistry etc). When a normie sees that title he probably equates the rigour of the studies in question with Hamiltonian dynamics or special relativity. That's why your take is very good : "I'm not against science, I'm against these celebrity researchers"
2017: The "protein synthesis/science based" era (plus SARMS being available on Amazon), which led to... 2020: The "super ultra mega high volume" era (plus "You might need TRT, better get checked"), which led to... 2023: The "fuck all that, just lift" era (plus "I just do it for the recovery, bro")
High protein crew checking in. Even when those influencer scientists were saying you don't need high protein to build muscle, my results has always been better at 1g+. When cutting 1.5g+ is even better.
I'm more on the side of calories 1g per pound really isn't that much when you eat a meat heavy diet which most Europeans do I find people obsess over the protein instead of eat that extra 300 cals to put them in an anabolic surplus
I’m in my 20s, I know a guy in his mid-40s who is an old school meathead, Him and his buddies all trained in the late 90s and early 2000s and he has been telling me for a long time 1.5 grams protein per pound. He also constantly emphasizes the only way to get bigger is to get stronger.
Great message! I recommend highly you the work of Angelo Keely on Eaas, he argues as we age the protein synthesis rate dramatically decreases so we should also dramatically increase the intake but digestion and enzyme production can't keep up with it. So the solution is to supplement with eaas. His arguments make a ton of sense, it's been a game changer listening to his podcast with the Mind Pumped guys.
Faz, I need to thank you. I’ve heard you bring up high protein several times and decided to try it. I recover much quicker on 1.2-1.5g and I think that it helped me grow a bit without changing anything.
Great video Faz! Dr. Eric Helms often talks about increase protein demands when you get leaner. So 200lbs and chunky might find 200g protein works great, but someone who is 200lbs and quite lean may need 275g protein to maintain performance and recovery.
One thing that aggrieves me about current "science-based training" celebrity types is that the whole model is anti-scientific. A charismatic authority transmitting "science" to an audience as though it is gnostic wisdom that we plebes can't access directly is not science. Just show me the papers, a couple hundred individuals that are your proof of your hypothetical conclusions, and your personal relentless attempts to _falsify_ the hypothesis, and then I will grant science.
"yeah I believe in SCIENCE, I'm not a dumb religious freak" >Takes the info of a random person at face value BC science >can't be bothered to read the scriptures (sorry studies) >can't even understand the studies >throws a hissy fit and cries "anti sciencetism" when someone doesn't blindly parrot them Is science just a modern religion for redditors?
Thank you for doing that, I really appreciate people putting my name out there. Please email me at faz@fazlifts.co.uk and I will send you something for free.
Just subscribed, found you channel couple weeks ago and loved the training stuff! Your view on protein intake makes sense also, I'll be bumping mine up to 200g after today!
Menno Henselmans criticized the meta-analysis which found 3 grams of protein per kg bodyweight to provide more muscle than 1.6 g protein per kg bw in a recent instagram post. Might be interesting to see
id guess theres an individual effect and some fussing over optimal vs statistically pretty close vs clearly noticeable. and that your medium term feedback (recovery, prog overload) with cals matched is your best n=1 experiment and worth running because its data that can inform your practices for as long as you are in the hypertrophy game
I put a comment here a month ago saying I was ok on 100g of protein a day at 160lbs. I recently went to 160g or more a day and without a doubt this is the best thing I’ve done to my diet since increasing fiber. Within 2 days my muscles increased and I am way more satiated. Gains and recovery way better.
I'm 34, 6'2", 199lbs, and 12 to 15% body fat. For about a year, I've been consuming 290 to 330 grams of protein a day. However, I was losing fat for a lot of that time (I was 276lbs in March '23 and didn't get back into lifting until May '23). But, I'd say I'm on a proper bulk now, so I'll report back in about a year lol
Always felt better, more satieted and recovered better with close to 200gr of proteins per day, despite only being 80kg. My experience also confirms your beliefs, Faz!
I've been taking 0.7 grams per day and to be honest my recovery hasn't been great. Since watching your videos I think I'm gonna try taking 1 grams and see how it goes. Thank you for all the info Faz!!!
It's hard to get more than 180 grams per day on my vegetarian diet, and i can get that on a bulk but on a cut things get very difficult. Luckily the cut is very short.
That is very easy. I got this protein list from someone. Seitan is very low in calories and work great for a cut. I've eaten way more than 180 g of protein with 1700 calories. Seitan, mycoprotein, tofu, temphe,soy tvp, Pea tvp, Fava bean tofu, red lentils pasta, Chickpea pasta, soy bean pasta, Quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, lupini beans, soy beans, Protein powders ( rice, pea, soy etc ) Plantbased protein bars.
Ha! Its great to see someone say their opinion with their chest out! Something that annoyed the hell out of me from other creators and science based crew is they make non conclusive statements, probably to protect their brand, under the guise of "it's scientific to not make absolute statements". Not poking the bear, but it's true when you say that hypertrophy science is not very robust (being generous) and if you were to ask the opinion of hypertrophy/sports science to other researchers in other fields, it's a bit of a jokey tongue in cheek field. Valid, but not robust. In fairness, the science crew is trusted because they usually don't have many financial drivers for making statements (am I naive for saying this? I don't see how they make money from saying do 30 sets per week and take 0.8g/lb bodyweight protein? Let me know) What can I say. Excited to try this myself, and see where it takes me. Special request to make more diet/protein videos in this case. I have a few tricks to save time, energy and money from having a high protein diet but would be great to see how you manage 1.5g/lb every single day.
Let's put some numbers on this; Greg Doucette recently mentioned he's sold 1 million cookbooks. Let's take a science based lifter who has three times as many subs as Greg does. This science based lifter prices his eBooks at around 50 bucks at time and that's just one eBook. Run the numbers on that... Then on top of that there are seminars, book sales, sponsorships. Make no mistake, this is BIG-BIG money. They are incentivised to stand out, to appear they have *something* different. Can definitely do more diet videos, have one in the pipeline - they tend to flunk though lol
"Being right on Reddit doesn't count for very much..." couldn't have said it better. So many people repeat what they've been told works, but anyone can just parrot information to get upvotes -- 99% of the time they haven't learned from their own experience. Reddit is one of the worst echo chambers out there especially for fitness content.
Yeah I ran mostly a full body powerlifting routine to hit my best numbers from 2010 to 2014. I wrote a book about those years so others can benefit: fazlifts.co.uk/products/the-tactician-fazlifts-full-body-strength
The protein recommendations for everything else are lower than those for when people are trying to maximize muscle growth, though, no? Why assume that the body is prioritizing our bodybuilding goals over all these other things? Couldn't it be that our bodies use all the protein they need for everything else, then invest some of the extra into muscle growth? The other thing is that Milo Wolf and Mike Israetel might not have it right. They might not be ushering in a new era, they might just have the weight of the evidence wrong. I'm openminded on this. I'll gladly eat and recommend whatever seems best.
With your first paragraph there you've misunderstood my points and you've misrepresented what I've said in the video BADLY. Like, literally did not say that AT ALL. Second paragraph, focus less on personalities and more on data. Third paragraph, honestly does not sound like you do. Sounds like you're coming into this with a heavy bias. If you want to appear to be willing to learn then actually watch the video and aim to understand what I'm saying here.
@@Fazlifts Thanks for the response, man! What did I misunderstand about your first point? "Your joints, tendons, ligaments all need protein. What about general life? We have a protein requirement for the regeneration of all the cells in our body. Our skin our nails-everything. Everything has a protein requirement. So why, oh why was the protein recommendation given for just our muscles instead of our general protein requirements we need every day, even if we don't train?" I listened to your explanation and it sounded, to me, like you were saying that we should be considering all the other things that protein does, and thus considering just the muscle-building side of it is short-sighted. When I look at the research, and see that muscle growth is maximized with less than 1.5 grams of protein per day, I'm not sure if that's enough to maximize the benefits to everything else, but I'm not sure why it wouldn't be, either. That's why I was asking you. Your other argument is that the current science-based protein recommendations are purely considering muscle protein synthesis, but many of these studies look at hypertrophy. As you mentioned, hypertrophy takes into account both synthesis and breakdown. I'm not blindly following science-based celebrities. The Jeff Nippard/Mike Israetel/Eric Helms bulking guidelines don't work for me or my audience (skinny guys). They recommend a rate of weight gain based on a percent of body weight, but thin people are lighter and benefit from gaining faster, so it's backwards. I spoke with Eric Helms about it, and he said he agreed with me, and that he would probably update his stance in the next version of his book. I'm super happy to argue with those guys. My view that skinny guys could gain faster wasn't based on science, but rather my personal experience + 15 years of experience working with thousands of other skinny clients + some basic logic. There's barely any research on that demographic. I can't rely on just the science. I'm not just interested in hypertrophy research. I'm interested in tradition, wisdom, your experience, personal experiments. I'm trying to update my protein recommendations for 2025, and I've started working on a video and article. I've gone through the research and spoken with some of these experts. I think Milo was right to look beyond the Morton meta (which does seem low), but I think he's over-emphasizing the Tagawa meta (which seems high). I'm trying to understand your argument for a benefit up to 1.5g/lbs/day. I'm still not sure exactly where that number comes from. (For my bias, a lower protein target is easier, so that's nice. It'd be easy if 0.7 was true. But if there's a benefit to more protein, that would give us all better results than we've been getting, which is even better. So it'd be awesome if 1.5 was better.)
What you said originally: "Why assume that the body is prioritizing our bodybuilding goals over all these other things?" I did NOT make that assumption. What you have said here does NOT reflect my statements in the video. I NEVER said the body would PRIORITISE anything. I said we need to provide protein for ALL requirements. So I am not making any kind of assumption at all. I am saying that ALL of these systems have a protein requirement and that is exactly what I said as you literally quoted in your second reply!!! "Your joints, tendons, ligaments all need protein. What about general life? We have a protein requirement for the regeneration of all the cells in our body. Our skin our nails-everything. Everything has a protein requirement. So why, oh why was the protein recommendation given for just our muscles instead of our general protein requirements we need every day, even if we don't train?" I asked you not to consider who is saying this but WHAT they are saying because that is how I operate. I don't care who says something or in the manner in which they say it. I care about facts and what works. So when you said this: "The other thing is that Milo Wolf and Mike Israetel might not have it right. They might not be ushering in a new era, they might just have the weight of the evidence wrong" I asked you not to care about WHO is saying this, because first of all that is never wise and second of all the implication is there that I care about these things. Which I unequivocally DO NOT We don't even need to mention names here, because I was saying and preaching this BEFORE ANY OF THOSE GUYS. So they are not part of the discussion in my mind, at all. I have ZERO consideration for what Milo has ever said because nothing he has ever said has resonated with me. That is nothing personal against Milo that is simply the facts. You asked here: "I'm trying to understand your argument for a benefit up to 1.5g/lbs/day. I'm still not sure exactly where that number comes from" Because this is where we differ young man. I am a Coach first, I am a RUclipsr second. My recommendations are not based off studies and fiction they are based on MY COACHING and I am VERY good at what I do.
@@Fazlifts Right, but if the protein requirements for general health are lower than the requirements for maximizing muscle growth, that makes me think that we can keep our skin, nails, and tendons healthy with lower amounts of protein. I'd imagine those things would be doing great with 0.7 g/lbs/day. That might not be the case, but I'm not sure why it wouldn't be. That's my question. I'm not overly fixated on who is saying what. I'm just saying that I think the THINGS they're saying probably don't line up with the overall body of research, at least as far as I can tell right now. Okay, so the 1.5 g/lbs/day is coming from coaching experience. That's totally fine. I don't care if you don't reference studies. (I'm not sure why you think we differ there. I've been a full-time coach for 15 years. I'm not an experienced RUclipsr. I've only made 40 RUclips videos.) Have you noticed improvements in muscle growth when bringing clients from 1 g/lbs/day to 1.5? When you increase the protein, are you keeping calories the same? I'm personally guessing 1 g/lb/day is enough to maximize muscle growth for most people, so that's why I'm asking.
I experimented with the lower protein recommendations because if I could get the same progress with less why not? My progress in strength and muscle growth was similar BUT I did notice way more niggles and pain around my tendons and got a minor pec injury. I went back to higher intakes and healed up real quick! If a protocol leads to potentially greater injury risk it’s magnitudes worse imo
Its so sad when we know something, but there is nothing we can do for the masses that just believe anything that the "science based" influencers say. Im just hoping they all go the way of athlean x...forgotten!
Maybe I’m in the minority here but I seem to gain muscle just fine with the 0.7-1.0 gram recommendation. The young guys at the gym are always so worried about protein when they can’t even eat 3,000 calories a day and have no muscle to speak of. I’m a little over 200 pounds at 5’8, less than 20% body fat with abs, so I think I’m doing ok.
As of this week, I’ve dropped protein slightly. 180 pounds and was eating around 240g of protein across 5 meals previously. Now trying around 200g over 4 meals and increasing carbs instead. Just to see if there’s any increase in performance during this bulk.
Honestly I struggle with eating more than 1g per lb. The financial cost and mental fatigue from eating food that tastes worse and ensuring I hit a high goal without being a soggy toilet role to my friends holds me back. I know it's not a valid excuse, but it does it make it harder, and that is being a vegetarian. A realistic goal for me right now to go from 150-180g daily to 180-210g daily is through another scoop of protein powder, because I really don't want to eat more beans or Greek yoghurt. I use a vegan blend of protein powder and I have no issues with it, unlike whey. I also am 185lbs at 22% body fat, so my lean body mass is more like 165-170lbs. So if I ate 200g of protein per day, that would be 1.2g per lb of lean body weight. I will see what I can do to increase my protein.
Hi faz, love the content, High protein gets me acne breakouts, at 81kgs my intake is somewhere between 100 to 140 grams of protein, and i'm satisfied by my rate of progress, that being said, do you have any observations in regards to acne and dietary habits?
Hey Faz, thank you for your insights and your Barbarian program, I'm following it on boostcamp for 6 weeks now and its been great. I have a question that I can't seem to find a proper answer for, its regarding BMI. I'm 5'5 and I currently weigh 71kg, my BMI is 26.1 which is considered overweight; however, I still look small lol. What's your opinion on BMI? Do I still keep bulking or should I go back to a lower weight like 68kg? Any videos that address this topic I could perhaps look into? Thanks a bunch
I'm very curious to know how does this translate to individuals who are lifting very hard and training roughly around to failure does that increase the requirement further than what it is recommended. We don't know if most of these studies are individuals who are training very hard. Curious to see your opinion?
@ I’m very open to both arguments. Problem is most of these studies are done on either newbie lifters or people are paid To lift so it’s very hard to say if the recommendations work for everyone. Keep doing what you’re doing 🙂.
Absolutely 💯 In my experience all sources count. My vegan clients have been some of my best ones I wouldn't place too much importance on trying to pair aminos either, just eat. Your body will figure it out
@@Fazlifts noted. People whining about having to increase the protein should just eat their current (animal) protein as normal, then fill the rest with vegan sources.
Absolutely, that's what I do. People love the idea of optimality but only when it's convenient. Challenge their perception of optimality and they'll follow you right up until it stops being easy and convenient. Then watch them squirm 😀
Hitting 1.5 g of protein per lb of lean mass is just tough. I weigh 205 lbs currently and I got down to 190 lbs on my last cut, so I would estimate my lean body mass is somewhere in the ball park of 180? That equates to 270 grams of protein daily. I got to think the standard recommendation has held for so long because it's comfortable for everyone to hit. I can imagine a person new to lifting culture/diet being terrified of trying to hit 1.5x per lb of body weight. Typically I've been hitting 150 minimum, and most days more like 180 to hit the 1 gram per pound of lean mass. I would like to try and hit the 270 number for a consistent 3 months just to see if it's worth it, but damn, that's a lot of daily protein.
I get about 250g per day. You. Grow when you sleep before bed I’ll do 300g curd free cottage cheese. 1/3 cup pumpkin seeds. 500ml milk that’s 100g of slow digesting protein all night long. Works great
Are you aware of any health detriments (or research that has measured this) of having 1.5g in the long term? I'm currently at 0.9 to 1g and would go up to 1.5g if it is completely safe to so health-wise, in the long term
As always I am not a medical professional, nor your Doctor. So if you are concerned first point of call is to discuss this with your Dr. Having said that I am not aware of any issues, in fact only benefits. If I did think it was harmful, I would not do it.
I've naturally gravitated towards 1.5 g/lb just by eating 5 meals with a decent sized lean protein source at each one. Thought I was overdoing it but maybe not!
Hey I'm a subscriber to your channel, enjoyed this video but a little confused about protein synthesis and training frequency. Are you saying we shouldn't train a muscle twice a week? I am 55 years old and am wondering how many times a week to train a muscle because I am older,thanks
Hey George, welcome to the channel Twice is fine, is that what you do? I'm saying it doesn't matter as much as we were previously told. Previously the fad was to train a muscle 3, 4, 5+ times a week and call anything less suboptimal.
@@georgekakos9081 George stalls generally aren't related to frequency, you can still gain fine on 1, 2 or 3 times a week. Stalls are generally related to diet and not pushing your sets hard enough in the gym. If you want to follow up on this, I do consultations and coaching.
I do 8 to 12 sets per bodypart per week, and train to failure,but I weigh 180 pounds and eat around 140 grams of protein. Maybe I should try going higher
It makes absolutely ZERO logical sense to not be eating 1g/lb at a minimum(non obese people). Not all of the protein we eat is used for strictly building muscle. 1.5g/lb is a great insurance policy and it doesn't even make reaching your protein intake hard.... 16oz of chicken is 136g - Meals 1-3 5.3 oz each 3 whole eggs is 18 100g of egg whites is 10 - Meal 4 2 scoops of a whey protein powder is 50 - Meal 5 that is 214 grams from DIRECT sources. Most people consuming this type of content are sub 200lbs. I genuinely do NOT see how 1.5g isnt feasible
I'm starting to get sick of the scientific community nowadays. What happened to just eat well, train hard, sleep well, and stay hydrated? All these buzz titles like bulking is canceled, hammer curls are bad, anything above 4-9 reps bad, low set high intensity only, is becoming too common and if you don't agree with them you're excommunicated. Quick edit here there is nothing wrong with learning about a topic you love and enjoy, its wrong to confuse people and overcomplicate it to the point where people hate it rather more than enjoy it.
In an industry where you are rewarded for clicks and likes these topics typically get more engagement. So these influencers lean into them I make my money as a coach so I don't have to care about what I put on RUclips
Alex Leonidas alvast couraged 0.8gr per pound of weight (when cutting). I find it difficult to get +1gr while cutting. Because my cut is maximum 1500 kcal. Im force feeding chicken daily to get there. Eventough i disslike meat.
@@sherr1306 I went from 170 to 200, every lift went up pretty decently, everything except my upper chest grew really well. Biggest downside is the stretch marks on my adductors and lats. And my wife wondering why anyone needs that much chicken.
@ Ha I don’t know. I get protein powder when it’s at a good price. I can’t get all the protein I want through whole foods because I feel like I’m going to explode. My wife finds canned tuna for cheap, and I will knock out two or three of those at a time. I don’t *feel* like I spend that much, but I may be lying to myself to justify my vanity.
I Wonder after you implementing higher Protein than 2g per kg of bodyweight, have you Seen more Hypertrophy in your and your clients, especially im the advanced clients? And does IT Progress to a Point ? (More Protein more gainz )
Hey coach! I have a question but beware that it may sound stupid loll. When you talk about protein amount, that is total protein right? So, it includes plant sources like rice, pasta, oats and legumes? I’ve heard some gym bros only count meats and eggs as protein, but an average guy might get 50-100 grams from plants, so just wanted to clarify.
I experimented w low protein count, as little as 110 and I got great strength progress even on a cut, but my hair thinned out a decent bit on the temples and I had more and more hair in the shower drain, even with biotin. I've been bumping up the protein to 160 and have put myself into maintenance, and I think it's slowed down a decent bit
Well this is a part of the video I didn't mention, but I know a few evidence based influencers who tell their audience to eat 0.7g/lb but if you follow their preps they eat far in excess of that, closer to 1.5g/lb. There's a degree of gaslighting going on there, and it shows they are not fully bought into the science they preach. Hypocritical to the nth degree - I have no hang ups about telling people the truth.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that people want to consider the protein in grams and the bodyweight in pounds. Absolutely stupid. Just use kilos?
Alex Leonidas does now too 0.8 grams per pound of fat free mass to be specific. I think the distinction on why some thrive off of more or less is carbohydrates from whole foods I remember Eric Bugenhagen said the same thing in his vid with fitnessfaq. There's also the question of food quality where I live (Michigan) companies sell a lot of old stock whether plant foods or animal
Beans/rice or beans/chickpeas are a hell of a combo to supplement protein intake. Still no reason other than moral to go vegan, but gotta complement that somehow
I can financially manage to get 200gr solely by pure protein ( chicken, steak, fish) but to get that extra mile i will look for cheap alternatives to add.
@ A rare example of kind explanations. Not to be right. Just for sake of helping someone. No bad blood ever needed. No side hit towards anyone… a true teacher!
Good to know. But I am still going to eat between 0.8 and 1g per pound of body weight because I am broke af. Rice and pasta are cheap. Meat is expensive.
It's sad that Lyle is now put in the "anti-science" camp when he bleedin' invented science based hypertrophy training, and is the only one that has acted in a vaguely scientific fashion regarding new research.
Eating 400 grams of lamb chop and 4 eggs for breakfast as I watch this. So like, at least 100 grams protein to start the day 👍 I definitely notice really high protein intake leads to better composition and recovery. Keeps me lean without really trying. As they say, life’s too short to be a fat kunt.
This article off their website states they believe in 0.7g/lb: www.mindpumpmedia.com/blog/the-myth-of-optimal-protein-intake This video they also recommend 0.7g/lb: ruclips.net/video/WdXUq5o0KRg/видео.html A thumbnail of one of their videos advocating for lower protein is literally on the thumbnail of this video bro lol. You are just completely making stuff up.
Its a little weird to me.... that coincidentally when the bodybuilding community switched from 400-500 grams of protein, down to 200-250 on average for both that physiques changed and got smaller. Just a thought. Seriously though, its MADDENING when these influencers and evidence based bodybuilders recommend .7-1g of protein per pound of bodyweight for NATTIES. These studies were done on NATTIES. We are enhanced! Lyle Mcdonald also has a very good point that these recommendations completely ignore the protein needs of literally every other tissue in the body that requires amino acids besides muscle growth! You dont see radical transformations anymore, because we were lied too about these tiny protien goals. You can see the difference night and day when you start eating higher proteins and fats(150-250g) and moderate carbs from whole foods. Not white rice but from potatoes, and parboiled brown rice that actuality has nutrients to help digest the carbs, and help build muscle! The fitness industry is devoid of nutrients and protein to actually build muscle! You cant build muscle optimally on White Rice and Chicken, wheres the nutrients in that for optimal growth? Also we are BODYBUILDERS, not small 175 pound natty college kids! We have 200, 220, 230, 270+ pounds of muscle! As the muscle increases, the protein needs cant follow in a linear fashion thats illogical that a 270 pound bodybuilder would only need 270 grams of protein for optimal recovery and growth.
Usually this occurs when your stomach isn't used to it. It needs time to upregulate. I've been training for 25 years my stomach is bomb proof, I don't have this issue.
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It was a pet peeve of me when I kept seeing the ‘science’ based crew include ‘based on science’ in their titles. It's obviously a marketing gimmick for anyone with a rigorous scientific background (i.e in natural sciences like maths, physics, chemistry etc). When a normie sees that title he probably equates the rigour of the studies in question with Hamiltonian dynamics or special relativity. That's why your take is very good : "I'm not against science, I'm against these celebrity researchers"
Faz I just chugged 1000 grams of protein powder and I'm not as jacked as you .. . What did I do wrong?
It was your technique 🙄🤦♂️
You're shaking it wrong, need to throw it back
😂😂😂😂
You didn’t get the full rom and slow eccentric
What angle did you set the protein powder on before drinking? You need to bias the synthesis
2017: The "protein synthesis/science based" era (plus SARMS being available on Amazon), which led to...
2020: The "super ultra mega high volume" era (plus "You might need TRT, better get checked"), which led to...
2023: The "fuck all that, just lift" era (plus "I just do it for the recovery, bro")
High protein crew checking in. Even when those influencer scientists were saying you don't need high protein to build muscle, my results has always been better at 1g+. When cutting 1.5g+ is even better.
I'm more on the side of calories
1g per pound really isn't that much when you eat a meat heavy diet which most Europeans do
I find people obsess over the protein instead of eat that extra 300 cals to put them in an anabolic surplus
I’m in my 20s, I know a guy in his mid-40s who is an old school meathead, Him and his buddies all trained in the late 90s and early 2000s and he has been telling me for a long time 1.5 grams protein per pound. He also constantly emphasizes the only way to get bigger is to get stronger.
Yup, bumped my protein up significantly at the end of last year (thanks to you) and it's made a notable difference in performance and recovery
Just smashed a 100g protein morning smoothie LFG!!
@@Fazlifts Only 100g???? It's 500g minimum for the supraphysiological, science based dose
Perfectly said regarding science. As a physician, I question the research all of the time. In fact, we are trained to see the bullshit in papers.
Congrats on 10k Faz! Well deserved
Thanks!
Great message!
I recommend highly you the work of Angelo Keely on Eaas, he argues as we age the protein synthesis rate dramatically decreases so we should also dramatically increase the intake but digestion and enzyme production can't keep up with it. So the solution is to supplement with eaas. His arguments make a ton of sense, it's been a game changer listening to his podcast with the Mind Pumped guys.
Instantly thought of your videos when that Milo Wolf video dropped. Bodybuilding lore proven right once again
Faz, I need to thank you. I’ve heard you bring up high protein several times and decided to try it. I recover much quicker on 1.2-1.5g and I think that it helped me grow a bit without changing anything.
Great video Faz! Dr. Eric Helms often talks about increase protein demands when you get leaner. So 200lbs and chunky might find 200g protein works great, but someone who is 200lbs and quite lean may need 275g protein to maintain performance and recovery.
Most of the time, when you got leaner, it is because you lost weight. So you might not necessarily need more protein.
its because LBM and probably recovery demands from the more jacked person’s training is higher in ronnie coleman than 320lb novice cutting weight.
One thing that aggrieves me about current "science-based training" celebrity types is that the whole model is anti-scientific. A charismatic authority transmitting "science" to an audience as though it is gnostic wisdom that we plebes can't access directly is not science. Just show me the papers, a couple hundred individuals that are your proof of your hypothetical conclusions, and your personal relentless attempts to _falsify_ the hypothesis, and then I will grant science.
"yeah I believe in SCIENCE, I'm not a dumb religious freak"
>Takes the info of a random person at face value BC science
>can't be bothered to read the scriptures (sorry studies)
>can't even understand the studies
>throws a hissy fit and cries "anti sciencetism" when someone doesn't blindly parrot them
Is science just a modern religion for redditors?
I even commented on Mr Wolfs video, saying about your recent video with Alex and your recommendation of eating more protein.
Thank you for doing that, I really appreciate people putting my name out there.
Please email me at faz@fazlifts.co.uk and I will send you something for free.
Based faz. 170-200g of protein checking in. Beautiful demonstration of what "based on le science" influencers do so so so wrong.
"Research celebrities" 😂 I really enjoy this. I'm gunna start using that!
I kinda love "told you so" Faz
Just subscribed, found you channel couple weeks ago and loved the training stuff! Your view on protein intake makes sense also, I'll be bumping mine up to 200g after today!
Welcome my friend.
"you aren't anti-science you are just anti-them" gold
Menno Henselmans criticized the meta-analysis which found 3 grams of protein per kg bodyweight to provide more muscle than 1.6 g protein per kg bw in a recent instagram post. Might be interesting to see
id guess theres an individual effect and some fussing over optimal vs statistically pretty close vs clearly noticeable. and that your medium term feedback (recovery, prog overload) with cals matched is your best n=1 experiment and worth running because its data that can inform your practices for as long as you are in the hypertrophy game
Who even eats 3g per kg bodyweight lmfao?
Very well said mate 👊👊👊
I put a comment here a month ago saying I was ok on 100g of protein a day at 160lbs. I recently went to 160g or more a day and without a doubt this is the best thing I’ve done to my diet since increasing fiber. Within 2 days my muscles increased and I am way more satiated. Gains and recovery way better.
I'm 34, 6'2", 199lbs, and 12 to 15% body fat. For about a year, I've been consuming 290 to 330 grams of protein a day. However, I was losing fat for a lot of that time (I was 276lbs in March '23 and didn't get back into lifting until May '23). But, I'd say I'm on a proper bulk now, so I'll report back in about a year lol
The newest Peter Attia Podcast with David Allison also saying 0.8 is likely too low for adults in general.
Always felt better, more satieted and recovered better with close to 200gr of proteins per day, despite only being 80kg. My experience also confirms your beliefs, Faz!
I've been taking 0.7 grams per day and to be honest my recovery hasn't been great. Since watching your videos I think I'm gonna try taking 1 grams and see how it goes. Thank you for all the info Faz!!!
It's hard to get more than 180 grams per day on my vegetarian diet, and i can get that on a bulk but on a cut things get very difficult. Luckily the cut is very short.
That is very easy. I got this protein list from someone. Seitan is very low in calories and work great for a cut. I've eaten way more than 180 g of protein with 1700 calories.
Seitan, mycoprotein, tofu, temphe,soy tvp, Pea tvp, Fava bean tofu, red lentils pasta,
Chickpea pasta, soy bean pasta, Quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, lupini beans, soy beans,
Protein powders ( rice, pea, soy etc )
Plantbased protein bars.
@@TheSpecialOne-uw2myHe said vegetarian, not vegan.
No reason why a vegetarian should struggle to get 200g a day when they have eggs and dairy.
@its_james_fitness I know that. I just gave him some options. Still easy 100% plant diet.
@its_james_fitness I know that. I just gave him some options. Still easy regardless.
@its_james_fitness
Yes I noticed that. I just gave him some options. Easy to get way above 180 grams with the list I have him.
Well that catching up came way earlier than I expected.
Ha! Its great to see someone say their opinion with their chest out! Something that annoyed the hell out of me from other creators and science based crew is they make non conclusive statements, probably to protect their brand, under the guise of "it's scientific to not make absolute statements".
Not poking the bear, but it's true when you say that hypertrophy science is not very robust (being generous) and if you were to ask the opinion of hypertrophy/sports science to other researchers in other fields, it's a bit of a jokey tongue in cheek field. Valid, but not robust.
In fairness, the science crew is trusted because they usually don't have many financial drivers for making statements (am I naive for saying this? I don't see how they make money from saying do 30 sets per week and take 0.8g/lb bodyweight protein? Let me know)
What can I say. Excited to try this myself, and see where it takes me.
Special request to make more diet/protein videos in this case. I have a few tricks to save time, energy and money from having a high protein diet but would be great to see how you manage 1.5g/lb every single day.
Let's put some numbers on this; Greg Doucette recently mentioned he's sold 1 million cookbooks. Let's take a science based lifter who has three times as many subs as Greg does. This science based lifter prices his eBooks at around 50 bucks at time and that's just one eBook.
Run the numbers on that...
Then on top of that there are seminars, book sales, sponsorships. Make no mistake, this is BIG-BIG money.
They are incentivised to stand out, to appear they have *something* different.
Can definitely do more diet videos, have one in the pipeline - they tend to flunk though lol
@@Fazlifts ahh I see. The seminars and books make more sense. I was thinking too narrow in traditional supplements and programmes.
"Being right on Reddit doesn't count for very much..." couldn't have said it better. So many people repeat what they've been told works, but anyone can just parrot information to get upvotes -- 99% of the time they haven't learned from their own experience. Reddit is one of the worst echo chambers out there especially for fitness content.
Yep 💯
Hi Faz, i was wondering, how would you organize a full body program in a way that it is bit more strength oriented?
Yeah I ran mostly a full body powerlifting routine to hit my best numbers from 2010 to 2014. I wrote a book about those years so others can benefit:
fazlifts.co.uk/products/the-tactician-fazlifts-full-body-strength
Should we be calculating protein needs based on lean body mass or total body weight?
Total bodyweight, assuming you're 10-20% bodyfat.
The protein recommendations for everything else are lower than those for when people are trying to maximize muscle growth, though, no? Why assume that the body is prioritizing our bodybuilding goals over all these other things? Couldn't it be that our bodies use all the protein they need for everything else, then invest some of the extra into muscle growth?
The other thing is that Milo Wolf and Mike Israetel might not have it right. They might not be ushering in a new era, they might just have the weight of the evidence wrong.
I'm openminded on this. I'll gladly eat and recommend whatever seems best.
With your first paragraph there you've misunderstood my points and you've misrepresented what I've said in the video BADLY. Like, literally did not say that AT ALL.
Second paragraph, focus less on personalities and more on data.
Third paragraph, honestly does not sound like you do. Sounds like you're coming into this with a heavy bias. If you want to appear to be willing to learn then actually watch the video and aim to understand what I'm saying here.
@@Fazlifts Thanks for the response, man!
What did I misunderstand about your first point?
"Your joints, tendons, ligaments all need protein. What about general life? We have a protein requirement for the regeneration of all the cells in our body. Our skin our nails-everything. Everything has a protein requirement. So why, oh why was the protein recommendation given for just our muscles instead of our general protein requirements we need every day, even if we don't train?"
I listened to your explanation and it sounded, to me, like you were saying that we should be considering all the other things that protein does, and thus considering just the muscle-building side of it is short-sighted.
When I look at the research, and see that muscle growth is maximized with less than 1.5 grams of protein per day, I'm not sure if that's enough to maximize the benefits to everything else, but I'm not sure why it wouldn't be, either. That's why I was asking you.
Your other argument is that the current science-based protein recommendations are purely considering muscle protein synthesis, but many of these studies look at hypertrophy. As you mentioned, hypertrophy takes into account both synthesis and breakdown.
I'm not blindly following science-based celebrities. The Jeff Nippard/Mike Israetel/Eric Helms bulking guidelines don't work for me or my audience (skinny guys). They recommend a rate of weight gain based on a percent of body weight, but thin people are lighter and benefit from gaining faster, so it's backwards. I spoke with Eric Helms about it, and he said he agreed with me, and that he would probably update his stance in the next version of his book. I'm super happy to argue with those guys.
My view that skinny guys could gain faster wasn't based on science, but rather my personal experience + 15 years of experience working with thousands of other skinny clients + some basic logic. There's barely any research on that demographic. I can't rely on just the science.
I'm not just interested in hypertrophy research. I'm interested in tradition, wisdom, your experience, personal experiments.
I'm trying to update my protein recommendations for 2025, and I've started working on a video and article. I've gone through the research and spoken with some of these experts. I think Milo was right to look beyond the Morton meta (which does seem low), but I think he's over-emphasizing the Tagawa meta (which seems high).
I'm trying to understand your argument for a benefit up to 1.5g/lbs/day. I'm still not sure exactly where that number comes from.
(For my bias, a lower protein target is easier, so that's nice. It'd be easy if 0.7 was true. But if there's a benefit to more protein, that would give us all better results than we've been getting, which is even better. So it'd be awesome if 1.5 was better.)
What you said originally:
"Why assume that the body is prioritizing our bodybuilding goals over all these other things?"
I did NOT make that assumption.
What you have said here does NOT reflect my statements in the video. I NEVER said the body would PRIORITISE anything. I said we need to provide protein for ALL requirements. So I am not making any kind of assumption at all. I am saying that ALL of these systems have a protein requirement and that is exactly what I said as you literally quoted in your second reply!!!
"Your joints, tendons, ligaments all need protein. What about general life? We have a protein requirement for the regeneration of all the cells in our body. Our skin our nails-everything. Everything has a protein requirement. So why, oh why was the protein recommendation given for just our muscles instead of our general protein requirements we need every day, even if we don't train?"
I asked you not to consider who is saying this but WHAT they are saying because that is how I operate. I don't care who says something or in the manner in which they say it. I care about facts and what works. So when you said this:
"The other thing is that Milo Wolf and Mike Israetel might not have it right. They might not be ushering in a new era, they might just have the weight of the evidence wrong"
I asked you not to care about WHO is saying this, because first of all that is never wise and second of all the implication is there that I care about these things. Which I unequivocally DO NOT
We don't even need to mention names here, because I was saying and preaching this BEFORE ANY OF THOSE GUYS. So they are not part of the discussion in my mind, at all. I have ZERO consideration for what Milo has ever said because nothing he has ever said has resonated with me. That is nothing personal against Milo that is simply the facts.
You asked here:
"I'm trying to understand your argument for a benefit up to 1.5g/lbs/day. I'm still not sure exactly where that number comes from"
Because this is where we differ young man. I am a Coach first, I am a RUclipsr second. My recommendations are not based off studies and fiction they are based on MY COACHING and I am VERY good at what I do.
@@Fazlifts Right, but if the protein requirements for general health are lower than the requirements for maximizing muscle growth, that makes me think that we can keep our skin, nails, and tendons healthy with lower amounts of protein. I'd imagine those things would be doing great with 0.7 g/lbs/day. That might not be the case, but I'm not sure why it wouldn't be. That's my question.
I'm not overly fixated on who is saying what. I'm just saying that I think the THINGS they're saying probably don't line up with the overall body of research, at least as far as I can tell right now.
Okay, so the 1.5 g/lbs/day is coming from coaching experience. That's totally fine. I don't care if you don't reference studies.
(I'm not sure why you think we differ there. I've been a full-time coach for 15 years. I'm not an experienced RUclipsr. I've only made 40 RUclips videos.)
Have you noticed improvements in muscle growth when bringing clients from 1 g/lbs/day to 1.5? When you increase the protein, are you keeping calories the same?
I'm personally guessing 1 g/lb/day is enough to maximize muscle growth for most people, so that's why I'm asking.
I experimented with the lower protein recommendations because if I could get the same progress with less why not?
My progress in strength and muscle growth was similar BUT I did notice way more niggles and pain around my tendons and got a minor pec injury.
I went back to higher intakes and healed up real quick!
If a protocol leads to potentially greater injury risk it’s magnitudes worse imo
Yes another big benefit
Its so sad when we know something, but there is nothing we can do for the masses that just believe anything that the "science based" influencers say. Im just hoping they all go the way of athlean x...forgotten!
We can hope Josh!
Maybe I’m in the minority here but I seem to gain muscle just fine with the 0.7-1.0 gram recommendation. The young guys at the gym are always so worried about protein when they can’t even eat 3,000 calories a day and have no muscle to speak of. I’m a little over 200 pounds at 5’8, less than 20% body fat with abs, so I think I’m doing ok.
Same, went from novice to mid intermediate in 1.5 years with only 80-130g of protein per day while on a cut from Obese to 18-20% BF.
Yeah I do address that here 08:32
@@Fazlifts oh lol i definitely commented way too soon
As of this week, I’ve dropped protein slightly. 180 pounds and was eating around 240g of protein across 5 meals previously. Now trying around 200g over 4 meals and increasing carbs instead. Just to see if there’s any increase in performance during this bulk.
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Welcome to my channel friend.
i am pretty sure i can tell the state of my nitrogen balance by the smell of my stool lol
97kg; 2500 daily calories of which 200-300g is protein.
Loved your apperance on Alexs podcast! Did you cut your hair btw?
Honestly I struggle with eating more than 1g per lb. The financial cost and mental fatigue from eating food that tastes worse and ensuring I hit a high goal without being a soggy toilet role to my friends holds me back.
I know it's not a valid excuse, but it does it make it harder, and that is being a vegetarian.
A realistic goal for me right now to go from 150-180g daily to 180-210g daily is through another scoop of protein powder, because I really don't want to eat more beans or Greek yoghurt. I use a vegan blend of protein powder and I have no issues with it, unlike whey. I also am 185lbs at 22% body fat, so my lean body mass is more like 165-170lbs. So if I ate 200g of protein per day, that would be 1.2g per lb of lean body weight.
I will see what I can do to increase my protein.
Don't miss the section at 08:32
Hi faz, love the content,
High protein gets me acne breakouts, at 81kgs my intake is somewhere between 100 to 140 grams of protein, and i'm satisfied by my rate of progress, that being said, do you have any observations in regards to acne and dietary habits?
Likely related to your choice of protein
Could you list the other times hypertophy science has been wrong?
Hey Faz, thank you for your insights and your Barbarian program, I'm following it on boostcamp for 6 weeks now and its been great.
I have a question that I can't seem to find a proper answer for, its regarding BMI.
I'm 5'5 and I currently weigh 71kg, my BMI is 26.1 which is considered overweight; however, I still look small lol.
What's your opinion on BMI? Do I still keep bulking or should I go back to a lower weight like 68kg? Any videos that address this topic I could perhaps look into?
Thanks a bunch
I'd base it more off bodyfat, try to stay sub-20%
I'm very curious to know how does this translate to individuals who are lifting very hard and training roughly around to failure does that increase the requirement further than what it is recommended. We don't know if most of these studies are individuals who are training very hard. Curious to see your opinion?
I think most of the studies are done on noobs. This video is for lifters.
@ I’m very open to both arguments. Problem is most of these studies are done on either newbie lifters or people are paid To lift so it’s very hard to say if the recommendations work for everyone. Keep doing what you’re doing 🙂.
Do you consider vegan sources a good way to hit this, if proteins are paired to be 'complete'?
Absolutely 💯
In my experience all sources count. My vegan clients have been some of my best ones
I wouldn't place too much importance on trying to pair aminos either, just eat. Your body will figure it out
@@Fazlifts noted. People whining about having to increase the protein should just eat their current (animal) protein as normal, then fill the rest with vegan sources.
Absolutely, that's what I do.
People love the idea of optimality but only when it's convenient. Challenge their perception of optimality and they'll follow you right up until it stops being easy and convenient.
Then watch them squirm 😀
Hitting 1.5 g of protein per lb of lean mass is just tough. I weigh 205 lbs currently and I got down to 190 lbs on my last cut, so I would estimate my lean body mass is somewhere in the ball park of 180? That equates to 270 grams of protein daily. I got to think the standard recommendation has held for so long because it's comfortable for everyone to hit. I can imagine a person new to lifting culture/diet being terrified of trying to hit 1.5x per lb of body weight.
Typically I've been hitting 150 minimum, and most days more like 180 to hit the 1 gram per pound of lean mass. I would like to try and hit the 270 number for a consistent 3 months just to see if it's worth it, but damn, that's a lot of daily protein.
Just do your best my friend, that's all we can do
I get about 250g per day. You. Grow when you sleep before bed I’ll do 300g curd free cottage cheese. 1/3 cup pumpkin seeds. 500ml milk that’s 100g of slow digesting protein all night long. Works great
Are you aware of any health detriments (or research that has measured this) of having 1.5g in the long term? I'm currently at 0.9 to 1g and would go up to 1.5g if it is completely safe to so health-wise, in the long term
As always I am not a medical professional, nor your Doctor. So if you are concerned first point of call is to discuss this with your Dr.
Having said that I am not aware of any issues, in fact only benefits. If I did think it was harmful, I would not do it.
I've naturally gravitated towards 1.5 g/lb just by eating 5 meals with a decent sized lean protein source at each one. Thought I was overdoing it but maybe not!
Faz what do you think staying at once a week frequency? To me its just the best way to balance everything with cardio.
I like it!
The bros HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT
Hey I'm a subscriber to your channel, enjoyed this video but a little confused about protein synthesis and training frequency. Are you saying we shouldn't train a muscle twice a week? I am 55 years old and am wondering how many times a week to train a muscle because I am older,thanks
Hey George, welcome to the channel
Twice is fine, is that what you do?
I'm saying it doesn't matter as much as we were previously told. Previously the fad was to train a muscle 3, 4, 5+ times a week and call anything less suboptimal.
Yes I do twice a week, but I have stalled so I don't know if I should try once a week or maybe more volume. I do lower volume, more intensity
@@georgekakos9081 George stalls generally aren't related to frequency, you can still gain fine on 1, 2 or 3 times a week. Stalls are generally related to diet and not pushing your sets hard enough in the gym.
If you want to follow up on this, I do consultations and coaching.
I do 8 to 12 sets per bodypart per week, and train to failure,but I weigh 180 pounds and eat around 140 grams of protein. Maybe I should try going higher
@@georgekakos9081 there you go
It makes absolutely ZERO logical sense to not be eating 1g/lb at a minimum(non obese people). Not all of the protein we eat is used for strictly building muscle. 1.5g/lb is a great insurance policy and it doesn't even make reaching your protein intake hard....
16oz of chicken is 136g - Meals 1-3 5.3 oz each
3 whole eggs is 18 100g of egg whites is 10 - Meal 4
2 scoops of a whey protein powder is 50 - Meal 5
that is 214 grams from DIRECT sources. Most people consuming this type of content are sub 200lbs. I genuinely do NOT see how 1.5g isnt feasible
I'm starting to get sick of the scientific community nowadays. What happened to just eat well, train hard, sleep well, and stay hydrated? All these buzz titles like bulking is canceled, hammer curls are bad, anything above 4-9 reps bad, low set high intensity only, is becoming too common and if you don't agree with them you're excommunicated. Quick edit here there is nothing wrong with learning about a topic you love and enjoy, its wrong to confuse people and overcomplicate it to the point where people hate it rather more than enjoy it.
In an industry where you are rewarded for clicks and likes these topics typically get more engagement. So these influencers lean into them
I make my money as a coach so I don't have to care about what I put on RUclips
Alex Leonidas alvast couraged 0.8gr per pound of weight (when cutting).
I find it difficult to get +1gr while cutting. Because my cut is maximum 1500 kcal.
Im force feeding chicken daily to get there. Eventough i disslike meat.
Just do what you can brother. Good luck.
I’m 5’7” 200 pounds and have consistently consumed 200-250 grams of protein daily for the last year.
So, noticed any difference for the past year?
@ Man, wish I’d thought of that. Gotta find a good needle guy, I guess.
@@sherr1306 I went from 170 to 200, every lift went up pretty decently, everything except my upper chest grew really well. Biggest downside is the stretch marks on my adductors and lats. And my wife wondering why anyone needs that much chicken.
@@DumptruckFrye😂😂 man how much are you spending a week/month on food? I’d love to eat really good but the money is where it’s hard for me
@ Ha I don’t know. I get protein powder when it’s at a good price. I can’t get all the protein I want through whole foods because I feel like I’m going to explode. My wife finds canned tuna for cheap, and I will knock out two or three of those at a time. I don’t *feel* like I spend that much, but I may be lying to myself to justify my vanity.
How much maximum protein do you recommend per meal
No maximum
Your body figures it out
If you could get it down you could eat 200 grams at one sitting and your body would use it. It would just take you upwards of 24 hours to digest it.
I always had a better body composition while doing high protein via multiple daily protein shakes in addition to lots of meat in my meals.
I Wonder after you implementing higher Protein than 2g per kg of bodyweight, have you Seen more Hypertrophy in your and your clients, especially im the advanced clients? And does IT Progress to a Point ? (More Protein more gainz )
Everything I speak of on this channel is real experience.
So when I say this helps hypertrophy outcomes I mean exactly that.
Been around 170-180 at 195 lb. May try and hit 225 again
Hey coach! I have a question but beware that it may sound stupid loll.
When you talk about protein amount, that is total protein right? So, it includes plant sources like rice, pasta, oats and legumes?
I’ve heard some gym bros only count meats and eggs as protein, but an average guy might get 50-100 grams from plants, so just wanted to clarify.
In my experience with clients, all protein sources count
@@Fazlifts Thanks !! Much love
I experimented w low protein count, as little as 110 and I got great strength progress even on a cut, but my hair thinned out a decent bit on the temples and I had more and more hair in the shower drain, even with biotin. I've been bumping up the protein to 160 and have put myself into maintenance, and I think it's slowed down a decent bit
Sorry to hear that mate
You are a prophet.
I just started my high protein Experiment today, my already stomach hurts, maybe to much whey
I'm about 180 lbs but I only average 100g or so of protein. I try to at least aim for 1g per lb body weight going forward.
Brb, just going to remortgage my house for protein money.
In fairness, every competitive natty bodybuilder I know eats about 1.2g+ per lb of bodyweight.
Well this is a part of the video I didn't mention, but I know a few evidence based influencers who tell their audience to eat 0.7g/lb but if you follow their preps they eat far in excess of that, closer to 1.5g/lb.
There's a degree of gaslighting going on there, and it shows they are not fully bought into the science they preach.
Hypocritical to the nth degree - I have no hang ups about telling people the truth.
That opening was cold! (And I love it! 😄)
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that people want to consider the protein in grams and the bodyweight in pounds. Absolutely stupid. Just use kilos?
You'll figure it out. Try prayer.
I’ve never heard anyone say low protein besides natural hypertrophy and Mr Heart America
Alex Leonidas does now too 0.8 grams per pound of fat free mass to be specific. I think the distinction on why some thrive off of more or less is carbohydrates from whole foods I remember Eric Bugenhagen said the same thing in his vid with fitnessfaq. There's also the question of food quality where I live (Michigan) companies sell a lot of old stock whether plant foods or animal
The only real problem of this diet is that is expensive as hell
Beans count too tho
Beans/rice or beans/chickpeas are a hell of a combo to supplement protein intake. Still no reason other than moral to go vegan, but gotta complement that somehow
@@leonardo9259not vegan either but mixing my rice with beans in my big meat mash dinner bowl is great, free fibre too.
Not really no.
I can financially manage to get 200gr solely by pure protein ( chicken, steak, fish) but to get that extra mile i will look for cheap alternatives to add.
I think Tom Platz said something akin to there not being very many jacked scientists
It’s funny that all the stuff Lyle got shunned for is true😂, lower volume, higher intensity training, high protein
He doesn't feel the need to be liked, and that is very important. Bias is real.
I like John Meadows. He never had to prove anything.
He's the proof himself.
@ A rare example of kind explanations. Not to be right. Just for sake of helping someone.
No bad blood ever needed. No side hit towards anyone… a true teacher!
Good to know. But I am still going to eat between 0.8 and 1g per pound of body weight because I am broke af. Rice and pasta are cheap. Meat is expensive.
Unless you are really trying optimize for some reason (ie competing) that really is enough
What I can say..real science does not have to call itself "science"
i.e. biology, physics
It's sad that Lyle is now put in the "anti-science" camp when he bleedin' invented science based hypertrophy training, and is the only one that has acted in a vaguely scientific fashion regarding new research.
Eating 400 grams of lamb chop and 4 eggs for breakfast as I watch this. So like, at least 100 grams protein to start the day 👍
I definitely notice really high protein intake leads to better composition and recovery. Keeps me lean without really trying. As they say, life’s too short to be a fat kunt.
9:56 🗿
More like hypertrophy scientism am I right?
Ayoooo
Science always catching up with the “bros” lol
Lyle is always right
The guys at Mind Pump been saying this for years on literally every show they do.
This article off their website states they believe in 0.7g/lb: www.mindpumpmedia.com/blog/the-myth-of-optimal-protein-intake
This video they also recommend 0.7g/lb: ruclips.net/video/WdXUq5o0KRg/видео.html
A thumbnail of one of their videos advocating for lower protein is literally on the thumbnail of this video bro lol. You are just completely making stuff up.
Its a little weird to me.... that coincidentally when the bodybuilding community switched from 400-500 grams of protein, down to 200-250 on average for both that physiques changed and got smaller. Just a thought.
Seriously though, its MADDENING when these influencers and evidence based bodybuilders recommend .7-1g of protein per pound of bodyweight for NATTIES. These studies were done on NATTIES. We are enhanced! Lyle Mcdonald also has a very good point that these recommendations completely ignore the protein needs of literally every other tissue in the body that requires amino acids besides muscle growth!
You dont see radical transformations anymore, because we were lied too about these tiny protien goals. You can see the difference night and day when you start eating higher proteins and fats(150-250g) and moderate carbs from whole foods. Not white rice but from potatoes, and parboiled brown rice that actuality has nutrients to help digest the carbs, and help build muscle!
The fitness industry is devoid of nutrients and protein to actually build muscle! You cant build muscle optimally on White Rice and Chicken, wheres the nutrients in that for optimal growth?
Also we are BODYBUILDERS, not small 175 pound natty college kids! We have 200, 220, 230, 270+ pounds of muscle! As the muscle increases, the protein needs cant follow in a linear fashion thats illogical that a 270 pound bodybuilder would only need 270 grams of protein for optimal recovery and growth.
Holy hell the amount of potatoes you would have to eat for calories
Dude I love your energy but we are mostly all natty here 🤣
@marken816 I split them up, 1-2 meals of mashed potatoes, and the rest brown rice.
@@Fazlifts Oops my bad, lol
What about the farts Faz... what about the farts? :l
Usually this occurs when your stomach isn't used to it. It needs time to upregulate. I've been training for 25 years my stomach is bomb proof, I don't have this issue.