The REAL REASON the Celtics Lost to Lakers in 1985
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I think the reason LA won in 85 is because of Kareem. At 38 years old and after a poor game 1 ( the Memorial day massacre) Kareem came back with a vengeance and in the next 5 games put up these per game numbers = 28.4 points and 10.2 rebounds and 6.0 assists and shot 61% from the field. Kareem was the best player on the floor and was indeed the FMVP in 1985
Gee don't forget 32 the Magic Man,the orchestrator.Celtics got lucky lakers had a mental collapse in game2 otherwise the celtics were done.
@@jesuscarbonell3566 The discussion is about the 1985 Finals not the 1984 Finals.
And 23 points on 56% shooting by worthy and 18 points 14 assists per game by magic
@@jesuscarbonell3566Last time I checked this is about 1985, not 1984 and you need to win 4 games out of 7, it wasn't just game 2, the Lakers got outplayed and deserved to lose that series.
Max was always jealous of Bird..He knows Garnett should not be named in the same sentence as Bird...Dont be stupid Max..
Correct
That ‘84 team was bad ass, and we had the baddest player in the world; Larry 3 straight mvps.
84 lakers were better but not as tough. The lakers should have swept them but boston got in their heads.
@@fletch4813 they were pretty evenly matched talent wise. The Celtics just were tougher at that time.
I lost minimum 1000 ON THAT SERIES' we were HURT .....................................
@@fletch4813 Magic blew game 2...
@freein2339 and he missed four free-throws at the end of game 4..
Bird would be even better with today's rules. Larry played his best when the game was finesse and his opponent was playing clean and not real physical.
It was the new 2-3-2 format that played a big roll.Why on earth did they change format? Game 5 would have been in Boston.Maybe Boston wins and goes up 3-2.
I really thought so too at the time. This format was very unfair to the home team.
@@cappy1920 the home court disadvantage.A pivotal game 5 played on the road
As it was the Lakers took 2 out of 3 in Boston anyway. That was their year. They could have played game 2 or game 6 in Red's backyard and it wouldn't have mattered. LA was on a mission.
Kareem turned the clock back and beat the greatest Frontline in NBA history at age 38.
No here's why they lost The trading of Gerald Henderson Okay i get it you trade Henderson and get a high no. 1 pick great and Danny Ainge is ready to start but now you got no depth You are left with Carlos Clark a overated shooter and the worst ball handler at his position I ever saw , Quinn Buckner who fell in KC Jones dog house and for some inexplicable reason gained about 20 lbs during the season and Rick Carlisle who they drafted that year Rick is so slow he makes Larry Bird look like Usain Bolt They added a washed up Ray Williams later that year but KC wouldn't let him play his way into shape,by the time they reached the second round of the playoffs DJ and Danny had no legs Cedric Maxwell knee surgery this is major because it dug into the teams depth even more It put The best six man in basketball ball in the starting lineup and Cedric's career was pretty much done Now the big controversy about this was that after Cedric came back from his operation it was thought he didn't put much effort in rehabbing his knee thus the thought that he quit on the team Which brings us to the resident MVP Larry Bird Larry was on his way to having his greatest statistical year ever but couple of things happened on the way to the playoffs and facing the Lakers in the finals First he developed bone chips in his shooting elbow towards the end of the regular season which definitely effected his shooting in the playoffs he sprained his ankle early in the conference finals against Philadelphia but more importantly during that series i believe after game 3 he got into a bar fight and damaged his finger on the right hand and that ladies and gentlemen is all she wrote after that he really had trouble shooting. Now you couple the fact that KC after the all-star break stopped playing the bench (he did this in the 87 season too)by the time the finals came they were done they weren't going to beat that 85 Lakers team no matter what format Yeah that great game 1 the infamous Memorial Day Massacre but after that Lakers had them the Lakers were fresh hungry for revenge and too much depth
Casey Jones should have played Scott Weidman more
The Celtics won in 1984 when the Lakers were better. Lakers won in 1985 when the Celts were better. It came down to which team had more in the tank at the end of the series.
Very true👍🏻
Garnet was a great player. And he may have been the 2nd best Celtic ever. Perhaps the most individually athletic. But there’s no way he was a better *overall* player than Larry Bird. …No way.
AGREED.Larry Bird is the best overall player in nba history.In an interview even Kareem gave Bird his due,saying they couldn't stop him and he could do EVERYTHING.
John Havlicek was probably the 3rd greatest Celtic behind Russell and Bird. Was Garnett a better power forward than Kevin McHale? Not really. He couldn't stop McHale in the post. Garnett was more athletic but I really can't put him above Kevin in any measure.
@@smokeyjoe795 However, celtics garnett was older. Timberwolves garnett is better than McHale
I watched some of these games in 85; And Yes Max didn't give His all in those games. You could tell watching that "For Some Reason" Maxwell Didn't give a shit about even being there in those games. Larry wasn't Lying when He said, Max Quit On Them, You can SEE that watching those games in 85.
1985 was a special year for Lakers redemption it was they averaged 126 ppg in the playoffs 🔥
Jordan wasn’t better than Bird but KG is? What an absolute joke.
Remember also that in the last game, KC Jones barely used the bench players ..and the starters were beyond burned. Not to take anything from the Lakers because they played with motivation
I love KG but saying that Kevin Garnett is the best all around player the Celtics have ever had, is literally nothing short of insane. Because if he's better than Bird, that means he's also better than Jordan, Magic and Russell. And I say that because Larry is always in the conversation as the GOAT along with Jordan and Magic; and Russell of course was a Celtic. With all due respect to KG, that is just NUTS!!!
That is NUTS if you think Bird is a top 5 player ever!!!
Mj, Kareem, Magic 🎩, Russell, Lebron, Duncan, and Wilt were all better. Literally, no one outside of Boston thinks Bird was the best player, ever!
@@maa7332 Bird was better than Russell. Red said it and Magic is an incomplete player compared with Bird. Duncan was never on goat conversation while Larry yes. With the rest, I agree with you
@@franagustin3094
#1. Duncan never had an opportunity to be that acclaimed guy because he came after Bird, Magic 🎩, Russell, MJ, and Kareem.
Bird was talked about infrequently as the best of all time outside of Boston as he was a contemporary with Mj, Magic, and Kareem in someways. The dust on how good each would become had not been determined yet.
For examples, Magic and Mj won all their MVPs after Bird won all of his awards while Duncan won his after the entirety of the aforementioned players.
We could see their final heights and knew that Duncan did not surpass most of those guys' peaks in real time - except Bird.
#2. Bird might have been skilled, but he did not have a greater impact on winning than Russell.
@@maa7332 Duncan was not as skilled on passing y shooting like Bird. Rusell played with better players
@@franagustin3094 Bird was not the post up player, rebounder, and winner like Duncan. Russell was clearly the star on his team. Bird had numerous allstar players on his teams including 3 HOFs.
Seems you are looking at peak versus peak and overall career play.
So what was the real reason? Larry got into a bar fight the night before? That went by pretty fast, guys.
Maxwell was tremendously limited due to a knee injury; he barely played. And Bird played with a very injured elbow.
The fact is that Bird shit the bed in the deciding game in both '85 and '87. No bar fight in '87. He just shit the bed again, period. Without those few meaningless points at the end of those games, his stats would have been horrible. Just have to watch those games.
The reason was the Celtics couldn't contain #33 wearing the goggles in purple and gold. Parish tried, they doubled and tripled teamed him but Abdul-jabbar was the greatest.
@@smokeyjoe795 Exactly!!!!
@@nasifw No one loves Bird more than I do but and I lived through these years and remember it all. First in '85 he also had an elbow injury and his shooting was very inconsistent throughout the playoffs so I don't think he choked , but he wouldn't make excuses for himself & neither will I. In '87 game 6 as much as it pains me to say I always thought he flat out quit ! He was no where to be found in that game until the very end where he scored some garbage points but lets face it they had ZERO chance that series with the injuries they had. To add I always felt he quit in game 6 of the '88 ECF where he basically did the same thing.
The Celtics had very little bench that year, particularly after Cedric Maxwell went down and Kevin McHale had to go into the starting lineup. McHale was the better player, but it also weakened the Celtics when they had to go to their bench.
There were also the injury issues, particularly with Larry Bird and the bone chips in his elbow. He just wasn't the same consistent shooter he had been throughout the season. All year long, the Celtics relied on Bird to bail them out when they needed a big play, and when they were unable to get that type of performance consistently from him in the playoffs, they sputtered, gasped and ultimately died against the Lakers.
The real reason was because Kareem decided to kick Parish’s butt in the post when everybody called him old
Bird and max were Injured plus trading gerry Henderson hurt too. Lakers were due though
Gerald Henderson had been traded to Seattle the summer before the 1984-85 season.
That was for the dreaded pic for Len
Simple the Lakers didn’t make the mistakes they made in 84 and they were tougher and ready for The Celtics. They were the better team In 85.
They lost because the Lakers was better that year. The same way the Lakers lost in 84.
Just the opposite I think. Most thought LA had the better team in '84, and Boston in '85.
Wrong.
@@MP-tf7cc How was Boston better in 85? Maxwell didn't factor at all. We know the Lakers cameback in 85 more determined, tougher, even better with Worthy and Scott maturing into star players.
I don't see where Boston was a better team in 85. Overall they were evenly matched.
@@smokeyjoe795 Celtics were vulnerable in 85, and the intense Lakers exploited them.
Correct
Bird was better than Garnett this is really dumb.
85 Lakers the first Lakers team to beat the Celtics and the only team to win the championship in the Boston Garden
Till Steph and the Warriors in 2022, thank god they did
Bird broke his hand punching some drunk in Hyannis
Love C. Maxwell. Great player. Great Celtic. Under appreciated. Obviously a smart and capable guy, too. But his suggesting that Garnett is better than Bird is remarkably silly and utterly unsupported by the stats, the win/loss record and the championships. Makes me think Mr Cedric was, on the whole, kinda’ wounded by his time in Boston. But bottom line: Cedric Maxwell’s a good guy.
I always felt that the Lakers should have won in '84 and the Celtics should have won in '85.
Lakers owned Celtics in 1985
Corn do you remember playing St. Francis your senior year?
The same reason for all losing teams: Playing a better team
Birds fight in that bar hurt the Celtics really bad
Its very simple. The Celtics lost because they didn't score as many points as the Lakers. Duh.
I recall a video of the Lakers celebration in the locker room and the Celtics paid and visit and congratulated them. Or was I seeing things?
83”-84” Celtics were absolutely talented!!!
Lakers were much more talented in every Finals vs Celtics in 1980s. However, Boston & Bird played with more heart, more scrappy & in '84 especially wanted it more!
@@davidclark8543 they wouldn’t have if they had met in 86. It’s not fair to adjust 1987 because that was just a mismatch with how decimated Boston was.
@@zt1053 The point I was making is the Lakers had more talent overall & far superior athletically. Kevin McHale would attest to that & has. But yes in 1986 the Celtics were not to be matched even if L.A. would've outlasted the Rockets. Doesn't change the fact the Lakers were more talented individually (Magic, Worthy, Jabbar, Cooper). But as a squad, with DJ, Bird, Parish, McHale & a loaded bench with Walton, Sichting & Wedman the Celtics would have totally demoralized Los Angeles that season
And ya, injuries are part of it too. What if Lakers were healthy in '89 Finals? Threepeat!
Coming from a huge Celtics & Sonics fan in the 1980s, I give Magic & the Lakers their due despite hating them!
I’ll give Maxwell this… 2008 KG might have been the best two-way player the Celtics ever had. I think Hondo might have something to say about it. Regardless, Russell and Bird were definitely better players than KG.
Great book by Dan even though he's earned a reputation as a douche. Great stories including a hilarious one of Quinn Buckner during the 84 Finals LMAO! Chief & wife absolutely hated him!
Because he was a rat
Bird was by far the best all around player in the game. And as much as I admire Magic md Bird, Lebron James is in the discussion as best all around as well. Those three can do anything.
Oscar gets forgotten too. Hakeem
He was the best but not by far. Magic Johnson was in the zip code with Larry. I give Bird the edge but it was a debate.
celtic guards shot 6 for 31 in the 6th game. thats freaking what i would shoot
The real question to ask is this....if the Lakers had beaten Houston in 86, Boston and L.A. would have played vs each other 4 straight finals. Bird actually said the 86 Boston team was the best Boston team ever. So 86 Boston vs L.A. finals, who wins?
If the majority of you say Boston wins, then they would have been 2-2 in the finals vs each otherin the 80's. As a Laker fan in the 80's, I can live with that. Simply put, Boston vs L.A. in the finals in the 80's were the best series ever. Ever!!!! I hated Boston then, but dammit I love all of the players now. That's called RESPECT for the enemy.
"This series was lost because of jabbar "/ LARRY bird- after losing to the Lakers in game 6 , / 111-100 ( june of 1985)
Max is one of those happy go lucky closest racist.
This is from an LA Lakers fan since 1965-66. The LA Lakers blew the 1984 NBA finals. But that series showed that Henderson and Maxwell starting and McHale and Ainge coming off the bench made the Celtics a force for the Lakers to reckon with. I always thought the Celtics made a mistake in starting McHale and trading Maxwell (who I believe was an underrated very tough player). To me, Maxwell was the key player who decided both series. Plus Ainge as a backup for Henderson made the Celtics bench very strong. But I must admit, the 1985 Lakers finally beating the Celtics was the highlight of my watching the NBA. I still relish that victory to this day.
Cedric Maxwell is not an objective human being to think Kevin Garnett is as good as Larry Bird means you got hit in your heart for Larry and you're not being objective . You should never look at race on determining who's a better player or person it's based on facts and if you're trying to be a good person a good Christian person or just a good person in general you're not going to make your decisions based on race if someone's better than the other person
Jabbar baby
I don't buy the injured finger argument because it should have heeled by the start of the series, especially by Game 6. Bird still shot 45% for the series, but he typically shot poorly against the Lakers for the rest of his career. The Lakers had his number.
I'm a C's fan, but Coop used to give Bird HELL lol
I think the 2-3-2 format had something to do with the Celtics loss to the Lakers.
Excuses
Garnett better than Bird, Havlicek, Russell, Walton, Parrish, Sam Jones.......? Give me a break!
They lost because the NBA change the format. Before, it 2-2-1-1-1, and then in 1985 it became 2-3-2. In 1985 as in 1984, the Celtics won game 4 in LA but in 1985, game 5 was in LA. If game 5 was played in Boston in 1985, then I'm sure Boston would have won the '85 series in the same way that the Celtics did in 1984. And in1987, the Lakers won because the Celtics were injured (Mchale's broken foot), Walton and Wedman were injured and the Celtics number 1 draft, Len Bias died before the season started. The Lakers were lucky in 85 and 87.
I wish would let go of his insecurities toward Larry Bird. No way in hell was Kevin Garnett was on the level of Larry Bird. Jesus fookin christ, Max, stop your jealousy! Get over it