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And horribly too, a family would be deprived of a father and loving husband, all due to a strict mandate and objective the clones had to obey. Desertion was not tolerable. But no, heaven forbid we show that side of the war. Let's just have them be friends at the end and go their separate ways without any repercussions.
@@MF-qo7vv Granted, that could be because he didn't really have the opportunity to do so. Outside of the movies, the only time he's ever had a chance to portray the clones is in Republic Commando and the original Battlefront games.
@@cooler3613 Like I said. He never really got the opportunity to do so. His filmography during TCW was rather sparse, so I doubt that he was unavailable. Maybe he wasn't interested in doing the show.
Tbh I think it would be great to have it from the perspective of the Clone commandos, considering over half were wiped out during the Battle Of Geonosis. It'd be the perfect excuse to have little to no jedi interactions aside from cameos.
@@FukubeHattori agreed. And honestly a live action Clone Wars film would be the biggest cash grab ever, but you know what? I'm completely willing to spend money to watch some clone bois in action, especially commandos. Give us a new squad of commandos who just don't get along with each other considering half of the squad are surviving members of another team. I'd love to see that.
@@cooler3613 "Hey I found a few instances where SOME jedi did some hypocritical things and have flaws like every human (sentient) being that totally justifies mass genocide and erecting a totalitarian regime that enslaves the majority of the galaxy. Lets also not talk about the countless lives they've saved and all the millenia of peace and prosperity their presence provided"
I grew up reading Star Wars comics. I didn’t end up watching the Clone Wars till my twenties. I actually kinda had a problem with how likeable the clones were in the show compared to how I’d read about them being. Alpha, and others like him were no doubt written to show how easy it would be for the clones to turn against the Jedi. In the show they had to add the chips, because of how likeable the clones were. Don’t get me wrong it was a great arc, and very tragic. But, some part of me wishes we could have gone the chip-less route. The Alpha route.
Honestly I find clones who lean more towards the Dark Side and probably would've supported Sidious (Alpha, Fordo, Baracca, Delta Squad, Cody and Gree) to be way more interesting than Light Side rebellion clones like Rex or Fives.
@@samueldimmock694 Basically how everyone feels about cannon in general. I have my own favourit series of events, you have yours, he has his, she has hers, etc. If I don't like a thing it didn't happen in my canon, same for you, him, her, so on. I still remember the meltdown when Disney said "Legends" was no longer "Canon" and thinking to myself "That's cute, get back to me when you've got mind control and we'll talk about how much you actually dictate my thoughts." Fuck I know some people that don't consider anything but your BASIC force powers (Telekinesis, Persuasion, Restore, Lightning) canon because everything else is "Too over the top" and if that's the version of Star Wars they wanna enjoy, that's the version they are gonna enjoy, regardless of what George, Disney, or anyone else wants to say about it.
Considering these clone soldiers were genetically "chips off the old block" (Jango Fett being the old block in this analogy), microchips narratively fitted _right in_ with the clone soldiers!🧬🧠😆
Alpha 17 is pretty much Sev from "Republic commando" Delta squad mixed with Speirs from "Band of Brothers". A clone version of "BoB" would be a great thing, but let's face it, it ain't happening. Also, i always liked the guy cause his attitude towards the Jedi was: "Want my respect? Earn it".
Vos went back to his Clone Wars era characterization in Dark Disciple. Apparently, his more jovial personality was a throwback to when he and Obi-Wan were Padawans.
Sam Bridgers wait what? I heard dark disciple changed quinlans legends personality and story drastically in several ways. I’m not completely comfortable talking about those differences both since I haven’t read it myself only seen some tibs of text and I also don’t want to spoil anything.
Real talk: I can't decide which version of the Clone Wars I like better; the original, gritty interpretation from the CW multimedia project or TCW for having some of the best characters and stories in the universe.
It’s hard to take the bio-chip information, and retcon it into the old Clone Wars stuff. Originally, the Clones simply followed orders and the chain of command. Order 66 was one of many general orders created for the Grand Army Of The Republic. One of many orders that the Clones were trained since birth to obey. Some refused to obey because they had grown as individuals, and learned to not to blindly follow orders. Some were out of contact when the order went down. Some ever questioned if the order was real or enemy tampering. These all made for interesting stories. The bio-chip is just an “evil mode” switch. Now, there has to be some convoluted reason why the chip didn’t work, or was removed. The most interesting thing about the chip is if it rewrote the Clones’ memories and altered their brain chemistry. There’s a comic where a Clone actually says he couldn’t remember the battles he fought along side the Jedi, and he just saw them as the enemy. He later realized what he did and regretted it.
Ironic, the clones in Legend Where Mandalorians that Where loyal to the Sith lord Darth Sidious AKA Palpatine & Both destroyed the Jedi order, it really brings up the thousand of years history of Mandalorian & Sith’s working together to overcome the Republic & Jedi Order & the Clones & Palpatine manage to do so
It's almost like it was deliberately done to have a Mandalorian clone army Because of all the past wars and hatred the Republic had towards Mandalorians....1.the acceptance of slave soldiers 2. The Jedi disliking and being distrusting of clones 3. Not caring about the soldiers lives 4. And making Mandalorians the scape-goat as the masterminds for destroying the Jedi, "the jedi and clones fought each other because of the tension between the two groups. Just Race and Religion, causing violence as always, with no outside influence or possible conspiracy!" - Palpatine
I am an adult and always saw snippets of SWTCW and always thought, thats a series for children. But later i started watching and was really suprised how violent and also cruel this series is. But yes... you could easily make this series more dark
godwrote01 maul gutting Satele was pretty brutal. Like I knew he took your legs but wouldn't have been more cruel but not Satan cruel to cut her legs off right in front of him and forced him to watch her suffer in unbearable agony as her mind tries to rationalize what's happened to 1/4 of her body ? TBH, I just realized how fucking dark this would have been instead. Okay, the gutting was far more merciful and got results. Damn, I should start going back and making Dark deaths or scenarios 🤔
I would love a darker setting in a clone wars style show. Maybe follow the story of the republic commando novels and explore more how the clones got raised and what morally questionable things happend on spec-ops mission.
While I like Alpha I’m glad they diversified the clone personalities. I like clones like Rex, Cody, Fives, Waxer and Boil just as much as I enjoy the rude, cynicism and blunt nature of Alpha. Also, calling him “morally questionable” is an understatement. Guy was a callous, brutal, smart, sociopathic killer, but we enjoy him all the same.
*A person enslaved to fight and die in war at birth, has a mindset and personality based on and caused by only knowing death, killing and war.* -Thinks about killing people because he's forced to and because he wants to live. *Spoiled, privileged, ungrateful kid who watches and is a fan of seeing slave-soldiers fight and die, but doesn't care or think about the millions of slaves-soldiers who die unless they are a main character to the show (because that's not clear insanity and sociopathic thinking)* -GASP "I'm looking down on and judging the morality of a fictional character, that has the same life and circumstances as Millions of other human beings experience in the world existing in reality right now! " Nothing morally questionable about being aware of slavery and evil, ignoring it, and just only calling the victim bad, and also just hurling....lots of evil insults and accusations, again Only towards the victim....which is kinda disturbing and seems unnecessary....oh, and also accusing the victim of Some kind of "mental illness" without having any knowledge of medicine, psychology, or the person being accused's actual symptoms...all done without any care about honesty, the truth, the clear malice your actions were done with, or whether or not your actions are harmful or wrong....
I hate fortnight Give me a reason why i shouldn’t The game is shit. Hope that EA ditches Star Wars as should Disney. SW universe must be developed by a company with some ideas.
It would have been cool to see Alpha and Rex be cooperative leaders and you could visibly see them go down different paths as they meet darker struggles.
I love the original Clone Wars multi media project (mostly the Dark Horse comics and the animated micro series) for its grittiness and the scale of the battles. There is one image from a Dark Horse story (I think it was Forever Young or a similar sounding name) that always stuck with me. A full page of a Clone Army deploying and rushing into battle. LAATs dropping off troops, AT-TEs and artillery firing and Troopers firing in line formation.
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I don't know if I agree. Afaik we don't know anything of what happens to Alpha after Boz Pity, and given that everything we know about him is before the inhibitor chip arc. This means that Alpha stands out not on a moral spectrum but one of law vs. chaos, and which clone was more willing to ignore orders than Alpha? The question for Alpha wouldn't have been Empire or Republic as much as it would have been Anakin or Obi-Wan, and I really think that his path would have been more complicated than you're suggesting.
If they made Alpha the Clone Wars character rather than Rex, I actually think they could have brought him in as an actually competent Imperial enemy on Rebels, perhaps as an Inquisitor/Purge Trooper Commander, helping the Inquisitors Hunt the Jedi
Heck even having both would have been interesting, 2 very similar but also different clones who have a bitter rivalry in the clone wars and then seeing them face off in rebels to see who is truly superior
In cannon clone commandos had inhibitor chips as Rex said in Star Wars rebels that wolf Gregor and himself had removed theirs and how could Gregor remove his if he didn’t have one.
Alpha-17 in many ways reminds me of Frank Castle from Punisher MAX. Still I liked Rex and seeing both of them would have been interesting and could have been worked into the story as Rex could easily have been Alpha's replacement as as Alpha was reassigned as a instructor for the ARC-training programs. It could have been fun hearing Rex and other clones complaining about Alpha as a drill-instructor from hell :-)
Now I´m curious if they wanted at first to produce TCW as a mere extent of the darker tone of the Clone Wars in Legends, specially in Republic books. I not saying that TCW doesn´t has it´s own brutal moments, but in the general spectrum, it was more "cheerful" compared to what the Clone Wars was before 2008. Clones being almost to the letter like Prime Minister Lama Su told Obi-Wan in Attack Of The Clones; creative, yet very obedient, but without room to really express themselves.
and the jedi accepted a slave army because it was easy. as Skirata puts it, they didn't ask questions, they just picked up the blaster they found on the floor. Expedience ambushes you in the end.
I would have loved to have both Rex and Alpha and their interactions with Fives and Krell, as well as their opposing viewpoints as the War went on, coming to a head when Order 66 went down
Studies have show that 2 in 3 people will torture and kill people just because someone in authority tells them to, when adding surviving the horrors of war it's understandable why Rex's choice is so rare in both the series and reality.
The answer is that no legend trooper had inhibitor chips as while tcw is technically canon cause lucas threw a fit it doesn't fit at all in any timeline and is mostly contradicted or ignored.
Gotta disagree with you a bit here. Alpha was created to serve the Republic, to kill the sith, and to Win the war against the separatists. Ahsoka would have been a competent resource to him, one of few he was allowed when surrounded by jedi. He would not have been quick to discard that resource for no reason, if he lacked a chip. Having killed Krell before even learning of his true plans, Alpha would not see the leadership of the republic as sacrosanct, especially not a robe wearing sith that so reminded him of Krell and Dukoo. He would see the malfunction of the inhibitor chips as a vital weakness in his army, in his mission. He would not have been able to deduce a tactical benefit to killing all the jedi at the end of the war for the Republic, but he could plainly see the instability and danger of having inhibitor chips which could cause troops to turn on their commanders mid battle, thats just bad tactics most of the time. Alpha would likely see Sidious as just an extension of the Separatists, a threat to the Republics effort to win the war. He is a critically thinking clone, not prone to the imperial doctrine of following orders without question, which IS THE IMPERIAL WAY. Questioning orders, doing what you think is smart and right in place of idiocy or inefficiency is much closer to a Rebel mindset than you might think. He would see the take over of the Empire, the disbanding and ceasing of the clones, and the murder of the Jedi and ousting of all their supporters and friends within the military as an undo strain on the country he was created to defend, and against the race of clones he was a part of. The empire would give Alpha absolutely no reason to remain loyal if he wasn't completely clueless up to order 66, and he would even then be at least heavily vocal about all the dumb decisions the Empire was making, like downgrading their fighter core, doing away with most of the clones, not seizing the droid armies, and the countless and constant murder of officers for little to no reason by Vader and Palps people. That would put him on their shit list, and he would either evac himself to safety, potentially even join the Rebellion to Restore the Republic, or he would be confronted and killed by Darth Vader. He would certainly fall out with the Empire, just in a very very different way and for very different motivations. You said it yourself Geets, Rex and Alpha are very similar and neither of them are storm troopers. Neither of them take bad orders quietly, and neither of them would exchange the republic, and their clone brothers, for the Empires endless suppression wars and own special brand idiocy and instability.
I wish we would get a more realistic take on Star Wars. I love Star Wars and all the weird stuff in the EU and one of my favorite parts is the New Jedi Order books. The Yuuzhan Vong were a much more realistic enemy than most. They killed off some major characters, though they should have killed more, and they gave the jedi a real challenge. The Rebels and Clone Wars tv shows dumb down their enemies a lot, Rebels more than Clone Wars, and they make the story really childish. I hate that those parts of the canon that could have really amazing, complex, and possibly even mature stories are made into mostly jokes and easy to digest material for children. I hope one day we can have some more morally complex characters and stories in Star Wars. I wish it was treated as more than a story for kids
Am I the only one who absolutely hates the bio implant part from the new clone wars? It makes the whole order 66 scene a lot less dramatic and real. The scene is not about showing how blind loyalty and patriotism combined with the harsh reality of war makes people do terrible things and showing just how much the Jedi never understood the clones anymore, now it is a bunch of noble good guys killing a bunch of noble good guys, but it's not their fault, it was all due to the evil bio-chips implanted by the evil Sith lord, so kids can still watch this scene without asking themselves difficult questions. It's just bad.
I actually had a comic with Alpha in it. It came with an action figure of that very same commander. Except I don't remember that ARC trooper being called Alpha at all. Or maybe I just skipped over it because I was only 5 years old at the time and can't remember.
I think dogma in the umbara arc was a representation of Alpha 17. Which goes to show how rex isn’t much like a normal clone. Rex took after anakin’s compassion, loyalty to his men, and doing the right thing.
They should've had Alpha 17 replace Appo due to his personality and discontent for Jedi. Then in season 7 the 501st could have a quasi civil war when they are divided.
Thebwas no reason other than making the clones more kid friendly when they introduced the brain chip. Because the Movie Clones knew what was going to happen. They knew it very well.
They didn't know. It would make no sense, as the Jedi would have figured it out long in advance. The only place where they knew is the old BF2 video game, which slapped together a single player campaign and added some dialogue, but that contradicts everything else from the books and comics. The chips make sense, because if they weren't there, none of the clones would just betray their generals for some old guy they've never met. The whole army would revolt.
I like both of them. In fact if I was to have a dream team of clones. My 4 would be Captain Rex Alpha 17 Fordo Boss . Though it would be interesting trying to keep the Arks troopers to play nice with the cammando.
Krell: Alright we shall March right into the capital Fives: You crazy? *Krell puts saber to fives throat* Alpha: Sir you are under arrest for sabotage Krell: *well shit*
alpha: sorry krell we are removing you from command for incomitance krell: you dare question me clone!? alpha: it's alpha and you are under arrest hand over your saber
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Geetsly's why would he kill a clone like cut who’s figured they have free will unless it’s like how jango killed a clone
Was this part of legends
Geetsly's your into bothers me you do not go to attention for a Sargent at all
Holy shit Geetsly, that was such a smooth transition that I almost barely noticed.
“They grow up loyal to the Republic, or they don’t grow up at all.”
-Alpha 17
The only true way
This is the way
Braedon knott i have spoken
@@theoneandonlyquasarsaurus this is the way
So is the will of the force
Ah Alpha! The guy who suggested to Obi-wan that they should assassinate every political leader on Jabiim.
Wasnt wrong
Probably would have worked too
Obi-Wan had the moral *H I G H G R O U N D*
And yet in the end, he was vindicated.
YeS
A dark gritty war movie about clones, band of brothers-style would be so epic!
Michael Starwars Right?!?
U guys should read republic commando series by Karen traviss
ramon garcia I have been tempted to try them!
7th legion Imperial Fists hands down best ever if u want a dark story the commandos personalities are so fleshed out
Bad Batch?
I wish Fordo was in the clone wars
@ToaNater Films - Imagine him and Alpha working together.
@@ARCtrooperblueleader ahh dude that would be Awesome!!!!!!!
@ToaNater Films The only reason he isn't in the series is because Dave Filoni doesn't like Fordo.
ToaNater Films yup, at least we got a figure
@@cooler3613 please no swearing or I will block you
The episode where rex is sheltered by a traitor clone would’ve ended quickly
Lol
And horribly too, a family would be deprived of a father and loving husband, all due to a strict mandate and objective the clones had to obey. Desertion was not tolerable.
But no, heaven forbid we show that side of the war. Let's just have them be friends at the end and go their separate ways without any repercussions.
Would’ve KILLLED for a realistic dark Clone Wars series. Featuring Temuera Morrison as the voice for the clones
TheTroll Mastah OH MY MANDA‘YAIM _YES_ !
But Morrison doesn't give the clones much feeling.
@@MF-qo7vv Granted, that could be because he didn't really have the opportunity to do so. Outside of the movies, the only time he's ever had a chance to portray the clones is in Republic Commando and the original Battlefront games.
Matthew Fisher Morrison can do emotion, it’s just that Lucas didn’t want him to. He’s a much better voice than DBB.
@@cooler3613 Like I said. He never really got the opportunity to do so. His filmography during TCW was rather sparse, so I doubt that he was unavailable. Maybe he wasn't interested in doing the show.
We need clone wars movie where the movie can just focus on clone Soldier There point of view of war
Tbh I think it would be great to have it from the perspective of the Clone commandos, considering over half were wiped out during the Battle Of Geonosis. It'd be the perfect excuse to have little to no jedi interactions aside from cameos.
EXACTLY! That would be great, but Disney doesn't care which sucks at least the clone wars is coming back.
@@FukubeHattori agreed. And honestly a live action Clone Wars film would be the biggest cash grab ever, but you know what? I'm completely willing to spend money to watch some clone bois in action, especially commandos. Give us a new squad of commandos who just don't get along with each other considering half of the squad are surviving members of another team. I'd love to see that.
@@nccarlinncc Iv'e always wanted a clone wars live action movie about the clones.
@@FukubeHattori same. Here's to hoping Disney gets smart and makes one.
War is hell. Chaotic. Bloody. Brutal. Cruel. All the things Jedi aren't. *Can't* be.
Order 66
@@cooler3613 "Hey I found a few instances where SOME jedi did some hypocritical things and have flaws like every human (sentient) being that totally justifies mass genocide and erecting a totalitarian regime that enslaves the majority of the galaxy. Lets also not talk about the countless lives they've saved and all the millenia of peace and prosperity their presence provided"
@@patternwhisperer4048 it really gets old
hey you let’s not talk about all the lives they’ve ruined or Wars they’ve started.
@@cooler3613 or the babys the stole or the childsoldiers or the slave/clonearmy or the attack on the senate because of his religion.
Star Wars is so much cooler with a darker tone that’s why I loved republic commando
Agreed
And... The mandalorian songs... That gave me chills first Time, even i would sing it if i were a Mercenary, cuz it's epic as hell.
I grew up reading Star Wars comics. I didn’t end up watching the Clone Wars till my twenties. I actually kinda had a problem with how likeable the clones were in the show compared to how I’d read about them being.
Alpha, and others like him were no doubt written to show how easy it would be for the clones to turn against the Jedi.
In the show they had to add the chips, because of how likeable the clones were. Don’t get me wrong it was a great arc, and very tragic. But, some part of me wishes we could have gone the chip-less route. The Alpha route.
Honestly I find clones who lean more towards the Dark Side and probably would've supported Sidious (Alpha, Fordo, Baracca, Delta Squad, Cody and Gree) to be way more interesting than Light Side rebellion clones like Rex or Fives.
Before George Lucas sold Star Wars the comics and video games outside of his movies whenever considered Canon to him. He said it himself
@@ADmillionaire If that's true, nobody cared, because the only other people who didn't consider it canon were people who didn't know it existed.
@@samueldimmock694 Basically how everyone feels about cannon in general. I have my own favourit series of events, you have yours, he has his, she has hers, etc. If I don't like a thing it didn't happen in my canon, same for you, him, her, so on. I still remember the meltdown when Disney said "Legends" was no longer "Canon" and thinking to myself "That's cute, get back to me when you've got mind control and we'll talk about how much you actually dictate my thoughts."
Fuck I know some people that don't consider anything but your BASIC force powers (Telekinesis, Persuasion, Restore, Lightning) canon because everything else is "Too over the top" and if that's the version of Star Wars they wanna enjoy, that's the version they are gonna enjoy, regardless of what George, Disney, or anyone else wants to say about it.
Considering these clone soldiers were genetically "chips off the old block" (Jango Fett being the old block in this analogy), microchips narratively fitted _right in_ with the clone soldiers!🧬🧠😆
Alpha 17 is pretty much Sev from "Republic commando" Delta squad mixed with Speirs from "Band of Brothers". A clone version of "BoB" would be a great thing, but let's face it, it ain't happening. Also, i always liked the guy cause his attitude towards the Jedi was: "Want my respect? Earn it".
Bob clone wars would be amazing. Love the clone wars and band of brothers would be amazing
@@dragonweezle4876 so... what would he give the captured droids? Because... death sticks ain't shit to them.
Sean D.G god I’m glad I found other people who like BoB :,)
@@2008-wii-remote likewise. Question still stands, tho... ideas?
I doubt that Alpha would be as dark in TCW as he was in the comics, similar to how drastically Quinlan Voss got changed in the series.
Vos went back to his Clone Wars era characterization in Dark Disciple. Apparently, his more jovial personality was a throwback to when he and Obi-Wan were Padawans.
@@sambridgers9543 where can I read the comics
@@darthhidious887 It's the pre-Episode I era Republic comics.
@@sambridgers9543 your an angel man. Any specific place or website?
Sam Bridgers wait what? I heard dark disciple changed quinlans legends personality and story drastically in several ways. I’m not completely comfortable talking about those differences both since I haven’t read it myself only seen some tibs of text and I also don’t want to spoil anything.
Alpha-17: I tip my helmet to you, one legend to another. *tips helmet*
Captain Rex: *tips helmet back in respect*
Prime
*Ahh i see your a man of culture as well.*
The west is dead, there’s no need for gunslingers anymore
M’brother
@@legionprime7715 You play on xbox? I'm a legion main!
Alpha is my absolute favorite ARC. "They grow up loyal to the Republic, or they don't grow up at all." He had me at that quote.
Real talk: I can't decide which version of the Clone Wars I like better; the original, gritty interpretation from the CW multimedia project or TCW for having some of the best characters and stories in the universe.
Sometimes, you don't have to make a choice.
@Young Smitty - Original, definitely. The show was okay, but the original was better.
*_We all have, a choice..._*
_- Captain Rex_
They were equally as good in their own ways.
@@KEVMAN7987 Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
The original clone wars dark horse comics (republic comics) were the best depiction of an actual gritty war, I love those comics
Alpha leading the 501st would make more sence with anakin becoming Vader
Commander Baracara: throw our men at the front lines
Alpha: throw our men and flip of any Jedi that say we shouldn't.
It’s hard to take the bio-chip information, and retcon it into the old Clone Wars stuff. Originally, the Clones simply followed orders and the chain of command. Order 66 was one of many general orders created for the Grand Army Of The Republic. One of many orders that the Clones were trained since birth to obey. Some refused to obey because they had grown as individuals, and learned to not to blindly follow orders. Some were out of contact when the order went down. Some ever questioned if the order was real or enemy tampering. These all made for interesting stories. The bio-chip is just an “evil mode” switch. Now, there has to be some convoluted reason why the chip didn’t work, or was removed. The most interesting thing about the chip is if it rewrote the Clones’ memories and altered their brain chemistry. There’s a comic where a Clone actually says he couldn’t remember the battles he fought along side the Jedi, and he just saw them as the enemy. He later realized what he did and regretted it.
Ironic, the clones in Legend Where Mandalorians that Where loyal to the Sith lord Darth Sidious AKA Palpatine & Both destroyed the Jedi order, it really brings up the thousand of years history of Mandalorian & Sith’s working together to overcome the Republic & Jedi Order & the Clones & Palpatine manage to do so
It's almost like it was deliberately done to have a Mandalorian clone army Because of all the past wars and hatred the Republic had towards Mandalorians....1.the acceptance of slave soldiers 2. The Jedi disliking and being distrusting of clones 3. Not caring about the soldiers lives 4. And making Mandalorians the scape-goat as the masterminds for destroying the Jedi,
"the jedi and clones fought each other because of the tension between the two groups. Just Race and Religion, causing violence as always, with no outside influence or possible conspiracy!" - Palpatine
I would have liked to see Alpha and Rex in the Clone Wars and see how they both reacted to one another. It would have been cool to see in my opinion.
They should do some clone movies and some delta squad
future clone commando nice channel art
@@ToaNaterFilms ok......cool i guess
I am an adult and always saw snippets of SWTCW and always thought, thats a series for children. But later i started watching and was really suprised how violent and also cruel this series is. But yes... you could easily make this series more dark
godwrote01 maul gutting Satele was pretty brutal. Like I knew he took your legs but wouldn't have been more cruel but not Satan cruel to cut her legs off right in front of him and forced him to watch her suffer in unbearable agony as her mind tries to rationalize what's happened to 1/4 of her body ? TBH, I just realized how fucking dark this would have been instead. Okay, the gutting was far more merciful and got results. Damn, I should start going back and making Dark deaths or scenarios 🤔
At the end of the day.......it’s still a kid’s show.
@@blackshogun272 that was satine, satele would gut maul like a fish
@@darthvader566 sorry. Got their names mixed up. Ones a god tier Jedi Grandmaster and the other is some blonde that could barely shoot a blaster well.
Found Freddy Prinze jr
If Alpha did enter Imperial Service, the Rebels would be gone in no time.
Armoured Productions Yup although he hated stormtrooper due to their competency and hated the imperial officer been too confident
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson Well too bad Alpha 17 disappeared after the assault on Boz Pity.
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson trawn is fine in rebels
I would love a darker setting in a clone wars style show. Maybe follow the story of the republic commando novels and explore more how the clones got raised and what morally questionable things happend on spec-ops mission.
While I like Alpha I’m glad they diversified the clone personalities. I like clones like Rex, Cody, Fives, Waxer and Boil just as much as I enjoy the rude, cynicism and blunt nature of Alpha.
Also, calling him “morally questionable” is an understatement. Guy was a callous, brutal, smart, sociopathic killer, but we enjoy him all the same.
Blue Night I really agree.
*A person enslaved to fight and die in war at birth, has a mindset and personality based on and caused by only knowing death, killing and war.*
-Thinks about killing people because he's forced to and because he wants to live.
*Spoiled, privileged, ungrateful kid who watches and is a fan of seeing slave-soldiers fight and die, but doesn't care or think about the millions of slaves-soldiers who die unless they are a main character to the show (because that's not clear insanity and sociopathic thinking)*
-GASP "I'm looking down on and judging the morality of a fictional character, that has the same life and circumstances as Millions of other human beings experience in the world existing in reality right now! "
Nothing morally questionable about being aware of slavery and evil, ignoring it, and just only calling the victim bad, and also just hurling....lots of evil insults and accusations, again Only towards the victim....which is kinda disturbing and seems unnecessary....oh, and also accusing the victim of Some kind of "mental illness" without having any knowledge of medicine, psychology, or the person being accused's actual symptoms...all done without any care about honesty, the truth, the clear malice your actions were done with, or whether or not your actions are harmful or wrong....
Sav3TheWorld wtf is wrong with you.
Blue Night He’s the type of guy you never want to bump into in real life haha.
Clone Bone Understatement. He seems like the guy with a stick perpetually jammed up his ass.
Hope they put alpha 17 in Battlefront 2 he would be badass
Don't get your hopes on but we can get him as a skin
Is alpha-17 legends or Canon
@@danielturner1406 Legends
@@dp-2835 fuck like whyyy😭😭?!?!
I hate fortnight Give me a reason why i shouldn’t The game is shit. Hope that EA ditches Star Wars as should Disney. SW universe must be developed by a company with some ideas.
I have the comic book figure 2 pack and it came with a Alpha 17 toy it was the coolest the best clone design.
2:30 " ill never walk again but my hands work fine patch me up before i bleed to death then give me a gun" spoken like a badass indeed
It would have been cool to see Alpha and Rex be cooperative leaders and you could visibly see them go down different paths as they meet darker struggles.
That clone roasted the hell out of that Jedi in the thumbnail
Edit just found out about Alpha but absolutely love him already
Gotta love that smooth transition from video to advertising. 11:20
I seriously am in awe at how detailed these videos are 🤘🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻💎
“The earth was unearthly”
-Heart of Darkness
I love the legends clone wars and the Canon clone wars. Honestly I feel glad to have multiple great depictions of the same conflict.
That zoning in effect good early battlefront sound
0:36
Brought back so many memories of the first battlefront
I would LOVED to see what Alpha 17 would've done to General Pong Krell !
Honestly I’m fine with the way it turned out, right loved the plenty of dark moments it had. Great video though
I wish they’d kept more Of the comic stuff. Like Durge....damn durge would’ve been awesome in TCW
Durge and Alpha has some of the best scenes in the comics. Two of my favorite characters for sure.
@Sup Bro "Durge would've been hard to animate in CGI" Monster's Inc and The Incredibles say hi to Filoni
@@dtxspeaks268 I mean TCW was on a MUCH lower budget than those movies
Rex is my boy! I love the clone war era and I’ve always both loved and felt so bad for the clones troops honestly they deserved better
You know I honestly wouldn’t have mind seeing a darker version of the clone wars to show how cruel war really is.
I love the original Clone Wars multi media project (mostly the Dark Horse comics and the animated micro series) for its grittiness and the scale of the battles. There is one image from a Dark Horse story (I think it was Forever Young or a similar sounding name) that always stuck with me. A full page of a Clone Army deploying and rushing into battle. LAATs dropping off troops, AT-TEs and artillery firing and Troopers firing in line formation.
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Battle of jabim was the first star wars thing I ever saw a I loved alpha 17 he's on of my favorites
I feel like there should be an entire video/series titled “the imperial path”, focusing on the darker side of the heroes’ tactics.
It would be more dark because the Senate would be more dark.
I don't know if I agree. Afaik we don't know anything of what happens to Alpha after Boz Pity, and given that everything we know about him is before the inhibitor chip arc. This means that Alpha stands out not on a moral spectrum but one of law vs. chaos, and which clone was more willing to ignore orders than Alpha?
The question for Alpha wouldn't have been Empire or Republic as much as it would have been Anakin or Obi-Wan, and I really think that his path would have been more complicated than you're suggesting.
Well said! I think it is very hard to speculate on what his decisions would be, he is very reclusive and we don't have material from his PoV directly
If they made Alpha the Clone Wars character rather than Rex, I actually think they could have brought him in as an actually competent Imperial enemy on Rebels, perhaps as an Inquisitor/Purge Trooper Commander, helping the Inquisitors Hunt the Jedi
Heck even having both would have been interesting, 2 very similar but also different clones who have a bitter rivalry in the clone wars and then seeing them face off in rebels to see who is truly superior
Would pay to see alpha blast krell, order 66 327th style.
In cannon clone commandos had inhibitor chips as Rex said in Star Wars rebels that wolf Gregor and himself had removed theirs and how could Gregor remove his if he didn’t have one.
Chips as a whole are pretty dumb
Yeah
Rex is one of my favorites, hard to imagine Clone Wars without him
The star wars rebulic comics were my first star wars comics god damn do I love every min of them.
I just came across your channel and your content is AMAZING. Keep up the good work.
Alpha-17 in many ways reminds me of Frank Castle from Punisher MAX. Still I liked Rex and seeing both of them would have been interesting and could have been worked into the story as Rex could easily have been Alpha's replacement as as Alpha was reassigned as a instructor for the ARC-training programs. It could have been fun hearing Rex and other clones complaining about Alpha as a drill-instructor from hell :-)
I remember reading the aloha comics as kid but could never remember the names this video helped me out so thanks
Now I´m curious if they wanted at first to produce TCW as a mere extent of the darker tone of the Clone Wars in Legends, specially in Republic books.
I not saying that TCW doesn´t has it´s own brutal moments, but in the general spectrum, it was more "cheerful" compared to what the Clone Wars was before 2008. Clones being almost to the letter like Prime Minister Lama Su told Obi-Wan in Attack Of The Clones; creative, yet very obedient, but without room to really express themselves.
I was lucky to get the entire Clone Wars comic set, and it is great.
When faced with annihilation morality becomes little more than semantics.
Is this not why satan is immoral? he knows he is doomed
Not to the best of us. But I guess that's why they're so rare.
I'm always hyped for your new videos.
@11:36 that's a lot of money, and good video.
Umbara had nothing on Jabim.
Honestly, I would have gone the way of Alpha 17.
and the jedi accepted a slave army because it was easy. as Skirata puts it, they didn't ask questions, they just picked up the blaster they found on the floor. Expedience ambushes you in the end.
I would have loved to have both Rex and Alpha and their interactions with Fives and Krell, as well as their opposing viewpoints as the War went on, coming to a head when Order 66 went down
Studies have show that 2 in 3 people will torture and kill people just because someone in authority tells them to, when adding surviving the horrors of war it's understandable why Rex's choice is so rare in both the series and reality.
Interesting. Do you have the sources for this? I'd be interested in having a read.
The answer is that no legend trooper had inhibitor chips as while tcw is technically canon cause lucas threw a fit it doesn't fit at all in any timeline and is mostly contradicted or ignored.
What are you talking about? It fits perfectly into Legends.
As historical fiction.
Gotta disagree with you a bit here. Alpha was created to serve the Republic, to kill the sith, and to Win the war against the separatists. Ahsoka would have been a competent resource to him, one of few he was allowed when surrounded by jedi. He would not have been quick to discard that resource for no reason, if he lacked a chip. Having killed Krell before even learning of his true plans, Alpha would not see the leadership of the republic as sacrosanct, especially not a robe wearing sith that so reminded him of Krell and Dukoo. He would see the malfunction of the inhibitor chips as a vital weakness in his army, in his mission. He would not have been able to deduce a tactical benefit to killing all the jedi at the end of the war for the Republic, but he could plainly see the instability and danger of having inhibitor chips which could cause troops to turn on their commanders mid battle, thats just bad tactics most of the time.
Alpha would likely see Sidious as just an extension of the Separatists, a threat to the Republics effort to win the war. He is a critically thinking clone, not prone to the imperial doctrine of following orders without question, which IS THE IMPERIAL WAY. Questioning orders, doing what you think is smart and right in place of idiocy or inefficiency is much closer to a Rebel mindset than you might think. He would see the take over of the Empire, the disbanding and ceasing of the clones, and the murder of the Jedi and ousting of all their supporters and friends within the military as an undo strain on the country he was created to defend, and against the race of clones he was a part of.
The empire would give Alpha absolutely no reason to remain loyal if he wasn't completely clueless up to order 66, and he would even then be at least heavily vocal about all the dumb decisions the Empire was making, like downgrading their fighter core, doing away with most of the clones, not seizing the droid armies, and the countless and constant murder of officers for little to no reason by Vader and Palps people. That would put him on their shit list, and he would either evac himself to safety, potentially even join the Rebellion to Restore the Republic, or he would be confronted and killed by Darth Vader.
He would certainly fall out with the Empire, just in a very very different way and for very different motivations. You said it yourself Geets, Rex and Alpha are very similar and neither of them are storm troopers. Neither of them take bad orders quietly, and neither of them would exchange the republic, and their clone brothers, for the Empires endless suppression wars and own special brand idiocy and instability.
Isn't Ashoka technically a citizen who joined the war on her own Volition after she left the order? And as Such she isn't part of the Jedi council
So Alpha is basically Saw Gerrera as a Clone trooper?
I wish we would get a more realistic take on Star Wars. I love Star Wars and all the weird stuff in the EU and one of my favorite parts is the New Jedi Order books. The Yuuzhan Vong were a much more realistic enemy than most. They killed off some major characters, though they should have killed more, and they gave the jedi a real challenge. The Rebels and Clone Wars tv shows dumb down their enemies a lot, Rebels more than Clone Wars, and they make the story really childish. I hate that those parts of the canon that could have really amazing, complex, and possibly even mature stories are made into mostly jokes and easy to digest material for children. I hope one day we can have some more morally complex characters and stories in Star Wars. I wish it was treated as more than a story for kids
Order 66 was made more soft by clone wars imo. Those chips inside the clones forcing them to follow order 66 is much weaker than without them
I use to have an action figure of Alpha 17 or at least someone who looked a lot like him. It was around the time just before Episode III came out
You started this saying Alpha was Jango and that's pretty much "enough said" he would have killed Jedi and afterwards I think he'd Bounty Hunt
Am I the only one who absolutely hates the bio implant part from the new clone wars? It makes the whole order 66 scene a lot less dramatic and real. The scene is not about showing how blind loyalty and patriotism combined with the harsh reality of war makes people do terrible things and showing just how much the Jedi never understood the clones anymore, now it is a bunch of noble good guys killing a bunch of noble good guys, but it's not their fault, it was all due to the evil bio-chips implanted by the evil Sith lord, so kids can still watch this scene without asking themselves difficult questions. It's just bad.
As much as i love Rex as a character Alpha is canon and he is the most badass clone to ever exist in the galaxy fuck what disney says
I actually had a comic with Alpha in it.
It came with an action figure of that very same commander. Except I don't remember that ARC trooper being called Alpha at all. Or maybe I just skipped over it because I was only 5 years old at the time and can't remember.
A quicker victory to war is a wise choice
Alpha 17 as villain in rebels, could only work as a Rex centered episode(s).
I think dogma in the umbara arc was a representation of Alpha 17. Which goes to show how rex isn’t much like a normal clone. Rex took after anakin’s compassion, loyalty to his men, and doing the right thing.
They should've had Alpha 17 replace Appo due to his personality and discontent for Jedi. Then in season 7 the 501st could have a quasi civil war when they are divided.
I think I know who Alpha 17 reminds me of! HK-47 Revan's Crazy Physcopathic Assassin Droid!
Good soldiers follow orders. Good ARC Troopers make their own.
Dang that’s deep bro but I do agree
"Star wars Republic comics, which are hard to find.."
They're all on Comixology
5:10 Yet, as of last week, by all appearances one of those "few noticeable differences" would have completely rewritten Galactic history.
Found a comic in my public library 😃
I didnt think I'd learn about the horrors of galactic war today
Thebwas no reason other than making the clones more kid friendly when they introduced the brain chip. Because the Movie Clones knew what was going to happen.
They knew it very well.
They didn't know. It would make no sense, as the Jedi would have figured it out long in advance. The only place where they knew is the old BF2 video game, which slapped together a single player campaign and added some dialogue, but that contradicts everything else from the books and comics. The chips make sense, because if they weren't there, none of the clones would just betray their generals for some old guy they've never met. The whole army would revolt.
I like both of them. In fact if I was to have a dream team of clones. My 4 would be
Captain Rex
Alpha 17
Fordo
Boss .
Though it would be interesting trying to keep the Arks troopers to play nice with the cammando.
I would love to see Alpha interacting with Pong Krell
Krell: Alright we shall March right into the capital
Fives: You crazy?
*Krell puts saber to fives throat*
Alpha: Sir you are under arrest for sabotage
Krell: *well shit*
Wonder what apha would thought of commander fox
I actually have a dark horse graphic novel with part one on Naboo and Obi-Wan's first meeting with Ventress.
The starwars republic comics might just be the best comic line in the franchise (if not, top 3)
I would love to have seen him confront he who shall not be named from the Umbara arc
Would the 501st have been more depressed and less effective due to Alpha?
Good point
Depressed? Probably. Less effective? Probably not. Alpha was effective for all his brutality.
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Maybe more depressed, maybe, but less efficient? No, Probably similar.
Bruh Alpha trained Rex, myself, and every other clone commanders.
alpha: sorry krell we are removing you from command for incomitance
krell: you dare question me clone!?
alpha: it's alpha and you are under arrest hand over your saber
RaW Galactic counquest is dark as fuq, especially if sepies are prepared...
if possible can u find any droids that stood out. like a cis droid herro that was like a b-1 or super battle droid or commando droid
Who else relly wants to see this come true