I would gladly donate my entire currency tab to act 1 friends in a heart beat, if it meant GGG would act on this emediatly. And hopefully a very elegant solution. Please and thank you
Unless you have insane gear and enough divs to buy your foot in the door this strategy wasn't helping you anyways. This strategy was clearly only a thing for the rich getting richer since you already had to have gear worth 100's divs to start especially solo.
They could also allow only a single allflame of the same type to be used to be used per map. Corpse crafting seems to have tanked the value of essences too. I spent the weekend casually farming essences and ended up with an essence tab that was less valuable on Sunday than it was on Friday, and still had to mark it down to 85% to sell it.
@@Shallaan It literally had the same problem as this league where half the player base was playing tornado shot because of MF. It had even a higher base of entry since you needed full mf gear very well rolled and good gear to get around the juiced map.
T17s should be unrolled as a baseline, just regular maps. They drop one splinter on normal difficulty, increased difficulty with modifiers makes multiple fragments drop.
@Big Ducks i double checked after this strat blew up in league.... At launch I had opened up like 19k scarabs in Standard. 12 of them were the Curation -- so yeah, they're pretty damn rare. Almost 1 every 2,000
@@TristianTee it effects everyone because it effects the economy and everyone is effected by that... unless like the above commenter stated you're playing ssf
@@david0502911 I'm doing trade but like I'm still making currency and buying stuff for my build. It's not like it's ruined just different. No need to judge what you do by how crazy others are doing.
@@TristianTee This does affect the economy one person making 1+ mirror per map can massively inflate the economy and the more that people do it the worse it gets. It's like giving everyone in America 10 million overnight you make everything cost way more.
Personal opinion: new scarabs are hot garbage. If you don't use them in the ideal way, you just waste your time and currency. The gap between 'normal' content farmen (ie blueprints, or logbooks) and super juicing scarabs is so absurdly large, that everything in trade just makes no sense. This league got some really good QOL, but I just lost every motivation to play it. That is after I farmed >600div. So I'm not poor and can afford nearly every build, but you just have to stay in the loop, or you fall way behind the economy. If this stays the same next league, I will for the first time in years, not play POE.
This is the biggest thing no one is really noticing. If you aren't targeting farming you get nothing or you target farm and get more than anyone else is getting even super juicing maps. But heres the problem. They're going to nerf everything into the ground and then delete the graveyard and all allflames but a few. But the anchor for loot is set. They just added the kalandra league loot nerfs with no friction. So next league when scarabs drops are nerfed to 33% and you need to spend 10 minutes trading before touching a map or you lose money it's going to be worse.
Bro I dont really understand you... So you said you farmed 600 divs. Why the f are you complaining? You dont even need to farm anymore you got a full build. I would legit be bored in my hideout at this point. And the guys with mirrors idk why they are keep playing for 😂
Like I would rather farm my own thing slower and have fun, why do I have to look at the other guy, always? Its just such a stupid community idea thats been present since forever. Also logbooks are legit cheap and yield so much money, people dont care ab them nor Tujen. And you make bank off of it.
@@GE_Photon_Lord I'm playing video games for a long time. Be it WoW, or Arpgs. I had multiple gold caped chars in WoW. Knowing how the economy works, is not as hard as many people think. That being said, I'm not complaining, because I cannot get currency for my gear. I'm complaining, because I see how this farming model will kill POE in the long run, as it widens the gap between player like myself and the 98% of the playerbase, that don't network to stay ahead of the curve. With the graveyard gone next league, SSF is way worse for player w/o a great understanding for target farming specific items and crafting. The 3.24 scarab system is poison for the vast majority of POE player and thus the game.
Got my headhunter for 24 divine! I'm loving the economy. I'm usually poor as hell, but this league I have been the richest I have ever been! If you are struggling to afford gear, craft with Necropolis. No one is talking about how good it is.
and its nerfed already. The problem is now the people that abused this strategy are even richer because no one can generate even close to this amount of currency anymore.
I did some thinking about how ggg can fix the issues with the current meta without angering people by nerfing the scarabs and the allflames. I would restrict t17 maps from being modified by anything other than chaos. This would include scarabs. This would deter farmers from being able to use t17 maps for their bis map of choice since they wouldn't be able to juice it. This would drop the price of t17 maps reducing barrier to entry to just needing a really strong build without the risk of loosing profit per map.
I dont find these things to be bad at all. the economy isnt a real economy. im not paying rent or things the loot enables me to play the game and have fun. vs barely getting good loot then working much harder to have the same fun, because lets be honest people are still playing, and the items are out there for people to trade, and craft. the only difference is things are much cheaper and accessible. Now I wouldnt want this in every league, but right now the game feels good to play.
Yeah ngl, the game is so fun to play rn. And it doesnt matter what content you do, profit/h is such a stupid concept. I play expedition and no one cares ab it rn, that means I get free stuff and make bank. No one cares if its a slower grind than farming div cards, as long as you have fun (plus obviously you apply what you learn to the next league).
The next problem with the Tier 17 maps is that you now have to do them to get the 5-way. As a casual player, I was only able to get it because Einar and Huck are currently able to help me. I could never have done it without them.
I'm not suprised about current state of economy after this kind of changes they did. Kinda expected, 4 months is not enough to do and test all of this. Funny thing, I'm ok with this chaos around it. I'm just doing my thing, playing game, enjoying league. Probably gonna make one more build, play for 1-2 weeks than drop and will wait for next league. GGG will have their time to fix and balance things. I can see a lot of hate, but I think it's good to talk about it and there is no need to overcomplicate things :)
Exactly also lot of farming strats are not viable now bcs of league mech like expedition is easier to farm with allflames than exepdition itself etc...
@@marioharrer9999You can literally farm expedition and also allflame with expedition. I dont understand your point here. It's literally a better mechanic now.
@@GE_Photon_Lord yes but since u can use allflames to farm stuff for expedition u don't have to do expedition itself which is usually way more dangerous with all those extra mods piling up so ppl can run smth, i dunno breaches and have allflames for expedition loot. If u go to standard only way u can get stuff for expedition is expedition itself.. and if u don't understand tht well.. i am sorry
@@marioharrer9999 I get what ur saying, but someone that actually farms expedition for profit ( like I do) would play a dedicated expe build and farm both logbooks and expe in maps + the allflames, both at once basically.
@@marioharrer9999 If u only farm allflames for expe and focus on a complete diferent strategy you are not getting much out of allflames (like you dont snowball those artifacts). Meanwhile when you actually dedicate your time for this mechanic, then you can truly stack tons of artifacts and get rerolls going. Its the same thing as me farming expe and randomly doing allflames for breach, like thats just dumb honestly. So in short: Allflames dont give you as much as the original fully spec-ed mechanic would give you and the original mechanics are getting much better when paired with allflames. And you said the original mechanics are trash now, like what.
This is why a PTR or pre-season launch is a must! This has been GGG's practice since forever and streamers/content creators have enabled this kind of practice.
i think one option to nerf the scarab would be to make it give less divination cards per favored map instead of more, so it is a bit of a tradeoff with the favored maps you pick, more options for better cards or more cards.
Weird to say the builds are a barrier to do these maps. You can get an HH and a mirror tier bow combined for 25 div. You can do these maps at like 75 div invest in build. I know because I am capable of doing them, but I can't afford the div card more than once to do it. The barrier is not the build, it's the cost of the Allflames and div card. It's around 50-60div per map. It costs as much as your build to do a map.
The worst part is that the super OP farming strat farms raw currency, divination cards, uniques and scarabs. Which drives down the prices of all those things, which cuts into so many other low to mid investment strategies. Just sold my HH for a 52 divine loss :)
this scarab is also my biggest gripe about this league. they promised that if you wanna farm high value cards you'll have alternatives to farming crimson temple all league, and this is the alternative they gave us. i think this curation scarab would be a lot better if it's an atlas passive keystone, which can be something like: "Divination card drops in Area are replaced by those of your Favoured Maps. 6% increased divination cards found in your maps per different favored map. 40% less divination cards found in your maps" this way, at 12 different favored maps, you'll get 72% increased and 40% less which ends up being 1.72 x 0.6 = 1.032x the card you'd normally get. AND the less multiplier would also reduce the effect of regular divination scarab (150% increased card found) so that there is still a point to farm crimson temple all the time with a regular div scarab, instead of taking this keystone. this keystone can also just replace "Meticulous Appraiser" or something, but that's kinda up to debate
They should simply remove the % to find more cards per favored map ; and only make the scarab being able to drop cards from other favorite maps. And then make the scarab more common.
Pretty much a league meant for a twelve hour a day player. It's a bit frustrating going to work in the morning and coming home to play and in that time the strategy shifted five times and one patch was deployed. And the best strategies heavily rely on buying stuff like scarabs and corpses. Wasn't the sextant change made to simplify mapping? Now it takes even longer to setup and calculate. Last league I had worthwhile things to sell: lots of essences, replicas to sell, a fulcrum from a void cache. This league nothing in my inventory aside from the equipment is worth more than 10c. Compared to Sanctum, ToTa and Affliction there's nothing interesting to do and explore as league content only shifting mobs and clicking corpses that's the whole league mechanic.
The main issue is the div cards that are farmed in the strat give other league mechanic "exclusive" items. Adorned fragments = deep delve no longer that profitable, nimis = farming eater not that profitable. Affliction was better than this, bcuz you only could farm basic currency and uniques. And mfers flooded the market with valdo's boxes so that really strong builds(my personal target every league is to make one) have a profitable thing to farm. Now if you have a strong build w/o a HH you will never make more than an mfer. My point is: juicing with allflames is fine: it will only last for a league. Div card scarab is not fine. Even without allflames and t17s Emperyan's party was able to farm more currency than in affliction league
This all goes back to what is, in my opinion, the most toxic aspect of POE- the urgency to take two weeks off your job at league start to gain an advantage for currency and content. There’s a lot of us still working on our first or second characters now. We’ve had some fun with the league. But now if we want to try and get a build to its full potential, sorry, the cost of entry into a strategy that enables you to afford the items you need is out of reach.
And now you understand why everyone was saying POE would change when tencent bought them. Chinese companies and games see nothing wrong with making a game into your job. And thats exactly whats happened.
I feel like this league was an experiment for the future of endgame in poe. We now know many op strats that can be abused so GGG can implement a balance fix later. It seems fine to have a league broken imo.
Honestly I feel like they need to change how scarabs work on the high end and make it a more mid to end game boost for juicing and make something new so they can re-balance power and drop rate. I feel like even higher end scarabs should be way more common and some of the craziest boosts should not be on scarabs that way they can be way more common. T17s are an issue and still are I think for most players even now. But I feel like gear did not get much better. But from what I understand gear iLevel essentially caps at 85 (is that still the case?) so having an iLevel 95 item doesn't matter and I don't believe there are any powerful new bases that high up either right? So we are kind of in this weird area where you need superior gear that is not exactly easy to get but without a particular step stone gear to get to that point, then you add in the fact that most good farming and gear is from these harder maps and pretty much need to be juiced and those boosting items are rare(or rarer then they should be) and it just creates this rich get richer effect. Which I mean I am fine with that. I don't want PoE to end up like D4 (which is becoming more like D3 every day) where I get to 100 in 5 hours and fall asleep playing because they handed me a full set gear which makes me unkillable... but I usually get 4 characters or so to 95-98 before I get bored in a league and usually do okay currency wise even in SSF. But there are a number of bosses I have not been able to beat, or have the currency or access to items some players do. And I get it, life aint fair, but sometimes it is just discouraging.
I would appreciate ggg coming in for another massive patch to the league just to get things going better. A league is a league for testing the brand new content. If stuff is clearly over tuned or under tuned with a clear look please don't be hesitant to cut it bad by a bit. I would go as far as suggesting to do a hot fix for the t17 maps and disable the divination scarab. The scarab isnclearly breaking metas and needs to be cut before too much more damage is done.
I did find some Divination Scarabs of Curation, I think it were three in total. The first was in week 1 and sold for a few Divines, the other two were in the last couple of days and I sold both like 24 hours ago for 20 Divine each and now I am pretty sad.
Most people barely reach red maps. Let alone farm pinnacle bosses, of that percentage even fewer successfully farm the uber version. I don't think the t17 maps are an issue considering a vast majority of the player base just sell their pinnacle boss fights anyways. There's no shot that people who don't know how to run s build to the point of farming uber bosses in past leagues are comparing about the difficulty of t17 maps, it's meant to be a stepping stone in the sense that if you're consistently able to beat enough to get full uber fights then you should be fine in the fight itself. T17 should not be easy enough for people to farm an uber fight and sell it for even profit without being able to complete it. Casuals will always be mad at the wealth gap but either don't have the time to save enough currency or the brain capacity toestablish a build good enough to bridge the gap. It's that simple, as a casual player i know how to make hundreds of divines per league and craft pretty damn gear but i also realize 90% of players can't and just want to complain about how the rich get richer
Mam I have a question but maybe I'm stupid or crazy but let's assume something, let's say this scarab of curation doesn't exist, with so low drop change doesn't exist anyway, so my question, I was farming some time now, not exactly scarabs but I have the nodes in the atlas, is this even worth it? I think I sold two 200 chaos scarabs and horded the rest and my whole tab is worth like 5 divines. I think I will take unwavering vision and just don't take scarabs, they are not worth it in my opinion.
I found one of the div scarabs early on day one, sold it for 1 div to kick start my build. Seeing the price of it skyrocket physically hurts. On the other hand, I saved up tons of lvl 83-84 Anarchy all flames so I made bank off of that.
Listening to the streamers say how bad this all is(and last league) is how i feel every normal league priced out of things and builds, but last league played my longest ever and most builds because of these broken things. Now dont get me wrong this strat is way out of what i can afford but things that make cool builds are easier and cheaper to get and was last league. Last league my friend thats bad at the game was having a blast doing blight and getting 7d for his tainted oils and was able to try armor stacker. So im sure things here will do the same.
I think if GGG tries to ''fix'' this now, it'll impact everyone who's already missing out even more. It'll reinflate the expensive stuff and the fringe content that could still steadily generate currency will take a hit cause, while this method is printing raw divs, uniques and scarabs, there're still things that aren't being printed that are still profitable. Honestly, GGG shouldn't move on this one. I'm not even doing this method, I'm not advocating it. I just know there'll be worse ripple effects if they try to ''fix'' it hastily with a bandaid. Think we gotta just accept that the economy for this league is just a bit weird and busted (remember heist?) and if you're having fun, that's cool - if not,honestly it does suck and I do empathize with it. But I'd say, you don't need to accept the fomo. I missed out on the div frogs. And honestly, I'm probably gonna miss out on this cause while my build is strong, it's an all rounder and not catered to that level of juicing. I'll still steadily be able to afford what I want and farm what I want. But I do get, how for some, it's overly upsetting seeing the market get blown wide open this way. I'm just not confident that they can fix it and not potentially break the league in an even worse way.
I realise now that this specific strat need a huge amount of chaos to reroll t17s, casual players, just do blight/delve jewelries farming for chaos recipes, you probably can pull 5 div an hour. 3 hours a day and you get your mageblood in 1.5 weeks :>
And GGG hasn’t say anything about it the good thing is that I was able to get my headhunter and my mageblood which is the only two things I always want to have in the game after that I’m done every league.
Breaking more than the economy. They're causing server lag with these maps they're running, making other players experience 3000 latency and the game to be unplayable. I'm actually done with the league until it gets sorted. I can't even fuckin' delve rn because my character just cyclones against a wall until it dies to darkness.
I would say main reason dying sun went up so much is because it's a shit boss with multiple phases. Just takes a long time to clear just once and the proceed with your day. Most people would rather not go through that. Now if they reworked shaper fight to be considerably shorter with those stupid in between transitions to be deleted the. I think people might wana do it. But rate for flask still Needs to be raised a bit.
Found one of those when it was worth 7div and another one a few das ago and sold it for 29div. I pretty much finished my build with it, so no regrets lol.
i'll never fathom how people come up with these strategies, yet even how to beat it if they play the game, good for them. sadly i'll never be playing at that type of insane level
I’ve been playing hours a day, only have 3 watch stones and am farming delve for currency and of course am completely ignoring the league mechanic. Probably the most fun league since I started playing back in harvest. Economy seems insane but I’m trying an ssf-ish approach only trading when I need to and it’s been great.
Last league was spitting out just as much currency, and the entry level was much much lower lol. I don't understand how this is a problem. Every league has a strategy that's high investment high reward, this is no different
after watching this video I checked my scarabs and I have 2 of the curation ones, didn't even realise how fucking expensive those are and I run dirt cheap builds that are mostly ssf oh well...
Honestly worst part about all of this as an average to slow player. I get to see all this hype and awesome drops, and never get to act on any of it. I don't blame the players taking advantage of it, but just furthers the mindset exploit early and often. Or get left behind. I feel like I am just mapping hoping I get lucky, where these players are out here making their own luck. 😅
I found 1 curation scarab in SSF and migrated to trade league after about a week and sold it for 10 divine. Seeing this stuff is why I prefer to start in SSF...The fomo feeling is not fun when you know you cant compete with these people
U can't never compete if both ur playtime and knowledge about the game is way lower.. same with crafting.. thts why its always funny when ppl cry about ppl like Empy and his grp when they play 12-15h a day super efficiently.
@@M.M.1996 what are u talking about? u mean quantifier for each player present in grp? are u sayin tht u should get same amount of loot as if u played alone? xddd sure man go play singleplayer game or ssf, what are u even talkin about?
I think it is fine to have a clear winner strategy. However, this league the low tier strategies are made worse than past leagues. Some are just a case of content is just difficult by default with very little to no bonus from league mechanic. It's not just this strategy being way too far ahead of the other. The others are made less enjoyable as well.
This is a good take. Im not going to sit here and act like I have real statistics about how much the average PoE player logs in every day and farms, but if a regular player makes 200-300 divines in an entire league, and you have players making 10x that in one map, you might need to disable those scarabs
I honestly think this is neither a scarab or a allflame problem, I think GGG just missed this interaction. The scarabs are probably fine in standard where there is no necropolis. Might be wrong though
@@realmothbuterfli Yes the allflames adding rogue exiles are what juices it to the gills. It's still really strong without it but not even close to what it is now
well he needed to make solo build, grp gear setup is different than solo but map strat yeah... even tho i don't think they used tht many anarchy allflames maybe later on or by the end of the week deffo not first few days.
I guess the real game is, grinding away and flexing your HUGE div/hour. To gear your char to kill pinacle bosses that you can kill in a few days in scrubcore with 6 portals. Mmmk.
@@NerdB2 If you wanna specifically target farm that one scarab, you can block every possible league mechanic on the atlas (blocking their respectful scarab drops as well), while fully speccing into scarab drop chance (dont spec any of the increased drop chance for specific scarabs as there are non for div card scarabs). And then proceed with the usual stuff like killing as many monsters, with as much quant on the map, and on the build, as you can fit.
I simply do not understand the complaints with players getting items. It seems that the people who complain most are people sad that someone other then them has access to items. It is like some kind of weird itemization gatekeeping.
Your point about not being sure how to make money about this or if you don't have the money already you just won't isn't true.... I'm level 91 I have not completed my atlas on my Nova arc mage.... I've made over 400 divines selling allflames and scarabs.. my character is not capable of running the strategy due to its power level being way too low but I do have a headhunter and enough currency to enjoy nearly any build I want.... I get it it is tanking prices of items like headhunter or mage blood or other things... But it's also making the barrier to entrance for these items so low that very casual player like myself who only puts in a few hours here and there has been able to really enjoy League. I'm sure it's not good but it's a throwaway league at this point and I'm having fun.
hc trade felt never this dead.. usually the global 820 is full with ppl chatting first few weeks into the league now it feels lik 2month into the league when most ppl already quit.
I have started all over in SSF for the first time because of the economy I’m just done it was that or quit the league tbh for me personally. All the fun has drained in trade in record amounts of time.
I love when this happens, because other farming metods become forgotten and you get so much profit from said mechanic while investing nothing lol. And also whats the point of nerfing this? Rich people get rich, nothing new and 99% of the playerbase gets literally free lot, its a win win. Not to mention dirt cheap HH, thats a win too. So I dont get it.
I'm probably gonna have to buy a T17 carry, I reckon. I can do regular maven in under a minute but I can't even dent T17 whites, for some reason, at least not before they kill me. I'm very confident I could do ubers, but I can't manage to get there.
Technically you are right. The main issue is the div cards that are farmed in the strat give other league mechanic "exclusive" items. Adorned fragments = deep delve no longer that profitable, nimis = farming eater not that profitable. Affliction was better than this, bcuz you only could farm basic currency and uniques. And mfers flooded the market with valdo's boxes so that really strong builds(my personal target every league is to make one) have a profitable thing to farm. Now if you have a strong build w/o a HH you will never make more than an mfer
Patch this morning when I woke up, looks like they actually did most of what I said!
do we have left click back? seriously so dumb they would change our left click when that sets it apart from other arpgs...
Ah yes, more things we'll all be too late to get to before nerfs.
I would gladly donate my entire currency tab to act 1 friends in a heart beat, if it meant GGG would act on this emediatly. And hopefully a very elegant solution. Please and thank you
@@Tripleyou that is the most messed up way i have ever seen someone spell immediately...
Nerfed already.
The rogue exile allflame now creates one exile instead of multiple
Unless you have insane gear and enough divs to buy your foot in the door this strategy wasn't helping you anyways. This strategy was clearly only a thing for the rich getting richer since you already had to have gear worth 100's divs to start especially solo.
Exploit early and often @@supremebuffalo6322
If you got a build that can actually run a map like that, you don't need the mirrors anymore
They could also allow only a single allflame of the same type to be used to be used per map.
Corpse crafting seems to have tanked the value of essences too. I spent the weekend casually farming essences and ended up with an essence tab that was less valuable on Sunday than it was on Friday, and still had to mark it down to 85% to sell it.
Both Essence and Harvest are in the bin due to the league mechanic. Beast and Alva doing well though.
GGG needs to find the middle ground between no loot like Kalandra and leagues like this one.
It was called affliction
@Daruuu-MR_Some_Who you are insane if you think affliction was a good league for the game in the long run
@@minhocho5487 Lol? There was one broken strat with spires and that's it, league was fine.
@@Shallaan It literally had the same problem as this league where half the player base was playing tornado shot because of MF. It had even a higher base of entry since you needed full mf gear very well rolled and good gear to get around the juiced map.
@@DaruqPlays Affliction, balanced? BWAHAHAHA. We're on two leagues in a row of loot pinatas. It's... something.
T17s should be unrolled as a baseline, just regular maps. They drop one splinter on normal difficulty, increased difficulty with modifiers makes multiple fragments drop.
@Big Ducks i double checked after this strat blew up in league.... At launch I had opened up like 19k scarabs in Standard. 12 of them were the Curation -- so yeah, they're pretty damn rare. Almost 1 every 2,000
They got nerfed (drop rate) after launch so it's even rarer now
To be honest I was able to afford a headhunter for the first time ever so for me, a filthy casual, its been fun. :)
man i just sold the scarab yesterday for 15d
Same :D
Sold it 3 days ago for 7d :D
Me too lol. It hurts.
i use it just for fun to test it out in yellow maps when it was very cheap
Sold for 26d in case of any changes lol
For the allflame I recommend having it change the pack leader into a rogue exiles. While leaving the rest of the pack as a mix of other rarities.
Nostradamus? Everything here addressed in the patch noes
This is the first time I´m playing SSF and this video ensured me that I made the right decision this league.
These things only really affect people who are trying to optimise the fun out of the game. It's still fun lol.
@@TristianTee it effects everyone because it effects the economy and everyone is effected by that... unless like the above commenter stated you're playing ssf
@@david0502911 I'm doing trade but like I'm still making currency and buying stuff for my build. It's not like it's ruined just different. No need to judge what you do by how crazy others are doing.
@@TristianTee This does affect the economy one person making 1+ mirror per map can massively inflate the economy and the more that people do it the worse it gets. It's like giving everyone in America 10 million overnight you make everything cost way more.
Personal opinion: new scarabs are hot garbage. If you don't use them in the ideal way, you just waste your time and currency. The gap between 'normal' content farmen (ie blueprints, or logbooks) and super juicing scarabs is so absurdly large, that everything in trade just makes no sense. This league got some really good QOL, but I just lost every motivation to play it. That is after I farmed >600div. So I'm not poor and can afford nearly every build, but you just have to stay in the loop, or you fall way behind the economy.
If this stays the same next league, I will for the first time in years, not play POE.
This is the biggest thing no one is really noticing. If you aren't targeting farming you get nothing or you target farm and get more than anyone else is getting even super juicing maps.
But heres the problem. They're going to nerf everything into the ground and then delete the graveyard and all allflames but a few. But the anchor for loot is set. They just added the kalandra league loot nerfs with no friction. So next league when scarabs drops are nerfed to 33% and you need to spend 10 minutes trading before touching a map or you lose money it's going to be worse.
Bro I dont really understand you... So you said you farmed 600 divs. Why the f are you complaining? You dont even need to farm anymore you got a full build. I would legit be bored in my hideout at this point. And the guys with mirrors idk why they are keep playing for 😂
Like I would rather farm my own thing slower and have fun, why do I have to look at the other guy, always? Its just such a stupid community idea thats been present since forever.
Also logbooks are legit cheap and yield so much money, people dont care ab them nor Tujen. And you make bank off of it.
@@GE_Photon_Lord then you should play SSF/hardcore i myself considering on switching cause of this
@@GE_Photon_Lord I'm playing video games for a long time. Be it WoW, or Arpgs. I had multiple gold caped chars in WoW. Knowing how the economy works, is not as hard as many people think. That being said, I'm not complaining, because I cannot get currency for my gear. I'm complaining, because I see how this farming model will kill POE in the long run, as it widens the gap between player like myself and the 98% of the playerbase, that don't network to stay ahead of the curve. With the graveyard gone next league, SSF is way worse for player w/o a great understanding for target farming specific items and crafting.
The 3.24 scarab system is poison for the vast majority of POE player and thus the game.
6 days played from start of league (/played ) - none curation found, none completion, none divine mod in lamp. Thanks ggg :)
players said they like chase items so ggg gave them a chase scarab.
Got my headhunter for 24 divine!
I'm loving the economy. I'm usually poor as hell, but this league I have been the richest I have ever been!
If you are struggling to afford gear, craft with Necropolis. No one is talking about how good it is.
its so boring...
@user-zw1oy5pm3s not really.
Player agency has been great. Crafting has been wonderful. People are just caught up on playing stocks instead of an arpg
and its nerfed already.
The problem is now the people that abused this strategy are even richer because no one can generate even close to this amount of currency anymore.
I did some thinking about how ggg can fix the issues with the current meta without angering people by nerfing the scarabs and the allflames. I would restrict t17 maps from being modified by anything other than chaos. This would include scarabs. This would deter farmers from being able to use t17 maps for their bis map of choice since they wouldn't be able to juice it. This would drop the price of t17 maps reducing barrier to entry to just needing a really strong build without the risk of loosing profit per map.
whats that strategy thing in the left of the screen?
I dont find these things to be bad at all. the economy isnt a real economy. im not paying rent or things the loot enables me to play the game and have fun. vs barely getting good loot then working much harder to have the same fun, because lets be honest people are still playing, and the items are out there for people to trade, and craft. the only difference is things are much cheaper and accessible. Now I wouldnt want this in every league, but right now the game feels good to play.
Yeah ngl, the game is so fun to play rn. And it doesnt matter what content you do, profit/h is such a stupid concept. I play expedition and no one cares ab it rn, that means I get free stuff and make bank. No one cares if its a slower grind than farming div cards, as long as you have fun (plus obviously you apply what you learn to the next league).
The next problem with the Tier 17 maps is that you now have to do them to get the 5-way. As a casual player, I was only able to get it because Einar and Huck are currently able to help me. I could never have done it without them.
meanwhile i got a divine altar at the end of the map. got a divine mod on necro but dint drop a single divine 😅
You hit the nail on the head with uber boss fragments.
I'm not suprised about current state of economy after this kind of changes they did. Kinda expected, 4 months is not enough to do and test all of this. Funny thing, I'm ok with this chaos around it. I'm just doing my thing, playing game, enjoying league. Probably gonna make one more build, play for 1-2 weeks than drop and will wait for next league. GGG will have their time to fix and balance things. I can see a lot of hate, but I think it's good to talk about it and there is no need to overcomplicate things :)
Exactly also lot of farming strats are not viable now bcs of league mech like expedition is easier to farm with allflames than exepdition itself etc...
@@marioharrer9999You can literally farm expedition and also allflame with expedition. I dont understand your point here. It's literally a better mechanic now.
@@GE_Photon_Lord yes but since u can use allflames to farm stuff for expedition u don't have to do expedition itself which is usually way more dangerous with all those extra mods piling up so ppl can run smth, i dunno breaches and have allflames for expedition loot. If u go to standard only way u can get stuff for expedition is expedition itself.. and if u don't understand tht well.. i am sorry
@@marioharrer9999 I get what ur saying, but someone that actually farms expedition for profit ( like I do) would play a dedicated expe build and farm both logbooks and expe in maps + the allflames, both at once basically.
@@marioharrer9999 If u only farm allflames for expe and focus on a complete diferent strategy you are not getting much out of allflames (like you dont snowball those artifacts). Meanwhile when you actually dedicate your time for this mechanic, then you can truly stack tons of artifacts and get rerolls going.
Its the same thing as me farming expe and randomly doing allflames for breach, like thats just dumb honestly.
So in short: Allflames dont give you as much as the original fully spec-ed mechanic would give you and the original mechanics are getting much better when paired with allflames. And you said the original mechanics are trash now, like what.
This is why a PTR or pre-season launch is a must! This has been GGG's practice since forever and streamers/content creators have enabled this kind of practice.
Holy shit I have two of those scarabs in my stash and had no idea that they were worth anything. You just made my day.
i think one option to nerf the scarab would be to make it give less divination cards per favored map instead of more, so it is a bit of a tradeoff with the favored maps you pick, more options for better cards or more cards.
Weird to say the builds are a barrier to do these maps. You can get an HH and a mirror tier bow combined for 25 div. You can do these maps at like 75 div invest in build. I know because I am capable of doing them, but I can't afford the div card more than once to do it. The barrier is not the build, it's the cost of the Allflames and div card. It's around 50-60div per map. It costs as much as your build to do a map.
Also your cpu needs to be top tier
The worst part is that the super OP farming strat farms raw currency, divination cards, uniques and scarabs. Which drives down the prices of all those things, which cuts into so many other low to mid investment strategies.
Just sold my HH for a 52 divine loss :)
Most people by the end of last league had several 100 divine builds with plenty to spare.
this scarab is also my biggest gripe about this league. they promised that if you wanna farm high value cards you'll have alternatives to farming crimson temple all league, and this is the alternative they gave us. i think this curation scarab would be a lot better if it's an atlas passive keystone, which can be something like:
"Divination card drops in Area are replaced by those of your Favoured Maps. 6% increased divination cards found in your maps per different favored map. 40% less divination cards found in your maps"
this way, at 12 different favored maps, you'll get 72% increased and 40% less which ends up being 1.72 x 0.6 = 1.032x the card you'd normally get. AND the less multiplier would also reduce the effect of regular divination scarab (150% increased card found) so that there is still a point to farm crimson temple all the time with a regular div scarab, instead of taking this keystone. this keystone can also just replace "Meticulous Appraiser" or something, but that's kinda up to debate
They should simply remove the % to find more cards per favored map ; and only make the scarab being able to drop cards from other favorite maps. And then make the scarab more common.
Pretty much a league meant for a twelve hour a day player. It's a bit frustrating going to work in the morning and coming home to play and in that time the strategy shifted five times and one patch was deployed. And the best strategies heavily rely on buying stuff like scarabs and corpses. Wasn't the sextant change made to simplify mapping? Now it takes even longer to setup and calculate.
Last league I had worthwhile things to sell: lots of essences, replicas to sell, a fulcrum from a void cache. This league nothing in my inventory aside from the equipment is worth more than 10c.
Compared to Sanctum, ToTa and Affliction there's nothing interesting to do and explore as league content only shifting mobs and clicking corpses that's the whole league mechanic.
also, T17 should be a lot more common, GGG missed the mark on so many things that it is insane
HH is 23 div right now.... Build for his farming costs as any other good build on any other league. 1-3 mirror.
U need mirror bow, for start
hasn't been a league easier to get your own mirror bow than Necropolis crafting
8:55 Love this. Anything that breaks the economy in PoE and forces people to play, is a good thing.
The only good part is that you can find an afflame worth 2 div anytime you start a t14-16 map, a corpse worth 1.5 div.
The main issue is the div cards that are farmed in the strat give other league mechanic "exclusive" items. Adorned fragments = deep delve no longer that profitable, nimis = farming eater not that profitable. Affliction was better than this, bcuz you only could farm basic currency and uniques. And mfers flooded the market with valdo's boxes so that really strong builds(my personal target every league is to make one) have a profitable thing to farm. Now if you have a strong build w/o a HH you will never make more than an mfer.
My point is: juicing with allflames is fine: it will only last for a league. Div card scarab is not fine. Even without allflames and t17s Emperyan's party was able to farm more currency than in affliction league
you dont need to change allflame anarchy. just remove tormented spirit mod on t17s. that is responsible for 80% of everything.
I am glad I held on to those scarabs, sold them for 40d each today. Even if the price goes up I’m happy with this
This all goes back to what is, in my opinion, the most toxic aspect of POE- the urgency to take two weeks off your job at league start to gain an advantage for currency and content. There’s a lot of us still working on our first or second characters now. We’ve had some fun with the league. But now if we want to try and get a build to its full potential, sorry, the cost of entry into a strategy that enables you to afford the items you need is out of reach.
And now you understand why everyone was saying POE would change when tencent bought them. Chinese companies and games see nothing wrong with making a game into your job. And thats exactly whats happened.
I feel like this league was an experiment for the future of endgame in poe. We now know many op strats that can be abused so GGG can implement a balance fix later. It seems fine to have a league broken imo.
Honestly I feel like they need to change how scarabs work on the high end and make it a more mid to end game boost for juicing and make something new so they can re-balance power and drop rate. I feel like even higher end scarabs should be way more common and some of the craziest boosts should not be on scarabs that way they can be way more common.
T17s are an issue and still are I think for most players even now. But I feel like gear did not get much better. But from what I understand gear iLevel essentially caps at 85 (is that still the case?) so having an iLevel 95 item doesn't matter and I don't believe there are any powerful new bases that high up either right?
So we are kind of in this weird area where you need superior gear that is not exactly easy to get but without a particular step stone gear to get to that point, then you add in the fact that most good farming and gear is from these harder maps and pretty much need to be juiced and those boosting items are rare(or rarer then they should be) and it just creates this rich get richer effect.
Which I mean I am fine with that. I don't want PoE to end up like D4 (which is becoming more like D3 every day) where I get to 100 in 5 hours and fall asleep playing because they handed me a full set gear which makes me unkillable... but I usually get 4 characters or so to 95-98 before I get bored in a league and usually do okay currency wise even in SSF. But there are a number of bosses I have not been able to beat, or have the currency or access to items some players do. And I get it, life aint fair, but sometimes it is just discouraging.
Hearing you explain this gave me a flash back to the og 100% deli triple beyond mapping with hh and so on.
I would appreciate ggg coming in for another massive patch to the league just to get things going better. A league is a league for testing the brand new content. If stuff is clearly over tuned or under tuned with a clear look please don't be hesitant to cut it bad by a bit. I would go as far as suggesting to do a hot fix for the t17 maps and disable the divination scarab. The scarab isnclearly breaking metas and needs to be cut before too much more damage is done.
Always look forward to these videos to explain why prices are so crap sometimes
I did find some Divination Scarabs of Curation, I think it were three in total. The first was in week 1 and sold for a few Divines, the other two were in the last couple of days and I sold both like 24 hours ago for 20 Divine each and now I am pretty sad.
Aaand now you're happy again ( 10 divs upon comment)
Most people barely reach red maps. Let alone farm pinnacle bosses, of that percentage even fewer successfully farm the uber version. I don't think the t17 maps are an issue considering a vast majority of the player base just sell their pinnacle boss fights anyways. There's no shot that people who don't know how to run s build to the point of farming uber bosses in past leagues are comparing about the difficulty of t17 maps, it's meant to be a stepping stone in the sense that if you're consistently able to beat enough to get full uber fights then you should be fine in the fight itself. T17 should not be easy enough for people to farm an uber fight and sell it for even profit without being able to complete it. Casuals will always be mad at the wealth gap but either don't have the time to save enough currency or the brain capacity toestablish a build good enough to bridge the gap. It's that simple, as a casual player i know how to make hundreds of divines per league and craft pretty damn gear but i also realize 90% of players can't and just want to complain about how the rich get richer
Mam I have a question but maybe I'm stupid or crazy but let's assume something, let's say this scarab of curation doesn't exist, with so low drop change doesn't exist anyway, so my question, I was farming some time now, not exactly scarabs but I have the nodes in the atlas, is this even worth it? I think I sold two 200 chaos scarabs and horded the rest and my whole tab is worth like 5 divines. I think I will take unwavering vision and just don't take scarabs, they are not worth it in my opinion.
just my two cents.
i have ~1,5m kills on 200% quant+ 8mod, ive dropped 3 of the cheap div scarabs.
my buddy with
I found one of the div scarabs early on day one, sold it for 1 div to kick start my build. Seeing the price of it skyrocket physically hurts.
On the other hand, I saved up tons of lvl 83-84 Anarchy all flames so I made bank off of that.
this was me.
1 div on day one > 40 divs on this fcked economy
Listening to the streamers say how bad this all is(and last league) is how i feel every normal league priced out of things and builds, but last league played my longest ever and most builds because of these broken things. Now dont get me wrong this strat is way out of what i can afford but things that make cool builds are easier and cheaper to get and was last league. Last league my friend thats bad at the game was having a blast doing blight and getting 7d for his tainted oils and was able to try armor stacker. So im sure things here will do the same.
We are 12 days into a new at the very least 100 day league. They really need to start testing the game again.
This shit makes affliction look like a bloody normal tame ass league LOL
I think if GGG tries to ''fix'' this now, it'll impact everyone who's already missing out even more. It'll reinflate the expensive stuff and the fringe content that could still steadily generate currency will take a hit cause, while this method is printing raw divs, uniques and scarabs, there're still things that aren't being printed that are still profitable.
Honestly, GGG shouldn't move on this one. I'm not even doing this method, I'm not advocating it. I just know there'll be worse ripple effects if they try to ''fix'' it hastily with a bandaid. Think we gotta just accept that the economy for this league is just a bit weird and busted (remember heist?) and if you're having fun, that's cool - if not,honestly it does suck and I do empathize with it. But I'd say, you don't need to accept the fomo. I missed out on the div frogs. And honestly, I'm probably gonna miss out on this cause while my build is strong, it's an all rounder and not catered to that level of juicing. I'll still steadily be able to afford what I want and farm what I want. But I do get, how for some, it's overly upsetting seeing the market get blown wide open this way. I'm just not confident that they can fix it and not potentially break the league in an even worse way.
Fore the all flame they should make it so you can only put 1 of etch all flame per pack so max 1 exile all flame per map
This league is all kinds of absurd: frogs/rats dropping several dozens of divines, casual ~0.5 mirror per hour farm strats,
Beta was postponed till the end of the year...
I realise now that this specific strat need a huge amount of chaos to reroll t17s, casual players, just do blight/delve jewelries farming for chaos recipes, you probably can pull 5 div an hour. 3 hours a day and you get your mageblood in 1.5 weeks :>
CHAOS RECIPES 😂😂😂 bro that’s the worst advice to give a new player
@@adventures12345-l I don’t see why not, you can take just out of act 10 gear and get a mb in less than 2 weeks how broken is that?
And GGG hasn’t say anything about it the good thing is that I was able to get my headhunter and my mageblood which is the only two things I always want to have in the game after that I’m done every league.
Breaking more than the economy. They're causing server lag with these maps they're running, making other players experience 3000 latency and the game to be unplayable. I'm actually done with the league until it gets sorted. I can't even fuckin' delve rn because my character just cyclones against a wall until it dies to darkness.
I got the curation scarab yesterday from a random blight encounter in a t11 map and then spent the next 2 hours buying gear lmao
I would say main reason dying sun went up so much is because it's a shit boss with multiple phases. Just takes a long time to clear just once and the proceed with your day. Most people would rather not go through that. Now if they reworked shaper fight to be considerably shorter with those stupid in between transitions to be deleted the. I think people might wana do it. But rate for flask still Needs to be raised a bit.
The changes and difficult of t17's mean me as a casual player won't ever see those bosses. Feelbadman.jpg
Found one of those when it was worth 7div and another one a few das ago and sold it for 29div. I pretty much finished my build with it, so no regrets lol.
I don't think it's all bad. For low income players, having a lower chaos:div ratio makes things much more accessible.
i'll never fathom how people come up with these strategies, yet even how to beat it
if they play the game, good for them. sadly i'll never be playing at that type of insane level
I mean Defiance of DEstiny got moved to t0 and HH got nerfed so price makes sense.
yup, ppl don't understand but DoD is really good item aswell so price justified.
nah bro, DoD just doesn't have a divination card, that's why it's more expensive
Meanwhile this is happening, the retention rate are further dropping off a cliff. If this goes on 1 or 2 more days we might be lowest of all time.
what are u talkin about?
I’ve been playing hours a day, only have 3 watch stones and am farming delve for currency and of course am completely ignoring the league mechanic.
Probably the most fun league since I started playing back in harvest.
Economy seems insane but I’m trying an ssf-ish approach only trading when I need to and it’s been great.
I think a lot of people are having fun this league. the crazy prices are fun at times, annoying at times, but it's not a BAD league or anything
Last league was spitting out just as much currency, and the entry level was much much lower lol. I don't understand how this is a problem. Every league has a strategy that's high investment high reward, this is no different
Got it, I'll just stay broke this league
after watching this video I checked my scarabs and I have 2 of the curation ones, didn't even realise how fucking expensive those are and I run dirt cheap builds that are mostly ssf oh well...
strong box inherenting modifers added to maps is the main issue.
Absolutely wild, didn't think it would get any crazier than affliction. Do you think GGG will step in
Honestly worst part about all of this as an average to slow player. I get to see all this hype and awesome drops, and never get to act on any of it. I don't blame the players taking advantage of it, but just furthers the mindset exploit early and often. Or get left behind. I feel like I am just mapping hoping I get lucky, where these players are out here making their own luck. 😅
I found 1 curation scarab in SSF and migrated to trade league after about a week and sold it for 10 divine. Seeing this stuff is why I prefer to start in SSF...The fomo feeling is not fun when you know you cant compete with these people
U can't never compete if both ur playtime and knowledge about the game is way lower.. same with crafting.. thts why its always funny when ppl cry about ppl like Empy and his grp when they play 12-15h a day super efficiently.
@@M.M.1996 what are u talking about? u mean quantifier for each player present in grp? are u sayin tht u should get same amount of loot as if u played alone? xddd sure man go play singleplayer game or ssf, what are u even talkin about?
I think it is fine to have a clear winner strategy. However, this league the low tier strategies are made worse than past leagues. Some are just a case of content is just difficult by default with very little to no bonus from league mechanic. It's not just this strategy being way too far ahead of the other. The others are made less enjoyable as well.
This is a good take. Im not going to sit here and act like I have real statistics about how much the average PoE player logs in every day and farms, but if a regular player makes 200-300 divines in an entire league, and you have players making 10x that in one map, you might need to disable those scarabs
I honestly think this is neither a scarab or a allflame problem, I think GGG just missed this interaction.
The scarabs are probably fine in standard where there is no necropolis.
Might be wrong though
@@realmothbuterfli Yes the allflames adding rogue exiles are what juices it to the gills. It's still really strong without it but not even close to what it is now
@@dtreezy And honestly the allflames are shit when used alone so I can see how GGG would miss this interaction
Fubgun? Didn’t empyreans group come up with the builds and the strat?
well he needed to make solo build, grp gear setup is different than solo but map strat yeah... even tho i don't think they used tht many anarchy allflames maybe later on or by the end of the week deffo not first few days.
Only the divination card part. T17s and allflames were came up with after ~week passed. Not by Fubgun, too. He just made 10 mirrors in a day
I guess the real game is, grinding away and flexing your HUGE div/hour. To gear your char to kill pinacle bosses that you can kill in a few days in scrubcore with 6 portals. Mmmk.
I sold 3 of those scarab. Easiest 120 divine of my life. Haha
any tip to farm those?
@@NerdB2 If you wanna specifically target farm that one scarab, you can block every possible league mechanic on the atlas (blocking their respectful scarab drops as well), while fully speccing into scarab drop chance (dont spec any of the increased drop chance for specific scarabs as there are non for div card scarabs).
And then proceed with the usual stuff like killing as many monsters, with as much quant on the map, and on the build, as you can fit.
@@NerdB2 to finish other guys tought also influence for chance to get scarab dupe node.
I simply do not understand the complaints with players getting items. It seems that the people who complain most are people sad that someone other then them has access to items. It is like some kind of weird itemization gatekeeping.
Your point about not being sure how to make money about this or if you don't have the money already you just won't isn't true.... I'm level 91 I have not completed my atlas on my Nova arc mage.... I've made over 400 divines selling allflames and scarabs.. my character is not capable of running the strategy due to its power level being way too low but I do have a headhunter and enough currency to enjoy nearly any build I want.... I get it it is tanking prices of items like headhunter or mage blood or other things... But it's also making the barrier to entrance for these items so low that very casual player like myself who only puts in a few hours here and there has been able to really enjoy League. I'm sure it's not good but it's a throwaway league at this point and I'm having fun.
The 40div scarab is not consumed on use because people add another 8div Scarab that prevents other scarabs from getting consumed.
it takes up a slot, cant remove beyond, cant remove full stack, only more div, might not be even woth it
Man finally found someone to explain this properly. Get my defence for way cheaper but ya the rich are stupid rich 😂
hc trade felt never this dead.. usually the global 820 is full with ppl chatting first few weeks into the league now it feels lik 2month into the league when most ppl already quit.
didn't we have the same issue last league
They just patched the Rogue exile to 1 per pack
Welcome in the real life Exiles !
i though the map is suppsed to be like 8mod T16 and hard boss at the end, for the middle point for bossing
instead we got this.. :/
I have started all over in SSF for the first time because of the economy I’m just done it was that or quit the league tbh for me personally. All the fun has drained in trade in record amounts of time.
I love when this happens, because other farming metods become forgotten and you get so much profit from said mechanic while investing nothing lol.
And also whats the point of nerfing this? Rich people get rich, nothing new and 99% of the playerbase gets literally free lot, its a win win. Not to mention dirt cheap HH, thats a win too. So I dont get it.
I'm probably gonna have to buy a T17 carry, I reckon. I can do regular maven in under a minute but I can't even dent T17 whites, for some reason, at least not before they kill me. I'm very confident I could do ubers, but I can't manage to get there.
the carry cost around 30-40c which is very cheap
Perfect timing as they’re nerfing it a lot right now
so far i farmed 3 divs, from the start of league xD
thats crazy, 10 mir...per day
Yeah I quit early this league economy is wild
'Economy' is a living breathing thing. 'Breaking' is the wrong term... Moreso simply altering what we've been accustomed to thus far ;)
Technically you are right. The main issue is the div cards that are farmed in the strat give other league mechanic "exclusive" items. Adorned fragments = deep delve no longer that profitable, nimis = farming eater not that profitable. Affliction was better than this, bcuz you only could farm basic currency and uniques. And mfers flooded the market with valdo's boxes so that really strong builds(my personal target every league is to make one) have a profitable thing to farm. Now if you have a strong build w/o a HH you will never make more than an mfer
10 Mirrors in a single day? Solo? I quit this league then. (:
meanwhile I haven't found a Devine yet lol. I'm new tho, started end of affliction.
@johnWayne-vd1qy I'll give it a shot for sure thanks for the tip.
This has been nerfed latest patch. Exile allflame only gives 1 and tormented spirit mod on T17 maps is gone