RX 7800 XT... But Power Efficient - Testing Games at 200 Watts
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Undervolting the AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT all the way down to RTX 4070 levels 😎 Shopping: geni.us/SkMvZ (affiliate)
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Test rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K
Motherboard - ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 HERO
Memory - 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5-6000 (2x16)
Cooling - Corsair H150i Elite LCD
PSU - Seasonic Prime TX 1600 Watt
OS - Windows 11 PRO 22H2
- XMP Setting Applied - Resizable Bar Enabled
- Core Isolation is disabled
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
0:52 - The Problem - High Stock Power Consumption
1:12 - Undervolting with the AMD Radeon Software
2:20 - Disclaimer - Undervolt and overclock at your own risk!
3:00 - Undervolted Power Consumption & Clock Speeds
3:18 - Undervolted Gaming Performance
4:15 - RX 7800 XT Undervolted vs RX 7800 XT Stock
5:00 - RX 7800 XT Stock vs RTX 4070
5:25 - RX 7800 XT Undervolted vs RTX 4070
5:40 - Improved Thermals & Noise Performance
6:35 - Final Thoughts
Games tested:
Assassin's Creed Valhalla
Baldur's Gate 3
Cyberpunk 2077
Doom Eternal
Dying Light 2
F1 2022
God of War
Microsoft Flight Simulator
Remnant 2
Spider-Man Remastered
Starfield
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- This product was provided by Gigabyte for the purpose of testing. As per my own guidelines, they don't get any say about anything in this video or any of my other reviews. It's not sponsored by them, they also didn't get to preview this video beforehand, or any other nonsense like that. My reviews reflect my own views, nothing more, nothing less.
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Hey all. Some notes:
- To clarify, the recording of the software is just to show you where the settings are. These are NOT the settings used for this test and like I said, you'll need to find the right settings for your own specific GPU.
- The RTX 4070 Starfield result has been updated with the latest Nvidia driver installed, so it's up about 5% from the data you saw last week. Still far behind AMD unfortunately.
- REMINDER: I will NEVER reply to your comment asking you to text a number or send a telegram message. Please do not fall for those scams!
Also check out my original RX 7800 XT Review with 33 games tested on 3 resolutions here: ruclips.net/video/G9XmJd6cGeA/видео.html&t
Now while you're at it, you should have checked the 60 fps power consumption as well. The nvdia cards do very well at 65 watts. Probeer het!
Hello Nada, do you plan to test the undervolt on the 7700XT as well? I cannot know for sure, but I think the 7700XT is pushed up even higher on the efficiency curve, thus undervolting it can deliver even better results. I am hesitating to buy a 7700XT and this is a key factor in the decision. 😊
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What else would be 😆
Love how this channel goes in depth on power usage. As someone that lives in a country with high electricity costs, I have been looking for a channel like this for a while. Very glad someone recommend you to me. Keep up the great work.
Thank you! 😊
Soon, we will all live in a country with high electricity costs.
@@CosmicDancer87power will be currency eventually.
@@OMGERRORWTFlmfao 😂😂
no, its gonna be very much the opposite and thats what I would like to believe as well.@@CosmicDancer87
Thanks for the video.
I honestly believe undervolting + slightly underclocking a GPU is worth the mild performance loss to help increase its longevity, especially with a locked frame rate.
I have an undervolted + slightly underclocked 6700 XT and locked my frame rate to 90 FPS with Radeon Chill. Keeps power draw low, temperatures cool and framerate consistent.
Excellent video, undervolting is king nowadays, looking forward to more videos like this.
Nice overview of the process. Of course, the buyer will also need to consider that you can also undervolt the alternative, which is arguably more effective. On my 4070, for reference, performance is equivalent but average power draw is now around 140 watts (975mV@2700Mhz). One could argue that UV is an easier proposition on AMD as the tuning features are built in to the software stack while Afterburner (or some equivalent 3rd party utility) is needed for nVidia.
All of that being said, the additional VRAM and more attractive pricepoint of the 7800XT would probably have swayed me had I not already caved on the 4070.
Great contend :)
@@Nayah9 Messy, really? You ever use GeForce Experience or the antiquated control panel? AMD's software stack is cleaner / more intuitive to use in virtually every capacity. One could make the argument undervolting might be easier on Afterburner but nVidia has no alternative that they own and develop themselves. Maybe you are unaware, but Afterburner could go away at any time (like when MSI stopped paying the dev at the start of the Ukrainian conflict). All of that being said, it's not like you can't use Afterburner to UV/OC Radeon cards if you prefer that interface.
@@Nayah9nividia control pannel is ugly and so is msi afterburner.
I was going to add this as well. I run my 4070 (Palit GamingPro) at 1000 mV, 2850 core clock, +1100 memory clock, and in most games I'm basically capped at 150 W power draw. (Some games go up to 180, not sure what the difference is.) Not a massive performance gain over stock on this card (~2% in benchmark), but it's generally there even at lower power draw.
@@mordacain3293 Yeah, I mainly use GeForce Experience for the automatic driver updates and for the easy-to-setup overlay. Nothing wrong with it. I don't get your point.
I'm purely referring to undervolting software. Afterburner is undeniably better. Can you even do a custom curve on AMD software? That's pretty important for undervolting.
I'm not anti-AMD or anything. My PC runs on a 7950X and I love it. I'm just saying undervolting on AMD software looks a lot more convoluted and less effective than Afterburner.
Afterburner is not going away anytime soon. You're referring a story from about a year ago where it looked like the funds might be cut, but that has long been resolved and it only happened once, while Afterburner is decades old.
And yeah, I know you can use Afterburner with AMD GPUs. So why don't you?
Excellent tutorial! I undervolt my 6900XT with extremely similar tuning. I set power limit to -10% and voltage to 960mV. Min 2600 MHz, Max 2700 MHz. VRAM fast timing and max out frequency at 2150 MHz. This has actually increased my performance in most games and runs at 100W lower than default or default undervolt settings down to around 250W under load. I may have a rare case where the default is slower, but manually tuning the MHz to 100MHz window is what really worked well. I may have actually been throttling due to hitting hotspot 90 degree temps with stock settings even with the Sapphire Toxic Nitro which has radiator cooling
If your Sapphire Nitro thermal throttles, something is very wrong with either card itself or case. It's impossible to thermal throttle with 360mm rad, even with 500 watts.
Play Rust for 6 hours with hwmonitor open and you will see the hotspot hitting above 90 using default settings@@darkfire3691
In RDNA 2 that 960mv seems quite low, most likely not stable.
it is very stable. I have been using it for months@@josecangrejo3086
are you tested your settings on 3dmark? because no way I your settings is stable with voltage that low and clock speed that high! I have myself a 6900xt RDU and I can't even reach 1000mV with any clock settings without crashing.
Nada, you are killing it with your videos!!! Putting out some of the best tech content on RUclips!
Awesome! thank you @techtesters. One trick i used to do with underclock and undervolt was to run a demanding game, for instance any recent battlefield game, run hwinfo and see what the average clocks would be and set it to that for a start :) Probably disabling the constant turbo hunting would lower temps as well.
This is exactly the video I needed. Thank you. I need a power efficient card to run cool & quiet inside a FD Define 7 Compact together with my 7800X3D. 7800 XT is doing well at 200W. I really wanted that 16GB VRAM and to explore AMD again aswell.
Ty so much for listening my demand for this test.Very informative and well done video!keep up the good work!
Thank you!
This is a fascinating video as was your previous video that covered power draw costs! Please do more of this! You are the only person covering these key issues about how much power these cards use and their knock on running costs. Really Excellent video! 😊
Thank you!
@@TechTestersMost Welcome! Thank you for taking the time to respond! You have a new Sub because of this power draw approach to graphics cards! Please PLEASE cover this more and with new cards as they come on the market. This is something that needs more attention as GPUs become ever more power hungry! As a gamer that plays for a lot of hours per day in the UK (where we have a high energy cost like you in the Netherlands), this is a key issue and I hope you produce more videos on this key topic! I'm currently using a 1080 Ti but shopping for a new card. Power draw vs performance is a key issue for me to consider over the initial investment cost. I'm not someone who replaces my graphics card ever two years (and OC my card accordingly!). I run my system in as low power (not overclocked) to extend the component life time. Yet this seems to be ignored by the vast majority of presenters who expect components to burn out in no time and accept this cost hit for performance. Performance vs power draw vs purchase price is a key issue to me.
@@TechTesters hey there nice in depth tutorial, is true AMD draws more power than Nvidia cards, so how much will this impact on my Electrical bills
lets say i used the PC for some games fortnite in 1440p 5hours of fortnite, then 10 hours of Netflix per day ? Will it be a huge impact in prices or not ?
Thanks so much for this. It's already annoying (if understandable) that so many tech channels focus on pricing in the U.S., which is rather different than here in The Netherlands. Then, in the parts of the review/discussion that I don't ignore as useless to me, many gloss over the power issue as a brief side note (I guess power is cheap in North America, since Canadians don't seem to pay much attention to it either).
I really, really appreciate that you focus on these concerns that Europeans -- and specifically Nederlanders -- might have when making buying decisions. And I'm *extremely* glad to have a reason to turn my face from the 4070 and towards the 7800xt 🙂. 👍🏾!
Yeah, I mean I just bought the 7800XT either way bc AMD seems much better at the price-performance ratio than Nvidia. But now with this video, its even better to know that I can keep high fps while saving some power. It could also help with the longevity of this graphics card.
What is the price per kilowatt/hw where you live
Mines is about $0.12
@@dozergames2395 It was about half that last year, while we had a price ceiling regulated by the government (and while I had an always-night rate, fixed-tariff contract with the energy company). However, the price ceiling is no longer valid in 2024, so my new rate (new year, new contract) is almost twice what you're paying (€0,21/kWh, possibly + €.0,07).
@@hollisbostick2872 damn thats one hell of a change to experience wish you the best with that
Useful video, thanks!
Ok this was an amazing video idea! Thank you so much!
In the 2k’s I was an avid overclocker💪🚀. The past ~7years I’ve switched to being an avid undervolter ⚡⚡with my CPUs and gpus as I’ve been into ITX PCs🥰💪😇 (since Intel 4th Gen) and it’s proven to be worthwhile for me. I get a vg reduction in power draw, waaaay better temps and noticeably quieter fans🤩🥳etc! While it’s not for everyone, slower speeds on CPUs / GPUs doesn’t result (as shown here) in much of a fps reduction.
Great video Nada and I think as many people are building smaller systems MATX / ITX these days, this video is going to prove more worth while.
Thanks for making these! There aren't many who do undervolting on cards, but it's something which is very valuable information when choosing a new card. Oh, AND Love the content! ❤
The Kind of tests I look foward to. Good Job Keep it up Techtesters.
Thank you!
Brilliant video, thanks 👍
Undervolting is magical for any Cpu or Gpu if one wants better temps, better power efficiency, lower fans, and sometimes better performance (mainly for mobile cpu/gpu which are tdp constrained and can run into power limits).
Good to see the King 7800xt Undervolted.
Nice. 7800XT at 200Watts is awesome. A little slower, but we're also looking at a much more energy efficient package. In terms of power consumption, the most painful point is in the summer. Having an extra 90Watts of heat to pump out of your house is a pain. I underclock everything every summer.
in summer you should not underwolt as the prices for flat/house are cheaper because you dont need heating, you should underwolt and winter
Thanks, I wanted to say underclock. I misspoke. Yes, yes undervolt when things get hot is a bad idea, it tends to make the everything less stable.
@@Toonamik
@@Toonamik Most people use air conditioning in summer here as it gets very hot.
Assuming this will also help with the 7700xt, could it matter from which model you buy? Because you also have the hellhound which is even more quieter as well as cooler. Maybe it runs with less power as well.
Also, isn't there an easier way to undervolt? I thought I read somewhere you could activate auto undervolt. But that still goes specifically above 200w isn't it? So for this you needed to undervolt yourself right?
I'm a big fan of tweaking settings towards efficiency, primarily with knocking down the fan noise and amounts of heat output but also saving a bit on electricity is a good thing. Other than undervolting technologies like FSR and DLSS mixed with a framerate cap are also amazing tools. For example I'm playing Lies of P on a pretty high end build on an ultrawide 3440 x 1440 and with DLSS on Quality with a 120fps cap gpu is drawing 110 watts from the close to 400 it would draw if I was running native without a framrerate cap.
I'm now using a 60 fps cap with dlss balanced and undervolting on a 4060 ti, the savings are amazing without sacrificing any quality.
Interesting. The undervolt was most likely where AMD originally targeted the reference card to run, but then they turned it up when it couldn't consistently beat the RTX 4070. Once you take into account the fact that the RX 7800 XT is also a fair amount cheaper than the 4070, it looks like a big win...if you can live without DLSS and don't mind the reduced ray tracing performance, at least.
What is the camera equipment that you use? Nice quality
Never thought someone would bother testing and posting this! Am looking to get one of the two, also in the EU, also concerned with my electrical bills!
Picked up a Gigabyte RTX 7800 XT (same one as in the video) before black Friday for $499. Stock w/Intel i7 13700 it did a 1440p Furmark score of 12810. I undervolted to pretty similar settings in this video and got a Furmark score of 12049. Since I'm only playing at 1440p/144, I'm not making out my GPU anyway. I can live with this.
The 12GB RTX 4070 is anywhere from $50-$150 more than the 16GB RTX 7800 XT at the moment.
That's great i can accept that result. Thank you.
Exactly the question I was trying to find the answer to! Thanks
Glad I could help!
@@TechTesters hey there nice in depth tutorial, is true AMD draws more power than Nvidia cards, so how much will this impact on my Electrical bills
lets say i used the PC for some games fortnite in 1440p 5hours of fortnite, then 10 hours of Netflix per day ? Will it be a huge impact in prices or not ?
Thanks for the video.
What do you think about memory overclocking in the vram tuning section?
You're welcome :)
And I didn't get into that yet. Since OC potential is so sample dependant I tend to focus on other topics around launch first.
im running my 4070 at 75% power target. my fps in ark went shockingly down from 118 to 114. i barely lose more than 5% in any case with 150 watts
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!! 🤩😘
Perfect video at the perfect time! Looking to spec a new PC that'll be 4k capable for a while but the UK's not looking so good right now with the energy crisis. It's nice to see something that helps make the choice between a VRAM bottleneck in 1-2 years or particularly chilly Winters.
If you're going after 4K, I would seriously consider the benefits of DLSS as well. I'd say the 7800 XT is best at 1440p.
@@TechTesters No one can predict the future but if you had to guess, how risky is it opting for a 12gb VRAM card as potential 4k budget option this year compared to say 3+ years? Are we fooling ourselves if we think anything less than a 4080 has realistic longer term potential?
I wish I had an answer to that. I do agree that if you're serious about 4K, 4080-4090 is the way to go, but it's not exactly cheap.
Thank you so much for this video. As someone that it's getting rip off by my power company, and the only one here. And Solar isn't an option. It bothers me how rarely Power Efficiency is touch by reviewers and usually just brush over. Some of us are able to buy GPUs because we save for years. Money is still tight. And when you are on the .30 and .40s per kWh. it does adds up. And there is no reason to waste energy if you don't have to. When I got my 3060 ti, although I didn't think it was the best fps per dollar. Compare to some other options. Undervolting it and power limit, gave me similar performance, sometimes better. With lot less power, less fan noise, lower temps. And my TV has a 60hz panel so reaching 60 or close and within VRR ranges is good enough for me.
Nice, I had wondered how close it would be at the same power, thanks for answering that for me!
Hope it helped :)
@@TechTesters well I've got a 4090, but I just like knowing this stuff 😄 my partner's 1080ti is getting a little old though...
Omg wist helemaal niet dat je Nederlands was!! Awesome!!!
Everyone should do this. Its als a lot quieter and less heat produced! And saving electricity should always be a goal
Good info, thanks. 10 pct performance is a small price to pay for 40 pct power savings. Not only because of electricity costs, but also noise and heat.
Grate video
I would have liked to see the relative power savings and fps losses for each game. In the games where you lose more fps do you save more power?
Also could you reduce memory speed to save power, and how much does that affect fps from game to game.
Nice review again Nada 😍
Thank you 😃
Very useful. I was reluctant to buy a 7800xt due to power consumption. Less heat generated is better !
hello just randomly find out your guide after adrenaline update cos it reseted my global settings
and only one that i had was some bg3 one which i wasnt sure about
i dont care much about power consumption
and my settings was min 500 max 2815 v 1055 ram 2600 with non default ram timing idk how its called with default W setting
and since you had grapths with 4070 i was wondering what if i just use more undervolt option like yours as global settings or for easier for gpu games and run something like mine for others
like what the actual difference and if there reason to actually use different profiles for different games
and another question i wanted to ask
i had trouble with recording (any kind of it with adrenaline version higher then 23.2.1)
when i press record button nothing happens
Pink nail polish and red one as well! Got them! Looks good! 🙂
Does anybody know if you have to start the AMD software every time you start your PC and turn on the undervolting settings or can you just turn it on once and it stays on until you change it manually? Put simpler: do the undervolting settings reset when you reboot your system?
Good question. I have mine set to not start automatically, as I'm still tweaking settings and want them fully stable before I let them load at startup. I'll have to see if there is a setting for that. I am pretty sure there is, I just have to find it.
Wow, interesting content. Thank you!
Hope it helped :)
undervolting your GPU or CPU or memory will never cause the hardware harm, never, it is physically impossible to bring hardware damage by reducing the voltage.
you still do however have the same risk as with overclocking/overvolting of file corruption when a crash or bluescreen happens or unstable memory during file copying,writing,reading etc due to instability, but this is not hardware damage. this is why a good recommendation after having tuned your hardware even if you've had no crashes and then tested for stability, is to make sure that during your tuning that you have not gotten any corrupted system files, so doing a sfc scan etc is a good precaution, last thing you want is to have a corrupted file keep being corrupted for a long time, because it might be corrupted in a way that the system still works, but over time it will read from the corrupted data and apply that as a value elsewhere, which might work fine for a while, but suddenly not work fine anymore later down the line.
It would have been nice to also see the undervolt with an overclock and the effect on power. I've seen that some reviews have shown large frequency gains for these cards but many don't explore the undervolting situation in tandem.
I did some testing on that. timespy runs smooth down to 960mV for example... what do you want to know?
starfield runs on 1030mV, 2660Mhz clock, 2600MHz VRAM @ 250W max
@@LordTwinkstein So, what percentage (or absolute) fps gain are you getting with those settings compared to stock?
Perfect review angle to me !
Thank you!
Thanks for the video. I have my card undervolted to 1010mv@2520MHz(Stock) and its stable. But when i lower my clock from 2520 to 2400Mhz its unstable. Do i miss something? I also made my VRAM a little faster, could this be the issue?
Are you Measuring Power Usage with a dedicated Hardware monitor or just the regular software read-out? I heard that AMD is often underreporting the actual consumption. Is this still true for the 7000 Series?
Hardware. Although 7000 series software readout (total board power) is MUCH better than it was on last gen AMD GPUs!
Just want I wanted to see with this card, thank you so much :)
You’re welcome 😊
In early days AMD GPU's tend to gain performance with undervolting, but lately I see this behavior on my 6900XT as well where it underclocks itself depending on the voltage.
Excellent and informative video, keep up the great work.
ALL GPU's gain performance with undervolting if they are Power limited
Nice ! 😊
i undervolted my 7900XT. had few issues in games.
290w max uv+oc, 315w uv+oc with ray tracing
instead of 350w+.
but ! you can underclock the card, and thus, it can go lower in power consumption.
capping @ 2300/2400 mhz is a good basis
and overclocking the memory adds wattage also.
good good subject ! ❤
can you tell me if you play COD?cs my 7900xt makes me crazy in this game,max stable 1060mv from original1100
@@milostokar4007 i have cod cold war. should i bench ?
undervolting, depends on the game. ov/uv is tricky. from 350w+ to less than 300w. worth a try
I like the undervolting test, just wish it would be more widespread to test like this! As the clocks diminish i would maybe try a little overclock to compensate, if possible!
Starfield runs super smooth on 2660MHz@1030mV for me... driver crashed under 1000mV, clock is stable for at least 2750MHz with my card, couldnt find the limit there, didnt wanted to find though :D
@@LordTwinkstein very nice! Other games probably not so stable
thanks for helping me :)))
Curious,how low can u go without loosing any performance?
Interesting. I currently run an RTX 2080 which is undervolted too.
But I think it might make more sense to go for a lower profile non OC card if someone want to reduce their power usage and electricity bill. That way you also save money on the card itself since they are usually cheaper and you probably don't need to undervolt it as much, if at all
I upgraded to a 4070ti from a 2080, double the performance and also undervolts down to 140 watts. But in some CPU heavy games only 40-60 watts, where my 2080 was on 120. As well as less on the desktop. So I'm actually saving much energy with a 4070ti.
Thank you Nada!
You're welcome 😊
I have this gigabyte 7800xt and I love it , been very good to me
Im getting the rx 7800xt thanks for the video ... and i like your assassin's creed earrings btw ❤👌
Enjoy! And thank you!
Have you tried benchmarking or playing games with some heavy ray tracing enabled? My card only seemed to crash when I enabled RT (in Cyberpunk) with a very mild undervolt (-40mv). Didn't crash when playing Cyberpunk with pure rasterisation, or during any other game.
I did try Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive mode but that's not a great experience for other reasons 😅 Definitely possible that RT requires just a tad more, but I don''t have any more information on that, sorry.
RT Overdrive?! 😂That's a torture test. @@TechTesters
Another way to reduce power consumption, thermals & noise is to put your AMD GPU into the Performance-Eco setting mode in the Adrenaline software & simply cap the frame rate at something reasonable-but-quality for the resolution that you are playing. On my ASUS TUF RX 7800 XT OC 16GB in my 1440p system build, I have my monitor set at 120Hz & the GPU frame rate capped at 120 to match that. I really don't see a need for FPS beyond that in my gaming.
Wow great results! I think you could improve it even more by deciding on a frame rate cap, such as 60 or higher. A consistent frame rate looks better than a variable one IMO.
Thanks! And a frame cap will definitely reduce it more.
Problem is if you have a 240hz monitor and play esports :/
@@SimonHaestoe Fair enough, crank up the fps 👍. I do still like a cap, it’s pretty much mandatory for the gaming laptop unless I want to put up with a load of fan noise.
Great review as always. I miss reviews of headsets, mice, keyboards and other computer peripherals. I saw the Corsair Virtuoso Pro headset on your last post on Instagram. It would be nice if you could review them. Graphics cards and SSD dominate your channel now. I'm not saying it's bad. I enjoy it, but I would like to see other components and peripherals on this channel. 🙂
Thanks! And I might do some peripherals again at some point, but they didn't really do as well. Will think about it anyway ;)
Love the content. I personally undervolt with an overclock.
Thank you.
I have a corsair 500w 80 gold plus PSU, if I undervolt to 200w can I run games with this card? I have a Ryzen 5600x CPU.
Great video again! Question as a fellow Dutch person. I am trying to a good site to buy the 7800 XT in the netherlands, any tips? is the Asrock 7800 xt challenger/phantom on Megekko any good?
I can’t say anything about the Asrock. They blacklisted us a few years back and I have zero reasons to buy one of their cards. I would personally get a card that has been reviewed positively.
which benchmark app is recommended for all the testing undervolt/overclock testing... been looking for a 1 stop benchmark app so i don't have to benchmark all the game 1 by 1 to check the stability
It can really depend on the game so I don't think there is one app that fixes that for you. This time we started with Cyberpunk, and once we got it stable there it was fine in the other games.
Ah yes interesting to see. Have to dive into the undervolt a bit more myself too. So far i just press the undervolt button in the software 😅
Idle power usage is a crucial variable when it comes to cost of power consumption. Could you tell me at which power the cards idle?
Id have to look up the details but single monitor idle power draw was very close to Nvidia.
Performance per watt is everything to me being a solar/battery gamer in a city that charges 44c pkwh otherwise, Im probably going to have to pay the nvidia tax for the 4080 and under volt that at some stage.
did you tried the under-volt wizard that comes with the Radeon software? does it do any changes?
I didn't try that, prefer manual control :)
@@TechTesters indeed but only to know if that wizards helps at all?, maybe as an starting point to fine tune the settings?
I happily undervolt and am willing to lower the freq limit to run stabily at lower volts for most usage, then use a game profile to crank the card up in a game specific profile where high performance is needed, it's really easy to do in Adrenaline.
What I've seen is the 1% lows tend to be hit disproportionately in heavy gfx games, but my card needs frequency limiting to run stably at lower voltages and have max power reduction.
The games I play the most are strategy and don't need super high fps so I really can enjoy running cooler in summer to reduce noise, while having other setttings for a fast paced game.
if 1% low is a problem, don't limit the power budget and only work with frequencies/voltage. imho
@@VADemon the power budget isn't used, the GPU would perhaps like to boost higher in parts with low utilisation but if it's not stable that isn't usable.
This is perhaps the silicon lottery in action, where the volts are required to hit the highest frequencies.
@@RobBCactive Have you seen igorslab's oscilloscope graphs of power consumption? Easily +50W peaks for only a few milliseconds.
@@VADemon no but I increase the power budget by 10% not lower it (having seen the outrageous spikes Ampere had), so while I know you want to help, but you simply are jumping to a conclusion due to insufficient info.
I've experimented and my real point was to remind people that 1% lows can be disproportionately worse when undervolting and that lowering the frequency might be required.
Plus that per game tuning is very simple with Adrenaline software.
Undervolt with small stability frequency cap can save a lot of power, but for games heavy on the GPU using a mild level of upscaling and Radeon Chill are good ideas.
@@RobBCactive thanks, that kind of experience shared is very insightful!
Just got mine 7800 xt in the mail today, managed to get slightly above 200W power consumption wise while keeping the clocks around 2500mhz
Nice, enjoy :D
Great video. Possibility for same video for 7900 xt? Just bought an Sapphire, and it's my very first time trying AMD gpu. Problem is, card was like 200e cheaper than 4070 ti, but EU electricity costs are insane, and wanna keep it under 300w.
Thanks! You can definitely improve the 7900 XT efficiency as well, but each card will require different tuning. Keeping it below 300W should be easy.
@@TechTesters Thank you for your response. I just wanna make sure, everything will be ok, without harming the card. It's ok if i try same settings as your video, or should i try different settings until card will stay stable under 300w? Sorry for asking that much. I'm not experienced at all with such matters, and it's the first time using AMD graphics card. Nvidia control panel was simple for me before, but AMD's seems a bit overwhelming 😊
Soon getting my Powercolor Hellhound 7800 XT, and the thing Im not sure about it what to put my min and max frequencies at in gpu tuning, I will try the -10% power limit and set voltage to about 1000mv, but the min and max freq Im not so sure about, any suggestions here? Thanks for the video anyways!
It really depends on the card. My goal here was to try and match the Nvidia power draw, I'd suggest looking up some more guide-style videos to find more specific OC/UV advice!
@@TechTesters Okay, I'll take a look after some of those, thanks anyways ^^
Nice video! I did the same with my Asus Arez Strix Vega56 except for that one you need to adjust P-states and not just the main slider. It went from a consumption of around 240watts to 145watts playing RDR2. However I do have one remark/question. For my Vega56 card, after undervolting and adjusting the frequencies, you for sure do not reduce the power limit, which you did do for this 7800xt. Have you also tested the results after changing the voltages and maybe frequencies a little without reducing the power limit? It could potentially provide better results
Thanks! And there is definitely room for optimization in there, like I said it was a pretty quick uv. Still took several hours before we hit ~200W while remaining stable, but it definitely went easier with the PL at 90% than 100%.
@@TechTesters dankjewel voor de uitleg en de reactie!
Thanks for this, was worried my 650W PSU couldn't handle the 7800 XT (700W is recommended). However, if I undervolt it should be just fine.
Depends a bit on the CPU as well, but with an efficient CPU definitely.
Great video, thanks. I now undervolted my 4060 Ti for the first time, here's my steps.
In Cyberpunk I use 1080p Ultra+RT settings, using 160 watts.
Limit the FPS at 60, using 133 watts.
Set RayTracing to medium and DLSS from quality to balanced, using 115 watts.
Undervolted my card using MSI Afterburner, flatten the curve to 2600MHz, power to 90%, using 98 watts.
Further setting DLSS to performance, using 88 watts (optional).
From appearance this looks almost the same as the 160 watts usage almost halving it!
How do you damage a card with undervolting? Less stress on components means longer lifetime.
The same settings are used for overclocking. I have to warn inexperienced users to be careful with those settings in general.
And technically getting your pc to crash constantly because of instability could cause some issues as well. Either way it's not 100% risk free.
I just don't se the point to underbolt a sub 300w gpu, maybe in a 7900xtx xrx will make sense because that cards goes wild ok the power consumption, but in a 7800xt I believe most people will overclocked it to get more performance and don't really care a about power consumption since it is not much. Anyway, interesting video for those struggling with electricity bills
It can make sense for systems with crap cooling (like prebuilts), or when heat is annoying. I am running a prebuilt that can't run a 3060ti at max 200w, but now I get 90+% of the performance at 150. But I mostly play games with frame locks, so I added some Nvidia SMI commands to limit clocks to 1230/1470(lower VRAM clock by limiting power state), and 1710/1830mhz for any scenario. I could feel the heat when whole system runs at 200+ watts, so that lowered heat is comfortable for me too.
Some benchmarking shows the slower profiles give RTX2060-3060 performance at around 80-100 watts, which allows for pretty much minimum fan speed even in this system with minimal cooling.
Que tal es esa grafica en especial esa misma de esa marca y de esa referencia alguien me ayuda?
ga met deze card een gaming pc assembleren..wacht nog op enkele parts. Dank je wel voor deze kundig uitleg.. Ga zo door...:)
Dank je wel :)
This will be interesting
By the way, could you also do a video on how to reduce idle and video playback (youtube browsing etc etc) on radeon GPUs? My 7800 xt was idling around 12 watts (fine) but the video playback was around 40 watts, sometimes shooting up to 70 with adrenaline open when I was merely moving the mouse around a bit.
Kinda curious if it's possible to move the power draw on idle down to like 20 while watching youtube like is possible on my 3060 ti.
I was reading that there are some settings to turn off in Radeon Adrenaline under ReLive or somethin that turns off desktop recording to reduce idle power draw, but I wasn't able to find it as the official guide from AMD was from 2021 or so before the software had changed.
Maybe and chill is something for you. It caps the frame rate to a chosen amount when you’re not moving your mouse. I found it annoying in gaming tho
@@Ivyticrea I actually had radeon chill on...I couldn't get the card to go below 40 when watching youtube. On my 3060 ti it's only like 15 but spikes up to 40 occasionally when I have a livechat open or running my cursor over the video
The 7700XT is also heavily overclockable, I'd really like to know how well it compares to other cards with an undervolt and OC and how efficient it can get.
I think it wont use too much power in 1080, with RT off and FSR on
yeah I've got one now and I got the core @3000Mhz ~ 1.05V and mem @ 2600Mhz & fast timings. It's using max 200W, haven't compared the game results to non OC yet.
@@Brype4000 Thats why I like the Sapphire Pulse because it doesnt have a boost OC that comes with the card... it also uses 15-25W less power than the 3 fan cards.. its almost like a plug and play card. I know 2 fan cards arent the most attractive for gaming performance, but it seems like the 7700 XT series are really good at low temps, which is weird because they are very power demanding. However, ill say it again, its interesting how the Sapphire pulse uses the least amount of power from all brands yet also keeping temps always below 63 degrees in intense gaming
3000mhz?!?! 😮👏
@@SimonHaestoe It wasn't perfectly stable at 1.05v, higher voltage might stabilize it, but I don't want high power usage so didn't try.
Especially the ram wasn't that stable
Have the Gigabyte as well. At first i was trying to get it to ~200W as well, but in the end i just adjusted the fan curve and reduced the voltage.
Up to 285W (standard power limit) it is quiet enough for me, so why limit it. Also in Starfield it's not going over 215w anyways.
Probably running into a CPU bottleneck in Starfield :D
How about RX 7700XT? Do you have undervolt test video?
also,, matching TDPs to 4070 isn't as simple as you present it. VRAM also uses power (IMCs, VRAM chips) . 12G vs 16G means that 7800XT has to power 4G extra VRAM. This is for sure some watts (not many, but still... ) . This means that when you match 200w , the AMD card uses LESS power for the GPU core than the 4070, since it "spends" more power on the larger 16G buffer. I know, its a nit-pick but, hey... :)
My new 20gb 7900xt is about to kick my butt then
Nvidia can also be easily underpowered (I do it on my 3060Ti, it is set to 65% power limit), thus I think to compare an undervolted AMD card to a stock Nvidia one is not entirely fair. Still, the information is correct, good and important (I am considering to buy a 7700XT with undervolting it in mind).
Nice!👍 but there is "luck factor" involved right, as in how much a card can undervolt and still runs stable, like overclocking🤔
Yeah definitely. One of the reasons we didn't spend too much time getting the perfect undervolt. Hopefully most people can get at least a similar-ish result in terms of fps/watt, and anyone who spends the time can get even better results.
Ohh I've been wondering about this play, let's see SSD queen have at it.
Gorgeous ❤
Yeah I power limit my 7900xt and I would need to load my saved profile at least 1x a day due to drivers crashing . nice job Amd
Them earrings though 👌👌👌👌
That is one huge card. Every time I see how big add-in cards have become, I feel old.
better not unbox a nvidia 4080 or heavens forbid a 4090 then
@@desertfish74 lol, I'd fossilize!
What driver version was used ?
23.9.1
23.9.2. went live around the time I posted this video.
I just think that 12Gb of VRAM vs 16GB is going to be even More Important moving forward. You can see it in games Now at 1440p and especially at 4k, even upscaled
hey i have ryzen 7 5800X3D and 550w psu seasonic gold i want to buy 7800xt should i change psu or not and what model of gpu you recommande ty
Assuming you don't run a lot of other hardware I expect it will hold up fine. I've ran a 2080 Ti off a 550 Watt Seasonic Focus PSU years ago for a giggle.
I mean you can give it a try at least, otherwise upgrade to a 650 or 750 w.
Those are strange twmperature numbers and I'm wondering if the undervolt affects sensor figures. The card uses 40% less power but GPU and RAM run slightly warmer.
Not really, notice how much quieter it is. 39 -> 32 dB(A) is a huge drop.
How was the coil whine? I just returned the 7900xt asus tuf oc because of the coil whine.
Didnt have coil whine with my card. Did with the 7900 xt tuf 😓
Better luck with different brand an option, or would you say stop looking for a 7900xt? nVidia more luck on coil whine? Bedankt!@@TechTesters