Please note that the RTX 3080 10G data in the 'A Plague Tale: Requiem' Ray Tracing graphs is incorrect. This will be addressed for the 7700 XT review which will be on the channel tomorrow. Sorry for any confusion those numbers caused.
hope you get well soon, Steve! great job on the hardwork! and great job to Tim for presenting these benchmarks for us. for some reason its refreshing to see you in these kinds of vids!
The thing eat up 170 watts more than a 4070 that cost about the same. In US it may not be a problem but in Europe that's 30-50 a year of energy bill to add.
@@eligraWould imagine that, similar to 7900 XT, we can get some more performance with some driver optimizations. At launch, the 7900 XT was very close to the 6950 XT with around 8-10% more performance. Now a couple of months in, we can see that the lead has increased to around 20%. If AMD is able to pull off some upper single or low double-digit performance with driver optimization, the gab with the 6950XT might close or shrink to single digit with a good amount of power savings.
This is very interesting. The 6800xt hasn't been available in the UK below £500, but the 7800XT is starting at £499, and should drift down a little eventually; especially if nvidia make some pricing moves, though I don't really expect them to do much TBH which is their perogative if they think that they can still shift the cards at higher prices.
I bought rx 6800 few years back for my son it was 850 in shop and I just bought rx 7800xt yesterday and that was 592.99 delivered am not sure we’re u lot get y prices from it’s ludicrous also may I state it’s the diversity in the prices even between new n second hand is stupid I am part of the problem seen as I am also buying them but when a gpu cost more than a games console you start to question why
Having multiple manufacturers benchmarks in your reviews is extremely useful. Not only does it save consumers time when researching price per performance, it helps to keep manufacturers competitive which is great for the industry.
That 3080 jumping all over the graphs is wild. Did you check the numbers? It's weird that in a plague tale RT 1080p the 3080 is in the lower field, while at 1440p it skyrocket to the top of the list. Just HOW???
I'm really happy I bought a RX 7900 XT; it was my very first high-end GPU. I've only owned the lowest tier before the 7900 XT and it is very impressive to someone who has never experienced a high-end GPU before.
I'm happy with mine too. I know I didn't get the best value buying it at Launch but I got a lot of time out of it before the better values were readily available.
Nice dude! I know that feeling. I went from a 960M laptop to an RTX 3080 desktop a few years ago. Was gaming at 1080P low settings on the laptop to 1440P ultra on the desktop. My mind was blown. The difference in Fidelity sharpness and fluidity with a high-end card is something to experience if you are coming from a low end system.
It feels like this would have been better positioned as a successor to the 6700 XT. I have a 5700 XT and the 7800 XT will probably be my upgrade when the price is right.
That's because it's what it really should've been called. The 7700xt. The 7900xtx is the successor to the 6900xt, the 7900xt is just a marked up in named *cough cough nvidia 4080 12 gb cough cough* 6800xt. The difference is everyone lost their shit when nvidia did it. When amd did it, no one said a word. It's clear if you look at the non existent performance jump. While the 7900xt feels like your usual generational leap compared to the 6800xt, as it should be since THAT'S the true successor to the 6800xt, not this bullshit 7"""800xt""".
AMD should have called this card 7800 non XT because it is obviously the successor to the 6800! The comparison to the 6800 non XT would have benefited it more than to the 6800XT!
Exactly, I can't believe they say that the 6800xt is "basically dead"??? After watching Gamers Nexus, I immediately went and purchased a brand new ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming for $539 It has almost 6900xt performance and looks great too. How is it that after 3 years, this is the best they can do?
Get better soon Steve! This certainly is an improvement over the rest of the current gen line up. It's basically just a 6800 XT again for the same price and a few new features, but I suppose it's better than the same thing for a higher price.
As greedy as Nvidia is, in retrospect the $600 200w 4070 doesn't seem bad value considering it came out 5 months ago. Wait 5 months to save $20 a month if people were waiting to get an upgrade like the 7800xt now. The 12gb definitely makes the 4070 a horrible value when I think about it. I guess it depends on people's value of their time and money. I'm bias when I think how absurdly long people have to wait for cheaper prices such as waiting 3 years to save $150 on the $650 6800xt that they could have made in 2 extra shifts. Definitely of course if people can't afford it, wait. For people who can afford it, it's a matter of deciding if it's worth upgrading to. Idk the gpu gen cycle price performance leap, but if the 1000s, maybe 3000s were the best value gen then that would explain why 2000 and 4000 value are bad in comparison.
@@gpsgps-er1qu4000 was too big of a generational leap for Nvidia to let slide, since it was a crappy Samsung node to tsmc's best at the time, so they pushed some dies onto higher product names and rtx 2000 was a bit of a demo on software and tensor cores
I'm actually really excited about this card. I bought a 4070 in June because my old GTX 1080 died, but this is the card I would've bought if it had been released. Don't get me wrong: I'm not unhappy with my 4070, but this thing is more raster performance, more VRAM, and $100 cheaper for just 60W more (and apparently lower idle draw-- which is more applicable to me these days anyway since I don't actually get time to play games that often anymore). IMO if you're that person who is running a 1440p display and sitting on an obsolescent GPU from two or three generations ago like I was, this is absolutely the card to buy. The generational performance uplift may not be huge, but it's not like 6700/6800 series performance was bad, and the new one brings some modern features to the table, draws less power, and you can buy it new for a good price. I wouldn't bin a 6800 and replace it with this, but for everyone on older cards the 7800 XT is a great opportunity. Just my two cents.
The problem AMD is having is none of their modern features are exciting enough like some of Nvidia's are. Anti lag sounds gimmicky and mostly just useful for esports players (even Nvidia's version. I don't care much for Reflex too) and AV1 encoding? Well if your a streamer/ytber sure. But 1% of GPU buyers are that if that even. Frame gen? Don't much care for that again be it from Nvidia or AMD... BUT love it or hate it RT is indeed revolutionary in some scenarios and so is the idea of RTX studio that allows modding of older games and implementation of full Path Tracing into them. Then there's the new DLSS 3.5 denoiser thingy that improves the RT reflections. RTX voice sounded amazing on paper too. If they really want to kick Nvidia in the balls, AMD needs to expand its software team...
id always go for the 4070 over this because of ray tracing and dlss. This card also has no place in the modern market not because of nivida but because the 6800 xt is cheaper than this card currently and out performs it in many situations lol. They are competing with them self more than anyone with this release
@@NatrajChaturvedi See I'm in the opposite camp: I play multiplayer (competitive) games, so I don't give a single fuck about RT because RT hurts performance substantially even on Nvidia cards, and mainstream cards in general don't have the performance to use RT without leaning on other features like upscaling and frame generation, which I also refuse to use. RT is fine if you own a 4090 or if you don't care about image quality and input lag, but if you play multiplayer games you probably don't want to be enabling any of those things unless you're on the halo card. Is the encoding thing really not in high demand? I don't stream personally, but it seems like everyone and their dog is trying to "break into streaming" these days... I would think it's a pretty marketable feature.
@@slayerr4365 I don't think the 6800 XT is widely available at a substantially cheaper price (maybe a few bucks off?), and even if it is, that situation probably won't last long. I'm sure AMD has been holding back on this launch until most of that stock cleared, so I doubt there's too many 6800 cards remaining at this point. As far as RT-- read my above reply: I think there's a decent portion of the market that plays PvP games who will have no interest in RT or the framerate-boosting technologies because they all have downsides for competitive play. For any kind of competitive game all we really care about is raster performance for getting the highest possible framerates and lowest input latency. The 7800 XT seems to smash the 4070 in raster a majority of the time: 15-30% is a substantial lead, let alone coming from a card that's $100 cheaper than the competition. That said, if you play single player or non-competitive titles, the 4070 does have a use-case that may be worth tolerating the extra $100 and VRAM deficiency of the 4070. It just depends what you're going to do with your card.
If you consider that there's been higher than normal inflation in the last three years, and if you also consider what the launch MSRP pricing was for the 6800 XT and the 6700 XT, then the 7800 XT is actually providing a rather significant improvement in value per dollar. 500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD. The 6700 XT was probably originally planned to launch at closer to 440 USD, and maybe even less, but the 7800 XT is still about 43% faster, with 33% more Vram, more memory bandwidth, and various other new features and improvements which come with the new architecture as well, so the 7800 XT would still be a decent improvement in value over the 6700 XT, even if it had launched with an MSRP closer to 400 USD in early 2021. Against the 6800 XT's launch MSRP of 650 USD, the 7800 XT offers about a 50% improvement in value per dollar, if you properly account for inflation. 500 USD today is also equivalent to about 418 USD back in 2019, when the 5700 XT launched at 400 USD, and was considered a great value at that price. The 7800 XT is roughly 80-90% faster than the 5700 XT, but also has double the Vram capacity.
great video as usual. so won't be changing my 6800 XT for a while. I was afraid that it might be a bad move bying it back in April, seeing that the 7800Xt was coming out during the year. But I have been reassured :).
@@speedtree yep, I think I will watch what comes out next year, 8800xt?? Or the generation after that, and see what extra performance comes out of it plus what the future games will be demanding.
It would be nice if new cards would also be compared to older cards. I'm personally not upgrading every new generation, so I'm still using my RX 5700 XT, but there aren't allot of reviewers going back to that generation or older. In fact, I know a few people who are still using Nvidia 1000 cards.
I also have a RX 5700XT. Here is my situation. Prices and availability of used RDNA2 in my country is bad. Stores also have not been selling high end RDNA2 for a year and a half. Recenty a new RX 6800 from Biostar costs $900... My case is from 2016 with 32 cm space for GPUs, most RDNA2 GPUs will not fit and the reference models are not priced decently. Sapphire has models with only 2 fans and less than 30 cm, those will fit nicely in my case, thus saving me around $65 or more on a new mid tower case and a Saturday project. Importing cases is not worth it, too expensive.
@@ronnie3626 I only switched from a GTX 660 last year. Everyone is on their own update cycle, the number of people who upgrade every year is actually a pretty small proportion (but they make up a much larger proportion of viewers of channels such as this). It all depends on the games they play, what they consider "acceptable performance", and budget
Thanks you so much I appreciate your in depth reviews, I hope Steve gets better soon. 7800xt looks like a good value now and when fsr3 comes out it should be an even better value imo.
This makes me so pissed what NVIDIA did to the 3070 Ti limiting it to 8GB, especially having to pay more because of shortages during the pandemic/mining craze. It should be doing 6800 XT levels, especially RT. 10GB at least would have done it. 10GB 3070, 12GB 3080, that is what it should have been. This is why console just seems more logical. I'm probably going for a 7900 XT or XTX, both cheaper that what I paid for my 3070 Ti.
amazing that 6800XT was 3070 competitor and that now it equals a 3080. I also regret going with nvidia, but had no choice back then. 0 cards were available, I picked what I could.
Hope Steve is able to take some time to get better. Don’t worry guys, we’ll be here once you’re able to get better and back to it. Nothing is worth bargaining your health over. Love the HUB team
Not rly idk why HUB 7800xt is boosting only 2000-2100mhz and other reviewers shows 2550-2600mhz and +5/7% more perf. then hub results i think steve is to sick and he did some mistakes ? Check daniel owens results its litteraly 8-10% faster then 6800xt (red devil) vs 7800xt(red devil)
Get well soon, Steve. Amazing work getting this review and the Starfield content out, but as a long-time viewer, I hope that you're not burning the candle at both ends. Content is just content. You''ve built a loyal following who'll show up for your videos, even if they are released a week late. Please don't drive yourself into the ground, just to meet an embargo. We can only redline our bodies for so long without serious consequences. Hope you can take some time to rest and recuperate
As a lifelong PC gamer (since the 90's as a kid) who now thinks consoles are the overall better choice in this day and age, I would advice not to but hey you may have your specific use case or some reason... so go for it man.
BTW my gut feeling is that MS, Sony will do a X/Pro console version this generation too. Only they will be marketted for Raytracing performance and upscaling capabilities not 8k res. Zen5 and RDNA4 might make them feasible. I'd personally buy those.
@@NatrajChaturvedi The PS5 has about the same graphics horsepower as the 6700XT (which I currently own) and the graphics menu in console games is always completely handicapped. I'd rather take reduced settings over smeary/sizzling upscaled settings. At 1440p native I can get 80-90FPS in any recent game (sans Starfield apparently) with mixed settings that look better and feel more responsive than a console. That some of the recent console releases have the audacity to render at 720p and upscale that to 4k in the 60FPS mode is a crime.
Retail prices at launch are actually higher than the 4070 here in Oz, although it's nice to see them available already. I hope it doesn't stay that way. The last of the 6800s and 6800 XTs seem to have gone, but $879AUD for the PowerColor Radeon RX 7800 XT Hellhound OC 16GB (cheapest I see) is $30 more than the last 6800 XT was going for (pccasegear) and about the same as your entry level Inno3D or PNY 4070 at $889 ($883 for the PNY at MSY WA) whereas the ASUS TUF variant of the 7800 XT at $969 is $10 more than the Asus Dual OC version of the 4070. Hopefully they come down in the near future. Sad that this stagnation is the best value available from this generation across all brands.
God that’s terrible AU pricing lol. I get why content creators don’t talk about other markets but this just becomes a wait for a sale situation for Australians yet again
The ASRock steel legend one is backordered on Newegg and pretty much the only choice there now, but I didn't trust my odds with them actually fulfilling that order.
Depends, I would suggest those that purchased a 3080 10GB nearly 3 years ago have had a slightly better run than those that purchased a 6800XT due to better RT and DLSS. Only if you planned to hold onto the card another 2-3 years the 6800XT ftw, but I would still prefer a 3080 today. The 8GB cards are an entirely different discussion, they seemed dodgy from the start as consoles can spare up to around 10GB of shared memory for VRAM after the OS, subsystem and game data in memory.
Nvidia cards have features that may be more important for some people. Personally because DLSS is just so much better than FSR, until AMD improves their upscaler I won't consider an AMD card.
for the price & perf I will mainly look the card who has the best thermals (it will last longer), and best power consumption, it saves you money at the end of the day.
Only thing that doesn’t completely disappoint is the price. But unfortunately this good pricing won’t make it to Europe. The 3% performance jump is embarrassing tho. No way I am going to buy this over the 6950xt which is @620€. 500$ in the US means at least 580€ in Europe.
The pricing should make its way to Europe, or at least close to it, with maybe a little bit more mark-up, plus the standard taxes. US (and Canadian) pricing never includes taxes, and sales taxes can vary a lot by state or province.
Thanks for the effort to both of you and quick recovery to the patient! So, the generational leap for RDNA3 vs RDNA2 keeps being ~50% or more (N31 and N32 vs N21 and N22). And prices aren't bad at all nowadays.
@@andyyy5855You compare names (marketing=non-objective by definition) and I compare die-sizes between generations. That is the generational leap in architecture. Also, pricing fluctuates and 6800XT stock is being depleted.
I was able to get a 6800 XT Merc 319 on sale a month ago for $500 USD. Happy to see the performance is still on par with the 7800 XT, as I was expecting it to be at least 20% faster. 🤔
As someone still with a rx 570 8GB (that works overall fine for me) and wanting a new card, I think I'll wait to see what Battlemage does to the market overall. I'd love something new now, but I think we can get even better prices on current gen hardware if Battlemage is up to stuff at launch. It's a bit away, yes, but if my hardware holds up until then, I'll be okay.
I tested an RX 6800 XT a couple of years ago and moved on to an NVIDIA card to test that out and see what all the hype was about. It turns out the AMD card was actually really impressive value. I've been looking for a way to find my way back to at least owning an AMD card so I picked up the RX 7800 XT this morning.
Good choice! The 7800xt will be known in the coming years as the Clear best value card from this generation of Gpu's. There really isn't a close second. If you even remotely care about Starfield, getting a free copy of it is a nice bonus as well. Ofcourse the 7800xt having the best performance for Starfield in terms of price to performance (By a Mile according to Steve from Gamer's Nexus), is the icing on the cake. It even easily beats the overpriced 4070ti 12gb at $800 in Starfield..
@@N0N0111 I decided on the reference design AMD RX 7800 XT. I was looking for something a bit more compact for an SFX build otherwise I might have gone with the PowerColor Red Devil RX 7800 XT Limited or Sapphire NITRO + RX 7800 XT. Both of those cards have amazing designs IMO with better thermals and noise levels. I wanted as compact as possible though so I'm happy with the reference model.
One of the big differences that might go into consideration is the use of latest Navi and encoder those into little bit of editing or rendering work. Plus some features announced by amd won't be releasing on old gpus
Cheapest in Denmark right now, is approximately 620 USD, availability expected around 23 sep. Not sure what to say, its just sad at this point.. wait for next gen? :( Edit: You can get a new 6800 XT for the exact same price point.
That is with tax yes. 25% tax = about $500. Really go Nvidia or just wait on the AMDiscount. It might even happen that AMDiscount appers on Nvidia cards soon enough. If RX 6000 truly starts to sell out we might get discounts for blackfirday or Q1 2024 on this Navi32 stuff. Or just wait for more horrible GPU launches. At best Nvidia are going to fix RTX 4000 and launch the same cards but this time with enough vram for the price.
As always Steve...your efforts here are greatly appreciated by us all. Get well soon. The 7800 XT is now a compelling choice for my next GPU purchase. 🤔
This guy gets it, plus it has those AI accelerators built in which I'm sure will give this card a decent boost whenever FSR3 is released. I'll be replacing my 6700 XT with a Sapphire Nitro+ model soon!
I don't think it's ever going to "dominate" the 6800 XT. It has pulled a little bit further ahead in some newer games, and will likely pull a bit further ahead over time, but I don't think it's ever going to perform that much differently. Maybe some day it will support higher quality upscaling, or some other feature that the 6800 XT doesn't support, but as far as I can tell, the architecture of RDNA3 doesn't seem to be all that much different than RDNA2.
While I'm probably going to coast another year on my 3070, it's nice to see some sanity has creeped back into the GPU market. Hopefully next year there's some progress in both performance _and_ price so that I can have a real tangible upgrade in this middle tier.
Nobody will buy 3070s with it's dismal 8 GB VRAM in the future except at bargain bin prices. Which is why I sold mine while it still held most of its value, slept on gaming for a while then upgraded within the same gen from the used market for a minimal increase in investment
@ij6708 You need to realise the 3070 is almost 3 years old now. When it came out, 8 GB vram wasn't too bad. I wouldn't go out and buy one now but the latest gpu's don't offer me enough of an upgrade to rush out and buy one.
@@ij6708you are wrong. There are TONS of 8GB Cards out there even for years to come. Game developers NEED to optimize their Games for 8GB cards, even in the future (4060, 4060ti, 4050, 3070, 3070ti, 3060ti, 3050, RX 6600, RX 6600XT, RX 6650XT, RX 7600, RX 5700XT, RX 580, Intel Arc A750, Arc A770, RTX 2070, RTX 2070 ti, RTX 2080)
@@shavy9655 I wish I was wrong but the trend has already been set. Optimizing for 8 GB nowadays equals a visual downgrade. Look at Starfield they stayed within a 8 GB VRAM buffer but as a result the game looks dated with low res textures present throughout the environment
I noticed there are two 7800 XTs on the "final thoughts" chart, around the 22:18 timestamp. It's probably not too relevant, but I thought I'd point it out!
I may use it in my Lan PC. Not sure I am pretty happy with my 6750xt Elite I have in my main rig. But I am hoping the release of this will drop the prices for the other gpus a bit.
If you just learn to accept that there are other settings than Ultra then you'll be good for 1440p for a heck of a lot longer than 3 years. I'm on 1440p with a 6700XT and I still hit 80-90FPS in every game without upscaling by tweaking settings. I'm also eyeballing an XTX though, as I think RT has become more than just the usual "Nvidia fucked titles". The RT numbers in UE5 games look a lot more digestible as Lumen doesn't just cast millions of rays in every random direction, but actually seems to be doing something useful with the ray's it does cast.
@@andersjjensen well, starfield with my GPU and the 5800x3D I have is already falling behind at NOT ultra settings. At 1440p. Hopefully it will get better, but it is likely a sign of things to come :)
@@smarouchoc7300 Starfield, like Cyberpunk, is broken. There is absolutely no reason the GPU should be taxed this hard when other games can make just as pretty graphics at 50-60% the compute budget. The old mantra "Your GPU doesn't get slower. The settings will just be called something different" mantra seem to have gone more and more out the window these days. And if game developers expect us to chuck thousands of dollars at new hardware every 2-3 years to play their games I have the notion that they'll end up being very disappointed....
Glad I grabbed the XFX Merc 6950xt but I've got a funny feeling we'll only see the new series get alot better with upcoming drivers of fsr3 and fluid frame's
i mean as owner of 6800 XT, this is just rebrand with slighly lower power consumption and better codec support what concerning me are the prices outside of US, in Europe prices of 7800 XT and 4070 dont seems much different
@@storage-space4927Yes and others are suffering because they print money to combat inflation which solves their inflation but increases inflation in every other country cause we have to pay for it.
The 7800 XT naming is dumb. It's a 6700 XT successor, because it's using a mid-sized GPU, and its launching at a similar MSRP that the 6700 XT launched at. 500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD, and the 7800 XT is about 43% faster than the 6700 XT. It's nothing new for previous gen graphics cards to be heavily discounted in price before many of the next gen cards replace them, and for them to have equal or better performance per dollar at those prices, yet many people are arguing things like "the 7800 XT offers little to no improvement in value per dollar over the previous generation", as if AMD is supposed to give us a major improvement in value per dollar over CURRENT pricing for the already heavily discounted 6800 XT (and other various heavily discounted 6000 series cards). Do you need to like the price of the 7800 XT? No. It sucks that average incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, and you could argue that AMD does share some degree of blame for that, though certainly not most of the blame. If 500 is still too expensive for you, then that sucks, because the 7700 XT is not worth considering at current pricing (even though it is fairly competitive against Nvidia alternatives). The 6700 XT is currently a potentially very good option at 330 USD, but stock will probably mostly run out long before the next generation comes out, and the 7700 XT is simply too close in manufacturing cost to the 7800 XT for AMD to ever want to give us a genuinely good deal on them. AMD definitely left a big gap between the 7600 (which is itself still over-priced at most retailers), and the 7800 XT, basically forcing people to buy previous gen, or used cards, if they want a good value lower-mid-range or upper-low-end graphics card, and Nvidia has also basically done the same thing, by offering poor value for everything other than the RTX 4070 (and the 4090 is arguably a good value as well, at least as far as ultra high-end cards go, but it's simply not going to be worth buying for the vast majority of gamers).
I currently have a 2060 super and I want to upgrade next year. I’ve never owned an AMD gpu before but it looks like the 7800 xt will be the way to go! Amazing results and double the vram 🙂
In Germany 459€ for a 6800 non-XT is still a great deal but the new options of the RX 7800XT / 7700XT are also very attractive. It is a good time for a hardware upgrade
I was considering trading my RTX 3080 10GB up for the 7800XT but after seeing the benchmarks, the 3080 still might be slightly better. At this point I'm waiting till next gen or if the 7900XTX eventually drops to like $600, I'll upgrade to that.
My performance guesses after seeing the 7900 GRE review was pretty accurate and now am even more happy with the XFX Merc 6800XT i got for cheap a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah looks like this architecture really needs all the bandwith it can get, from both memory and infinity cache. 7900GRE is barely faster despite having 33% more compute units, with the same L3 cache and memory bus as 7800XT. I would have liked to see the 7900GRE with five active MCDs and 18 GB of VRAM with 288 bit bus and 80 MB of infinity cache it probably would have slotted more evenly between 7800XT and 7900XT
@@andersjjensen It's just around 100 Mhz lower than the 7900XT for AMD reference design, and it was much more performant, I dont think those couple hundred Mhz would explain the performance difference compared to the bandwith to cores ratio.
I'm looking to upgrade my 3070 to either a 7800xt or 7900xt mainly due to the limited vram on the 3070 (I play at 1440p). I honestly can't decide if it would be better to get a 7900xt for a meaningful rasterization performance increase, or if I should get a 7800xt and upgrade my 5600x sooner than planned. I'm not really comfortable getting a GPU with 12gb of vram because I want it to last for a while, so the 4070 doesn't really make much sense for me.
My Advice would be to get a Cpu upgrade first to the 5800x3d, or Even to Am5 for the 7700 or 7800x3d (but of course that requires more money). So A Cpu upgrade is a Better Option. Then save up and wait until like end of the Year and maybe hopefully a few GPUs would be Discounted or even get a Used 4080 or 4090 or 7900xtx something like that.
I'd keep the 3070 or get 7900xt/4070Ti unless you like burning money on a small performance increase. A lot of games coming out are poorly optimized and have stutter (traversal stutter, bad frame pacing) regardless of VRAM. Turn your textures down 1 notch and relax, this generation of GPU's is just really poorly priced with barely any performance increase.
Ive bought used 3070ti as placeholder in January and was looking into changing it into 7800xt once its out, but I was expecting atleast 10% better perf then 6800XT. Even though I want to have more vram on card as I'm also been playing in 1440p for years now, I'm a little bit on the fence with this one - seeing the results I'm leaning towards waiting for next gen or until I feel like I must have these extra 8gb.
Want to retire my GTX 1070 but I'm a bit disappointed by the performance of the 7800xt. Atleast 20% uplift would've been nice I guess? Would be cool to see comparisons to the Nvidia 1000 series in future benchmarks!
I find your review very detailed and informative as always. Let me point out, however, that, although many reviewers say 7800 XT costs $100 less than 4070 based on MSRP, this MSRP difference seems to be reflected in street prices only in the U.S. and perhaps Canada. I checked prices of these two at price-tracking sites in the U.K., EU, Australia, and Japan. The price differences between 4070 and 7800 XT are as follows in those different regions: $75 in the U.K. and the Netherland, $50 in Austria, France and Germany ($50 in the EU as a whole), less than $2.5 in Australia (!), and -$5.5, which means 4070 is less expensive, in Japan.
I would recommend rechecking the Plague tale ray tracing results. The 3080 results look abit fishy by first losing to the 6800xt, then beating the 4070ti. Great review overall though!
Honestly here is my biggest issue with the latest release. Everything is greater than a 2 slot design. Every 7700XT and 7800XT launched today is a 2.5 slot card which means it wont work in any of my cases. To get a dual slot card in the recent generation I have to go with a 7600 which is kinda low end and only has 8GB of VRAM. It just isn't a worthwhile upgrad from my 5700XT. I could go team green but I would again be stuck with 8GB of VRAM unless I was willing to pay stupid pricing for a 16TB 4060TI. Is it really too hard to design dual slot cards anymore?
With the prices I'm seeing, the 7900XT seems to scale linearly in terms of price/performance, or maybe even a tad better, so my impression is that again we got no good value; unless someone is looking for a card specifically in this price bracket.
i just picked up a 6950xt; it seemed like the best performance to price for that price point compared to what i had before and what is available on both red and green side + seeing how im running an amd cpu, i could use the smart memory access aswell, which i can't with an nvidia card 🤔
Idk why but the Hardware Unboxed guys and the Digital Foundry guys are like ASMR for me - calming and comforting, evidence driven and investigative. I guess I want to say 'Thank you' to the Hardware Unboxed team for making our lives... Eeeee... Calmer? 😂
I have a 1070 I waited but nothing compelling in this gen and before so I still wait for next gen. Currently there is no game that is worth and need(in my opinion) to upgrade your graphics card. I am interested to see what will amd do with his free run on next year when allegedly nvidia will skip that. I think nvidia currently and next year will hammer again something innovative and it takes 1 more year to be up to standard if the year skip is true.
@@FSGoingStraight More like Borefield or Failfield. Those who upgrade graphics card for Starfield and its not a business investment they are delusional.
I'm confused. At 12:35 the RTX 3080 is almost at the bottom at 1080p (Ray Tracing), but suddenly beats the 4070ti in both 1440p and 4k? Is this the game messing up or is the data wrong?
I noticed that as well and thought the 1080p result for Plague Tale RT can't be correct. Better recheck that Steve or you may have Steve gunning for you, haha.
I came here to say the same thing. That data looks bugged (or the game itself wigged out) which is unfortunate as it is especially relevant to me... (I currently have a 3080 10GB)
Maybe that is what happens when you cut the bus with from 320bit to 192bit. RTX 4070Ti is 12GB. And the RTX 3080 is what 10 or 12GB? I mean it says 10GB on the testing. Yet the bus with is 33% cut for the 4070Ti. Like remember we are talking about a 80 class vs the un launched 4080 12GB. But yea it might be the testing that is wrong. Imagine that. But really it is believable due to what RTX 3000/4000 has turned out to be. Like honestly it is just funny how at 1080p the 3080 performance is reported to be worse then in 1440p. Maybe it is intentional? Since that is just to silly. 4K 3080 10gb! Leeetsgoo!
This is a beast and a great upgrade. The 7800 XT's performance is great, especially the OC versions. If you have a CPU that cannot handle a 7900 XT or 7900 XTX, the 7800 XT will give you great experience, even in 2k. I was about to get it to pair with 5820K, but I decided to go for a 7800x3d and the XTX instead, but I was very close to go for this and have a more than decent experience.
This will be a more compelling deal when 7800XTs hit the used market, where I’d imagine they will be valued closer to $350-low $400s. Currently, I’ve been seeing used 6900XTs going for $470-$520 so if your PSU permits and need a gpu now, that will provide more value compared to this card new.
Thank the Lord something happened in positive light this generation. So many people needed a good product this gen, the entire diy segment needed something to hold their hobby together.
The biggest thing that the 7800xt has over the 6800xt is that it has a 2 slot 267 mm model that fits smaller builds. Previously, you had to drop to a 6750xt for this size category.
Luckily for me, it's an easy choice between the 6800XT and 7800XT as the 7800XT Hellhound is only a little over 100 NOK (10USD) more than the 6800XT. Time to build my first PC in many many years!
7800XT with Hyper-RX is going to speak for itself. tested a couple of games on my 7900XTX and its hella good. Fluid motion when it releases its going to give these cards a decent jump Hyper-RX right now alone is going to do wonders for both the 7700XT and 7800XT. Wonder if Nvidia is going to release DLSS on a driver level.
I think this is a decent card if you were coming from more than 1 gen back. pricing is sane for this generation. When you look at the makeup its not a bad little card but really ought to have been called a 7800 imo. Or 7700 xt
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Please note that the RTX 3080 10G data in the 'A Plague Tale: Requiem' Ray Tracing graphs is incorrect. This will be addressed for the 7700 XT review which will be on the channel tomorrow. Sorry for any confusion those numbers caused.
Gamers Nexus will address it, don't worry.
No worries, nice work guys! Finally high end RDNA GPUs for my region other than a 7900 XT and 7900 XTX.
You forgot to pin this comment (at least by the time I read it).
@andersjjensen It has always been pinned. Your browser might have been playing up. I'll let it slide though because I'm a nice guy.
It shouldve been named RX7800 without the XT
hope you get well soon, Steve! great job on the hardwork! and great job to Tim for presenting these benchmarks for us. for some reason its refreshing to see you in these kinds of vids!
I'm a bit surprised how well the 6950 XT still holds up. Especially when I remember that you could get one for roughly 600-650 USD at one point.
Got my 6950 xt back in April for $600 , absolutely love it. Was a huge upgrade from my old 3070 ti that was constantly chugging from low vram.
It doesn't really 'hold up' per se. It's just that current generation offerings are bad beyond description.
the 6800XT only looks 4-5% slower and cost the same or less at this point also.
The thing eat up 170 watts more than a 4070 that cost about the same.
In US it may not be a problem but in Europe that's 30-50 a year of energy bill to add.
@@eligraWould imagine that, similar to 7900 XT, we can get some more performance with some driver optimizations. At launch, the 7900 XT was very close to the 6950 XT with around 8-10% more performance. Now a couple of months in, we can see that the lead has increased to around 20%. If AMD is able to pull off some upper single or low double-digit performance with driver optimization, the gab with the 6950XT might close or shrink to single digit with a good amount of power savings.
This is very interesting. The 6800xt hasn't been available in the UK below £500, but the 7800XT is starting at £499, and should drift down a little eventually; especially if nvidia make some pricing moves, though I don't really expect them to do much TBH which is their perogative if they think that they can still shift the cards at higher prices.
Begs the question tho will they drop the 7900 cards from £800 because the £300 difference is quite severe
@@xCHEESEandHAMx not until late next year or 2025 in all likelihood
The 7000 series has much better availability in the UK meaning easier to find a deal.
I bought rx 6800 few years back for my son it was 850 in shop and I just bought rx 7800xt yesterday and that was 592.99 delivered am not sure we’re u lot get y prices from it’s ludicrous also may I state it’s the diversity in the prices even between new n second hand is stupid I am part of the problem seen as I am also buying them but when a gpu cost more than a games console you start to question why
@@AndrewDuncan-f5p proof or it didn't happen; unless you're talking ex vat. Current lowest I can see and have seen is still north of £700
Having multiple manufacturers benchmarks in your reviews is extremely useful. Not only does it save consumers time when researching price per performance, it helps to keep manufacturers competitive which is great for the industry.
Steve is insane! All these benchmarks & he has been sick the whole time ~ #Respect
with no errors and accurate, one person vs linus whole lab
@@awepizzadon't forget, they do New Components, New Test, every time😂
"Thanks Steve."
@@ripunjoyk1706 really? How come? Better notify them
@@awepizzacaine down under lasts longer because injecting it is like doing it while doing a handstand xd
Thank you Steve for all the rigorous work despite being ill, and thank you Tim for the presentation!
That 3080 jumping all over the graphs is wild.
Did you check the numbers? It's weird that in a plague tale RT 1080p the 3080 is in the lower field, while at 1440p it skyrocket to the top of the list. Just HOW???
This is a good point, that's a rather strange result to go from under 60 at 1080p to over 80 at 1440p.
Actually makes no sense, hope they notice this comment.
RTX 3080 be like: Nah I don`t like 1080p. xD
another ltt situation?
My guess is the results were mistakenly swapped. 1440p RT FPS was shown on the 1080p chart and 1080p was shown on the 1440p chart.
I'm really happy I bought a RX 7900 XT; it was my very first high-end GPU. I've only owned the lowest tier before the 7900 XT and it is very impressive to someone who has never experienced a high-end GPU before.
I'm happy with mine too. I know I didn't get the best value buying it at Launch but I got a lot of time out of it before the better values were readily available.
Did you get a 1440p or 4k monitor for it? I got a 6700xt and would love to upgrade.
and its about to get even better with the hypr rx and fsr 3 launching soon
Nice dude! I know that feeling. I went from a 960M laptop to an RTX 3080 desktop a few years ago. Was gaming at 1080P low settings on the laptop to 1440P ultra on the desktop. My mind was blown. The difference in Fidelity sharpness and fluidity with a high-end card is something to experience if you are coming from a low end system.
How much did you get it for?
Outstanding work Steve, as usual. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
It feels like this would have been better positioned as a successor to the 6700 XT. I have a 5700 XT and the 7800 XT will probably be my upgrade when the price is right.
Could get a used 6800xt and enjoy the price and performance now
@@JoeHardmanmeh, I don't buy used. I like that new graphics card smell 😂
@@redhawkmillenium you can still get em new
it is at the same msrp as 6700xt. its only the name thats diff
That's because it's what it really should've been called. The 7700xt. The 7900xtx is the successor to the 6900xt, the 7900xt is just a marked up in named *cough cough nvidia 4080 12 gb cough cough* 6800xt.
The difference is everyone lost their shit when nvidia did it. When amd did it, no one said a word. It's clear if you look at the non existent performance jump. While the 7900xt feels like your usual generational leap compared to the 6800xt, as it should be since THAT'S the true successor to the 6800xt, not this bullshit 7"""800xt""".
AMD should have called this card 7800 non XT because it is obviously the successor to the 6800! The comparison to the 6800 non XT would have benefited it more than to the 6800XT!
Amd even said its the successor to the 6800
Nah, 7700 XT and price it at $429 (edit: while the current 7700 XT should have been the non-XT and priced at $359)
Nah it's best to compare it to whatever you can buy for a similar price.
@@defeqel6537y’all are delusional if you believe a next gen product should have 2/3 of the last gens msrp with better performance
@@SweatyFeetGirl The they should call it 7800 non xt.....
Awesome, I now have absolutely zero regrets buying an ex mining 6800 xt for equivalent $390 usd months ago. 2nd hand market is where it's at.
Same. Got me a $400 RTX 3080 in February after a miner sold it. I repasted it and it has given me zero issues.
Exactly november of last year got a 5700 xt for 160$ usd lol
Second hand is great but just to be safe better off not buying a mining card.
At the very least, fans will fail early since it was running constantly
Exactly, I can't believe they say that the 6800xt is "basically dead"??? After watching Gamers Nexus, I immediately went and purchased a brand new ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming for $539 It has almost 6900xt performance and looks great too. How is it that after 3 years, this is the best they can do?
@@handyman1957 The 6800xt is dead at that price. The 7800xt is cheaper, faster, and more power efficient.
Get better soon Steve! This certainly is an improvement over the rest of the current gen line up. It's basically just a 6800 XT again for the same price and a few new features, but I suppose it's better than the same thing for a higher price.
As greedy as Nvidia is, in retrospect the $600 200w 4070 doesn't seem bad value considering it came out 5 months ago. Wait 5 months to save $20 a month if people were waiting to get an upgrade like the 7800xt now. The 12gb definitely makes the 4070 a horrible value when I think about it. I guess it depends on people's value of their time and money.
I'm bias when I think how absurdly long people have to wait for cheaper prices such as waiting 3 years to save $150 on the $650 6800xt that they could have made in 2 extra shifts. Definitely of course if people can't afford it, wait. For people who can afford it, it's a matter of deciding if it's worth upgrading to.
Idk the gpu gen cycle price performance leap, but if the 1000s, maybe 3000s were the best value gen then that would explain why 2000 and 4000 value are bad in comparison.
@@gpsgps-er1qu4000 was too big of a generational leap for Nvidia to let slide, since it was a crappy Samsung node to tsmc's best at the time, so they pushed some dies onto higher product names and rtx 2000 was a bit of a demo on software and tensor cores
I'm actually really excited about this card. I bought a 4070 in June because my old GTX 1080 died, but this is the card I would've bought if it had been released. Don't get me wrong: I'm not unhappy with my 4070, but this thing is more raster performance, more VRAM, and $100 cheaper for just 60W more (and apparently lower idle draw-- which is more applicable to me these days anyway since I don't actually get time to play games that often anymore). IMO if you're that person who is running a 1440p display and sitting on an obsolescent GPU from two or three generations ago like I was, this is absolutely the card to buy. The generational performance uplift may not be huge, but it's not like 6700/6800 series performance was bad, and the new one brings some modern features to the table, draws less power, and you can buy it new for a good price. I wouldn't bin a 6800 and replace it with this, but for everyone on older cards the 7800 XT is a great opportunity. Just my two cents.
The problem AMD is having is none of their modern features are exciting enough like some of Nvidia's are. Anti lag sounds gimmicky and mostly just useful for esports players (even Nvidia's version. I don't care much for Reflex too) and AV1 encoding? Well if your a streamer/ytber sure. But 1% of GPU buyers are that if that even. Frame gen? Don't much care for that again be it from Nvidia or AMD...
BUT love it or hate it RT is indeed revolutionary in some scenarios and so is the idea of RTX studio that allows modding of older games and implementation of full Path Tracing into them. Then there's the new DLSS 3.5 denoiser thingy that improves the RT reflections. RTX voice sounded amazing on paper too. If they really want to kick Nvidia in the balls, AMD needs to expand its software team...
id always go for the 4070 over this because of ray tracing and dlss. This card also has no place in the modern market not because of nivida but because the 6800 xt is cheaper than this card currently and out performs it in many situations lol. They are competing with them self more than anyone with this release
@@NatrajChaturvedi See I'm in the opposite camp: I play multiplayer (competitive) games, so I don't give a single fuck about RT because RT hurts performance substantially even on Nvidia cards, and mainstream cards in general don't have the performance to use RT without leaning on other features like upscaling and frame generation, which I also refuse to use. RT is fine if you own a 4090 or if you don't care about image quality and input lag, but if you play multiplayer games you probably don't want to be enabling any of those things unless you're on the halo card.
Is the encoding thing really not in high demand? I don't stream personally, but it seems like everyone and their dog is trying to "break into streaming" these days... I would think it's a pretty marketable feature.
@@slayerr4365 I don't think the 6800 XT is widely available at a substantially cheaper price (maybe a few bucks off?), and even if it is, that situation probably won't last long. I'm sure AMD has been holding back on this launch until most of that stock cleared, so I doubt there's too many 6800 cards remaining at this point.
As far as RT-- read my above reply: I think there's a decent portion of the market that plays PvP games who will have no interest in RT or the framerate-boosting technologies because they all have downsides for competitive play. For any kind of competitive game all we really care about is raster performance for getting the highest possible framerates and lowest input latency. The 7800 XT seems to smash the 4070 in raster a majority of the time: 15-30% is a substantial lead, let alone coming from a card that's $100 cheaper than the competition.
That said, if you play single player or non-competitive titles, the 4070 does have a use-case that may be worth tolerating the extra $100 and VRAM deficiency of the 4070. It just depends what you're going to do with your card.
If you consider that there's been higher than normal inflation in the last three years, and if you also consider what the launch MSRP pricing was for the 6800 XT and the 6700 XT, then the 7800 XT is actually providing a rather significant improvement in value per dollar.
500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD. The 6700 XT was probably originally planned to launch at closer to 440 USD, and maybe even less, but the 7800 XT is still about 43% faster, with 33% more Vram, more memory bandwidth, and various other new features and improvements which come with the new architecture as well, so the 7800 XT would still be a decent improvement in value over the 6700 XT, even if it had launched with an MSRP closer to 400 USD in early 2021.
Against the 6800 XT's launch MSRP of 650 USD, the 7800 XT offers about a 50% improvement in value per dollar, if you properly account for inflation.
500 USD today is also equivalent to about 418 USD back in 2019, when the 5700 XT launched at 400 USD, and was considered a great value at that price. The 7800 XT is roughly 80-90% faster than the 5700 XT, but also has double the Vram capacity.
great video as usual. so won't be changing my 6800 XT for a while. I was afraid that it might be a bad move bying it back in April, seeing that the 7800Xt was coming out during the year. But I have been reassured :).
Price will probably drop fast now though
6800XT holds up very well in terms of price and performance compared to the 3080/4070/7800XT.
@@speedtree yep, I think I will watch what comes out next year, 8800xt?? Or the generation after that, and see what extra performance comes out of it plus what the future games will be demanding.
Depends how much you payed for it (guessing a pretty good deal), but yeah.
@@NicoMCH666I'm holding out hope for the 8800XT being near the 7900 XTX/4080 performance tier, personally.
It would be nice if new cards would also be compared to older cards. I'm personally not upgrading every new generation, so I'm still using my RX 5700 XT, but there aren't allot of reviewers going back to that generation or older. In fact, I know a few people who are still using Nvidia 1000 cards.
Still using my RX 580, waiting for RDNA4 or RDNA5 haha
5700XT is generally around 6600XT or slightly better than 2070 as listed here on the chart
I also have a RX 5700XT. Here is my situation.
Prices and availability of used RDNA2 in my country is bad. Stores also have not been selling high end RDNA2 for a year and a half. Recenty a new RX 6800 from Biostar costs $900...
My case is from 2016 with 32 cm space for GPUs, most RDNA2 GPUs will not fit and the reference models are not priced decently.
Sapphire has models with only 2 fans and less than 30 cm, those will fit nicely in my case, thus saving me around $65 or more on a new mid tower case and a Saturday project.
Importing cases is not worth it, too expensive.
@@ronnie3626 I only switched from a GTX 660 last year. Everyone is on their own update cycle, the number of people who upgrade every year is actually a pretty small proportion (but they make up a much larger proportion of viewers of channels such as this). It all depends on the games they play, what they consider "acceptable performance", and budget
Is that still accurate? I believe AMD recently switched RDNA1 over to their new Direct 11 driver which was previously only for RDNA2 and higher.
Thanks you so much I appreciate your in depth reviews, I hope Steve gets better soon. 7800xt looks like a good value now and when fsr3 comes out it should be an even better value imo.
Thanks Steve, for your hard work this week, especially while not feeling well.
This makes me so pissed what NVIDIA did to the 3070 Ti limiting it to 8GB, especially having to pay more because of shortages during the pandemic/mining craze. It should be doing 6800 XT levels, especially RT. 10GB at least would have done it. 10GB 3070, 12GB 3080, that is what it should have been. This is why console just seems more logical. I'm probably going for a 7900 XT or XTX, both cheaper that what I paid for my 3070 Ti.
that's why we got dlss/dlaa.
I mean... It's hard to be suprised after paying scalpers' prices I guess. But indeed the 3070Ti barely ever made sense.
amazing that 6800XT was 3070 competitor and that now it equals a 3080. I also regret going with nvidia, but had no choice back then. 0 cards were available, I picked what I could.
Games are unoptimized today, stop blame Nvidia
@tailerbrown6825 Games are unoptimized today, stop blame Nvidia
Hope Steve is able to take some time to get better. Don’t worry guys, we’ll be here once you’re able to get better and back to it. Nothing is worth bargaining your health over. Love the HUB team
Man, the 6800XT becomes a better buy with every passing day
I mean the 7800XT is cheaper. If anyone's deciding between the 6800XT (if they can find any) and the 7800XT, the 7800XT is the better choice.
@@tapp3r109 that’s definitely true for today. I more so meant that if you bought one (like myself) it turned out to be a great decision.
Nope, not in my country. 7800xt is about 30-50€ more expensive.@@tapp3r109
Not rly idk why HUB 7800xt is boosting only 2000-2100mhz and other reviewers shows 2550-2600mhz and +5/7% more perf. then hub results i think steve is to sick and he did some mistakes ? Check daniel owens results its litteraly 8-10% faster then 6800xt (red devil) vs 7800xt(red devil)
@@gaav87 watch GN's review. Y'all will eat those words about the 7800xt being better.
Get well soon, Steve. Amazing work getting this review and the Starfield content out, but as a long-time viewer, I hope that you're not burning the candle at both ends.
Content is just content. You''ve built a loyal following who'll show up for your videos, even if they are released a week late. Please don't drive yourself into the ground, just to meet an embargo. We can only redline our bodies for so long without serious consequences.
Hope you can take some time to rest and recuperate
Hope Steve gets feeling better soon!
Appreciate your work, both of you.
For someone like me who has been religiously researching PC’s to make the switch from console, I believe I found my first GPU.
As a lifelong PC gamer (since the 90's as a kid) who now thinks consoles are the overall better choice in this day and age, I would advice not to but hey you may have your specific use case or some reason... so go for it man.
BTW my gut feeling is that MS, Sony will do a X/Pro console version this generation too. Only they will be marketted for Raytracing performance and upscaling capabilities not 8k res. Zen5 and RDNA4 might make them feasible. I'd personally buy those.
@@NatrajChaturvedi The PS5 has about the same graphics horsepower as the 6700XT (which I currently own) and the graphics menu in console games is always completely handicapped. I'd rather take reduced settings over smeary/sizzling upscaled settings. At 1440p native I can get 80-90FPS in any recent game (sans Starfield apparently) with mixed settings that look better and feel more responsive than a console. That some of the recent console releases have the audacity to render at 720p and upscale that to 4k in the 60FPS mode is a crime.
@@NatrajChaturvedi I agree with you. It's been almost 3 years and these new GPUs are still too expensive. Might as well stick with consoles for now.
@@NatrajChaturvedilmao enjoy getting ripped off to play online and getting 30fps and worse quality.
The man, the machine, the legend.
GWS Stevo.
Retail prices at launch are actually higher than the 4070 here in Oz, although it's nice to see them available already. I hope it doesn't stay that way. The last of the 6800s and 6800 XTs seem to have gone, but $879AUD for the PowerColor Radeon RX 7800 XT Hellhound OC 16GB (cheapest I see) is $30 more than the last 6800 XT was going for (pccasegear) and about the same as your entry level Inno3D or PNY 4070 at $889 ($883 for the PNY at MSY WA) whereas the ASUS TUF variant of the 7800 XT at $969 is $10 more than the Asus Dual OC version of the 4070. Hopefully they come down in the near future. Sad that this stagnation is the best value available from this generation across all brands.
God that’s terrible AU pricing lol. I get why content creators don’t talk about other markets but this just becomes a wait for a sale situation for Australians yet again
Great stuff Tim. A speedy recovery to Steve. Many thanks for the hard work.
Thanks for taking care of this presentation, Tim.
And get well soon, Steve!
Definitely a compelling option especially if you were going to buy Starfield. Newegg only has 1 SKU at $499 (the Challenger).
The ASRock steel legend one is backordered on Newegg and pretty much the only choice there now, but I didn't trust my odds with them actually fulfilling that order.
The 7800 XT has significantly higher 1% lows. It really shines there. I did the research through several reviews.
When the performance is equal, always opt for the card with more memory.
Depends, I would suggest those that purchased a 3080 10GB nearly 3 years ago have had a slightly better run than those that purchased a 6800XT due to better RT and DLSS. Only if you planned to hold onto the card another 2-3 years the 6800XT ftw, but I would still prefer a 3080 today. The 8GB cards are an entirely different discussion, they seemed dodgy from the start as consoles can spare up to around 10GB of shared memory for VRAM after the OS, subsystem and game data in memory.
Well, yes, buy you lose the dlss + FG...
Yes, you got FSR, but in the nvidia also have it.
Decisions...
Nvidia cards have features that may be more important for some people. Personally because DLSS is just so much better than FSR, until AMD improves their upscaler I won't consider an AMD card.
@@verttisyrjala2897upscaling in general is dogshit. New ai denoiser from nvidia only thing worth using
for the price & perf I will mainly look the card who has the best thermals (it will last longer), and best power consumption, it saves you money at the end of the day.
Amazing work, Steve ! Get well soon.
My go to team when trying to decide what parts to buy for a build. Good job to you HUB!!!
All my good thoughts to Steve, hope you are back in the saddle in no time. Great work as always both of you.
Only thing that doesn’t completely disappoint is the price. But unfortunately this good pricing won’t make it to Europe. The 3% performance jump is embarrassing tho. No way I am going to buy this over the 6950xt which is @620€. 500$ in the US means at least 580€ in Europe.
The pricing should make its way to Europe, or at least close to it, with maybe a little bit more mark-up, plus the standard taxes. US (and Canadian) pricing never includes taxes, and sales taxes can vary a lot by state or province.
yeah 7800 XT is more expensive than 6800 XT i got 2 months ago ( when they were still available) not great
@@syncmonism lol, the 7800xt sells for 569-600€ , you can get 6800xt for 499-539€
£500 in the uk
@@syncmonismHah, little markup? There's always atleast a 100€ markup on any tech after accounting for taxes.
Thanks for the effort to both of you and quick recovery to the patient! So, the generational leap for RDNA3 vs RDNA2 keeps being ~50% or more (N31 and N32 vs N21 and N22). And prices aren't bad at all nowadays.
The generational leap between the 6800xt and 7800xt is basically non existend
@@andyyy5855you are both correct. 7800xt to 6800xt has no leap.
And N41 from N31 + N42 from N32 has about 40%ish leap.
@@andyyy5855You compare names (marketing=non-objective by definition) and I compare die-sizes between generations. That is the generational leap in architecture. Also, pricing fluctuates and 6800XT stock is being depleted.
I wish you could add the undervolting performance difference and power consumption. Great review overall!
Steve in the thumbnail. Nice touch! Thanks for the review as always.
I was able to get a 6800 XT Merc 319 on sale a month ago for $500 USD. Happy to see the performance is still on par with the 7800 XT, as I was expecting it to be at least 20% faster. 🤔
As someone still with a rx 570 8GB (that works overall fine for me) and wanting a new card, I think I'll wait to see what Battlemage does to the market overall. I'd love something new now, but I think we can get even better prices on current gen hardware if Battlemage is up to stuff at launch. It's a bit away, yes, but if my hardware holds up until then, I'll be okay.
mate battlemage is a year out.
I tested an RX 6800 XT a couple of years ago and moved on to an NVIDIA card to test that out and see what all the hype was about. It turns out the AMD card was actually really impressive value. I've been looking for a way to find my way back to at least owning an AMD card so I picked up the RX 7800 XT this morning.
Havent even touched my 3080 ti after getting 7900 xtx :) much better for 4k
Which brand and model RX 7800 XT?
Good choice! The 7800xt will be known in the coming years as the Clear best value card from this generation of Gpu's. There really isn't a close second. If you even remotely care about Starfield, getting a free copy of it is a nice bonus as well. Ofcourse the 7800xt having the best performance for Starfield in terms of price to performance (By a Mile according to Steve from Gamer's Nexus), is the icing on the cake. It even easily beats the overpriced 4070ti 12gb at $800 in Starfield..
@@N0N0111 I decided on the reference design AMD RX 7800 XT. I was looking for something a bit more compact for an SFX build otherwise I might have gone with the PowerColor Red Devil RX 7800 XT Limited or Sapphire NITRO + RX 7800 XT. Both of those cards have amazing designs IMO with better thermals and noise levels. I wanted as compact as possible though so I'm happy with the reference model.
@@slickrounder6045if you're a bethesda fan then sure why not
One of the big differences that might go into consideration is the use of latest Navi and encoder those into little bit of editing or rendering work. Plus some features announced by amd won't be releasing on old gpus
Nobody is buying amd cards for rendering work. Their software support is truly awful
@@mojojojo6292 if someone is into basic work but mostly into gaming.
@@thedigitallensNvidia is workload gpu with much higher compatibility and speed when cuda or tensor cores are in use
Get better soon Steve! Thanks for the testing, get some rest!
When you realize that in this generation somehow "basically no improvement" is the best we got yet... 😓
bro like wtf did they even do like no vram improvements, 1% better thats it, wtf?
Cheapest in Denmark right now, is approximately 620 USD, availability expected around 23 sep.
Not sure what to say, its just sad at this point.. wait for next gen? :(
Edit: You can get a new 6800 XT for the exact same price point.
That is with tax yes. 25% tax = about $500. Really go Nvidia or just wait on the AMDiscount. It might even happen that AMDiscount appers on Nvidia cards soon enough. If RX 6000 truly starts to sell out we might get discounts for blackfirday or Q1 2024 on this Navi32 stuff. Or just wait for more horrible GPU launches. At best Nvidia are going to fix RTX 4000 and launch the same cards but this time with enough vram for the price.
Weird. In Sweden it's $620 as well, but the 6800XT is $665. So the 6800XT is definitely more expensive. Unless you find one on sale.
I can assure you in Poland it will be much more expensive. The cheapest AMD reference model RX 7900XT is around $890-910.
@@marcinmaj848 Cheapest 7900 xt (Asrock) is also prices around 910 USD in Denmark. For the cheapest Asus one its 1050 USD.
As always Steve...your efforts here are greatly appreciated by us all. Get well soon.
The 7800 XT is now a compelling choice for my next GPU purchase. 🤔
Wishing you the best and hoping you get well Steve!
Respect Steve! Big job getting this done while sick. Get well soon.
Feels like a few driver revisions later the 7800xt will become more optimized and dominate the 6800xt especially as 6800xt supply starts to dry up.
This guy gets it, plus it has those AI accelerators built in which I'm sure will give this card a decent boost whenever FSR3 is released.
I'll be replacing my 6700 XT with a Sapphire Nitro+ model soon!
I don't think it's ever going to "dominate" the 6800 XT. It has pulled a little bit further ahead in some newer games, and will likely pull a bit further ahead over time, but I don't think it's ever going to perform that much differently. Maybe some day it will support higher quality upscaling, or some other feature that the 6800 XT doesn't support, but as far as I can tell, the architecture of RDNA3 doesn't seem to be all that much different than RDNA2.
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Wow, really like the look of that model, honestly I think more board partners should take this approach in their design phase.
While I'm probably going to coast another year on my 3070, it's nice to see some sanity has creeped back into the GPU market. Hopefully next year there's some progress in both performance _and_ price so that I can have a real tangible upgrade in this middle tier.
Same here. Nothing about the latest generation of gpu's is making me rush out to replace my 3070.
Nobody will buy 3070s with it's dismal 8 GB VRAM in the future except at bargain bin prices.
Which is why I sold mine while it still held most of its value, slept on gaming for a while then upgraded within the same gen from the used market for a minimal increase in investment
@ij6708 You need to realise the 3070 is almost 3 years old now. When it came out, 8 GB vram wasn't too bad. I wouldn't go out and buy one now but the latest gpu's don't offer me enough of an upgrade to rush out and buy one.
@@ij6708you are wrong. There are TONS of 8GB Cards out there even for years to come. Game developers NEED to optimize their Games for 8GB cards, even in the future (4060, 4060ti, 4050, 3070, 3070ti, 3060ti, 3050, RX 6600, RX 6600XT, RX 6650XT, RX 7600, RX 5700XT, RX 580, Intel Arc A750, Arc A770, RTX 2070, RTX 2070 ti, RTX 2080)
@@shavy9655 I wish I was wrong but the trend has already been set. Optimizing for 8 GB nowadays equals a visual downgrade. Look at Starfield they stayed within a 8 GB VRAM buffer but as a result the game looks dated with low res textures present throughout the environment
Wow, I’m glad I didn’t jump on this one from my 6800xt. Hopefully they’ll get it better with driver updates and fine wine the crap out of it
I noticed there are two 7800 XTs on the "final thoughts" chart, around the 22:18 timestamp. It's probably not too relevant, but I thought I'd point it out!
Correct
I may use it in my Lan PC. Not sure I am pretty happy with my 6750xt Elite I have in my main rig. But I am hoping the release of this will drop the prices for the other gpus a bit.
Get well Steve! This makes me glad I sprung for the 7900xtx - I might actually have playable games at 1440p for three years with it . maybe.
If you just learn to accept that there are other settings than Ultra then you'll be good for 1440p for a heck of a lot longer than 3 years. I'm on 1440p with a 6700XT and I still hit 80-90FPS in every game without upscaling by tweaking settings. I'm also eyeballing an XTX though, as I think RT has become more than just the usual "Nvidia fucked titles". The RT numbers in UE5 games look a lot more digestible as Lumen doesn't just cast millions of rays in every random direction, but actually seems to be doing something useful with the ray's it does cast.
@@andersjjensen well, starfield with my GPU and the 5800x3D I have is already falling behind at NOT ultra settings. At 1440p. Hopefully it will get better, but it is likely a sign of things to come :)
@@smarouchoc7300 Starfield, like Cyberpunk, is broken. There is absolutely no reason the GPU should be taxed this hard when other games can make just as pretty graphics at 50-60% the compute budget.
The old mantra "Your GPU doesn't get slower. The settings will just be called something different" mantra seem to have gone more and more out the window these days. And if game developers expect us to chuck thousands of dollars at new hardware every 2-3 years to play their games I have the notion that they'll end up being very disappointed....
I picked up a Sapphire 7800XT Nitro+ for £405. I think i did alright seeing as I can sell my 6700XT for over £200 on ebay.
I have 6800xt and I'm think I will stay with this card in least 2 more years before replacing it its amazing how it's so good until now
Glad I grabbed the XFX Merc 6950xt but I've got a funny feeling we'll only see the new series get alot better with upcoming drivers of fsr3 and fluid frame's
i mean as owner of 6800 XT, this is just rebrand with slighly lower power consumption and better codec support
what concerning me are the prices outside of US, in Europe prices of 7800 XT and 4070 dont seems much different
The US dollar is loosing its value?
Undevolt your 6800XT and you got yourself a 7800XT
@@storage-space4927Yes and others are suffering because they print money to combat inflation which solves their inflation but increases inflation in every other country cause we have to pay for it.
@@storage-space4927taxes in Europe are really high
As an example the rtx 4070 costs 680€ and the 4070 ti costs 1020€
The 7800 XT naming is dumb. It's a 6700 XT successor, because it's using a mid-sized GPU, and its launching at a similar MSRP that the 6700 XT launched at. 500 USD today is equivalent to around 440 USD two and a half years ago, when the 6700 XT first launched at 480 USD, and the 7800 XT is about 43% faster than the 6700 XT.
It's nothing new for previous gen graphics cards to be heavily discounted in price before many of the next gen cards replace them, and for them to have equal or better performance per dollar at those prices, yet many people are arguing things like "the 7800 XT offers little to no improvement in value per dollar over the previous generation", as if AMD is supposed to give us a major improvement in value per dollar over CURRENT pricing for the already heavily discounted 6800 XT (and other various heavily discounted 6000 series cards).
Do you need to like the price of the 7800 XT? No. It sucks that average incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, and you could argue that AMD does share some degree of blame for that, though certainly not most of the blame.
If 500 is still too expensive for you, then that sucks, because the 7700 XT is not worth considering at current pricing (even though it is fairly competitive against Nvidia alternatives). The 6700 XT is currently a potentially very good option at 330 USD, but stock will probably mostly run out long before the next generation comes out, and the 7700 XT is simply too close in manufacturing cost to the 7800 XT for AMD to ever want to give us a genuinely good deal on them. AMD definitely left a big gap between the 7600 (which is itself still over-priced at most retailers), and the 7800 XT, basically forcing people to buy previous gen, or used cards, if they want a good value lower-mid-range or upper-low-end graphics card, and Nvidia has also basically done the same thing, by offering poor value for everything other than the RTX 4070 (and the 4090 is arguably a good value as well, at least as far as ultra high-end cards go, but it's simply not going to be worth buying for the vast majority of gamers).
I currently have a 2060 super and I want to upgrade next year. I’ve never owned an AMD gpu before but it looks like the 7800 xt will be the way to go! Amazing results and double the vram 🙂
Praying for you Steve! Thanks Tim for taking up the slack and getting us the honest, quality analysis we've come to appreciate from you guys.
Great video, solid card & swift recovery for Steve.
Probably since arquitecture of RDNA3, because is not mono, the conections make it slower at 4k.
In Germany 459€ for a 6800 non-XT is still a great deal but the new options of the RX 7800XT / 7700XT are also very attractive. It is a good time for a hardware upgrade
I was considering trading my RTX 3080 10GB up for the 7800XT but after seeing the benchmarks, the 3080 still might be slightly better. At this point I'm waiting till next gen or if the 7900XTX eventually drops to like $600, I'll upgrade to that.
My performance guesses after seeing the 7900 GRE review was pretty accurate and now am even more happy with the XFX Merc 6800XT i got for cheap a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah looks like this architecture really needs all the bandwith it can get, from both memory and infinity cache. 7900GRE is barely faster despite having 33% more compute units, with the same L3 cache and memory bus as 7800XT.
I would have liked to see the 7900GRE with five active MCDs and 18 GB of VRAM with 288 bit bus and 80 MB of infinity cache it probably would have slotted more evenly between 7800XT and 7900XT
@@Lemard77 The GRE is also clocked significantly lower than the 7800XT.... It's all in all a weird product.
@@andersjjensen It's just around 100 Mhz lower than the 7900XT for AMD reference design, and it was much more performant, I dont think those couple hundred Mhz would explain the performance difference compared to the bandwith to cores ratio.
Thanks tim. Hope steve gets better soon.
Steve is the hardest working man in benchmarking! Thanks HUB crew.
I'm looking to upgrade my 3070 to either a 7800xt or 7900xt mainly due to the limited vram on the 3070 (I play at 1440p). I honestly can't decide if it would be better to get a 7900xt for a meaningful rasterization performance increase, or if I should get a 7800xt and upgrade my 5600x sooner than planned. I'm not really comfortable getting a GPU with 12gb of vram because I want it to last for a while, so the 4070 doesn't really make much sense for me.
My Advice would be to get a Cpu upgrade first to the 5800x3d, or Even to Am5 for the 7700 or 7800x3d (but of course that requires more money). So A Cpu upgrade is a Better Option.
Then save up and wait until like end of the Year and maybe hopefully a few GPUs would be Discounted or even get a Used 4080 or 4090 or 7900xtx something like that.
I'd keep the 3070 or get 7900xt/4070Ti unless you like burning money on a small performance increase. A lot of games coming out are poorly optimized and have stutter (traversal stutter, bad frame pacing) regardless of VRAM. Turn your textures down 1 notch and relax, this generation of GPU's is just really poorly priced with barely any performance increase.
6950 xt is also a good choice for $600. I upgraded to it from a 3070 ti and its a biiiiiiiig boost.
Im stuck with the rtx 3070, im waiting to Q2 2024 for intel arc battlemage. Lets see how that turns out
Ive bought used 3070ti as placeholder in January and was looking into changing it into 7800xt once its out, but I was expecting atleast 10% better perf then 6800XT. Even though I want to have more vram on card as I'm also been playing in 1440p for years now, I'm a little bit on the fence with this one - seeing the results I'm leaning towards waiting for next gen or until I feel like I must have these extra 8gb.
Given the current GPU market, I think the price is the biggest takeaway. It's not amazing, but it's not bad.
I would like to see the graphs sorted by the 1% low instead of the average framerate. Anyway great content!
The 7800 XT has significantly higher 1% lows. It really shines there. I did the research through several reviews.
Want to retire my GTX 1070 but I'm a bit disappointed by the performance of the 7800xt. Atleast 20% uplift would've been nice I guess?
Would be cool to see comparisons to the Nvidia 1000 series in future benchmarks!
I gues amd didnt have to do that because terrible cost per frame on nvidia gpu
I find your review very detailed and informative as always. Let me point out, however, that, although many reviewers say 7800 XT costs $100 less than 4070 based on MSRP, this MSRP difference seems to be reflected in street prices only in the U.S. and perhaps Canada. I checked prices of these two at price-tracking sites in the U.K., EU, Australia, and Japan. The price differences between 4070 and 7800 XT are as follows in those different regions: $75 in the U.K. and the Netherland, $50 in Austria, France and Germany ($50 in the EU as a whole), less than $2.5 in Australia (!), and -$5.5, which means 4070 is less expensive, in Japan.
I would recommend rechecking the Plague tale ray tracing results. The 3080 results look abit fishy by first losing to the 6800xt, then beating the 4070ti.
Great review overall though!
The 2060super also being 12% faster than the 2070
Honestly here is my biggest issue with the latest release. Everything is greater than a 2 slot design. Every 7700XT and 7800XT launched today is a 2.5 slot card which means it wont work in any of my cases. To get a dual slot card in the recent generation I have to go with a 7600 which is kinda low end and only has 8GB of VRAM. It just isn't a worthwhile upgrad from my 5700XT. I could go team green but I would again be stuck with 8GB of VRAM unless I was willing to pay stupid pricing for a 16TB 4060TI. Is it really too hard to design dual slot cards anymore?
With the prices I'm seeing, the 7900XT seems to scale linearly in terms of price/performance, or maybe even a tad better, so my impression is that again we got no good value; unless someone is looking for a card specifically in this price bracket.
The 7900XT is under appreciated, especially when it dipped to $704.
The 7900 XT is the card to get when priced under $750.
@@MrFirerod1 Yup. $900 in Poland because we can't have nice things.
7900 XT is the ticket right now.
Thanks for all your effort, Steve. Get well soon.
Amazing work! Get well soon Steve!
i just picked up a 6950xt; it seemed like the best performance to price for that price point compared to what i had before and what is available on both red and green side + seeing how im running an amd cpu, i could use the smart memory access aswell, which i can't with an nvidia card 🤔
Idk why but the Hardware Unboxed guys and the Digital Foundry guys are like ASMR for me - calming and comforting, evidence driven and investigative.
I guess I want to say 'Thank you' to the Hardware Unboxed team for making our lives... Eeeee... Calmer? 😂
Hub and dig foundry are not the same.
Dig foundry fill their pockets from time to time.
@@branchprediction9923 I am in no way making a comparison between the two. Just saying they work similarly on my mental state.
And our wallets thinner, I wanna buy every recommendation they make
@@branchprediction9923 What does that even mean? It's literally their job to make content for money.
I have a 1070 I waited but nothing compelling in this gen and before so I still wait for next gen. Currently there is no game that is worth and need(in my opinion) to upgrade your graphics card. I am interested to see what will amd do with his free run on next year when allegedly nvidia will skip that. I think nvidia currently and next year will hammer again something innovative and it takes 1 more year to be up to standard if the year skip is true.
Starfield would like to have a word.
Fellow 1070 owner here
@@FSGoingStraight More like Borefield or Failfield. Those who upgrade graphics card for Starfield and its not a business investment they are delusional.
These graphs need a avg temp and power draw. This would makexthe 4070 and 6800 non xt seems like incredible buys
I live in Canada and bought a 6700xt earlier this month. Was 430 CND (315USD)I was worried I was going to regret buying it but not at all.
I'm confused. At 12:35 the RTX 3080 is almost at the bottom at 1080p (Ray Tracing), but suddenly beats the 4070ti in both 1440p and 4k? Is this the game messing up or is the data wrong?
I noticed that as well and thought the 1080p result for Plague Tale RT can't be correct. Better recheck that Steve or you may have Steve gunning for you, haha.
I came here to say the same thing. That data looks bugged (or the game itself wigged out) which is unfortunate as it is especially relevant to me... (I currently have a 3080 10GB)
Maybe that is what happens when you cut the bus with from 320bit to 192bit. RTX 4070Ti is 12GB. And the RTX 3080 is what 10 or 12GB? I mean it says 10GB on the testing. Yet the bus with is 33% cut for the 4070Ti. Like remember we are talking about a 80 class vs the un launched 4080 12GB.
But yea it might be the testing that is wrong. Imagine that. But really it is believable due to what RTX 3000/4000 has turned out to be. Like honestly it is just funny how at 1080p the 3080 performance is reported to be worse then in 1440p. Maybe it is intentional? Since that is just to silly. 4K 3080 10gb! Leeetsgoo!
Agree -- something appears wrong with this data.
This is a beast and a great upgrade. The 7800 XT's performance is great, especially the OC versions. If you have a CPU that cannot handle a 7900 XT or 7900 XTX, the 7800 XT will give you great experience, even in 2k. I was about to get it to pair with 5820K, but I decided to go for a 7800x3d and the XTX instead, but I was very close to go for this and have a more than decent experience.
This will be a more compelling deal when 7800XTs hit the used market, where I’d imagine they will be valued closer to $350-low $400s. Currently, I’ve been seeing used 6900XTs going for $470-$520 so if your PSU permits and need a gpu now, that will provide more value compared to this card new.
My exact thoughts! I have a non module PSU so I'll probably just upgrade to a modular one and buy a 6950xt
Best wishes Steve! Awesome stuff Tim :)
Thank the Lord something happened in positive light this generation. So many people needed a good product this gen, the entire diy segment needed something to hold their hobby together.
The biggest thing that the 7800xt has over the 6800xt is that it has a 2 slot 267 mm model that fits smaller builds. Previously, you had to drop to a 6750xt for this size category.
I like how the reviewers have been so worn down that 3-5% improvement over 3 years gets overwhelmingly positive coverage.
Overwhelmingly is a strong word. this a positive review at best.
Yes amd should have made it 50% faster while raising the price 100% like nvidia did with 4080.
@@blegi1245 nobody said that... stop it with the mental gymnastics, fanboy
No Fortnite before the review dropped gave me a hint Steve is still unwell 😢
Yeah my voice still isn't there yet :( Few more days and I'll be right.
Steve really is the G.O.A.T. for getting all this data out in time despite being sick.
🙏 get better soon
Nice to see the merc and the hellhound perfomed so well. I want fans below 1000rpm.
Looks like a good upgrade for a lot of people who didn't buy a 6800XT. Or a 3080 10gb.
Luckily for me, it's an easy choice between the 6800XT and 7800XT as the 7800XT Hellhound is only a little over 100 NOK (10USD) more than the 6800XT. Time to build my first PC in many many years!
I suspect the performance gap between 7800XT and 6800XT will be even smaller once you factor in older titles.
Performance differences on older titles are irrelevant because both cards are going to be complete overkill in older titles.
@@syncmonism but can it run crysis 3? 😆
There's one impressive part of this launch: the cooler performance of the PowerColor Hellhound.
7800XT with Hyper-RX is going to speak for itself. tested a couple of games on my 7900XTX and its hella good. Fluid motion when it releases its going to give these cards a decent jump Hyper-RX right now alone is going to do wonders for both the 7700XT and 7800XT. Wonder if Nvidia is going to release DLSS on a driver level.
Right now Rx 6800 overstock is keeping the 7700 xt from shining since it has to be expensive
I think this is a decent card if you were coming from more than 1 gen back. pricing is sane for this generation. When you look at the makeup its not a bad little card but really ought to have been called a 7800 imo. Or 7700 xt