8 Reasons Why the Claim That Imam Al-Ash'ari 'Repented' from His Creed Is False - Mufti Saif al Asri
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They also say the same thing about Imam Ghazali rahimuhu Allah
No.
What sources are this sheikh using? Did he mention them in the video?
And Imam Nawawi
Tawheed is not the minhaj (Islam Iman and Ihsan) of the Salaf
@@Gog3453 funniest irony is that it’s actually Ibn Taymiyyah (the salafis favourite sheikh) who repented before his death. That’s how he was released, otherwise he’d never gone out of prison.
...I think a sensible position to adapt regarding credal differences is if there is evidence from the Salaf that there was a difference of opinion on a point of Aaqeedah & the parties involved in the difference didn't condemn each other's opinion, then we can regard it as ikhtilaaf & not unacceptable ikhtilaaf like with the Khawaarij, Jahamiah etc. sects within the Muslims, which we believe are positions that are SINFUL/potentially punishable by Allah. Hence we regard them as not being from Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jam'aah at all.🤷🏿♀️😇
good video shaykh! Ahlus sunnah (ash'aris/maturidis) for the win.
What a joke. So between you 2 who is winning. Can't be both or you are a fool
@@DAWAHTIME1 Asharis and Maturidis are Ahlus Sunnah, hence, saying both is valid.
Ibn Kullab was not from Ahlul Sunnah, but close to Ahlul Sunnah - closer than the later Asha'irah. Many Scholars from Ahlul Sunnah warned against him and boycotted him like Imam Ahmad, Imam ibn Khuzaymah and more. Ibn Kullab used to distort the attributes of Allah and was the first to say that Allah speaks without sounds and letters. So how can you say that their opinions are in the framework of Ahlul Sunnah? You should define the term Ahlul Sunnah before using it. I also wonder where you have the information that Imam Bukhari said that the recitation of the Quran is created, while he said: "Whoever said that about me, no matter who or where he may be, from the Hijaaz (Makkah, Madeenah) or anywhere else, has lied upon me. I did not say it.” It is even reported that he said: “Whoever says that the recitation of the Quran is created is a disbeliever!”
Imam At-Tabari even says that it's Kufr to say the recitation is created.
Also you forgot that many historians affirmed that Ibn Kullab was the teacher of Abu Hasan al Ashari like Imam Ibn Hazm and Imam Shahristani.
Imam Abu Hasan Ashari loved Imam Ahmad and said that he is upon his Aqeedah. However this was not the case.
Same scenario like Imam Ibn Hazm who claimed that he is upon the Aqeedah of Imam Ahmad.
Both were wrong.
Also it's not true...
1. Phase: Mu'tazili
2. Phase: Kullabi
3. Phase. Ahlul Sunnah -> Wrote Al Ibanah and more
-> Some affirmed and accepted his books and affirm he's from Ahlul Sunnah - other scholars like Imam Barbarhari still rejected him and more scholars. Ibn Hajar is not an historian, why do you take him lol. Take historians like Imam Dhahabi, Imam Katheer, Shahrastani and Ibn Hazm. They didn't affirm that he is from Ahlul Sunnah in the first and second phase.
Also your claim that the people nowadays follow him is not 100% ture. The Asha'irah nowadays follow the updated and developed version of the Ashari creed developed by Juwayni, Ghazzali and Ar-Razi.
Also the reason why the Ashari Aqeedah spread has historic and political reasons. Sheikh Yasir Qadhi made a video about it.
10:45 is one of the worst arguments I've heared. The scholars always differed between Ahlul Hadith and Ahlul Kalam. So Imam Bukhari just wanted to show if they agree upon or if they disagree. Mentioning doesn't mean they are from Ahlul Sunnah. This is a baseless claim...
Just because many scholars like Imam Ahmad and others agreed with him in some topics doesnt put him in the fold of Ahlul Sunnah. This is a weird take. Of course some topics are agreed upon, however he went in many topics a different road and left Ahlul Sunnah (the specific term) - especially when he distorted the attributes of Allah and inventing stuff like Kalam Nafsi. He is not from Ahlul Sunnah.
Claim 7: Ibn Kullab was not a Mu'tazili. So Abu Hasan al Ashari didn't need to refute him. Ibn Kullab was his teacher so he followed him. He literally writes down the opinions of his teacher and sayings....
Claim 8: You forgot to mention that many scholars affirmed his third phase but still denied that he is from Ahlul Sunnah, because he had many mistakes. It's also funny how you literally interprete the book Al Ibanah with Ashari-Glasses. There is a reason why Imam Ibn Katheer and many historians said he REPENTED and wrote Al Ibanah, which means it's mostly free from Kullabi Creed.
What's funnier is that this guy said that Imam ibn Katheer is an Ashari, while Ibn Katheer agree's that there are 3 phases and all 2 phases he was misguided but the third phase not, while this ashari guy said he was from ahlul sunnah in phase 2 and 3. Look how they contradict theirself..
He never mentioned in Al Ibanah to do Ta'weel or Tafweed of the meaning. Here we go again with the Ashari-Sunglasses, interpreting books under the light of their Aqeedah. It seems to me that you also don't have a clue about Athari Aqeedah. Just because he said the hands of Allah are not limbs doesnt mean this is Ashari Aqeedah. We also affirm that Allah doesn't have limbs. This happens when people are not honest and try somehow to justify their Aqeedah. They are not as truthful and honest like Imam Shahristani who was an Ashari and studied the history of Aqeedah and affirmed that the Asha'irah came later and the creed is not from the Salaf. Thats why he made tawbah.
Just finished the Video and typed to every reason my thoughts. To be honest he used bad arguments and blind followed Ibn Hajr, who is not a historian and rejected the actual historians. This is nonsense. Be fair and have Ikhlas and ask Allah for the truth and study then. You studied in order to find argument for Ashari. You didn't study with the intention that Allah shows you the light of the straight path.
Imam Ibnul Mubarak said that one reason why the Ummah splitted was that people FIRST believed and THEN started to look for evidences. While Ahlul Sunnah FIRST see's the evidences THEN they believe.
Ibnul Mubarak his first part (First believe then evidences) described you.
May Allah guide me and everyone to Haqq. Amin.
Asselamu aleikum.
@AA Publicity its not lol
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great video , we need more of these to tackle the modern day salafi objections. Please also upload videos of hamza bekri in english
Amazing! Keep up the great work. Ma Sha Allah!
بارك الله فيكم
Have you read the kitab Al-ibanah an usool id-diyanah by Abul-hasan Al-Ashari?
Ya Jahil, how long are going to deny the truth? You use false evidences to support your arguments because of hatred for the hanbalis or salafis refuting false arguments of your teachers with truth and real evidences.
It is known that the Ashari aqeedah is rooted in GREEK PHILOSOPHY.
SO DROP YOUR FOOLISHNESS AND FOLLOW IN THE WAY OF ABUL-HASAN AL-ASHARI AND RETURN TO SUNNAH, THE PURE SUNNAH!!!
Mashallah Alhamdulillah for this response to such claims ya Syeikh
Jazakumullahu khairan.
Mashallah brother keep it up!
Ur follower from Ethiopia 🇪🇹
Somali?
@@Mrcontrolfreak21 no addis ababa
Salaam bro, I often watch these vids in Arabic. I would like to help out with translating these vids (to get more done), if you're open to it
Wassalam, that would be awesome; email me at muhammedumarmustafa654@gmail.com so we can get in contact Insha'Allah :)
@@ibnawesome i just emailed you, see if you got it
@@MiroMayne Just got it.
@@ibnawesome MashaAllah, may Allah be pleased with you brother. But could you please keep the translation a bit longer on the screen? It´s hard to follow often.
Jazak'a Llah for the work you guys are doing for the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, in a western world where there is a heavy influence due to the oil money from the saudis etc to fund Wahabi and Salafi propoganda we need brothers like you who keep the masses informed, this is very important work, i hope you guys continue to put videos out like this.
Asalamu aleikum, barak Allahu feekum
I think at 7:09 he says the third you wrote the second.
and in 11:58 he says 6 and you wrote 7
أحسن الله اليكم
Assalamu alaykum, jazakumullahu khair for the video, it was very informative and useful (especially for someone in a majorly Salafi environment). But I have just one question - while I understand that Imam Al Ash'ari was never out of the folds of Ahl Al Sunnah wa-l Jama"ah, does his inclination to tafweedh as you stated in the 8th point mean he found it more correct than ta'weel? Or was it just a personal preference (in this case, based on what?)?
Tafweedh was always the preferred position as Imam Malik suggested "we believe in it and to ask how(ie. The nature of it) is bid'ah".
Ta'weel is also acceptable to defend against the mujassamah, the philosophers, the Hashawis and others, but ta'weel is not the first option.
@@farzana6676 makes sense, jazakillahu khair 💖
@@farzana6676 personal preference? Is Islam based upon personal preference and desires? What if one is content and prefers shirk, do we then allow this or turn back to the evidences in Quran and Sunnah ? This channel and its likes are nothing more than ahlul bid’ah promoted by the kuffar and taghut. Remember you will stand accountable for your actions, statements and beliefs. Return back to the original affair based on the understanding of the Salaf of this ummah, the 4 imams of fiqh of this ummah and those that followed them.
@@abuzaynab1805 well he is following one of four madhab plus if u are not a scholar and don't know the principles of the schools then don't comment
@@farzana6676 We make tafweed only to kayfiyyah, not to the meaning.
Mashallah, Allah Humma Barik what a great Mufti Jazak'a Llah Khayran wal kateeran YA SHEIKH, a slap in the faces of the pseudo salafis and wahabis who try to tarnish the great character and name of Imam Al Ashari Rahimhu'a Llah. May Allah give you the best in the akhira and in the dunya for your work.
Slap in your own face. You are chasing which phase is true as if Imam Ashari was a Prophet. Instead try to find truth
اللهم صل وسلم على سيدنا ومولانا محمد عبدك ورسولك النبي الأمي وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم
Mashsa alla..
I’m confused? How is the Ashar’i aqeedah correct if it formed after the death of the Sahaba, Tabieen and so on. Was the ummah upon misguidance until Abu Hassan al-Ashari ?
there are 3 valid creeds: Athari, Ash'ari and Maturidi
@@aaeshairshad893 Does that mean that there are 3 opposing versions of the haqq? That doesn’t even comply with logic or mantiq that Ahlul-bid’ah love so much. There is one haqq, one jammah and one creed which is the creed of the Messenger of Allah and those that followed him in righteousness.
Aqeeda is not formed after imam ash,ari document in his books after sahaba,s. Like imams made 4 madhabs for understanding fiqh doesn't mean it is firstly formed by them.
@@abuzaynab1805 r u a confused individual? the ash'ari creed is just defending ahlus sunnah using rational arguments. they are not adding anything or making something new
@@stephen42red27 does the aqeedah of ahlul Sunnah need the arguments of the rationalists ? Is the Quran and Sunnah not sufficient as a proof ?
The 2nd point about al ibanna... It contains strange things like abu hanifa was deviant and said quran was created
Masha Allah
8:57 which hanbalis ascribed themselves to the ashari school?
Ibn al Jawzi.
@@farzana6676 asalaamu alaikum. Farzana thank for the books. JazakAllah khayran
@@amarnahad2835can u say me the books too?
MashAlla
7:09 ثالثة third (not second)
Jazakumullah
It doesnt matter what creed he followed or if he repented from it. he isnt an authority on islam.
At 7:06 should it say third instead of second.
Yeah.
And also at 11:58, it suppose to be the 6th reason.
JazakAllahKhairan, not sure how I missed such clear mistakes when reviewing the transcript.
@@ibnawesome Barakallahu feek. I love the dedication you put into ur vids. May Allah accept your efforts.
@@ibnawesome In the future, you can consider using RUclips's native subtitles feature - I think that would make it much easier to update subtitles without having to re-render the whole video
Why his creed? Islamic creed has been completed in Qur'an and sunnah, unlike that of Christianity, which develops. Scholars, no matter how famous, can only interpret his understanding based on his knowledge and limited by the knowledge of his time, and he should add or remove any terms from the Qur'an and Hadith. Historical understanding need rethinking
You psuedo salafi why do hate Al imam ashaari so much while your aqeeda is anthromophoism is that the aqeeda of pious salafi
...as somone who affiliates to the Salafi/Hanbali methodology in Aaqeedah I do regard the Asharis who make tahweel (interpretation) of Allah's attributes as Ahlul Sunnah in the general sense definitely but cannot accept the validity of their method in dealing with these "Allah's attributes" texts at all but do not regard it as a credal difference like Sunnis would have with Khawaarij, Jahamiah etc. which are SINFUL/potentially punishable by Allah as we believe & leave no room for them amongst Alhlus Sunnah.🤷🏿♀️😇
These are not attributes in first Palace
So there is no meaning to saying we denied or make taweeel of attributes
If these are 100% attributes, one group would make takfir on others
Likewise if Some says Allah is "not all knowing" then he is ka_fir according to every sect of islam
@@muslimuddin3656 According to Salafee scholars they are.🤷🏿♂️🤔
@@muslimuddin3656 Who says Allah is not all knowing?🤔
@@muslimuddin3656They would not necessarily need to make Takfeer.🤷🏿♂️🤔
@@mdkhan3928
I said "if"
Yes everyone would did, there is no one among Muslims say "Allah is not all knowing"
According to him, her, them, this all are nothing, it will not make anything 100%
In aqeeda, its not compulsory to go deeper in it, just believe in Allah and his last messenger and do what is good and not do what is bad, you're passed
But if you go, then everything is irrelevant except Quran, sunnah and logical reasoning
So brother (my advice) learn, then talk
It would be interesting to here the rebuttal from the Salafis.😏🤔
والحق ان الاشاعرة والمعتريدية هم اهل السنة و الجماعة لا السلفية المعاصرة بانهم اي السلفية يجسمون تجسيما لله تعالي ذكره ...الامثال كثيرة من كتبهم ...اضرب اليكم مثالا ...
قال الشيخ ابن عثيمين ان الله تعالي له عينان حقيقتان اي الشيخ ابن عثيمين لا يفوض معناه الي الله تعالي لكن ياتي بمثال من نفس العين .... و اما المعتريدية و الاشعرية فانهم يفوضون المعني المراد به الي الله عز وجل عملا بقوله تعالي واخر متشابهات ....وما يعلم تاويله الا الله ..والراسخون في العلم يقولون امنا به...كل من عند ربنا الاية ...
Mr asha'ari of course you will deny that Imam Ashari came to the position of Salaf. Simply bcz your Deen and Aqidah depend on denying it. Instead of wasting energy on this try to find Haq and not which phases of his life you choose to follow as if he was a Prophet
...I myself, who claims to follow the Salafies, believe that Allah has "2 hands" (because text confirms this) but would always say the nature of that is knowledge which is with Allah. This is what I regard as taking the texts regarding the attributes of Allah "literally" & eliminating any need to explain the nature of the "hands" (or other attributes/descriptions of this nature etc.) or whether they are figurative or not. But I never would use the term Allah's "limbs" because, to the best of my knowledge, he never used that term (but did describe his "hand", "foot", "shin" etc. in descriptions of himself) 🤷🏿♀️ & so would disassociate from any statement attributing "limbs" to Allah, unless there was textual evidence to show "limbs" was used.🤔😇
When you said Allah has hand, you've already explained the nature of Allah's sifat "alyadu"
So claiming that you didn't explain its nature is blunt contradiction and lie
Brother you're taking about Allah not trumph and Bush
So be precise on your words
@@muslimuddin3656 If Allah said in the QUR'AAN (Paraphrasing): ...Oh Iblees why do you not make sujood to Adam Alehisalaam who I created with both of my hands... To deduce from this that Allah has 2 hands with which he created him is TATHBEET of what happened & by saying what is the nature of YADAIN is unknown to humans & the knowledge is with Allah is TAFWEED & this is logical & safe IMO. 😇
@@muslimuddin3656 you make tashbih byyourself and then cricticize others that they do tashbih lol
You literally translate the attributes of Allah with oxford dictionary.
@@Ben_B.
From where do you get i made tashbeeh?
Don't think of others as ignorant as you, many are more knowledgeable than you
@@muslimuddin3656 can you read my mind or where did I say you are ignorant and I'm more knowledgable? stop putting words into my tonghe.
هل تقرأ كتاب الابانة عن أصول الديانة لأبي الحسن الأشعري
يا جاهل متى أنت ذاهب لإنكار الحقيقة
أنت جاهل
كل يعلم أن النسخة الموجودة عندنا فيها تحريف
أ لم يقرأه حافظ ابن حجر؟ انه قال ان كتاب الابانة على طريق كلاب. أ لم تشاهد الفيديوا؟
Mashallah mufti saif