Did the Pious Salaf Condemn ʿIlm Al-Kalām?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2022
- 00:15 - Introduction: Objective of video and defining ʿilm al-kalām
01:40 - First definition: Imām Ibn Khaldūn
02:44 - Second definition: Imām Taftāzānī
04:25 - Third definition: Ḥanbalī scholars
07:02 - Dealing with quotes from the Salaf that condemn Kalām
07:47 - Quotes from Imām Abū Ḥanīfah & his students
14:19 - Quotes from Imām Shāfiʿī
18:20 - Quotes from Imām Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal
19:25 - Purpose of Kalām by Imām Al-Ghazālī
21:42 - Imām Ibn Taymiyyah and Kalām
23:54 - Difference between Kalām & philosophy
27:35 - Conclusion
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Finally a video after so long. Why you guys stopped uploading regular videos on your channel. Please make this channel active again, so that we keep learning something new. May Allah bless you brothers ..
@@diyaa_ulqamar so when are you wahabis going to free palestine and kashmir and ect who cares wat sect is right or not so right do something for this ummah already
@@shahmoneyshahmoney9250 What are you on about?
They have no time because they spent time studying rather.
I guess most Hanafis are missing your weekly Videos atleast,
Please upload more Ya Shaykh
Much needed content!!! JazakAllah Ustadhi
God bless you .....keep uploading
Mashallah Shaikh I hope Allah Grant's you Jannatul firdaus. It was my desire that such a series should be recorded and Allah has brought you to do so.
MaashaAllah! Jzk shaykh
A very comprehensive and useful 28mins on this topic
I love this jazakallah khair shaykh
Masha'Allah. Yesterday only I was looking up and didn't find any new uploads, got me a little sad. So glad you uploaded again. Jazakallahu Khaira
This man does NOT admit to his mistakes. Though you prefer to watch videos, DONT TAKE EVERYTHING HE SAYS AS TRUE AND FACTUAL. HE IS KNOWN TO MAKE GREAT BLUNDERS WHICH ARE ADDRESSED BY OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER VIDEOS!!!
@@diyaa_ulqamar Say, “Bring your proof, if you are truthful.” Quran 2:111
This Sheikh, as far as I've seen, always has references and proofs. May Allah SWT save us from fitnahs. I don't worship a sect, but Allah SWT. So I follow only what has been proved from Quran, Sunnah, Ijma and Qiyaas. And I do that to please Allah SWT. Being devout ro a sect so much that you start hating people of other sects, even if they're speaking the truth with references, will weaken your iman. Take it as an advice from a brother. :)
@Abdullah
Just watch the "Response to Hanafi Fiqh Channel" series by Ustad AbdulRahman Hassan.
Neither do I condone hatred of other people but mistakes must be rectified. Especially so when you people attack Salafis without justification!!!
@@diyaa_ulqamar
Just search for, "response to AbdulRahman Hassan" on RUclips and you'll find tons of scholars refuting him with proofs. After you watch them, watch refutations of those refutations and so and so forth. One day you'll die. And when Allah SWT asks you on the day of Qayamah about your own salah, dhikr, halal earnings, hurting and harming people, tell Him that you were busy in refuting past scholars who you didn't even read properly, and who you wanted to refute because you belong to a certain sect. Sounds great?
mashallah I was waiting for your videos
Brother , ilyas ghuman's aqeeda is against ashari maturdi aqeeda . He holds the kufri belief that the Dhaat of Allah is everywhere
@@fifafreebies8941
Have you spoken with him directly?
@@fifafreebies8941 no he doesn't. He has repeatedly mentioned what is meant by Allah is everywhere. Allah is everywhere means he is free from space and time.
@@mk-oe8yx he very clearly states the DHAAT of Allah is everywhere which is kufr . write this on youtube "Allah Ki Zaat Hr Jagh Mojud Hy | اکابر علماء کا موقف | Molana Ilyas Ghuman" . for proof
@@fifafreebies8941 watch from 2 min onwards copy paste this on youtube
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Welcome back sheikh
Please keep uploading on these topics. Jazakallahu Khair
Mashaa allah very good video keep it up
MaashaaAllah. We miss you Shaykh ❤️.From Philippines
Alhamdulillah..Allah bless you moulana..keep good work going
Movlana please carry on with these videos. Very beneficial.
Its very interesting how the salafis how now become hanbalis where previously anyone who follows a madhab is misguided.
Are the salafis following the hanbali madhab or they have made their own ?
@@ehsankakar In fairness they are not sure either
Hanaabila are athari. The narrations are enough to refute opposition.
@@diyaa_ulqamar True Hanaabilah or Pseudo salafis?
True now they are hiding behind hambalis and giving them bad name
السلام عليكم
Beautifully explain shaikh, بارك الله فيك
Smashed it!
Glad to see you back maulana!!
You can not say maulana
@@Assad.75 why not?
@@naveedrehman9958 are you serious brother. He's not a sahabi first of all. And maulana is a big word to be used on a shiek or scholars. Your saying He's guiding you in life not Allah subhan wa ta3alah
@@Assad.75 who believes that?
@sunnahman247
Do you know arabic?
مولانا maulana which translates to our protector, our guardian (والعياذ بالله)
If you break it down, it is two words مولا which means protector or guardian and نا which is the jam' as in plural. This name is used mostly in the Indian subcontinent because shirky sufism was prevalent there!!! AND IT IS SHIRK WHEN USED FOR PEOPLE LIKE HIM!!!
SubhanaAllah 4 hours ago, I can’t believe it 👌
@@diyaa_ulqamar he is not my beloved Shykh hahah May reward him though and all other scholars and students of knowledge. You know why I subscribe to this channel, because I am not person of extremist love for people. I am looking for the truth, he cited sources. If he is wrong may Allah forgive him and if he is not may Allah reward him. Did you check his sources or react like an immature emotional child?
Mufti sahaab as salaam u alaikum
I have seen many youtube channel on hanafi fiqh. But i find this is the best channel that answers quiet well to the so called ahle hadeeths. Plz keep uplading. We need a channel like urs to keep answering them. Its our humble request. Masalamaa
Mashallah mufti sahab upload more videos please ♥️
Came Back ❤️
Please upload videos regularly.
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Like your composure in this
i am from indonesia. i have no madzhab but i study syafii hanafi hanbali maliki etc. its treasure for me. jazakallah khayran
ماشاءاللہ ❤️ اللہ آپ کے علم میں طرقی۔ عطا فارمے ۔
Thank you
Wow great sheikh
Upload videos regularly sheikh
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Barakallah
Alhamdulilah
Salfi fitnah PLZZ upload more
More videos please shiekh because there’s a lot of confusion between the youngsters
mashaAllah
Assalam anleykoum
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I Want to study with you.
Nevertheless, this is a much needed discourse to be made by the students of Knowledge to the masses clearing up this unfortunate confusion stirred up by the pseudo Salafi brothers.
The main problem isn't Ilm Kalam itself. Rather, it's the fact that Ilm Kalam is the foundation that Ahl Kalam take as their Aqeeda .fundamentally speaking.
AsSalaam 3laikom, Sheikh ,
The statement الحكم على الشيء فرع عن تصوره doesn't necessarily only mean the correct judgement but any judgment or judging of something is the result of is the byproduct of is a branch of its perception.
Judging a thing is a branch of its perception!
Pictured it
Visualized it
Your judgement or judging of a thing is based on is a branch of is the result of
how you
(H y) Pictured it
(h y) Visualized it
(h y) perceived it
(h y) imagined it
(h y) conceived it
(h y ) envisioned it
(h y) saw it
(h y) conceptualized it
(h y) supposed it
(h y) projected it
Somehow Conceptualization is not _the_ accurate word though it may be a synonym [تصور] . والله تعالى أعلم
It's fair to say there are ignoramuses parading as both salafis and ashaaris. But I like the style of this video. Can you please make videos on the issues we salafi brothers have on taqlid, asma wa sifaat, tasaweuf, bidah and the lack of refutations from the ashari maturidi brothers on deviances that exist within our cultures and communities.
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Assalamoalikum i have a question. Does seeing videos of human beings or living beings and their faces is haram.
Who is the author of the third book shaykh mentioned, the hanbali book?
مصطفى حمدو عليان الحنبلي
The actual reference is from page 181 onwards, not 165 as he mistakenly mentioned.
ASSALAMU ALAIKUM MAULANA, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ASRAR RASHIDS TEACHINGS WHICH SEEMS DEVIATING AND IS PROPERGATING HIS AQEEDA
Which Podcast was referred to?
Bro upload videos quick quick
You did not even show any evidence from the salaf that show that they used kalaam. Bayhaqis understanding of the words of al shaafi’i is not evidence.
Their issue is they always take things/wordings/actions/verses out of context / out of the Grand context of that a said matter. Even in the MuHkamaat (verses wordings actions verdicts...whathaveyou) they take it/them out of the Grand context of all the MuHkamaat.
خبص في خبص .
خبط في خبط .
They got deluded by their parsimonious narrow-mindedness vision and they vehemently denounce anything other than their penurious judgement on matters. Even of the MuHkamaat.
Talk in normal English man. Nobody talks like that
It was not available till the life of salaf,
It was created after 750ce
Imam Ghazali is right in how it is a medicine for some and not everyone
Al-Ghazaali was not an expert of hadeeth. So his usage of kalaam was based of this deficiency.
Are you sure of this?
@sunnahman247
His most known book (it spans many volumes), Ihya 'Uloom id-Deen, has MANY MAWDOO' AND DA'EEF AHADITH IN IT!!! BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE GETS EVERYTHING WRONG IN OTHER AREAS!!!
A summarised version of this book is printed, MUKHTASAR MINHAAJ IL-QAASIDEEN, by Ibn Qudaama Al-Maqdisee.
@@diyaa_ulqamar Apart from Shahih Bukhari, even imam Bukhari's other books have weak ahadith. Does that mean we should disqualify him as a scholar? C'mon. Why am I even replying to a spam. You've corrupted most of the comments with your hatred. May Allah SWT guide you to the straight path, aameen.
نماز میں حنفیوں کے ساتھ اہلحدیث کا اختلاف صرف سورہ فاتحہ رفع الیدین اور آمین بالجہر کا نہیں بلکہ نماز حنفی آذان اور وضو کرنے سے سلام پھیرنے تک، نمازجمعہ، عیدین اور نماز جنازہ احادیث صحیحہ کے خلاف ھے، جنکی کی تفصیل درج ذیل ھے
1- اکہری آذان کے ساتھ دوھری اقامت کہنا (ایک طبقہ آذان کے ساتھ صلواۃ بھی پڑھتا ھے)
2- آذان کی دعا میں اضافہ (والدرجۃ الرفیعہ، وارزقنا شفاعته یوم القیمۃ) یہ الفاظ کسی بھی سند سے ثابت نہیں،
3- اقامت کے بعد زور سے حق لَآ اِلٰهَ اِلَّا اﷲُ کہنا،
4- وضو کی نیت نہ کرنا،
5- وضومیں ھر اعضاء دھونے کی الگ الگ دعا،
6- وضو میں چوتھائی سر کا مسح کرنا،
7- وضو میں الٹی ھتیلی سے گردن کا مسح، بازو پر ھاتھ پھیرنا اور انگلیوں کا خلال کرنا،
8- دو رکعت تخیۃ الوضو نہ پڑھنا
9- پگڑی پر مسح کا انکار،
10- جرابوں پر مسح کا انکار،
11-مٹی کے علاوہ دیگر چیزوں پر بھی تیمم کرنا،
12- دو رکعت تخیۃالمسجد نہ پڑھنا
13- مقتدی کا نیت اپنی زبان سے کرنا ، اور مولوی کا بغیر نیت امامت کرنا،
14- تکبیر تحریمہ میں انگوٹھے سے کانوں کو چھونا،
15- ھاتھ ناف کے نیچے باندھنا،
16- قیام میں پیر قبلہ رخ نہ کرنا،
17- جماعت میں دوسرے نمازی کے پیرسے پیر نہ جوڑنا اور صف میں خلاء پُر نہ کرنا،
18- امام کےپیچھے فاتحہ نہ پڑھنا، مکمل خاموش رھنا،
19-امام رکوع میں ھے یہ بھاگ کے جماعت میں شامل ھوں گے قیام نہیں کریں گے اور رکعت شمار کریں گے،
20- رکوع کے ساتھ رفع الیدین نہ کرنا،
21- تین رکعت اور چار رکعت کی نماز میں دو رکعت کے بعد رفع الیدین نہ کرنا،
22- سجدہ کو جاتے ھوئے زمین پر پہلے گھٹنے پھر ھاتھ پھر ناک اور پیشانی لگانا اور اُلٹی ترتیب سے واپس کھڑے ھونا،
23- دونوں سجدوں کے درمیان دعا نہ پڑھنا،
24- سجدہ زمین سے لگ کے کرنا یعنی زمین پر بازو بچھانا،
25- پہلی اور تیسری رکعت کے بعد پنجوں پر سیدھا کھڑا ھو جانا اور جلسہ استراحہ نہ کرنا،
26- جہری نمازوں میں آمین دل میں کہنا،
27- تین رکعت اور چار رکعت کی نماز میں دوسری رکعت کے تشہد میں درود شریف نہ پڑھنا،
28- سجدہ سہو میں ایک طرف سلام پھیر کے دو سجدے کرنا اور دوبارہ پورا التحیات پڑھنا،
29- تشہد میں اشہدُ اللہ پر انگلی اُٹھانا اور الا پر گرانا،
30- سجدہ میں دونوں پیروں کو نہ جوڑنا،
31- آخری رکعت کے تشہد میں تورک نہ کرنا،
32- پہلی جماعت ھو جائے تو دوسری جماعت نہ کرانا،
33- سُترہ کا احتمام نہ کرنا،
34- امام بھول جائے تو مقتدی کا سبحان اللہ کے بجائے اللہ اکبر کہنا،
35- اگر چار رکعت کی نماز میں امام بھول کے دو یا تین رکعت کے بعد سلام پھیر دے تو پوری نماز دوبارہ پڑھنا،
36- سلام پھیرتے ھوئے دونوں کندھے دیکھنا،
37- فرض نماز کے بعد اجتماعی دُعا کرنا،
38- فجر کی جماعت کے دوران صبح کی دو سنت ادا کرنا،
39- تین وتر میں قعدہ اولیٰ بیٹھنا (یعنی دو رکعت کے بعد بیٹھنا )
40- وتر میں قنوت کے ساتھ رفع الیدین کرنا،
41- خود ساختہ قنوت وتر *الّٰلھُمَّ اِنَّا نَسْتَعِیْنُکَ* پڑھنا
42- ساری زندگی تین وترایک سلام کے ساتھ پڑھنا،
43- جمعہ کی دو آذانیں دینا،
44- جمعہ کے خطبہ سے پہلے صرف چار اور جمعہ کے بعد آٹھ رکعت ادا کرنا،
45- جمعہ کا عربی اور اردو خطبہ الگ الگ کرنا، اور خطبہ بیٹھ کے دینا،
46- دیہات میں جمعہ کا انکار کرنا اور جمعہ کی نماز کے بعد احتیاطی ظہر کی نماز پڑھنا،
47- جمعہ کے خطبہ کے دوران دو رکعت تخیۃالمسجد کے بجائے چار سنت پڑھنا،
48- عیدالاضحیٰ اور عید الفطر کی نماز سے پہلے مسائل بیان کرنا،
49- عیدین کی چھ زائد تکبیریں کہنا،
50- پہلی رکعت میں تین تکبیریں قراْت سے پہلے اور دوسری رکعت میں قراْت سے بعد کہنا
51- زائد تکبیرات کے ساتھ رفع الیدین نہ کرنا،
52- عیدین کے دو خطبے دینا،
53- عیدین کے خطبہ کے لیئے ممبر استعمال کرنا
54- عیدین کی جماعت لیٹ کرانا،
55- عیدین کی نماز ھمیشہ مسجد میں ادا کرنا،
56- نماز جنازہ میں ثناء پڑھنا اور(وجلا ثنا ئك) کے خود ساختہ اضافہ کے ساتھ،
57- نماز جنازہ میں خود ساختہ درود پڑھنا،
58- مکمل صف توڑ کے صفوں کو طاق کرنا،
59- نماز جنازہ کے بعد جنازہ گاہ میں دعا کرنا،
60- جنازہ کے نمازیوں پر عرق گلاب ڈالنا،
61- نماز جنازہ کی تکبیرات کے ساتھ رفع الیدین نہ کرنا،
62- سفر میں دو نمازیں جمع نہ کرنا،
63- سفر میں فرض قصر کرنا اور سنت پوری پڑھنا،
64- فرض نماز کے بعد سر پکڑ کے دعا کرنا،
65- نابالغ کی امامت کا انکار کرنا،
66- عورت اور مرد کی نماز کے طریقہ میں فرق کرنا،
67- مغرب کی آذان کے بعد دورکعت نہ پڑھنا،
68- فجر اور مغرب کی نماز روشنی میں ادا کرنا،
69- ظہر اور عصر کو لیٹ پڑھنا،
70- جمعہ کی نماز کو لیٹ پڑھنا،
ابھی اور پوائینٹس کا اضافہ بھی ممکن ھے اور میں نے فقہ کے غلاظت سے بھرپور مسائل کو لکھنے سے اجتناب کیا ھے، خود سوچیں کیا سنت رسول ﷲ ﷺ کے خلاف نماز قبول ھو گی،
رسولﷺنےفرمایا صَلُّوا كَمَا رَأَيْتُمُونِي أُصَلِّي
نماز اسطرح پڑھو جیسے مجھے ادا کرتے ہوئے دیکھتے ہو. {صحيح البخاری، باب الأذان :631}
’’ مَنْ عَمِلَ عَمَلاً لَیْسَ عَلَیْہِ أمْرُنَا فَھُوَ رَدٌّ‘‘ [صحیح مسلم:3243]
’’جس نے کوئی ایسا کام کیا جو میرے طریقہ کے خلاف ہے تو ایسا کام مردود ھے۔‘‘
"من طلب العلم بالكلام تزندق." هذا قول طالب امامكم الذي تقلدوه: القاضي ابو يوسف رحمه الله، نقطه. لذلك فيما تدافعوا علمكم الكلام اليونانيين وآرائكم، تكونون كالذين حدثنا الله عنهم في سورة ال عمران في الاية السابعة، في قوله تعلى "فام الذين في قلوبهم زيغ فيتبعون ما تشابه منه ابتغاء الفتنة وابتغاء تأويله" ولذلك ما تودون الا ان تنتشروا الفتنة في الدين وان تتبعوا هواكم. توبوا الى الله واتقوه ما استطعتم
Salaam Alaikum.
Forgive me Sheikh if this has already been answered.
Can you show evidence how the Hanafis pray Witre Salah according to the Sunnah?
There are groups out there who are absolutely convinced the Hanafis are praying Witre Salah wrong.
Please can you clarify.
Jazak Allahu Khairan.
ruclips.net/video/ab0qEm58-8U/видео.html
Please check this channel itself. They have made comprehensive videos about it.
Imam ghazali was influenced by philosophy and tge philosophy came from the Greeks. Imam Ghazali recanted his original views.
Imame azam abu hanifa rahimahullah
Yet, you don't follow him in aqeedah. WHY BE ASHARI OR MATURIDI???!!! ABU HANEEFAH WAS NOT!!!
Why don't you debate them ?
Because they lie and have no integrity.
These people don't debate. They are too set in their ways and don't like being refuted especially to their face.
That is why they prefer uploading videos on RUclips and watch THEIR KEYBOARD WARRIOR'S FLOOD THE COMMENT SECTION WITH THEIR BLIND FOLLOWING OF THEM!!!
@@diyaa_ulqamar Wow calm down bro. You are the one flooding the comments. You're answering everything and everyone and then blaming others.
@@diyaa_ulqamar he put out many challenges on his Facebook page but not Salafi responded!
@Aby Rahman
Probably, he is not worth their time or effort to refute his petty accusations and claims.
Our prophet never told us to learn about Ilmul Kalam.He never taught Ilmul Kalam.
What are you going to argue about Islam !??
Why are you defending a bidat..!!??
So who’s gonna answer people like atheist, you have to go into theology and logic for them, you know that right. 💀
Knowledge north has put up a response to tour video... The fact that you only quoted half a statement of Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) is enough to expose your misguidance...
Why did you not show the complete statement??? Astagfirullah
knowledge north is a salafi. they take eveything literally which results in tashbih which is kufr. for example believing Allah is sitting on his throne. salafiyyah is a fitna that was spread by wahhabis from saudi arabia.
@@hasakicioguz9312 How is that relevant to my statement? The hanafi scholar purposely omitted a point that refutes him, yet you still blindly follow him. Why does he, for his own benefit, lie about Imam Abu Hanifa (ra)?
@@spawnnpwn4166 he will he also hides hanabila who did tafweed
@@nonameno5660 Were they from the salaf?
@@spawnnpwn4166 well yeah
Yes they did . You have been destroyed by abdirahman hassan .
Tarteeb you little farax. Don't take Abdi as a god. He's very fallible
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Yes. Yes the pious salaf condemmed it.
Lol 😂
Go look what imam shafi said@@nonameno5660
Abu Haneefah CONDEMNED ILM AL-KALAAM. [الإمام المكي، مناقب ابي حنيفة، رقم 183-184]
Loool u idiot
You didn't even watch the video but you've left a lot of comments. This shows you are an insincere box head.
There is no such thing called Salafi.
The group that calls themselves Salafi are actually wahhabi
@@Mukhtar_Al-Muhammad Oh yes, like Sheikh Albani. We should call them neo Salafis then.
@@Mukhtar_Al-Muhammad We shouldn't call them "salafis" because the term would mean they are actually following the salaf. They call themselves that, though they may not actually be following them. The group has also become extremely sectarian and taken the form of a cult.
@@Mukhtar_Al-Muhammad It's because we dont know if they are actually following the salaf or not. Just because they claim to follow them and call themselves salafi, we shouldn't accept it.
It's also a new innovated term. There are no sects in islam, so we should just call ourselves muslim without giving ourselves any label like salafi/ashari/maturidi/deobandi etc.
@@Mukhtar_Al-Muhammad But at the time of the sahaba there were Khawarijs as well as many munafiqs who prayed with them.
The sahaba continued calling themselves muslim, and didn't give themselves a new them.
I believe every madhhab and scholar today makes mistakes. So there should be no divisions. Only if they are non muslims like Qadiani, then we should give them that label
@@Mukhtar_Al-Muhammad We unite with all those who don't takfir us, just call ourselves muslim. Even among the barelvis and wahhabis there are people who want to unite and not do this blanket takfir.
If they call us kafir they will be the actual kafirs on the day of judgement as there is a sahih hadith about this.
Muhammad Yasir Al hanafi was answered by a salafi shaikh and i don't see any response from Yasir to that salafi shaikh
@Zaid Khan
No need to answer each and every individual. Atleast he can answer opposite scholars who debunked his complete series lectures in detailed.
Nobody gave him any worthy answer that was worth further responding to
@Zaid Khan
One salafi shaikh from England gave him proper answer refuting his every quote one by one lecture by lecture.
This shaikh must respond him atleast
@@rationalmind3785 first and foremost my beloved brother out beloved nabi kareem was very very very heart warming in nature going from his seerah. If Nabi s.a.w was here today you tell me please my beloved brother do you think that Nabi s.a.w would have approved of this name that you have attached yourself to? To you maybe you can turn around and say to me "what's the big deal it's only a RUclips name" however Nabi s.a.w. was very sensitive in these matters aswell.
Second of all my beloved brother shaykh Yasir al hanafi sahib does not really need to respond in all honesty. Silence makes you much more stronger.
Who's the salafi sheikh ? Why hide his name
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Just a simple question: WHO ARE THE SALAF?
And a simple answer: Prophet and his sahabah, the taabi'oon, and taabi' at-tabi'een. خير قرني ثم الذين يلونهم ثم الذين يلونهم
These three generations form the سلف Salaf. Anyone after this are called the خلف khalaf. Prophet NOR his companions ADVOCATED FOR 'ILM IL-KALAAM OR FALSAFA DESPITE HAVING ACCESS TO IT. THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH AS AN EVIDENCE TO NOT USE IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T. NEITHER DID THE SAHABA TEACH IT TO THEIR STUDENTS AND SO ON!!!
THE QURAN AND SUNNAH IS ENOUGH AS EVIDENCES TO REFUTE OPPOSITION!!!
And the argument "they didn't need KALAAM then because only later new groups started emerging" IS FALSE!!!
This statement ACCUSES THE PROPHET OF NOT TELLING US EVERYTHING WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW TO ADVANCE THE RELIGION.
LIKE THE HADITH SAYS. I LEFT YOU WITH TWO THINGS. IF YOU HOLD ON THEM, YOU WONT GO ASTRAY. SO HOLD ON TO THE QURAN AND THE SUNNAH!!!
@@diyaa_ulqamar
There was no need of harakat, but now we use it, there was no need of nahw and sarf, (Arabic grammar) but now we learn it, there was no need of usoolul hadith or usoolul fiqh etc, now there is a need.
These are needed to study the sciences.
Your argument is "Kalam is needed to understand Allah, the world, Quran and sunnah, etc. THIS IS FALSE.
First of all, QURAN CAN EXPLAIN ITSELF. BUT THE AMBIGUOUS AYAAT, THE SUNNAH EXPLAINS THEM SUCH AS HOW TO PRAY!!!
SO IT STILL STANDS IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU ARE ACCUSING THE PROPHET OF LYING, والعياذ بالله and Allah's refuge is sought!!!
@@diyaa_ulqamar
Kalam is needed to refute the misguided people who use kalam to prove their point, or use kalam in the wrong manner
the hindu country india would of been destroyed if the past salafs were alive rn so what r u wahabis doing for this?
Ibn Hajar al-Haythami( a well-known sunni scholar) Ibn Taymiyyah was an innovator, deviated and ignorant
Ibn Hajar al-Haythami
Ibn Taymiyyah is a person who has been made infamous, blind, deaf and contemptible and the very fact has also been endorsed by the Imams who have mentioned his being a Fasid and a lair. Whoever wants to know him, should peruse the literature of Abi Hassan bin Subki al-Mujtahid, on whose Imamate, glory, and rank touching the limits of Ijtihad, there is an agreement, and of his son Taj and Shaykh Imam Al-Azz bin Jama and of the scholars amongst the Shafiyees, Malikis and Hanafis of his era. Ibn Tamiyah did not restrict himself to objecting over the later Sufies but he also raised objections against Umar bin al-Khattab and Ali bin Abi Talib. The summary is, that there is no worth of his writing, in fact they should be thrown into a abyss and belief should be held about him that he was an innovator, deviated, ignorant and the one who did Ghlu and may Allah deal with him through His justice and may keep us away from his beliefs and acts, Ameen.
Sunni source:Al-Fatawa al-Hadithya by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, pages 114-115
radicals on both sides are just dump
do you like to eat the flesh of an alim?
Ibn Hajar al-Haythamee was Ashari. His condemnation of Ibn Taymiyyah was based on AQEEDAH. The Asharis falsely accused Ibn Taymiyyah of antropmorphism (tajseem) due to the ASHARI INFLUENCE IN IBN TAYMIYYAH'S TIME!!!
IBN HAJAR AL-HATHAYMEE'S CONDEMNATION IS NOT JUSTIFIED!!!
@@diyaa_ulqamar
i know the quarrel, and weather you are on his side or not, i am maturidi myself, there so benefit in eating the poisonous flesh of an alim
I wish you had read any of his books, ibn taymiyah is a mujtahid of his time.
@@muhammedtrawally1798 Ibn Taymiyyah is a Khabeeth and he was not upon the way of the Salaaf.
* Did the Salaaf consider anything other than Allah to be Eternal without a beginning? No, but Ibn Taymiyyah did!
* Did the Salaaf believe that Allahu ta'ala contradicted himself in his Kitaab? No, but ibn Taymiyyah did!
* Did the Salaaf think that events happen in the self/dhaat of Allah ? No but Ibn Taymiyyah did!
*Did the Salaaf think that the Kalaam/Speech of Allah stops, goes, composed of parts and in languages? No, but Ibn Taymiyyah did!
*Did the Salaaf think that Hellfire will come to an end? No, but Ibn Taymiyyah did !
*Did the Salaaf accuse our Master 'Aliyy ibn Abi Talib عليه السلام of fighting for rulership or question the validity of his Islam?
No, but ibn Taymiyyah did!
*Did the Salaaf accuse our Lady Fatimah عليها السلام of hypocrisy? No, but ibn Taymiyyah did!
And much more can be mentioned about that devil and the sunnah that he is upon versus the Sunnah of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama'ah!
Ibn Taymiyyah used it to REFUTE the mutakallim. To throw their own arguments of ilm il-kalam back at them.
The brother should of CLARIFIED THAT IBN TAYMIYYAH USED THE "KALAAM" OF RATIONAL THINKING AND AQL. WHILE IBN TAYMIYYAH'S OPPOSERS USED THE BLAMEWORTHY ILM IL-KALAAM!!!
Ibn taymiah is not hujjah
Ibn Taymia is not from the Salaf
@@abyrahman6610 right
The book he mentioned in the video by Ibn Taymiyyah says it contains ilm al kalam. Ibn Taymiyyah used THEIR OWN ARGUMENTS AGAINST THEM to refute their KALAM which opposed the sunnah.
IBN TAYMIYYAH IS ATHARI WHICH MEANS HE WILL REFER TO THE SALAF!!
@Aby Rahman
In which case, Ibn Taymiyyah is a hujjah because he brings the aqwaal of the salaf!!! Have you read his books!!!
The blameworthy ilm il-kalaam is THAT WHICH OPPOSES THE QURAN AND SUNNAH!!! AS IN IF THERE IS EVIDENCE IN THE QURAN AND SUNNAH, ILM UL-KALAAM IS REJECTED!!!
What do you think Ilm ul Kalam is?
To use the aql and draw conclusions!!!
If Quran and Sunnah say something then ilm al kalam is rejected. This is why IT IS A MUST TO BE GROUNDED IN QURAN TAFASEER AND AHADITH FIRST BECAUSE YOU MAY SAY SOMETHING THAT IT AGAINST THE KITAB AND SUNNAH!!!
@@diyaa_ulqamar I think a conflict chart is useful in these scenarios.
@@diyaa_ulqamar Did you not watch the video?
This insincere box head didn't even watch the video. I notice that a lot with these guys. They leave comments and it's obvious they didn't even have the decency to watch the video.
stop it. get some help. kalam is bad.
The purpose of ilm al kalaam is to prove the veracity of the Quran and sunnah, how then can it be said that there is kalaam which is praiseworthy and one which is blameworthy.
The salaf were clear and general in their condemnation of ilm al kalaam.
The mu'tazila and jahmiyyah utilized their form of "kalaam" to prove the veracity of the Quran and sunnah as they saw fit, what is your standard to say that they utilized a blameworthy type of kalaam, whilst your group's utilization of it is praiseworthy?
If you were to say that yours is more rational with definitive proofs, they would claim the same and demonstrate it just as well.
Another proof that the salaf were general in their condemnation, and that the kalaam groups of today fall into the same condemnation as the groups of old, is that the current day groups still hold positions in which the salaf condemned in the past.
The meaning of Kalam has changed over ages. The Kalam at the time of Mu'tazila meant something different than what it means today.
Today Kalam just means logic and reasoning.
Mind marking the difference akhi?
The mu'razila and jahmiyyah epistemically are basically the same as the Asha'ira, they differ on what they consider a "definite rational proof". The asha'ira borrow a lot of what they have from the mu'tazlia, an example is Burhān al-Tatbīq’ to disprove an infinite regress in the past.
My point akhi is that the salaf's condemnation of "ilm al kalaam" was because of the conclusions which were made. These conclusions are what the salaf saw as "going against the Quran and sunnah". Otherwise there wouldn't be a problem. The fact that you see the same condemned positions being taken by the Asha'ira, pove my point that the kalaam practiced today is blameworthy.
@@wardah9710 Asharis don't reject the revelation. That's the difference.
Mutazila and Jahmiyya used to reject parts of the revelation just because it didn't suit their Aql. This is what Imam Shafi spoke against.
Asharis use Kalam to prove the Quran and revealed texts, not to argue against it. The problem with neo salafis/wahhabis today is that they take the texts literally without using any logic, and this is what leads to serious problems in Aqeedah.
The same can be claimed about the Asha'ira. What do you mean by the word "reject"? The mu'tazilla would be considered muta'awil in their position regarding some parts of the quran and sunnah. Some did try to change the words of the quran to match their creed (example: Moses speaking to Allah and not vice-versa), but that wasn't the majority. They would also pull the khabr wahīd card and say the narration from the sunnah is in doubt.
What you say is rejection of revelation is what they would consider tanzīh. Please bring me a quote from their imams where they clearly state this type of rejection.
@@wardah9710 for example, The Jahmiyya for example say that Allah does not have a hand. That is a rejection of the text.
Asharis don't claim that. Asharis just don't take the literal meaning of "hand" as the salafis/wahhabis do, rather they leave the meaning to Allah.