Ash'aris VS Ibn Taymiyyah | Allah's Attribute of Speech - Sh. Saeed Fodeh
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JazaKallah Khairan brother
the shaykh made a very good point from 18:13, people have gotten soft with refutations which is why falsehood and ignorance is slipping into our midst, may Allah guide us All.
Eid Mubarak Brother.
Very true.
Facts
I cannot stress the importance of these videos being translated to english. The english speaking muslim world needs these videos to clarify the deceptive behaviour of the najdiyya. Any layman who comes across the najdi dawah will not know the difference between right and wrong. Our lions of Ahlus Sunnah must be vocal against the mindless objections made by the pseudo salafis. May Allah preserve you and allow you to keep producing this content. Jazakhallah.
hahahaha asharis believe the quran is created
JazakAllahu khayran brother, I hop you’re well insha Allah, sheikh Sa’id Fodah (hafidhahu lLah) looks like the Mujjadid of our era ma sha Allah.
What a great job you are doing. Please continue and font stop.
Good stuff bro. Keep the videos coming.
بارك الله فيكم، والله يحفظ الشيخ سعيد
Asalaamu alaikum. Sidi i hope you are well in shaa Allah. Taqabalallahu minna wa minkum. Aameen
Wassalam, Eid Mubarak, Sidi
Ma sha Allāh (ﷻ) such long 5 minutes 😂 ♥️ very beneficial jazakumullahu khairan
Yo great videos coming ahead... Can sense it sidi.
Btw I'd Mubarak
And also beat that mujassim who accused you on YT.
The following youtube video is complementary to this video - " *Al-Aqidah Al-Tahawiyyah - Lesson 3, Session 3/3 - Ibn Taymiyyah and Infinite Regress (تسلسل)* ".
Thank you
As much as I disagree with the Salafis, this here is a major claim and Shaykh here didn't really give any sources, the one he gave us almost unattainable... Hopefully someone can find some sources somewhere, or even better hopefully Ibn Taymiyyah is free of such things
Please search on youtube - " *Al-Aqidah Al-Tahawiyyah - Lesson 3, Session 3/3 - Ibn Taymiyyah and Infinite Regress (تسلسل)* ".
majmoo al fatawa vol 12
the speech of Allah.
Lame "shaikh" talking nonsense
Alhamdulillah. Thank you for such clear explanation. Avoid Wahabbist and Taymiyyun at any cost !
Maashallaaah Great Job. Muhammad Umar. Jazaakallaahu kheiran
Except that Ibn Taymiyyah and the Mu'tazila disagreed on khalaqul Qur'an entirely.
Fodeh himself says the Qur'an is makhluq, and that there are two Qur'ans, the one with us on this Earth and the one kept with Allah, and that the one with us is created and the one with Allah is uncreated.
Rather, if he didnt strawman, he'd know that Ibn Taymiyyah specifically said that the Qur'an is muhdath but not makhluq, and would know his full logical reasoning of it. and that the attribute of speech is qadeem, just like the attribute of Al-Khaaliq is qadeem. -
The attribute of speech is not contingent on the existence of said speech just like the attribute of creation is not contingent of the existence of said creation, but whatever, keep strawmanning the position of Ibn Taymiyyah (And lalakaa'i, who said the Qur'an was qadeem yet muhdath, meaning contingent yet uncreated!) - this is actually what Ibn Taymiyyah levied against Al-Ash'ari to show his inconsistency in reasoning, because if Al-Ash'ari was alive at the time, he would either have to say that the attribute of Al-Khaaliq was not always with Allah, or he would have to say "Well it is relating to Allah's ability" admitting that Allah's speech can also relate to Allah's ability.
If saeed fodeh actually researched the position of Ibn Taymiyyah, he would see that:
Both of them agree on the attribute of speech being qadeem
Both of them agree that the Qur'an on this earth is not Qadeem (i.e. it is contingent)
And what they would differ on would be:
The Qur'an on this earth also being created (which is what fodeh says)
That there is a different Qur'an held within Allah (kalam nafsi) which is qadeem (fodeh also says this)
My evidence that fodeh admits that the asha'irah say the Qur'an is makhluq (which Bin Hanbal would takfir him over):
ruclips.net/video/yORjwdKWb5o/видео.html
Indeed, either he is purposefully concealing Ibn Taymiyyah's true position, or he is ignorant of it entirely.
To negate contingency from Allah's actions is to negate freewill from Allah. It is to say every action of Allah is necessary and he could not done otherwise. Whereas Allah clearly states in the Quran he could have willed otherwise. Therefore Allah has complete control of his ability to speak what he wills.
No Ashari says that there are 2 Qurans, you must have missunderstood Dal and Madlool. If you take a picture of a flower, that doesn´t mean there are 2 flowers. If you make 10000 copies of this picture, there still is only one flower. If you print 1000 qurans, and you say that you have 1000 qurans, that woudn´t be wrong, if you mean by quran physical copies of the quran, but there is only 1 Quran. So quran you print is created, but the quran, which would be God´s speech isn´t created. That is as far as I understood the position of the asharies
@@tarekel-ali2682 As much as I respect your opinion, the Ashari position according to your own scholars is, the Arabic Quran is Makhlooq (created). Therefore there is now a created Quran and an uncreated Quran. You do believe in 2 Qurans. One on this earth and one that is eternal with Allah. If you want quotes of Ashari scholars clearly stating the Quran is a creation, I'll be happy to do. However, it shows a lack of knowledge on your part.
well coming back to the flowers, it is as if you would say there is two flowers, because one is composed of cells, the other is composed of pixels @@virtualwanderer
It's good Ahlus Sunnah (Asharis maturidis and true atharis) are now posting content in English against the pseudo salafi/athari movement. They dominated content in English world due to massive Petro dollar funding, but in Arabic world, we kept them quite at bay. Now we are coming at the English world
I don't know much, but it seems they are dominant in the Arabic speaking world among the common people. The common people from Arabs only know Albani and Ibn taymiyya and a few modern najdi people. That's literally the only names of scholars they ever even heard of.
Friends of mine from Tunisia Egypt etc. Just my observation
Haqq! I embraced Islaam 5 years ago. During my first 2 years of Islam, I used to be a salafi. The salafis are indeed very vocal and are appealing to the people who are not intellectually stimulating.
But then I went on jamaat and there was a student from a darul uloom and he taught me what it meant to be ahlus sunnah wal jamaa-ah and he corrected my aqeedah. Alhamdullilah, Allah placed the right people in my life. One of my friends from Egypt once asked me if the Quran was created or not, so I told him that it is created. He then informed me of the story of Imam Ibn Hambal. Long story short: I mad toubat from being salafi and now I'm a shafii in fiqh, Ash'ari and Marturidi in Aqeedah and I'm inclined to Chisti tareeqah of tassowuf. I used to criticise the sufis, but now I enjoy sitting in their company.
One website that helped me alot is islamqa.org and especially the online courses on Seekersguidance.org
I came to realise that Ibn Taymiyyah is nothing (in the sense he can be overlooked, he's too controversial, fringe scholar) and Al Albani tried to reinvent the wheel by regrading ahadith and having no respect for the integrity of ahadith books (breaks them up into Sahih fulan, daif fulan and so on).
I now realise that being Ghair Muqalid is a gamble: this can lead to baatil Ibaadah: empty actions because of following nafs and not referring to ulama. And I now understand that daif ahadith can be used for fada-il amal and "weak" ahadith is not the same as "fabricated".
Also, Salafis are extremely and critically ignorant because most of them take almost all of their knowledge from "Sahih Sitta", but there are numerous other authentic ahadith that are not in "Sahih Sitta". Anything that is not authentic according to their limited understand is automatically a bidah!
If they do their research well enough, they'll see that we have strong enough evidences.
@@anilhugoabdulhaqwilliams4613
Deoband Recognised Wahabi movement and thier Founders were greatly influenced by Muhammad ibn Abdul wahab.
Sucj as Deobandi founders Rashid Ghanghoi and others scholars.
Tablighi jamat famous Scholar Maulana Tariq masood praised Priased Muhammad ibn abdul wahab and said he revive True Islam In Saudi Arabia and eliminated Shirk bidah and because of this Oppostion Slanders fake accusations on Muhammad ibn abdul wahab and Also Maulana Tariq masood said Allah is on arsh as mentioned in Quran and we are not Maturidi or Ashari(they are good in old time not now)
Deoband got huge Petro dollars from Saudi Arabia and Got huge influenced from them.
You can watch his videos on RUclips but he is a Urdu speaker.
I am saying ground reality of Tablighi jamat in India.
Deoband and Ahle hadith attacks Sunni Barelvis beacause of their Sufi Beliefs.
@@thescience9126 simply watch the Hanafi Fiqh.channel. they are.deobandi who clearly refute.pseudo salafis (so called ahl Hadith).
@@anilhugoabdulhaqwilliams4613 what is “sahih sitta”
No such thing
Do you mean kutub sitta?
The fact that you said Ibn Taiymiyyah is nothing , did you not read “al-Radd al-Waafir ‘ala man za’ama anna man sammaa Ibn Taymiyah Shaykh al-Islam kaafir” by Shaykh Ibn Naasir al-Deen al-Dimashqi in it he mentions more than 80 Imams who referred to Ibn Taiymiyyah as “Shaykh al-Islam”
Are they nothing too?
By the way , to earn that title you have be KNOWLEDGEABLE IN ALL AREAS
What will you say now?
Also what is wrong with al-Albani grading hadiths?
How does that show disrespect?
In fact, do you want the fabricated narrations of the Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) to go unchecked?????
Are you saying the authors of those books are infallible??
Imam ash Shafi said
“Only Allah’s Book is perfect and free from error.”
(Narrated by al-Khatib in Mudih Awham al Jam’wal-Tafriq 1:6)
I ask you to fear Allah
Do you consider al-Ghazali to be greater than Shaykh al-Islam?
Can you post more about Athari Aqidah and things such as their affirmation of harf and sawt etc
Whats harf and sawt
@@amarnahad2835 Sarf is Sound and Harf is Letters.
Don't forget that Hanabilah meant Sawt and Harf by what is heard. I have seen this quote of Ibn Qudamah al-Maqdisi رحمه الله. It says that "what is heard".
JazakAllah khair bro this is huge work. Great job man
Woe to Ibn taymiya 4 his theory of Quranic literalism.
اسلام علیکم
I am from Pakistan and cannot understand arabic. Yet we face these topics and issues very commonly. May Allah have mercy and bless the Shaykh for his sermon and the brother who puts subtitles on the video. Without the subtitles i wouldn't be able to comprehend anything. MUCH prayers for your efforts.
وعلیکم السلام
جزاک اللہ
Need references to those statements by ibn taymiyyah
Most of saying of Ibn Taymiyyah is in Majmoo‘ al-Fatawa Vol. 12 about the Speech of Allah سبحانه وتعالى.
Ibn taymiyyah limited the hands of Allah to having 2 hands 🙌
14:20و
15:40 kalam niswan
16:45
13:58
اللهم صل وسلم على سيدنا ومولانا محمد عبدك ورسولك النبي الأمي وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم
This is a lie. A disgusting blatant lie. Ibn Taymiyyah held the Qur'an to be Qadim but not in the sense Ashari's do. Ibn Taymiyyah states the Qur'an is the eternal and uncreated speech of Allah, as mentioned in his book 'Tar Al Ta'rud Wal Naql' and just as Imam Al Bukhari states in Khalq Af'al Al 'Ibad. He does not use the term 'Qadim' as Imam Ahmad and those before him did not use this term nor the term 'Hawadith'.
حسبنا الله ونعم الوكيل.
Subhan’Allah wallah I'm bewildered at this, how could he misquote another scholar to this extent? Ibn Taymiyyah repeated the same phrase as Sufyan Ath - Thawri and those before him. Allah does as He wills! Hasbun'Allah. Wallah shocking.
Do you have the Arabic quote from Ibn Taymiyyah?
The ashari creed is difficult. Ibn Taymiyahs opinions are easy to understand.
What's the dalil for claiming "the Quran is kalamullah al-Qadim"?
don't ask Ashaira for daleel. They are lame. Will only give you philosophical gymnastics
The scholars of the Salaf declare the Quran to be uncreated and whoever claims it to be created is a disbeliever such as Imam Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafii, and Ahmad ibn Hanbal.
ترجم حلقات عبد القادر حسين هه وكفى تهجماً على إبن تيمية هه
أعوذ بالله أن أكون من الجاهلين. هداكم الله
What is u talking about.
He is lying about Ibn Taymiyyah that according to him Allaah CREATES His Speech within Himself by his Will and Power. This is NOT at all the view of Ibn Taymiyyah. Ibn Taymiyyah says only Allaah does Speak by His Will and Power, He does not say CREATES His Speech, rather Ibn Taymiyyah says the Speech of Allaah is UNCREATED.
What a lier this ashari! Just be honest.
As for the ashari position than they have many problems in their view on kalaam:
the difference here is that the Kullaabi Ash'aris say the Qur'an is eternal (qadeem) and this saying was the innovation of Ibn Kullaab (d. 240) - and what they mean by this is very different to what Ahl us-Sunnah say that the Qur'an is from Allaah's knowledge, it is Allaah's knowledge, which is eternal and Allaah spoke the Qur'an as and when He willed, so this is different to what is intended by the Kullaabiyyah that the Qur'an is "qadeem" since they have an innovated definition for "Kalaam" - and Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari, when he sat in the circles of the Kullaabis, he blindly followed this saying. And they hold Allaah's Kalaam is an attribute of the essence (sifah dhaatiyyah) only and is not a sifah fi'liyyah, meaning it is not tied to his will and power. And this poses a huge problem for them, because it means - and refuge is from Allaah - that when Allaah spoke in eternity (according to them) with His Kalaam Nafsee, "Allaah has indeed heard the saying of she who disputes ..." (Mujaadilah 58:1), it means Allaah is not telling the truth - because how can Allaah have already heard she who disputes when she who disputes is not even in existence yet? And likewise with the verse, "Allaah has indeed heard the saying of those who said, "Indeed Allaah is poor and we are rich!" (Aali Imraan 3:181) - was Allaah telling the truth in eternity, before those who said this were even created - because this is supposed to be the eternal meaning that resides with Allaah's self, and is not speech tied to Allaah's will and power, according to them. So when the Kullaabi Ash'aris deny that Allaah's speech is tied to His will, repugnant sayings and implications are necessitated.
I'm a neutral observer here, but you said "how can Allah hear she who disputes when she is not even in existence yet?"
But is Allah not the eternal, ever-living, and all-knowing? By this I mean that Allah has always existed with full knowledge of all things. So how can you even ask such a question, very bizarre...
@@----f It is not about knowing. Its about hearing. When someone is not yet in existance and no sound of the person is yet in existance. There is nothing to be heard from him in his bodily form as the person is not eternal.
Yes Allaah KNOWS that He will hear such a sound. Thats not the matter, because that is knowledge.
of course either he is lying or doesn't understand what Ibn Tamiyah is talking about or both. Welcome to Ashairis
Big jahil. Doesn't even understand what Ibn Tamiyah was saying. Straw manning him and using insulting language on the Minbar. Dozens of things about Ashaira which they don't dare to speak openly and they say "only to be discussed within our study circles". Endless debate. Believe whatever you like.
Inta jahil.