Sorry Ben if my comment is too long. I share my experience as a beginner, using times as a reference. I go to the circuit to have fun. Usually I start one or two laps warming up, 3-4 fast, 1 cool down, 3-4 fast, another cool down and off I go. Like this from four to six times (about 42 to 56 laps in a day). I choose the fastest 10/12 with those times and draw conclusions from my notes. The appropriate thing would be to do it with different wheels, but on the same day same conditions. I'm sure you drive better, your car is also much more powerful and that influences how long they take to warm up, and my experience is with a harder compound, the Tw 240. As I explained from that time (5 to 5.5) between 1.5 and 2.5 seconds it is almost certain that they come from the disconnection of electronics, in my car it is very intrusive and the truth is that I never dared to disconnect the electronics with the UHP+. On the other hand, I'm sure I know the circuit better, I have more confidence in the car's reaction and I get through the critical spots better than before with the UHP+. Nice feeling Zestino's Grdege 07R on the circuit, they behave clearly better than the two UHP+ that I have taken on the circuit. Considering price and wear so far, they are a good option for beginners or just looking for a some fun laps.
I am a beginner, I have used the R 240tw 4 times on the circuit (about 600 km) and 2600 km on the road. I had never used semi slick. Size 245/40 R18 car jaguar (275Cv) Xf DS with statge 1 basic preparation of disc brakes and pads, stabilizers, non-track and powerflex sports one-track coilover suspension. I have managed to improve between 5 and 5.5 seconds compared to some UHP+ on the same circuit on different days with road tires (bridgestone potenza sport, four times on the circuit and Pz4 twice). With the Zestino Gredge R 240tw, I under 2 minutes on many occasions At the moment my best time is 1.58.30. With the others I did not go below 2.03.00. It is also true that now I do it somewhat better and that with the Zestino I completely disconnect the electronic controls, I estimate that this has given me between 1.5 and 2.5 seconds because with the controls on and the Zestino I have not been able to improve from 2.00.20. But the important thing for me is no times, it's how the car feels, the difference in corners, precision, braking is important. With the Zestino you can concentrate much more on the track, have fun and give it gas. If you get on a "piano" or go through a chicane, the differences between one tire and the other are clearly noticeable. Wear on four tracks about 600km on a smaller circuit than the previously used road Pzero and Potenza Sport. Comparison with other semislicks because I don't know, they are my first and before buying them I looked for information. I am very satisfied because they have met my expectations at a very reasonable price (less than the road ones and less than the alternatives that I look at in Nakang, Federal, Yoko, Toyo. They warm up in a couple of laps and they stay quite well when they get hot, so if you control the pressure, Zestino recommended me for a super heavy car like mine, once you've done a few laps, keep them warm. Take care not exceed 2.5 Bars (36PSI). and not go below 2.2 if I wanted them to last me (32PSI) longer with good performance. Between 2.0 and 2.2 something more could be achieved in performance, but accelerating wear. When they exceed 2.8-2.9 bars when hot, a worsening is noted (40-42 PSI) The tire behaves very well at the limit without any unpleasant surprises and if you step on it before it's warm you notice that it doesn't go as well but it doesn't fail either. From what I think it is very interesting both for beginners like me and for more experienced ones who are not looking for the last second and are interested in something good at a reasonable price. On the Road: I don't think it's a road tire, I don't take it beyond going to and from the circuit and I'm going this week and again in 15 days so I don't feel like dismounting. But in the long term I don't wear that if I have to admit that it's going much better than I expected. Relatively quiet at 130 km/h on the highway it makes a soft circular noise worse than some on the highway but nothing exaggerated. Consumption on the highway at sustained speed, comparing the same sections of about 110 km, is barely two three tenths worse than some PZ4 or Goodyear assimetric 5 and one or two tenths better than some bridgestone potenza sport. The level of comfort is somewhat lower than the previous three on the road, very close to the potenza, which is the least comfortable of the last three on the road that I have driven. When driving on a cold mountain section, the potenza, which is a sports tire with very good grip, surpasses it, but as soon as it warms up, if you keep up the pace, it reverses, behind Pz4 and further behind the Goodyear. Finally, in the rain they behave very correctly, the three commented wagons outperform them, especially the Potenza Sport, which I think could be a good tire for amateurs on a track in the rain, because I did the test in the rain and got practically the same sensations and times as in the dry with a very high grip including scandalous braking on a soaked track. Going back to the Zestino's, if you don't go fast, don't make strange threats, even if it's all wet, now the accumulations of water are worse, the braking distance in an emergency with wet ground at 100, 80, 60 and 30km/h is quite good, I have the impression that it is close to PZ4 and assimetric especially at 60 and 30, nothing to do with Potenza sport this last one is the king in the water. The Zestino's wet cornering grip is also quite correct. Therefore, it is a tire that if the rain surprises you when you return from the circuit, you can return without problem and without fear, simply with some caution, but due to the differences, I honestly believe that it is better to reserve it to return from the circuit and enjoy inside.
I didn’t know you could write comments that long. Yeah I did not see a 5+ second difference in lap times. But I could cut fast laps back to back over a session. I can get a UHP+ within a couple seconds lap time but only for 1 or at max 2 laps. Then the tire will fall off fast. I wish I could get 5 seconds out of them. It would put my fast time at the top of the sheet.
Thanks for the review, always interesting to hear your thoughts about (cheap) tires. I'll be trying out the Federal RS-Pro's (225/45/17) this summer on a standard street car. I'm really curious how it stacks up compared to more expensive tires.
this might be old - but I have the 595 RS-PRO's on my 306 GTI-6 and they are very good! Great feedback and handling, good grip yet not too sticky - exactly what i was looking for in an old hot hatch. Looking now into these Zestinos as I can't find Federals anymore - have you tried the Zestinos by chance?
I tried the zestinos 07R in 255 35 18 on my 500 hp evo. Mixed feelings. I liked the initial 100 miles grip. After a few head cycles they lost a bit of confidence u could say. At the end their life, i had a vertical run(what ever u call it) on my front axle coming from the tires. In europe they lost quite a few retailers too. One told me, they had quality problems. That confirms my experience. I like the way u marked your tires. Did the same on mine 😅 Btw . Do you guys have the yokohama A052 in the US? Pretty much the top dog of semi slicks nowdays.
Yes you could easily daily the tires. I do not think they hold up better RT660 or federal. The 07R do hold up better. But the “S” will not. If the price was the same between all three tires I would pick RT660.
Sorry Ben if my comment is too long.
I share my experience as a beginner, using times as a reference. I go to the circuit to have fun. Usually I start one or two laps warming up, 3-4 fast, 1 cool down, 3-4 fast, another cool down and off I go. Like this from four to six times (about 42 to 56 laps in a day). I choose the fastest 10/12 with those times and draw conclusions from my notes. The appropriate thing would be to do it with different wheels, but on the same day same conditions. I'm sure you drive better, your car is also much more powerful and that influences how long they take to warm up, and my experience is with a harder compound, the Tw 240.
As I explained from that time (5 to 5.5) between 1.5 and 2.5 seconds it is almost certain that they come from the disconnection of electronics, in my car it is very intrusive and the truth is that I never dared to disconnect the electronics with the UHP+. On the other hand, I'm sure I know the circuit better, I have more confidence in the car's reaction and I get through the critical spots better than before with the UHP+.
Nice feeling Zestino's Grdege 07R on the circuit, they behave clearly better than the two UHP+ that I have taken on the circuit. Considering price and wear so far, they are a good option for beginners or just looking for a some fun laps.
I am a beginner, I have used the R 240tw 4 times on the circuit (about 600 km) and 2600 km on the road. I had never used semi slick. Size 245/40 R18 car jaguar (275Cv) Xf DS with statge 1 basic preparation of disc brakes and pads, stabilizers, non-track and powerflex sports one-track coilover suspension.
I have managed to improve between 5 and 5.5 seconds compared to some UHP+ on the same circuit on different days with road tires (bridgestone potenza sport, four times on the circuit and Pz4 twice). With the Zestino Gredge R 240tw, I under 2 minutes on many occasions At the moment my best time is 1.58.30. With the others I did not go below 2.03.00. It is also true that now I do it somewhat better and that with the Zestino I completely disconnect the electronic controls, I estimate that this has given me between 1.5 and 2.5 seconds because with the controls on and the Zestino I have not been able to improve from 2.00.20.
But the important thing for me is no times, it's how the car feels, the difference in corners, precision, braking is important. With the Zestino you can concentrate much more on the track, have fun and give it gas. If you get on a "piano" or go through a chicane, the differences between one tire and the other are clearly noticeable.
Wear on four tracks about 600km on a smaller circuit than the previously used road Pzero and Potenza Sport. Comparison with other semislicks because I don't know, they are my first and before buying them I looked for information. I am very satisfied because they have met my expectations at a very reasonable price (less than the road ones and less than the alternatives that I look at in Nakang, Federal, Yoko, Toyo.
They warm up in a couple of laps and they stay quite well when they get hot, so if you control the pressure, Zestino recommended me for a super heavy car like mine, once you've done a few laps, keep them warm. Take care not exceed 2.5 Bars (36PSI). and not go below 2.2 if I wanted them to last me (32PSI) longer with good performance. Between 2.0 and 2.2 something more could be achieved in performance, but accelerating wear. When they exceed 2.8-2.9 bars when hot, a worsening is noted (40-42 PSI)
The tire behaves very well at the limit without any unpleasant surprises and if you step on it before it's warm you notice that it doesn't go as well but it doesn't fail either. From what I think it is very interesting both for beginners like me and for more experienced ones who are not looking for the last second and are interested in something good at a reasonable price.
On the Road:
I don't think it's a road tire, I don't take it beyond going to and from the circuit and I'm going this week and again in 15 days so I don't feel like dismounting. But in the long term I don't wear that if I have to admit that it's going much better than I expected. Relatively quiet at 130 km/h on the highway it makes a soft circular noise worse than some on the highway but nothing exaggerated. Consumption on the highway at sustained speed, comparing the same sections of about 110 km, is barely two three tenths worse than some PZ4 or Goodyear assimetric 5 and one or two tenths better than some bridgestone potenza sport.
The level of comfort is somewhat lower than the previous three on the road, very close to the potenza, which is the least comfortable of the last three on the road that I have driven. When driving on a cold mountain section, the potenza, which is a sports tire with very good grip, surpasses it, but as soon as it warms up, if you keep up the pace, it reverses, behind Pz4 and further behind the Goodyear.
Finally, in the rain they behave very correctly, the three commented wagons outperform them, especially the Potenza Sport, which I think could be a good tire for amateurs on a track in the rain, because I did the test in the rain and got practically the same sensations and times as in the dry with a very high grip including scandalous braking on a soaked track. Going back to the Zestino's, if you don't go fast, don't make strange threats, even if it's all wet, now the accumulations of water are worse, the braking distance in an emergency with wet ground at 100, 80, 60 and 30km/h is quite good, I have the impression that it is close to PZ4 and assimetric especially at 60 and 30, nothing to do with Potenza sport this last one is the king in the water. The Zestino's wet cornering grip is also quite correct. Therefore, it is a tire that if the rain surprises you when you return from the circuit, you can return without problem and without fear, simply with some caution, but due to the differences, I honestly believe that it is better to reserve it to return from the circuit and enjoy inside.
I didn’t know you could write comments that long. Yeah I did not see a 5+ second difference in lap times. But I could cut fast laps back to back over a session. I can get a UHP+ within a couple seconds lap time but only for 1 or at max 2 laps. Then the tire will fall off fast. I wish I could get 5 seconds out of them. It would put my fast time at the top of the sheet.
Awesome video
Love it
Great video
Thanks for the review, always interesting to hear your thoughts about (cheap) tires. I'll be trying out the Federal RS-Pro's (225/45/17) this summer on a standard street car. I'm really curious how it stacks up compared to more expensive tires.
I like the rs pros. A lot. I still have a set on my other set rims. I am sure you will like them.
this might be old - but I have the 595 RS-PRO's on my 306 GTI-6 and they are very good! Great feedback and handling, good grip yet not too sticky - exactly what i was looking for in an old hot hatch. Looking now into these Zestinos as I can't find Federals anymore - have you tried the Zestinos by chance?
@@MatanEyal96 Hi, I still have the Federals in 17 inch for my BMW e92. They work very well on the car. I have not tried Zestinos yet.
I tried the zestinos 07R in 255 35 18 on my 500 hp evo. Mixed feelings. I liked the initial 100 miles grip. After a few head cycles they lost a bit of confidence u could say. At the end their life, i had a vertical run(what ever u call it) on my front axle coming from the tires. In europe they lost quite a few retailers too. One told me, they had quality problems. That confirms my experience.
I like the way u marked your tires. Did the same on mine 😅
Btw . Do you guys have the yokohama A052 in the US? Pretty much the top dog of semi slicks nowdays.
Do you have any insight on their 300TW tire the acrova? Thinking about buying them and running them daily
I have not tried them.
Can you daily drive these tires or would they wear too fast? I live in a hot climate year round
100% yes.
I can get AR-1 for about the same money in Australia
What do you think of dailying these tires? Do you think it'll hold up better than Fallen RT660s or Federals?
Yes you could easily daily the tires. I do not think they hold up better RT660 or federal. The 07R do hold up better. But the “S” will not. If the price was the same between all three tires I would pick RT660.