4.5 Million on the Nintendo World Championships 1990 cartridge
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024
- My best run of the Nintendo World Championships 1990 cartridge. If you attended the 1990 competition, please post in the comments - it's always fun to see what other people thought of the event.
Sorry for the video quality - I guess my VHS tape has been used too many times. Hope you enjoy.
Pretty cool. I placed 12th in Chicago... The organizers told me that I was the highest scorer that did not do the mario warp trick. If only I would have known!
How does the warp help?
@rtselby Hi, yes, I'm the 'official' current world record holder in recent times. Back in 1990, the winner of the nationwide competition was Thor Aackerlund. He had 2.8 million in that final round. I attended the Nintendo World Championships back then in Milwaukee. My highest score then was a mere 600,000+ and it wasn't high enough to get me into the final round of 7 competitors. Even so, it was a fantastic event.
I got 4th place in SLC. My score to play in the final seven was like 1.1M and my final score in the finals was 750K those scores are burnt into my memory forever.. And I'll never forget Jeff Falco who was traveling to beat out the other players which was LAME and should have been against the rules since he wasn't even local to the area, so I think of myself as getting 3rd in the state.
I am a friend of Jeff's mother and she told me that there were other people also traveling around the country trying to beat the other players but it is funny that you didn't mention that point in your comments.
Whether Jeff was alone or with others doing it it should have been banned. It was a competition for specific areas of the country and the best of each region would play at the national, so yes it is LAME for someone to go around the country beating others to try to knock out others. And yeah it sucks when you're 12 and someone way older than you comes in from some other state to beat you and the other people who are there.... Especially wearing a jacket that said "Tetris Master" on it...
@@johnfeezor2388 It doesn't change the fact that Jeff is a douchebag. Just because others did it doesn't make it ok or any less bad.
Your muscle memory is impressive. I could tell by the movements that you'd run this multiple times before and had each movement down to the microsecond.
LOL seriously? I haven't played this in probably 15 years and could go faster and get the coins without dying. This is not a testament to my skill, it's a testament to the lack of skill by poster.
@TeamUSASportsFan The reason he is building that high all the time is that the higher up you are, the less time it takes the pieces to lock down
less time spent dropping the pieces = more pieces in the same amount of time
That's why just before the time's up he completely got rid of his stack
Richard Bagdan - Yeah dude, I’m not sure if the person making the initial Comment quite gets how you have to run this NWC setup. The first reply seems to grasp it though, but you’re absolutely right about that High Stacking. From what I have learned about NWC, it’s all about getting to that Tetris and getting the pieces out as Fast as possible, which is what the High Stacking does extremely well.
@@Samsquamshon SMB dying is a strategy to get the highest score is a small amount of time. It's not about how many lives you lose. Why do you think there was 99? Maybe watch other world championship videos.
@TeamUSASportsFan In CWTC play at high levels, yes. In this game? no. Beginning levels are extremely slow, so to go as fast as possible you have to stack very high so you can stack pieces much faster. The TAS does this to get through the levels as fast as possible.
I competed in Philly - was only 8 years old and I totally sucked haha. Didn't make it past SMB. I still had a great time and loved checking out all the demo games, there were a few that I don't recall the names of that I wish I could find to play again.
AMAZING PLAY! Incredible score! Very satisfying!
Pfft. Let me know when you get 50,000 on Double Dragon.
Actually, I have 97 games, and I know all 97 of them. :)
Frank Westphal *rimshot*
Frank Westphal Yeah, I laughed at that in the movie
On the first level!!
I love the power glove, it so BAD !
@moshmind212 I appreciate the compliment, thanks! Thor, the NWC winner, is truly a step ahead of me - he did this live and in front of a huge audience. His tetris skills are not of this world.
My mother was in the contest. AND SHE NEVER TOLD ME TILL I TOLD HER ABOUT THE 2015 ONE
She was in the first round, and that was how she got her job at Nintendo as a games counselor :)
she knows how much i love and adore Nintendo, I can't believe she never told me lol :)
FAKE!!!!
This is unassisted.
He memorized the sequence. in THIS version of tetris entropy is not collected during play. Your super mario bros 1 score determines the piece sequence.
Oh, that makes so much sense lol. Was going to say he had the luckiest game of all time.
Yes it was. When the timer is getting low, it's time to stop building and start completing tetrises.
you could win the finals if this was in the past!
i was there in 1990 at the one in phoenix arizona.i remember all these kids competing.i enjoyed watching some serious competition.i wish i actually competed.it would have been another great memory of being there
Thanks Ben. I think the tough part is that you have to sit through the same SMB/Rad Racer sequence over and over which gets really tedious after a while, and then it comes down to whether you make a single error or not on Tetris.
Amazing! Well done.
yes, i actually participated this saturday, but the tournament has been going since early november.
It was made by a Very well known retro gaming store here in Portugal.
They've gathered the highscores from people all over the country (by doing the tryouts at certain events etc ).
and the last qualifier was this Saturday :)
@2040Rumely Yes there was actually - if you drive into the finish line without crashing, your car skids to a halt, and it will take longer to get to Tetris. You have to time your crash just right, so that you cross the finish line when you do it. This tip was given by the Nintendo game counselors during a little show they did at the Nintendo World Championships.
Thank you - I appreciate the compliment, but I've seen and have played with better players. :)
So, you got past the qualification round (with the long row of gaming stations), and then lost when you were up on stage? Win or lose, it was an awesome event. The new games to sample, and the shows they did at the stage were so fun.
Wow! Just...wow! I didn't advance past the first round of the competition, back in '90. I really loved your strategy of getting killed in round 1-1 of Mario, so you could collect more coins. I never thought of that until I saw your video. Everyone I played against barely had enough time to play Tetris, mainly because they kept crashing on Rad Racer. Great video. I wish I had these tips when I was in the competition.
The visual quality may be aged, but you gotta admit... The clean audio of raw, unfiltered NES power sure brings chills to retro gaming fans like me.
Listen to Ben on this one. :)
NES and TGM alike share in this spirit of challenge. NES Tetris was almost ahead of its time with what it achieved -- it was designed before speeds beyond 1G were even a thought, and yet Level 19 seems, in a sense, akin to TGM2's Death mode. In some ways, NES can be even more brutal.
It's interesting to note that there are currently about the same number of NES Tetris max-outs as there are TGM3 GrandMasters.
No, this was just recently. At the actual competition, I only played the game 3 times. The first round, I had a mere 200,000 (just enough to get me through to the next round). In round 2 (up on stage), I had a score in the 400,000's. I then played it in the following round (the semi-finals), and I got a score that was in the 600,000's. It wasn't enough to get me into the finals, because the lowest score that moved onto the finals was over 1 million.
I went to the Nintendo Championships in Portland, OR. I made it to the second day but couldn't get the score to advance. I had a GREAT time at the event, I wish they would do something like this again.
It's definitely the best score I've ever seen but it really seems like you have memorized it. Lots of the piece placements are odd and risky - the kind of thing you would do only if you knew what was coming next (and next and next and next hehe). Great job either way and thanks for posting!
This must be the Nintendo World Championships 1990 from 30 years ago.
gave this a number of attempts and already close to giving up... this is IMPRESSIVE... IMPRESSIVER than i already thought in fact, and i thought it was amazing in the first place.
@benmullen295 How dare you analyze this - hehe. :) However, you make a good point. One thing that bugs me like crazy when you play this version - if you watch the video you'll notice certain spots where it looks like I delay my piece movement, but it's actually something that happens in the game. Holding left/right/down sometimes stalls when moving the piece to the outside edge.
You definitely deserve the Geo Metro!
Yeah why punish the winner with that... What were they thinking
I bet that Geo Metro still runs fine to this day. God damn Geo cars last forever.
@@nyastclair8174 LOL no they do not. I had two Swifts (93 and 97) and both rotted out so badly. The first one blew brake lines, then we tried to lift the car up by the frame channel - it collapsed. The entire floor was ruined. The second one lightly tapped a curb and the engine support rail was so rusted it cracked, breaking the top of the shock tower and pulling the CV shaft out of the inner connector.
These cars may get good mileage, but they're shit in the rust belt. Perhaps one of the few cars that rust faster than a Lada.
@@the_kombinator The Geo Prizm I had until 300k miles didn't rust at all. /shrug
@@nyastclair8174 That's great for you. Out of the about 50 cars I've owned, those two were the worst for rust. I've seen neglected and beaten on Hyundais that rotted less than a Swift.
I can explain what was going on in the Tetris segment.
When the block level goes higher and higher, that also means you're capable of putting down blocks faster, because it doesn't take as long to reach a solid level. If he cleared 4 Line Tetrises at the bottom level only, he wouldn't have been able to make as many 4 Line Tetrises in the long run because it would have taken him much longer to drop the blocks down to the bottom.
It's extremely risky, but it's defo. got that high reward status.
Even though we're still in a great time of gaming, I feel like any sort of big competition like this only exists for MOBAs and FPS games, I wish I was alive during the time this was going on, I was born in '98
03:29 that block hit so hard the screen shook.. thats a powerful block!!
Hi there. The TV I play on is not near my desktop computer. There is already a VHS hooked up to that tv, so I was just hitting record on the VHS. I'm able to go from VHS to a DVD recorder, and finally I have something I can put on a computer. I should get more acquainted with a better way to go straight to my desktop, but my recent recording method is working great (ipod touch). My ipod touch recording can be seen in my most recent upload.
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. I CALL MY SELF GOOD AT TETRIS BUT YOU ARE A GOD!
That's a pretty sick draw though for Tetris you have to admit. Everything kind of just fit together right at the right time.
AVGN called; he wants you to train him so he can beat Pat the NES Punk
@RileySkye100 This was a repro cartridge.
It puts incredible strain on ons ability to push down as quickly and efficiently as possible and this video is the best known example of it. Its actually remarkably difficult to mauever peices that otherwise insist on going slow, to move so fast as he makes them move. Of course NES contains other skill sets as well, some of the maxout vids or even some of mine are examples of this. TGM is an icredible game with incredible players, but its players are certainly not at a "much higer level"
@MadaraStv Crashing doesn't effect Tetris. When you cross the finish line, the car skids to a stop (the skidding takes a few seconds). But, if you crash, it goes directly to Tetris, and you gain just a few more seconds.
@jfmatt3 Actually, I'm the guy with the score on Twin Galaxies too. :)
@2040Rumely There's a counter at the bottom right (it's a distance counter) - 6060 is when you go for the crash, as long as you are at top speed.
Sorry to say that it's a repro. As I've said before though, the repro is fantastic for reliving the memory at a decent price.
That performance in Tetris was insane, at least to me.
I never could beat the first level of Rad Racer...
It just remains on the tetris game over screen - when the 6:21 timer runs out, you will see your score from the combined 3 games.
@awsomedave1 It's 4,512,325. That's the tape I sent into twin galaxies - they don't acknowledge youtube for submitting scores.
At 3:52, there's actually quite a bit of room for maneuvering (it's only level 0 speed).
I did play in 1990, but my scores were quite low. Back then, my only Tetris experience was on GameBoy. In the qualifying round, where a player needed 150,000 to move on, I had a score of around 175,000. From there, you went to the stage and needed 175,000, and I had a little over 400,000. I moved on to the semifinals where they take the top 7 players, and my score was right around 625,000. Not enough to go any further, since the 7th place qualifier had over 1 million.
I'm actually impressed with your tetris skills
Nya Stclair Tetris for JEFF !!!!!!
I think its the use of the word higher that NES folks might take some exception to. The Very Best NES Players and the very best TGM players are both about just as good at tetris as one another, just different versions thereof. One guy is actually one of the best at both. Now, The tetris you see in this is actually something of an augmented form of NES tetris. It starts on level 0 but only gives a very short amount of time to get as many points as possible.
@donnyf88 By getting a 4-line there, each block placement has to drop further, which eats up more time.
Tetris seemed like the all-important factor with the multiplier of 25. Mario had a multiplier of 1 and doesnt seem like it mattered if the max score is 10-11k
This is amazing good job dude :)
I wasn't talking about his performance. I was talking about the way he played. Flipping the car to land just an inch behind the finish line for example. Or the tetris bit. I've seen Tetris masters play. When they're playing for points, they don't build up that high because you can't predict when a 4x1 piece will pop up. See this video: /watch?v=jwC544Z37qo
When possible go for the Tetris, otherwise you'll lose in a heartbeat ...
I took 5th in the 11 and under category (overall). Then i was getting close to 3 million pretty consistently, and once I got the game home I had a few games close to 4 million, but this is pretty nice. Nice job. I used to hate it when you'd get to tetris and get a shitty board to deal with, that was one of the better ones.
without any kind of practice (only knowing how to play the 3 games ), my highest record was 321830 , one week ago, during a national Nintendo tournament, and i got to the top 3 in my country (qualified to the finals , in january )
But... 4.5 Million ?
That's AMAZING dude, congrats :)
@rtselby The timing has to be right on. I normally will get only 10 myself, but when I'm jumping just right, I'll get 11. It's simply a matter of practice.
Boom, Tetris for Frank!
Thanks! Be on the lookout for me this coming weekend at the CTWC Classic Tetris World Championships. I've been there a few times now but always seem to get knocked out early. :) Need more fans, haha
UN.BELIEVABLE. I was freaking out at some of the Tetrises you WEREN'T taking!!
But hot damn, it all worked out... Awesome job! :D
P.S: Eden Stamm ;)
Wow, watching your Tetris play is like giving me heart attacks lol
@kitaru2004 I think the idea of staying in level 1-1 was included in the repro game manual. Then it's just a matter of figuring out the fastest way to collect the coins - there really isn't too much variation you can use when collecting them, but it definitely takes a little practice especially with hitting the goombas just right. I tend to look at the game's clock when I enter pipes, and when I lose a life so I can make sure I'm on track.
That's an above average amount of poles you got there.
@pelletier1986 There is no code for the game to get the blocks you need, but it does follow certain patterns based on your SMB score. I like to get greedy and stack tall. And yes, it's a reproduction cart, which I am very pleased to have. I thought I'd never have the chance to play it again, with the prices of the collector cartridges.
Mission 1 - Get 50 coins
Mission 2 - Complete the Course
Mission 3 - 3-minute Score Attack
On the other hand I looked at his other videos, and they seem legit. Even though he shows a very different tetris playstyle there.
insane tetris skills are insane
I received my tickets(5) from winning the Tetris competition the "Child
World" toy stores were running at the time (scored 27,671 points in 3
minutes on level 5 on the nes version of tetris(the record in the tri-state area)) and I competed in the 12-14 year old group in Boston(though i was 11 at the time) in 1990. I ended up 5th out of the 10 contestants.
@rizz1010 Yeah, I was more referring to the scoring/hitting goombas. I'm matching you up to the first death, but the goomba kills I would take after that were a bit loose. I'm liking the way you have things laid out, so I'm thinking I might aim for something more like that so I'm not wasting too much time thinking about things or improvising.
Correction, I was only getting up to and sometimes over 2 million during the competition, sometimes in the high 2 millions, I remember only scoring about 1.7 mil in the final seven on stage.
@rizz1010 Also, the diagramming question was related to Tetris if it wasn't clear. I realize there was some ambiguity there, haha.
Er, when I say "block level," I'm referring to how high the blocks are stacked.
Incredible! But i think you get a higher score in super mario if you don't die!
I'm sure he needs all the advice he can get.
The dying strategy is so you spend the least amount of time in Super Mario Brothers. The megapoints are in Tetris (note there is a 25x bonus for your Tetris score and only 1x for Mario), so you want to get to that game as fast as possible. You want to clear 50 coins in 1-1 in SMB without getting to world 1-2, as that slows you down. The fastest way to do this is exactly the strategy shown in the video.
pulykamell I tried doing a RadRacer course as fast as I could, and I only got to the first checkpoint before I crashed and had to move on to Tetris
Who you callin a noob? :) Actually, I'm currently working on my NES Tetris - I have been working on my level 19 skills for quite some time now. Keep watching for new uploaded videos. I'm going to be posting another one soon. Also, you are correct about Rad Racer... I was able to flip the car just right because you can keep your eye on the bottom right - when it gets to 6060, that's when you hit a tree. Search for any NWC video with a score in the millions, and you'll see this technique.
"I love the powerglove. It's so bad."
@TrenchAce I'm guessing mid to late 2009 (I see I uploaded in 2010).
@ZPokemonfanA I'm actually the guy with both of those scores (so I broke my own record).
Yes, I found that curious myself. But in his latest comment he said that he recorded this just recently, which I found odd. With today's means it's much more complicated to first record on VHS and then digitize the tape instead of just running it through the Video-in of a TV adapter or a modern graphics card.
I think the VHS effect might be a filter applied to the video.
I might be wrong, but it all seems a bit fishy.
The next big jump in score would happen if I got another tetris, but I never tried to get another one. I have a friend that achieved 4.5 million before me, so I knew it 4.5 was possible - before that, I was sitting at 4 mill. Shaving more seconds off the clock to get another tetris would be quite difficult.
No, just in Portugal, a national tournament of NES organized by a retro game store :)
So this was basically just a tetris tournament disguised as a triathlon.
Nice and fast in Tetris dude
I'm still not convinced. By the way this movie looks, it was recorded on a television, and I'm not exactly sure how one would TA a cartridge.
Thanks! Did I understand correctly that a tournament took place a week ago? Where was the tournament? Was it at a convention?
@mikew72324 I concentrated on all Tetrises for the highest point value. There is the possibility that completing 2 lines at the beginning would affect the level increase sooner, and result in more points later in the game though.
I'm not sure if .45 seconds will help at the very end. ;)
Nintendo has got to acknowledge you..
Respect
@YodatheJedi12 I never owned an original, sorry.
$99.9k for an NES cart that you won't play? "A fool & his $ are soon departed!" LOL
The real fools are the ones who think those were legit auctions. Nothing more than owners trying to set the market value for the little plastic cartridge that they own. It should be illegal in fact. Notice how the value of NES cartridges is always some round number. It's a combination of fakers trying to sway the market, or fucking morons who don't have a very good sense of what plastic video game cartridges are worth.
Ha Hah you think the owners of the cart would bit on something that they weren't going to buy? That's not how the economy works, at least not the gaming economy. By the way, what you're talking about is called "shill bidding" and it is actually technically illegal. I'm not 100% sure if it's a written law, but it goes against the ToS on websites like amazon and eBay, and there have been previous examples set to people who have done shill bidding. Take the Walton case for example (look it up ^^)
Xzile40 I don't think there's a law against it, it's a gray area, it most definitely happens and is not hard to do, the only requirement is that the "winning" bidder comes up with an excuse not to pay. There's also idiots who have $200 in their bank account who bid shit up just for the hell of it. None of those cartridges sold for $100,000. And it's not a coincidence that gaming websites posted the auctions as "news", and that multiple auctions subsequently popped up after those fake 100k auctions ended. It's a very dirty "economy" as you refer to it. Which is based mostly on false perception, opposed to actual demand.
D A W I N N E R O F D A W O R L D CH A M P I O N I S P S
You are really good but you kinda do have to admit, you got lucky with your drop order on Tetris. You didn't get any droughts at all.
+josh ThisIsStupid If you took a second to read the comments you'd realize that it isn't luck.
i know you wrote this comment 5 years ago, but it's been discovered that mario score was used to seed the tetris RNG. if you get the same mario score each time, you'll get the same sequence of tetris pieces. the player likely had the sequence memorized.
@preLEG I haven't played it much recently, but I played many times 2 years ago or so.
@kitaru2004 Aha. Unfortunately, I have to be a little bit on the secretive side. I would have to say that there was development over a good length of time. ;)
so heres a thought ive been having. I might get this game one day and try to contest this title. so ive been thinking about strategy but it sort of depends upon one thing... I heard once that you get the same peices every time based on something else in the game, i dont remember what but anyway. Would it possibly be slightly more efficient if you set a fairly high left side tetris well right of the bat then switched to right side on top... then even the lines would fall less far.... hmmmmmm
So I'm guessing the dislikes are people who don't realize that you died in SMB on purpose to hit the coin block over and over
in the tetris part....you passed up the opportunity to use the line piece to get a tetris, like 4 times in a row, and then you let the pieces get to the top literally 3 pieces away from losing and then you always got the line piece just in time.
how could you know it would give you the line piece just then? that you would know "oh i'm almost at the top and heres a line piece, i'm not gonna use it just yet because I know i'll get another one" and you did it like 4 times.
i mean, sometimes it could take 20 or more pieces to get a single line piece, and you always seemed to get the Z piece that was oriented the correct way, you always got a square just when you had the perfect place to put it.
tetris is partly luck based, there should be an even distribution of pieces and it shows on the side the distribution that you got an almost even distribution but i have had games where all the other pieces ratio to my line pieces was 4:1
where like , i had 20 each of all the other pieces and only 4 line pieces
i know the video looks "genuine" but I dunno, i suppose someone could pull it off with clever editing.
if it's for real then more power to you...
LadyGenevieve The version of Tetris used in the Nintendo World Championships 1990 cart actually has a pattern to it -- the change was made to ensure all competitors had an even playing field rather than have the outcome be determined by getting more I-pieces within the time limit compared to someone else.
The score you get in Mario determines where you start in the pattern and can also change some of the pieces in the beginning. So, if you try to get a specific score in the Mario segment, you can know what pieces will appear at what time.
so they did have advance knowledge...and they memorized it. i guess that's impressive anyway?
LadyGenevieve I guess I'll say that memorization is just one piece of the puzzle. Getting the precise movements on the games takes lots of practice, even with the SMB portion. The controls for Tetris are a bit choppy at times, so even if you know where a piece should go, it's another story to get that piece into position with the most efficient movements on the controls. And it only takes one mistake on the tetris portion to throw the whole thing off. Thanks for the questions. :)
Holy crap, tetris was intense
the event in powerfest 90 was fun I have both gray and gold carts and I stil play them today. in the tournament I was so nervous at the event,and I was really good at super mario bros rad racer and tetris so my skils were lowered. but I still managed to get to the finals and earned that cart.and that gold cart i won in a give away.
Very impressive. I do hope you took just as much practice for the new Nintendo World Championship 2015 that's right around the corner!
Jonathan Z It was a great competition (and the 4 hour event is on youtube)! I would have loved to compete, but I don't have enough expertise in the current age of gaming. I'm old school. :)
+Frank Westphal I like old video game but all I have is everything from ds up to wiiu. I don't like the virtual console because the controllers don't feel right. Good job on 4 million.
that one was a joke, they had all the people play on Virtual Console on HD TV's, massive input lag. Sinister said it was the worst lag hes seen
oh ok. i was thinking it was your real performance due to the VHS quality :p
Humm. Your argument does have merit. Either way, it's still a pretty impressive score.