I have a question, if we were able to somehow harvest the energy from a tornado's spin, and did so regularly, what would the effects (if any) be on the climate?
With the theme of climate change and the kind of speed in which it can happen realistically; what are your thoughts on the events in The Day After Tomorrow? Would love to watch a video on that!
This film is about as scientific as the average climate activist which is to say they are mostly there for the fun of the protest, to shout, to be seen doing something virtuous for instagram, and maybe to smash some stuff up. "The sea is rising at 1.5mm a year so we will all drown in 10 years".... err that's 1.5cm and you are 5'11? "Well in a hundred years though"... you'll be dead in 100 years though :s The amount of time it would take for climate change to have a meaningful effect is very long, and the pace of technological change is very high, a factor completely ignored by the activists who love to invoke science. Even if we disregard climate science and focus on the proposed solutions which is where the real controversial issue is, the activists seem to base their choices not on science, but on what "feels best". IF climate change were such a big deal, and you REALLY wanted to stop it, you would go with nuclear because that is what the science says. But the feelings, they say use the inefficient wind and solar which are optimal only for edge cases e.g rural. If climate change activists want the wider public to take their cause seriously they need to drop the hyperbolic crap, stick to the facts and follow the science not what they personally think the conclusions "should" be.
A hurricane is probably as indifferent to any bomb known to mankind as it is to being shot at. And the idea of using nuclear weapons to stop or at least make a hurricane less intense has been around for as long as the public knows about them, it has been a recurring theme with politicians over the years, Trump isn't the only one guilty of suggesting such garbage. With a lot of nuclear weapons having a combined yield in the gigaton range it could maybe be feasible but at that point a hurricane approaching the coast is the smaller evil, especially if you don't actually stop it because it will bring the fallout of a few dozen nuclear weapons to the land.
I like that Simon cannot let his inner scientist down for a minute and has to say that a heatwave that kills 2 million people in a single day is merely "extremely unlikely to happen".
There was the specification of Madrid. There are some places where it's more likely. Typically places with insufficient infrastructure, like India, or Texas.
@@vxicepickxv his point was, you're not going to wake up one day with 2 million dead people on your hands. More than 2 million people will die over the course of decades and years which will make us underestimate the effect because of how gradual the change is
The firs could indicate that it wasn't just the heat wave that killed all those people in one day, but a combination of things that just happened to have a heat wave exacerbate it. War for example. Disease and famine could also play a part.
Which indigenous people is this from, specifically? I'm not confident reproducing a quote with such a vague citation, as much as I agree with the sentiment.
The Snowpiercer climate may be an interesting one to cover, they don't talk about the climate much other than the fact it's -120c outside. might be interesting to look at what the earth/atmosphere would actually look like at that temperature, and what would be required to happen get the temperature that low.
@@bindukopparapu2795 Also not sure whether temps would get that low estimates for the last snowball Earth event are more like -60C. That said I am not sure if that is the min temp or the global mean, if the latter then Antarctica would probably push that sort of temp. Especially since I would guess a snowball Earth would have a larger range between equatorial and polar temps. Having a thick layer of ice covering the oceans would basically take them out of the equation as a heat transfer mechanism and the thermohaline circulation is responsible for moving a lot of heat poleward from the equatorial regions.
And we've already proven to be exceptional. No species that has industrialized has ever gone extinct. You can't make a prediction on a sample size of one.
@@ObjectsInMotion were certainly doing our very best to prove to whatever comes after us that we were indeed ordinary. the dinosaurs did better than us existing for more than 100 million years compared to us homosapiens not even cracking the 300k mark. all simians roughly add to 1.2 million years and mamals in total come up to 70 million. on the grand scale were looking pretty average.
I hate how in this movie the humans are not putting an end to climate change by reducing carbon footprint and other stuff but rather develop a sophisticated technology (which in real life won't work ). This may lead to humans in real life be lethargic about climate change thinking humans in future could develop such technologies ( correct me if I'm wrong)
The stuff shown in the movie obviously wont work but there are other solutions like orbital shades that very likely work. You would only need to block around 1% if the sunlight to offset the effect of the greenhouse gases. Of course a natural way is better but the world is run by capitalist that only want growth so maybe it’s the only way we can reduce global warming without having to somehow overthrow the whole system. It would allow growth without totally wrecking the temperature.
@@cerberaodollam literally no one said anything even close to that. They said this particular technology never works and you extended that to all technology being bad.
We can laugh, but that may not be so far from the truth. If "their" objective is: To divert / focus public attention by seeding an idea, To maintain the status quo, re lifestyle, energy, etc, To promote huge industrial projects from which they will no doubt profit...... Maybe a film is the best way?
@@matthewmcneany To put it in perspective, it would take multiple nuclear weapons to kill that many people in Madrid. One nuclear weapon dropped in the centre of Hiroshima only managed to kill about 100,000 people.
@@disposabull Possibly the most dangerous thing about heat waves in the C21th will be how long they last. If you look at the SSP in climate modelling, particularly pathways 3-7 if sufficent progress isn't made on climate goals this can be really apparent. SSP7 (the realistic worst case senario) predicts as many as 100 or more 40 degrees Celsius days for Madrid, but even the best case senarios (SSP2) are something like 40 or more 40 Celsius days per year. With Europes aging population especially heat related excess deaths are going to become a huge problem. Although likely 10,000s or 100,000s in a bad year rather than millions even for the whole continent.
Eh... but it ends up being sorta true. What we really are fighting is thermodynamics. We care because thermodynamics will affect nature, which will affect us. If nature didn't exist, thermodynamics would still be relevant, but very much less so. Realistically, this means we need to beat nature so that we can extend our timelines, but the best way to win against nature is to just leave it. Or, in summary: Fuck earth, let's live in space.
The intro literally explains how the system is equivalent to a kid sticking his finger in a dam. They make explicitly clear with the name Dutch Boy that this isn't addressing the problem, it's an imperfect and impractical temporary hold-off.
I just got a fleeting thought... if you are doing bad movies reactions thing then please do recommend some good sci-fi movies. I would love to know what movies Dr. Simon Clark likes😬
I would love to hear you talk more about geoengineering! I wrote a paper on solar management for uni last year and it was a really interesting subject. I'd love to hear your opinions as an atmospheric physicist. I'll definitely be checking out your Notion page, but if you ever fancy making a video about it I'd love to see it
The geostorm video still didn't address what happens when CO2 levels get high enough to negatively effect land based creatures via intermingling in the rest of the air we breathe.
I always get a weird feeling when people talk about how unrealistic it is to go 100% renewable then turn around and advocate geoengineering. I'd love to see a follow-up video, it seems interesting!
I like how casually it was stated that an individual could forever change the climate on their own. But, for real if someone was to do it they would probably be forced by regulations into doing it a certain way by the world super powers.
i've seen the film before, and i thought (especially because of the fire and general warzone look) the madrid thing was probably due to fights/"civil war" over water or something. we've seen stuff like that already happen during massive droughts the last 2 years in india for example.
This is the most exemplar combination of The Great Man myth, the god species myth and individualism ideology that I've ever seen. I think Slavoj Zizek would have a blast analyzing this one.
Out of Curiosity...Would you look at a game by the name of Frostpunk. Its basically steampunk, but the world is gone and only snow remains. I think you will be interested in it as me and other ppl have been trying to understand how something like that could happen on the scale it did and in the time frame that it did. Might peek your interest.
4:06 film intro: 'we are fighting back'. Simon: 'Because the Earth is not the problem. We are the problem!' Exactly. It's high time we get that into our thick skulls. Sadly the film is feeding the utterly ridiculous notion that it's us against the Earth when in fact it's more like the corporations and billionaires against the have nots.
I once was asked a question about dropping a nuke on a hurricane. I did the math on what I could find for an "average" cat 5 hurricane and like... That storm is outputting a nuclear weapon's worth of energy every second. I love the adorable, _incredible_ naïvete of the notion that you could disrupt an energy management cycle like a hurricane by... *Checks notes* Adding energy. I'm afraid I might have humiliated my interlocutor, but people came to that platform, sought me out, specifically to ask dumb questions about nuclear weapons, so the interlocutor knew what they were getting into...
Not going to lie, kind of wanted to see you finish it, but I understand the pain it caused. How about a charity stream? Every X amount raised means you stream watching another 5/10mins.
Seems to me that by far the easiest way to engineer our climate back to 'normal' is to eliminate GHG emissions over the next 20-30 years and in the same time period do large scale reforestation to sequester more carbon.
Do you think every sci-fi movie should follow the scientific accuracies on technology if they're really trying to be as grounded as possible and avoid any supernatural elements you would see in a fantasy or horror movie?
That's a very interesting question worth discussion. I don't want to limit anyone's creativity to be fair but the mind set they used in this movie, while also not being accurate, is my real problem with it. He is right when they say they are just putting a plaster on the problem and pretending technology can fix it without actually addressing the root. The scientific inaccuracies are another issue I'd have with it but I'm not too fused over those when we have the mindset problem. I'm not really a climate scientist so I wouldn't know as much about the inaccuracies in the first place.
As a budding Chemist who wishes to do a PhD and research into more economical methods of catalytic carbon capture, a video on geoengineering would be incredibly interesting!
I’m really sad it’s been two years. We still haven’t got it hard to do this video. I really want that more than anything right now. I don’t know why but I just do.😢😢😢
i would love to more of these videos, i watch a ton of movies and weather disaster films are often very flawed, but do get alot right sometimes in unexpected areas, so it would be fun to see your reaction about things movies get right and wrong.
Joe Scott recently had a video on a related geoengineering scheme: "shades" at L1 Sun-Earth Lagrange point. I don't remember details, but it would require millions of launches with the largest rocket we still don't have and would cost quadrillions of dollars. But that, some think, is better than weaning ourselves from 19th-century energy production technology.
I am pretty sure that studies have been done that basically say that to stop a hurricane you would need to detonate multiple, just to clarify, MULTIPLE nuclear weapons to stop it. I think the exact math was something like three of the US's most powerful nukes per minute for potentially hours just to stop your average Hurricane.
I got in a lengthy conversation once with someone who truly epitomises the "man vs nature" mentality to the point of self parody. He legit said, and I quote, "Nature is ugly and I wish it destroyed" just because it can be a bit brutal at times. Like, good luck living. It was also a very hypocritical stance to take as he also insisted death is inherently evil and should be eliminated. He also believed in the pipe dream of the entire human population being able to live comfortably within an area the size of whatever American supercity it was, which he used to pre-emptively "counter" any concerns about overpopulation once death has been successfully defeated, which is totally achievable.
Simon, I was wondering, have you watched the film Interstellar? If so, what are your thoughts on the “accurate” physics concepts used such as time dilation and the notion that the gravitational pull of a black hole could be used to propel a spacecraft from one end of a star system to another?
oh I _loathe_ how that film does the science - it goes to such lengths to be accurate in the rendering of the black hole but completely messes up the gravitational time dilation!
@@SimonClark really? They had Kip Thorne on board and everything. I have a book called the science of Interstellar which goes into detail about how it all works in the movie. Seems to check out, but hey, I dont have a PhD in physics xD
Late comment, but Simon is probably referring to the exaggerated extent of the gravitational time dilation depicted in the movie, not the concept of time dilation itself. The distance between the planet and the black hole is way too large to cause the kind of time dilation depicted in the movie (1 hour on the planet being 7 years back on earth, if I remember correctly). Doing the calculations, you find that you'd have to be 1,7 mm away from the event horizon of an earth-sized black hole for this kind of time dilation to happen. Don't even ask me how strong of a rocket you'd need to not be sucked into the hole at such a distance.
If you don't watch the whole movie how do you know whether or not it ends with a lesson about human hubris and what we actually need to be doing instead? The beginning could be setting up a revelation later.
I remember watching this movie once, at some point I was no longer able to take it seriously. I guess that may have been the point, but it was an absolute trainwreck at trying to justify its own science
Reminded of the old brainteaser about the frog in the pan of water. If you turn up the heat slowly enough will the frog jump out of the pan before it's boiled? Well of course it would. But will we?
Simon buddy pal guy friend... I live in California and we have 500 active wildfires some causing a phenomenon called "firenados". We live this movie every summer lol.
It's a very interesting video, and a very interesting topic to talk about... I'd love to hear more about geoengineering... A lot of greetings from Argentina....
Always enjoy your videos. Thank you Simon. I’m slightly disturbed by some of the comments which make reference to 2020/C19. Just to be clear.. C19 is a disease that is pandemic. It is NOT the apocalypse. 🤦🏽♀️ Yes, it’s made for a crappy year. However, it is not the world’s worst year, and whilst to some it has felt like the end end of the world by the loss of loved ones, it is not the end of the world. Indeed, by each country dealing with the issue differently; it has provided a real life example of what Simon was saying about international agreement on the setting of the dial etc.
Orbital mechanics means you can't have a satellite net like that due to different orbital paths needed. Let alone kessler syndrome. But what about dimming the sun by a space curtain around the sun-earth lagrange point?
Just like me and my old climbing mates watching Hollywood climbing films, can’t tell you how often we’ve needed unstable explosives on a days climbing.
I thought this to be a quite interesting video, because it helped to understand geoengineering and its problems. I have a background in economics and let me tell the economics of climate change are terrible, because they are in denial of the fact that people will have to change their way of life to "weather the storm". Most economists, on the other hand, seem like they're fighting to preserve this exactly way of life that created this issue in first place. So, it does make sense to say that geoengineering is a very neoliberal solution (I can even imagine the rational choice theory models of cost-benefit used to create these scenarios), of treating nature as the enemy - which is something economic models have been doing for decades.
How do you feel about other kinds of engineering like alternative forms of power (solar/nuclear) to help with climate change? How important are they vs things like public awareness and policy change?
BTW if you enjoyed this then check out a more accurate (and more beautiful) portrayal of the atmosphere here! ruclips.net/video/aiZ-ui0lK-U/видео.html
You should review the first half of "Highlander 2: The quickening" where they replace the ozone layer with a dome :P
I have a question, if we were able to somehow harvest the energy from a tornado's spin, and did so regularly, what would the effects (if any) be on the climate?
With the theme of climate change and the kind of speed in which it can happen realistically; what are your thoughts on the events in The Day After Tomorrow? Would love to watch a video on that!
Do a video on ur thoughts on Geo engineering & Kardashev Type I civilization
This film is about as scientific as the average climate activist which is to say they are mostly there for the fun of the protest, to shout, to be seen doing something virtuous for instagram, and maybe to smash some stuff up. "The sea is rising at 1.5mm a year so we will all drown in 10 years".... err that's 1.5cm and you are 5'11? "Well in a hundred years though"... you'll be dead in 100 years though :s The amount of time it would take for climate change to have a meaningful effect is very long, and the pace of technological change is very high, a factor completely ignored by the activists who love to invoke science. Even if we disregard climate science and focus on the proposed solutions which is where the real controversial issue is, the activists seem to base their choices not on science, but on what "feels best". IF climate change were such a big deal, and you REALLY wanted to stop it, you would go with nuclear because that is what the science says. But the feelings, they say use the inefficient wind and solar which are optimal only for edge cases e.g rural. If climate change activists want the wider public to take their cause seriously they need to drop the hyperbolic crap, stick to the facts and follow the science not what they personally think the conclusions "should" be.
Blowing up a hurricane to destroy it HAS to be the most American idea ever
Sharknado baby!
@@benadians1769 I dont know, if he did I would try and impeach him on attempted murder
www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-nuke-hurricanes/
He denies he said it, but ... he probably said it.
A hurricane is probably as indifferent to any bomb known to mankind as it is to being shot at. And the idea of using nuclear weapons to stop or at least make a hurricane less intense has been around for as long as the public knows about them, it has been a recurring theme with politicians over the years, Trump isn't the only one guilty of suggesting such garbage.
With a lot of nuclear weapons having a combined yield in the gigaton range it could maybe be feasible but at that point a hurricane approaching the coast is the smaller evil, especially if you don't actually stop it because it will bring the fallout of a few dozen nuclear weapons to the land.
Yup it is. As an American I agree
Dr Simon Clark: Nooo! Geoengineering doesn't work like that!
Geostorm Producers: haha satellites go brrrrrr
Film about scientific topic. Contains no science. Lots of weapons though :s
Xanax satellites go chillllll
I like that Simon cannot let his inner scientist down for a minute and has to say that a heatwave that kills 2 million people in a single day is merely "extremely unlikely to happen".
There was the specification of Madrid. There are some places where it's more likely. Typically places with insufficient infrastructure, like India, or Texas.
@@vxicepickxv I thought Texas would be a cold wave?
@@vxicepickxv his point was, you're not going to wake up one day with 2 million dead people on your hands. More than 2 million people will die over the course of decades and years which will make us underestimate the effect because of how gradual the change is
The firs could indicate that it wasn't just the heat wave that killed all those people in one day, but a combination of things that just happened to have a heat wave exacerbate it. War for example. Disease and famine could also play a part.
World: "Oh, no a Hurricane"
Scientist: "Hehe, bombs go boom!"
Real scientist: "What the f-...?"
*Money printer go brrrrrr*
*interviews go bla bla bla*
*Nationalism go bang*
@@appleslover Sam goes bricks and aeroplanes
Tornado? Zap!
Blizzard? Zap!
Logic? Zap!
I agree, zap!!
Cv19 zap!!
Zap? Zap!
"In Blender apparently." This cracked me up more than it should have. :D
Same :D
As a belnder artist, I feel personally attacked xD
Edit 4:20 is the time.
@@dragonslayerornstein387 lmao
"We don’t inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children."
--Native American proverb
One of the best thing I read today. Ty
Which indigenous people is this from, specifically? I'm not confident reproducing a quote with such a vague citation, as much as I agree with the sentiment.
@@clockworkkirlia7475 quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/22/borrow-earth/?amp=1
The Snowpiercer climate may be an interesting one to cover, they don't talk about the climate much other than the fact it's -120c outside. might be interesting to look at what the earth/atmosphere would actually look like at that temperature, and what would be required to happen get the temperature that low.
Some evil villain will reposition the sun :)
@@jinjunliu2401 Or the moon.
@@esaedvik or the Earth
Maybe a snowball Earth event? I'm pretty sure those take a long time to set in though.
@@bindukopparapu2795 Also not sure whether temps would get that low estimates for the last snowball Earth event are more like -60C. That said I am not sure if that is the min temp or the global mean, if the latter then Antarctica would probably push that sort of temp. Especially since I would guess a snowball Earth would have a larger range between equatorial and polar temps. Having a thick layer of ice covering the oceans would basically take them out of the equation as a heat transfer mechanism and the thermohaline circulation is responsible for moving a lot of heat poleward from the equatorial regions.
Can I just comment on the trope of child narrator summarizing the apocalypse? Like...Why?
To make it more dramatic?
if you make a child feed us that notion of us against the Earth it sounds so much more innocent and loads of people will believe it
'Cuz making children clean up their parents' mess is kind of a theme in society.
@grindupBaker Pretty sure we were all children at one point. I certainly don't remember trying to kill anyone when I got hungry lol
Don’t forget the dead beat dad trope
Simon: “There’s not going to be a single year where we are suddenly in an apocalypse”
2020: “Hold my beer”
So what do you call cv19 ???
Samsies.
@@marietellez6021 A virus which has nothing to do with 5G
Definitely not an apocalypse yes a global pandemic and a problem but its not an extinction event@@marietellez6021
2021 Hold my beer as well!
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.”
― Carl Sagan
Well remembered.
The big filter theory, isnt it?
And we've already proven to be exceptional. No species that has industrialized has ever gone extinct. You can't make a prediction on a sample size of one.
@@ObjectsInMotion
were certainly doing our very best to prove to whatever comes after us that we were indeed ordinary.
the dinosaurs did better than us existing for more than 100 million years compared to us homosapiens not even cracking the 300k mark.
all simians roughly add to 1.2 million years and mamals in total come up to 70 million.
on the grand scale were looking pretty average.
I hate how in this movie the humans are not putting an end to climate change by reducing carbon footprint and other stuff but rather develop a sophisticated technology (which in real life won't work ). This may lead to humans in real life be lethargic about climate change thinking humans in future could develop such technologies ( correct me if I'm wrong)
100% correct - this is talked about at length in the Klein book, and I've expanded on the topic a little bit in the notion page
The stuff shown in the movie obviously wont work but there are other solutions like orbital shades that very likely work. You would only need to block around 1% if the sunlight to offset the effect of the greenhouse gases.
Of course a natural way is better but the world is run by capitalist that only want growth so maybe it’s the only way we can reduce global warming without having to somehow overthrow the whole system. It would allow growth without totally wrecking the temperature.
lmao okay. technology never works and never does anything good. said the kid typing on a computer.
@@cerberaodollam literally no one said anything even close to that. They said this particular technology never works and you extended that to all technology being bad.
@@cerberaodollam en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Trump: Well, why don't we nuke the hurricane?
Geostorm Producers: 👀👀👀
We can laugh, but that may not be so far from the truth.
If "their" objective is:
To divert / focus public attention by seeding an idea,
To maintain the status quo, re lifestyle, energy, etc,
To promote huge industrial projects from which they will no doubt profit......
Maybe a film is the best way?
Write that down! Write that down!
We already have done that. Remember how Dorian didn’t hit Florida at all? How much stood still for a week?
@@SimonClark Do you watch Charles the French?
Narrator: ...worked tirelessly...
Simon: In blender apparently.
I lol'd so hard
Film: A heatwave killed 2 million people.
Me: At least that's sort of vaguely more plausible
Film: IN ONE CITY!! IN ONE DAY!!!!!
Me: Oh...
The population of Madrid is 6.6 million
probably in a wet bulb...maybe....like the mussels and clams in the northwest this year...
@@matthewmcneany To put it in perspective, it would take multiple nuclear weapons to kill that many people in Madrid. One nuclear weapon dropped in the centre of Hiroshima only managed to kill about 100,000 people.
@@disposabull Possibly the most dangerous thing about heat waves in the C21th will be how long they last. If you look at the SSP in climate modelling, particularly pathways 3-7 if sufficent progress isn't made on climate goals this can be really apparent. SSP7 (the realistic worst case senario) predicts as many as 100 or more 40 degrees Celsius days for Madrid, but even the best case senarios (SSP2) are something like 40 or more 40 Celsius days per year. With Europes aging population especially heat related excess deaths are going to become a huge problem. Although likely 10,000s or 100,000s in a bad year rather than millions even for the whole continent.
This mindset reminds me of the Futurama scene "and each year we drop a larger ice cube into the ocean, thus solving the problem forever"
Dr. Simon: An apocalypse scenario in a single year is extremely unlikely.
2020: Let me introduce myself.
2021:
@@dangiscongrataway2365 Keeping this here so you can edit it next year, ey?
2022:
You underestimate the scientific illiteracy of Sci-fi writers. Geostorm is the rule, not the exception.
Nuke the hurricane is exactly where I imagined this film the minute I heard it starred Gerard Butler.
I'm not even close to a scientist but damn, this movie... Hahaha... That Man VS Nature mindset is actually quite annoying, at best.
Eh... but it ends up being sorta true. What we really are fighting is thermodynamics. We care because thermodynamics will affect nature, which will affect us. If nature didn't exist, thermodynamics would still be relevant, but very much less so. Realistically, this means we need to beat nature so that we can extend our timelines, but the best way to win against nature is to just leave it.
Or, in summary: Fuck earth, let's live in space.
@@Isometrix116 sigma Asteromorph grindsed.
"An apocalypse scenario in a single year is extremely unlike."
2020: hum... Hold my beer
Should you do a follow-up?
In the words of Emperor Palpatine:
"Dew It"
The intro literally explains how the system is equivalent to a kid sticking his finger in a dam. They make explicitly clear with the name Dutch Boy that this isn't addressing the problem, it's an imperfect and impractical temporary hold-off.
I just got a fleeting thought... if you are doing bad movies reactions thing then please do recommend some good sci-fi movies. I would love to know what movies Dr. Simon Clark likes😬
I mean I already did the video on chicken run, what more is there to say?
@@SimonClark Chicken Run is the greatest movie of all time
Ah!... i saw the movie just because you made the video 👌👌👍
Neil deGrasse Tyson was quite taken with 'The Martian' ruclips.net/video/HzNyMUuQfmE/видео.html
Hollywood: Hurricane? Zap! Blizzard? Zap!
Simon: Science? Zap!
LOL, picture a group of office workers fighting over the thermostat setting
it will not end well
"The day after tomorrow" is calling you. It's a movie btw.
Also tell us if there's a movie involving atmospheric science that's really accurate.
Simon: "It is not like in a single year the world will go NOW we are in the apocalypse".
2020: Hold my beer!
How much extra greenhouse gasses would be put into the atmosphere as a consequence of this many satellite launches?
I would love to hear you talk more about geoengineering! I wrote a paper on solar management for uni last year and it was a really interesting subject. I'd love to hear your opinions as an atmospheric physicist. I'll definitely be checking out your Notion page, but if you ever fancy making a video about it I'd love to see it
Yeah , expecially considering how changing the albedo of a place is geoengineering tecnically ,
Since it would alter local weater a bit
The geostorm video still didn't address what happens when CO2 levels get high enough to negatively effect land based creatures via intermingling in the rest of the air we breathe.
Ikr. The movie did not really express the main problems of global warming and certain storms
I always get a weird feeling when people talk about how unrealistic it is to go 100% renewable then turn around and advocate geoengineering. I'd love to see a follow-up video, it seems interesting!
I like how casually it was stated that an individual could forever change the climate on their own. But, for real if someone was to do it they would probably be forced by regulations into doing it a certain way by the world super powers.
"fix it without addressing the root cause", that's what we do all the time anyway 😂
Excellent video! Glad to hear your introduction with the prefix "Doctor". I'm looking forward to starting my own PhD journey soon.
i've seen the film before, and i thought (especially because of the fire and general warzone look) the madrid thing was probably due to fights/"civil war" over water or something. we've seen stuff like that already happen during massive droughts the last 2 years in india for example.
I recommend the book water knife. It's all about fighting over limited water supplies, set in the US.
This is the most exemplar combination of The Great Man myth, the god species myth and individualism ideology that I've ever seen. I think Slavoj Zizek would have a blast analyzing this one.
Out of Curiosity...Would you look at a game by the name of Frostpunk. Its basically steampunk, but the world is gone and only snow remains. I think you will be interested in it as me and other ppl have been trying to understand how something like that could happen on the scale it did and in the time frame that it did.
Might peek your interest.
Hate to be that guy, but I think the word you are looking for is "pique"
4:06 film intro: 'we are fighting back'. Simon: 'Because the Earth is not the problem. We are the problem!' Exactly. It's high time we get that into our thick skulls. Sadly the film is feeding the utterly ridiculous notion that it's us against the Earth when in fact it's more like the corporations and billionaires against the have nots.
I once was asked a question about dropping a nuke on a hurricane. I did the math on what I could find for an "average" cat 5 hurricane and like... That storm is outputting a nuclear weapon's worth of energy every second. I love the adorable, _incredible_ naïvete of the notion that you could disrupt an energy management cycle like a hurricane by...
*Checks notes*
Adding energy.
I'm afraid I might have humiliated my interlocutor, but people came to that platform, sought me out, specifically to ask dumb questions about nuclear weapons, so the interlocutor knew what they were getting into...
Not going to lie, kind of wanted to see you finish it, but I understand the pain it caused.
How about a charity stream? Every X amount raised means you stream watching another 5/10mins.
Now there's an idea...
@@SimonClark Maybe have a couple cans of beer next to you just to get you through it.
Seems to me that by far the easiest way to engineer our climate back to 'normal' is to eliminate GHG emissions over the next 20-30 years and in the same time period do large scale reforestation to sequester more carbon.
It certainly felt like the apocalypse last summer in Australia.
4:13 You've said it so correctly. "The earth is not the problem. WE are the problem."
Do you think every sci-fi movie should follow the scientific accuracies on technology if they're really trying to be as grounded as possible and avoid any supernatural elements you would see in a fantasy or horror movie?
That's a very interesting question worth discussion. I don't want to limit anyone's creativity to be fair but the mind set they used in this movie, while also not being accurate, is my real problem with it. He is right when they say they are just putting a plaster on the problem and pretending technology can fix it without actually addressing the root.
The scientific inaccuracies are another issue I'd have with it but I'm not too fused over those when we have the mindset problem. I'm not really a climate scientist so I wouldn't know as much about the inaccuracies in the first place.
As a budding Chemist who wishes to do a PhD and research into more economical methods of catalytic carbon capture, a video on geoengineering would be incredibly interesting!
I’m really sad it’s been two years. We still haven’t got it hard to do this video. I really want that more than anything right now. I don’t know why but I just do.😢😢😢
A single year in which every type of natural disaster hit....
Soooooo, we are living in a bad movies, bad year?
Yeah. 11:45. That "Lone Genius" thing came up in our work, too. It's so damned frustrating and antithetical to our entire pursuit.
Please more Geoengineering videos! Loved this one!!
i would love to more of these videos, i watch a ton of movies and weather disaster films are often very flawed, but do get alot right sometimes in unexpected areas, so it would be fun to see your reaction about things movies get right and wrong.
Can you actually do a video that goes into different types of geoengineering and the advantages/disadvantages and viability of each? with 40k memes
Am I seeing wrong or are there some minis on your shelf 😉
oh yes there are ;) swing by my twitch on Fridays to see the painting stream
Blood for the blood god skulls for the skull throne
This channel has got me through so much. Thank You.
I’m really interested to hear your take on Starlink!
I did like to recommend 'Sharknado.'
Awesome video!
I actually found it to be a bit short.. didn't realise that 16 minutes are over!
"How many extra modules did you add???"
*All of them.*
Would like to know more about geoengineering.. hope to see a follow up on this video soon! Great content Simon
"In blender apparently"
I'm dead
Would be great to see how you use notion? 👍
Joe Scott recently had a video on a related geoengineering scheme: "shades" at L1 Sun-Earth Lagrange point. I don't remember details, but it would require millions of launches with the largest rocket we still don't have and would cost quadrillions of dollars. But that, some think, is better than weaning ourselves from 19th-century energy production technology.
You're a tougher man than I am.
I couldn't get any further than five minutes into this movie.
Great Video!
Would love more content like this
I just read several of Naomi Klein's books, including "This Changes Everything" , "No is not Enough" and "On Fire". I recommend them all.
Great video. Can't wait for more book videos! Love them.
I am pretty sure that studies have been done that basically say that to stop a hurricane you would need to detonate multiple, just to clarify, MULTIPLE nuclear weapons to stop it. I think the exact math was something like three of the US's most powerful nukes per minute for potentially hours just to stop your average Hurricane.
3:50
❤️ Loved this explanation
Hey PLEASE watch the whole thing and react to it!! I love this sort of thing and it's so fun to hear your thoughts (and exasperation)
Movie: exists for 10 seconds
Simon Clark: O_O
I got in a lengthy conversation once with someone who truly epitomises the "man vs nature" mentality to the point of self parody. He legit said, and I quote, "Nature is ugly and I wish it destroyed" just because it can be a bit brutal at times. Like, good luck living. It was also a very hypocritical stance to take as he also insisted death is inherently evil and should be eliminated.
He also believed in the pipe dream of the entire human population being able to live comfortably within an area the size of whatever American supercity it was, which he used to pre-emptively "counter" any concerns about overpopulation once death has been successfully defeated, which is totally achievable.
The moment the expectation graphic popped up I knew the reality one would be set over Nobody Speak by RTJ and DJ Shadow.
Simon, I was wondering, have you watched the film Interstellar? If so, what are your thoughts on the “accurate” physics concepts used such as time dilation and the notion that the gravitational pull of a black hole could be used to propel a spacecraft from one end of a star system to another?
oh I _loathe_ how that film does the science - it goes to such lengths to be accurate in the rendering of the black hole but completely messes up the gravitational time dilation!
@@SimonClark wait it messes it up?
@@SimonClark really? They had Kip Thorne on board and everything. I have a book called the science of Interstellar which goes into detail about how it all works in the movie. Seems to check out, but hey, I dont have a PhD in physics xD
Late comment, but Simon is probably referring to the exaggerated extent of the gravitational time dilation depicted in the movie, not the concept of time dilation itself. The distance between the planet and the black hole is way too large to cause the kind of time dilation depicted in the movie (1 hour on the planet being 7 years back on earth, if I remember correctly). Doing the calculations, you find that you'd have to be 1,7 mm away from the event horizon of an earth-sized black hole for this kind of time dilation to happen. Don't even ask me how strong of a rocket you'd need to not be sucked into the hole at such a distance.
If you don't watch the whole movie how do you know whether or not it ends with a lesson about human hubris and what we actually need to be doing instead? The beginning could be setting up a revelation later.
Actually now I'm curious, what do you think of direct carbon capture?
I remember watching this movie once, at some point I was no longer able to take it seriously. I guess that may have been the point, but it was an absolute trainwreck at trying to justify its own science
Reminded of the old brainteaser about the frog in the pan of water. If you turn up the heat slowly enough will the frog jump out of the pan before it's boiled? Well of course it would. But will we?
Simon buddy pal guy friend... I live in California and we have 500 active wildfires some causing a phenomenon called "firenados". We live this movie every summer lol.
It's a very interesting video, and a very interesting topic to talk about... I'd love to hear more about geoengineering... A lot of greetings from Argentina....
I've been looking forward to this
Always enjoy your videos. Thank you Simon.
I’m slightly disturbed by some of the comments which make reference to 2020/C19. Just to be clear.. C19 is a disease that is pandemic. It is NOT the apocalypse. 🤦🏽♀️
Yes, it’s made for a crappy year. However, it is not the world’s worst year, and whilst to some it has felt like the end end of the world by the loss of loved ones, it is not the end of the world. Indeed, by each country dealing with the issue differently; it has provided a real life example of what Simon was saying about international agreement on the setting of the dial etc.
ah yes... wide putin.. excellent subtle meme choice Simon
6:17 ok no those are legit bullets 😂😂😂 they decided to shoot the planet to get good weather.
"An apocalypse scenario in a single year is extremely unlikely"
2020: hold my beer
Orbital mechanics means you can't have a satellite net like that due to different orbital paths needed. Let alone kessler syndrome. But what about dimming the sun by a space curtain around the sun-earth lagrange point?
I was gonna say why is there only 66 likes but then I realized it was only posted 6 minutes ago.
What would happen if we where to only dimm and play along here =D just the polar regions?
I actually enjoyed this movie a lot. It was really good.
please do a follow up, would be super interesting to hear what you think about the overall message from the whole film
Just like me and my old climbing mates watching Hollywood climbing films, can’t tell you how often we’ve needed unstable explosives on a days climbing.
I love the RTJ clip for international cooperation XD
"an apocalypse scenario in a single year is extremely unlikely"
2020: "Lemme introduce myself"
This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you break a scientist
So, for the start of the movie: Would you say that it is ok if one assumes its several decades in the future and even for that time an extreme year?
Very good review .I actually enjoyed it.
Love the Nobody Speak video clip in there. This was a really cool video.
I thought this to be a quite interesting video, because it helped to understand geoengineering and its problems. I have a background in economics and let me tell the economics of climate change are terrible, because they are in denial of the fact that people will have to change their way of life to "weather the storm". Most economists, on the other hand, seem like they're fighting to preserve this exactly way of life that created this issue in first place. So, it does make sense to say that geoengineering is a very neoliberal solution (I can even imagine the rational choice theory models of cost-benefit used to create these scenarios), of treating nature as the enemy - which is something economic models have been doing for decades.
"it's not going to be like a single year *snaps*, now we're in the apocalypse"
2020: °v°
How do you feel about other kinds of engineering like alternative forms of power (solar/nuclear) to help with climate change? How important are they vs things like public awareness and policy change?