So the lesson here is that the penalty for close passing vulnerable road users is normally a "driver training course" whereas close passing a car is points and fines. I get that the interactions shown here with other vehicles are much faster but it seems like the cyclists here were in far greater danger - they don't have a chassis and roll cage protecting them.
Don't forget that the "offender" has the course at his expense, so that counts as a fine (£92? Probably more) Perhaps many do not qualify for the offer of the course? Some of the higher fines / points are probably down to contesting the fixed penalty
Some of these punishments are ridiculously low. The first incident could have caused a high speed crash and they received a penalty of about £250. I had a larger fine for accidentally parking in a suspended bay a few years ago.
I agree, not sure i'd consider quite a few of those 'careless and inconsiderate', more like dangerous driving as it was clearly a choice rather than badly timed, or ill-prepared manoeuvres.
@@owieprone 100% agree, it's about time that the police started using dash cam footage as evidence to prosecute. do all police forces use this or just D&C? The amount of driving I see like this is unreal and seems to have been worse post-pandemic.
@@squicker I actually value it, if someone is driving dangerously then it deserves reporting by any means. I do think there are 2 sides to each story but still 2 wrongs doesn’t make a right. From my side if you don’t drive like an idiot then you have nothing to worry about and it wouldn’t matter what anyone sent in as I wouldn’t have to worry. I rather that than a) PC sits at the side of the road for ever waiting to see this driving only that such drivers see the copper and change their driving style for a couple of minutes so not actually catching or stopping anything and so they can get on with doing something more productive. 2) makes the roads safer if you know anyone could be filming what you are doing at anytime which could be used.
@@jlrguy2702 be careful what you wish for. You make mistakes along with every other road user including myself. Admittedly the driving in this video is appalling but dash cam vigilantes are reporting drivers for really minor everyday misdemeanours. They believe they are the law.
I think the cost of the driving test is for pure revenue purposes, as my driving instructor said that some of his students appealed against the results of the written test, and found that the test had been 'Incorrectly Marked' My stepdad never took the driving test as it was wartime back then, and he was a rally driver and raced Saab's. One of the drivers, that I was in charge of, passed his test on an aircraft carrier. The driving test, today, is a massive, revenue driven scam!
It’s great that you’re prosecuting these offences, but I must say I’m quite shocked at how low the penalties are for most of these. Especially the ones involving cyclists and other vulnerable road users 😮
I drive every single day. And the amount of cyclists around my area that ride like they own the road is incredible. 99% ride with no helmets to start. And the majority of those 99% are swerving across the road and some even in traffic just ride on the other side of the road in the oncoming lane. So while YES I do agree they are vulnerable road users. There needs to be a way of getting them punished too. If a car, or even a motorcycle for that matter decided to run red lights and ride in the oncoming lane they would have their licence taken off them. But cyclists get off free because there is no way to identify them. I believe they should have insurance and some form of registration to be able to ride on the road. And while a points system wouldn't work because you don't need a licence definitely harsh fines should be issued because if they are hit, there is a high chance they WILL be killed. Especially in a head to head collision. And then the motorist will have to live with that even though it was the cyclists own stupidity that brought the accident on. If there were harsh fines given out then people may think twice before riding recklessly.
@@WingsOfNovaaris Helmets are not required by law so you don't get to punish people for not wearing them. Helmets create a lot of wind noise around the ears which masks traffic noise. This is a common perception of car users that people on the bikes are the problem - this is arse-backwards. Bike riders who needlessly take up the full width of the road is annoying though - if you drive a car and need to overtake a person on a bike my advice as a bike user is get it done quickly and don't hang right behind us - that pisses us off.
I'm a retired teacher and have always driven carefully. Last year I was driving through a rural village with a 30 mph limit. I drove really slowly. As I reached the edge of the limit, well past any houses, being the only car on the road, no bikes or pedestrians and literally within a few metres of the 50 sign so I started to increase speed .... and set off a speed camera (which to be honest I thought was facing in the other direction). I was doing 36 according to the fine that came in the post. I got a fine and three points. I felt hard done to but I knew I was in the wrong so took it on the chin. I feel more hard done to now having seen some of these nutcases putting lives in danger who've got pretty much the same penalty as me.
I agree with you. I got done doing 42 in a 40 zone - there were no hazzards, it was light, dry, and there were no other cars on the road. There were also no pedestrians anywhere and the fields either side of the road gave a clear line of sight. The road can get busy during rush hour, but this was about 9pm in the summer. Meanwhile, I've been on the motorway in horrendous conditions, and seens cars going far too fast, whilst below the limit. Also, I used to live on an estate where there weren't enough parking spaces or garages, and cars were parked both sides of the road. Kids and animals would be about. I'd drive through that estate at less than 10mph. I was shocked when I was home early one day, and witnessed other drivers coming in, most going far too fast, yet under 30mph. At the other end of it, on an least 2 occasions, I've passed a police car on the motorway whilst going faster than 70. On neither occasion did they pull me up. If the traffic had been heavy, visibility bad, roads wet etc. i'm sure they would have. The problem with all these speed cameras is that drivers drive rigidly to posted limits, and lose all common sense and ability to read the road. With absolutley no regard for road conditions, they are not a safety feature, the are purely to gather revenue.
The problem is a camera is just a camera, a human witnessing this and sharing evidence gives context. More weight needs to go on directly putting life at risk. Some of these drivers need banning outright.
The courts obviously see vulnerable road users as an inconvenience too. I was stopped at a red traffic light on my motorcycle and a car plowed into the back of me, it wrote my bike off and severely damaged the car in front. I suffered a shattered sacrum, also damage to my spine in the lumber area. The police decided not to prosecute the driver that hit me. Yet I'm still unable to sit, bend or walk properly after 2 yrs. Awesome stuff eh!
@@Jonathan_Doe_ filtering on a bike is not always the safe solution. One time I filtered to the front and stopped in front of the lead car. Immediately the lights turned green, the first oncoming car accelerated hard, intending to turn into the side street on my left. I was pulling away when I got hit hard by the turning car. Forks, front wheel etc bent up, and I got a back injury.
@@pashakdescilly7517 I’ve had that exact same scenario (hadn’t even filtered I was just first) and had to throw the anchor out, the saying “just because you’ve got the green doesn’t mean you aren’t dead” is definitely one to remember, car drivers really don’t understand how much quicker bikes accelerate so they assume they’ll have time to nip in front of you.
In the Hayle incident, obviously the lighter blue car was seriously at fault. But shouldn't the dark blue car driver also have been prosecuted as he deliberately veered out towards the centre of the road and greatly increased the risk of a head-on collision? Please respond, Devon & Cornwall OPCC, because, if the darker car's actions were correct and as you would recommend in this situation, then I need to go on a driver training course.
Exactly what I thought watching that. Selfish unsmart person: "I am in the right, I am not gonna give up my space, I don't care, I don't understand that moving over may actually save some health and lives, possibly even mine ..." Pure stupidy to me. Every normal person will react quickly and move over to the side as much as it could while slowing down. Not to be a courteous, but to help avoiding the risk of accident. This should be a natural reaction for every driver. But I think people gets used to the driving today in their modern, cosy and safe cars like it's a any other, easy normal every day task. But they are forgetting that driving is a bit more than that, they are forgetting that in one split second, one bad decision, lack of concentration and lack of luck could lead to the whole life to be change significantly. I am a hgv driver in UK. The amount of time I have to give way to incompetent people who can't read the road markings, correctly judge the road position and inevitable would end up in my truck if I don't slow/stop, move over for them is shocking. If I had the attitude of that person from the video, I would be involved in a incidents caused by other people probably every day. Shocking really. Please think and be responsible while driving.
I thought the fine was for the driver of dark blue car. The light blue car was out on the other side of the road for ages before any on coming car is shown in the clip. The dark car sped up and blocked the light blue car in the execution of the overtaking manoeuvre. The light blue car was put in the impossible position by the dark blue car. So, who did get the fine is what I would like to know. If the dark blue car got away without a fine, that sets an interest set of questions in motion. I'm sure we all know the highway code, rule 168 is clearly broken by the dark blue car...... so who was it PC Road traffic officer, dark blue, light blue, or both?
@@martincampbell5499 I'd assumed the same as you. The overtake was ok, but the other car sped up. Even if the overtake wasn't the best, the other guy deliberately forced the overtaker (and other road users) into danger. He was definitely the one at fault here.
@@martincampbell5499 yes I'd agree, the driver of the dark SAAB is in the wrong. From what I could see the overtaking manoeuvre looked like it was legal.
As mentioned below, shocking to see that people on bikes or on foot that could be seriously injured if clipped by a motorbike or car only get a driver awareness course, not stiff enough penalties,
@@Sheen334 I've given your comment a thumbs btw. Every been hit by a car John? - thrice me I think. Been quite lucky really no real lasting damage. Ever lost racing mates to cars?- I can immediately think of three (|Chris (2008), Ian (1995), & Jim (2003) including my training & two up team time trial partner who was killed after being hit from behind by a people carrier doing 80 mph. My mate Pete had to go round and tell his widow the news. I think the driver got six points and a £300 fine.
Why were so many of the incidents against vulnerable road users dealt with via a training course only, whereas the incidents against people in 2 ton metal boxes get a more serious point and fine? Terrible message to send out.
Minor trafic violation for training course, severe traffic violations cost points. Don't confuse a trafic violation with an actual accident. Keep safe, and be a good human, camera's are watching you and judging every move you make. Great message to send out.
I think I have seen some of these before but they are truly shocking. What I want to know is why these aren’t prosecuted as Dangerous Driving - they are all clearly premeditated breaking of Highway Code in terms of must nots so clearly fall way below standard expected of drivers??? Devon and Cornwal Police please respond.
Dangerous driving is a harder charge to bring to a successful conviction should the defendant choose to contest it. I don't know about you but six points on my licence for 'due care' would mortify me, especially come insurance renewal time - and that's when it starts to bite. I'd rather they cop a 'due care' than get away with a failed dangerous driving.
Many of these incidents the courts and Police term ' careless & inconsiderate' I would call 'reckless and life endangering' - and the punishment should be cancellation of licence, so they have to take their test again, a driving ban and much larger fines - because the people who drive so dangerously do it all the time
The vast majority of these clips show driving that is not "careless", but outright "dangerous". The fact noone was hurt does not diminish the danger these drivers are to both themselves, and others. Some of the clips show near misses that are inches away from life changing, yet the perpetrators have no thought of reducing speed, or backing out of the position they are determined to put others in. A fine and points just doesn't cut it when these people can continue driving.
Yes, I was dumbstruck by the low penalties. Some of them are less than you would receive in Queensland for speeding less than 10k over the limit ($284).
The fines are pathetic, all should be four figures minimum. And as for the ones with the cyclists, sending people on a course to learn what they should already know as their sole ‘punishment’ is beyond words.
@@d2m542 i agree the fines or the lack of fines and points where cyclists or horses are involved seem wrong to me. i think they should have been included along with the driver training. car hits car call insurance, car hits cyclist call ambulance.
@@fugdefano I honestly think that there would be less incidents involving cyclists; if motorists were made to take the Bikeability courses as part of their driving licences. Perhaps a spell horse riding should be included too...!!!
At 0:56, Both should have been prosecuted. The saab driver pushing the other vehicle out is hardly good driving. Nice to see that magistrates down there are handing out more than just the normal minimums.
I disagree The saab has the right to use all his lane ,from the inner white line,or curb to the middle white line, he has no legal obligation to " breath in" to help an illegal overtaking manoeuvre, Obviously most of us would move to the inside of the lane as a form of life preservation, but they are not obliged to by law.
@@brianiswrong Rule 168. Not a specific law but failure to follow the HWC can result in prosecution. Always worth bearing in mind when you have "no legal obligation".
We've got a big problem with them where I am at. Nothing has been done and so it continues. Revoke their license permanently with no appeals, scrap their vehicle and send them the bill for the entire process.
I remember driving in France being particularly dangerous in the 70s and 80s, but I noticed years later that it seemed a lot better and said so to a French friend. He told me that "we were tamed", a result of a big national clampdown on bad driving by the French police in the 90s, with more traffic cops, new laws and harsher sanctions. These cams being used as police evidence may have the same effect here in the UK. Generally drivers in the UK are polite, well behaved and competent, but there are always a few idiots everywhere.
I live in France and installed a dashcam in my car a few months ago. Apart from a couple of very minor incidents which were not really dangerous, the standard of driving is remarkably high. Perhaps it's the area I live in (Grand Est).
@@williamgeorgefraser SW France here, been using a dashcam for a few years now. There still is the 2 pm trouble, drivers that had a liquid lunch. Or the senile old codgers driving at 70 kph everywhere. Don't start me on voiture sans permis.
I live in Paris and honestly it’s now a nightmare to drive here. Worsened since the covid. People have never been so impatient and aggresive. Lot of news relating this situation. Recently a father stabbed in front of his daughter for a red light. I never thought it would be the same in UK.
I find drivers where I live very polite, too. Sometimes people accelerate if you overtake them, but that's about the only flaw I see. Incredibly dangerous one though.
@@tnimbus every hour of every ride, its disappointing that for most of the cycling clips only a driver training course was considered. In one clip the cyclist was hit by the driver
I’m in no way on the side of the motorists who close passes the cyclist, I’m actually a cycling trainer. Those where the cars were very close could have been, at least, discouraged if not prevented by a more defensive line by the cyclists, adopting the primary position may rile impatient drivers but it takes away their opportunity to close pass, it can be argued that riding in the secondary position/over to the left can be seen as encouragement to pass, almost submissive, but primary position shouldn’t be the default, it should be used when appropriate. I realise it takes nerve to adopt a more defensive riding style like that but you need confidence to ride anyway.
@@craigkearns6425 Totally agree. Been riding (including a spell racing) over 40 years now - in that time seen a number of deaths due to drivers and spent a lot of time in hospitals vising mates with broken legs. Defensive riding is paramount. Otherwise you will literally be driven off the road. Saying that of late I've seen a lot of stupid riders that wouldn't be allowed to wear club colours back in the day...
A few years a go, i had a man hit me from behind, then drive down the side of my car, managed to catch up to him at some traffic lights, blocked him in and called the police. He then tried to run me over hitting me in the legs. The police turned up and just let him go, just told me to deal with my insurance company - This was in London, Camden. Worst part was that many years later whilst renewing my car insurance, where i had put no claims for 9 years, was told it was noted i had been in a car accident, went to the old insurance company and they told me the other driver at the time had put in a claim, and they had paid out £400 pounds, they never contacted me about it and had no other information on why i was not informed and what the claim was actually for.
Insurance companies are a law onto themselves. Beware of any interraction with them, it's an opportunity for them to make money from you for years to come. Sometimes, it's better to pay for damage caused by others (or yourself) as otherwise even in no-fault cases they will increase your premiums and others in your postcode. They really milk the private motorist, compared with corporate customers, I see companies paying £750 per anum for insurance on expensive (£40k-£60k), moderately powerfulf -high end cars (BMW, Audi), with no regards for where the driver lives, etc. Yet private motorists will pay a fortune to insure the same car, essentially subsidising the very competitive corporate sector.
A lot of these situations could have been de-escalated if the drivers with the right of way just gave way to those in the wrong and not put other innocent road users at risk because of righteous entitlement. That Saab that kept the dangerously overtaking car in the oncoming lane was bang out of order.
I partially agree, the sheer entitlement of the overtaking car didn't even give in trying to overtake, you can't read other people's minds, and really the Saab driver should continue as he is really the safest thing, he didn't speed up, change course or anything, the blue car was totally reckless and nearly caused a collision. What if the Saab and blue car both slowed down as the blue car tried to pull in. If I was overtaking then I would want the car I'm overtaking to continue at the same speed and direction so I could account for it, if they start changing what they are doing it's an added challenge, if however the blue car had passed the Saab then sure the Saab should have just let him in, but he hadn't even drawn level.
@@squicker agree but I wouldn’t slow down if I was the Saab unless the blue car had significantly passed me so that it made sense to, other wise both me and the overtaking car could both be slowing down and that again would keep the overtaking driver out in the middle of the road. Conceding and giving way is one thing I think everyone should do it’s not worth it. Really the blue car driver should have slowed and rejoined the right lane as he hadn’t anywhere near completed the overtaking manoeuvre.
@@squicker true but he hadn’t even drawn level before he started to pull into the side of him. And really would you expect to see a car overtaking you there, the Saab driver should be keeping his eyes on the road ahead, he’s not looking to overtake, there’s cars coming in the opposite direction so wouldn’t expect to get overtaken, he’s following another car so I would estimate he hadn’t even seen the overtaking car until the last minute if at all. He didn’t even pull away when the blue car nearly drove into the side of him.
@@squicker I’ve left the powerful cars selling my X5, A8 and S4 and just getting a hyper fuel efficient SUV that does 80mpg on the motorway. Yes it takes me a little longer to get anywhere as I now keep to less than national limits, but I stay out of the fast lane if I can help it, I don’t get stressed, I don’t worry about speed cameras and I have plenty of time to figure out what idiots are doing an space to avoid them.
@@squicker I live in the UK so no unlimited roads here, partially the reason for turning to more frugal transport especially as I do around 30k miles a year. Are unlimited stretches of autobahn decreasing?
Thanks Devon and Cornwall OPCC for highlighting the disparity between penalties handed out for putting other car users in danger and vulnerable road users in danger. Very informative.
Most of the fined motorists who put other car occupants at risk were much closer to having an actual collision than the driver-training-course-only close passes though, so seems explicable to me.
The inconsistency in punishments is what annoys people the most. One driver nearly has a head on, gets 5 points. The golf driver over takes when he shouldn’t and gets 7. Make it make sense.
Great work lads ! This sort of bad behaviour is rampant here in Southern Ireland and nothing is ever done about it ! I was on my bike and stopped at a light controlled crossing as the lights were red and a lady with a pram was crossing - A tosspot passed me out and nearly cut the poor girl in half - all the stuff from the pram spilled on the road - I had the whole incident on camera - reg no, lights red, girl screaming the lot - Garda couldn't be bothered as it was a local councillors wife and she was in a hurry FFS The Gardai really need to up their game
Perhaps they could train Irish drivers to keep to the left on motorways whilst they’re at it. As a nation, our driving is shocking. Slow, selfish, careless and at the same time, somewhat aggressive.
@@colin5577 N7, between Dublin & Naas: spiritual home of C.L.O.G. - the Centre Lane Owners Group. In recent decades, hundreds of millions were spent adding a third lane, and now all the CLOGgers sit in the centre lane in light and medium-density traffic, literally wasting those millions every day...
Great to see some action being taken, but more needed. Only once the odds switch to "high percent chance you will be caught" from "high percent chance you will get away with it" will attitudes change and fewer offences be committed. Start using all roadside cameras, cctv, submitted dashcam footage, etc, prosecute. Get a streamlined system in place to prosecute with minimum fuss, fine and points. Once you have reduced the number of offences right down, then you can go after the worst and most persistent offenders.
01:25: This is called "dangerous intervention in road traffic" in Germany. A fine or imprisonment of up to five years can be threatened. However, the maximum sentence can also be ten years if the perpetrator wanted to enable or cover up another criminal offense through his actions or the offense led to serious damage to the health of another person or a large number of people. In addition to imprisonment or a fine, the perpetrator must expect further sanctions. If the judge and the driving license authority assume that the driver is unfit to drive, the driver's license may be withdrawn and three points in Flensburg. If the offender is allowed to keep his driver's license, two points are provided in Flensburg. In this case, a driving ban can also be ordered. However, the punishment seen here is a frightening joke, since it lacks the deterrent character.
@@raftonpounder6696 Oh, and you can decide that? Unlike you, I took a close look at the situation. Stopping on a motorway or expressway to discipline the following driver is a dangerous intervention in road traffic in Germany. Braking in order to force another road user to behave in a certain way meets the criminal offense. Blocking the way of another person using one's own means of transport can also constitute an offense. The braking could also have produced a rear-end collision. But you have deliberately overlooked that. I don't know where you get your wisdom from, but it's not particularly fact-based. Invest in some education. It would make sense, because you don't have a clue about the rules in Germany. Or are you one of those drivers who do exactly what we were allowed to admire here?
@@Ul.B maybe we’re talking about different incidents? The time stamp you put on was at the start of a clip of a motorcycle weaving through traffic. I presume the clip you’re talking about is the one of the idiot stopping in the middle of the road? That’s a completely different story.
@@raftonpounder6696 I don't know what times you're working with, but the time 01:25 clearly refers to a deliberate braking on a motorway or expressway. The motorcycle only starts at 01:30. If you're using a device with the wrong time information, then I can't help you either.
How many of the 43 Forces in England and Wales don’t have an Op Snap equivalent David? I’m sure you did your research before your criticism, so what are the numbers please?
I refer to police Scotland and the lack of a suitable portal, although I’m assured that as of 2022 they have received funding to provide such a service, but I have not checked if it’s active.
@@davidbarnes241 one of the issues is the amount of reports the police get, there is so much bad driving on the road a lot are not followed up. The met (I think) even stopped accepting uploads at one time as they couldn't cope with the reports.
@DS It wouldn’t surprise me at all that this is the case. Too busy knocking on doors of those who don’t have a TV licence or following up allegations of hate crime 👌
The M5 in Devon and Somerset is the motorway with consistently the most dangerous deriving I have seen. And I was a pretty high mileage driver for the last 30 years. Two incidents recently have made me buy a dash cam.
As a Devon resident I was happy to learn that police take dashcam evidence seriously. However does the offence of "dangerous driving" no longer exist? Because that's what a lot of these incidents clearly were.
The fines for the murderous and extremely reckless driving incidents shown in this video are pathetic. An outright invitation to do it again. Jail time starting at a minimum of6 months would be more appropriate.
From the USA, so glad you have this! Despite our differences, I would hope we have in common the belief that with the breakdown of traffic laws begins anarchy.
Only difference is in the US the person who commits the offence would either be shot dead by the victim or more likely the police. Especially if they are black.
Big brother is now watching policing the cheapest way possible. There's definitely not any where enough traffic police on the roads today. There was whole traffic police once. Now all shut down and and sadly gone. The ones that are about now are over worked.
People will drive like this as long as the punishments are piss-ass lenient. If the punishment was getting battered to within an inch of their life with a blunt instrument, it might eventually act as a deterrant (**DISCLAIMER** I am not literally advocating this).
Careless or inconsiderate driving sounds a bit lenient for some of those passes going head on with other traffic, is there not a dangerous driving category?
Well done to the Devon & Cornwall OPCC. More countries should follow this example by using video footage from road users. The near misses with the push bikes should have more of a penalty than a 'Driver Education Course. Sometimes, hitting their pockets is the only way they will learn.
I disagree. Losing a licence will hurt far more than a £200 fine. It should be a £5000 fine for some of this. How much is the cost of a funeral these days?
It's a pity your colleagues in Humberside police don't have the same dedication, I sent a video in to them a few months ago of a van driver deliberately trying to run me off the road and they said no offence had been committed and even suggested I should stop driving because the actions of the van driver almost triggered my implanted ICD to go off absolutely disgusting. At least Devon and Cornwall Police seem to be doing their jobs.
I don't ride and have never ridden a horse, but I would never ever go past that close or fast to one at 2:46 . There are two levels of considerate, appreciating someone else exists and the other is imagining being in their shoes, that driver did neither.
When I was 18 I got £600 fine and 5 points for doing 37mph in a 30mph zone, seems kinda harsh compared to these way more dangerous acts in this video. I guess they’re more harsh on teenagers or something
if it had of been your 1st time court speeding you would of been offered a speed awareness course. also fines go up if you either don't pay within 14 days or decide to contest it in court.
@@pocky1scot1 well it's not, these dangerous overtakes are infinitely worse than just speeding, what if you’re speeding at 2am when there’s no cars about? Not really dangerous but these manoeuvres in this video are dangerous.
The leniency of the penalties, whether it was monitory, points, or driver training in almost all cases, was astonishing. So many bordered on attempted vehicular homicide. The mind is left in bewilderment.
I’ve noticed that a lot of mature male cyclists are refusing to use the very expensively built cycle route paths alongside busy main roads on the grounds that “debris build up causes frequent punctures” and prefer to hold up rivers of traffic on the main road instead. (I am also a keen cyclist by the way).
Beieve me, if cycle paths were built and maintained properly, then cyclists would use them, most are not much more than than an uneven, narrow and overgrown strip of of poorly founded and laid tarmac, usually overgrown decaying and ill designed, and possibly more dangerous to pedestians and riders alike.
@@chrisyarnold6205 realistically, I don’t see the local authority finding more non- existent money to do more than they have already done to better-maintain cycle paths. (I wonder though, if the Cyclist Touring Club of Great Britain would perhaps be interested in encouraging members to form local volunteer groups to help keep these paths clear?) …
@@philtucker1224 It shouldn't change cyclists rights to cycle on the road anyway, it is not just about maintenance, but design and build quality as well. I have literally ridden thousands of miles in my lifetime, but cycle paths in this country are disgraceful.
my dad was a trafic cop for many years driving around his rover sd1 3.5 but my dad taught me something important he said i do not judge people and there is no tolerence met by me i do my job nothing more
Suspension of license, yes, but fines are really just 'the price to commit this offence'. If you're wealthy, fines make no difference to you whatsoever.
As a driving instructor, the attitude some Learners have towards cyclists is shocking. This nearly always stems from watching their parents behaviour. I believe it’s going to take a generation to change attitudes, but ‘some’ inconsiderate cyclists don’t help my cause any, particularly clubs on rural roads.
I agree, I am a pedestrian, cyclist, car driver and van driver. As a cyclist I try and ride with due consideration for other road users so when on narrow roads I pull over when safe to do so to let vehicles pass. I normally get a thank you and hope that I have helped my safety and others by not letting a driver get irritated and or late as angry and late can lead to mistakes. I also hope to show that some cyclists are ok. I do not seem to get many close passes but do get a few the most amusing instance being hit from behind in a que by a by a car that then claimed I reversed into him......
OK this may be an unpopular viewpoint but it is valid nonetheless. If someone is trying to overtake you, don't speed up, even if they are an idiot. Let them pass even if you have to slow up a little. That's what my dad told me 40 years ago learning to drive and it's the best thing to do. I see some drivers here that seem to deliberately speed up or not slow down to let someone pass and it just makes it more dangerous for everyone involved tbh. The clip @0:41 is fairly typical, says fine points etc, tbh I think the guy in the saab needed some points and a fine as well.
Not only was the Saab driver speeding up but he also tried to fend him off by steering over to the centre line, forcing the oncoming traffic to the brink, withholding a car's width of room on his other side. I agree: he too should have been penalised.
On camera, just like the drivers I suspect Fortunately, cyclist red light jumpers area lot less likely to cause a fatality or serious injury, should they impact with anything/anyone. More likely to hurt themselves.
The driver of the black Saab in the second video should have prosecuted. He deliberately pulled towards the middle of the road to give the 4x4 no room. He actively forced the Saab into oncoming traffic. Shocking and extremely dangerous driving
Having spent several years as a professional motorcycle rider trainer and advanced rider trainer I have to say this: 00:43 .... The Dacia driver 100% wrong. Obviously. However what is wrong with the Saab driver's mind? If that all goes wrong for Mr Dacia, the Saab driver is in just as much if not more trouble. IMO the Saab driver was just as dangerous as the Dacia driver and should have been prosecuted as well. My advice to anyone, motorcycle, car, HGV driver or any other road user ... When you see trouble forming around you - Get away from it. 99% of the time that means check your mirrors and slow down, get away from the trouble, do not be that Saab driver. Inappropriate use of speed kills ... But so does bl**dy minded arrogance.
He didn’t partially cause the issue he SOLEY caused the issue overtaking is not illegal stopping someone from over taking like this is the Saab is a dirt bag
@@gingernutpreacher I agree but their is a pressure when your committed to finish the Sabb will have karma he could of killed the guy their was clearly a gap the Dacia wanted to pass in and their was clearly more to the footage of the sabb driver wasn’t the one with the points then this system is so corrupt
@@dndkillaztreble5317 yeah the Saab tried to push the Dacia in to the oncoming traffic it's one thing to speed up another to protentialy course a head on
With many years driving experience in the UK and elsewhere I can say that it is not that bad here. Yet, you can see that everywhere you find some examples of misbehaving.
The clip on A30 Carland Cross, what are the legal rights when someone is approaching you like this in an aggressive manner? If the left lane had been constantly flowing with no way to get in would you be legally entitled to go through the man on the right, potentially injuring/killing him? You have no idea what his intentions are or what he could be carrying when he aggressively comes towards you
Given that you don't know his intentions, running through him would be excessive force and thus not a defence in court. If no one behind, start backing up. Otherwise keep the doors locked and wait until you do know his intentions. If they start to hit the car or try to get in then you would now have better idea of his intentions and in fact if hes to the side of the car at the door you could pull away and around to the right with out going straight through him, maybe just a side swipe or run over his toes for a bit of karma. This would be much more defensible in court.
These were not careless driving, that is when you are not paying attention! These drivers were perfectly aware of what they were doing and this is dangerous driving which is far more serious…..and lose the bloody awful music!
"Careless & inconsiderate driving" No. A lot of these are DANGEROUS DRIVING! Why are those risking the lives of vulnerable road users (cyclists and horseriders) getting just a proverbial slap on the wrist? Oh, and the guy that undertook, forced his way in front, then stopped and got out of his car, that was not careless, that was deliberate threatening behaviour!
0:04 If overtaking across a double continuous white line, which is a conscious decision, a choice, and thereby risking serious injury or death to oncoming traffic, is described as "careless" or "inconsiderate", tell me please what constitutes the charge of Dangerous Driving? Basically, if you want to kill someone in the UK just use your car, you can get away with a small fine. The message the courts are sending out is "Driving like this will not be tolerated...and we'll be a bit cross".
Disappointing penalty points. Driving without any consideration for other road users. Potentially could cause serious injury......3 points 🤔. Same as doing 34 mph in a 30 mph zone.
It beggars belief that some of those offences are not Dangerous Driving convictions. This is either police decision makers taking the easy option and not charging dangerous where they should (or applying crap rationale) or the CPS prosecutor accepting a guilty plea for Careless when they absolutely should not. Disgraceful.
Why are all of the acts against cyclists & horse riders only punished with a course when those are the acts where a) the victim was in real danger and b) obviously the driver knew what they were doing and didn’t care about the safety of another human being? Another police force that obviously prioritises the value of motor vehicles over safety, just like Hertfordshire Constabulary
Crime-attempted murder. Penalty-pathetic. Or,they're blind,or they just don't give a flip,but they pay tax AND buy petrol,so they're much more important.
Personally, I try not to judge. *My friend's daughter was dying, and he went through every red light and broke many rules, trying to get to her. Unfrtunatley, she died a few minutes before he got to her home!* *I'll spare the details of her death, but it wasn't pleasant!!!*
So what is considered as dangerous driving nowadays? All of these incidents looked dangerous to me but it seems the police only think driving like a maniac (or stopping and getting out of your car on the A30) is simply careless and inconsiderate......
Some of these weren’t “inconsiderate” some were deliberately dangerous. The guy brake checking to a standstill on the overtaking lane of a dual carriageway should be done for endangering lives and banned from driving. I can’t think of anything more dangerous than forcing someone to stop in the “fast lane” on a clear dual carriageway.
And this shows you the warped priorities of our 'Police Service': lawlessness is endemic, crimes do not get investigated, let alone solved, but there is plenty of money for Stasi style surveillance and fines. Risible.
It's great that you are prosecuting, but why is obviously dangerous driving e.g. overtaking against oncoming traffic, only ever prosecuted as careless driving?
So the lesson here is that the penalty for close passing vulnerable road users is normally a "driver training course" whereas close passing a car is points and fines. I get that the interactions shown here with other vehicles are much faster but it seems like the cyclists here were in far greater danger - they don't have a chassis and roll cage protecting them.
The law loves cars more than people, like the saying goes "if you want to kill someone and get away with it use your car".
Exactly my observation.
Don't forget that the "offender" has the course at his expense, so that counts as a fine (£92? Probably more)
Perhaps many do not qualify for the offer of the course?
Some of the higher fines / points are probably down to contesting the fixed penalty
Life is cheap apparently.
Prejudice, bias and discrimination against cyclists is real and endemic across society. Especially in the courts.
Some of these punishments are ridiculously low. The first incident could have caused a high speed crash and they received a penalty of about £250. I had a larger fine for accidentally parking in a suspended bay a few years ago.
I agree, not sure i'd consider quite a few of those 'careless and inconsiderate', more like dangerous driving as it was clearly a choice rather than badly timed, or ill-prepared manoeuvres.
@@owieprone 100% agree, it's about time that the police started using dash cam footage as evidence to prosecute. do all police forces use this or just D&C? The amount of driving I see like this is unreal and seems to have been worse post-pandemic.
@@squicker I actually value it, if someone is driving dangerously then it deserves reporting by any means. I do think there are 2 sides to each story but still 2 wrongs doesn’t make a right.
From my side if you don’t drive like an idiot then you have nothing to worry about and it wouldn’t matter what anyone sent in as I wouldn’t have to worry. I rather that than a) PC sits at the side of the road for ever waiting to see this driving only that such drivers see the copper and change their driving style for a couple of minutes so not actually catching or stopping anything and so they can get on with doing something more productive. 2) makes the roads safer if you know anyone could be filming what you are doing at anytime which could be used.
@@jlrguy2702 be careful what you wish for. You make mistakes along with every other road user including myself. Admittedly the driving in this video is appalling but dash cam vigilantes are reporting drivers for really minor everyday misdemeanours. They believe they are the law.
@@davemorris6747 but if you’re not breaking the law then you have nothing to worry about end of.
Here in Norway, these infractions would result in £1200 fines and losing the driver's license for three years
Norway.
need that law here in the Uk buddy to
It's a slap on the wrist here.
I'm amazed that none of these incidents seem to cross the threshold into dangerous driving.
Your right, more cyclists should be prosecuted for dangerous driving
@@lenholloway4390 - Pipe down salad-dodger!
@@lenholloway439030,000 are killed or seriously injured by motorists every year, not cyclists genius 🙄
@@lenholloway4390It’s not possible to be charged with dangerous driving as a cyclist. They can get you for wanton/furious cycling.
Considering the driving test has become much harder (and expensive), the standard of a lot of today’s driving is shocking
It can't have. This is evidence. Driving is a complete free for all these days
I think the cost of the driving test is for pure revenue purposes, as my driving instructor said that some of his students appealed against the results of the written test, and found that the test had been 'Incorrectly Marked'
My stepdad never took the driving test as it was wartime back then, and he was a rally driver and raced Saab's. One of the drivers, that I was in charge of, passed his test on an aircraft carrier.
The driving test, today, is a massive, revenue driven scam!
@@juststuff5216 Aircraft carrier! What was the vehicle, an F15?
@@rjones6219 Chuckle! Thank you for the image of doing a 3 point turn in an F15 on an aircraft carrier!!
Harder????? They don't, reverse round a corner, parallel park, turn in the road and you think it's harder?
It’s great that you’re prosecuting these offences, but I must say I’m quite shocked at how low the penalties are for most of these. Especially the ones involving cyclists and other vulnerable road users 😮
Cyclists don't matter 😁👍
I drive every single day. And the amount of cyclists around my area that ride like they own the road is incredible. 99% ride with no helmets to start. And the majority of those 99% are swerving across the road and some even in traffic just ride on the other side of the road in the oncoming lane. So while YES I do agree they are vulnerable road users. There needs to be a way of getting them punished too. If a car, or even a motorcycle for that matter decided to run red lights and ride in the oncoming lane they would have their licence taken off them. But cyclists get off free because there is no way to identify them. I believe they should have insurance and some form of registration to be able to ride on the road. And while a points system wouldn't work because you don't need a licence definitely harsh fines should be issued because if they are hit, there is a high chance they WILL be killed. Especially in a head to head collision. And then the motorist will have to live with that even though it was the cyclists own stupidity that brought the accident on. If there were harsh fines given out then people may think twice before riding recklessly.
I thought this exact point too. Incidents with vulnerable road users get a driver training course, other incidents a fine and points.
@@WingsOfNovaaris Helmets are not required by law so you don't get to punish people for not wearing them. Helmets create a lot of wind noise around the ears which masks traffic noise. This is a common perception of car users that people on the bikes are the problem - this is arse-backwards. Bike riders who needlessly take up the full width of the road is annoying though - if you drive a car and need to overtake a person on a bike my advice as a bike user is get it done quickly and don't hang right behind us - that pisses us off.
I'm a retired teacher and have always driven carefully. Last year I was driving through a rural village with a 30 mph limit. I drove really slowly. As I reached the edge of the limit, well past any houses, being the only car on the road, no bikes or pedestrians and literally within a few metres of the 50 sign so I started to increase speed .... and set off a speed camera (which to be honest I thought was facing in the other direction). I was doing 36 according to the fine that came in the post. I got a fine and three points. I felt hard done to but I knew I was in the wrong so took it on the chin. I feel more hard done to now having seen some of these nutcases putting lives in danger who've got pretty much the same penalty as me.
I bet that taught you a lesson 😄
Never ask someone if they're a retired teacher. They will tell you anyway.
I agree with you. I got done doing 42 in a 40 zone - there were no hazzards, it was light, dry, and there were no other cars on the road. There were also no pedestrians anywhere and the fields either side of the road gave a clear line of sight. The road can get busy during rush hour, but this was about 9pm in the summer.
Meanwhile, I've been on the motorway in horrendous conditions, and seens cars going far too fast, whilst below the limit. Also, I used to live on an estate where there weren't enough parking spaces or garages, and cars were parked both sides of the road. Kids and animals would be about. I'd drive through that estate at less than 10mph. I was shocked when I was home early one day, and witnessed other drivers coming in, most going far too fast, yet under 30mph.
At the other end of it, on an least 2 occasions, I've passed a police car on the motorway whilst going faster than 70. On neither occasion did they pull me up. If the traffic had been heavy, visibility bad, roads wet etc. i'm sure they would have.
The problem with all these speed cameras is that drivers drive rigidly to posted limits, and lose all common sense and ability to read the road.
With absolutley no regard for road conditions, they are not a safety feature, the are purely to gather revenue.
The problem is a camera is just a camera, a human witnessing this and sharing evidence gives context. More weight needs to go on directly putting life at risk. Some of these drivers need banning outright.
You should have been offered a speeding awareness course
The courts obviously see vulnerable road users as an inconvenience too.
I was stopped at a red traffic light on my motorcycle and a car plowed into the back of me, it wrote my bike off and severely damaged the car in front. I suffered a shattered sacrum, also damage to my spine in the lumber area.
The police decided not to prosecute the driver that hit me. Yet I'm still unable to sit, bend or walk properly after 2 yrs. Awesome stuff eh!
Bet you got a huge compo claim though so stop your moaning
@@scott2495 enjoy your crayons for lunch 🤤.
That’s why I always filter where possible so I’m not sat behind a car waiting to end up in the middle of a car sandwich.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ filtering on a bike is not always the safe solution. One time I filtered to the front and stopped in front of the lead car. Immediately the lights turned green, the first oncoming car accelerated hard, intending to turn into the side street on my left. I was pulling away when I got hit hard by the turning car. Forks, front wheel etc bent up, and I got a back injury.
@@pashakdescilly7517 I’ve had that exact same scenario (hadn’t even filtered I was just first) and had to throw the anchor out, the saying “just because you’ve got the green doesn’t mean you aren’t dead” is definitely one to remember, car drivers really don’t understand how much quicker bikes accelerate so they assume they’ll have time to nip in front of you.
In the Hayle incident, obviously the lighter blue car was seriously at fault. But shouldn't the dark blue car driver also have been prosecuted as he deliberately veered out towards the centre of the road and greatly increased the risk of a head-on collision? Please respond, Devon & Cornwall OPCC, because, if the darker car's actions were correct and as you would recommend in this situation, then I need to go on a driver training course.
Exactly what I thought watching that. Selfish unsmart person: "I am in the right, I am not gonna give up my space, I don't care, I don't understand that moving over may actually save some health and lives, possibly even mine ..." Pure stupidy to me. Every normal person will react quickly and move over to the side as much as it could while slowing down. Not to be a courteous, but to help avoiding the risk of accident. This should be a natural reaction for every driver. But I think people gets used to the driving today in their modern, cosy and safe cars like it's a any other, easy normal every day task. But they are forgetting that driving is a bit more than that, they are forgetting that in one split second, one bad decision, lack of concentration and lack of luck could lead to the whole life to be change significantly.
I am a hgv driver in UK. The amount of time I have to give way to incompetent people who can't read the road markings, correctly judge the road position and inevitable would end up in my truck if I don't slow/stop, move over for them is shocking. If I had the attitude of that person from the video, I would be involved in a incidents caused by other people probably every day. Shocking really. Please think and be responsible while driving.
I thought the fine was for the driver of dark blue car. The light blue car was out on the other side of the road for ages before any on coming car is shown in the clip. The dark car sped up and blocked the light blue car in the execution of the overtaking manoeuvre. The light blue car was put in the impossible position by the dark blue car. So, who did get the fine is what I would like to know. If the dark blue car got away without a fine, that sets an interest set of questions in motion. I'm sure we all know the highway code, rule 168 is clearly broken by the dark blue car...... so who was it PC Road traffic officer, dark blue, light blue, or both?
@@martincampbell5499 I have assumed the fine was for the light blue car, the one which performs the overtake.
@@martincampbell5499 I'd assumed the same as you. The overtake was ok, but the other car sped up. Even if the overtake wasn't the best, the other guy deliberately forced the overtaker (and other road users) into danger. He was definitely the one at fault here.
@@martincampbell5499 yes I'd agree, the driver of the dark SAAB is in the wrong. From what I could see the overtaking manoeuvre looked like it was legal.
As mentioned below, shocking to see that people on bikes or on foot that could be seriously injured if clipped by a motorbike or car only get a driver awareness course, not stiff enough penalties,
Actually unbelievable how low these fines are, some of these are life threatening...
Fines not really a huge punishment, I'd honestly rather lose all my savings than lose my licence, took me 5 times to pass lol
Bans needed, not stupid little fines.
On another day these would have been fatal 'accidents'. They should not get points and fines to brag about. They should be disqualified.
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Most ridiculous comment on this post.
@@Sheen334 I've given your comment a thumbs btw. Every been hit by a car John? - thrice me I think. Been quite lucky really no real lasting damage. Ever lost racing mates to cars?- I can immediately think of three (|Chris (2008), Ian (1995), & Jim (2003) including my training & two up team time trial partner who was killed after being hit from behind by a people carrier doing 80 mph. My mate Pete had to go round and tell his widow the news. I think the driver got six points and a £300 fine.
@@tnimbus Racing mates? Perhaps them racing was more the issue there.
@@Sheen334 are you in the video 🙄
The penalties seem very light considering how dangerous those manoeuvres were.
Why were so many of the incidents against vulnerable road users dealt with via a training course only, whereas the incidents against people in 2 ton metal boxes get a more serious point and fine?
Terrible message to send out.
Minor trafic violation for training course, severe traffic violations cost points. Don't confuse a trafic violation with an actual accident.
Keep safe, and be a good human, camera's are watching you and judging every move you make. Great message to send out.
Why do the majority of those that put vulnerable road users at most risk only result in driver training courses?
Don't you think it's actually great idea to take care of such drivers in that manner so they would not do it in future ?
Isn't driver training more appropriate than a fine?
Vulnerable people aren’t really that important
They're offered the choice - either a fine & points, or - pay for a driver training course & no points !
@@andrewmonument8847 that's fair play.
Good idea in my opinion.
I think I have seen some of these before but they are truly shocking. What I want to know is why these aren’t prosecuted as Dangerous Driving - they are all clearly premeditated breaking of Highway Code in terms of must nots so clearly fall way below standard expected of drivers??? Devon and Cornwal Police please respond.
Dangerous driving is a harder charge to bring to a successful conviction should the defendant choose to contest it. I don't know about you but six points on my licence for 'due care' would mortify me, especially come insurance renewal time - and that's when it starts to bite. I'd rather they cop a 'due care' than get away with a failed dangerous driving.
Many of these incidents the courts and Police term ' careless & inconsiderate' I would call 'reckless and life endangering' - and the punishment should be cancellation of licence, so they have to take their test again, a driving ban and much larger fines - because the people who drive so dangerously do it all the time
In most of those clips the punishment doesn't fit the crime, worst offenders get off lightly
The vast majority of these clips show driving that is not "careless", but outright "dangerous". The fact noone was hurt does not diminish the danger these drivers are to both themselves, and others.
Some of the clips show near misses that are inches away from life changing, yet the perpetrators have no thought of reducing speed, or backing out of the position they are determined to put others in.
A fine and points just doesn't cut it when these people can continue driving.
Great idea prosecuting based on dash cams but the penalties these people faced were shockingly low.
Yes, I was dumbstruck by the low penalties. Some of them are less than you would receive in Queensland for speeding less than 10k over the limit ($284).
Joking arnt you... We are literally doing there job.. Revenue generation for councils... Are you daft this is entrapment at its lowest form
The fines are pathetic, all should be four figures minimum. And as for the ones with the cyclists, sending people on a course to learn what they should already know as their sole ‘punishment’ is beyond words.
@@d2m542 i agree the fines or the lack of fines and points where cyclists or horses are involved seem wrong to me. i think they should have been included along with the driver training. car hits car call insurance, car hits cyclist call ambulance.
@@fugdefano I honestly think that there would be less incidents involving cyclists; if motorists were made to take the Bikeability courses as part of their driving licences. Perhaps a spell horse riding should be included too...!!!
Actually, driving course is a brilliant idea.
Don't know how good they are but it's about preventing such cases in the future.
@@ducedevlstear2471 What's the point in teaching drivers what they already know but choose to ignore?
@@silasfatchett7380 surely those courses are aimed at further education beyond the basics.
Clearly simple financial punishment isn't working.
At 0:56, Both should have been prosecuted. The saab driver pushing the other vehicle out is hardly good driving.
Nice to see that magistrates down there are handing out more than just the normal minimums.
I did wonder which of those two was done for what happened. Like you say, both terrible drivers.
I disagree
The saab has the right to use all his lane ,from the inner white line,or curb to the middle white line, he has no legal obligation to " breath in" to help an illegal overtaking manoeuvre,
Obviously most of us would move to the inside of the lane as a form of life preservation, but they are not obliged to by law.
@@brianiswrong Rule 168. Not a specific law but failure to follow the HWC can result in prosecution. Always worth bearing in mind when you have "no legal obligation".
We've got a big problem with them where I am at. Nothing has been done and so it continues. Revoke their license permanently with no appeals, scrap their vehicle and send them the bill for the entire process.
I remember driving in France being particularly dangerous in the 70s and 80s, but I noticed years later that it seemed a lot better and said so to a French friend. He told me that "we were tamed", a result of a big national clampdown on bad driving by the French police in the 90s, with more traffic cops, new laws and harsher sanctions. These cams being used as police evidence may have the same effect here in the UK. Generally drivers in the UK are polite, well behaved and competent, but there are always a few idiots everywhere.
I live in France and installed a dashcam in my car a few months ago. Apart from a couple of very minor incidents which were not really dangerous, the standard of driving is remarkably high. Perhaps it's the area I live in (Grand Est).
Defo hope so as it's mental at the moment
@@williamgeorgefraser SW France here, been using a dashcam for a few years now. There still is the 2 pm trouble, drivers that had a liquid lunch. Or the senile old codgers driving at 70 kph everywhere. Don't start me on voiture sans permis.
I live in Paris and honestly it’s now a nightmare to drive here. Worsened since the covid. People have never been so impatient and aggresive. Lot of news relating this situation. Recently a father stabbed in front of his daughter for a red light. I never thought it would be the same in UK.
I find drivers where I live very polite, too. Sometimes people accelerate if you overtake them, but that's about the only flaw I see. Incredibly dangerous one though.
Not nearly severe enough penalties. I am sick of being bullied 😢
As a cyclist, you see the events filmed in the second half of this film in some form on almost every ride.
Indeed. Had at least two in twenty miles this morning.
@@tnimbus every hour of every ride, its disappointing that for most of the cycling clips only a driver training course was considered. In one clip the cyclist was hit by the driver
@@matthewdray83 Do you know I was going to mention that - the disparity in sentencing for 'car' and 'bike' incidents is appalling.
I’m in no way on the side of the motorists who close passes the cyclist, I’m actually a cycling trainer. Those where the cars were very close could have been, at least, discouraged if not prevented by a more defensive line by the cyclists, adopting the primary position may rile impatient drivers but it takes away their opportunity to close pass, it can be argued that riding in the secondary position/over to the left can be seen as encouragement to pass, almost submissive, but primary position shouldn’t be the default, it should be used when appropriate. I realise it takes nerve to adopt a more defensive riding style like that but you need confidence to ride anyway.
@@craigkearns6425 Totally agree. Been riding (including a spell racing) over 40 years now - in that time seen a number of deaths due to drivers and spent a lot of time in hospitals vising mates with broken legs. Defensive riding is paramount. Otherwise you will literally be driven off the road. Saying that of late I've seen a lot of stupid riders that wouldn't be allowed to wear club colours back in the day...
The public doing the plods work while they protect stop oil protesters and do DikTok dances in rainbow uniforms.......FFS.
A few years a go, i had a man hit me from behind, then drive down the side of my car, managed to catch up to him at some traffic lights, blocked him in and called the police. He then tried to run me over hitting me in the legs. The police turned up and just let him go, just told me to deal with my insurance company - This was in London, Camden.
Worst part was that many years later whilst renewing my car insurance, where i had put no claims for 9 years, was told it was noted i had been in a car accident, went to the old insurance company and they told me the other driver at the time had put in a claim, and they had paid out £400 pounds, they never contacted me about it and had no other information on why i was not informed and what the claim was actually for.
Random question: you didn't, perchance, use the username 'bulletcatcher' when playing Counter Strike Source, did you?
Insurance companies are a law onto themselves. Beware of any interraction with them, it's an opportunity for them to make money from you for years to come. Sometimes, it's better to pay for damage caused by others (or yourself) as otherwise even in no-fault cases they will increase your premiums and others in your postcode. They really milk the private motorist, compared with corporate customers, I see companies paying £750 per anum for insurance on expensive (£40k-£60k), moderately powerfulf -high end cars (BMW, Audi), with no regards for where the driver lives, etc. Yet private motorists will pay a fortune to insure the same car, essentially subsidising the very competitive corporate sector.
@@Robonord427 Arma 3 DayZ
@@bullet-catcherhohoho250 Back in the day I briefly played CS on a team with a guy going by that moniker. Seems like a lifetime ago now.
The inconsistency in the amount of a fine and also number of penalty points is unbelievable!
A lot of these situations could have been de-escalated if the drivers with the right of way just gave way to those in the wrong and not put other innocent road users at risk because of righteous entitlement. That Saab that kept the dangerously overtaking car in the oncoming lane was bang out of order.
I partially agree, the sheer entitlement of the overtaking car didn't even give in trying to overtake, you can't read other people's minds, and really the Saab driver should continue as he is really the safest thing, he didn't speed up, change course or anything, the blue car was totally reckless and nearly caused a collision. What if the Saab and blue car both slowed down as the blue car tried to pull in. If I was overtaking then I would want the car I'm overtaking to continue at the same speed and direction so I could account for it, if they start changing what they are doing it's an added challenge, if however the blue car had passed the Saab then sure the Saab should have just let him in, but he hadn't even drawn level.
@@squicker agree but I wouldn’t slow down if I was the Saab unless the blue car had significantly passed me so that it made sense to, other wise both me and the overtaking car could both be slowing down and that again would keep the overtaking driver out in the middle of the road. Conceding and giving way is one thing I think everyone should do it’s not worth it. Really the blue car driver should have slowed and rejoined the right lane as he hadn’t anywhere near completed the overtaking manoeuvre.
@@squicker true but he hadn’t even drawn level before he started to pull into the side of him. And really would you expect to see a car overtaking you there, the Saab driver should be keeping his eyes on the road ahead, he’s not looking to overtake, there’s cars coming in the opposite direction so wouldn’t expect to get overtaken, he’s following another car so I would estimate he hadn’t even seen the overtaking car until the last minute if at all. He didn’t even pull away when the blue car nearly drove into the side of him.
@@squicker I’ve left the powerful cars selling my X5, A8 and S4 and just getting a hyper fuel efficient SUV that does 80mpg on the motorway. Yes it takes me a little longer to get anywhere as I now keep to less than national limits, but I stay out of the fast lane if I can help it, I don’t get stressed, I don’t worry about speed cameras and I have plenty of time to figure out what idiots are doing an space to avoid them.
@@squicker I live in the UK so no unlimited roads here, partially the reason for turning to more frugal transport especially as I do around 30k miles a year. Are unlimited stretches of autobahn decreasing?
Thanks Devon and Cornwall OPCC for highlighting the disparity between penalties handed out for putting other car users in danger and vulnerable road users in danger. Very informative.
No one in their right minds should be riding a pushbike on the road.
@@raftonpounder6696perfect example of the problem 🙄
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Most of the fined motorists who put other car occupants at risk were much closer to having an actual collision than the driver-training-course-only close passes though, so seems explicable to me.
@@mrgreatauk Okay, I had another look and in terms of distance between vehicles I don't see much difference between the car and bicycle examples.
The inconsistency in punishments is what annoys people the most. One driver nearly has a head on, gets 5 points. The golf driver over takes when he shouldn’t and gets 7. Make it make sense.
Great work lads ! This sort of bad behaviour is rampant here in Southern Ireland and nothing is ever done about it !
I was on my bike and stopped at a light controlled crossing as the lights were red and a lady with a pram was crossing - A tosspot passed me out and nearly cut the poor girl in half - all the stuff from the pram spilled on the road - I had the whole incident on camera - reg no, lights red, girl screaming the lot - Garda couldn't be bothered as it was a local councillors wife and she was in a hurry FFS
The Gardai really need to up their game
Perhaps they could train Irish drivers to keep to the left on motorways whilst they’re at it. As a nation, our driving is shocking. Slow, selfish, careless and at the same time, somewhat aggressive.
@@colin5577 N7, between Dublin & Naas: spiritual home of C.L.O.G. - the Centre Lane Owners Group. In recent decades, hundreds of millions were spent adding a third lane, and now all the CLOGgers sit in the centre lane in light and medium-density traffic, literally wasting those millions every day...
Great to see some action being taken, but more needed.
Only once the odds switch to "high percent chance you will be caught" from "high percent chance you will get away with it" will attitudes change and fewer offences be committed.
Start using all roadside cameras, cctv, submitted dashcam footage, etc, prosecute.
Get a streamlined system in place to prosecute with minimum fuss, fine and points.
Once you have reduced the number of offences right down, then you can go after the worst and most persistent offenders.
01:25: This is called "dangerous intervention in road traffic" in Germany. A fine or imprisonment of up to five years can be threatened. However, the maximum sentence can also be ten years if the perpetrator wanted to enable or cover up another criminal offense through his actions or the offense led to serious damage to the health of another person or a large number of people. In addition to imprisonment or a fine, the perpetrator must expect further sanctions. If the judge and the driving license authority assume that the driver is unfit to drive, the driver's license may be withdrawn and three points in Flensburg. If the offender is allowed to keep his driver's license, two points are provided in Flensburg. In this case, a driving ban can also be ordered. However, the punishment seen here is a frightening joke, since it lacks the deterrent character.
You need to lighten up! It wasn’t that bad.
@@raftonpounder6696 Oh, and you can decide that? Unlike you, I took a close look at the situation. Stopping on a motorway or expressway to discipline the following driver is a dangerous intervention in road traffic in Germany. Braking in order to force another road user to behave in a certain way meets the criminal offense. Blocking the way of another person using one's own means of transport can also constitute an offense. The braking could also have produced a rear-end collision. But you have deliberately overlooked that. I don't know where you get your wisdom from, but it's not particularly fact-based. Invest in some education. It would make sense, because you don't have a clue about the rules in Germany. Or are you one of those drivers who do exactly what we were allowed to admire here?
@@Ul.B maybe we’re talking about different incidents? The time stamp you put on was at the start of a clip of a motorcycle weaving through traffic. I presume the clip you’re talking about is the one of the idiot stopping in the middle of the road? That’s a completely different story.
@@raftonpounder6696 I don't know what times you're working with, but the time 01:25 clearly refers to a deliberate braking on a motorway or expressway. The motorcycle only starts at 01:30. If you're using a device with the wrong time information, then I can't help you either.
@@Ul.B if I post about a clip I post the time the clip starts at. Not the time it ends at. Like a normal person would.
If only all police forces would be as interested in this method, sadly so many just don’t want to know.
They are - 100%
On you constabulary website - report a crime - vehicles and roads - accident or incident on the road
How many of the 43 Forces in England and Wales don’t have an Op Snap equivalent David? I’m sure you did your research before your criticism, so what are the numbers please?
I refer to police Scotland and the lack of a suitable portal, although I’m assured that as of 2022 they have received funding to provide such a service, but I have not checked if it’s active.
@@davidbarnes241 one of the issues is the amount of reports the police get, there is so much bad driving on the road a lot are not followed up. The met (I think) even stopped accepting uploads at one time as they couldn't cope with the reports.
@DS
It wouldn’t surprise me at all that this is the case. Too busy knocking on doors of those who don’t have a TV licence or following up allegations of hate crime 👌
The lesson here is ; you can almost kill people and go away with a ridicule fine and few points less ....
Brilliant initiative! Would like to the same penalties for the close calls with cyclists and horse riders tho. That poor horse was clearly startled ☹️
I love the demonstration of inconsistent fines and points .
The M5 in Devon and Somerset is the motorway with consistently the most dangerous deriving I have seen. And I was a pretty high mileage driver for the last 30 years. Two incidents recently have made me buy a dash cam.
At least some of these should be charged and convicted as dangerous driving, not careless, particularly the second one.
I find it astounding that none of these dangerous drivers were banned! Great work judges
As a Devon resident I was happy to learn that police take dashcam evidence seriously. However does the offence of "dangerous driving" no longer exist? Because that's what a lot of these incidents clearly were.
The fines for the murderous and extremely reckless driving incidents shown in this video are pathetic. An outright invitation to do it again. Jail time starting at a minimum of6 months would be more appropriate.
From the USA, so glad you have this! Despite our differences, I would hope we have in common the belief that with the breakdown of traffic laws begins anarchy.
Only difference is in the US the person who commits the offence would either be shot dead by the victim or more likely the police. Especially if they are black.
Hats off to the Devon and Cornwall Police for following up on these dashcam clips submitted by the public. These people are menaces on our roads.
Big brother is now watching policing the cheapest way possible. There's definitely not any where enough traffic police on the roads today. There was whole traffic police once. Now all shut down and and sadly gone. The ones that are about now are over worked.
People will drive like this as long as the punishments are piss-ass lenient. If the punishment was getting battered to within an inch of their life with a blunt instrument, it might eventually act as a deterrant (**DISCLAIMER** I am not literally advocating this).
I however, AM advocating this..😡
Careless or inconsiderate driving sounds a bit lenient for some of those passes going head on with other traffic, is there not a dangerous driving category?
There is, but the police are reluctant to use it on videos submitted by the public except in the most extreme cases.
The problem I see here is that there's people in these clips either the cam car or other cars in the clip that also need fines and points.
Well done to the Devon & Cornwall OPCC. More countries should follow this example by using video footage from road users. The near misses with the push bikes should have more of a penalty than a 'Driver Education Course. Sometimes, hitting their pockets is the only way they will learn.
I disagree. Losing a licence will hurt far more than a £200 fine. It should be a £5000 fine for some of this. How much is the cost of a funeral these days?
I'm so glad they being reported well done everyone 👏 👍
It's a pity your colleagues in Humberside police don't have the same dedication, I sent a video in to them a few months ago of a van driver deliberately trying to run me off the road and they said no offence had been committed and even suggested I should stop driving because the actions of the van driver almost triggered my implanted ICD to go off absolutely disgusting. At least Devon and Cornwall Police seem to be doing their jobs.
I don't ride and have never ridden a horse, but I would never ever go past that close or fast to one at 2:46 . There are two levels of considerate, appreciating someone else exists and the other is imagining being in their shoes, that driver did neither.
Replace the airbag with a rusty spike and all this would go away overnight.
With the ridiculously small fines handed out, I’d say this sort of driving IS tolerated.
Up here in Northumberland there is no way to report near misses as Northumbria Police's website reporting system has been down since mid December.
Just brilliant - truly magnificent. After all, that's why you pay your taxes - so you can't report a crime.
When I was 18 I got £600 fine and 5 points for doing 37mph in a 30mph zone, seems kinda harsh compared to these way more dangerous acts in this video. I guess they’re more harsh on teenagers or something
if it had of been your 1st time court speeding you would of been offered a speed awareness course. also fines go up if you either don't pay within 14 days or decide to contest it in court.
@@koolandkrazy8217 *caught, would have, etc
Says it all when you think 37 isn't that bad in a 30. Just stick to the limit, it's really easy to do.
@@pocky1scot1 well it's not, these dangerous overtakes are infinitely worse than just speeding, what if you’re speeding at 2am when there’s no cars about? Not really dangerous but these manoeuvres in this video are dangerous.
Great idea this should be rolled out nationwide
The leniency of the penalties, whether it was monitory, points, or driver training in almost all cases, was astonishing. So many bordered on attempted vehicular homicide. The mind is left in bewilderment.
I’ve noticed that a lot of mature male cyclists are refusing to use the very expensively built cycle route paths alongside busy main roads on the grounds that “debris build up causes frequent punctures” and prefer to hold up rivers of traffic on the main road instead. (I am also a keen cyclist by the way).
It should be a legal requirement to use a cycle lane where one is provided.
@@phillwainewright4221 absolutely!
Beieve me, if cycle paths were built and maintained properly, then cyclists would use them, most are not much more than than an uneven, narrow and overgrown strip of of poorly founded and laid tarmac, usually overgrown decaying and ill designed, and possibly more dangerous to pedestians and riders alike.
@@chrisyarnold6205 realistically, I don’t see the local authority finding more non- existent money to do more than they have already done to better-maintain cycle paths. (I wonder though, if the Cyclist Touring Club of Great Britain would perhaps be interested in encouraging members to form local volunteer groups to help keep these paths clear?) …
@@philtucker1224
It shouldn't change cyclists rights to cycle on the road anyway, it is not just about maintenance, but design and build quality as well. I have literally ridden thousands of miles in my lifetime, but cycle paths in this country are disgraceful.
the punishments shown on here with some of those offences were far too lenient
Fantastic initiative all forces across the U.K. could learn from this , bring it on
my dad was a trafic cop for many years driving around his rover sd1 3.5 but my dad taught me something important he said i do not judge people and there is no tolerence met by me i do my job nothing more
Those fines are absolutely ridiculous!! Should be in their thousands and immediate suspension of license
Suspension of license, yes, but fines are really just 'the price to commit this offence'. If you're wealthy, fines make no difference to you whatsoever.
Pretty weak penalties considering how dangerous most of the were
Dash cams should become mandatory. That should shape up the standard of driving on our roads.
its a real shame other police forces do not do the same, honestly its a postcode lottery as to how seriously bad driving is policed
As a driving instructor, the attitude some Learners have towards cyclists is shocking. This nearly always stems from watching their parents behaviour. I believe it’s going to take a generation to change attitudes, but ‘some’ inconsiderate cyclists don’t help my cause any, particularly clubs on rural roads.
I agree, I am a pedestrian, cyclist, car driver and van driver. As a cyclist I try and ride with due consideration for other road users so when on narrow roads I pull over when safe to do so to let vehicles pass. I normally get a thank you and hope that I have helped my safety and others by not letting a driver get irritated and or late as angry and late can lead to mistakes. I also hope to show that some cyclists are ok. I do not seem to get many close passes but do get a few the most amusing instance being hit from behind in a que by a by a car that then claimed I reversed into him......
This should be adopted nationwide
OK this may be an unpopular viewpoint but it is valid nonetheless. If someone is trying to overtake you, don't speed up, even if they are an idiot. Let them pass even if you have to slow up a little. That's what my dad told me 40 years ago learning to drive and it's the best thing to do. I see some drivers here that seem to deliberately speed up or not slow down to let someone pass and it just makes it more dangerous for everyone involved tbh.
The clip @0:41 is fairly typical, says fine points etc, tbh I think the guy in the saab needed some points and a fine as well.
Not only was the Saab driver speeding up but he also tried to fend him off by steering over to the centre line, forcing the oncoming traffic to the brink, withholding a car's width of room on his other side. I agree: he too should have been penalised.
How do they catch the cyclists that go through red lights and do other silly things
On camera, just like the drivers I suspect
Fortunately, cyclist red light jumpers area lot less likely to cause a fatality or serious injury, should they impact with anything/anyone. More likely to hurt themselves.
Why highlight cyclists? Are they the only red light jumpers in your town?
Though not.
Such modest and generous penalties! Are you serious????
They should lose their licence for life
Some of those were dangerous and/or reckless driving surely!
There's being a bit naughty, then there's this.
The driver of the black Saab in the second video should have prosecuted. He deliberately pulled towards the middle of the road to give the 4x4 no room. He actively forced the Saab into oncoming traffic. Shocking and extremely dangerous driving
Having spent several years as a professional motorcycle rider trainer and advanced rider trainer I have to say this:
00:43 .... The Dacia driver 100% wrong. Obviously.
However what is wrong with the Saab driver's mind? If that all goes wrong for Mr Dacia, the Saab driver is in just as much if not more trouble. IMO the Saab driver was just as dangerous as the Dacia driver and should have been prosecuted as well.
My advice to anyone, motorcycle, car, HGV driver or any other road user ... When you see trouble forming around you - Get away from it.
99% of the time that means check your mirrors and slow down, get away from the trouble, do not be that Saab driver.
Inappropriate use of speed kills ... But so does bl**dy minded arrogance.
Man UK fines are a joke, in Switzerland half of these would have seen fines closer to 600£ and the other half a license revoktion of 6 months
Uk fines are inconsistent. Many porsche and mercedes drivers become unemployed and pay bare minimum.
@0:42 did the sarb driver get any pelnty points because he partially cursed the issue
He didn’t partially cause the issue he SOLEY caused the issue overtaking is not illegal stopping someone from over taking like this is the Saab is a dirt bag
@@dndkillaztreble5317 I would agree if the Dacia had backed out at some point but that was wrong to stay there for that long
@@gingernutpreacher I agree but their is a pressure when your committed to finish the Sabb will have karma he could of killed the guy their was clearly a gap the Dacia wanted to pass in and their was clearly more to the footage of the sabb driver wasn’t the one with the points then this system is so corrupt
@@dndkillaztreble5317 yeah the Saab tried to push the Dacia in to the oncoming traffic it's one thing to speed up another to protentialy course a head on
@@gingernutpreacher almost attempted murder I would be severely surprised if the points given wasn’t for him
For all that get caught many more get away with bad driving. This campaign helps but it's not enough.
With many years driving experience in the UK and elsewhere I can say that it is not that bad here. Yet, you can see that everywhere you find some examples of misbehaving.
The clip on A30 Carland Cross, what are the legal rights when someone is approaching you like this in an aggressive manner?
If the left lane had been constantly flowing with no way to get in would you be legally entitled to go through the man on the right, potentially injuring/killing him?
You have no idea what his intentions are or what he could be carrying when he aggressively comes towards you
Given that you don't know his intentions, running through him would be excessive force and thus not a defence in court. If no one behind, start backing up. Otherwise keep the doors locked and wait until you do know his intentions. If they start to hit the car or try to get in then you would now have better idea of his intentions and in fact if hes to the side of the car at the door you could pull away and around to the right with out going straight through him, maybe just a side swipe or run over his toes for a bit of karma. This would be much more defensible in court.
These were not careless driving, that is when you are not paying attention! These drivers were perfectly aware of what they were doing and this is dangerous driving which is far more serious…..and lose the bloody awful music!
"Careless & inconsiderate driving" No. A lot of these are DANGEROUS DRIVING! Why are those risking the lives of vulnerable road users (cyclists and horseriders) getting just a proverbial slap on the wrist? Oh, and the guy that undertook, forced his way in front, then stopped and got out of his car, that was not careless, that was deliberate threatening behaviour!
Why no "Dangerous driving: £5000 fine. 2 year ban"?
0:04 If overtaking across a double continuous white line, which is a conscious decision, a choice, and thereby risking serious injury or death to oncoming traffic, is described as "careless" or "inconsiderate", tell me please what constitutes the charge of Dangerous Driving? Basically, if you want to kill someone in the UK just use your car, you can get away with a small fine. The message the courts are sending out is "Driving like this will not be tolerated...and we'll be a bit cross".
Whatever happened to the offence of "dangerous driving"? Seems to me much of this should qualify. "Inconsiderate" is far too mild a term.
Disappointing penalty points. Driving without any consideration for other road users. Potentially could cause serious injury......3 points 🤔. Same as doing 34 mph in a 30 mph zone.
It beggars belief that some of those offences are not Dangerous Driving convictions. This is either police decision makers taking the easy option and not charging dangerous where they should (or applying crap rationale) or the CPS prosecutor accepting a guilty plea for Careless when they absolutely should not. Disgraceful.
Why are all of the acts against cyclists & horse riders only punished with a course when those are the acts where a) the victim was in real danger and b) obviously the driver knew what they were doing and didn’t care about the safety of another human being? Another police force that obviously prioritises the value of motor vehicles over safety, just like Hertfordshire Constabulary
Crime-attempted murder. Penalty-pathetic. Or,they're blind,or they just don't give a flip,but they pay tax AND buy petrol,so they're much more important.
Personally, I try not to judge. *My friend's daughter was dying, and he went through every red light and broke many rules, trying to get to her. Unfrtunatley, she died a few minutes before he got to her home!*
*I'll spare the details of her death, but it wasn't pleasant!!!*
So what is considered as dangerous driving nowadays? All of these incidents looked dangerous to me but it seems the police only think driving like a maniac (or stopping and getting out of your car on the A30) is simply careless and inconsiderate......
Some of these weren’t “inconsiderate” some were deliberately dangerous. The guy brake checking to a standstill on the overtaking lane of a dual carriageway should be done for endangering lives and banned from driving. I can’t think of anything more dangerous than forcing someone to stop in the “fast lane” on a clear dual carriageway.
It should be an ban simple that hurt more than fines and points
And this shows you the warped priorities of our 'Police Service': lawlessness is endemic, crimes do not get investigated, let alone solved, but there is plenty of money for Stasi style surveillance and fines. Risible.
This scheme should be Nation wide. It would fund itself and make people think before they act..... Maybe....
Well.. you better be really sure to NEVER anger a graphic artist :) Just wait until we can deep fake someones car...
It's great that you are prosecuting, but why is obviously dangerous driving e.g. overtaking against oncoming traffic, only ever prosecuted as careless driving?