fab video, ... thanks Joe Greer & Adorama, ... & Leica for making M-monochrom. I have the M10-P *WHITE* limited edition, but it'd be fantastic to have another Leica model like this one, or Q or SL2.
Great video. Amazing camera. I shoot Olympus cameras in monochrome mode. It's a wonderful experience. It would be fantastic to have the monochrome photography experience with high-resolution files.
How would the L Mono’s images stack up against Fujifilm’s Acros profiles? I bet it’s not too far off if not the same. Sincerely asking here since I’ve never handled a Leica.
How much better do you think the images will be verus an M10 conversion to B&W. Does that incremental benift equate to $8k? I can afford to buy this, but is it really something I need if I already have an M10-p?
I love black and white but not every photo needs to be b&w in my opinion ....there are so many beautiful color moments to be captured in the world...and given how expensive this camera is I don't think it's worth the trade off.
While I at times love to set my camera to monochrome and shooting away. Short of me winning the lottery there's no way I could justify buying this camera.
For some it's just a tool... but always remember, that the quality will remain long after the price is forgotten. I'm not thinking about, what I paid for my M240 some five years ago, but I enjoy shooting with it every day.
Look, everyone has their own opinion and style, if you prefer shooting B&W (with a Leica or any other camera) then fine, enjoy yourself. But for me, it seems many people have it wrong: HCB (and other) images aren't classic because they were shot in B&W, they are classic for what and how they were captured and just happened to be in B&W. Do you think Henri would have chosen to shoot that way if color was readily available? I have an M10 and purposely AVOID shooting in B&W because I don't want people to think I'm trying to make pedestrian images special by taking them that way. In other words, I think too many people try to take the easy way out: Instead of thinking carefully and working hard to compose a shot they just make it B&W. Regardless, I always appreciate the work people put into making videos, thank you.
You are entitled to your opinion. I like monochrome not because I think I am making classic images but because I enjoy doing so. It also reminds me of when I started my hobby 48 years ago. I do have an old film camera but I prefer digital and digital processing. I also enjoy my colour work. People make monochrome for many different reasons and it's probable their reasons are just subjective as yours. As we say in the UK, horses for courses.
Norman Kleinberg Yea. B/W is way overhyped. Gotta love it when I meet some random stranger that wants to talk about how they took a photography class in high school and shot black and white film once. Guess I’m supposed to be impressed? If you’re bad a shooting color, monochrome isn’t gonna help you.
I'm amused he can't pronounce his professed idol's name. But to your point, HCB was NOT a fan of color and it was readily available (he died in 2004, less than three weeks shy of his 92nd birthday). HCB believed color could not, and never would be able to, capture the full range of color in the world.
@@JB_Hobbies Not sure you can really compare black and white to color. Black and white is difficult, and also very different. You don't count on color to help, and getting the composition right and detail in the grays is crucial. You have to really be careful to avoid looking like just an old random snapshot. If you love to shoot color, that's great - it is a beautiful art form all its own. People are not pretentious just because they prefer black and white. Why can't there be room for us all?
If you shoot B/W film you would understand the creative possibilities you can achieve. The degree that you can reinterpret a scene tonally is far beyond the capacity of color photography. This notion that B/W imagery only has a 'snob' appeal or can be used as a 'crutch' to mask inferior imagery is in itself a form of snobbery. If you knew something about the technique of B/W photography and didn't learn the medium by simply pushing a button, perhaps you'd have a more enlightened opinion.
What is the difference in image quality when you compare this dedicated monochrome sensor vs normal sensor with jpeg simulation/converting to b&w in post? I'm not really understanding the purpose of it. I'd appreciate if someone can kindly explain☺
BTW I'm a hardcore Leica user M10 SL's etc So when I was invited to test the M10 mono paired with the new 90mm 1.5 lux I had over $20k in my hand. I brought the files back home and lets just say I wasn't blown away. Hmmm $13k for a 90 lux and I have a 75mm !.25 Noct that's lens! But the files from the M10 mono no big deal in my thoughts not worth the $8300 bucks. I'll stick to my M10, but having said that my new SL2 is crazy GOOD! it's amazing. So that's where my $$$ went to. Please don't flame me I'm a commercial and photojournalist shot for WSJ, NYT, Washington Post etc So I know a few things about cameras. Having a Leica M6 and using Tri-x is fantastic but a M10 mono shooting low light at 12500 ISO hmm doesn't make sense. How do you get a Tri-x look at ISO12,500?
I have the original monochrom CCD. I tried to like the m10 mono but I didn't. Felt too sterile and perfect. Not enough soul. SL2 is freaking magic. They did something insane with the color science and BW out of that camera. I'd love an SL2 mono.
2 reasons: "bUt My CaMeRa HaS BeTtEr SpEcS. wHy Is LeIcA sO eXpEnSiVe?" "bUt My CaMeRa TaKeS tHe SaMe bLaCk AnD wHiTe PhOtOs. ThIs Is BuLlShIt. AnD wHy Is LeIcA sO eXpEnSiVe?"
What they really dislike is that they can't afford one. I can't either and will just have to make do with my Sony A7III and Sony 35mm f1.8. No pity please. I'm very happy with it.
@@hedydd2 I can't afford one either. But that doesn't keep me from liking it. It would be like the old fable of the fox and the grapes if I disliked it just because I couldn't afford it.
The M series cameras and lenses are manual focus and always have been. In adhering to the dimensions of the original M camera body - which is a must for the engineers and designers at Leica and a commitment that M camera users are grateful for - there just is not room in the M camera for the additional hardware that autofocus requires; same with dust reduction for the sensor. Manual focus is simply different, that's all. It is not really difficult to become accustomed to using manual focus; zone focusing (Google it) helps. A manual focus camera can be a challenge when photographing dogs at play or sometimes children at play, or some sports events. Beyond that, manual focus is very usable for day to day photography, street photography and reportage or documentary photography. For those who seriously want or need autofocus, the Leica Q2 may be the camera you want to consider, although it has a color sensor rather than the dedicated black and white sensor that the M10 Monochrome has. The Q2 has weather sealing, a 28mm f/1.7 autofocus Summilux lens and a 47mp sensor. The Q2 is light weight and very carryable for use as an all-around, do it all camera. It is also a great travel camera for those who are adherents of the one camera one lens ethos.
My four FujiFilm camera and three film cameras along with six Fuji lens and one Canon 400mm f4 still don't equal the price of this thing. Who says people don't have disposable income.
A lot of respect for the constant refinement of this camera. However I opted to stick to Leica glass but use fuji for bodies. The film sims on the fuji, plus the optical purity of a summilux, create ooc results to an iPad that feels truer to modern street photography.... a color chrome jpg or Acros B&W ... I had a street performer who wanted a picture on the spot on his phone... he got a stylized print on the spot.
LOL. You think an M10 with 90mm is "heavy"? Try shooting with a Canon 1DXMII, with a 400mm f/2.8 running around a football field for 4 hours. With 2-3 more bodies/lenses hanging off your body. And I am a senior citizen. :-) I envy you. I would love to shoot LEICA... though I was born with a "legally blind vision" of 20/1200. SUrgery made it worse. So I get by with SLR auto-focus, and oving the new "RF" glass.
A little bit of time maybe a couple of minutes with Lightroom or Photoshop will give you all the black and white, extra textured and contrasty images you could possibly want or need.
If you want to see what HCB saw, get the M3 and the 50. This new Leica with the big bulky lens is not what Henri would have used. Film has that soul, that unpredictability. Modern camera's think for the photographer while back then the photographer had to work for it and was often surprised because film has sometimes a way of capturing an image no digital camera can live up to. Perfection is boring. Sharpness is overrated.
With film, once you got past SS, APT, ISO &, composition? The films look did all the rest. In a way, digital is all AI. Hot pixels, artifacts. So many settings, Some help & some get in the way. Just my thoughts at the moment!
What's the interest to buy a $8200 camera who deprives you of color images when nobody will see the difference with pictures done with a conventional camera (except some purists who crop 200% in the image) ? Moreover, it's impossible to sell a reasonable price on the second-hand market once the passing fad gone (see the typ 246).
you're not being "deprived" if you only intend to shoot B&W. Plenty of people own more than one camera. Is that a difficult concept? "when nobody will see the difference" www.dpreview.com/articles/2062427975/why-leica-s-m10-monochrom-is-more-than-just-a-gimmick
The TYP 246 continues to this day to retain high value and it came out in 2015. Why buy a sports car if you can't seat 5 people? Not every car is just a car and not every camera is just a camera. I assume most people who own a sports car also have another 'family oriented' car. Most every photographer I know has more than one camera. I have a couple of film cameras myself and and haven't put color film in either of them in nearly twenty years. Because their is not Bayer filter array on top of the sensor, the light that would normally be filtered is reaching directly the sensor itself and also at the same speed. Green cuts less light than red and blue for instance. This is good for a full stop of more light reaching the sensor and the files this sensor is able to produce isn't currently being topped in dynamic range or shadow detail in anything smaller than medium format. As long as one correctly meters for the highlights, the results from the M10 Monochrom are stunning.
Pick your a7iii o R iii, mount a 1.8 cheap, high quality glass, set the camera jpg b/w + raw, and enjoy the world is beautiful with +6000$/€ more in your pocket
fab video, ... thanks Joe Greer & Adorama, ... & Leica for making M-monochrom. I have the M10-P *WHITE* limited edition, but it'd be fantastic to have another Leica model like this one, or Q or SL2.
Joe Greer from Oregon to Adorama in just a couple short years congratulations man I’m so jealous
Very glad you had Joe Greer on to talk about this camera!
Great video and extremely helpful!! Great collaboration with the man Joe Greer!!
Absolutely beautiful. That camera + the 28 Lux ASPH make for some wonderful portraits. The 90 1.5 as well
y’all rock 🥶🙏🏼
Finally, a true dedicated Black and White digital camera...
Great video. Amazing camera. I shoot Olympus cameras in monochrome mode. It's a wonderful experience. It would be fantastic to have the monochrome photography experience with high-resolution files.
How would the L Mono’s images stack up against Fujifilm’s Acros profiles? I bet it’s not too far off if not the same. Sincerely asking here since I’ve never handled a Leica.
Nice body!!... I just got the Q2. Give me time to catch up!
I wanna get it but i cant afford it lol. I hope there is a payment plan for it
but where to print true digital BW without any color cast, its hard these days
How much better do you think the images will be verus an M10 conversion to B&W. Does that incremental benift equate to $8k? I can afford to buy this, but is it really something I need if I already have an M10-p?
The best of the camera ist the beautiful price!!!!!! 8000€ and no lense!!!!! Than you really know, you are going to make great pictures!!!! no doubt!
I want that camera. FIrst, need to get some cash. Great video.
Lots of cash.
I love black and white but not every photo needs to be b&w in my opinion ....there are so many beautiful color moments to be captured in the world...and given how expensive this camera is I don't think it's worth the trade off.
While I at times love to set my camera to monochrome and shooting away. Short of me winning the lottery there's no way I could justify buying this camera.
Same here. This camera is priced outside of my universe.
For some it's just a tool... but always remember, that the quality will remain long after the price is forgotten. I'm not thinking about, what I paid for my M240 some five years ago, but I enjoy shooting with it every day.
@@paulsehstedt6275 even the quality doesn't justify the price
The portraits with that 90mm looks great.
Maybe I'll own one in 10 years.
Look, everyone has their own opinion and style, if you prefer shooting B&W (with a Leica or any other camera) then fine, enjoy yourself. But for me, it seems many people have it wrong: HCB (and other) images aren't classic because they were shot in B&W, they are classic for what and how they were captured and just happened to be in B&W. Do you think Henri would have chosen to shoot that way if color was readily available? I have an M10 and purposely AVOID shooting in B&W because I don't want people to think I'm trying to make pedestrian images special by taking them that way. In other words, I think too many people try to take the easy way out: Instead of thinking carefully and working hard to compose a shot they just make it B&W. Regardless, I always appreciate the work people put into making videos, thank you.
You are entitled to your opinion. I like monochrome not because I think I am making classic images but because I enjoy doing so. It also reminds me of when I started my hobby 48 years ago. I do have an old film camera but I prefer digital and digital processing. I also enjoy my colour work. People make monochrome for many different reasons and it's probable their reasons are just subjective as yours. As we say in the UK, horses for courses.
Norman Kleinberg Yea. B/W is way overhyped. Gotta love it when I meet some random stranger that wants to talk about how they took a photography class in high school and shot black and white film once. Guess I’m supposed to be impressed? If you’re bad a shooting color, monochrome isn’t gonna help you.
I'm amused he can't pronounce his professed idol's name. But to your point, HCB was NOT a fan of color and it was readily available (he died in 2004, less than three weeks shy of his 92nd birthday). HCB believed color could not, and never would be able to, capture the full range of color in the world.
@@JB_Hobbies Not sure you can really compare black and white to color. Black and white is difficult, and also very different. You don't count on color to help, and getting the composition right and detail in the grays is crucial. You have to really be careful to avoid looking like just an old random snapshot. If you love to shoot color, that's great - it is a beautiful art form all its own. People are not pretentious just because they prefer black and white. Why can't there be room for us all?
If you shoot B/W film you would understand the creative possibilities you can achieve. The degree that you can reinterpret a scene tonally is far beyond the capacity of color photography. This notion that B/W imagery only has a 'snob' appeal or can be used as a 'crutch' to mask inferior imagery is in itself a form of snobbery. If you knew something about the technique of B/W photography and didn't learn the medium by simply pushing a button, perhaps you'd have a more enlightened opinion.
This man is a triumph of influence over talent. Fair play, he knew how to work the influencer system, but he is bang average talent-wise.
The man, the myth, the legend.
What is the difference in image quality when you compare this dedicated monochrome sensor vs normal sensor with jpeg simulation/converting to b&w in post? I'm not really understanding the purpose of it. I'd appreciate if someone can kindly explain☺
www.dpreview.com/articles/2062427975/why-leica-s-m10-monochrom-is-more-than-just-a-gimmick
BTW I'm a hardcore Leica user M10 SL's etc So when I was invited to test the M10 mono paired with the new 90mm 1.5 lux I had over $20k in my hand. I brought the files back home and lets just say I wasn't blown away. Hmmm $13k for a 90 lux and I have a 75mm !.25 Noct that's lens! But the files from the M10 mono no big deal in my thoughts not worth the $8300 bucks. I'll stick to my M10, but having said that my new SL2 is crazy GOOD! it's amazing. So that's where my $$$ went to. Please don't flame me I'm a commercial and photojournalist shot for WSJ, NYT, Washington Post etc So I know a few things about cameras. Having a Leica M6 and using Tri-x is fantastic but a M10 mono shooting low light at 12500 ISO hmm doesn't make sense. How do you get a Tri-x look at ISO12,500?
I have the original monochrom CCD. I tried to like the m10 mono but I didn't. Felt too sterile and perfect. Not enough soul. SL2 is freaking magic. They did something insane with the color science and BW out of that camera. I'd love an SL2 mono.
Why do I like this ? 🤷🏽♂️
Very nice, 👍👍
Inspiring video!
its advantages sound funny!
This is what I've dreamed of in a camera. Why so many dislikes?
2 reasons:
"bUt My CaMeRa HaS BeTtEr SpEcS. wHy Is LeIcA sO eXpEnSiVe?"
"bUt My CaMeRa TaKeS tHe SaMe bLaCk AnD wHiTe PhOtOs. ThIs Is BuLlShIt. AnD wHy Is LeIcA sO eXpEnSiVe?"
What they really dislike is that they can't afford one. I can't either and will just have to make do with my Sony A7III and Sony 35mm f1.8. No pity please. I'm very happy with it.
@@hedydd2 I can't afford one either. But that doesn't keep me from liking it. It would be like the old fable of the fox and the grapes if I disliked it just because I couldn't afford it.
Cool to see...but...unless you are making money with it then there are better and less expensive options out there.
Is there any reason they don’t offer auto focus?
The M series cameras and lenses are manual focus and always have been.
In adhering to the dimensions of the original M camera body - which is a must for the engineers and designers at Leica and a commitment that M camera users are grateful for - there just is not room in the M camera for the additional hardware that autofocus requires; same with dust reduction for the sensor.
Manual focus is simply different, that's all. It is not really difficult to become accustomed to using manual focus; zone focusing (Google it) helps.
A manual focus camera can be a challenge when photographing dogs at play or sometimes children at play, or some sports events. Beyond that, manual focus is very usable for day to day photography, street photography and reportage or documentary photography.
For those who seriously want or need autofocus, the Leica Q2 may be the camera you want to consider, although it has a color sensor rather than the dedicated black and white sensor that the M10 Monochrome has. The Q2 has weather sealing, a 28mm f/1.7 autofocus Summilux lens and a 47mp sensor.
The Q2 is light weight and very carryable for use as an all-around, do it all camera. It is also a great travel camera for those who are adherents of the one camera one lens ethos.
Which fast 64gb sd card do you recommend with Leica M10 monochrom?
Who was the photographer he said he likes ? I want to lookup his work
Henri Cartier-Bresson
For Inspiration: @t
yeah its great and all but the price is also great aint it :D
can i achieve the same thing with color camera then desaturate to black and white?
would i see any difference on a phone display?
My four FujiFilm camera and three film cameras along with six Fuji lens and one Canon 400mm f4 still don't equal the price of this thing. Who says people don't have disposable income.
So you watched a Leica video to comment on your Fujifilm cameras? Yep, that seems to be we the way x-series users behave.
A lot of respect for the constant refinement of this camera.
However I opted to stick to Leica glass but use fuji for bodies. The film sims on the fuji, plus the optical purity of a summilux, create ooc results to an iPad that feels truer to modern street photography.... a color chrome jpg or Acros B&W ... I had a street performer who wanted a picture on the spot on his phone... he got a stylized print on the spot.
recognise the name of his idol at 1:00 ?
henri cartier-bresson - i believe
bingo
Check out Ansel Adams too
Just buy a Panasonic GX9 has same monochrome D and no low pass filter
lol
LOL. You think an M10 with 90mm is "heavy"? Try shooting with a Canon 1DXMII, with a 400mm f/2.8 running around a football field for 4 hours. With 2-3 more bodies/lenses hanging off your body. And I am a senior citizen. :-)
I envy you. I would love to shoot LEICA... though I was born with a "legally blind vision" of 20/1200. SUrgery made it worse. So I get by with SLR auto-focus, and oving the new "RF" glass.
Фотки по качеству так себе. Купи Гелиос 44
good lens, i have 44-2 model, came with my Zenit ET, also good camera. Built like a tank
To me there's no contrast, they all look very flat
That's a matter of taste. I'm sure it can be adjusted every which way to suit you.
James Deak a vintage lens on any camera will give you a low contrast look. For $50
A little bit of time maybe a couple of minutes with Lightroom or Photoshop will give you all the black and white, extra textured and contrasty images you could possibly want or need.
It has a very beautiful contrast and clean balanced look ❗️
Camera jewlery.... what about the artistic imaging.? Very trite work here
My Car cheaper then Leica M10 :)
great camera.....terrible photos....
If you want to see what HCB saw, get the M3 and the 50. This new Leica with the big bulky lens is not what Henri would have used. Film has that soul, that unpredictability. Modern camera's think for the photographer while back then the photographer had to work for it and was often surprised because film has sometimes a way of capturing an image no digital camera can live up to. Perfection is boring. Sharpness is overrated.
With film, once you got past SS, APT, ISO &, composition? The films look did all the rest. In a way, digital is all AI. Hot pixels, artifacts. So many settings, Some help & some get in the way. Just my thoughts at the moment!
I'd rather have the Konica Hexar his wife is holding instead of the M10
What's the interest to buy a $8200 camera who deprives you of color images when nobody will see the difference with pictures done with a conventional camera (except some purists who crop 200% in the image) ? Moreover, it's impossible to sell a reasonable price on the second-hand market once the passing fad gone (see the typ 246).
you're not being "deprived" if you only intend to shoot B&W. Plenty of people own more than one camera. Is that a difficult concept?
"when nobody will see the difference"
www.dpreview.com/articles/2062427975/why-leica-s-m10-monochrom-is-more-than-just-a-gimmick
It’s almost 12k Canadian plus tax. This would make street and metal concert photography interesting,but so expensive.
The TYP 246 continues to this day to retain high value and it came out in 2015. Why buy a sports car if you can't seat 5 people? Not every car is just a car and not every camera is just a camera. I assume most people who own a sports car also have another 'family oriented' car. Most every photographer I know has more than one camera. I have a couple of film cameras myself and and haven't put color film in either of them in nearly twenty years. Because their is not Bayer filter array on top of the sensor, the light that would normally be filtered is reaching directly the sensor itself and also at the same speed. Green cuts less light than red and blue for instance. This is good for a full stop of more light reaching the sensor and the files this sensor is able to produce isn't currently being topped in dynamic range or shadow detail in anything smaller than medium format. As long as one correctly meters for the highlights, the results from the M10 Monochrom are stunning.
Camera body only $8.3k. It’s too expensive to make an image with this thing. :D
Pick your a7iii o R iii, mount a 1.8 cheap, high quality glass, set the camera jpg b/w + raw, and enjoy the world is beautiful with +6000$/€ more in your pocket
Total ripoff. Fuji are just as good.
I'm sure its great an all but how is it ever worth the money? I bet Leica giggle there arses off every time they sell one.