This $4,000 MacBook is actually "cheap". I can explain.

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  • Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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    Today we'll take a little jaunt through the history of Apple and personal electronics to dive into the surprising reality of where personal computers and consumer electronics have come in the last 30 years. You might just be surprised by how dramatically the reality of buying a MacBook (or PowerBook) has changed in recent years!
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    1:29 Back to basics
    4:18 Macs in the 90s were pretty expensive...
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  • @BILLY-px3hw
    @BILLY-px3hw Год назад +27

    The original Macs were manufactured in Fremont California, so we have to consider how outsourcing and tech grew together to bring down costs. How much would a Macbook cost to build in Fremont California today? We really owe a lot to the cheap and often maltreated laborforce that allows us to afford these items.

    • @Borglasa
      @Borglasa Год назад +1

      I've got a 2009 White MacBook and 2011 MacBook Pro that both still work (and are pretty decent machines still today. I've turned the MacBook into a Chromebook and the MacBook Pro is running Linux, but a big part of why they're still running is because I have slowly upgraded everything I can. I bought my 2011 MacBook Pro with 4GB Ram and a 60GB 5200RPM HDD. Today it's got 16GB and a 512GB SSD + 1TB HDD. That's my main criticism of the newer Macs. There are little to no aftermarket upgrade opportunities, they build machines to last, but the without expandable tech, I'm not sure they will.

  • @chriscasillas
    @chriscasillas Год назад +21

    You're 100% right on this. I spent $1200 on a base model M2 Air when it was released this past summer. I'll use this laptop for at least 5 years. Comparing that to costs from 20-30 years ago is kind of mind-blowing.

    • @imho4990
      @imho4990 Год назад +1

      This was possible thanks to globalization and the transfer of production to China. Now the reverse process is taking place and you have to get used to the big changes in the prices of electronics and computers.

    • @OmnivorousOtter101
      @OmnivorousOtter101 Год назад

      @@imho4990 but now production has moved to other countries

  • @mrflashport
    @mrflashport Год назад +75

    Very true indeed. A 10 year old Mac or PC today, with some enhancements (upgraded RAM, SSD vs. spinning disk) can yield a perfectly good experience for most users. Case in point, I am watching your videos on an early 2013 MacBook Pro with a dual core i5 CPU and Intel 4000 graphics chipset. Machine has 16GB of RAM and an SSD. It is perfectly usable in 2022/2023 for just about everything I can throw at it, and I paid $150 for it off a forum for sale posting. The RAM was the only upgrade. We are getting a lot of mileage out of computers than we could in the past.

    • @techie0412
      @techie0412 Год назад +5

      I'm Watching off my Mid 2012 MacBook pro. I Have no issues using it for my daily tasks. :)

    • @lolcatpl
      @lolcatpl Год назад +1

      You literally got scammed, could've get a much better pc/laptop for the same price and hackintosh it

    • @a4e69636b
      @a4e69636b Год назад

      @@techie0412 The 2012 MacBook Pro is awesome. I have one two. The ram has been upgraded to 16 GB and the hard drive has been replaced with an 2 TB SSD. This thing boots very quickly.

    • @ryanpaige1
      @ryanpaige1 Год назад

      My current (non-Mac) desktop computer is ten years old. I had to replace the Hard Drive very early on, but otherwise, I've only added some RAM and upgraded the video card, and that's it. It still works for everything I throw at it.

    • @pinkiepingas
      @pinkiepingas Год назад +7

      @@lolcatpl You *literally* don't know what you're talking about.. show me a $150 laptop that can do better than the 2013 macbook pro and I'll buy it myself. I'll wait, take your time.

  • @chepulis
    @chepulis Год назад +116

    I'm very happy with my 16', a slightly cheaper model of what you're showing. The biggest fear is Apple cutting off MacOS too early... and software developers thoughtlessly eating up the performance gains. Also, i think this is early display tech and they will evolve a lot over the coming years.

    • @davidnotonstinnett
      @davidnotonstinnett Год назад +12

      You have at least 7 years, if not longer once Apple Silicon starts trickling into the hacker scene.

    • @bluebird1954
      @bluebird1954 Год назад +5

      I have the maxed out i9 16 inch with 8tb ssd and 5600m👏😼 best MacBook ever all the support and power I need

    • @pauldwalker
      @pauldwalker Год назад

      apple is doing that because their unibody laptops and desktop are lasting too long.

    • @AndroidGamingApps
      @AndroidGamingApps Год назад +2

      @@bluebird1954 those fans must be going insane 😭💀

    • @TomiWebPro
      @TomiWebPro Год назад +4

      @@bluebird1954 Omg, i guess ur laptop is always overcooked and taking off, nonetheless, I like intel chips cuz I can virtualise literally anything with it.

  • @TraneFrancks
    @TraneFrancks Год назад +5

    This is a very good video, but there is one thing that's missing in 2022 vs, say, 2015: Upgradeability/repairability. In 1993, I bought a 386 with 8 MB (yes, mega, not giga) RAM and a 240 MB HDD. several years later, it had received GPU upgrades, CPU upgrade kit to a 486DX2-66, memory to 32 MB (fully populated and the most supported) along with a Promise IDE caching controller with 8 MB of onboard cache. I ran a 3-node BBS on it and the PC was with me until ~2002. I got into Macs in 2007 with a 13" black MacBook and progressed through to a 2012 13" MBP. All good with repairs and upgrades. Then there's the 2016 15" MBP with no upgrades possible. Even a year ago, a max spec of this model sold for equiv. of $1700 in Tokyo. So, while things are getting far less expensive, the cost comes by way of them being replaced rather than repaired. Good while it works, but eWaste as soon as it doesn't.

  • @bubbabousky3857
    @bubbabousky3857 Год назад +4

    No, it isn't cheap. Especially when you factor in the fact that half of the US makes less than $30,000. Let's also not forget that Apple still charges an absolute ridiculous amount for RAM/storage upgrades - 2 things that have gotten faster, lighter, smaller and CHEAPER over the years. You can get a 4 TB M.2 SSD for less than $600 and Apple charges double for that.
    Let's also not forget that part of the reason laptops can last so long these days is the ability to upgrade your hardware, which Apple doesn't allow you to do. Not only do you pay a premium for a device, but you can't even upgrade parts on something you OWN.
    Also, if something breaks on your laptop, you'll pay another premium replace it. Not only is Apple anti third party repair but will bombard you with messages and both hardware and software locks if you manage to replace something yourself. Don't worry, though, Apple is there with Applecare to make sure money is always going to them, whether your device works or not.
    No, Apple is not cheap. The MacBook pro is not cheap. Certainly not cheap compared to what else is out there. And frankly, 9 people out of 10 will spec out a MacBook pro just to sit down and watch videos on it and browse social media.

  • @cezarprodan5611
    @cezarprodan5611 Год назад

    I always love your interesting takes, a fresh perspective. Thanks!

  • @michaelhill7045
    @michaelhill7045 Год назад +6

    Just bought a third replacement battery for my unibody MacBook 13" (6GB ram 750GB HD) from late 2008 because I think it's worth keeping it for (hopefully) another five years for web surfing and simple tasks. I believe it has definitely paid for itself many times over.

  • @johnmarchant160
    @johnmarchant160 Год назад +1

    Great video! Interesting how things get put into perspective with a bit of historical context. Outro is a banger too

    • @SFGiantsBweezy
      @SFGiantsBweezy Год назад

      I agree! Luke did a great job with this video and with the history of Mac pricing which puts today's Apple prices into perspective and proves that the Macs of today are a great value but if you can find a discounted deal it's a no brainer of a buy, very good video

  • @MarbsMusic
    @MarbsMusic Год назад +6

    Given my loaded IIci was so expensive it qualified for a Student Loan in 1990 but I was able to use it until 97 which was amazing IMHO. I definitely agree with your video, just noting there are outliers from time to time but you general consensus is right on target!

  • @tkusterb
    @tkusterb Год назад +2

    This video made me recall my first Apple computer, the Apple //c in 1986. It didn't even have onboard memory to run an operating system; you had to insert a big floppy disk before turning it on for the computer to work. I used it almost exclusively for creating teaching content (worksheets, handouts, tests, etc., along with a dot-matrix printer) as a beginning teacher and I was THRILLED not to have to create all that stuff on a typewriter anymore. It included a separate monitor (black screen with green text) and built-in floppy drive and was built like a tank. I could type really fast, edit text, copy/paste entire paragraphs (or pages!) of corrections and updates, make stylistic changes (italics, bold, underline) by highlighting and keyboard shortcuts... you know, the stuff we do all the time now but were revolutionary workflow advancements at the time. Now, at least a dozen Macs later, it was fun to look back at where I started out with computers and appreciate the relatively lower cost for productivity today. Just go to Google Images and search "Apple //c" for some great photos of that very cool early computer!

  • @davidtimar1
    @davidtimar1 Год назад

    very interesting topic, love your recap comparison videos about tech, please do more.

  • @alphazutn1274
    @alphazutn1274 Год назад +1

    Really nice video Luke. More on Apple history please.

  • @paulussantosociwidjaja4781
    @paulussantosociwidjaja4781 Год назад

    Luke - Thank you for the learning to the price study approach, that's interesting.

  • @bryans8656
    @bryans8656 Год назад +2

    I had a mid 2012 MacBook Pro 13 until just recently and it was very usable (after a few upgrades) running Catalina. The old unibody Macs have a lot of longevity.

  • @thrallfaec6130
    @thrallfaec6130 Год назад +8

    I'm using a 2013 27" iMac with base configuration (except for the maxed out RAM and added NVMe SSD) and it still runs like a champion.I bought it couple of months ago as more of a second computer or to use as a wireless display for my M1 MacBook Air.Still amazed that it actually still is very much usable to this day.

    • @vincentnnyc
      @vincentnnyc Год назад +1

      How do you use your m1 with your 2013 27” iMac as a wireless display?

    • @thrallfaec6130
      @thrallfaec6130 Год назад

      @@vincentnnyc i use patched Monterey on the iMac, conennect both to the same network, and on the MacBook in the display preferences there should (or should I say, might) be the option to clone the display to the iMac.Sounds great, doesn’t work the best tho.

    • @vincentnnyc
      @vincentnnyc Год назад

      @@thrallfaec6130 how do you get Monterey on 2013 iMac? Please detail instructions how to get it cause I also have 2013 iMac and the latest OS I can get on it is Catalina.

    • @thrallfaec6130
      @thrallfaec6130 Год назад

      @@vincentnnyc OpenCore Legacy Patcher

    • @vincentnnyc
      @vincentnnyc Год назад

      @@thrallfaec6130 which website are you getting it from?

  • @hawkmankt
    @hawkmankt Год назад

    This is a great video Luke. That's coming from a guy who ponied up for the iBook and the iMac DV SE back in the day. Still have that iMac too. 😉

  • @andyrharris
    @andyrharris Год назад

    Very interesting video. A perspective often overlooked.

  • @FintanMoloney
    @FintanMoloney Год назад

    Very good points here. I was using a 2013 13" Retina Macbook Pro up to this year as my main laptop. It only had a Dual Core i5, 8GB and a 256GB SSD. I sold that this year and put the money towards a used 2016 13" Retina Touchbar model with i7 Quad Core, 16GG, and 512GB SSD plus 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports. The performance is great and my old Macbook paid for 1/3 of the cost of the replacement.

  • @Vicki_Benji
    @Vicki_Benji Год назад +2

    I agree. I still have, and use my early 2015 MacBook Air. It's in pristine condition, just slow. I also have an M1 MacBook Air that's my main device now, and will be for years.

  • @officialoison
    @officialoison Год назад

    What/s that backround/wallpaper? I love it!

  • @JKNProductions
    @JKNProductions Год назад +1

    I agree. I still have a 2007 20" iMac and while it can't do the latest things or watch things in the highest resolution, if I need to entertain a kid with a youtube video or a DVD it is a great computer. And it is 15 years old.

  • @michaelwood9866
    @michaelwood9866 Год назад +2

    I would agree luke. I have a 2012 mbp 13 inch with ventura 13.0.1 on it and honestly works amazing! I have many 2008 to 2012 laptops all with windows 10 and all run fast and efficient. When on a small budget, and you have the knowhow, it's best to extend the life of the laptop you have until you can get a new one. There are many that are cheap enough to do everyday tasks on.

    • @c0lddev
      @c0lddev Год назад

      How are you running Ventura? I have a late 2012 retina MBP and it only supports up to Catalina.

    • @michaelwood9866
      @michaelwood9866 Год назад

      @@c0lddev open core legacy patcher

  • @Lombwolf
    @Lombwolf Год назад +1

    A couple months ago I got my first MacBook a 14 inch M1 Max with 24 core gpu 32 gigs of ram, 2tb ssd logic, Final Cut Pro, and Apple Care+ and I’m so happy with it. Was about $5k total but I know I’m gonna end up using it for years, and years.

  • @jeffreysmith4304
    @jeffreysmith4304 Год назад

    I have my Mac SE (1988) on the Floor behind me: used until the late 90s as backup
    & one of the original iBooks on a shelf next to me

  • @Huskerswrld
    @Huskerswrld Год назад

    Luke, keep it up!

  • @playsaxnow3391
    @playsaxnow3391 Год назад +3

    For me, I use a 2012 MacBook Pro laptop with non functioning DVD Drive and pimped out 2TB Solid State. i have used this laptop for 10 years. It works well for everyday use like Zoom and for some light video editing and music production. You're right, Apple's price have really come down. I could not afford to buy them back in 2001 and in the 1990s but I use a 10 year old one every day and I am mostly happy with it.

  • @MIDO2802
    @MIDO2802 Год назад

    Great video
    Thanks

  • @vincentmarq9409
    @vincentmarq9409 Год назад

    amazing channel 👌

  • @transitengineer
    @transitengineer Год назад

    Thank you, Luke for another excellent historical computer video. The more gray hair, I get each year makes a difference when talking with my co-workers about Apple computers both desktops and laptops. I started my journey with Apple computers in 1996, with all All-in-One 5400. Back in the day for a professional Apple system you could easy spend $10,000 just on maxing out the computer system’s RAM memory (smile…smile).

  • @kasziel
    @kasziel Год назад

    I still use my MacBook Pro 15 late 2013, I even installed Ventura through open core legacy patcher, it works like a charme! Sure sometimes it slows down, but I suppose that’s on me for having 6 safari windows with some 150 tabs open…

  • @filterfreephotography
    @filterfreephotography Год назад +1

    I can’t believe I did not subscribe to you until today. Been watching you for what feels like forever.
    This video is very timely as I have been debating on getting either a 14” MBP M1 Pro 10/16/32GB/1TB or a 14” MBP M1 Max 10/32/64GB/1TB. I don’t do video editing, but my last MacBook was a 2013 13” MBP. I have been debating on what would be best for long term. I think you sold me on the M1 Max since my discount only makes them about $700 difference in price - $2600 vs. $3300.
    What are your thoughts on it? M1 Max for longevity or save money with the M1 Pro. My use case is basically, productivity (Office 365), media consumption, and some Lightroom photo editing.

  • @zumuvtuber
    @zumuvtuber Год назад +9

    I think this is one of the best videos you've uploaded recently, congrats! A lot of people take what we have nowadays as "normal" for granted. Tech today not only lasts longer, it's also much more powerful and versatile. I still occasionally use my 2012 retina MBP and it works great for most things, but the PC I had a few years before that? Borderline unusable by the time I purchased that MBP.

    • @Mopsie
      @Mopsie Год назад

      Agreed, this was great work!

  • @markmitchell5220
    @markmitchell5220 Год назад

    A real eye opener as I have been a Mac user since the 6100 A/V! 😃

  • @Piketom1
    @Piketom1 Год назад +1

    I am very happy with my 16” M1 pro MacBook Pro. It’s nearly $1000 less than my PC while having a better display, unbelievably excellent built-in speakers, microphones, a very good web-cam and mind bending battery life. It’s actually a pretty good value for what you get considering it can actually replace a desktop in terms of capability and performance while retaining the benefits of a laptop.

  • @lorenzonayalkar334
    @lorenzonayalkar334 Год назад

    Hey Luke if I wanted to buy a Macintosh SE/30, just for show, doesn’t have to work, what would your suggestion be?

  • @metalfan1100
    @metalfan1100 Год назад +9

    My 16 has been an absolute wonder to have. I never thought id ever buy a macbook but I definitely don’t regret it. The fact that I know I will have a great laptop for the next 5-10 years is awesome.

  • @RbAgsts718
    @RbAgsts718 Год назад

    I paid in the 1990 a made to order Dell for approximately $2500. Back then you just didn’t just need to operate a computer 🖥️. You had to know how to format the hard drive and load biometric systems. My printer was only good for printing three pages and it would jam. The HP printer was $250.

  • @jierenzheng7670
    @jierenzheng7670 Год назад +1

    I have an M1 Max 16" MBP but man, the GPU performance of the M2 seems to be about 15% better per core, tempting especially for emulation gaming. I wonder if we can overclock the M1 Max with a shunt mod similar to GPU shunt mods to get it to draw more watts since it is locked down in software.

  • @technocatdance
    @technocatdance Год назад

    I plan to run my base model m1 mac mini for 5 years and I am feeling pretty confident it will make it no problem, with an external hdd connected storage won't really be an issue either

  • @phinestro
    @phinestro Год назад

    Great synopsis.. 7:56

  • @cwilson6365
    @cwilson6365 Год назад

    It is interesting how technology is changing and how we use compute power and the amount of time between generations. I don't run the latest and greatest, for my use, I don't have to .. But it is entertaining and educational on how powerful these devices are becoming. Do I see an Apple Silicon anything in my future? yes. When will that be? when I am ready. Something we all could practice now and then .. :) keep up the good content!

  • @Thetechmanism
    @Thetechmanism Год назад +1

    Electronics are cheaper but a lot of other things aren’t like shopping for groceries.

  • @nicomonkeyboy
    @nicomonkeyboy Год назад

    My first machine was a Mac II, a Sony 20" Monitor and and Agfa 256 greyscale scanner - total package over £10k in 1988

  • @artur_online_
    @artur_online_ Год назад

    good point

  • @jayvqz
    @jayvqz Год назад

    MacBook Air M1 right here and totally happy with it for my workflow🤙🏻

  • @RbAgsts718
    @RbAgsts718 Год назад

    And the 14 inch base Model I have seen on Best Buy and Amazon for $1599 on Sale. Not that often, but every now and then. Amazon and Best Buy are authorized dealers for Apple 🍎.

  • @digitalmarketinghumans
    @digitalmarketinghumans Год назад +4

    Thanks Luke for putting things into perspective and reminding us the history of the computers and Macs from older generations.
    It just keeps getting better! Sure, tech may slow down a bit but i'd rather have this trade off anyday!

  • @launcherxofficial9893
    @launcherxofficial9893 Год назад

    We bought a MacBook Pro 14 10c 16c 1TB a few weeks ago and I am planning to keep it for at least 8-9 years.

  • @gaoldias
    @gaoldias Год назад

    I'm still rocking a late 2012 Mac Mini. Sure, I maxed out the RAM and replaced the mechanical HD with an SSD but it's still very usable.

  • @NicholasMcClure
    @NicholasMcClure Год назад

    As someone who lived through the 90s using Macs at my previous boss's design studio, I remember so well the eye-watering prices. We could only justify them because we were making good money with them. A PowerMac G3 was about $4K, and a good 27" Trinitron CRT monitor was about $3K. So, yeah, a production setup was minimum $7k. And that was just for decent Photoshop performance and desktop publishing. Now, my 16" MacBook Pro runs circles around the highest high end desktop I used to work on, AND IT'S PORTABLE WITH ALL DAY BATTERY LIFE. I am sooooo grateful for the power and convenience I have available now!

  • @76luislara
    @76luislara Год назад

    You are absolutley right. I bought my first computer in 1998 ( Intel Pentium II 64 MB ) and just 3 years later it performed so slow that I bought a new one this time Pentium III with 256 MB. My first Laptop was a Leonovo T61 ( back in 2008 ) and it didn't last more than 2 years. My first MacBook Pro lasted 8 years ( 2014- 2022 ). I think the move from traditional Hard Disks to SSD has improved the lifespan of a computer ( epecially Laptops ) and also the fact that the difference in performance is not very big every year, so many people wait longer to upgrade. I bought my last laptop in 2019 and still going strong, so no plans to upgarde before 2025.

  • @alexridore9759
    @alexridore9759 Год назад

    Couldn't help but notice that 'Cable and satellite television and radio service' has shot up like a rocket in your chart at 6:59

  • @JDFloyd
    @JDFloyd Год назад

    I upgraded to the MBP 16" maxed out - 8tb, 64gb 10-core / 32-core. Got it from the Apple refurbished store for $5,209. Well worth it.

  • @DeannaAllison
    @DeannaAllison Год назад

    As if to prove your point, I watched your video on my 2012 15-inch MacBook Pro. I didn't expect it to last for a decade, but I still use it almost every day.

  • @iHusk
    @iHusk Год назад +1

    Speaking as one of the 235 people in America alive and working back in 1984, the Macintosh didn't really leave that big of an impression on me.The Lisa seemed an overall superior product for how much you were paying. A few years later I got to fiddle around with an SE and I finally understood what the fuss was about, but originally, despite the GUI, the price for the original 128K felt like an insult to my intelligence, and my then dislike for Jobs just nailed that coffin.
    I still think Steve Jobs was a smarmy little shit if I'm honest.

    • @lukemiani
      @lukemiani  Год назад

      Wow you were one of the 234?? insane

    • @iHusk
      @iHusk Год назад

      @@lukemiani Yeah I don't know where all these people came from. At first I thought it was a tourist group but they never went away...

  • @sneekeruk
    @sneekeruk Год назад +1

    All hardware lasts longer nowerdays, Im using a 12 year old xeon in my main pc, and a 2011 macbook pro and neither struggle with what I use them for, the pc does have a nvidia 1060 in it as an upgrade and both have 16gb ram, when I first got a pc, it was upgrade every 18 months or so, 386 to a 486dx2 withing a year, then a 5x86 less then a year later, then a pentium 133 18 months later, then a 166mmx, then there was maybe a 2 year gap before I got a p2 450, then maybe 3 years till an athlon 2000. The only machines I feel I kept for a long time where that p2 450, and a dual core pentium in the core2 era, probably because it was overclocked to basically double its stock speed. In the last 8 years or so, Ive only had 2 pc's, my current xeon, and a hp dual xeon from the core2 era as it was 8 cores it still worked pretty well with an at the time 2 year old mid range video card.

  • @tortysoft
    @tortysoft Год назад

    Hi Luke. Can you take a retrospective of the Acorn / BBC / Archimedes range of machines that started in 1981 / 1987 for the Arc. If you don't know them, I think you will be - impressed.

  • @maher_m0477
    @maher_m0477 Год назад

    i have a 2011 15" macbook pro alongside my m1 macbook air which i currently use. the mbp still works jst fine for me. i only got the mba bc its much lighter n i can take it to school

  • @phinestro
    @phinestro Год назад

    Question:
    So fomo and demand lead to the cost of computer far cheaper cause of adaption? Or opportunity to sale more units for funding?

  • @12sakar
    @12sakar Год назад

    Where do you get that wallpaper from the intro?

  • @15725867905
    @15725867905 Год назад

    It’s the same with any emerging technology. It’s expensive to iterate on advances, but at scale it becomes more economical and more competitive which ultimately drives pricing down. There are other things to consider as well. Universities dedicated more resources and grants into research on chip design, development and programming, which the private sector could benefit from. The military did the same. So on and so on. Perfect examples are GPS technology, email, cloud computing, and even farming.

  • @bobcubsfan
    @bobcubsfan Год назад +1

    My first computer was a 1984 Macintosh. As you pointed out, it was about $2,400. My comment is that you can almost pick any year, and the computer you want will cost about $2,000 give or take.

  • @ghassab8026
    @ghassab8026 Год назад +1

    Will my 13’ MacBook Pro from 2019 last until 2029 ? we will have wait and see 🙂

  • @reyfachriza6197
    @reyfachriza6197 Год назад

    That's US bro. In Asia especially my place Indonesia, price is getting crazy. A maxed out MBP cost a small car here in Indonesia.

  • @bmwloco
    @bmwloco Год назад

    I have always purchase the most expensive Apple Refurb I could be when needed. It used to be annually. Now it's every 5 to 7 years. That's a good thing, really. They build quality gear that lasts.

  • @walpoleandworcester
    @walpoleandworcester Год назад

    Makes me think about how computers were in general back then. I woulda never thought in 20 years they would be this powerful and last so long at such a price point!

  • @mattriney6072
    @mattriney6072 Год назад

    "Chaotic lineup filled with expensive products" why does that ring a bell?

  • @mrfroopy
    @mrfroopy Год назад

    Just so you know, in 1982 to edit videos with top end effects you needed a whole edit room with close to a million dollars or more worth of gear. now you can do it on a 1200 dollar computer or less. One professional reel to reel Video tape recorder cost close to 100 thousand, you needed 3 or 4 or more for complex effects, a Production Switcher cost a quarter mil or more a 2 channel Digital effects box cost 500 thousand.. plus all the racks, wiring font generator, consoles etc.. so actually more than a million and it would cost 200 to 800 an hour or more to rent by the day one for post production.

  • @IcebergTech
    @IcebergTech Год назад

    That? Oh, that's the sound of thousands of kids bookmarking this video, ready for the next time they have to explain to their parents why they "need" a $4000 computer.

  • @GatoPaint
    @GatoPaint Год назад +1

    *DISCLAIMER:* This Macbook is not cheap.
    *END OF THE DISCLAIMER*
    😂
    great video!

  • @claytonpetree527
    @claytonpetree527 Год назад

    I'm 49 so basically grew up with Apple. They used to (I think) give Apple II's to public schools and I remember when the Lisa, then Macintosh, came out. Check out the Apple IIc - if you want to see Apple's first "portable" Probably storage and memory were the most expensive components - I upgraded my IIGS and it cost me $1/k - $800 for 768k!!! Anyway, Apple was always a sort of plaything for the well off and some professionals - even today the Air is quite expensive, too expensive, for most people that aren't computer dorks like us. You wanna see something funny - look up the IIc and Lazer 128. I actually bought the Lazer because I simply couldn't afford the Apple. I guess what you are missing in the video is that there were tons of affordable options to PC and Apple. Look up the Tandy "coco" and Commodore 64. You could do most of the same things on them like word processing and spreadsheets, gaming, etc (lots of games!). There were also lots of pirate sites you could download fake versions of games like Donkey Kong for the coco as an example.

  • @ZackM72
    @ZackM72 Год назад +6

    I think this is a great perspective that gets lost on people, and it’s due to the initial sticker shock. It’s hard to argue when tech has become disposable to have a $400 laptop sitting next to a $1500 one and the person buying just wants something for email and Facebook. I try to tell family members to invest a little more in something that’ll last longer and try to steer them away from the Best Buy special or some basic tech because it’s cheap at the time of purchase and instead get something that lasts longer and a bit better quality. For this I’ve tried to push people to the M1 Air that I know aren’t using it for anything really demanding and the downfall there is I think the 8GB ram will become a hinderance long before the machine fails.

    • @HVDynamo
      @HVDynamo Год назад +1

      Yeah, I wouldn't even consider buying a new machine that only has 8GB of RAM if it can't be upgraded later. 16GB is the realistic minimum for any new machine, and I'd even lean towards more to make sure it can truly last without suffering performance issues later on.

    • @imho4990
      @imho4990 Год назад

      This was possible thanks to globalization and the transfer of production to China. Now the reverse process is taking place and you have to get used to the big changes in the prices of electronics and computers.

    • @abraxsis
      @abraxsis Год назад

      8GB is going to be MORE than enough for email and Facebook for the foreseeable future. People just aren't realistic as to what it actually takes to do that stuff. The answer is very little. If that's all they're really doing for the next 4 years, tell them to get any tablet under 300.00 and they'll be fine.

    • @ZackM72
      @ZackM72 Год назад

      @@abraxsis I’ve had that argument too of suggesting a tablet when all they’re doing is scrolling social media

  • @IsaiahBuildStuff
    @IsaiahBuildStuff Год назад

    A nice Apple history video.

  • @Breadts1cks
    @Breadts1cks Год назад

    Luke, have you ever had something DOA from apple new? I bought my 16" M1 Pro MacBook this past summer and it was actually dead on arrival. I had to go to an Apple Store to exchange it.

  • @a4e69636b
    @a4e69636b Год назад

    Thank you for the history lesson. We have it great.

  • @NiqqaFella
    @NiqqaFella Год назад +1

    “It’s actually cheap” in a apple video kills me

  • @technocatdance
    @technocatdance Год назад

    Same rule goes for TVs my friend bought a flat TV back in like 2009 with inflation that would $1500 today which could get you into a oled tv and she even bought it on black friday so the mrsp was likely a couple hundred higher

  • @eh7378
    @eh7378 Год назад +2

    Bro... I see your logic but.... It's still hella expensive especially when in 5 years it going to be with less the $1000. I picked up a 2015 top of the line 15" MacBook pro for less than $200. Unless you absolutely must have this kind of power and it makes you way more money it's simply a stupid look at me I'm cool purchase

  • @firstnlastnamethe3rd771
    @firstnlastnamethe3rd771 Год назад

    I'm so old! I used the SE at my first graphics job. Had no idea they paid that much for it?!

  • @BYUEagle
    @BYUEagle Год назад

    I used my 2007 iMac just fine for 10 years. I thought I would have to replace it in five years. I bought a specked out 2017 iMac and hope to hold onto that for 10 years. A desktop computer for every 10 years.

  • @paulgreen758
    @paulgreen758 Год назад

    over the covid pandemic and we had far longer lockdowns than you guys did the last 1 was 6 months, I bought about 30 2012 MacBooks pros on you're advice for buying base model upgraded them to SSD and 16gb ram and gifted them to the local schools for the online learning, they all still work, I use a M1 air the now and a old 2015 iMac when will we see a new 27-30 inch iMac Luke

  • @triforcelink
    @triforcelink Год назад

    You should do a video where you project forwards 10-20 years on where the personal computers are going.

  • @abc123fhdi
    @abc123fhdi Год назад

    So many gen z or millennials would say Power PC is the original or old Mac lmao. Glad you referenced Motorola, the true OG Mac.

  • @DinodogJr
    @DinodogJr Год назад

    Year 2008 with my first purchased ever Apple MacBook Pro 15”. That’s my most expensive assets I ever spent on computer. Sold it out after 4 years, due to the nvidia card is a time bomb as logic board got destroyed by it once. Lucky under warranty year, it was fixed without a cost.
    Year 2012, I switched to MBA 11”. Easily faster Ssd exceed my expectation with half a price cheaper than my Year 2008 MBP. Connected to a monitor and it’s my favourite mobile workstation.
    Luckily enough, I could upgrade SSd and change battery pack on my own in the mba 2012 is a true bliss. I could not let go of the Apple glows logo as they are not coming back anymore.
    Year 2018, I went for Mac mini Intel version. Upgradable RAM. And small form factor with multiple ports supports was a mighty mini powerful workstation.
    Still using it by today.
    Nowadays M1 integrated GPU chipset is triggering into a more complete mobile workstation again.
    Blackout is such a pain with Mac mini..

  • @msheaver
    @msheaver Год назад +2

    Can you do an analysis like this on the so-called "Apple tax" (a.k .a. premium prices for Apple products)? This would be wonderful!

    • @Ferrichrome
      @Ferrichrome Год назад

      I’d like to see this too. Now with the M1 chips the price difference is much less between the competition. But you still can’t deny that apple products always cost more but they are premium products. As Steve Jobs once said, we don’t ship crap.

    • @CertifiedSlamboy
      @CertifiedSlamboy Год назад +2

      @@Ferrichrome
      They've definitely had a few instances of shipping crap though.
      Their 2016-2020 MBPs for example. Hot, thermal throttled, awful keyboards and very expensive compared to other brands.

  • @pauldwalker
    @pauldwalker Год назад +1

    i was prepared to poo poo your opening statement, but you stated your case well, and i have to agree.

  • @MichaelSidneyTimpson
    @MichaelSidneyTimpson Год назад +1

    Ouch...that powerbook G3 is they same age as you? I bought that powerbook at its release when I was 31....

  • @HVDynamo
    @HVDynamo Год назад

    Totally true on how computers can last so much longer now. I am watching this and typing this comment on my Mid 2012 cMBP that still works great!

  • @shalomrutere2649
    @shalomrutere2649 Год назад +1

    You giving Apple the nudge to hike prices in their upcoming products 😂

  • @TheBlackManMythLegend
    @TheBlackManMythLegend Год назад +1

    HAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA - reaction to the clickbait title - Now let's see the video in background

  • @phinestro
    @phinestro Год назад

    , the m1 MacBook Pro is known for its powerful performance and ability to handle demanding tasks, so it is likely that it would be able to handle music production software and other applications that require a lot of processing power.
    As a immersive composer , I use logic pro and dolby Atmos ALOT! Also I do video edit for content 4k video and need to get quick integration between my mac and iPhone for posting. So this is the best bet usage in the apple ecosystem keeps me productive and efficient
    So the demand went higher in cutting cost by creating more mobility..
    More at the end of this video 😅

  • @helloukw
    @helloukw Год назад

    I remember my first computer, it was a Pentium I with a 17 inch CRT monitor for 1000 $. That's almost double now.

  • @StuffIThink
    @StuffIThink Год назад

    There isnt any way to account for every variable but a very important one you skipped is the all the money they make selling you software and and hardware afterward

  • @Dahamck
    @Dahamck Год назад

    True!

  • @Simon-ml4lu
    @Simon-ml4lu Год назад

    It’s a good point mate. Lucky us.

  • @deniskilgour
    @deniskilgour Год назад +1

    Whats the best second hand MacBook to get thats cheap but not cheap enough to make it useless??

  • @bibbolegend3507
    @bibbolegend3507 Год назад

    So what version is yours?

  • @rakly3473
    @rakly3473 Год назад

    "This PowerBook G3 is the same age as I am. And it looks nothing like me."
    I though he was gonna say.

  • @maxsilverstone8600
    @maxsilverstone8600 Год назад

    To your final point - It's totally true! Some people are upset at a lack of innovation unlike computers back in the 80s and 90s. But it's because most laptops today already do everything you need them to do. An innovation in the 90s was going from a black and white screen to color. And innovation in the 2000s was adding a webcam. An innovation in the 2010s was all day battery life.
    We're at the point now where laptops can do basically everything we ask them to do - We can expect anything we want out of them. That simply wasn't the case even 10 years ago, and all the more so 20 or 30 years ago.