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Apple's Stock Price Drop: Is Vision Pro Already a Flop?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
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On Monday, Apple announced their long awaited headset - Vision Pro. The sales pitch presented was very slick, but markets didn't seem to buy into the hype... with Apple's share price dropping following the announcement. So... is it already a flop?
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00:00 Introduction
01:40 What is the Vision Pro?
02:59 Why People WON'T Buy It
05:38 Why People WILL Buy It
08:45 Could This Help Meta?
Apple stock almost always drop after an event, as sky high expectations get a little punctured. Doesn't mean a thing. Title is clickbaity.
The price drop might not mean much. But the headset is almost certainly going to be a flop.
So many people already use VR headsets, but not for regular computing, which is what Apple appear to be aiming at. People use them for gaming with PCs and in some technical industries they are used for training. AR headsets have even less uses. The headset is far too heavy and bulky for long term use, because Apple made it out of metal rather than plastic, and you really wouldn't want to wear it for the full 2 hour battery life, let alone an 8 hour work day. Those who used it for the half an hour demo said that they wouldn't use it for longer than that because it's so heavy.
The hand and eye tracking functionality is about the best thing on it, but now other companies are easily going to be able to implement that into their far cheaper VR headsets. And they have a whole year to bring something to market - which isn't hard to do if you already make VR headsets and Apple have just shown you how they did it.
But the most obvious thing that is going to kill it, is that Apple fans are largely superficial. Lots of other companies make far better functioning products for a lot less. Apple just has a way of making their products look good. However, this doesn't look good. It's always going to make you look odd. There's a reason "the eyes are the windows to the soul" is a saying. Completely covering up your eyes is odd for those around you, but replacing them with a digital version of them is even more weird. Apple hopes people will want to use it in the same way as their phone or laptop. But they have completely failed to design a product that would let you do that. It's not designed to be used in a mobile way. The best user experience is going to be crashed out on your sofa. But if you are going to just use it for that, why not just buy a way cheaper, more comfortable, VR headsets and a decent PC that you can use as a media center in your living room.
There are so many issues with this headset. People who buy it won't use it enough to justify buying another one.
yes but this definitely was the funniest one ever.
I hate stock drop headlines. By the time you read them the stock will have almost certainly returned to normal. They almost always have an 'apple lost X amount overnight' line in there too which is asinine
It's like the tiniest drop ever. Apple is still on an all time high
@@idontwanttopickone yk for a fact we ain't reading allat
All the leaks/rumours prior to the event mean the headset reveal was already 'priced in' and was always set to drop - people call it 'selling the news' because their speculation in the run-up has turned out to be true. It happens almost every time there's an Apple event
Yup, I literally came from the Nebula video to RUclips just to leave this comment. It's an extremely well-known phenomenon. Buy the rumour, sell the news. Happens nearly every time Apple announces anything.
That said, in this case, one of the rumours was that they might release this as a kind of "dev kit" model, _explicitly_ targeted towards developers and the most enthusiastic of enthusiasts. Realistically, that's who it's going to be at first anyway, but it might have helped Apple's image to have made that more explicit.
@@JimCullen yeaaaaa, was gonna say, this supposed “target audience” was NOT made clear with the event 😂😂
I don't see VR taking off until the headsets become the size of glasses
I've never owned an Apple product in my life and I'm confident this will make VR an actual market that'll push the industry forward. And another thing, Apple stock went down 2% after they unveiled the iPhone for the first time
@mythbuster6126 if you think there won't be a RIDICULOUS amount of porn on that headset eventually you're dead wrong lol
@@mythbuster6126 😂😂😂
@@beckettthirion3147 And games let's not forget their are ways to run Steam on Mac.
Though meta quest 2 can do the same thing and it's only 250 dollars
@@geekume5539it's not really a competitor for Meta, tbh. From my perspective, this is the beginning of Apple setting a staging ground for expanding its ecosystem. Prices will go down, plateau, and then go back up over time as the market matures.
The main reason people won't buy the Vision Pro. Is that Vision Pro is a prototype. The presentation isn't for the public. It is meant for the app developers. It's a WWDC. The public will get a better, lighter and cheaper version.
I don’t think I can emphasize how much lighter and cheaper the public version would need to be. For any kind of mass adoption your gonna need it to be as light as google glass, that is to say glasses of some form, either have massive battery life if you keep the battery pack or the 2-3 hour battery needs to be built into the set, and the price will need to be $1500 at most. If it’s significantly more expensive than the new IPhone, it won’t stand a chance.
Also it will need to have a core identity and selling point by the time the public reveal occurs. As it stands, it’s more inconvenient than using a phone for AR, Oculus for VR, or multiple monitors/laptops/tablets for productivity.
@@colinwalker6804 That depends. A version for just in the living room can be as big as Meta's Glasses. But yes if you want to walk around outdoors, is has to be as small as Google glass.
For comparison, the first laptop were massive and only for indoor. But now...
The Vision Pro is a computer by itself. So it can be the price of a Macbook. It does not have to outperform a phone or a laptop. It in a seperate class of computer. Most people will in time have a smartwatch, smartphone, laptop/PC and a VR-headset.
The reason for this presentation is so that app developers can create a core identity. They have some time till the consumers version Vision Pro comes out.
That was the rumour Simon, and it's probably still going to be true in practice. But in the end that's _not_ how they marketed this. They're marketing it as though it's ready for end users. It might have helped them if they had just been explicit and said "for now, this is for developers".
okay but that presentation clearly was for the public lmao
@@ltbq yeah it definitely is. WWDC is a developer conference, just like Google I/O. But the keynote address at those two conferences are both aimed at the regular public (or at least, at tech enthusiasts, and at journalists reporting _to_ the general public). I/O even has a separate "developer keynote" later the same day which is explicitly for developers.
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it's a product I can see myself using at home occasionally or maybe for work (if it turns out to be more useful than using multiple monitors sitting at a desk) but NEVER in public
There are many devices today that are offering excellent quality for a fraction of the cost and provide the same experiences Apple demoed. Xreal Air for example. Or the XR headsets by Vive for example. Microsoft Hololens if you want the closest competitor who also have had a built in battery that last longer thna the soap with a cable that Apple uses, and has had the hand gestures and tracking that Apple says they innovated on by getting rid of pesky controllers that you will need as soon as you do anything except use this as a second monityor for massive viewing.
and even if you were to use it in public it would only be for 2 hours at the most
@@ABDLLHSDDQI with 4k eye screens and sensors that allows you to operate it with your hands? Does it have software technology that's as decent as the vision os which is just vr mac os?
@@arv7539 Xreal air costs 1/10th and provides and awesome 2nd screen experience which is 90% of what the Apple demo showed. Longer battery life. Lighter headset. Not as huge and obnoxious to look at outdoors. You can and people do take Xreal Air on a plane or connect it to a steam deck and have a large immersive private screen.
Adding higher level hardware is great, but its the bare minimum and doesn't make the headset a revolutionary product. The demo showed nothing significant. The usability of the headset is worse with the soap with a wire battery. Hololens invented good controller free hand tracking 7 years ago. If Apple's hand tracking is better today, then that's not a surprise, but it is far from the novel innovation they called it. And They dissed controllers as if iyou wouldn't need one for anything more complex that viewing screens and loving screens around.
What apps does the Apple headset have? None rn. Its an enterprise priced dev ket being marketed for consumers. You can actually get amazing experiences that you can get today for a price that most people can enjoy them. People diss on those and pretend that anything less than the Apple one is going to be a good device, even though it has not demoed anything different or special, costs 10x more of the most basic excellent competition, and 3.5x more than Occulus and Vive XR headsets,
@@ABDLLHSDDQI It’s a stretch to call the quality of these devices excellent. Microsoft’s mixed reality division is reportedly in incredible disarray, lacking direction to take their product, and employees are leaving to work for Meta so much so that I wouldn’t trust entering the HoloLens ecosystem right now given that it costs $3,500 just like Apple.
Xreal Air essentially only offers the ability to project a device’s display in front of you, without any kind of environmental blending that you would get from a smarter device, and it costs a little more than the quest 2 did at launch, and with the beam it costs almost as much as the quest 3 will (different devices with different capabilities, but gives perspective on price of technology). It does a lot less than what apple’s glasses will do, and that’s reflected in the price.
As for HTC’s Vive series of devices, they’re not even doing what the Vision Pro and HoloLens are trying to do with their productivity focused devices. They’re competing directly with Meta and the Quest line, not with Apple and Microsoft, and in that respect their devices are riddled with so many quality of life issues that it can be argued their most premium device, the Vive XR Elite at $1,099, should be passed over in favor of the $299 base Quest 2, let alone the Quest Pro which it’s actually trying to compete with.
As I’ve laid out, it’s disingenuous to say that what Apple is doing is being done by everyone else but cheaper. Most headsets are focused on gaming rather than productivity, sunglass devices only project a fixed screen in front of you, and the product that Apple is actually competing with, Microsoft’s HoloLens at the same price of $3,500, is reportedly a dumpster fire in terms of company management and I would not trust entering its ecosystem until Microsoft figures out what they want to do with the device and puts out a new updated model to compete with the new technology Apple is putting out in the market.
I won’t be buying it. But I think this is a smart move by apple even if it’s sales are low: developing and improving on a tech like this takes time. It might be clunky now, but if they lay the foundations for something more akin to sunglasses, it’ll work. But you need years of iterations to get there. You have to start somewhere….
I agree, except that I CAN'T buy it.😢
Apple predicts that smartphone improvements and market competition has peaked, how many more cameras will samsung, apple or other brands add before it starts getting annoying?
Apple is betting on this AR/VR shit the same way they bet on the first iphone, they're testing the waters by giving it a high price and will soon have price drops and better specs and whatnot.
What i like about the situation is that Apple has been leading up to this moment since they added AR tech to the iphone, it seemed useless but now we know their real intentions
@@arv7539 You’re right. I saw something about how 10 years ago ppl lined up blocks to buy iPhones, but not now. It was an attempted knock on Apple, but it fell flat: no one lines up to buy iPhones because it’s been so successful it’s become a necessity. You choose apple or android, and it’s common. There’s not much exciting about a better camera or faster processor. Apple and others have to look many years down the road, just because we use phones the way we do doesn’t mean that behavior pattern will be common in 10 years
@@adamarthur8985 let's see if Elon does a phone, that will tip the market upsidedown
Lmaooooo homie, VR tech has been around for DECADES now 😂
It’s simply a solution that doesn’t work on a mass scale….likely never will….but y’all keep pushing this idea that people like me just need to be “wowed” by a VR headset….
Maybe, but…this headset ain’t it ❤ lol
It drops after every keynote regardless of what is announced. This drop may be because the headset isn't available to buy immediately. Either way it's now a baked in occurrence for all tech announcements and keynotes. Unity stock jumped which says it all really.
I can see applications for lab techs, surgeons, mechanics and people who do complex tasks with their hands. But for the casual consumer, it's 'too much' to walk around with that on. Also the entry-price for the original iPhone was vastly lover than this, the barrier for entry is simply too high for most people curious to test it. Adoption for this with be slow, not a landslide like the iPhone.
Apple always manage to convince people to pay more for things - no doubt they could do the same here. When the iPhone launched, it's price was considered insane for a phone, we were all paying ~£100 for non-smartphones at the time, but we eventually came round to it and over time they've pushed the "normal" price for a high end phone to over £1000 - which would seem unaffordable for so many, yet they buy them anyway. Don't be fooled into thinking that more fools won't be putting themselves into debt for this device.
@@Wozza365 is that apple being smart though? Or just their consumer base being stupid? 🤔❤️
Headsets for controlling surgical robots? They already exist, and Apple would have to build a good surgical robot too to justify buying the headset.
@@Macheako both! Apple knows they have a lot of stupid customers that will put themselves in debt for a fashion accessory
Why do people keep saying the price is likely to come down over time? Name one Apple product that they have reduced the price for. The closest they get to that is selling inferior editions or older versions for a cheaper price. However, there is no device they sell now that does not cost close to the launch price of the first version of that device. The cheapest iPad you can buy right now is the same price the iPad originally launched at.
Your mostly right about the price not going down over time.
But this product might be an exception the main reason is they want global reach with this type of products. Especially being a Niche product like a headset.
This isn't a cell phone where it's dam near guaranteed to sell because it's literally a everyday use product, so they don't have to change there price as something as common as a cell phone, vs a Head set that needs time and a new culture to be built.
I'm not even a a apple ran, but I can potentially see headsets being in our day daily future at some point, once the price comes down and once the tech is more developed
You answered your own question. The price comes down for the same product. New, updated products are released for the same price.
The original Apple Watch launch at $450. You can get a new SE for $350
The original iPhone launched at $499 (+ mandatory non-discounted 2 year contract). you can get a new SE for $429, no contract.
And in answer to your broader point for non SE, headline products.
The original MacBook Air launched at $1799. The equivalent 13" M2 today is $1099.
must be people not vibing with the "robo dad with eyes projected on the front display taking 3d pictures of cozy family moments" vibe.
"0.8% down since the announcement." Are you kidding? Apple stock is up 25% since the rumors about it started hitting six months ago.
Its almost like you haven't watched an Apple keynote before. EVERY keynote, regardless of the products announced, is followed by a stock drop. Then a week or so later the stock goes back to its previous level.
The public will only accept it should we call it the iPatch.
It’s a brilliant example of what’s possible and a great marketing tool. Seems like a loss leader to me!
It's really not that brilliant, merging digital space with reality really seems like a bad idea, like some sort of dystopia where the real world gets neglected and everyone just lives their happy and perfect lives in the artificial reality. That is really nothing to be cheered for, this product succeeding could very well be the beginning of the end
@@taikurinhattu193 if it's a happy life, does it matter? Why would an artificially created world not be real? Also this is more interactive with the real world than basically any headset before, so it actually decourages the 'distopia' of an artifical reality.
@@jaspermooren5883 🤓🤓🤓🤓
that vr headset probably will go the way of the segway : technically vastly superior to a e-scooter, but never the less just a gimmick
Nu e un gimmick tinand cont de interoperabilitatea intre device-uri, gradul de ease-of-use si calitatea overall a produsului. Faptul ca poti sa iti cari un setup foarte calitativ de munca intr-un ghiozdan e wow. Ca nu o sa fie adoptat in masa daca nu coboara pretul, asta e alta discutie.
Cuvant cu cuvant ce ai spus tu s-ar fi putut spune si de primul iPhone :)
The Apple Headset look very good. I have 3 diffrent VR Sets, this Apple thing looks absolut ok. Dont understand the critic .
People don't get the prices. That's the critic strong point, let's be honest looking at all hardware the bill of materials is likely around 1000, considering that the 3500 price seems actually within industry standards (comparing with regular iPhone and s23 ultra as example)
I mean yeah it looks good, for a VR headset. But people don't already like how VR headsets look,.
@@decomposingbrains uhhh im pretty sure $3500 for what you get here is pretty decent compared to competitors at apple's level.
im talking pure compute power here. But I suppose apple has a headstart on everyone in competition in that respect due to their chips. Is it a good product at $3500, probably not, but you wont find a product as powerful as apple's until you start pushing $5000 im pretty sure.
It’s an issue of form, function, and price.
1.) People already dislike how VR looks and the eyes staring through the tinted material creep many people out ontop of that dislike of the bulky headsets.
2.) A lot of the things this can do can be done more practically by other things. AR can be integrated into phones/tablets. VR for entertainment can be done with Steam or Oculus. Productivity can be done with a split screen or multiple monitors or tablets. The product lacks a distinct identity and purpose that sets it apart in a way that justifies the cost.
3.) The price is too dam high for any average consumer or customer. Given that if you have a specific niche role you might use this in, there’s a good chance you have an easier and cheaper alternative already.
Because most people don't understand the point in having 1 VR headset, nevermind having 3 of them. Beyond a handful of games, they're yet to impress the mainstream
Why is the comments section here acting as if VR headsets are anything new when the Quest line of proructs has existed for quite a while now ?
I really don't like Apple for many reasons, but I wish them to succeed, this tech could improve so much if they make it popular enough.
Big company pushing vr/ar is a win for everyone. Imagine a vr headset that has all teh supported apps as much as pc and smartphone. Experiencing the possibilities of vr/ar
3500 is not everyone's price point.
0.8% drop. The title is ridiculously overplaying the situation.
Wait, they expect me to wear that in public? lol
Apple silicon is top-notch. The VR specifications, including cameras, lenses, and the new chip R1 tailored for sensing the environment, make me think that we have transitioned from the age of personal desktop computers (PC) to mobile computing (geodata GPS, accelerometers, compass). The next natural step would be computers that can sense the environment more naturally, just like humans.
Regarding privacy, it is more closely related to the business model. For instance, Google, being an advertising company, is more inclined to sell personal data, while Apple's main income comes from selling hardware. Technically, the enclave security elements in Apple's silicon (similar to Google's Titan chip) can handle sensitive data very well. The more powerful the chip, the better it can process data locally rather than uploading it to the cloud.
PS: I am not sure if UK and AU legislation allows end-to-end encryption like in the US. I noticed that while trying to enable advanced secure settings on my iPhone, I faced a message stating, 'Sorry, not implemented in your jurisdiction,' so...
It's simple, people bought the rumors and sold the news
I think the key difference between Metas and Apples device is that Meta went all in on the metaverse, a product next to no one would ever use whereas this is an AR device (augmented reality) which effectively means you're not living in a computer simulation, you're just augmenting the reality. In other words, you're putting a screen in front of you that displays the actual world around you but has all the upsides of being at a computer.
Knowing Apple, and as mentioned in the video, I'm sure this will become a huge success and at the current moment, this is merely just setting the foundation for a whole new product line and technology. I reckon, at least in part, the reason for the share price drop is just reluctance to change. Also as mentioned in the video was the fact that Airpods and Applewatches became stylish and mainstream, so too will this. Although, probably to a much lesser extent, potentially on par with Macbooks or iMacs.
Idk why these tech companies keep pushing VR when most people have clearly been indifferent to it. The failure of Google glass and VR headsets in movie theaters (remember that?) should’ve been indicators.
The way I see it, this is just non-viable as a base level offering. I feel it has WiiU/Stadia syndrome where it has cool ideas and technology, but it’s a bad pitch without a core identity and software to make it worthwhile.
For someone who wants a VR headset for entertainment, a Oculus Rift or Steam VR set will cost less and have more offerings. Oculus and Steam already has lots of software support and the large user base.
In terms of using it for AR technology, Apple is kinda competing with itself here. The easiest way to get people to accept AR technology is through their phones, not headset’s.
In terms of cost the cheapest competition only cost $500. As those familiar with gaming know, the PlayStation 3 had a lot of hype going into it before launch against the Xbox 360, but the difference in price killed it. That was a difference of a few hundred dollars, not thousands. The PS3 recovered only when it got the software and brought down the price substantially, often cutting innovations and technology to bring that cost down.
The competition ranges from $500-1,000USD. That price point will have to be brought below the cost of production probably to even be competitive.
Lastly, yes Apple does indeed have a strong fandom who are effectively locked in its ecosystem, but those people are not numerically large enough to sustain this product. At best you get an initial surge in purchases in the first quarter, and then stagnation at best and deep decline at worse as everyone who wants and can afford this headset already have one.
Overall, I think the AR angle is better than trying to push for a metaverse necessarily. A digital screen over your daily life is more appealing and certainly more practical. But if you are going to make something like this work, it needs to be more like sunglasses you put on and lightweight like sunglasses, with a decent battery life built in, and enough practical uses that don’t have easier or cheaper alternatives:
•AR can be done on your phone/tablet.
•VR is considered expensive and niece even at $500.
•People don’t want to do work task with a $3,500 headset that could be done by multiple monitors or a split screen that cost between $0-1,000 at most. •There’s likely to be a drought of software, which will require apple to make most things in house, and the lack of software will further deter new customers and thus discourage app development.
With Apple Watch and Air Pods, the innovation seemed to actually solve a problem or augment daily life. No more chord management with AirPods, and due to the lack of a headphone Jack people don’t have a choice anymore if they wanna charge their phone and listen to stuff. Apple Watch was basically a more convenient, if reduced function version of your phone you could always have on you while not looking silly. This doesn’t have that problem it solves or feeling that it augments what you already have.
What is this product’s identity when you strip out the things that are done better or more practically or far cheaper, what is left that’s worth that price? You have a creepy looking semitransparent pair of goggles, a slick and admittedly smaller battery pack, and the most cameras and sensors on a headset ever…that’s it. A pair of clunky goggles that are more inconvenient than your phone, tablet, or computer to use. More expensive than a phone, tablet, or laptop. Less entertaining than pure VR machines while also being more expensive. And a device that will require entirely different development design so it’s unlikely that it’ll attract and maintain 3rd party support. It’s a bad pitch.
Just checked apple stock price
If you zoom out to 6 month period that drop is as small as natural price fluctuations meanwhile stock price is going up
Also it dropped to the price 1 week ago which was probably hype before event
I usually despise Apple, but I gotta admit from a productivity angle... this could be brilliant. Access to 4 screens of any required size when working from any location... What this thing could do for work if only it was more affordable.
That argument about a headset having an effect on attractiveness is the worst I've ever seen, absolutely nobody is keeping these on 24/7. And absolutely 0 people care about if the look beautiful using an item at most like 2 hours and basically always in private.
Don't know if this product will be a flop. But the moment you realize that Apple presented non unique use cases and essentially left the burden of finding new ones to the developers community, it's clear this cannot have the same impact as the iPhone or even the iPad.
It cost 3,500 plus tax! It will definitely flop at that price point unless Apple offer monthly payment plans. Not many people will be able to fork over the whole 3.5K all at once. I could see Apple losing more money over this thing than making a big profit.
Loved this episode!
at some point all of apples "new products/updates/iphones/services" started to blend together
As an avid VRChat user, the idea of Apple entering the space has many up and downsides. It could help push more people in to trying xR technology, but without a strong focus on the technology as a new form of personal, creativity, expression and fun rather than entertainment consumption and very high end business use, it seems like they are missing the point of what this technology can do that's completely novel.
Battery life has to improve to work for at least 8 hrs. Before I put used cars' worth of money on it. 2 hrs will not do it.
Apple knows how the next 4 generations of the headset is. It's a first gen. (Very well produced)developer product not more.
Before the Apple iOS vs Google Android thing, there was also the apple MacOS vs Microsoft Windows thing. That happened pretty similar.
If Apple cannot make VR headsets mainstreams, I doubt anyone else will.
There no way it will go mainstream with a 3,500 price tag!
Wow you’re not usually this wrong, the killer features is pretty clear: multiple high resolution screens of pretty any virtual size in your pocket (or head), incredible 3D cinema, mind boggling resolution. I could go on. As for other headsets, it’s like comparing cardboard flying saucers movies to 2001 Space Odyssey. If they manage to release a slightly less tech heavy non pro version for half the price in a generation or two it will be a killer product.
Those features seem to just boil down to "it has high resolution" - which, while probably true, isn't enough for most people to part with over 3k
VR is the Hyperloop of entertainment! ☝️😌
I honestly baffled why would anyone care about the looks of a VR headset.
It's not like you're gonna look at yourself wearing it and you certainly don't use these outdoors.
Well, not that I'll ever bought VR anyway since it's nothing but a gimmick for a foreseeable future.
Yeah… $3,500 and always plugged in, no thanks 😂
Tbh, I am working on my own iOS app and am seriously considering if I should make a visionOS version because it would really open new possibilities.
I just don’t know if it would be too much work and too difficult.
Probably need help from Apple tbh, since it isn’t an accessible device yet
@@jtgd I think so too… I feel like a child seeing the toy of its dreams behind extra protective glass. Drives me crazy.
Who cares about external display in the Vision?
You don't even notice it while using. This only make it more expensive.
I mean it also went up 2% leading up to the event and fell 2% after which tells you everything you need to know - it’s options and day traders. 2 days later it was already back up.
Day traders are just mindless gamblers that long term investors get rich from. Apples stock price isn’t really doing anything. Will this product sell probably because it’s got my intention I’m not keen on wearing a diver’s mask around the house but it has functionality that I would definitely use. I like big screen TV’s but don’t want one in my house this fixes that although if you have friends round it’s gonna be expensive.
Man this is a super expensive Quest 2 ... Nothing really new in this product 🤔
Don't even have the Quest 2 controllers that is super precise. Believe me with time you'll not want to use your hands and arms to do everything in the system.
For the first 30 min you fell like Minority Report, but after that you are selecting thing with the controller.
I am wondering: Are those AR/VR glasses a strain on the eyes? How long are you supposed to wear them non-stop? How easy or difficult is it to put them on and off over and over again without breaking them?
I understand how most cannot understand what Apple is doing. I do not give the same leeway to “tech” news providers. This is not a meta competitor by any means. You need to look more at Varjo and their XR3 as a competitive product and keep more attention to the cross-industry potential .
Few points
1. It's a first gen product, it is likely NOT aimed at consumers......yet
2. The hololens is also $3500, yet no video host mentioning the price seem to remember that
This is, a good news for the corn watchers 😂😂😂😂
this could be great for at home use for work or entertainment depending on how well developers utilize it but that price will need to come way down for mass adoption. I think this is the reason microsoft havent marketed the hololens to the average person yet the tech is just too expensive right now.
Tim Cook made so much money until he forgot the value of the dollar.
Listen. I am excited for the day I can get my hands on an affordable AR headset. But as long as those look like this one and not even remotely business casual..? No thanks.
If I could choose, I'd probably go for something looking like the AR headsets used in one of the sword art online movies. That's fiction, true. But until this gear gets down to this size and chic, it's not even worth a second glance for me.
have a shot every time the guy says "conshumers"
I wouldn’t buy it due to the price, especially because it’s the first generation and will likely need to be improved after feedback.
This is a high-end product for people with enough money to throw away into a beta project not yet fully actualized with hardware and software. To deter casual consumers who aren’t so tech savvy from getting it and being disappointed in this early-gen product, Apple gave it a high price. You might ask why they’re even releasing it, it’s because Apple still needs to attract developers to the space in order to have apps and find use cases and make improvements to the software stack before they get people who would just never buy it again if the experience was poor. They want to keep sentiment about AR/MR high within the consumer’s mind
The stock dip happens after almost every presentation they do. The market gets too hyped up.
And they key thing between Apple and Meta is Apple brings more than enough revenue to subsidize this until it is a truly compelling product. It is very clear this product is intended to become true AR glasses, but the tech to really do it is years away.
You can call the stock price a classic buy the hype sell the news
It just seems like a novelty item to me at this point. It can do some semi interesting things as shown in the demo but doesn’t get me excited. The first and biggest barrier for my personal adoption is the sheer bulk of the current product. I’m not willing to strap a device of that size to my face for any extended period of time. I wear glasses for reading sometimes and I get tired of having them on my face, let alone something as large as the Vision Pro. Once again, this is just particular to me.
I love VR and AR...but until someone comes up with a feature that would make someone want to use it on the daily you won't see it cross that threshold where it becomes common.
Check out the price of the Varjo XR3 - the current leader and most advanced XR system up till a few days ago. Varjo created a gaming focused headset - for US$2k which requires external basestations, comes with cheap earbuds and has no controllers.
Apple's business is not depending on ads, which makes people trust them more. Also less scandals. But whichever way you are putting it, trusting any company with so much data on everything you do, literally every move you make, is not a smart thing to do.
You’re a bit late to be worrying about that. If you’re online they know pretty much everything about you. Sharing only with one large company is easier to deal with if things go wrong then dealing with millions of smaller companies that maybe gone tomorrow along with your data.
If you don’t want the risk go off grid.
@@sid35gb a lot of small companies that have to compete or over big one that does not.... I'll choose a lot of small ones. If you like convenience more than the fact you are in a walled garden, that's fine. Don't come complaining, when you want out and you can't without a high price
I think apple realized that a truly practical and moderately cheap headset was at least 2-3 generations away and just needed to get their foot in the door and rake in some money to fund the project
Wearing some future tech glasses like Data is one thing, but this is bolting an aquarium in front of your face.
btw it has a battery life of 1 to 2 hours, its useless for productivity and legitimately worse to watch movie than a tv since you have to watch it by yourself
pretty sure you can hook it up to a power outlet.
All this was said back in 2007 with the iPhone... "Who'd want a phone without a keyboard", "Who'd want a phone without apps", "Who'd want a phone thats $400 with a contract"... It'll be a success and anyone who says it wont be is just trying to be a hipster.
Apple nearly single handedly made the wireless headphone market what it is, same with the smart watch, tablet etc etc etc.
I still don't get why simulating all that 3D shit is better than using a screen
Next (re)idea: colorful translucent iPhones!
It looks sleek imo, for a VR headset atleast, but until VR can fit into the size of eye glasses (am thinking like Oakley's Icebreakers), these heavy head gears is still too big & cumbersome for general daily use.
This video has already aged like milk. New all time high today.
@7:26 much respect for that disclaimer, but do you use a smart Watch or Bluetooth headphones? My main phone is iOS (I also use android daily) and I do have an Apple Watch, nothing about the AirPods line is worth it to me
Jack is a 'Droid user! I like him even more.😉
While they use similar technology I have to say Apple does this their own way. I don’t necessarily think Apple is trying to compete directly with Meta here. Meta could seriously benefit from this and hopefully also took a few notes on how to do a presentation. The quest 3 was poorly announced
Idk if it was the quests announcement as much as people generally just don’t give af about expensive VR equipment
They might just cannibalize and fragment an already niche market
3:32 I still think Google Glass is the future formfactor. It would just need a few design tweaks.
This whole thing reminds of Kendall’s “living plus” pitch in succession
I watched the 9 minute ad earlier. None of the actors wore glasses. No mention of whether it would work with glasses, or maybe adjust for your prescription. As someone who can barely see without my glasses, that’s an issue. Not that I would spend that much on something like that anyway, but if you think about it, the kinds of people who would consider buying it immediately are probably more likely to wear glasses than not. So it’s probably a very important little detail that they’ve missed.
6:34
Who is in 3rd, 4th amd 5th?
Couldn't find your sources.
I think most people are missing the "Pro" part. This is not designed for the mass market. They are looking for creators, businesses, medical and engineering to consider this. Apple, after all, has Pro laptops ranging up to $6,500. These are also not for the mass market. Could it fail? Sure, but I would give it a year before taking a position.
You wouldn't find me dead with an Apple product.. except maybe their VR headset.
Someone at Apple watched Brainstorm from 1983 with Christopher Walken
"In just the last 5 years, Apple's stock has gone up by ~290. And, it's the crown jewel of Warren Buffet's illustrious portfolio!
But, in a weird twist, during the HYPE of an Apple Launch event, Apple stocks take a hit and have historically fallen down from their usual highs."
In other words, this always tends to. happen for some reason.
When Samsung released their first Note phone people (including Apple themselves) were saying that it's impossible for a phone bigger than 6" to be widely used by everyone. Now you can't find a phone less than 6".
Also first iPhone to actually be adopted was 3GS. So this one would just start a franchise.
I'm also an Android user by the way. So no Apple fan here.
I can see augmented reality being the breakthrough advancement, but full immersion VR will always be the sole purview of teckies
It's funny you mention blackberry
These companies think they are trying to be the Google and apple of the phone market but really it's who will be Nokia or Motorola
The tech is too young 😅
It's not meant for the average consumer though. It's a great start imo and Apple will build on it. I expect in a few years we'll get something much more appealing for a wider audience
The surprising thing is that I don't even know there are 6 companies that make VR/AR headsets, and somehow Meta still managed 6th!
The release date being in 2024 is a let down, I'm ready to purchase it now.
When I think of what it will cost producers to adapt movies & TV shows to 3D... I'd rather they spend money on the writing.
Apple should have done sth close to normal glasses since they already using external device for battery they could have put the other hardware except cameras and sensors inside it so it could be more cool device than this
to me it seems the ultimate goal of this tech is like AR & VR mixed that people can stay in all day if they want, essentially a metaverse where u are connected with everyone else who also use this. personally I'm not sure it will ever take off as much as smart phones. i own a smart phone but don't use it a lot. i don't use social media on it. only texting, maps, and some retro games. i just think its unrealistic to think this tech is the new smart phone. especially if the cost will always be this high. but probably u are right, that it will help the overall VR headset market go more mainstream. some people staying in it all day with this type of device, and some using only occasionally
As a iPhone Fan, I hate Apple Vision Pro! TOO EXPENSIVE!
Unfortunately share price has no relation to performance companies exist that have never made a profit
Until they find a way to make a headset that doesn't give me motion sickness, it's a hard no from me. I can't play the oculus for more than 30 minutes at a time without feeling incredibly ill and getting eye strain.
I don't think the appearance of the VR/AR headset is something that can affect the success of the device. I think this is a very bad argument. The appearance of the Google Glass was a huge factor for its flop, but the google glass was designed to be something you wear to go out of this house on the daily basis, so I needed to have some kind of fashion appeal. The Apple vision Pro is clearly not designed to used outside of home, work or a specific environment. Its external battery only lasts 2 hours and they say you can use the headset all day when it's plugged in. That means Apple expect people to use the device plugged in most of the time. So, it doesn't matter if you are "less attractive" when you are using it if you are not supposed to be using it in social events or when you are going out.
It’s too soon to tell if it will be.a hit. I personally need reviews from people with middle aged eyes, I worry about the strain since screens have already done a number on me.
Buy the rumors, sell the news. What's new?
The issues with it as pitched it does the same thing as a Meta Quest 2 does on a crome book level... It has potantional to be a true Mixed realitly headest a Microsoft Hololens and Meta quest in one but better but that is a long way off... I'm disappointed in the fact they took the PSVR route of it only works in Apple land when they could have made a simple AR monocle like what the Apache helicopter has but work of any device and have different features based on the ddevice your using it with. In short they let scope creep win when they needed to do something completely differnt.
All this means is discount stocks for me LOL
8:17 Fighter pilots are already doing and have so for dacades and the US army is close to doing it to... Which when I was going and at a doctor's appointment I did a thought experiment if I could use this headest for stuff like that... And other then it being bulky I could... But why would I for $3k when my $350 V-moda gold and black over ears headphones which do look good and my S22 ulta I got for $600 do the same thing but "better" and more discrite?