Nice of you to post almost any head for everyone to see. Also nice to see the viewers care about what you post and you in general. Keep up the good content. Thanks
Thank you to and your customer for allowing this video been waiting awhile for a professional opinion. I purchased mine a little over a year now. What I was disappointed about was AFR claimed a 59cc chamber and recently changed its claim to a 64cc I probably would if looked at other options if I had that info back than.
I bought mine over a year ago and it has the 59cc chamber per my machinist (and we will be milling them down to 54cc). The casting changed in 2022 to 64cc for some reason, confirmed by AFR tech I spoke with earlier this year when I noticed the change but before we had measured the cc on mine. My guess is to attract budget turbo builds but that is just my wag.
I have my opinion about it but to prove it I would have to pull a head and test it and I don’t have the time and money to do this. I don’t blame AFR because they are trying to sale affordable heads to the customers who need to budget out there builds and part of this deal is AFR not performing any machine work or tests on the head to maximize the affordability. Eric W, has already said what AFR has in these and really all the craftsmanship goes to the folks overseas. Oh well I’m grateful anyway I got mine while 150 bucks cheaper than they are now and now some professional advice is out there showing there not bad and can make for some good street performance for us ford guys.
And chance I get to see more ford heads I'm here for it! Besides buying my next set of heads from you, idk howni can support you more. Thank for all the knowledge, keep it coming
I can attest to AFR having issues with some of their BBC heads. I waited 11 months for my 265's. Also, they explained what you did about the foundry issues they are having. They also mentioned that they are working on a BBC enforcer with 290cc intakes and 110cc chamber's. I'm pretty excited about that. Edelbrock said they are having foundry issues also. I dont think they use the same one, but it is a little peculiar that they both are having issues. Thanks for the video. I think I might forgo the promaxx heads and get some of these for my 302.
Loved this, thank you! I'd like to send down one of my Trick Flow 205 11R Competition Port 56cc heads... We'll take all the SBF content you can throw at us. 😁
Hopefully your customer will have you do a little "touch up" with a valve job and a bowl blend. If your customer does, will you do another video to show the improvements? Thanks!
Awesome, glad you did this set of heads. Put a stock set of them on my windsor with very minimal clean up to port match to a rpm air gap and hooker headers.
@@davidcallahan5157 it will be installed and fired next week, I'm on vacation from Dec 22 to Jan 2 so it will be go time. If our local dyno is fixed before it goes in we will get a pull in before install
@@davidcallahan5157 well it's in the truck, runs great and flows good enough for the cam and sniper stealth to do what it needs. Sadly never got to put it on the dyno before install. Overall I'd say they are a good budget street driver head, I've put 1k miles on them now and zero issues 393 stroker D.S.S 13cc tw dish pistons Comp 35-518-8 cam RPM Air Gap Comp push rods, rockers and lifters MLS. 0.45 head gaskets 10.0-1 comp
Thanks for the video. I understand these companies are trying serve a price point in the market. Hence they source an imported casting for cost or availability reasons. But, intellectual property means nothing anymore?
I have a set of AFR220 Renegades on my 427 Windsor build and I remember the numbers being advertised as .500 deck thickness. Also have a set of Enforcer 185s and I'm thinking deck is .385 or so thick.
Sad to hear that most the Ford head's are Chinese, that's the only car company in Australia, thanks for the video, all the best to you and your loved ones
I'll have to look back at your older videos, but have you flowed the LS version of the enforcers? The numbers they have on their site didn't impress me.
@@WeingartnerRacing Thank you for the reply. I'll keep watching to see if you get your hands on a set. A friend of mine put them on his engine, big cam supposedly matched to the heads, etc. The power numbers were lackluster at best. I feel like he could have made similar power for less money with a factory unported casting.
Allegedly lol that chamber is an old dart pro1, had the 11/32 versions before are even started selling them. Decent head for true budget stuff or a DIY guy.
Thank you for the video! I was about to buy these when you did your sale but ended up going with the Promaxx 185. Is it a similar casting? The smaller chamber is what made my decision.
I'm going to buy a set of enforcers for a 410 stroker I'm going to leave them stock because it's just a tow motor not for racing. .532 lift will be good enough
A lot of People think Chinese factory's are dirt floor 3rd world dumps but they have some really high tech facilities factorys and build houses over there, it's just in China and their employees are really hard working and diligent. It's not wether it's made in China it's what a company is having made and their tolerances, China can meet whatever is called out. It just boils down to the whole patriotic aspect that's something the consumer has to decide on.
@weingartnerRacing What do you think about these heads on a 10.5c/r 289 with a 225/235 @50 545/545 lift 112 lsa hyd roller cam? Thanks for the video just trying to find out more info for a smaller engine.
Looking at the flow numbers alone, it looks like the Enforcer falls between a nicely ported iron GT40 and AFR 165's. I bought a pair because I wanted to save 40# off the front axle of my Merkur XR4ti. On my build, GT40's would have worked fine but by the time I did a little porting, replaced the springs and got a valve job on a set, I'd have $600-$800 in them. I have $1200 in the Enforcers with 59cc (confirmed) chambers. Should be good for a little bump in compression as well. They are a perfect solution to what I'm trying to achieve with this build.
@@WeingartnerRacing Dang. That is great news. Back in the 80's the only solution for the poor cylinder head situation for small block Ford's was to bolt on a set of Cleveland heads. That required a special intake manifold and was ultimately very expensive. Now, we have some cheap, bolt on heads that do the same thing and use the stock head gasket and headers. Lol. We've come a long way!
@WeingartnerRacing well, you got a good set of closed chamber Cleveland heads, block, crank assembly? Then, what are you putting it in? The intake side of a closed chamber 4bbl Cleveland flow is almost exactly the same as a Victor jr! If you already have a usable Cleveland, and you're not gonna shoot 400 on it, I'd use it! The 2 bolt blocks actually hold up better than the 4 bolt blocks, drilling that extra bolt hole weakened the web! If you're looking for cheap 500hp and have one, just go with it! I have a complete short block and a set of old aluminum heads here somewhere, probably in the old 64 galaxy wagon. But, I have a lot of Windsor stuff, aluminum heads, ported 289 heads 030 forged piston already on the rods! But, I'm a 63 year old man with a bad back and dying wife. Later, I'll get a neckdown to help! Going in a 79 Fairmont wagon, 4 cylinder, 4 speed, manual breaks! Probably just go with a 393w!
LS AFR 210 cc Enforcer head is an offshore head. I have flowed one on a SuperFlow 600 and they’re not very impressive ( about 285 max) but better than GM 799/243. The Enforcer head has much room for improvement and can make good flow (over300 cfm) with minimal work. They tend to stall because the port entry is too narrow.
One thing I will say is that these numbers correlate precisely with what AFR claims. Nice to see a company with honesty in their flow numbers.
A great point to anyone interested in these heads. If your gonna install on a stock block, you WILL need different pistons with larger valve reliefs!
Or cut valve reliefs like I've seen some guys do?
@@kevdaceoI would just buy better pistons honestly.
And if it's a 3.000 stroke Windsor get domed pistons to get 10.5:1 compression
Nice of you to post almost any head for everyone to see. Also nice to see the viewers care about what you post and you in general. Keep up the good content. Thanks
Thank you to and your customer for allowing this video been waiting awhile for a professional opinion. I purchased mine a little over a year now. What I was disappointed about was AFR claimed a 59cc chamber and recently changed its claim to a 64cc I probably would if looked at other options if I had that info back than.
I bought mine over a year ago and it has the 59cc chamber per my machinist (and we will be milling them down to 54cc). The casting changed in 2022 to 64cc for some reason, confirmed by AFR tech I spoke with earlier this year when I noticed the change but before we had measured the cc on mine. My guess is to attract budget turbo builds but that is just my wag.
I have my opinion about it but to prove it I would have to pull a head and test it and I don’t have the time and money to do this. I don’t blame AFR because they are trying to sale affordable heads to the customers who need to budget out there builds and part of this deal is AFR not performing any machine work or tests on the head to maximize the affordability. Eric W, has already said what AFR has in these and really all the craftsmanship goes to the folks overseas. Oh well I’m grateful anyway I got mine while 150 bucks cheaper than they are now and now some professional advice is out there showing there not bad and can make for some good street performance for us ford guys.
@@timweb1510 My motor is still being assembled, ask me again in 6 months lol. But it all depends on $$. If I had $$$, I would have gone 11r.
@@aurdraco My guess is that 59cc is too small for a 351w/408w. And Ford claims "60cc-64cc" on the heads that come stock on Explorers.
@@robeddy3722 Mine is going on a 302 bored 40 over and we milled it down to 56cc to get the compression up, should be just over 10:1 now.
And chance I get to see more ford heads I'm here for it! Besides buying my next set of heads from you, idk howni can support you more. Thank for all the knowledge, keep it coming
I can attest to AFR having issues with some of their BBC heads. I waited 11 months for my 265's. Also, they explained what you did about the foundry issues they are having.
They also mentioned that they are working on a BBC enforcer with 290cc intakes and 110cc chamber's. I'm pretty excited about that.
Edelbrock said they are having foundry issues also. I dont think they use the same one, but it is a little peculiar that they both are having issues.
Thanks for the video. I think I might forgo the promaxx heads and get some of these for my 302.
Yes very long wait.
Loved this, thank you!
I'd like to send down one of my Trick Flow 205 11R Competition Port 56cc heads...
We'll take all the SBF content you can throw at us. 😁
Hopefully your customer will have you do a little "touch up" with a valve job and a bowl blend. If your customer does, will you do another video to show the improvements? Thanks!
been loving the sbf lately.. rods and pistons for half the price of LS gear sign me up.
What brand is the AFR copy ? How much does it cost? I really want to see that vid. May soon i hope?!?!😁🙏🏼🙏🏼
I always wanted a set of AFR 165's for my 92 LX back in the day but could not afford them.
Awesome, glad you did this set of heads. Put a stock set of them on my windsor with very minimal clean up to port match to a rpm air gap and hooker headers.
Eric how’s it run are you happy with it?
@@davidcallahan5157 it will be installed and fired next week, I'm on vacation from Dec 22 to Jan 2 so it will be go time.
If our local dyno is fixed before it goes in we will get a pull in before install
@@davidcallahan5157 well it's in the truck, runs great and flows good enough for the cam and sniper stealth to do what it needs. Sadly never got to put it on the dyno before install. Overall I'd say they are a good budget street driver head, I've put 1k miles on them now and zero issues
393 stroker
D.S.S 13cc tw dish pistons
Comp 35-518-8 cam
RPM Air Gap
Comp push rods, rockers and lifters
MLS. 0.45 head gaskets
10.0-1 comp
Great video, thanks for posting
Yay sbf enforcer! Thank You!
Did you ever port these and make a video?
Thanks for the video. I understand these companies are trying serve a price point in the market. Hence they source an imported casting for cost or availability reasons. But, intellectual property means nothing anymore?
Interesting information thank you for the video!!
No problem
Thanks Superman!
Thank your for the info Eric!!!
You bet!
Are the decks thinner than the renegade offerings? Do you think that makes a weaker head in terms of sealing ability and distortion ?
I have a set of AFR220 Renegades on my 427 Windsor build and I remember the numbers being advertised as .500 deck thickness. Also have a set of Enforcer 185s and I'm thinking deck is .385 or so thick.
@@JG-kv4oiAFR 3/4” deck
enforcer castings are Iike .320-.380 from what I have measured
@@Bacongrease00 3/4" ! Woohoo!
Sad to hear that most the Ford head's are Chinese, that's the only car company in Australia, thanks for the video, all the best to you and your loved ones
I'll have to look back at your older videos, but have you flowed the LS version of the enforcers? The numbers they have on their site didn't impress me.
I havent
@@WeingartnerRacing Thank you for the reply. I'll keep watching to see if you get your hands on a set. A friend of mine put them on his engine, big cam supposedly matched to the heads, etc. The power numbers were lackluster at best. I feel like he could have made similar power for less money with a factory unported casting.
More Ford content please.
GOOD CLEAN CASTING, LOOKS ACCURATE,GUIDES LOOK VERY CENTRAL IN CASTING..YOU WILL GET THEM BETTER WITH A SEAT JOB AND A LITTLE BOWL /CHAMBER WORK...
Allegedly lol that chamber is an old dart pro1, had the 11/32 versions before are even started selling them. Decent head for true budget stuff or a DIY guy.
I put these on my 357w made 861whp/775wtq on 15psi. I’m pretty happy with them so far
You made that with the enforcers or the CNC version?
@@slickwillyracing4020 enforcers
Any flow numbers on Sbf victor jr heads
Enforcer head vs trickflow 170 as cast head
Thank you for the video!
I was about to buy these when you did your sale but ended up going with the Promaxx 185. Is it a similar casting? The smaller chamber is what made my decision.
Do you mean the 180 9175 heads? I haven’t seen any 185 Promaxx heads only the 175, 180 and 210.
@@supersportimpalass project x
I'm going to buy a set of enforcers for a 410 stroker I'm going to leave them stock because it's just a tow motor not for racing. .532 lift will be good enough
So what was the knock off brand that copied the AFR head?
A lot of People think Chinese factory's are dirt floor 3rd world dumps but they have some really high tech facilities factorys and build houses over there, it's just in China and their employees are really hard working and diligent. It's not wether it's made in China it's what a company is having made and their tolerances, China can meet whatever is called out. It just boils down to the whole patriotic aspect that's something the consumer has to decide on.
how does the enforcer compare to a gt 40 p head from the wrecking yard?
@weingartnerRacing What do you think about these heads on a 10.5c/r 289 with a 225/235 @50 545/545 lift 112 lsa hyd roller cam? Thanks for the video just trying to find out more info for a smaller engine.
What is the cost of 165 afr 190 valves sent to nc 58 cc chambers
Have you had a chance to check out the new Ford 7.3 head?
No
Does anyone make a true 4V aluminum heads for a 351 Cleveland .
Closed chamber for the street(2v)!
Any Chevy knockoffs of AFRs CNC line?
Is there a Brodix equivalent?
Enforcer head vs ported Gt40p?
Enforcer its not even close.
OMG Thank you for asking this question as I was just about to put some money into some gt40p heads
Looking at the flow numbers alone, it looks like the Enforcer falls between a nicely ported iron GT40 and AFR 165's.
I bought a pair because I wanted to save 40# off the front axle of my Merkur XR4ti. On my build, GT40's would have worked fine but by the time I did a little porting, replaced the springs and got a valve job on a set, I'd have $600-$800 in them. I have $1200 in the Enforcers with 59cc (confirmed) chambers. Should be good for a little bump in compression as well. They are a perfect solution to what I'm trying to achieve with this build.
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How do ford 351 cleveland heads stack up?
They are about this stock.
@@WeingartnerRacing thanks
@@WeingartnerRacing Dang. That is great news. Back in the 80's the only solution for the poor cylinder head situation for small block Ford's was to bolt on a set of Cleveland heads. That required a special intake manifold and was ultimately very expensive. Now, we have some cheap, bolt on heads that do the same thing and use the stock head gasket and headers. Lol. We've come a long way!
Skipwhite sells them non afr branded, youtuber Blueovaldude ported a set to close to 300 cfm
Eric got well over 300
It's a great buy, but stock 351c heads flowed 274cfm! And they were made here! 😂😂😂
Cleveland vs Windsor.
@WeingartnerRacing well, you got a good set of closed chamber Cleveland heads, block, crank assembly? Then, what are you putting it in? The intake side of a closed chamber 4bbl Cleveland flow is almost exactly the same as a Victor jr! If you already have a usable Cleveland, and you're not gonna shoot 400 on it, I'd use it! The 2 bolt blocks actually hold up better than the 4 bolt blocks, drilling that extra bolt hole weakened the web! If you're looking for cheap 500hp and have one, just go with it! I have a complete short block and a set of old aluminum heads here somewhere, probably in the old 64 galaxy wagon. But, I have a lot of Windsor stuff, aluminum heads, ported 289 heads 030 forged piston already on the rods! But, I'm a 63 year old man with a bad back and dying wife. Later, I'll get a neckdown to help! Going in a 79 Fairmont wagon, 4 cylinder, 4 speed, manual breaks! Probably just go with a 393w!
atleast their advertised #s are accurate!
LS AFR 210 cc Enforcer head is an offshore head. I have flowed one on a SuperFlow 600 and they’re not very impressive ( about 285 max) but better than GM 799/243. The Enforcer head has much room for improvement and can make good flow (over300 cfm) with minimal work. They tend to stall because the port entry is too narrow.
Weak exhaust port stock it appears from the numbers