The psychological effect of this trauma is something I'd like to see explored because the realisation of your death and subsequent reconstruction from pulped meat in a breached and burnt N7 combat suit would be a shock, to say the least!
That would need an expert with too much speculation, maybe could be used cases with comma patients after they wake up more than a year later, if they exists.
Mass Effect 2 doesn't give a damn about that. They killed Shepherd because it would be shocking not to tell a interesting story with it. Everyone is just "I thought you were dead? Oh well" about it.
One fan fiction author referenced the intense fury many of Shepard’s companions felt upon realizing that the porthole in Shepard’s quarters, which allowed outer space to be visible, was triggering the Commander’s post-traumatic stress by giving the impression of floating in space. They were scandalized because they felt Cerberus should have foreseen the issue. I assume that due to compartmentalization of information, the designers and builders of the SR-2 were not cleared to know about the purpose of the ship and about the Lazarus cell -- or they foolishly assumed that Shepard would not remember suffocating. On the other hand, the triggering stimulus might be greatly reduced by simply welding the armored panel of the porthole shut, as EDI makes a specific reference to that armored panel in the game. Additionally, if the story were more realistic, the "porthole" would only be an augmented reality projection, and therefore it could easily be turned off or programmed to show something else.
I mean - Lore Core always did that. It's just that for unknown reasons he didn't continue it. And/or there was smaller viewership, because it was a separate channel.
With the unparalleled thoroughness you apply to Halo, I'm in favor of you covering anything in depth. Halo, Crysis, Mass Effect, Stargate, Star Trek/Wars, etc. It's impossible to not appreciate the dedication and thoughtfulness you put into every one of your videos.
I would point out in Andromeda there are several key element that link back to Project lazarus. Suvi's team were recruited by Cerberus. Suvi understands genetics pretty well, and this means whatever they had a breakthrough on Cerberus Wanted them. One of the Cerberus Overlord team son had a implant that allowed him to move despite being incapable of fully walking. We see Shepard have a spine implant which would make sense on how Shepard is able to walk/run again. In Mass Effect Andromeda: Initiation. There was a cloning project working on creating a super soldier to fight other stronger organics like the krogans. They are clones, but have similar characteristics of Shepard's cybernetics. If we assume that Cerberus held a research facility under quite eddy in order to test how to bring Shepard back. Say what you will about Andromeda Lore yet they did give some hints at how Shepard was brought back.
I also seem to remember Cerberus creating an entire clone of Shepard to be used for spare parts. So the whole cloning of organs at least is 100% confirmed. And also I believe the tech for memories (with emotions attached) is something that also exists in ME universe. And if that is the case then recreating the "original" Shepard is very possible.
They did indeed. The clone however wasnt used, the Illusive Man wanted Shepard, not a clone with his memories pasted in. And given the Clone’s personality, essentially that of a sociopathic child craving attention, its likely that simply putting the memories in isnt enough to recreate the personality
@@Mobysimo True. Could not agree more. However I believe that having someone like Liara or Miranda in charge of said clone while is absorbs all it needs to "become" the real deal would produce the desired results.
It's smazing how overlooked this part of Mass Effect lore is, even in-game when you ask about it's just brushed off completely, whereupon Shepard or anyone would have a TON of questions! Writers knew it was gonna be a problem trying to explain it but to just ignore it completely is a d*ck move. Thanls for covering this video!
i really like mass effect lore, especially first contact turian war stuff. please do more mass effect videos! I remember the first time playing the mass effect 2 opening i got goosebumps when walking through the normandy's map room with the blown apart hull with open space visible through it.
This is a video I always wanted to see, Congratulations on the work. I believe the only thing that was missing from Project Lazarus, Was some side consequence, Like oblivion, Because in real life even though we don't have the means to Resurrect people, It's not like there weren't consequences, Shepard was lucky, But there could be a Miss of memory, In surgeries to remove Brain Tumors, some procedures are done with people conscious, And if the person loses some memory they won't realize, Because it's as if there never was Memory, That's why I think Kaidan or Ashley's reaction is the most authentic in the Trilogy, People get angry but they can't measure the impact of Resurrecting someone, Because you can end up bringing back something that is no longer the person you remember, Neurons die from lack of oxygen, We saw something similar in Androme , But this is another matter.
When you think about it; Project Lazarus is perhaps one of the Crowning Technological Achievements of the Mass Effect universe outside of Reaper Tech. They literally brought a Dead Shepherd back to life...
I grew up on Halo and adore your Halo videos, but I love Mass Effect just as much, hearing your voice and format in covering Shepard's death in Mass Effect 2 which is my favorite part of the games gives me chills! Thank you, please do more Mass Effect! ❤❤❤
There is a fanfic, Of Sheep and Battle Chicken (highly recommended), that had a different approach. In essence, they took what parts of Shepard were salvagable and built a cyborg with a 98% conversion. Her mind was preserved (somehow), but almost her entire body, save for parts of the brain and the odd organ, was synthetic. She was still Shepard in every respect, but her resurrection was much more extreme and traumatic.
According to the laws of physics, it seems implausible that Shepard's remains, if only clad in a military space suit, could have remained intact after passing through Alchera's atmosphere. Alchera has a surface gravity of 0.85 g and a diameter of 18,458 km, so the forces acting on the cadaver would be very significant. There is a significant incongruity, since multiple canonical sources state that Shepard's partial remains were found on the surface of Alchera, with a large portion of the cadaver somehow surviving atmospheric re-entry. I tried to to determine a plausible external factor that might be added to explain how Shepard’s body was recovered in a partially intact state. Since it is evident that Shepard did not reach a well-constructed spacecraft before dying, the number of reasonable explanations quickly diminishes. I propose that Shepard might have had access to an emergency kit attached to his or her spacesuit, similar to the "Personal Reentry Kit" found in Marc Miller's Traveller® universe. Official information from a previous version of Traveller® previously stated that a Personal Reentry Kit has a mass of 14.5 kilograms and a volume of 20 liters. However, the most recent set of rules indicates that the PRK weighs 50 kilograms, with no mention of its volume. A re-entry kit consists of very limited cold-gas thrusters, an altimeter, a parawing, and an ablative heat shield. The latter is deployed in the form of a frame, which must then be covered with foam from a spray can. The foam hardens in seconds. If the user applies it correctly, it is said to become barely possible to achieve a controlled re-entry to many worlds that have at least a thin atmosphere, protected from heat by the shield and ultimately descending by parawing. In my modified scenario, Commander Shepard must have successfully gotten into the Personal Reentry Kit’s inflatable cloth-like enclosure, and deployed the ablative foam around the enclosure, and then programmed the deorbiting and braking thrusters properly. However, I assume that Shepard suffocated before reaching the planet's surface. If successful in reaching the surface, Shepard must have had the distress transmitter smashed, afterward dying of exposure and insufficient supplies. The cadaver would have frozen due to the surface temperature of -22°C, assuming it had not already frozen at an earlier point during atmospheric descent.
I always assumed Sheppard 2.0 was simply a clone, especially the mind. The soul was gone, so anything resurrected would have to be a clone. Once something is dead, it's dead. While I can stretch reality to believe his body was rebuilt, they could never remake his mind, memories, experiences. None of that could ever come back. Still.......M.E. remains one of the best games of all time!
The hardest part would be the brain. With the cloning and cybernetic tech of the time, the body would be relatively simple. But I have no idea where to even start reconstructing a dead brain to the extent of restoring the prior memories and personality.
BROOOOO!!!! I'm beyond stoked to see you do a Mass Effect Video! I love your Halo Lore and also thought you'd do superbly well with this series. Id love to hear a retrospective video on the series as a whole if you ever do a longer video for Mass Effect!
I want you to look deeper. Personally I always thought that Cerberus had access to all his medical records in Systems Alliance (almost certain) and from other places (likely and if Cerberus and Shadow Broker worked together also almost certain), including Spectre. Spectre bit is less likely, but far from impossible. Not to mention they could have had brain scanners in many places observing Shepard. So if you include high-resolution MRI's, CT's and other imaging techniques that could have been placed on board of original Normandy, then you might have complete and near perfect image of the brain. If scientist studied with cloned brains and how to transfer memory to them and how memory works, then they could have used specialized AI to perhaps stimulate the growth of "filled in" parts of the brain along the pathways that would lead to preserving memory. Also it is clear that his memory was decent, but his muscular memory was more affected. So different part of the brain had different scale of damage. Again, AI might be able using machine learning or some more advanced technique from 160 years from the future to "guess" where such pathways should lead to create such memory. And obviously Amnesia was that you could level up again, but in universe, this is one of the ideas that I had. Honestly if you manage the brain and the memories, then 2 of your biggest hurdles are past you. Rest could arguably be done today if one had 4 billion dollars to make a lab and gt the best people in the field. I think that creating a clean slate brain, with trial and error could still be viable. The problem is if you want to make a brain with developed ideas, memories etc. And they are not random. That is one part that I don't think we currently have the technology to make.
If you remember after he interacted with the beacon in Me1, sheperd woke up in the med bay and if i remember ringt they talk about medical treatment and that could be your scans of the brain
@@JimmyThree-Balls Yeah. The definitely did and that probably wasn't the last time. We're talking about an asset that is immeasurable to both Humanity and Citadel Council. Of course he could refuse and as Spectre only Council could order him (I usually played the male version), but he doesn't strike me as a person who would refuse medical checkups. Also we don't know if there aren't any more covert methods. As well as how much did brain imaging and understanding of the brain evolved in 160 years.
It likely wouldn't be an AI but instead a VI due to not needing a full AI for it. Remember, in Mass Effect AI means full consciousness and VI is equal to modern AI.
@@irystocrattakodachithatmooms True. Though it would depend on the need. Cerberus doesn't care about ethics of making full fledged AI. But if VI would be enough, then yes.
I imagine that memory aspects could at least have contextually been implanted via the use of VI/AI means taken from the information. That information would then need proper recontextualization which depending on the memories that remain could have (the term being very relative here) easily remade connections from implanted information from "Deep storage" long term memory. As for clone Shepard, I can only assume that The Illusive Man had a potential brain scan done post recovery, or had one obtained by the Shadow Broker which could constitute much of the neural pathing for a clone of Shepard's brain for both the memory pathways and to have some degree if their personality while being able to otherwise train them on how to act like Shepard with minor deviations. Highly speculative as I don't know how as cloning of neural pathways could preserve memories, let alone the nature of the personality. As identical twins that have been known (This is far from common I'm aware) to have almost identical brain structure and were treated far little in difference from each other, have had extremely similar personalities and could fool parents and even close friends/partners that they are their twin with a little acting so long as specific memories that couldn't be glossed over were required in situation.
I have to say, I know Halo is your love, but Mass Effect is mine. I love it when you nerd out on the science behind things like that. As another one of my favorite content creators says, "you got snacks?" (Shout out dashiegames), Yes I do. Give me all the long form Mass Effect content. I am ready. I would love to see the lore behing the Mass relays or mass effect fields as it applies to not only ships but to guns and armor as well. Keep up the good work. I've been a subscriber for years so you have a fan for all your content.
The fact that they were able to recover anything from Shepherds body after burning up in the atmosphere always made me laugh. Great to see you doing Mass Effect, while my experience with the games ended after ME2, it’s still a rich lore universe that is right up your alley. 🤙
In the Mass Effect universe they can clone new limbs at major hospitals. It is a throw away line while you are in one while visiting a patient there. The conversation was the use of an artificial limb til they got a new one.
Please keep going into Mass Effect lore. If you ever need assistance with anything Mass Effect, I definitely recommend contacting Big Dan Gaming. He is in my opinion one of the most knowledgeable people on Mass Effect. Keep up the great work!
In kasumis loyalty mission we have to retrieve somthing called a grey box witch is basically a hard drive for his Brian that saved all his memories from the point of it’s installation to his death
Shepard, Commander a man long given up for dead… Illusive man : We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster…
Huh, I always assumed Cerberus picked up his body in orbit. Figured the Normandy was in orbit and he kept that momentum when he was thrown from the ship. Should have had some time before he fell.
If I could make any additions to Mass Effect 2 or 3, I'd make a character who's unique power was vital in resuscitating Shepard. He'd have biotic like powers that can make a small field that reverses the time state of an object. He can only make the reversal field about the size of a brain, but that's all that was needed. You see, when Shepard died of a space suit failure, their brains would've been vacuum boiled beyond there being anything left to save... Unless some dark energy field time shenanigans could reverse the time state of at least the brain.
As far as the brain/mind reconstruction goes, it was said that Liara helped them get the body, meaning that they already did cooperate in the matter. As this universe has biotics (aka space magic), and she did merge with his mind in the past, it might been a possible part of the process that she was mind merging at least once with his reconstructed brain during its reconstruction with reversed data flow... Like you forget how you are but someone who knows everything about your way of being reminds you of how it is to be you. In the end... Honestly I wasn't a fan of killing the character just to recreate it, but from a gameplay perspective I understood that they made it this way just to give you the option to make a new one.
Now it's been a awhile, but didn't "N7" soldiers also receive a bit of augmentation during their training? If so that might also have been a small helping factor preservation of Shepards body.
If you consider the dlc cannon they likely harvested organs from cloning cuz shepherds clone states that he was created by the elusive man in case the commander needed a transplant
How much of the original brain "survived" potential minutes of vacuum boiling and orbital impact is what I'm most concerned about. I think the game theorist concluded it'd be nothing but mashed potatoes with no original part of Shepard left at all. Like, you're playing ME2 on a miraculously closely cloned brain while actual Shepard is literally fully dead.
Hey installation 00 no this isn't the place to post it but I figured you're most likely to see it here since this video is not that old I think an interesting topic you could cover would be what would a Mjolnir Mark 8 be capable of if it existed in the Halo universe
I'm curious, if they had advanced organ cloning tech, theoretically if they also had a very detailed scan of his brain pre-death, would it be possible to recreate the pathways that were part of the dead tissue?
How much help would kinetic barriers actually have been? Shep probably wasn't going fast enough to cause them to react to try and stop the gas, & could it even detect and try to stop a gas in the first place? I know there are atmospheric kinetic barriers, but that's not what Sheps personal armour are designed for.
Is this a reupload, or an updated video. I watched another video recently from over a year ago where you covered Shepards revival. Edit: I found the video in my history, the old video is from his other channel and is 12.5 minutes while this is a minute longer.
Based on the info, would Shepard be dead due to the “end the reapers” ending? Where all robotics/cybernetics are apparently effected, with shepard apparently himself cybernetic enough to die due to it… according to the star child who is most likely just trying to manipulate shepard
More Lore Core videos! I always loved your deep dives, but honestly as much as Halo is great, what they've done with it recently is not. So looking forward to more Deus Ex and Mass Effect.
Curious what Shepard would think from a religious standpoint. In ME1 you can say you believe in God so curious how coming back YEARS later would affect his psyche as well as his faith. Obviously not important to the story at all but could have been an interesting line thrown in when he talked with Ashley again
You canonically remap his brain for nearly every upgrade and skill point. "How do we bring back Shepard" He's probably missing a few days of data but he's been saved.
No the real question is why kill Shepard in the first place? It was here where the trilogy lost its damn mind and focus on what it was supposed to be doing. Finding a way to stop the Reapers. It was literally the last thing Shepard says in the first game yet it never gets down. So then Mass Effect 3 is forced to shoehorn a solution and it had to be convenient because the game cannot spend too much time on it. Then again it could have if they didn't focus so damn much on Cerberus. In the final entry of a trilogy where one enemy was built up as unstoppable then gets rendered an afterthought for fucking Cerberus. Cerberus ruined Mass Effect. They took the focus of the trilogy from the Reapers to a ill defined terrorist organization. This all started because they decided killing off a character in a series without magic was a good idea. If Mass Effect 2 didn't have the loyalty missions I would hate it. I do hate most of Mass Effect 3 but some things were great....the things that were concluding plot points Mass Effect 1 set up. Hmm if only they thought of that with everything else.
To be fair, Shepard's armor is not power armor (So Shepard's skeleton is unprotected against the forces exerted), and was not designed to survive re-entry. The Mjolnir Mk 6 WAS because... UNSC engineers are insane, apparently? Either that or after 6 iterations they figured out that SPARTANS are insane, and 'Survive re-entry and impact at terminal velocity' became reasonable design requirement. Without knowing more about how Armor Lock works, it's hard to say.
The psychological effect of this trauma is something I'd like to see explored because the realisation of your death and subsequent reconstruction from pulped meat in a breached and burnt N7 combat suit would be a shock, to say the least!
That seems too far outside 00's expertise
That would need an expert with too much speculation, maybe could be used cases with comma patients after they wake up more than a year later, if they exists.
@@leandrochavez6480a woman named Wanda Palmer went into a in June of 2020 and woke up in July of 2022
Mass Effect 2 doesn't give a damn about that. They killed Shepherd because it would be shocking not to tell a interesting story with it. Everyone is just "I thought you were dead? Oh well" about it.
One fan fiction author referenced the intense fury many of Shepard’s companions felt upon realizing that the porthole in Shepard’s quarters, which allowed outer space to be visible, was triggering the Commander’s post-traumatic stress by giving the impression of floating in space. They were scandalized because they felt Cerberus should have foreseen the issue. I assume that due to compartmentalization of information, the designers and builders of the SR-2 were not cleared to know about the purpose of the ship and about the Lazarus cell -- or they foolishly assumed that Shepard would not remember suffocating. On the other hand, the triggering stimulus might be greatly reduced by simply welding the armored panel of the porthole shut, as EDI makes a specific reference to that armored panel in the game. Additionally, if the story were more realistic, the "porthole" would only be an augmented reality projection, and therefore it could easily be turned off or programmed to show something else.
How did Shepard die and come back?
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Hey, Mass Effect! So glad you’re branching out and doing these!
I mean - Lore Core always did that. It's just that for unknown reasons he didn't continue it. And/or there was smaller viewership, because it was a separate channel.
They used up the Milky Way's supply of Omni-Gel.
So that’s why there’s none in 2!
Watching with my German shepard
Hey, Mee too. Me and my German Shepherd are huge fans.
Gsd gang, mine is beside me chillin in the sun
With the unparalleled thoroughness you apply to Halo, I'm in favor of you covering anything in depth. Halo, Crysis, Mass Effect, Stargate, Star Trek/Wars, etc. It's impossible to not appreciate the dedication and thoughtfulness you put into every one of your videos.
I would point out in Andromeda there are several key element that link back to Project lazarus.
Suvi's team were recruited by Cerberus. Suvi understands genetics pretty well, and this means whatever they had a breakthrough on Cerberus Wanted them.
One of the Cerberus Overlord team son had a implant that allowed him to move despite being incapable of fully walking. We see Shepard have a spine implant which would make sense on how Shepard is able to walk/run again.
In Mass Effect Andromeda: Initiation. There was a cloning project working on creating a super soldier to fight other stronger organics like the krogans. They are clones, but have similar characteristics of Shepard's cybernetics. If we assume that Cerberus held a research facility under quite eddy in order to test how to bring Shepard back.
Say what you will about Andromeda Lore yet they did give some hints at how Shepard was brought back.
I also seem to remember Cerberus creating an entire clone of Shepard to be used for spare parts. So the whole cloning of organs at least is 100% confirmed. And also I believe the tech for memories (with emotions attached) is something that also exists in ME universe. And if that is the case then recreating the "original" Shepard is very possible.
They did indeed. The clone however wasnt used, the Illusive Man wanted Shepard, not a clone with his memories pasted in.
And given the Clone’s personality, essentially that of a sociopathic child craving attention, its likely that simply putting the memories in isnt enough to recreate the personality
@@Mobysimo True. Could not agree more. However I believe that having someone like Liara or Miranda in charge of said clone while is absorbs all it needs to "become" the real deal would produce the desired results.
It's smazing how overlooked this part of Mass Effect lore is, even in-game when you ask about it's just brushed off completely, whereupon Shepard or anyone would have a TON of questions! Writers knew it was gonna be a problem trying to explain it but to just ignore it completely is a d*ck move. Thanls for covering this video!
i really like mass effect lore, especially first contact turian war stuff. please do more mass effect videos! I remember the first time playing the mass effect 2 opening i got goosebumps when walking through the normandy's map room with the blown apart hull with open space visible through it.
This is a video I always wanted to see, Congratulations on the work. I believe the only thing that was missing from Project Lazarus, Was some side consequence, Like oblivion, Because in real life even though we don't have the means to Resurrect people, It's not like there weren't consequences, Shepard was lucky, But there could be a Miss of memory, In surgeries to remove Brain Tumors, some procedures are done with people conscious, And if the person loses some memory they won't realize, Because it's as if there never was Memory, That's why I think Kaidan or Ashley's reaction is the most authentic in the Trilogy, People get angry but they can't measure the impact of Resurrecting someone, Because you can end up bringing back something that is no longer the person you remember, Neurons die from lack of oxygen, We saw something similar in Androme , But this is another matter.
When you think about it; Project Lazarus is perhaps one of the Crowning Technological Achievements of the Mass Effect universe outside of Reaper Tech. They literally brought a Dead Shepherd back to life...
Always early for Mass Effect content my goodness
I grew up on Halo and adore your Halo videos, but I love Mass Effect just as much, hearing your voice and format in covering Shepard's death in Mass Effect 2 which is my favorite part of the games gives me chills! Thank you, please do more Mass Effect! ❤❤❤
There is a fanfic, Of Sheep and Battle Chicken (highly recommended), that had a different approach. In essence, they took what parts of Shepard were salvagable and built a cyborg with a 98% conversion. Her mind was preserved (somehow), but almost her entire body, save for parts of the brain and the odd organ, was synthetic. She was still Shepard in every respect, but her resurrection was much more extreme and traumatic.
Holy hell, someone else knows OSABC? Nice.
According to the laws of physics, it seems implausible that Shepard's remains, if only clad in a military space suit, could have remained intact after passing through Alchera's atmosphere. Alchera has a surface gravity of 0.85 g and a diameter of 18,458 km, so the forces acting on the cadaver would be very significant. There is a significant incongruity, since multiple canonical sources state that Shepard's partial remains were found on the surface of Alchera, with a large portion of the cadaver somehow surviving atmospheric re-entry.
I tried to to determine a plausible external factor that might be added to explain how Shepard’s body was recovered in a partially intact state. Since it is evident that Shepard did not reach a well-constructed spacecraft before dying, the number of reasonable explanations quickly diminishes. I propose that Shepard might have had access to an emergency kit attached to his or her spacesuit, similar to the "Personal Reentry Kit" found in Marc Miller's Traveller® universe. Official information from a previous version of Traveller® previously stated that a Personal Reentry Kit has a mass of 14.5 kilograms and a volume of 20 liters. However, the most recent set of rules indicates that the PRK weighs 50 kilograms, with no mention of its volume. A re-entry kit consists of very limited cold-gas thrusters, an altimeter, a parawing, and an ablative heat shield. The latter is deployed in the form of a frame, which must then be covered with foam from a spray can. The foam hardens in seconds. If the user applies it correctly, it is said to become barely possible to achieve a controlled re-entry to many worlds that have at least a thin atmosphere, protected from heat by the shield and ultimately descending by parawing.
In my modified scenario, Commander Shepard must have successfully gotten into the Personal Reentry Kit’s inflatable cloth-like enclosure, and deployed the ablative foam around the enclosure, and then programmed the deorbiting and braking thrusters properly. However, I assume that Shepard suffocated before reaching the planet's surface. If successful in reaching the surface, Shepard must have had the distress transmitter smashed, afterward dying of exposure and insufficient supplies. The cadaver would have frozen due to the surface temperature of -22°C, assuming it had not already frozen at an earlier point during atmospheric descent.
I always assumed Sheppard 2.0 was simply a clone, especially the mind. The soul was gone, so anything resurrected would have to be a clone. Once something is dead, it's dead. While I can stretch reality to believe his body was rebuilt, they could never remake his mind, memories, experiences. None of that could ever come back. Still.......M.E. remains one of the best games of all time!
Yes!! 00 deep diving into one of the greatest sci-fi worlds, I'm here for it.
More Mass Effect content?
In the immortal words of a mighty Emperor, “Do it!”
At least until we get more Halo Lore coming down the pipeline.
The hardest part would be the brain. With the cloning and cybernetic tech of the time, the body would be relatively simple. But I have no idea where to even start reconstructing a dead brain to the extent of restoring the prior memories and personality.
I love that you are doing mass effect videos, always thought it would be perfect with how insanely detailed you are in your breakdowns
BROOOOO!!!! I'm beyond stoked to see you do a Mass Effect Video! I love your Halo Lore and also thought you'd do superbly well with this series.
Id love to hear a retrospective video on the series as a whole if you ever do a longer video for Mass Effect!
I want you to look deeper. Personally I always thought that Cerberus had access to all his medical records in Systems Alliance (almost certain) and from other places (likely and if Cerberus and Shadow Broker worked together also almost certain), including Spectre. Spectre bit is less likely, but far from impossible. Not to mention they could have had brain scanners in many places observing Shepard. So if you include high-resolution MRI's, CT's and other imaging techniques that could have been placed on board of original Normandy, then you might have complete and near perfect image of the brain. If scientist studied with cloned brains and how to transfer memory to them and how memory works, then they could have used specialized AI to perhaps stimulate the growth of "filled in" parts of the brain along the pathways that would lead to preserving memory. Also it is clear that his memory was decent, but his muscular memory was more affected. So different part of the brain had different scale of damage. Again, AI might be able using machine learning or some more advanced technique from 160 years from the future to "guess" where such pathways should lead to create such memory.
And obviously Amnesia was that you could level up again, but in universe, this is one of the ideas that I had. Honestly if you manage the brain and the memories, then 2 of your biggest hurdles are past you. Rest could arguably be done today if one had 4 billion dollars to make a lab and gt the best people in the field. I think that creating a clean slate brain, with trial and error could still be viable. The problem is if you want to make a brain with developed ideas, memories etc. And they are not random. That is one part that I don't think we currently have the technology to make.
If you remember after he interacted with the beacon in Me1, sheperd woke up in the med bay and if i remember ringt they talk about medical treatment and that could be your scans of the brain
I just watched it again and they do scan his brains, chakwas says she deceted unsual waves in his brain so they definitely did
@@JimmyThree-Balls Yeah. The definitely did and that probably wasn't the last time. We're talking about an asset that is immeasurable to both Humanity and Citadel Council. Of course he could refuse and as Spectre only Council could order him (I usually played the male version), but he doesn't strike me as a person who would refuse medical checkups. Also we don't know if there aren't any more covert methods. As well as how much did brain imaging and understanding of the brain evolved in 160 years.
It likely wouldn't be an AI but instead a VI due to not needing a full AI for it. Remember, in Mass Effect AI means full consciousness and VI is equal to modern AI.
@@irystocrattakodachithatmooms True. Though it would depend on the need. Cerberus doesn't care about ethics of making full fledged AI. But if VI would be enough, then yes.
I imagine that memory aspects could at least have contextually been implanted via the use of VI/AI means taken from the information. That information would then need proper recontextualization which depending on the memories that remain could have (the term being very relative here) easily remade connections from implanted information from "Deep storage" long term memory.
As for clone Shepard, I can only assume that The Illusive Man had a potential brain scan done post recovery, or had one obtained by the Shadow Broker which could constitute much of the neural pathing for a clone of Shepard's brain for both the memory pathways and to have some degree if their personality while being able to otherwise train them on how to act like Shepard with minor deviations. Highly speculative as I don't know how as cloning of neural pathways could preserve memories, let alone the nature of the personality. As identical twins that have been known (This is far from common I'm aware) to have almost identical brain structure and were treated far little in difference from each other, have had extremely similar personalities and could fool parents and even close friends/partners that they are their twin with a little acting so long as specific memories that couldn't be glossed over were required in situation.
Installation00, this series is def something you should continue! as a mass effect fan, the lore is expensive!
oh yes, a new 00 video... it is a good day.
Nice!!
We've needed a breakdown of this for a long time. Loving all the Mass Effect content of late 00.
I have to say, I know Halo is your love, but Mass Effect is mine. I love it when you nerd out on the science behind things like that. As another one of my favorite content creators says, "you got snacks?" (Shout out dashiegames), Yes I do. Give me all the long form Mass Effect content. I am ready. I would love to see the lore behing the Mass relays or mass effect fields as it applies to not only ships but to guns and armor as well. Keep up the good work. I've been a subscriber for years so you have a fan for all your content.
I am a big fan of your mass effect videos, thank you for making them. Always happy to see a new one!
The fact that they were able to recover anything from Shepherds body after burning up in the atmosphere always made me laugh. Great to see you doing Mass Effect, while my experience with the games ended after ME2, it’s still a rich lore universe that is right up your alley. 🤙
maybe they caught him before that.
Thank you for your content, in a world that's spiraling to oblivion, your work brings joy. Thank you🙂
In the Mass Effect universe they can clone new limbs at major hospitals. It is a throw away line while you are in one while visiting a patient there. The conversation was the use of an artificial limb til they got a new one.
Please keep going into Mass Effect lore. If you ever need assistance with anything Mass Effect, I definitely recommend contacting Big Dan Gaming. He is in my opinion one of the most knowledgeable people on Mass Effect. Keep up the great work!
Perfect, given the amount of information we got from the games, absolutely perfect!
And yes, a part 2 going more in depth in regards to brain damage and memory recovery would be appreciated.
I'm all for you branching out into Mass Effect!!
Hellll yes. The best lore guy ever getting into my other favorite scifi series!
In kasumis loyalty mission we have to retrieve somthing called a grey box witch is basically a hard drive for his Brian that saved all his memories from the point of it’s installation to his death
My man out here doing mass effect. He'll yeah
The Video:
Commander Shepard: I didn't realise it was that bad.
I will never say no to more Mass Effect
Much better use of music themes in the video, please keep up the ME content!
Planetary reentry, only one man has survived this feat. To many non humans he is known as the Demon, to people who know him, he is John
what about noble 6?
I recently did a ME1-ME3 play through. So this was fun to watch.
Shepard, Commander a man long given up for dead…
Illusive man : We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster…
Reaper tech. That’s how Shepard was able to interface with the Crucible.
Huh, I always assumed Cerberus picked up his body in orbit. Figured the Normandy was in orbit and he kept that momentum when he was thrown from the ship. Should have had some time before he fell.
If I could make any additions to Mass Effect 2 or 3, I'd make a character who's unique power was vital in resuscitating Shepard. He'd have biotic like powers that can make a small field that reverses the time state of an object. He can only make the reversal field about the size of a brain, but that's all that was needed.
You see, when Shepard died of a space suit failure, their brains would've been vacuum boiled beyond there being anything left to save... Unless some dark energy field time shenanigans could reverse the time state of at least the brain.
As far as the brain/mind reconstruction goes, it was said that Liara helped them get the body, meaning that they already did cooperate in the matter. As this universe has biotics (aka space magic), and she did merge with his mind in the past, it might been a possible part of the process that she was mind merging at least once with his reconstructed brain during its reconstruction with reversed data flow... Like you forget how you are but someone who knows everything about your way of being reminds you of how it is to be you.
In the end... Honestly I wasn't a fan of killing the character just to recreate it, but from a gameplay perspective I understood that they made it this way just to give you the option to make a new one.
Now it's been a awhile, but didn't "N7" soldiers also receive a bit of augmentation during their training? If so that might also have been a small helping factor preservation of Shepards body.
If you consider the dlc cannon they likely harvested organs from cloning cuz shepherds clone states that he was created by the elusive man in case the commander needed a transplant
Don't forget Nanomachines; surely a project such as this would benefit heavily from them!
How much of the original brain "survived" potential minutes of vacuum boiling and orbital impact is what I'm most concerned about. I think the game theorist concluded it'd be nothing but mashed potatoes with no original part of Shepard left at all. Like, you're playing ME2 on a miraculously closely cloned brain while actual Shepard is literally fully dead.
Love the new content as well!
Hey thanks for these mass effect vids I really appreciate it. 🙂
Hey installation 00 no this isn't the place to post it but I figured you're most likely to see it here since this video is not that old I think an interesting topic you could cover would be what would a Mjolnir Mark 8 be capable of if it existed in the Halo universe
I can certainly ponder on it and get back to you!
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I've always wondered if Reaper tech was somewhat involved on Project Lazarus.
Crush my heart into embers and I will reignite!
For Earth! For the Alliance! For the Galaxy!
Love the Mass Effect content.
I'm curious, if they had advanced organ cloning tech, theoretically if they also had a very detailed scan of his brain pre-death, would it be possible to recreate the pathways that were part of the dead tissue?
How much help would kinetic barriers actually have been?
Shep probably wasn't going fast enough to cause them to react to try and stop the gas, & could it even detect and try to stop a gas in the first place? I know there are atmospheric kinetic barriers, but that's not what Sheps personal armour are designed for.
You would like the YarnHub narrator
4 billion credits always seemed like to low a number for all that was done to resurrect Shepard.
Got a like and subscribe from me for this Mass Effect series!
Got to say, death by vacuum was not the way I wanted to go the first time.
Me seeing more mass effect on 00 = me clicking the like button
Is this a reupload, or an updated video. I watched another video recently from over a year ago where you covered Shepards revival.
Edit: I found the video in my history, the old video is from his other channel and is 12.5 minutes while this is a minute longer.
Next video, how does Commander Shepard soldier build compare to Orion candidates, like SGT. Avery Johnson.
Based on the info, would Shepard be dead due to the “end the reapers” ending? Where all robotics/cybernetics are apparently effected, with shepard apparently himself cybernetic enough to die due to it… according to the star child who is most likely just trying to manipulate shepard
Love the mass effect content
More Lore Core videos!
I always loved your deep dives, but honestly as much as Halo is great, what they've done with it recently is not. So looking forward to more Deus Ex and Mass Effect.
Who has the better augmentations? Shepard or Ryder?
Shepard. Ryder has no augmentations beyond his AI implant. SAM just enhances the abilities he naturally has.
i feel like it would be easier to put shepards head on a new body... or convert his brain into an AI and then make robo sheppard
Legit just finished a paragon play through
NANOMACHINES SON
Hell ya lets goooo!
I like to see a video the shepherd clone from Mass Effect three
Body reconstruction aside... The lack of personality and behaivior changes from brain damage is a big issue.
2 years and 4 billion creds is kinda a good deal for bringing someone back from the dead
Curious what Shepard would think from a religious standpoint. In ME1 you can say you believe in God so curious how coming back YEARS later would affect his psyche as well as his faith. Obviously not important to the story at all but could have been an interesting line thrown in when he talked with Ashley again
Look into the personality transplant
K but the teeth, how does he have such a nice grill after they likely would have popped during re-entry cooking?
Hey can you do a video of shepherds implants and augmentation
ahh So will they revive shepard Again for Mass Effect 4?
You canonically remap his brain for nearly every upgrade and skill point. "How do we bring back Shepard"
He's probably missing a few days of data but he's been saved.
Is it actuall his Soul?
Subbed cause of Halo, stayed for Mass Effect.
I love mass effect lore as much as halo
Party on Garth.
Yes ❤❤❤
Lazarus, most hated medic in the game. Oh wait wrong game-
Patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
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No the real question is why kill Shepard in the first place? It was here where the trilogy lost its damn mind and focus on what it was supposed to be doing. Finding a way to stop the Reapers. It was literally the last thing Shepard says in the first game yet it never gets down. So then Mass Effect 3 is forced to shoehorn a solution and it had to be convenient because the game cannot spend too much time on it. Then again it could have if they didn't focus so damn much on Cerberus. In the final entry of a trilogy where one enemy was built up as unstoppable then gets rendered an afterthought for fucking Cerberus. Cerberus ruined Mass Effect. They took the focus of the trilogy from the Reapers to a ill defined terrorist organization. This all started because they decided killing off a character in a series without magic was a good idea. If Mass Effect 2 didn't have the loyalty missions I would hate it. I do hate most of Mass Effect 3 but some things were great....the things that were concluding plot points Mass Effect 1 set up. Hmm if only they thought of that with everything else.
So as someone who has never played Mass Effect and is bad with names, i thought this was a Halo video for about the first half lol
Treat job!
Because we know it works for male Shepard but we don't know if it's scientifically works for female Shepard
Who can survive entering the armosphere?
Master Chief
Who can't survive entering the atmosphere?
Definitely Shepard
To be fair, Shepard's armor is not power armor (So Shepard's skeleton is unprotected against the forces exerted), and was not designed to survive re-entry. The Mjolnir Mk 6 WAS because... UNSC engineers are insane, apparently? Either that or after 6 iterations they figured out that SPARTANS are insane, and 'Survive re-entry and impact at terminal velocity' became reasonable design requirement. Without knowing more about how Armor Lock works, it's hard to say.
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I love mass effect, but if you want to dive deeper in its lore then you have to read the books...For your sanity I dont recommend that