History of Anabaptists & Quakers
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FULL SERIES:
Episode 1: Origins & Early Schisms
• Christian Origins & Ea...
Episode 2: Roman Catholics & Eastern Orthodoxy
• History of Roman Catho...
Episode 3: Anglicans, Lutherans & Reformed
• History of Anglican, L...
Episode 4: Anabaptists & Quakers
• History of Anabaptists...
Episode 5: Baptists & Methodists
• History of Baptist & M...
Episode 6: Mormons, Adventists & JWs
• History of Mormon, Adv...
Episode 7: Pentecostals & Charismatics
• History of Holiness, P...
Episode 8: Miscellaneous Groups
• Obscure Churches You M...
Check out Ready to Harvest’s video here:
• What are Mennonites Li...
CREDITS:
Chart & Narration by Matt Baker
Animation by Syawish Rehman
Audio editing by Ali Shahwaiz
Theme music: “Lord of the Land” by Kevin MacLeod and licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license 4.0. Available from incompetech.com
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“And then there were those who thought the chart did not go far enough…”
Please be sure to mention the Seventh Day Baptists in your video on Baptists. If not for their important historical role, then at least for the fact that the Adventist movement received its Sabbatarian doctrine from the SDBs, specifically, from Rachel Oakes-Preston.
Great video! One mistake, there is no "Mormon church" it is The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Most people misunderstand that church, but if they should know one thing about the church, it's the church's Name because The name shows that we believe in Jesus Christ, and that we believe we are the same new testament church Jesus set up but restored in modern days.
The fact that you have to do an extensive section on corrections and additions as you interweave more groups into the chart, or better contextualize existing groups demonstrates how complex the history of Christianity is, and it's one of my favourite parts of this project.
This has been great. Now when someone says “I’m a Christian,” oh really?
@@jasonmurray4714 It usually depends on how much that person knows about their faith and its history, which a lot of times isn't much if they're not a student of it. I've had conversations go off the rails because I described people as "religious" and they refuse the label, only attributing that to other faiths (Catholics, in particular) despite the fact that these are people who believe in God, the divinity of Christ, and who regularly attend weekly services. Then you have people who use "Christian" as a synonym for "Protestant", as opposed to "Roman Catholic" and are pretty much unaware of distinctions other than that. It's a wild world out there.
@@delusionnnnn That’s kind of what I was driving at. People don’t really grasp how complicated and deep history actually is, but they talk like they know.
It also demonstrates his intelligence and commitment
If they keep up the corrections they will never be done.
If I could make one suggestion, I'd add an "other" section in the "Ten Largest Christian Communions" so we can get an idea for how much of Christianity worldwide is accounted for in the top 10.
Great suggestions!
I agree with adding 'other', especially
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A majority is accounted for in the top 1.
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@@jdotoz In factory the majority (about 51%) of all Christians are Catholic.
As a Hicksite Quaker I'm always happy to see somebody mention us who doesn't think we look like an oatmeal box. Thanks!
Thanks to you guys, we enjoy a healthy meal everyday. Thank you for inventing Oats 😋
Do you guys really just sit in a circle/square/shape in silence under a church for "Sunday service" and individually read the bible in silence, then get up and leave, maybe fellowship a little bit, and do the sacraments rarely?
@@JohnDorian-j7x more or less! The silence can be broken if someone feels moved by the Spirit to share something, after which everyone sits contemplating what was said. This typically happens a couple times during any given week's meeting.
Fellow liberal Quaker! 🥰
@@JohnDorian-j7x No. We never do sacraments!
I'm happy you chose to add Korean Presbyterian churches in the chart, mainly because I belong to one of them, but I did think it was worth being mentioned as it consists the largest bodies of prebysterian churches in the world... thank you for mentioning
Kang Pan-sok, the mother of the Great Leader Kim Il-Sung, was also a Korean Presbyterian.
@@Ggdivhjkjl Ah yes, a "great" leader indeed.
It's interesting to know that Korea has a sizeable Christian population.
@Ranel Gallardo I am interested in that fact too.... Based on what I read, South Korean Christianity (protestantism especially) played role as a major channel for receiving American charity and economic support, bringing them to quite strong position in politics and economic field
@@daudkim99 Are there any underground missions to give the Gospel to North Koreans?
It seems you forgot to add Lebanon in your map of denominations. It should be yellow. According to the International Foundation for Electoral Systems (IFES) Lebanon is 44.36% Christian and 31.76% Catholic (25.52% Maronite; 5.62% Melkite; 0.62% Armenian Catholic plus some few others that are too small to be counted)
(Edit) I forgot to mention nowadays there are more Catholics than Protestants in Germany
Lebanon has a significant minority of Greek Orthodox as well
I'm pretty sure Greek Orthodoxy is the 2nd largest christian group in Lebanon after Maronites.
Why does Wikipedia say something vastly different?
Islam
~28.7% Sunni
~28.4% Shi'a
~0.6% Other
(Alawite & Ismaili)
Christianity
~22% Maronite Catholic
~8% Greek Orthodox
~5% Melkite Catholic
~4% Armenian
(Orthodox & Catholic)
~1% Minorities
~1% Evangelical
Druzism
~5.2% Druze
@@AlphaGeekgirl that’s not vastly different though is it
@@AlphaGeekgirl that's another source. As I said there is no official estimates so I think both of them are valid. The reason why I didn't choose your source is because it seems it includes refugees as well. I think it's very unlikely that there are as many Sunni as there as Shias in Lebanon. Sunnis tend to emigrate more and have a lower TFR than Shias.
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The Turtle of Damascus ?
The great atuin?
Episode 2: "Wow this chart is already getting so complicated."
Episode 3: Martin Luther: "Hold my beer."
Yup that’s what closed communion does for a faith- seems a bit non Christ like but most are formed only with great heart ache among those who lead the movement
This is episode 4
More like hold my thesis 😂
Hold my Bible*
that wd be ale
So glad you mentioned Flushing, Queens and the Flushing Remonstrance. The Flushing Quaker meeting is still alive and well, in its original 17th century meeting house in Queens, NYC. As a member of Brooklyn Meeting it is great to have our New York roots acknowledged.
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Well that’s cool.
Somewhat ironic then that Flushing's most famous (fictional) denizen is extremely Jewish...
Might I just add, I knew Christianity is a complex beast, but the Protestant branch IS OFF THE CHARTS! Still cant wrap my head around all the branches (must have been a nightmare to research!), especially considering most of these denominations arent more then a couple of centuries old! And are yet so divergent and numerous!!
Hoped to learn more about the Baptists, but ill be patient until the next time. Great vid as usual!!
That’s how we can be sure the Catholic branch is the one true church
@@ingolfringolfrson1577 The Eastern Orthodox might have something to say about that 😄
@@cloudkitt They we’re all Catholic until the Great Schism
Catholics/Orthodox can trace their lineage all the way to the feet of Jesus Christ.
Protestants it’s just one petulant whine after the other. Anglicans being one of the worst
@@ingolfringolfrson1577 Disagree. Popes accumulated too much authority and subverted their own church for temporal power and influence, many times for petty personal reasons. The Catholic unity is the direct result of centuries of oppressive persecution of dissidents coming from the highest possible instance, whether from the Popes themselves, or the Emperors, Kings and Princes they had sway over.
Might have to turn this chart landscape to get everyone in
you could also add the shakers to the chart! from what i understand they were an offshoot of the quakers (occuring in england, then migrating to the American colonies also seeking religious freedom). supposedly Maine is the most significant region for them, but there is a former shaker village here in kentucky! there are only 2 shakers remaining today, mostly because they are entirely celibate, only gaining members through conversion. they also allowed women to hold spiritual leadership roles.
I believe the Shaker village in Maine has gained a new member, so they're at 3 since 2020.
I wanted to say the same, I'm pretty sure the Shakers should have shown up somewhere alongside the Quakers.
I've actually been to the Shaker Village twice. First time was to just look around and learn about the Shakers. Second time was a Native American craft fair.
I live in British Columbia and many First Nations are Shakers.
Shaker Heights, Ohio was also originally founded by Shakers (though they didn't give it that name).
I like how he addressed the Big Elephant on the Room. The Quaker Oats 😅
Fascinating. I wonder if the Shakers should be added, though? I know you have to draw the line somewhere, but they were a pretty big part of colonial America as well.
You should add the Old Lutherans to the lutheran section of your chart. They were founded in 1830 in Prussia (Germany) in protest against the state sponsored union with reformed christians. They still exist in Germany as an own denomination.
I'm no expert, but having dealt indirectly with a number of Hutterite colonies in Alberta, I think it's worth noting a few things. Firstly, that, at least from what I've seen, heard, and ready, their theology is not based on a rejection of modern technology in the same way as the Amish; their focus is instead on communal living and sharing resources (though dress, etc. is still very traditional as mentioned). The Hutterite colonies I knew of definitely have cell phones as you mention, as well as computers, Internet access, heavy machinery, cars and trucks, etc. What really distinguishes them is that none of these things are owned by individuals; they're owned by the colony as a whole. Most are mass-scale farms with all the trappings of modern agriculture. I always found them particularly fascinating.
As a Mennonite, who studied Anabaptist history, his guide is a good simplification, but it is *is* a simplification.
Generally speaking, however, use of cell phones and computers is supposed to be restricted to business and operations. Granted when the farm boss is in his truck I'm sure he's playing candy crush.
I’m disappointed you didn’t add the Doukhobors! And Russian Folk-Protestants in general :(! After being basically exiled from the Russian Empire around 9000 moved to western Canada, mostly Saskatchewan and BC, where they still are today. They are super interesting! Even forgoing the bible in-favour of Hymns only, they also had a split around WW1 which formed the Freedomites. They are sometimes called one of the Peace Churches so I expected them here 😢 otherwise this series is truly wonderful by the way, I love it I just wanted to see this group
Their not Protestants. They not even influence by them it more like folk Russian Orthodox break away.
As a direct line descendant of Alexander Mack, I literally squealed when he was mentioned. Thank you so much for making this easy to understand. Interestingly, there is a camp named after Alexander in northern Indiana near a large Amish and Mennonite population.
This is my favorite series on RUclips right now. Excellent job. Thank you!
My Oma and Opa were members of a Brethren Church. I never knew Brethren were a 'peace church,' which is ironic to me because they were good conservative war hawks. Overall I am loving this series!
I find it awesome how some of the descendants of German and Dutch immigrants to America still use the terms "Oma" and "Opa" to refer to their grandparents, because it shows that there is still a noticeabe connection between us modern Germans and the modern Dutch and our very distant relatives in the Americas.
@@guardianofthehill Best part of the story is that my Oma and Opa have English ancestry but lived in very German influenced Northern Indiana. My Nan and Pap, who are of German ancestry, lived in an Italian influenced part of Pennsylvania, hence the use of the very Italian terms Nan and Pap!
Were they Plymouth brethren, perchance? My husband comes from a family of closed Plymouth brethren, and they are not exactly peace loving. His father was in WWII.
yes Brethren do consider themselves as the "peace" church.
I knew an older man, an elder in the Brethren Chruch that told the story that one Sunday Bible class the class leader was being the typical milley mouth "Ned Flanders" and this was during the First Gulf War....he asked the class, 'Would Jesus send tanks and planes and bombs to Iraq to kill the enemy soldiers?" My friend spoke up and said..."NO...He'd send a plague and WIPE THEM ALL OUT!!" LOL Of course, the class was little taken back by that...but he added..."Haven't you ever read the Bible? God sent fire and flood and plagues and all sorts of things to wipe out an entire people...man, woman, child and yes, even baby!".......Those peacenik hippies...probably like yourself that vote Demonratic Anti-Christ....have a very hard time with THAT!
@@guardianofthehill That's what I call my grandparents on my moms side. My grandmother is German.
As a family genealogist with Friends ancestors, I found this quite useful. Thank you.
Good vid,and the last segment about chocolate-making Quaker families [Cadbury,Fry,Rowntree] could also lead to a future family tree,showing their marriage alliances,as they all still exist as British high society/landed gentry families,along with their family links to the Quaker-led banking sector,via the Gurneys,Lloyds[of Dolobran] and Barclays. 👌👍
Not sure if this is mentioned yet, but may you consider adding the Personal Ordinariate (aka Anglican Ordinariate)?
Made up of Anglicans, Episcopalians, and Methodists that have reentered communion with the Catholic Church. Although they’re incorporated into the Latin Church, they retain much of their Anglican culture, practices, and spirituality whilst accepting Catholic theology and recognising the pope as head of the Church. They also use a modified form of the Roman liturgical rite known as Divine Worship, formerly and still colloquially called Anglican Use.
While I don't consider myself a "religious" person, I am fascinated by this series. Having grown up between an area settled by Anabaptists and an area settled by the Presbyterian and having both in my background, as well as having been around many other churches. It was also a very ecumenical community and remains so today. We have always celebrated together. I also find the connections between the various groups and why the area has developed historically as it has fascinating.
In this more divided world it seems, this is a refreshing news!
@@AndreSamosir I think the more we see and know, the more divided it seems.
Thanks so much for amending the Georgian church entry. I love your channel and would love to see some Georgian content. Bagrationi family tree would be amazing
This is awesome work. But there must be at least 8 episodes. There is branches of oldbelievers, and some denominations originated in Russia( but now they are in , for example, Canada and Brasil)
i discovered this channel and series about an hour and a half ago and just binged all of them in a row. fantastic!!! so much amazing research and wonderful history storytelling. thanks to all the team and matt!! i know every decision on the map must be such a painstaking one to make (esp with all the wonderful and thoughtfully made edits), so much thanks!!
Me, too!
As someone who has strong Quaker leanings, I found this video rather interesting, ta. 🙂
Any plans to cover the Unitarains?
Enjoying this series... but now I need to see some sort of "history of chocolate" chart.
For that thank the Maya of Guatemala.
@@bethhentges I think it goes back at least as far as the Olmec. And, probably, the Spanish got it from the Aztecs. But the Maya are surely important in the history. Sounds like the beginning of a really interesting chart, right?
Just to make clear the Scottish episcopal Church is still going and is still independent of the church of England.
Extremely interesting series! As what would be considered a conservative mennonite, hearing the complete history of Christianity has been fascinating!
Amazing work so far! I'd suggest you add the Shakers(broke off the quakers) since they are historically significant and down to 2 members and will soon be extinct. I would also suggest you add to your upcoming Baptist Episode the Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) who broke off the Southern Baptist Convention during and after the Fundamentalist-Modernist debate due to a disagreement with perceived liberal theology in the SBC and the New Independent Fundamental Baptists (NIFB) who broke off of the IFB and were founded by Stephen Anderson in 2017(or Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist church in the mid to late 1950s depending on how you look at it as they share ideology but not all points of theology since Phelps didn't call himself NIFB and is technicality from the primitive Baptist tradition not the SBC and identifies as a Calvinist/Reformed and Anderson isn't Calvinist/Reformed) due to perceived liberalism in the IFB since he and the Westboro Baptist church are also very significant in current events. Perhaps a dotted line from both primitive Baptist and IFB to the NIFB? Thanks and I look forward to the other videos and buying the chart!
My grandparents used to live in a neighborhood called "Shaker Heights" because apparently the area used to have Shakers in it.
@@greywolf7577 Their anti-sex views and the closing of membership means they are doomed. There are only 2 members left. The will live on in history forever though.
@@greywolf7577 Shakers established a small village there, and a few years after they abandoned the area, railroad tycoons M.J. and O.P. Van Sweringen built Shaker Village on the same land, which later became Shaker Heights when it achieved city status.
I didn't get a good look at the Baptist section of the chart, but I definitely agree that the Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) should be included. I think that people underestimate just how much influence they have in the rural South, and by extension, on American politics. Bob Jones University is an IFB university (officially it's non-denominational, but everyone knows it's really IFB) that was the topic of a major U.S. Supreme Court civil rights case. Losing that case is what prompted Jerry Falwell, Sr. to form the Moral Majority, which influenced the Republican Party to become associated with evangelical Christianity, something that continues to this day.
@@cswrye Yes they should be on there since the lowest estimate of their numbers is almost 9 million. and I think the NIFB should be as well since they have also had a large influence and are different than the IFB.
Hi, Matt, very interesting series you've got here. Great job. I just want to point out two things about two small denominations which may be too small for your chart but I would like to mention them anyway, since they are in my country. So I am Faroese and we have two denominations that you arguably could call unique. Or unique-ish. Anyway, in 2007 the Lutheran Faroese People's Church split from the Danish Lutheran Church and has thus become probably the smallest national church today. It's still pretty similar to the Danish Lutheran Church and while I don't think it'll ever become incompatible with it there are some interesting features to it. For instance, it's common that priests aren't always at a sermon and that it's usually a non-ecclestical deacon that just reads an old sermon as part of the main idea. It's hard to explain in detail but it's something that should be experienced I think.
The second is what I thought was going to be today's topic but I see that it isn't. So the Plymouth Brethren and the Open Brethren at that has a daughter denomination in the Faroe Islands. In the late 19th or early 20th century a Scottish missionary came to the Faroes and started spreading the Brethren here. As a result the Brethren (which we call Brøðrasamkoman) is the 2nd largest denomination in the Faroe Islands at around 10-12%. Interestingly, they are also called Baptists but as I can see from this they don't exactly fall under that label. But still interesting.
I know these are still small and I don't know if they will appear on your chart but hopefully you are seeing this and will at least find the info interesting.
Keep up the good work!
As someone who's always been fascinated by this sort of thing, I'm quite grateful for this whole series!
In the map, Lebanon has more than 10% Christians.
In Egypt the Coptic Church is about ~9% (although ~1% are other Christians), Syria has 10% Christians
Iraq has anywhere between 5%-11% Christians
The UAE - 10% (13% in 2011)
Bahrain - 12.1%
Kuwait - 18%-20%
Singapore - 18.9%
And many more island nations with even Christian majority.
What colour was Armenia on the map?
Glad to see the Scottish Episcopal Church on the map both because it's independent (and not tiny) but also exactly for the reason you stated: Their connection to the US Episcopal Church, felt weird having them coming from the english church (though obviously they have roots there) given the history.
You should add the shakers officially the United Society of Believers in Christ's Second Appearing. They broke off from Quakers and actually even prevented anyone else from joining them meaning theres only 2 left in the present day
Agreed the Shakers should be added. Any group that forbids both marriage and new converts has a way of dying out pretty fast. The Shakers have some interesting dances though.
Slightly disappointed you didn't add the Anglican Ordinariate to the chart in this episode. I don't know if you saw my comment on the last video, but to remind you, Pope Benedict XVI established it on November 4, 2009 with Anglicanorum Coetibus as a way for Anglican parishes to convert to Catholicism while retaining their liturgical traditions. I assume you had so much to add that this flew under the radar.
Maybe he will add it later since it is so recent? If the chart is going in time order, that is. But yes, so much to cover, I'm sure it's hard to get everything.
The Hicksite schism wasn't because of slavery, which had already been condemned by the Friends General meetings in America. It was doctrinal. Elias Hicks taught that the Holy Spirit present in meeting has priority even over Holy Scripture, a very contentious belief.
It might be fair to say it was partially about engagement with culture. Orthodox Friends met in 1830 (after the Hicks separation) to make a list of Orthodox beliefs and testimonies.... among which was not engaging with the government. Joseph John Gurney was an English abolitionist Friend who visited the Americas to preach -- and Orthodox Friends suffered splits based on his ministry starting in the late 30's.
I wasn't aware of a general meeting before 1830... though yes, Every YM all adopted a testimony against slavery before the division related to Hicks.
You could also put manicheism, next to mandaeism. It came from gnosticism and was once a big religion that even competed with christianity, today it is still practiced in fujian.
I really do appreciate your attention to detail, as well as your willingness to consistently correct/adjust your chart as you continue to work on it.
Staying tuned for episode 7. 5th generation A/G girl here! I’m excited to see your attention to detail applied to the varied branches of the Pentecostal beliefs. A fun point if you haven’t considered yet, Church of God in Christ - the Pentecostal denomination Denzel Washington and his family follow - broke from the A/G over racial issues back in the early 20th century.
The CoGiC is actually 7 to 8 years older than the A/G. The split wasn't unfriendly. There were segregation laws in several US states that made it against the law for certain groups to worship together. There were several early pentecostal preachers that were jailed, not prison, but jailed for baptizing black and white folks together in on baptism tank, pond, river. Note: no one is really white nor totally black. There were other things happening, but covers part of it.
This is why the Catholic church was so hardcore about Heresy, precisely to prevent all these confusing sects forming making everything so complicated.
John 17
You should color Sakhalin red, I see you missed that!
One of my neighbours is an agnostic Quaker, he's always really friendly and polite. Super laid back. I would protect him with my life.
Interestingly, he only ever says 'morning' or 'evening', it's never 'good morning' or 'good evening'. And always makes an effort to see how I'm doing, which I find really nice.
Agnostic Quaker? As in, he follows the teachings but does not believe?
@@archdukerichard7100 cuando un hombre cuaquero tiene novio tiende a ser agnostico sera internacionalista ...en reuniones nada cristianas hay mucha gente buscando una iglesia conlibertad y los cuaqueros son muy libres ..
@@archdukerichard7100 In Hicksite groups it's fairly normal to be agnostic or at least somewhat so. There are even atheist Quakers in some Hicksite groups. I grew up in the EFC on the westcoast that split from the Gurneyites around the turn of the century, but I live back east now and the differences between groups are huge. My old yearly meeting split several years back, over LGBTQ+ rights/membership, whereas the meeting where I am now in NY is queer friendly and affirming. Quakers really run the gamut.
Great series of videos. I've been looking forward to each new part of this series. Well done Matt and team.
Interesting video, considering I live in Pennsylvania with these various groups living around me. My best friend in school was Brethern, while Amish and Mennonites are in various nearby communities. Many places are named Quaker this and that in the area. Nice to see how they all relate to each other.
You should add the Shakers as well, a fun offspring of the Quaker church focused on gender equality in the church
Yeah I was waiting for him to mention Shakers
Wow this is really good. As a Christian this is really helpful for me to see where different beliefs and denominations come from. So this is much appreciated. Also you and Ready to Harvest are the perfect compliment to each other on this subject. He dives into specifics of beliefs, whereas your chart helps me to visualize how they are connected. Well done.
@UsefulCharts Your map shows germany with protestantism as dominant. But according to the german wikipeadia there are slightly more catholics than protestants in germany (even if you include Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses). It uses newer data than the english page, which says that there are more protestants. You might want to look into that again to be sure.
Agreed. While there are certainly regions in Germany where either Catholicism or Protestantism can be called dominant, the overall numbers are so similar that I think a pattern like hatching makes the most sense.
What about the United Church of Canada, the second largest church in Canada and the largest Protestant church in Canada.
I am happy that you intend to cover the LDS Church, but... please refrain from calling us "Mormons", as that is not and never has been the name of our Church.
Even though there are literally only 2 left, it’s a shame you didn’t mention the Shakers (“shaking quakers”)
My great-grandfather broke from the River Brethren. We’re not River Brethren but we still interact with my paternal relatives in Lancaster. The River Brethren name comes from the Susquehanna River in Lancaster
I just went through Cedar Rapids, Iowa yesterday and saw the world's largest cereal mill - their Quaker Oats plant.
This is a fascinating series! Thank you! I'd be interested in learning more about the Quakers in America, and how the American Friends Service Committee fits into the chart.
AFSC doesn't fit into the chart; but for a brief history, AFSC was strongly related to Friends United Meeting, originally. It was formed to manage alternative service for WW1 conscientious objectors, and ended up among other things managing refugee camps, running feeding programs, and helping Europe rebuild after the war. Eventually, it became its own organization without a Friends body controlling it; and currently, there are few Quakers in its organizational structure.
Current American Quakerism has 20ish autonomous Yearly Meetings... which are divided on geographical and ideological lines. Each one has its own book of discipline. There are 3 denominational' bodies and most YM's are members of one or two of these; however there are several that are not members of any of them. There are 3 more ideological groups that have yearly meetings: "Conservative," "Beanite," and "Holiness" that don't have any sort of 'denominational office' to connect the YM's in these families... I'm sure with recent splits someone will come up with a new classification name to describe them too.
Even going within these wider grouping, there is some variety of local custom... basically :) people do what works for them, each meeting has its own character.
I'm very early in the video but I just wanted to express how hyped I am for the inclusion of Lollards in the chart! Learned of their existence from Crusader Kings 2 and did some research and found myself very quickly ranking them as basically my favourite "flavour" of Christianity.
Small correction in your world map infographic: Australian Christianity is majority Catholic around 22%, while all other Protestant denominations together are around 18%. Thanks for the work you do, I’m a big fan of the charts for teaching 👍
Yeah thought so!
Glad to hear you will be covering the Latter Day Saints / Mormons. I'm doing genealogy for my family, and am learning that one branch is heavily Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. (That is a mouthful of a denomination name.) RLDS, now knows as the Community of Christ.
I'm curious where you will group the Restorationist churches such as the Church of Christ and Disciples of Christ. They'd probably be most similar to Baptists theologically, but also had some Presbyterian influence.
Bravo. Enjoy seeing how the chronological math visually displays history in your videos. Hopefully, scholars will One day accept your work as being requisite in the same manner as The Peoples History of the United States. Would really like to see you take on a Timeline of Caesar’s Messiah.
While I understand the impulse to simplify the Scottish Presbyterian story, yet please consider including the Covenanters should be included due to their importance in American history. The Covenanters were heavily involved in the English Civil Wars and fought for the restoration of Charles II. However once rethroned Charles II renounced his Treaty and Oath of Covenant betraying the Scottish Convenanters. He ejected 400 Scottish ministers imposing Episcopalian government on the Churchbof Scotland. In 1679 this erupted into violence following the assassination of Archbishop Sharp and battles at Drumclog and Bothwell Bridge. The Covenanters who rose up against the imposition of bishops were held captive at Greyfriars and were tried for rebellion. Many fled to Ireland to become the "Scotch Irish" while others remained and became "Cameronians". When Scotch Irish folks moved to the New World they are implicated in sparking the American Revolutionary War when Covenanter conflicts with Native Americans and the massacre of the Conestoga led to protests against the English government and perceived failure to protect its citizens.
Following the Revolution, Convenanters were also dogmatically faithful to their beliefs and they refused to cosign the US Constitution due to its exclusion of Christianity and its tolerance of slavery. They were strongly opposed to the separation of church and state, believing that America should be a Christian nation and thus wholly reject slavery. They along with the Quakers maintained their Calvinist beliefs against slavery on scriptural grounds and their literal reading of the Bible.
As the 1800s open the Covenanter descendants and Reformed Presbyterians became more ardent in their rejection of slavery. Many Reformed Presbyterian churches served as Underground Railroad stations. In 1818 the Presybertian Church USA condemned slavery and called for its abolition before a 1837 schism over revivalism (Old School Presbyterians v New School Presbyterians respectively). The New School Presbyterians who were theologically influenced by the Congregationalists led to development of evangelism and New Divinity "methods". (This also sets the stage for Congregationalists/New School Presbyterians who turn towards Unitarian belief.)
These two groups became four largely along North/South divisions over slavery as the tensions grew in the lead up to the Civil War. There are many notable Presbyterian ministers at this time including: African-American pastor Theodore S. Wright who helped form Anti-Slavery Societies, Henry Ward Beecher raised money to send "Beecher's Bibles" (rifles) to oppose pro-slavery violence in Kansas (see @ExtraHistory series on John Brown) and was a vehement Congregationalist preacher against slavery and Harriet Beecher Stowe who wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin to demonstrate the horrific conditions of the enslaved. Both Beechers (and a few other siblings) were raised Presbyterian and were very active in abolition.
Of note as well is Frederick Douglas mentions the Convenanters in his speech "The Meaning of the Fourth of July for the Negro".
Also, Mary Todd Lincoln is a descendant of Scottish Covenanters. Her ancestor James Todd was captured following the Battle of Bothwell Bridge and was held with other Covenanter rebels at Greyfriars. He was sentenced to slavery for rebellion against the English King, and drowed when the slave ship (Crowne of London) transporting him to the New World sank in Nov 1679. His surviving son John "the Fox" Todd fled to Scotland and was so nicknamed due to his escape. Two of John's sons Andrew and Robert Todd immigrated to America in 1737, Robert being Mary Todd Lincoln's great-grandfather.
I always love the difference in rhetoric in America vs Europe. In America, the movement of religious denominations from Europe to America is characterized as people escaping persecution while in Europe it’s characterized as religious fanatics leaving to practice their crazy beliefs somewhere else.
I mean one side's "Rhetoric" was burning heretics at the stake... so theirs that.
Europeans have never understood the concept of freedom. Their so-called "enlightenment" was spread by a ruthless conquering dictator...
Two sides of the same coin.
When Oliver Cromwell is too liberal.
I wonder if pseudofaiths like Messianic Judaism, Hebrew Roots, Nazarene Israel, 119 Ministries (and other Torah-observant Christians), Rastafari, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, Unitarian Universalists, Oneness Pentacostals, The Unification Church, Christadelphians, etc. are going to end up on this chart too.
As a British Quaker, it's a would be nice if the chart included a bit more of the Quakers in Britain (especially since that's where it's started!). It would be interesting to explore a bit more about what happened to the Friends in Britain since George Fox and how they evolved separately to Friends in the US. It would also be good to include bits about Friends outside of these two countries, like in Kenya, for instance - it would be a shame to reduce such a diverse group down to just those found in a single country. Besides that, I've really been enjoying this series so far!
And the American chart was extremely simplified....
Now, lets see -- for British Quakers, we have BYM, IYM, and the primitives; other than Ireland and GB being different groups -- very different groups... I guess the chart would have to be based on periods -- and I'm not sure I'd like to guess those dates; I'd leave that to specialists.
And are you aware why they are called..."Quakers"? A very charismatic group they were
+++ Yes! As someone from Pennsylvania, I was fascinated when I started learning about the differences and divergences of the British Quakers vs those that came to the US (and founded my state, essentially)
@@emilyniedbala Also instrumental in the conquest of the main British West Indian colony of Jamaica(1655),as the admiral of the invasion fleet Sir William Penn was the father/namesake of Pennsylvania's Quaker founder.
I second this! The quakers in Britain are fascinating and often deeply loving people
The Lollards: I was missing you! Good to see you recognised again.
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*NOT-SO-FUN FACTS:*
1. The Royal Charter of 1662 granted Connecticut coast-to-coast claims between the 41st and 42nd parallels north from the Long Island Sound all the way to the California North Coast (including big cities like Salt Lake City, Cheyenne, Lincoln, Omaha, Des Moines, Chicago, South Bend, Detroit, Toledo, most importantly Cleveland, Youngstown, Scranton and more importantly Wilkes-Barre). The Connecticut Western Reserve and the Pennamite-Yankee Wars are such perfect examples of those old coast-to-coast claims.
2. Even Massachusetts had coast-to-coast claims during colonial times, those lying between the 42nd and 44th parallels north. Thus, claiming most of Oregon, southern Idaho, a cut of Montana, most of Wyoming (including Casper), much of South Dakota, a sliver of northern Nebraska, southern Minnesota (including Rochester, Austin and Albert Lea), northern Iowa (including Mason City), southern Wisconsin (including Madison and Milwaukee) a bit of far northern Illinois (including Rockford), the southern half of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan (including Grand Rapids, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, Lansing, Jackson, Saginaw, Flint, Bay City, Midland and much of the Thumb counties save for the town of Port Austin), western Upstate New York and much of Vermont and New Hampshire. Massachusetts even had claimed southern Ontario, for Pete's sake!
France has 3 varieties of religion and 1000 varieties of cheese. America has 3 varieties of cheese and 1000 varieties of religion.
I can't wait when the chart is complete to buy this chart❤
I recommend adding the date the groups went extinct to the chart!
I've always thought it's interesting how the Quakers are often confused with the Amish. Maybe it's due to their shared pacifism, or the fact that both of them are associated with Pennsylvania, but I feel like the biggest reason of all might just be seeing the friendly-looking man dressed in colonial garb on your oatmeal box and assuming that all Quakers still dress like that...
I'm so excited for the poster to drop Matt, the work you're putting in is so impressive!!
maybe as a correction for the map at the top, but in Germany the Catholic Church is the largest Church with 21.6 million members in 2021 while all Protestant churches together have had 19.7 million members in 2021, so it should really be painted Catholic in the map, not Protestant
In the Lutheran section you should add Church of Finland, splitting from Church of Sweden in 1809 ( due to Finland changing hands from Sweden to Russia). At 3.7M members and state church status it should be large enough to be mentioned.
Great work otherwise, good luck trying to make a coherent graph once you get to 1900s and non-denominationals.
In 1540, the National Church (Iceland) separated from the Church of Denmark
I am quite enjoying this series but I am wondering when or if you will cover Unitarians, Nontrinitarians, & Antitrinitarians? Examples of these would be the Socinians from Poland.
Hi Matt, I want to second Benjamin's suggestion if you think this is possible. I'm not sure you necessarily need to spend a lot of time on the uua, but might be interesting to cover the origins of the universalists and the unitarians
Thanks! But what about the Iglesia Filipina Independiente?
I mentioned it at 4:12.
@@UsefulCharts Salamat! (Thanks!)
My mother's family is Mennonite, they settled in the US by way of Ukraine. I didn't know there were different kinds of Mennonite, but it's cool to see here.
My dad's family as well! 👋 , distant neighbor!
As a Baptist I’m hyped for the next episode
Same
14:01 I think one area that is missing is the congregations of 2 Missionary Churches in North America which formed from the Mennonites who embraced pietism and revivalism. The Missionary Church and the Evangelical Missionary Church of Canada are often forgot about but their 600+ congregations in North America are an important part of the Anabaptist fabric that exists today! Thanks Matt for another great video.
In Australia, we’re more catholic then Protestant this is due to most cities having more catholic schools vs Protestant
You should add the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, which is the state church of Finland, alongside the other Nordic Lutheran churches.
And Iceland!
Quakers set up Cadbury's Chocolate, Hershey's Chocolate and the Pocket Testament League.
Did the unitarian universalists get noted in Part 3? They looked like a new addition to me. I'm happy to see their inclusion regardless.
Yeah, I am glad we got included but disappointed we didn’t get mentioned because both halves of the church have interesting histories. From the old churches in Romania to present day, the UUC has always represented a radical approach to Christianity, faith and community.
@@TheWarrrenator, interesting that the two parts come from different traditions. I've been attracted to UUs, Anabaptists and Quakers, each from different traditions, but with a similar spirit or so it seems to me.
Will the independent catholic sacramental churches movement be included?
I love this kind of series. Thank you for spending the time to research it! It would be amazing if you could do a similar video for other religions. I’d love to see a video series on Jewish denominations/movements
I think he's doing these Christian groups by roughly when they were started. The two main groups being looked into in Part 5 (Baptists and Methodists) began in the 1700's. I think we'll see movements from the 1800's (Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, etc.) in Part 6, and those from the 1900's and later (Pentecostals, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) in Part 7.
I feel like all the Greek Catholic churches should be included in the chart, as they are all official, and equally valid, parts of Catholic Church (and I'm definitely not just saying this because I'm from Slovakia).
They are. Have you seen the previous episodes?
He said he only put the 10 largest Eastern Catholic churches in the chart for space reasons.
@@billyhw5492 yea I know, I just think he should add the rest, it's not like he's missing that many.
I cant wait for the second coming, then this tree can be slimmed down a bit
When discussing the Quakers, I was hoping you would bring up the Shakers. I know they are a small group, but they were an important part of the history of my area. These days, Shakers are nearly extinct, but they were more numerous in the past.
Huldrych Zwingli … connection with the reformed church?
Great! Would love to see the Avignon schism and more Gnostic and ante-Nicene detail represented :)
For Old Catholics, there is also the Union of Scranton, which the PNCC is part of. The Paulicians were Gnostics, not Armenian Apostolic.
He will explain the Paulicians, Bogomils, and Cathars next episode.
@usefulcharts Minor and somewhat pedantic correction; The Seventh-day Adventist Church uses a hyphen and doesn't capitalize "day." I'm a communication professional who used to work for the church headquarters and we were very particular about the naming convention. :)
Thanks! I'll fix it.
@@UsefulCharts Please note that the Seventh Day Baptists, on the other hand, do use a capital "D" without a hyphen. I look forward to seeing them included in your episode on Baptists :)
Please update the map to include the halaib triangle on Egypt's border
The podcast Dan Carlin's Hardcore History did cover a group of Anabaptists who took over the German town of Munster in the 1530s. They locked the town down and were planning on the imminent return of Christ. The town wound up starving and they were forced out by enemy soldiers sneaking in overnight. The leaders faced brutal execution and the cages their corpses were displayed in are still there as a warning to others.
There are also Amish groups that will use more technology than you would expect, although it varies by group, as most decisions are made by a local church official as far as what is permitted. For example the Amish I'm familiar with can use cell phones or electricity as long as it is ostensibly for their business, and they will also hire non-amish (Yankees as they call us) to drive them around.
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Why is the Catholic Church still the largest throughout Christianity?
😂 The Mormon movement would require an entire video.
99% belong to one denomination, but that other percent is really tangled.
What about National Association of Congregational Christian Churches (NACCC) Congregational Churches in this group
Or the CCCC.