I have a 2021 beta 250RR Race, and in New York its fully platable which growing up on 2 strokes as a kid riding on the street as well as the trails is too much fun , love the bike.
I have a 2019 Beta 200rr, after bleeding the clutch that’s when I noticed the squeal seem to more prominent. Can’t wait to hear what the fix might be. At the age of 68 and many bikes in the past this a has been a blast.
Just thought I’d give you a comment love your videos me and my son have just bought betas he’s got a 250 RR I have a beta ex trainer I’m 65 years old we love the betas the power spread from bottom and to top in power is much more than what we’re used to on previous dirt bikes the handling this suspension is fantastic we’re riding tight wood Basically we’re making our own trail through there also I want to mention I love the clutch action on the beta very forgiving and has great feel keep up the good work Tom Campbell Mid Missouri
I rode a 2023 200 RR in the woods last fall, I liked it. Bike felt like it had a small cockpit and was plenty easy to reach the ground, just did not feel like a full size bike, nothing bad about that but just was strange, suspension was not too bad and the engine was where it really shined. My 16 200 xcw had a very short low end torque curve then kind of flat with pleny up top and that setup is annoying in the cascade mountains where you are constantly up and down steep/sketchy single track all day. Beta 200 engine is awesome in my opinion at 200 pounds dry weight it towed me around great and had much more on the bottom and was smooth torque curve throughout. I think dude said he paid something like $7,800 new which is amazing. I would have purchased one but none were available.
Loving my 300 RR race like I do and hearing your positive review, despite the cost, it is so tempting to sell my 06 200 xc and upgrade to this guy. Awesome work buddy.
My "real" GasGas clutch squawks pretty good when you're revving too much for the gear you're in while slipping. Been doing it for over 350hrs on stock plates. Think it might be cause of aluminum plates maybe. Not really sure. Maybe it's just the compound of the fibers. Never hurts anything that I've seen, but definitely let's you know you're not in the right gear. 80w belray every 25 or so hrs and never looks dirty.
Excited to watch this series. Couldn't be happier to see you with a TBI 300 and the Beta 200. They are the two bikes on my short list. (New England style riding, mostly slow and technical). 👍
I'm in the exact same boat. Trying to decide between a Beta 200 and a TBI 300. This series should really help with that decision. @Highland Cycles, please include some comparisons between the two.
I rode this bike in an enduro I Michigan. Super tight trees and lots of roots and sand. I can't say I wpuld have been happier on my Husky 300. It think it would have been a ton more work and not really any more speed.
Both my '17 and '22 300rr RE came with the TPS on the Keihin. The bikes are wired up to accept the oil injector kit if you want add the kit. Beta also offers a race wiring loom that streamlines all of the wiring. Unfortunately it also deletes the odo/computer. The TPS delete is a kit you can buy from Beta. Some guys do that as it has a slightly easier throttle pull. Whatever... Never saw the need to change it out. Also my 300 has the clutch slave on the chain side. Also, the red plastic chain guide is a stock unit.
Super video Morgan, for the clutch, what about a slightly bigger oil crankcase for it, it should avoid a little bit the overheating ( just a suggestion, check the 300 oil clutch capacity ) have a great day
Yeah man I have the same bike and my clutch does the exact same thing. Im stoked you like the 200 man it’s so cool seeing you do a series on it! Im looking forward to seeing you open the clutch up and seeing what’s going on in there. 🤙🏻
Have a beta 300...so many revalves on the sachs shocks...even have the Lanier compression adj which helped a little but I fully agree the KYB shock would likely be a huge upgrade....really considering a beta 200 RE for my next bike
@@highlandcycles some people on some forums have had some success with Lanier comp adj and gold valve in the shock....but agreed may be easier and less time to go with something you know works well which is the kyb
Man I just got the 200 rr and I wish I had you to set it up properly, I'd like to do some performance mods on it but I'm still under warranty. I'm gonna ride hard this year and try and tweak on it as I go. Thanx for the videos man....
Awesome review, thanks for doing it.Just reaffirms my thoughts on the bike I believe the 200 is a great bike and in the right hands it is killer. Had 21 200RR race edition 21 and now a 22. Same K Tech insert (race gas version) JD Jet kit and especially needle change made it incredibly crisp. Cleanest carb bike I ever had. Holeshots are amazing. Have had the same squeal on both bikes so be curious if you can solve. Sounds worse than it is and never had a clutch failure of fault of any kind. Just annoying and you have to be slipping clutch a fair amount to get it to do that. I went to 14 front sprocket, for more technical riding and do like it better. Been playing with the power valve as of late to give it a little more low end. Almost got it. A tad cold here in NE but Spring is coming! Looking forward to more 200 content. DaveInPA
Love to see a lot more in detail on this bike always thought 2 hundreds are nice all around A good bike. There lighter and they still got bottom in and you Can Still rev them out like A 125
I love my 2-hundy. as for the clutch, oil type seems to play an important part on the squeal. My last oil change i went to Amsoil 4-stroke motorcycle oil and the noise disappeared. It was a wet clutch oil version. Just a thought.
I think I found out why the confusion and delivery with the 15 front sprocket on the 200, especially in the US. I checked the owner's manual (from 2020) and for all 2T Betas the taller gearing is under the "Europe" (street use) column and the shorter gearing beside it. BUT only for the 200 is mistakenly the other way around (14/49 for Europe and 15/49 otherwise). Also another info in the same table is that the internal gears are exactly the same as for the 125, and for the 125 the final "Race" gearing is 13/50 (and 13/45 for the street/"Europe"). Somebody to inform Beta about it... You will re-evaluate for the even better few things about the 200 when you try it second time on the same place with the 14 in front...
I heard that noise before you started talking about it when you were riding and thought what the heck was that... That would drive me crazy. Interested to see if you can figure out why it does that. I've always wanted to try a 200 for tight stuff. Sounds like its sweet ride!
The KTM 23 300 you've been riding sounds way nicer and when going through that chop, the KTM 300 goes through it like butter compared to the Beta which seemed messy and chattery.
i have a 23 200rr (standard) ive noticed the clutch gets noisy when hot but not soo much slipping, ive heard changing to a good dedicated gear oil like motul transoil expert 10w 40 etc and a good dot 5.1 clutch fluid can help with the slippage, im wondering if its something to do with the design/location of the slave cylinder on the 200s 🙅♂ either way absolutely love the bike, awesome motors in them 👌great vid 🤘
After one year + of ownership my 200rr has a “noisy” clutch for sure. I was told by my local beta guys that’s normal for the bike. I’m interested to hear how the 200 compares power wise to your 23 300.
at 15:00ish it sounds like the bike is cutting out down hills (see my videos on my channel of this exact issue) I cannot figure it out but i’d be curious to know if you’ve had the same problem. Sounds like it’s loading up but it’s not a carb issue because mine does it with the billetron and stock carb. it’s been very annoying and im going back and forth with beta about it.
This one is the carb. It’s jetted rich because of the RK Tek head. It is loading up. It cleans out like a normal rich carb. But it rips so we leave it. Not sure about yours. That is weird
There’s no obvious answer to the clutch squeal that I know of. I have a 2018 250 race edition with 400 hours on original clutch and yes it will let out a squeal on the gnarly stuff when I’m abusing it. Never has interfered with performance, just something I’ve gotten used to. I ride New England tight single track
I do not understand why after 3-4 years they still supply a 15 teeth front sprocket with this bike in US... The 14/49 is a much better combination on the 200.... Try it for the next ride...
Is this the ultimate beginner enduro or wife bike ? Aka is this the easiest full sized bike to handle on single track ? Looking at this : ruclips.net/video/6Ij9PiehENA/видео.html But maybe the 200 is easier to ride and safer ? The market has been seriously lacking a quality beginner enduro bike that’s light weight and mild mannered…. And with RUclipsrs like you my wife is finding out how fun my Sunday afternoons are 😂
the beta xtrainer is ideal for beginners/novices and is marketed for that purpose, despite having a 300cc engine its detuned quite a bit compared to the 300 in the rr models, it has softer suspension, which again is more suited for slower/novice riders and offers more comfort too, its also lower and shorter than rr models, a really good popular trail bike for beginners, deffo worth looking into, they get a lot of praise and still share things from the rr models, the 200rr will be a lot more "racier" compared to the xtrainer,
It’s great to hear someone that rides the 2t’s across the board and get a positive review for the Beta.
Cheers
It’s a great bike
I have a 2021 beta 250RR Race, and in New York its fully platable which growing up on 2 strokes as a kid riding on the street as well as the trails is too much fun , love the bike.
Just the right amount of yaking and riding! Hate when I see a review and its just 20 min of helmet cam. Good job Morgan.
Thanks
Yes my200rr clutch squeels like a pig, just so glad you got your hands on one, youll figure it out for us
That is the goal
I picked up a 22 250 rr race and I like it so far. Haven't had a chance to really get out on it too much. Excited to watch this series!
I have a 2019 Beta 200rr, after bleeding the clutch that’s when I noticed the squeal seem to more prominent. Can’t wait to hear what the fix might be. At the age of 68 and many bikes in the past this a has been a blast.
Just thought I’d give you a comment love your videos me and my son have just bought betas he’s got a 250 RR I have a beta ex trainer I’m 65 years old we love the betas the power spread from bottom and to top in power is much more than what we’re used to on previous dirt bikes the handling this suspension is fantastic we’re riding tight wood Basically we’re making our own trail through there also I want to mention I love the clutch action on the beta very forgiving and has great feel keep up the good work Tom Campbell Mid Missouri
I rode a 2023 200 RR in the woods last fall, I liked it. Bike felt like it had a small cockpit and was plenty easy to reach the ground, just did not feel like a full size bike, nothing bad about that but just was strange, suspension was not too bad and the engine was where it really shined. My 16 200 xcw had a very short low end torque curve then kind of flat with pleny up top and that setup is annoying in the cascade mountains where you are constantly up and down steep/sketchy single track all day.
Beta 200 engine is awesome in my opinion at 200 pounds dry weight it towed me around great and had much more on the bottom and was smooth torque curve throughout. I think dude said he paid something like $7,800 new which is amazing.
I would have purchased one but none were available.
Good video Morgan. I've heard the beta 200rr is an excellent bike the technical stuff. Thank you for sharing looking forward to the next videos 🤘🤘
Thanks for watching!
@@highlandcycles you're welcome I try to watch every one that you put out
I'm super glad to see a modern 200 after ktm quit making them. I loved my ktm 200s
Recently found your YT channel. You are my kind of party!
Awesome
Loving my 300 RR race like I do and hearing your positive review, despite the cost, it is so tempting to sell my 06 200 xc and upgrade to this guy. Awesome work buddy.
Thanks. It really is a great bike.
Sweet drone footage.
Thanks 👍
Love my ktm 200 but I am wanting to update and really want electric start! I'm excited to watch your videos and your commentary on this bike!
My "real" GasGas clutch squawks pretty good when you're revving too much for the gear you're in while slipping. Been doing it for over 350hrs on stock plates. Think it might be cause of aluminum plates maybe. Not really sure. Maybe it's just the compound of the fibers. Never hurts anything that I've seen, but definitely let's you know you're not in the right gear. 80w belray every 25 or so hrs and never looks dirty.
Excited to watch this series. Couldn't be happier to see you with a TBI 300 and the Beta 200. They are the two bikes on my short list. (New England style riding, mostly slow and technical). 👍
Glad you like them!
I'm in the exact same boat. Trying to decide between a Beta 200 and a TBI 300. This series should really help with that decision. @Highland Cycles, please include some comparisons between the two.
I rode this bike in an enduro I Michigan. Super tight trees and lots of roots and sand. I can't say I wpuld have been happier on my Husky 300. It think it would have been a ton more work and not really any more speed.
@@garrettanderson7803 Good information. Thanks.
The clutch might do better with some stouter springs. If it’s using aluminum plates I’d replace them with steel plates if they’re available
I think I figured it out. Stay tuned
Both my '17 and '22 300rr RE came with the TPS on the Keihin. The bikes are wired up to accept the oil injector kit if you want add the kit. Beta also offers a race wiring loom that streamlines all of the wiring. Unfortunately it also deletes the odo/computer. The TPS delete is a kit you can buy from Beta. Some guys do that as it has a slightly easier throttle pull. Whatever... Never saw the need to change it out. Also my 300 has the clutch slave on the chain side. Also, the red plastic chain guide is a stock unit.
Thanks for the info
This one also came setup like that. I removed it to improve the throttle feel.
Super video Morgan, for the clutch, what about a slightly bigger oil crankcase for it, it should avoid a little bit the overheating ( just a suggestion, check the 300 oil clutch capacity ) have a great day
Thanks for the tip!
Especially love this series of videos, Looking to buy the 23 version of this bike. Thanks 👍👍
Yeah man I have the same bike and my clutch does the exact same thing. Im stoked you like the 200 man it’s so cool seeing you do a series on it! Im looking forward to seeing you open the clutch up and seeing what’s going on in there. 🤙🏻
Stay tuned I think I figured it out
@@highlandcycles the Two Stroke gods smile down upon you my friend 🫡💨🤘🏻
Have a beta 300...so many revalves on the sachs shocks...even have the Lanier compression adj which helped a little but I fully agree the KYB shock would likely be a huge upgrade....really considering a beta 200 RE for my next bike
Yeah, I am going to try to talk him into the kyb shock
@@highlandcycles some people on some forums have had some success with Lanier comp adj and gold valve in the shock....but agreed may be easier and less time to go with something you know works well which is the kyb
This bike is awesome! Can’t wait to see more on this series. Well all the video series your going to be putting out. 🤟🏻
Yea I heard that clutch noise a couple of times
Yep. I think I might have it solved
@@highlandcycles what was the solve for this?
Man I just got the 200 rr and I wish I had you to set it up properly, I'd like to do some performance mods on it but I'm still under warranty. I'm gonna ride hard this year and try and tweak on it as I go. Thanx for the videos man....
You bet
Awesome review, thanks for doing it.Just reaffirms my thoughts on the bike I believe the 200 is a great bike and in the right hands it is killer. Had 21 200RR race edition 21 and now a 22. Same K Tech insert (race gas version) JD Jet kit and especially needle change made it incredibly crisp. Cleanest carb bike I ever had. Holeshots are amazing. Have had the same squeal on both bikes so be curious if you can solve. Sounds worse than it is and never had a clutch failure of fault of any kind. Just annoying and you have to be slipping clutch a fair amount to get it to do that.
I went to 14 front sprocket, for more technical riding and do like it better. Been playing with the power valve as of late to give it a little more low end. Almost got it. A tad cold here in NE but Spring is coming! Looking forward to more 200 content. DaveInPA
I have heard that about the clutches. No issues, just annoying. I really like the bike though.
Love to see a lot more in detail on this bike always thought 2 hundreds are nice all around A good bike. There lighter and they still got bottom in and you Can Still rev them out like A 125
Probably the best looking stock bike! I wish KTM still made the 200😢
Agree
Great review plastics on Beta seem brittle my mate has one replaced several front fenders snap like carrots👍
Good to know!
I love my 2-hundy. as for the clutch, oil type seems to play an important part on the squeal. My last oil change i went to Amsoil 4-stroke motorcycle oil and the noise disappeared. It was a wet clutch oil version. Just a thought.
I think I figured the root problem out.
@@highlandcycles Great!!! I'm interested in what you find.
I think I found out why the confusion and delivery with the 15 front sprocket on the 200, especially in the US. I checked the owner's manual (from 2020) and for all 2T Betas the taller gearing is under the "Europe" (street use) column and the shorter gearing beside it. BUT only for the 200 is mistakenly the other way around (14/49 for Europe and 15/49 otherwise). Also another info in the same table is that the internal gears are exactly the same as for the 125, and for the 125 the final "Race" gearing is 13/50 (and 13/45 for the street/"Europe"). Somebody to inform Beta about it... You will re-evaluate for the even better few things about the 200 when you try it second time on the same place with the 14 in front...
15/49 is stock sounds like you do use a gear high and slip that clutch a bit.
I'm really interested in hearing about the clutch. I considered a 200 beta but the clutch made me reconsider.
Honestly it doesn't really effect performance. It's mostly just a small annoyance.
Great video, love this bike, already tried to buy it a few times, but got better deals on other brand bikes (Gasgas/Rieju).
I have a 2022 200 RE and it has the clutch squeal when you slip it, haven't found a cure, look forward to seeing what you come up with.
The clutch can be adjusted
I've gone 1 tooth lower on the front on all my betas. 2t and 4t.
I heard that noise before you started talking about it when you were riding and thought what the heck was that... That would drive me crazy. Interested to see if you can figure out why it does that. I've always wanted to try a 200 for tight stuff. Sounds like its sweet ride!
It’s great.
The KTM 23 300 you've been riding sounds way nicer and when going through that chop, the KTM 300 goes through it like butter compared to the Beta which seemed messy and chattery.
I agree. But that thing is a special kind of awesome
i have a 23 200rr (standard) ive noticed the clutch gets noisy when hot but not soo much slipping, ive heard changing to a good dedicated gear oil like motul transoil expert 10w 40 etc and a good dot 5.1 clutch fluid can help with the slippage, im wondering if its something to do with the design/location of the slave cylinder on the 200s 🙅♂ either way absolutely love the bike, awesome motors in them 👌great vid 🤘
I think I have it solved. It has to do with the way the clutch is designed. It’s different from all the ones that have the actuator on the other side.
After one year + of ownership my 200rr has a “noisy” clutch for sure. I was told by my local beta guys that’s normal for the bike. I’m interested to hear how the 200 compares power wise to your 23 300.
Uh... Nothing compares to the 23 300 honestly. The 200 is rad and definitely a great bike but that is apples and oranges
@@highlandcycles I'd be more interested to hear how it compares power wise to say a TE150i
Dang, I was hoping you’d say it’s kinda close 🤣
I’ll keep saving for a 300 I guess…
@@highlandcycles Also interested how it compares to the 150i/tpi??? Weight/mid torque/handling. Rad stuff Morgan!
@@highlandcycles Wow Thats a statement!
I ended up selling my 2022 RE 200 and going back to a 300 because of clutch issues 😖
Bummer
at 15:00ish it sounds like the bike is cutting out down hills (see my videos on my channel of this exact issue) I cannot figure it out but i’d be curious to know if you’ve had the same problem. Sounds like it’s loading up but it’s not a carb issue because mine does it with the billetron and stock carb. it’s been very annoying and im going back and forth with beta about it.
This one is the carb. It’s jetted rich because of the RK Tek head. It is loading up. It cleans out like a normal rich carb. But it rips so we leave it. Not sure about yours. That is weird
What ever happened to the chinnese carb ?
Stay tuned
Still sounds kinda lean mid to top. Not terribly but seems like it wants more fuel
Hard to tell via RUclips but it’s pretty good. I know the owner has tried lots of jets and he feels this is the best
I recently rode a 250rr racing with a SmartCarb, wow what a ripper..
@@highlandcycles I was gonna say idk tho being it’s on here it’s hard to actually tell unless it’s really outta wack
The obvious answer for the clutch is Rotella, non synthetic.
Motor oil does not have a GL 4 rating...use Motorcycle rated transmission oil...Gl 4 or even GL 5 rated Redline lightweight shock proof...
Rotella t4 has the wet clutch rating
There’s no obvious answer to the clutch squeal that I know of.
I have a 2018 250 race edition with 400 hours on original clutch and yes it will let out a squeal on the gnarly stuff when I’m abusing it. Never has interfered with performance, just something I’ve gotten used to.
I ride New England tight single track
@@benselby6171shell rotella it is, T4 and it must say jaso ma 😂
@@jrdumond8999 Hey JR been looking for a riding buddy that can ride Friday or Saturday’s. Would like to get together if you’re up for it
Do you think you’ll buy a Beta anytime soon?
Probably not soon but I do like them
How does the low end grunt compare to a 300?
Less of course but very good.
I do not understand why after 3-4 years they still supply a 15 teeth front sprocket with this bike in US... The 14/49 is a much better combination on the 200.... Try it for the next ride...
I hear ya. Seems crazy
I thought the 14 on my '22 300rr re was crazy till I rode the bike. I really don't want or need any lower gearing. Stock works really good.
My 23 200 came with 2 front sprokets, 14 and a 15
@@highlandcycles The clutch also will be less taxed with the 14 ...
@@LeonidasYZ250 totally
If you ain't two strokin your jokin
15/49!?
I know
I'm 14/51 on my 22 430 RE and I wish I'd gone 52 for the tight rocky stuff
Is this the ultimate beginner enduro or wife bike ? Aka is this the easiest full sized bike to handle on single track ?
Looking at this : ruclips.net/video/6Ij9PiehENA/видео.html
But maybe the 200 is easier to ride and safer ?
The market has been seriously lacking a quality beginner enduro bike that’s light weight and mild mannered…. And with RUclipsrs like you my wife is finding out how fun my Sunday afternoons are 😂
the beta xtrainer is ideal for beginners/novices and is marketed for that purpose, despite having a 300cc engine its detuned quite a bit compared to the 300 in the rr models, it has softer suspension, which again is more suited for slower/novice riders and offers more comfort too, its also lower and shorter than rr models, a really good popular trail bike for beginners, deffo worth looking into, they get a lot of praise and still share things from the rr models, the 200rr will be a lot more "racier" compared to the xtrainer,