Can't finish until later, gotta go. I used the 30 carb on the 35 intake, beveled the the back throat of the carb with a dremel and emory, used the 35 jets, low-speed needle, 21 pitch. On a 15' fiberglass, factory weight of 459 lb, 2 eight foot castnet buckets, 35 lb tacklebox, 5gal baitbucket full of water, me @240+lb, StingRay on outboard, stands it on it's trail then straight to plane @ 31mph in 5-6 seconds, back 10 inches skimming the water with no side spray. I've a vid somewhere I took for a doubter.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! I'm using a 93 30 carb, it's hollow straight through, replaced the 67D jet with a 72D. Put the 30/35 (same part number) intake on, 10x14 new prop. Reset wot timing using the Joe Reeves method and seemed to loose power. I think that's the problem although the set screw looks to be where I originally set (eyeballed) it. I think something got screwed up there. It was much quicker with the 25 intake. I'll figure it out.
Generally, the weeds get killed way back each winter and then it takes them all summer (and early fall) to reach their max. This time of year should be the worst of it.
You increased the size of the intake which gives you more air. Adjust the fuel screw to add more fuel or increase timing. Is the timing mechanical or is it controlled electronically? If it is electronic then the adjustment maybe limited. You need to put more weight on the front of that boat to give it more balance. Take few to just go fishing- chill.😊
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Thats the proper intake to match the carb, it's getting more than enough fuel with the larger high speed jet I put in. I believe its a WOT timing issue after I readjusted it using the Joe Reeves Method, something isn't right. It should be much quicker than it was. Unfortunately with that boat, there's no way I can set the WOT timing with a timing light, ripping across the lake. Hahaha I can barely hang on as it is! Thanks again & Stay tuned !
I ran a 1978 Johnson 35hp (stock) on a wooden vee hull (200lbs me 225lbs) @ 46 mph plus. Motor lower unit mid section 1 1/2” below the pad. Turned 10x18 5800rpm. I’ve tried to load pictures with no success.
Don't know if this will help you or not, but here goes........... I've got a 1988 bone stock 30hp (not 35) Evinrude with a stainless 10X15 OMC prop, on a 15' SeaArk Jon that weighs 350 pounds + me (225), plus battery, plus gas tank, plus anchor. With my Meilan Mini GPS I'm showing 32mph. I had my son clock me in his boat (running along side at same speed) with a phone app; it also showed 32mph. I totally agree with you about the little Whaler boats - they are miserable to ride in. We used to say, "best built, worst designed boat" - except they really are not even that. Even the transom is curved to make mounting a motor more difficult. And the thin outer shell can easily crack and then they become water-logged. The seating is very miserable, unless you enjoy resting your chin on your knees.......... But, you LOOK cool - sort of like riding in a CJ-5 Jeep. I get 23mph with an old 1958 Johnson 18, and 27mph with an old (small) 22 cubic inch 1972 25hp. Thanks for another video.
your 30hp is POWERHEAD rated the old 35 was prop. it also has champered exhaust ports and a different tuner. makes more power 100%. the 1992-up or so had a nicer muffler much quiter too.
All Johnson/Evinrude 25/30/35/38 have the same powerhead, carb and intake is the only thing that changes horsepower with the powerhead. Your speed is about right compared to mine on my smallest boat. I commented earlier about it.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Yes, I would agree, 25-27 should be right on with a 25 hp depending on year/weight. And yes! Absolutely miserable boat to ride in! Hahaha especially in any chop/wind. Not for me! But you do look cool! Hahaha thanks again !
They do not have the same powerhead. 35 Powerhead, (cyl & crankcase #391166), has bigger, more open "bridge ports"; 25-30 powerheads, (cyl & crankcase #390430), have "finger ports". Last year the 35 was listed for sale in the line-up was 1984. After that, it was shown in the parts books but no one has ever seen one, except perhaps a surplus military version - I've never seen the porting on one of those.@@Ray56z
About the only difference in the tuner is the water tube guide (all one-piece metal vs older with separate phenolic guide, part 321513) and a slight change to the power head water drainage. There's no real improvement to the exhaust flow. The true, rated 35 (1984 & earlier) has "bridge port" designed intake ports, block part #391166, vs "finger ports" in the 25-30 block, part #390430. I have two 1988 30's and one 1984 35, and the 35 definitely makes more power; quite noticeable.@@ct1762
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! No I've checked it, same part number for both. I've been asking if someone could tell me what makes the 35 a 35? I've checked both schematics for the 93 and can't find any differences in anything. Crazy!
@@fastwin493 Hey. What's "probably" making the difference to me is like underwear at a thrift store. I'm not buying it! Hehehehee. I want to see hard evidence, like part numbers, ect. RI Outboards says, and he seems to knows his stuff, that the difference is one is hp rated at the powerhead and the other is rated at the prop, but I'm not buying that either. Powerhead and prop rating is only a couple hp difference not 5.? Anyway the good thing about all this is I'm always learning. And that makes it great! Thanks for tuning in!
@@fastwin493 yes I know all that, that's how the 28, 48, 88 & 112 hp's came about, re-rated at the prop from 30, 50, 90 & 115 hp. Ok 3 hp on the 115 but never heard/read a 5 hp drop on any omc. I've had a couple of merc 9.8's. Fun little outboards. I don't know what competitors outboards the 9.8's were out performing but I'll tell you they couldn't hold a candle to an omc 18-20 hp, that's laughable, and I'll take the 15 any day! Anyway the 35's for me were always a different beast, always seem to be long shaft remotes for some reason so I always stayed away from them until I came across the 1990 30 short shaft tiller, man I just had to have it, never seen one before. Not a big difference from a 25 but just cool. I still remember dragging it out of the van, man that thing was heavy! Hahaha its always amazed me how the older 70's 25's would push my dura-craft 25+ mph, then the 80's 25's, bigger, heavier, beefier but still push my boat around 25. Now we're coming into the 90's old outboards, parts motors, that's like a new outboard for me! Hahaha but I luv it! Thanks again !
Could the smaller intake cause air to travel faster inside creating some kind of ram effect which in turn, would provide faster acceleration ? Besides, a flat bottom boat will provide stability up to the point it planes, at that point, you need your hull to have some vee to properly track and not be bounced around.Finally, « pain in the grass » is a delightful and perfectly descriptive expression. Regards !
Hey. You got me with that one. I'm leaning back towards readjusting the wot timing using the joe reeves method. Wasnt sure if it could be done on a 25/30 so I searched it and sure enough I found a guy on iboats that did it with a 92-93 30hp and the same thing happened to him, he lost speed. Bottom line was the only way he could get it back to normal was to set it back to 30 degrees while running full throttle using the timing light. There's no way I can do that. I can barely hang on as it is. Plus you'd never see that light in the sun unless I get one of those new brighter lights. It would be suicide! According to Joe Reeves, the timing method should work on any omc outboard up to 1991. 1991 was the year he retired so he said he can't vouch for anything after that. But my power head is an 89, with all the goodies from a 93 30/35. So I've gotta figure this one out. Thanks again !
The thing that is critical on all the examples is the rpms.Some of those motors may blow up if they keep those speeds up for too many trips.I can get 30mph with me on a calm lake 1440 Lowe and fishing gear.But rpms are way over spec.
a 35hp is the same as a 1985 and up 30hp. ones powerhead, other is propshaft rated. that 13' ive run tons of them at 32-34mph with a stainless 15'' prop... that one probably has a couple hundred lbs of water in the foam or a bad hook in the hull from sitting on the wrong (too small) trailer for 40 years? i dunno. a real dog. throttle plate exactly horizontal at WOT? just hit it with a timing light at WOT on the water if your not seeing what you want with static/joe reeves method. its got a battery and everything wont take you but 3 minutes. also if you have a spare prop, just cut 1'' horizontally off each blade. it will run quite happily to 5000 tied to the dock. then you can clean some weeds out while your at it:) cheers buddy.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Yeah plate is level. There's no way I can set that thing with a timing light on the lake doing 30! I can barely hang on and run a video camera as it is! Hahaha maybe two people but its going to be hard to see the light. So you're saying cut an old prop and tie it to the dock to set the timing? I've heard of that but not the cutting the prop down part.
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 yessir! cut a junk one down 1/2'' 1st if thats too much thrust cut her down 3/4-1''. but heres my issue with your issue: the 20-35hp motors all used right around 28 degrees at WOT. why this would change on your motor im not sure unless its been messed with? id make sure you dont have an air leak somewhere... did i see you re-use the intake man. gasket? no big deal but might be a clue!
Love these old outboard engines, reminds me of cod fishing with my grandfather..keep up with the videos..great job..I can smell the 2 stroke oil now.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in!
THANKS FOR THEW PLUG!!! hahah WOOHHOOO
Hahaha He's alive!
Cold??!! Lol 😆, it was 38 in Michigan yesterday! For the high! Hahaha 😂
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Hahaha. 38 no thanks !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 what!!?? No like ice fishing 🎣 🥶🥶?? 😆
@@ALVintageOutboards Hahaha the only ice I want to see is in my cooler! thx
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 with coldbeers! 🍺 🍻
Can't finish until later, gotta go. I used the 30 carb on the 35 intake, beveled the the back throat of the carb with a dremel and emory, used the 35 jets, low-speed needle, 21 pitch.
On a 15' fiberglass, factory weight of 459 lb, 2 eight foot castnet buckets, 35 lb tacklebox, 5gal baitbucket full of water, me @240+lb, StingRay on outboard, stands it on it's trail then straight to plane @ 31mph in 5-6 seconds, back 10 inches skimming the water with no side spray. I've a vid somewhere I took for a doubter.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! I'm using a 93 30 carb, it's hollow straight through, replaced the 67D jet with a 72D. Put the 30/35 (same part number) intake on, 10x14 new prop. Reset wot timing using the Joe Reeves method and seemed to loose power. I think that's the problem although the set screw looks to be where I originally set (eyeballed) it. I think something got screwed up there. It was much quicker with the 25 intake. I'll figure it out.
Thanks for keeping at it! Is there anything the county can do about the weeds in that lake?
Generally, the weeds get killed way back each winter and then it takes them all summer (and early fall) to reach their max. This time of year should be the worst of it.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! I was asking the same thing! I don't have a clue!
Definitely weeds!
Thanks for tuning in!
Mowing the lake.
Hahaha that's what it feels like! Thanks for tuning in!
You increased the size of the intake which gives you more air. Adjust the fuel screw to add more fuel or increase timing. Is the timing mechanical or is it controlled electronically? If it is electronic then the adjustment maybe limited. You need to put more weight on the front of that boat to give it more balance. Take few to just go fishing- chill.😊
fixed high speed nothing to adjust! and no, you can crank the timing up so high it scatters a piston. easy.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Thats the proper intake to match the carb, it's getting more than enough fuel with the larger high speed jet I put in. I believe its a WOT timing issue after I readjusted it using the Joe Reeves Method, something isn't right. It should be much quicker than it was. Unfortunately with that boat, there's no way I can set the WOT timing with a timing light, ripping across the lake. Hahaha I can barely hang on as it is! Thanks again & Stay tuned !
@@ct1762 Shattering a piston. Sounds like good content for TOO.
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 I was channeling Homer Simpson there. The screw only gives low speed adjustment. Just drill out the jet.😄
Hey old outboard guy what brand and size is your bimini top .looks perfect size and setup for my 14foot g-3john boat?snooky pa.😅
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! I don't have a clue. It's not my boat it belongs to my neighbor I'm just using it to test run my motor.
I ran a 1978 Johnson 35hp (stock) on a wooden vee hull (200lbs me 225lbs) @ 46 mph plus. Motor lower unit mid section 1 1/2” below the pad. Turned 10x18 5800rpm. I’ve tried to load pictures with no success.
Wow. Thanks for tuning in!
Don't know if this will help you or not, but here goes...........
I've got a 1988 bone stock 30hp (not 35) Evinrude with a stainless 10X15 OMC prop, on a 15' SeaArk Jon that weighs 350 pounds + me (225), plus battery, plus gas tank, plus anchor. With my Meilan Mini GPS I'm showing 32mph. I had my son clock me in his boat (running along side at same speed) with a phone app; it also showed 32mph.
I totally agree with you about the little Whaler boats - they are miserable to ride in. We used to say, "best built, worst designed boat" - except they really are not even that. Even the transom is curved to make mounting a motor more difficult. And the thin outer shell can easily crack and then they become water-logged. The seating is very miserable, unless you enjoy resting your chin on your knees.......... But, you LOOK cool - sort of like riding in a CJ-5 Jeep. I get 23mph with an old 1958 Johnson 18, and 27mph with an old (small) 22 cubic inch 1972 25hp. Thanks for another video.
your 30hp is POWERHEAD rated the old 35 was prop. it also has champered exhaust ports and a different tuner. makes more power 100%. the 1992-up or so had a nicer muffler much quiter too.
All Johnson/Evinrude 25/30/35/38 have the same powerhead, carb and intake is the only thing that changes horsepower with the powerhead.
Your speed is about right compared to mine on my smallest boat. I commented earlier about it.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Yes, I would agree, 25-27 should be right on with a 25 hp depending on year/weight. And yes! Absolutely miserable boat to ride in! Hahaha especially in any chop/wind. Not for me! But you do look cool! Hahaha thanks again !
They do not have the same powerhead. 35 Powerhead, (cyl & crankcase #391166), has bigger, more open "bridge ports"; 25-30 powerheads, (cyl & crankcase #390430), have "finger ports". Last year the 35 was listed for sale in the line-up was 1984. After that, it was shown in the parts books but no one has ever seen one, except perhaps a surplus military version - I've never seen the porting on one of those.@@Ray56z
About the only difference in the tuner is the water tube guide (all one-piece metal vs older with separate phenolic guide, part 321513) and a slight change to the power head water drainage. There's no real improvement to the exhaust flow. The true, rated 35 (1984 & earlier) has "bridge port" designed intake ports, block part #391166, vs "finger ports" in the 25-30 block, part #390430. I have two 1988 30's and one 1984 35, and the 35 definitely makes more power; quite noticeable.@@ct1762
I think the exhaust tube is bigger on the 35hp as you are moving more air.
yes, this guy is right needing the 35hp exhaust tube.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! No I've checked it, same part number for both. I've been asking if someone could tell me what makes the 35 a 35? I've checked both schematics for the 93 and can't find any differences in anything. Crazy!
Nope. They are the same.
@@fastwin493 Hey. What's "probably" making the difference to me is like underwear at a thrift store. I'm not buying it! Hehehehee. I want to see hard evidence, like part numbers, ect. RI Outboards says, and he seems to knows his stuff, that the difference is one is hp rated at the powerhead and the other is rated at the prop, but I'm not buying that either. Powerhead and prop rating is only a couple hp difference not 5.? Anyway the good thing about all this is I'm always learning. And that makes it great! Thanks for tuning in!
@@fastwin493 yes I know all that, that's how the 28, 48, 88 & 112 hp's came about, re-rated at the prop from 30, 50, 90 & 115 hp. Ok 3 hp on the 115 but never heard/read a 5 hp drop on any omc. I've had a couple of merc 9.8's. Fun little outboards. I don't know what competitors outboards the 9.8's were out performing but I'll tell you they couldn't hold a candle to an omc 18-20 hp, that's laughable, and I'll take the 15 any day! Anyway the 35's for me were always a different beast, always seem to be long shaft remotes for some reason so I always stayed away from them until I came across the 1990 30 short shaft tiller, man I just had to have it, never seen one before. Not a big difference from a 25 but just cool. I still remember dragging it out of the van, man that thing was heavy! Hahaha its always amazed me how the older 70's 25's would push my dura-craft 25+ mph, then the 80's 25's, bigger, heavier, beefier but still push my boat around 25. Now we're coming into the 90's old outboards, parts motors, that's like a new outboard for me! Hahaha but I luv it! Thanks again !
Could the smaller intake cause air to travel faster inside creating some kind of ram effect which in turn, would provide faster acceleration ? Besides, a flat bottom boat will provide stability up to the point it planes, at that point, you need your hull to have some vee to properly track and not be bounced around.Finally, « pain in the grass » is a delightful and perfectly descriptive expression. Regards !
Hey. You got me with that one. I'm leaning back towards readjusting the wot timing using the joe reeves method. Wasnt sure if it could be done on a 25/30 so I searched it and sure enough I found a guy on iboats that did it with a 92-93 30hp and the same thing happened to him, he lost speed. Bottom line was the only way he could get it back to normal was to set it back to 30 degrees while running full throttle using the timing light. There's no way I can do that. I can barely hang on as it is. Plus you'd never see that light in the sun unless I get one of those new brighter lights. It would be suicide! According to Joe Reeves, the timing method should work on any omc outboard up to 1991. 1991 was the year he retired so he said he can't vouch for anything after that. But my power head is an 89, with all the goodies from a 93 30/35. So I've gotta figure this one out. Thanks again !
My 13’ whaler with a Suzuki 30 tiller does 30mph so hang on tight 😂!
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Yeah I should be doing 30 +. I'll figure it out! Thanks again !
Yeah Baby! @@THISOLDOUTBOARD1
The thing that is critical on all the examples is the rpms.Some of those motors may blow up if they keep those speeds up for too many trips.I can get 30mph with me on a calm lake 1440 Lowe and fishing gear.But rpms are way over spec.
were did you hear these bulletproof motors "may blow up" after a long high speed run?
Not sure if you are being sarcastic but I didn’t say after “one” run. I said after many and I will add after prolonged running at outrageous rpm’s.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Hopefully that's not the case with this outboard. It sounds pretty good. Thanks again !
Sounds like you could use a prop with more pitch. Heck, ANY motor will blow if continuously over-revved indefinitely..........
a 35hp is the same as a 1985 and up 30hp. ones powerhead, other is propshaft rated. that 13' ive run tons of them at 32-34mph with a stainless 15'' prop... that one probably has a couple hundred lbs of water in the foam or a bad hook in the hull from sitting on the wrong (too small) trailer for 40 years? i dunno. a real dog. throttle plate exactly horizontal at WOT? just hit it with a timing light at WOT on the water if your not seeing what you want with static/joe reeves method. its got a battery and everything wont take you but 3 minutes. also if you have a spare prop, just cut 1'' horizontally off each blade. it will run quite happily to 5000 tied to the dock. then you can clean some weeds out while your at it:) cheers buddy.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Yeah plate is level. There's no way I can set that thing with a timing light on the lake doing 30! I can barely hang on and run a video camera as it is! Hahaha maybe two people but its going to be hard to see the light. So you're saying cut an old prop and tie it to the dock to set the timing? I've heard of that but not the cutting the prop down part.
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 yessir! cut a junk one down 1/2'' 1st if thats too much thrust cut her down 3/4-1''. but heres my issue with your issue: the 20-35hp motors all used right around 28 degrees at WOT. why this would change on your motor im not sure unless its been messed with? id make sure you dont have an air leak somewhere... did i see you re-use the intake man. gasket? no big deal but might be a clue!
How come 27 on land feels feels slow a 💩, but 27 on the water feels like a 100…🤣
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Hahaha I've been saying that for years!
BEEFY BABY
Hey. Thanks for tuning in!