What if the Soviet Union defeated Poland in 1920?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- During the Russian Civil War, Poland and the Soviet Union had a brief war, where Poland managed to claim some territory.
What if the opposite happened and the Soviet Union defeated Poland swiftly?
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Soviets would annex Poland since they already have declared Polish Soviet Socialist Republic when entering Poland
What? They invaded Poland and not PSSR
PSSR was never even created
@@Kenzi2731 yes but they declared puppet goverment of PSSR during their invasion
I think they would make poland a puppet like Mongolia
That’s not annexing that’s making it their puppet
@@imposteramogus2167 it is annexing. It's like you are saying that Russian Soviet Socialist Republic wasn't part of USSR but just it's puppet.
I think some of my brain cells died after watching this video.
You're right
Why?
I love how the Poles not being annexed and Trotsky coming into power can possibly destroy 💀 Germany.
it won't destroy Germany, it would actually make it win since the communists would be seen as agressors
Stalis because his paranoid killed a lot of good generals
A large portion of the vehicles used by Germany during the invasion of Poland were Czech, without the Czech Industry and territory, and the Soviets behind their back, Poland would’ve easily defended against the Germans.
@GhostVII you also forgot to mention german air and artillery support
@@GhostVII poles could’ve mobilized more than 2 million were it not for France and the UK telling them not to since they thought that would aggravate the Germans.
Soviets absolutely would annex Poland, look at ukraine, belarus, kaukasus and others that got annexed, why would Poland be any different? Soviets wanted russian empires lands, why would they spare Poland, especially when we were the ones attacking
that would trigger the entente and probably make the situation in already unstable soviet Russia even worse. so making a satellite Poland or just annexing east of Poland is a much better idea. or make Poland a new SSR. anyway I don't want any beef with poles, why can't we be friends?
@@antwerp-six look at what happend 13 years later, entente allowed the germans to do everything that they weren't allowed to, how would entente change literally anything? By annexing I mean making it an SSR (beacuse lets be honest, moscow controlled literally everything about all SSRs anyway) like ukrainian, georgian etc.
@@antwerp-six and Russia already established Polish SSR on occupied Polish lands at the time, there is literally no reason for the soviets to not annex Poland
@@Sidneymoch they still wanted to attack and establish communist state in germany, Poland was on a way
Then like I said they wanted lands of russian empire
And once again, Poland was the aggresor
@@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508 that's because entente feared the communism more, than nazis. their appeasement policy only worked for germany, because they did not fear it's ideology yet (unlike communism). i guess that's it
Great video, but before the Miracle of the Vistula, the soviets wanted to “export” the revolution into Germany and even France. To liberate the proletarians. They wanted to attack the weak Germany after Poland. After the unsuccessful attack near Warsaw, the “Socialism is one country” quote/motto was adopted in the Soviet Union
What do you mean after Poland, they didn't start that war
@@realaurorien After the soviets finished with Poland, they wanted to attack Germany.
@@Marcuslxrd and it would have been far more agressive under trotsky
@@MarcuslxrdI believe France and UK would have reacted early enough.
@@Masterchief_Tito Again, that’s another scenario. I agree they would probably intervene. But still, the goal for the soviets remains the same, conquer Europe.
Most people have absolutely no idea what Trotsky would have actually done if he were leader. Leon Trotsky would have been far worse than Stalin. Trotsky literally wanted to turn Russia into a military state, mass conscription, he wanted to continue the war with German, that is the First World War, he wanted the Soviet Union to invade all of capitalist Europe and provide its communist parties the armed basis of support necessary for revolutions in their respective country.
Western media over the last century has foolish propped up Trotsky as “the good communist”. They did this purely out of spite for Stalin who was actually succeeding in building the Soviet Union into a socialist state, and not for the things Trotsky actually believed and said.
Trotsky are more extreme
@@mimorisenpai8540 I would say Trotsky was more wrong and less Marxist actually, and even fascistic, the other Bolsheviks considered him to be a right deviationist, as a matter of fact up until the weeks before the revolution Leon Trotsky was a long time member of the Mensheviks, a group that was once cohort with the Bolsheviks in a single political party the Russian Social Democratic Party, they split on the question of Stagism, the idea that economies cannot jump from feudalism to socialism, that they must go through a long period of capitalism and it’s development. It was Lenin and Stalin who said that such a jump could be made in a short period of time. This is the basis which Trotskyism was founded upon, it’s the reason why in his view revolutionary Russia must invade industrialized capitalist Europe and be the spark of communist revolution directly. This is also where the basis of Trotsky’s condemnation of the Soviet Union after his exile comes from, the idea that since Russia cannot jump from feudalism to socialism but neither would europe be communist, that the Bolshevik party in power in Russia would stagnate, become infiltrated and bureaucratic, be taken over by capitalistic forces from within. Did you know Leon Trotsky collaborated with actual fascists, had meeting with Nazis in Finland. It’s my belief that his hope was that Russia would be losing the second world war and that in the chaos Leon Trotsky could lead a counter revolution, overthrow the Bolshevik government from within, and himself become the leader of Russia. And it would have been all thanks to the Nazis. Thank God Stalin assassinated him.
Permanent Revolution moment
What is the source for all of that?
@@missk1697 Trotsky's own work
Subscribe if Stalin and Trotsky were best friends and totally nothing bad between the two happened.
totally lol
Subscribed
Nice pick
Ice pick
Excellent video. Subscribed. 👍
He tottaly didn't chase Trotsky all the way to mexico
In my opinion after fall of Poland, Soviet Union would inevitably rush further, towards Berlin and Paris.
Trotsky was quite a lot more reasonable than Stalin though, i dont think he'd do something like that.
@@4tbf616 Stalin wanted to strenghten power within The state, while Trotsky was very internationalistic and critized Stalin for stopping "constant revolution"
Delusional,Poland was Invading ukraine when the soviet polish war started,they wouldn't invade europe,the red Army was tired and deplited of equipment by 1922
@@4tbf616 actually it was Trotsky pushing to conquer Poland and then move onto Western Europe to help the communist uprisings in Germany and Hungary.
Stalin was actually pushing against a full blown war and delayed his advance in southern Poland
@@4tbf616 Trotsky wanted to spread socialist and communism forcefully and gain industry, which is needed for socialism or Communism to work. By any means necessary
Hitler actually expected Munich conference to not go into his favor, he was expecting a war to start with Czechoslovakia (thanks, Chamberlain 🥰)
This is just flat out wrong tbh.... The soviets absolutely wanted to annex Poland and push onward to save the hungarian and german communist uprisings that were happening at the same time.
Poland saved Europe from the barbarian onslaught once more
I do realize that, but then it becomes super wrong to predict what would happen next. Do you prefer me to be realistic, but end on a cliffhanger?
@@rewriting-history I think you can still make educated guesses about what might happen next, but you're right, it would be very hard to predict, especially in a short video
@@rewriting-historyWhat does trotsky coming to power have to do with invasion of Poland?
They didn't save anyone. Read about wyprawa kijowska, a failed attempt to take Ukraine away from Russia.
How did a small change mаке such a difference
Because of Trotsky coming to power instead of Stalin
Butterfly effect
Chaos Theory
Entropy
@@rewriting-history but how trotsky would gain popularity? wouldnt stalin's and trotsky's position remain the same in the soviet union?
This needs to be a full length video
I don’t understand why the Soviet’s would support the Czechs because of the eastern territories they wanted. More likely they would have a Molotov-Ribbentrop pact thing where they split Czechoslovakia in half similar to Poland
Только вот Советский Союз был единственной страной .которая реально предлагала военную помощь против Третьего Рейха
Во время Судетского кризиса .
Ну вот сюрприз Польша вместе с третьим рейхом забрали себе территории.
Конкретно Польша Тишинскую область.
Советский Союз не любил либеральные демократии
Но Единственное чего СССР хотел это не дать усилится истинной форме капитала - фашизму.
После Чехословакии уже окончательно произошёл переход от политики коллективной безопасности на индивидуальную.
Strongly disagree. A stronger uSSR would have made the allies more likely to cooperate with Nazi Germany. Communism was viewed as no lesser of a threat than Facism.
This is actually surprisingly well-researched
Можемо ли се сви сложити да би било боље да су победили Бели?
To zależy. Piotr Wrangel byłby świetnym przywódcą, ale Denikin i Kolczak już nie
@@BartlomiejDmowskikolchak are incompetent
@@mimorisenpai8540 *was
and yes, I agree
"They would just hold it for the time being" has the same energy as "we must protect you, please do not resist"
this is the most russian accent ive ever seen💀
And it's not even Russian, as it is Bulgarian lol
@@rewriting-historyNot to disrespect you, but as Pole, Bulgarian language sound more Russian that Ukrainian and Belarusian, it's the way of sqying words so similiar between Bulgarian and Russian that without knowing any from those language I would never known with one is spoke.
@@rewriting-historyони мало чем отличаются
trozky's army would become the most better quality,. as there would be no purges, no arrests for political reasons in army, and also The rank system would be finally fixed, as people with proper abilities will get to commander post, instead of Stalin's friends. would be also advanced in terms in technology, as scientists wouldn't be purged
Но именно благодаря цисткам Сталина не ситуация в стране была стабильной
@@sander846 Почему США не проводили чистки? ситуация у них точно не была стабильной 1929-1939
@@НикитаЛебедев-з8л а я откуда знаю
@@sander846 а я откуда знаю, накой хер надо было убивать миллионы чтобы стабилизировать страну?
The Soviets made it quite clear in 1920 what they would do in case of a victory: Annex Poland and return all former German territory to Germany, so basically reinstall the pre-war borders - not with Austria, which was dissolved, but with Germany. Of course the Soviets were aware that they would not stand a chance when trying to invade Germany, given the state the Red Army was in. They preferred to have good relations with Berlin and hoped for a communist revolution there.
Well they will aid Bavarian republic and Spartacus for sure.
No matter how you look at it, Russia alone has defeated Poland only once in the history of both nations. And this was only because the Polish people were weakened by the war with Sweden, Turkey and Ukraine. Greetings from France.
The more likely case- Poland would have aligned with Germany instead. Poland would return German territory back to Germany, i.e., Danzig, and in return, Germany would guarantee Polish claims in the east and together defeat the soviet union.
UK and France more likely to support Germany because reason big appeasement happened because both of UK and France want strong allies who can stand off against Soviet
Bro germany was scared by czechoslovakia
I’m disagree. If Poland lose this war Soviet didn’t stop on this and invade Germany(Weimar republic), because Germany have one of the most communist popularity(Bavaria, Hanover soviet revolution in 1918-19) and maybe world will be more red…
Exactly.
Trotsky are more extreme.
Reason communists widespread because aftermath of ww2.
Much better version of history
I think that then the USSR would have taken over the territory of the Russian Empire
there is no, absolutely no reason soviet union wouldnt annex poland + soviet union would definitely influenced way more in german politics - Tukhachevsky even said before battle of Warsaw that Poland is the bridge to communism in the west
@@egzynthatnn i agree that I made a mistake and I'm thinking of doing another version, this time more correct
AYYYYYyyyy you used my idea :D
Hope you liked how it turned out! Soon I will do another such livestream
I watched a movie about lenin's ambition to invade poland, lenin's plan in the movie if I am correct was to annex poland and use it as advantage to attack other european countries and the whole europe
The Soviets didn’t occupy Vilnius. The backstabbing poles invaded and occupied it themselves because we refused to reform the commonwealth (get annexed).
Backstabbing is a wrong word here
And an even more important reason was that Lithuanians formed some 2.5% of the population of the Vilnius region, which can’t be said about Poles
That said, I recognise it was a super controversial thing
@@BartlomiejDmowski The poles invaded a country who they fought side by side with in several uprisings against the Russian empire, a country which previously viewed them as friends, with an imperialist motive as justification, later practising a policy of colonisation in which poles would be encouraged to move into Vilnius in order to thin out the Lithuanians even more.
This is the very definition of backstabbing.
@@SloveLDK That's not entirely what happened. By late XIXth century, Lithuanians no longer considered Poles as friends (correct me if I'm wrong here). Mr. Smetona is the best example. Many Poles wanted to create a restored Poland-Lithuania, but Lithuanians wanted their own country. Not that I don't understand, it was a time of nationalism
We didn't fight side by side, we just had a common Bolshevik enemy. But we also fought against each other. Btw, you were the ones to break the Foch Line.
Our motive wasn't imperialist - we simply wanted to unite our people in one country. Many Polish generals were from Wileńszczyzna, they simply didn't imagine Poland without their home cities and villages. Like Marshall Józef Piłsudski. It was in Vilnius/Wilno where he was raised and became a Polish patriot. The original plan was actually to create a union with Lithuania - and there would be no problem then. But when Lithuania didn't agree with it, they wanted at least the Vilnius region
Backstabbing it would be if we were allied and you were busy with for instance some other war. It's not what happened. It was already after Bolsheviks were defeated and it was a counter-strike against your takeover of Wilno
Btw, I don't remember hearing about any resistance to Polish rule over that region while it lasted. I think it was pretty well integrated. I don't think much colonisation was needed, because the region was mostly Polish-speaking already. Also, I think it had more Belarusians than Lithuanians. So barring the claims of historical capital, I don't see reasons for it to become a part of Lithuania
@@BartlomiejDmowski Germany occupying Poland to protect her people from persecution: ❌
Poland wanting to occupy Vilnius because polonized Lithuanians happen to live there: ✅
I wasn’t even talking about the Bolsheviks I was talking about the Russian EMPIRE and the uprising we participated in.
And the Foch line? Really? You mean the polish line of occupation?
The mental gymnastics you have to go through in order to not admit that you were the unjustified imperialist aggressor is astounding. Is it that painful to admit that you are entirely to blame for anti polish sentiment in Lithuania and Ukraine? Anyways it’s not like in matters. All the polonization is being reversed.
@@SloveLDK Germany protecting us? Where, when? If you mean the WW1 occupation, well... I don't know where to begin, it's just too stupid
Do you want to say that Piłsudski was actually a Lithuanian? Again, was there even a serious opposition against the Polish annexation of Central Lithuania? From the local population that is. Lithuanian government opposed it obviously, but what about the people who actually lived there?
Yes, we did participate in many uprisings and that was great. Kościuszko, November, January... But I think that in the late XIXth century there was no longer any brotherhood between the independence activists. Probably the fault of nationalists from both sides.
The Foch line was designed by the French and it was meant to stop hostilities between our countries...
Are we the only to be blamed here? Surely partially we are, I never denied that and I truly despise that. But you know, nationalism happened on both sides. This othering. I would say we are both guilty for it
I don't know if you'll believe me now, but I always saw Lithuanians as my brothers and never understood why we could hate each other. Frienship is what I always wanted
What if the polish soviet war didn’t happen
For that either poland or soviets don't exist or both are phisicly incapable of fighting because there's no other way for that war to not happen
That's boring scenarion that doesn't change a lot.
But alternative bersions of this conflict are cool as fuck, in the meantime Belarus and Ukraine tried to become independent, other plan of Poland for this war was allied independent Belarus and Ukraine, this would change a lot, because Poles in the end won the war historically and sticking with this Poland would cripple Soviets much more, maybe even allowing Piland for one front war in ww2.
Belarus and Ukraine will independent earlier
so basically it would be almost like what if the Hungarian soviet republic would survive?
Exactly because Trotsky will aid them
As a Polish historian, I’m just shaking my head with disbelief
And the comments make me lose faith in humanity
Give your opinion then
@@raidang what would have happened if Poland lost in 1920? Well, there would have been a Polish SSR. Then, Baltic states would fall and maybe also East Prussia. Then... quite a mystery. Surely they would try to do something with Germany and given how great a mess Germany was, I think it would be possible to see a second revolution combined with Soviet invasion. But given the war exhaustion and Entente's occupation of Rhineland, the end result would probably be a split of Germany.
And then... I guess Trotsky or other internationalist would replace Lenin. And because of that, probably the revolutionary wars would be resumed very shortly after the revolution in Germany. Either with
1. Invasion of Finland
2. Invasion of Czechoslovakia and the Balkans
3. Invasion of Germany, Benelux and France
After that - no idea, but most likely, an early Cold War. Surely there would have been great purges, but of a different kind than Stalinist ones. Directed against the enemies of the party and communism (not against random people, but it doesn't mean they would have been any better and less bloody. Trotsky was like Pol Pot, a crazy idealist).
What if poland fully beat soviet union?
They did
@@nicolaspasich no i mean by destroying soviet union making soviet union ca-poof of the map
It's impossible@@Tom-jg9de
It's like saying luxembourg would annex USA
@@Tom-jg9de what happened in real life is the closest to destroying the Soviet Union they possibly could have
trotsky would absolutely make the purges happen too
I agree that this would have Trotsky triumph over Stalin and take leadership of the USSR, but afterwards? The guy was an actual madman who was hell bent on exporting the revolution and there's no way he stops with just Poland. We're looking at potentially the one situation where Nazi Germany could be the outright *_lesser_* threat in French and British thoughts.
France and British didn't help Poland while having decree with it
Would Trotsky be a better leader than Stalin ?
Lickley not trostky wanted to expend communism though wars and revolution while there country was still weak maybe the ussr would have started ww2 wich they would have lost with there weak army meanwhile stalin wanted to focus on his own country and tried to make it stronger both persons where bad people but stalin was starter and more realistic than trotsky
No, he would purge too
@@thegamegang5670ah yes, Stalin repelled german invasion in a 1 hour
@@irl4767 i never said he did
Was Democratic Kampuchea better than People’s Kampuchea?
Love your content 😊😊😊
tukhachevsky: yay
More accurate situation in my opinion isn’t the allies accepting soviet diplomacy for no reason but rather the soviet reputation of invading Eastern Europe is given to them quicker.
More likely than not with far more to gain in the east than to keep in the west Poland joins the axis and is made some form of German client state or even just an independent ally.
With hitler appeased he wouldn’t even seek a war with the west as contrary to western beliefs he didn’t care about lost western territories. If anything the soviets would escalate a war with Germany in either Romania or Finland, or Germany could still invade them first. Either way without the catalyst of Poland the allies will likely stay at peace with Germany staying neutral in the war in the east. Remember prior to WW2 the western allies feared the anti-Christian, anti-capitalist and anti-western Soviet Union far more than Germany which had sought alliance with the west multiple times. Without western lend lease and no distracted German armies in France the soviets would ultimately fall giving Hitler everything he actually wanted, that being unification of all Germanic peoples (minus Alsace Lorraine) and a European order which would see Germany at its lead with a series of eastern puppet states.
Poland would indeed be annexed if they lost, hence the declaration of the PolSSR
No miracle on Vistula dang
USSR history if it was perfect
I think entente will sllow Germany to Anschluss Austria in this timeline
not sure the ussr could win a lot without the industrialisation efforts lead by stalin imo
and there would be no reason for Trotsky to become the leader. Trotsky wasn't very trusted for other reasons and Stalin would have become way more popular as he also participated in the campaign with Poland.
@@gnas1897stalin are more pragmatic and calm despite his reputation tainted by great purge.
How the Trotsky would become a leader of USSR because we would win aganist Poland?
Amen
They wouldnt leave Poland after possible win in 1920, the main purpose and importance of winning polish bolsheviks war was that Poland managed to keep independence, Soviets also suffered many casulties then so the question is if sovet union defeated Poland, would they go to western europe as well? As many communists acros the europe were spreding out, it could possibly lead to over half of the eurpe be puppet or at least be under huge influence of USSR. The whole theory that soviets would stop at Vistula river is a joke for me, beacuse Poland was not fighting for its teritory (at least later in the war), they were fighting for life and thats why they were so motivated mobilized and determined to achieve victory
Very nice video
Really glad that you like it!
Soviets would annex Poland
The Soviets would defiantly annex Poland and then after that would be able to fund a communist revolution in Germany and would most likely win and they could potentially even start one in France later though it would probably be a few years later because the Soviet army would be stretched very thin and would need to intervene much more in a communist France revolution as there were less communists in France then in Germany after that even if they fail to take over France they would definitely win the Spanish civil war as there would be no Germany to support the fashists and from there communism would become more popular in other countries and we could see the revolution spread to many other European countries though weather or not Great Britain fights back or not I don’t know but even if they did which would most likely be after they take over Germany it would most likely be like the beginning of ww2 but even worse because they would be going up against a built up soviet army that is combined with Poland’s along with Germany and the pro communists within all of those countries after taking over Europe they would support the communists in china which would be similar to are timeline and they could even go as far as dismantling the British empire in Africa through massive revolutions in there and with there foothold in Africa through France Portugal and Spains colonies it could help them out majorly and then from there they could just keep on going however all of this would take place over many many decades and anything could go wrong at any point
I think it would for sure anger the allies and result in something. Don't think this is the best idea
@@rewriting-history ya for sure this would cause some backlash maybe even from the USA eventually however in this alternate world we just don’t know really when it would happen or how much support the communists would get from the European citizens as time goes on it would make a really good full scenario video to see all of the hypothetical outcomes
Bro read like two Wikipedia articles and called it a day
Indomitable Polish Spirit
Poland is not yet lost
As Polisch person i cant accepted this scenario
What if the Ukrainian state in the Russian Civil war succeded
It would be re-invaded by the USSR and quickly reincorporated, same with any former SSRs, as evident by Poland
@@NicholasStewart-vi4oq Yeah that happens in Rl but what if it survived
It would be allied or conquered by Poland, depending On how good Ukraine politics would be, Poland seek allies on the east but also wanted couple of Ukrainian bordering cities.
And conflict with Poland due to soviet danger would end up as a vassalization of Ukraine instead of border change, to big risk for Poland to allow USSR to take back Ukraine.
Itonically it would be the Best possible ending for Ukraine, they're would maintain some form of state giving them more freedom than communist or full polish occupation and chance for independent Ukraine after ww2.
I guess others will declare war
Bolsheviks would not stop even at atlantic then
I think if the Soviets had conquered Poland they would have probably be seen as thee bigger threat for central and western Europe than the Weimar Republic. The UK and US would probably have backed some German demands like keeping upper Silesia and Danzig to have them away from the Soviet Union, maybe even allowed a bigger Army and small Air force in the German eastern territories to act as a deterant for the Red Army. This would probably have prevented the rise of the Nazis and set up the world for a totally different WWII scenario.
i agree
No, If soviets won the battle of warsaw i think they will go further and invade germany
Я очень не уверен что лига наци позволила бы ссср оставить Данциг под своей защитой, так что Германия не напала бы на союз
Soviets would go further into europe
USSsssssSSR
Soviets dont stop
Sources: Trust me bro.
Absolutly wrong
No offense vut if one person can come up with this, then i think the germans would be prepared before going after the entire world
"Democratic Germany"
If it doesn't become liberal, Soviet Union should not have problems 👌
Democracy? 😂
Layers of cope.
Russia would
Of been weaker due to arrogance at the start they had a shockingly weak and small army. Germany would of done as they please
Germany was at brink of revolution
Троцкий бы не проводил чисток..
Ну-ну..
great accent
LOL really appreciate that
@@rewriting-history I'm serious. You even try to talk fast like everyone else, but it's not very fast. what country are you from?
Simulated by a potato
False False False
If You search or reading more, You will know, that scenario is impossible
Mainly becouse, Russian army after WW1 was exhousted, and after Civil war in Russia, where fought 2 sides Red and White army.
Russia army was so weak compared to Germany's Army.
I'm laughing about your alternative episode but every one can have vision :))
But yes, russia's army want anyway take Poland all annex
The Soviets could have won, and they almost did
It was during the battle of Warsaw (1920) that the existance of Poland was in play, if the Red would have won and take Warsaw, Poland would have fall...
But Poland was supplied by the West while the Soviets suffered, as you said, a fucking civilwar and also a big problem with cordinating its armies in Poland (Mainly because of Stalin's unwillingness to help Tukhachevsky achieve victory in Warsaw, and therefore sabotaging the whole compaign... which he later denied and claimed it was actually Tukhachevsky fault...)
And idk if the Soviets would have annexed Poland, or if they did, it would have been a "Soviet Socialist Republic of Poland", so which the same status that the SSR of Ukraine, SSR of Belarussia, SSR of Russia... etc
No💀
This may be an unpopular opinion but if trotsky became leader of the Soviet Union he would have been the greatest communist leader in history
Unrealistic
A better world:
Do all Orthodox Christians like to be slaves?
Łata bro
Это русский читает?
Man that accent 😂
Yeah it sucks
Tractorist
onion
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What are you saying
Accent💀
bro is gonna lose subscribers from this
W end
Its not Eastern Poland, its western Ukraine and western belarus that Poland conquered during polish - soviet war.
it was eastern Poland that time
@@ukaszwro829 it became Eastern Poland after the Polish - Soviet war.
@@vladislavshevchenko634 no
@@vladislavshevchenko634 in your logic that was western part of russian empire. Definitely not Ukraine
@@ukaszwro829 well, Russian empire didn't exist during the time of the conflict. There was Russian civil war in Russia, Ukrainian civil war in Ukraine. And Poland took a chance to conquer Ukraine. Luckily soviet Russia got involved and saved most of Ukraine so it only lost the West.
Yeh, sure. Strange imagination. Russia always was, is and will have imperialistic wishes. I don't agree with this short.