@@jamiesmith9923 I'm pretty sure they averaged the same amount. The defense gave up 5 less points per game and more than doubled their turnovers when they finally settled in.
I agree. All they asked Nick Foles to do was take them through the playoffs, win the superbowl and win superbowl MVP with 370 yards, 3 TD passes and 1 rushing TD. Oh and then they asked him to defy all odds and get them to the playoffs again. And convert a 4th down TD to give them the lead over the bears. Then he almost made another comeback but his receiver let the ball go through his hands... pfff could've asked the janitor to do that
They ran a simplified offence with foles, that's SAS's point. You just listed off the outcome and situations the team found themself in? Like if Wentz was healthy they also would be asking him to win some playoff games go to the Superbowl and perform?
Nic Rellek Carson isn’t the issue . He had 300+ yards, 3 TD’s and would’ve had 5 TD’s against the dolphins had ertz not dropped 2 TD’s! . The issue was our defense not being able to stop Miami offense and “Fitzmagic”. All you FAKE eagles fans always a like to blame Carson when he loses but never give him credit when he does his job ! his weapons don’t come out clutch for him when it matters. J.J white-side and Dallas goedart both had opportunities with game winning TD’s vs the lions , agholor vs falcons, and now ertz vs the dolphins. DONT THE EAGLES LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES? Carson cannot throw and catch his own passes. Carson cannot make every perfect throw and it seems like that’s what y’all want him to do but no one is perfect. Carson is and will be the franchise quarterback of the Philadelphia eagles and as a fan, I will always have his back. If you don’t like Carson , go to Jacksonville and ride the bench with nick foles who by the way got BENCHED FOR GARDNER MINSHEW VS THE BUCS last Sunday and the jags have officially made it clear that minshew gardner will be the starter going forward but “FoLeS Is bEtTeR tHan CaRSon” right ? Stfu! Foles and joe flacco are the two luckiest qb’s when they reach the playoffs and are system QB’s! Doug had to literally go back into old film of nick foles and simplify the offense in that 2017 Super Bowl run just cuz nicks attributes as a qb aren’t that special! Nick foles isn’t even a regular season QB at all , he showed that in the beginning of the 2018 season Last year with the eagles when Carson missed the first 4 games of the season and nico foles proved it again this year with the jags that he can’t make the regular season record to make it to the post season on his own . Are u forgetting who foles was before he won a super bowl ? He was bouncing from team to team, always was hurt and almost retired , that’s how BAD he used to be so let’s not sit here and act like he’s this all time great qb. If Carson wentz L’s receivers knew how to catch , his stats would be wayyyy higher and they would have 3 more wins that could’ve locked up the division and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. You can be the most accurate thrower of the football but if your guys can’t catch the ball , your stats will plummet and it won’t even be your fault and that’s what is going on with the eagles. We need to clear house with the receivers we have right now and go into the draft and free agency with a new mindset to get Carson some actual weapons smh
Joe Smith did you not sense the sarcasm. Foles is not doing good with the jags. And dude said you win with foles but jags has lost the last three with him sooo
John Lewis well that’s why he has Danny dimes hitting defenders for more touchdowns than his receivers. I’d be salty all the time to if my team was the Giants.
Wolfwarrior your higher than a kite. Nick had a starting job before carson and outside of one good season, he was horrible. Just like he is now and with other teams. He played the best ball of his life when it mattered but he couldn’t buy you a dam game in the regular season. Nick Foles will be remembered as a philly legend but he rode the coattails of Carson Wentz the whole way for home field advantage. Also, he was exceptionally luck other than the nfc championship. In the Super Bowl, the defense made the play not Nick. Divisional game, Julio made the play by being exceptionally poor in the red zone all season long. Against the bears, really 43 yards and you miss? Stop playing with this BS. Nick has never had the talent of Carson Wentz. He throws great from the pocket, outside of that, he’s a free sack.
When you lose every week with a roster that wins without you that means your the problem the eagles are 11-1 in last 12 games without wentz including 5 playoff wins the same roster has Zero playoff wins with wentz And is 10-13 in last 23 with wentz he’s terrible for chemistry.
BrokenGamezHDR held Seattle to 17 points and he still lost the game he hasnt won a game this year were he had 250+ yards. Has lost to the lions he falcons and the dolphins. I remind you he gets paid 32mil a year
@@Bigand788 yet its the same team pretty much that won the superbowl, and no need to argue you can look it up.... so his team sucks is not a valid argument... you can say the team is underachieving and doesn't have the same passion as before
look prior to the season starting pro football focus has philly with the number 1 wide reeving core.... I kno they have injuries and what not but you can't say he doesnt have any weapons.... evey team deals with injury..... I would rather have the eagles wide receiver group then the patriots...
@@VoidSurfer9 what about going up against Patriots and Seahawks to 10 win teams and have Greg ward WHITESIDE and hollins as ur recievers and barely losing and then putting 31 up on Miami an still LOSSING pathetic stop blaming Wentz
Janet Smith stfu ! Carson isn’t the issue . He had 300+ yards, 3 TD’s and would’ve had 5 TD’s against the dolphins had ertz not dropped 2 TD’s! . The issue was our defense not being able to stop Miami offense and “Fitzmagic”. All you FAKE eagles fans always a like to blame Carson when he loses but never give him credit when he does his job ! his weapons don’t come out clutch for him when it matters. J.J white-side and Dallas goedart both had opportunities with game winning TD’s vs the lions , agholor vs falcons, and now ertz vs the dolphins. DONT THE EAGLES LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES? Carson cannot throw and catch his own passes. Carson cannot make every perfect throw and it seems like that’s what y’all want him to do but no one is perfect. Carson is and will be the franchise quarterback of the Philadelphia eagles and as a fan, I will always have his back. If you don’t like Carson , go to Jacksonville and ride the bench with nick foles who by the way got BENCHED FOR GARDNER MINSHEW VS THE BUCS last Sunday and the jags have officially made it clear that minshew gardner will be the starter going forward but “FoLeS Is bEtTeR tHan CaRSon” right ? Stfu! Foles and joe flacco are the two luckiest qb’s when they reach the playoffs and are system QB’s! Doug had to literally go back into old film of nick foles and simplify the offense in that 2017 Super Bowl run just cuz nicks attributes as a qb aren’t that special! Nick foles isn’t even a regular season QB at all , he showed that in the beginning of the 2018 season Last year with the eagles when Carson missed the first 4 games of the season and nico foles proved it again this year with the jags that he can’t make the regular season record to make it to the post season on his own . Are u forgetting who foles was before he won a super bowl ? He was bouncing from team to team, always was hurt and almost retired , that’s how BAD he used to be so let’s not sit here and act like he’s this all time great qb. If Carson wentz L’s receivers knew how to catch , his stats would be wayyyy higher and they would have 3 more wins that could’ve locked up the division and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. You can be the most accurate thrower of the football but if your guys can’t catch the ball , your stats will plummet and it won’t even be your fault and that’s what is going on with the eagles. We need to clear house with the receivers we have right now and go into the draft and free agency with a new mindset to get Carson some actual weapons smh
@@thebrotherfromanotherplane297 Good point. But the system worked with Nick Foles and that got them the Superbowl and also the divisional round a year ago. They should have kept Foles because the system works with him.
Wrong they would not have won a playoff game in 2017 with wentz because he’s bad for chemistry he went 7-9 in 2016 with wentz they went 5-6 last year with wentz and their 5-7 this year with wentz
Wrong they would not have won a playoff game in 2017 with wentz because he’s bad for chemistry he went 7-9 in 2016 with wentz they went 5-6 last year with wentz and their 5-7 this year with wentz
They guy with glasses looks like he's about to stand up and give Max a spinning kick, like he did in Letterman's....OH WAIT...That was CRISPIN GLOVER....not Dan.
It’s funny how if this was Dak the talk would be on how he couldn’t elevate the guys around him but with Wentz he gets all the passes and excuses in the world
I agree with Max, Wentz is the better player but For some reason the Eagles functioned a lot better with Foles. Defense, Offense, Special teams played with a lot more energy with Foles at Qb for some reason
bigbodyrover Same thing happened when he left the Eagles the 1st time and went to the Rams. For some reason I just think he was meant to be the QB of the Eagles. Football is a weird game sometimes man 😂
Carson isn’t the issue . He had 300+ yards, 3 TD’s and would’ve had 5 TD’s against the dolphins had ertz not dropped 2 TD’s! . The issue was our defense not being able to stop Miami offense and “Fitzmagic”. All you FAKE eagles fans always a like to blame Carson when he loses but never give him credit when he does his job ! his weapons don’t come out clutch for him when it matters. J.J white-side and Dallas goedart both had opportunities with game winning TD’s vs the lions , agholor vs falcons, and now ertz vs the dolphins. DONT THE EAGLES LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES? Carson cannot throw and catch his own passes. Carson cannot make every perfect throw and it seems like that’s what y’all want him to do but no one is perfect. Carson is and will be the franchise quarterback of the Philadelphia eagles and as a fan, I will always have his back. If you don’t like Carson , go to Jacksonville and ride the bench with nick foles who by the way got BENCHED FOR GARDNER MINSHEW VS THE BUCS last Sunday and the jags have officially made it clear that minshew gardner will be the starter going forward but “FoLeS Is bEtTeR tHan CaRSon” right ? Stfu! Foles and joe flacco are the two luckiest qb’s when they reach the playoffs and are system QB’s! Doug had to literally go back into old film of nick foles and simplify the offense in that 2017 Super Bowl run just cuz nicks attributes as a qb aren’t that special! Nick foles isn’t even a regular season QB at all , he showed that in the beginning of the 2018 season Last year with the eagles when Carson missed the first 4 games of the season and nico foles proved it again this year with the jags that he can’t make the regular season record to make it to the post season on his own . Are u forgetting who foles was before he won a super bowl ? He was bouncing from team to team, always was hurt and almost retired , that’s how BAD he used to be so let’s not sit here and act like he’s this all time great qb. If Carson wentz L’s receivers knew how to catch , his stats would be wayyyy higher and they would have 3 more wins that could’ve locked up the division and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. You can be the most accurate thrower of the football but if your guys can’t catch the ball , your stats will plummet and it won’t even be your fault and that’s what is going on with the eagles. We need to clear house with the receivers we have right now and go into the draft and free agency with a new mindset to get Carson some actual weapons smh
@FloWavy I completely agree. I remember when Foles stepped in after wentz got hurt during the rams game and I thought he was terrible for the remainder of the regular season. It was so bad that I wanted them to put sudfield in. Wentz is going to be fine, he just needs weapons and the eagles need cornerbacks who don’t get mossed by Parker
Dan made a good point. Foles and Wentz were averaging around the same PPG, but the defense played better under Foles. Chris Long said he made a shrine for Foles as a joke and the media ran with the idea that the team believed in Foles more. No, they knew they didn't have their MVP QB anymore so they had to step their game up on defense and they did. Doug and/or Mike Groh know Wentz is better and calls more passes. This is the same reason Dak struggles if they don't get the run game going. Same for any QB.
With all those bad throws and poor decisions Wentz is part of eagles struggles to the only player that did decent was Howard but he is going to be out til Lord knows when
Max is so right on this subject. The eagles clearly played better under Foles. People forget the eagles didn’t start off so well last year then then Nick Foles came in then they caught lightning in a bottle
Y’all saying he not good . Bring foles back to philly watch everything change if he get another shot . They went with Wentz bc he younger but he hasn’t done that much. Remember foles played with desean jackson and Jordan Matthews
I don't get why Max's argument is so hard to understand, Wentz is more talented than Foles but the Eagles don't play behind him like they do for Foles. Foles is a more experienced leader and the reason Carson is getting the blame is because his salary is holding the team back from replacing the so called "trash" receivers. When you get paid 100 million you'd better lift the team up and Wentz has yet to do that
Charlie Scopetto Wentz isnt holding anybody back yet with his salary. We still got him cheap for one more offseason. Not only that, we have more than enough cap and picks to snatch a WR during free agency but we didnt. Its up to the Eagles front office to make the right moves this draft by picking up ATLEAST 2 receivers. We still got room to develop rookies even with Wentz salary. The problem is that were either bad at developing them (Mack Hollin) Or not even having right receivers at all (No trade during free agency)
Gage Jernigan our receivers last year were average af even with Golden Tate. 2017 was the great year. Groh was WR coach then and now that hes OC our receivers have gotten worse im every possible matter when you’d think they wouldnt. Its fucking disappointing.
@@weedwizard7906 foreal. Desean is the only one who didnt regress and thats bc hes so experienced he doesnt need development. Agholor did have more yds in 2018 but less tds
Pederson not a true 'leader'...WEAK...sometimes, many times, you're only as good as people around you, supporting people...while Nick Foles could and did raise Pederson's results, Wentz cannot...so now DP will be forced to create/forge his own identity as a coach...like many other coaches in NFL realize, you have to grow up, really think it thru...and put your stamp on team...BB in NE best example...helps to have a QB who elevates..and if you do, you keep him...and, again, success is contagious: Steelers in '70s...when that happens...Swan/Stallworth...Jeffery/Agholar way capable (finally promoted Greg Ward....really took that long?}...Mack Hollins released today because another team had an interest in other player...WAKE THE F UP...really: wake up...Foles had same receivers Wentz has...think about it...
I feel exactly what Max is talking about. I've been saying the same thing and all of these Wentz apologists will be eating crow real soon because Carson is regressing, not improving.
Carson Wentz should have much required of him because he has never played in a postseason game during his tenure and the Philadelphia Eagles move Heaven and Earth to move up in the draft to get him and yet the backup quarterback Nick foles on his second tenure there one Philadelphia its first Super Bowl and was the Super Bowl MVP. Carson Wentz should be required to win not only a Super Bowl but a Super Bowl MVP.
Carson Wentz is not a franchise QB.. period! The secondary gave up over 500 yards to Tom Brady in their SB win. Same players as before so why are people surprised that they're getting toasted.
As an Eagles fan, only thing good about the Eagles is their rush defense. And that can’t look good when the secondary gets burned and opens up the opposing team’s run game.
carson wentz being 11-2 before getting hurt doesn't mean anything.....he didn't finish...furthermore a 11-2 season doesn't guarantee a superbow just like 16-0 didn't guarantee the patriots a superbowl title.....homefield advantage doesn't guarantee a superbowl berth or title either
Myles Wallace that wasn’t a good read nevertheless a good throw. I’d love a next gen stats on the percentage of that catch. The tight end was wide open at the line to gain and there was still over a minute left on that fourth down play. Agholor has two drops on the season so far so I don’t see how so much blame can be spread to him
Daniel S agholor got hands like feet. A lot of things go into the eagles failing this season mostly receivers dropping catchable passes. It’s definitely a collective because there’s a lot of inconsistency throughout the entire team.
@@daniels5255 that was a game winning TD that hit the man in his hands, no excuses for that level of ineptitude. I don't think anyone will even take him on once the eagles release him. He's dropped two game winners this year, how many more u want him to drop?
Y’all make more excuses for Wentz and he’s a 1st rd pick but don’t give the credit Dak deserves and he’s a 4th rd pick with MVP stats but since his team ain’t putting wins together Dak is to blame smfh 🤦♂️
Look, at some point we have to realize that Nick Foles is better than Carson Wentz in Philly! Wentz would probably do better outside of Philly than Foles. Foles doesn't know how to play QB outside of that city. So if I'm Philly, I would call Jacksonville in the off season and see if we can swap QBs.
Max right about the team liking folds much more they show more effort when they play with him. They show no urgency playing with wentz lol them dude don't like him and u can see it
@@JamesDea45 u just wanna make jokes instead of understanding what im saying da eagles offense turned up in da playoffs because with Nick Foles they ran the RPO which with da skill type they got and Foles making good decisions no one could've stopped it now with Wentz they run a West Coast offense which works but the eagles dont have that skill set 2 overwhelm opponents Nick Foles shouldn't have gotten dat money or went 2 Jacksonville but he knows he stole a payday and da eagles shouldn't have let him go knowing they can go 2 dat RPO offense wit Foles and win games when teams start shutting down they offense like what's been goin on these past couple weeks but what do I know🤷🏽♂️
@@jerryrice2652 I get what ur saying.... in that case, coaching staff should adapt to carson wentz's strengths instead of trying to make him a west coast qb.... when reich was oc in 2017, it wasn't all west coast concepts...they did a lot of vertical passing and rollouts RPOs would work with the eagles too if pederson learned to not abandon the run after it works a few times, but the guy is too stubborn
No he didnt. That made zero sense. Foles and Wentz throwing it to your hands and you catching one but dropping the other is not the QBs fault at all. The receiver just sucks
the eagles play harder for foles thats why they lose every week with wentz the dolphins wanted it more shows the team doesnt give full effort for wentz and they dont want to run through a brick wall for wentz.
so that we are clear, when the eagles turn it around either this year or next year, dont give wentz any credit for the turnaround, since we dont wanna give him any blame.
I dont see them turning it around this year. They have a chance of course, any given Sunday still applies when/if you make it to the playoffs. But the problems they have run pretty deep, serious lack of pass rush, spotty OLine play, horrible secondary and wide out play. Not to mention they seem to shy away from the run game at times when it is easily their best weapon. And if they dont turn it around this year, i think they are going into a semi rebuild mode. They have some big contract/backloaded contracts that arr going to put us well over the cap in a year or two and alot of players not playing up to their contract....and then there's the coaches. Thr assistant coaches are catching the majority of the blame for the bad play and lack of development. So i dont really see that prediction coming true.....UNLESS they actually do turn it around this year...but they only have like a 15% chance of actually righting the ship and actually make a playoff run.
At the beginning of the season with the same players the eagles have now weren't you all saying they were a superbowl contender now everyone is making excuses about the same players that started the season
As a eagles fan, Dan is wrong when he said in 2018 they got healthier when Foles came in. Uhhh no. The ONLY guy who really came back was Darren Sproles. Had the same defensive personnel and same offensive personnel. And this year, yes guys are dropping passes for the eagles but Wentz hasn’t been particularly accurate either. But the one person to be blamed is DOUG PEDERSON! Refuses to run the ball. 2 notable games that the eagles won this year was against Green Bay and Buffalo. Look at the rushing stats for those 2 games and you can see that if the eagles run the ball and control the clock that they can be a very good team
The most hilarious part about Max's criticism of Wentz is he's relentless in bashing Wentz but will reluctantly say "Baker is underperforming and not playing well this year". Son, out a Wentz on the Browns this year and I GUARANTEE you they have a winning record and are a playoff team.
As a Eagles fan I'm placing blame on everything. management, coaching, Wentz, WR, O line, D. Its everything and it has been for the past two years after the Superbowl.
Nick foles has always exceeded expectations when expectations are low. Remember the 27-2 touchdown to int ratio. Wentz has a good year. Not so much lately
No that was when chip kellys offense first entered the league. Also that year he should've had way more than 2 ints. More than a 4th of his tds came from 1 game on top of that. He played well but let's not act like he was some sort of known commodity.
@@dbzfanzone4725 people harp on the 27-2 season as part of Foles resume when it should be treated as an anamoly. Before the 27-2 season he was just a guy coming off his rookie season. Im pretty sure he even lost the qb battle going into that season.
Can't blame Doug when Carson throws the ball at the ground or out the back of the endzone. He was horrific against the Pats and the Seahawks, just horrible.
2017 the Eagles lead the rushing and that helped both Wentz and Foles. Last year when Foles took over all of sudden they became a top 5 rushing offence after being the 31st ranked rush offence when Wentz played. How bout this, the Eagles have lost their last 3 games, they 've thrown the ball 146 times and have ran 61, all the while Miles Sanders has been averging 4.6 a carry in that stretch. All great Super bowls contenders either had elite defences or elite running attacks. Just look at the 49ers, Ravens, and Seahawks. All 10-2 and are top 5 in rushing. Stop it with the Wentz hate. Its Perderson.
Simply put. The players played harder for Foles to make up for his deficiencies. That's not fair to Wentz, players should play their hardest regardless of who's playing.
@@jay_1212 how do you figure....first place teams get eliminated from the first round of the playoffs very often so why would you think that carson wentz got us to the superbowl
Carson was asked to do the same thing as Nick, which is win games. People make excuses for Wentz too much because they all called him the next great QB. He had one great year and they crowned him.
What Max is saying is true. Not a lot of people want to see it because they want to believe in Carson Wentz, but what’s there to believe when Nick Foles’ results were better than Carson Wentz? Yes, Carson Wentz had an MVP year in 2017, but it was Nick Foles who finished for the city of Philadelphia. Last year, Nick Foles started the season with 2-1 until Carson Wentz came back and got the team down to 6-7 then once again Nick Foles finished the job for the city of Philadelphia and almost went to the SB again!!! You can’t expect a player to play the same if the coaching and play style are different.
kyrietherealmamba they tryna make him a pocket passer when it’s not his style that’s not how he play they need to let Carson run with the ball get him out the pocket make a schema that fits him and the way he plays
The evidence suggests that all Wentz needs to perform at an MVP level is a deep threat and a moderately good run game. In 2017 he had Tory Smith to take the top off the defense, and their offense was hot all year. In 2018 he didn't have a speed receiver period, and he still played pretty well all things considered. In the first game with DeSean Jackson in the lineup he threw 3 TD passes, 2 to Jackson deep. Taking away that deep threat neuters the Eagles offense. Defenses aren't afraid of Alshon Jeffrey beating them deep, and that makes it much harder to complete short and mid range passes, because there's no consequences for biting on those routes.
like how he says its wentz fault the eagles lost in miami even though he threw for 3 tds and 300+ yrds and they scored 31 points.... he tried to blame the defense's terrible performance on wentz's inability to "elevate their play"..... makes total sense to me
Notice he says why does the team play much better under Foles. The offense was the same when he came in after wentz injury in 2017. In 2018 they got healthy at the moment when wentz had his back injury. Defensively they found a stud in Leblanc and the emergence of Maddox at S/Nickel helped the secondary. 2018 is the only outlier to really support Max’s point and then he uses the article to reinforce his thoughts. Even during this year. Wentz hasn’t been the best but he and Brady are literally in the same boat in terms offensive talent and consistency within the supporting cast.
My argument is of course Wentz is asked to do more, go look at the salary for both players. A 30 million dollar QB should be asked to do a lot more than a backup.
this predates his contract, even in 2017 when foles took over, pederson and reich wanted to simplify the playbook bc foles didnt have the mobility wentz does to run some of the plays all of a sudden pederson wants to forget about running the ball even when its effective and force carson to pass it every other down, and hes working with the worst graded receiving core in the nfl... cant be a pass heavy team when the wrs can rarely get open as it is
Dan was ready to swing on max
Finally someone feels the way I do
Dan is embarrassing himself eagles averaged 25 points per game with foles in regular season last year and only 22 with wentz
@@jamiesmith9923 I'm pretty sure they averaged the same amount. The defense gave up 5 less points per game and more than doubled their turnovers when they finally settled in.
On god peeped his fist👀😂
I got my money on Max
I agree. All they asked Nick Foles to do was take them through the playoffs, win the superbowl and win superbowl MVP with 370 yards, 3 TD passes and 1 rushing TD. Oh and then they asked him to defy all odds and get them to the playoffs again. And convert a 4th down TD to give them the lead over the bears. Then he almost made another comeback but his receiver let the ball go through his hands... pfff could've asked the janitor to do that
Stephen A's argument
What is doing now getting bench for a rookie quarterback
@Nic Rellek maybe because Nick Foles has a better running back and better receiving core, and better DBs
They ran a simplified offence with foles, that's SAS's point. You just listed off the outcome and situations the team found themself in? Like if Wentz was healthy they also would be asking him to win some playoff games go to the Superbowl and perform?
Nic Rellek Carson isn’t the issue . He had 300+ yards, 3 TD’s and would’ve had 5 TD’s against the dolphins had ertz not dropped 2 TD’s! . The issue was our defense not being able to stop Miami offense and “Fitzmagic”. All you FAKE eagles fans always a like to blame Carson when he loses but never give him credit when he does his job ! his weapons don’t come out clutch for him when it matters. J.J white-side and Dallas goedart both had opportunities with game winning TD’s vs the lions , agholor vs falcons, and now ertz vs the dolphins. DONT THE EAGLES LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES? Carson cannot throw and catch his own passes. Carson cannot make every perfect throw and it seems like that’s what y’all want him to do but no one is perfect. Carson is and will be the franchise quarterback of the Philadelphia eagles and as a fan, I will always have his back. If you don’t like Carson , go to Jacksonville and ride the bench with nick foles who by the way got BENCHED FOR GARDNER MINSHEW VS THE BUCS last Sunday and the jags have officially made it clear that minshew gardner will be the starter going forward but “FoLeS Is bEtTeR tHan CaRSon” right ? Stfu! Foles and joe flacco are the two luckiest qb’s when they reach the playoffs and are system QB’s! Doug had to literally go back into old film of nick foles and simplify the offense in that 2017 Super Bowl run just cuz nicks attributes as a qb aren’t that special! Nick foles isn’t even a regular season QB at all , he showed that in the beginning of the 2018 season Last year with the eagles when Carson missed the first 4 games of the season and nico foles proved it again this year with the jags that he can’t make the regular season record to make it to the post season on his own . Are u forgetting who foles was before he won a super bowl ? He was bouncing from team to team, always was hurt and almost retired , that’s how BAD he used to be so let’s not sit here and act like he’s this all time great qb. If Carson wentz L’s receivers knew how to catch , his stats would be wayyyy higher and they would have 3 more wins that could’ve locked up the division and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. You can be the most accurate thrower of the football but if your guys can’t catch the ball , your stats will plummet and it won’t even be your fault and that’s what is going on with the eagles. We need to clear house with the receivers we have right now and go into the draft and free agency with a new mindset to get Carson some actual weapons smh
“I know what I think, that’s not what I think” I fw that
As an eagles fan this was my favorite first take ever... we still suck tho
you win with foles
@@dannywoodson5049 i believe so too. I was disappointed when they let go of foles and I've just gotten more and more disappointed
danny woodson tell that to the jags
Idk y we got rid of Nick foles
Joe Smith did you not sense the sarcasm. Foles is not doing good with the jags. And dude said you win with foles but jags has lost the last three with him sooo
they've been "flat" every since they got rid of OC and assistant coordinators after superbowl year. Stop pointing fingers at the wrong thing
But they made the playoffs without the OC
You can feel the tension between dan and max I love it
Mike Love Thyself because max is dumb asf and blames everything on wentz no matter if the defense gives up 37 to THE DOLPHINS
@@ibricktoomuch-9534 he thinks the qb is end all be all of every team
@@johnlewis8934 qb is the most important position in the sports world except maybe pitchers. Nick Foles is a way better qb than wentz for the eagles
John Lewis well that’s why he has Danny dimes hitting defenders for more touchdowns than his receivers. I’d be salty all the time to if my team was the Giants.
Wolfwarrior your higher than a kite. Nick had a starting job before carson and outside of one good season, he was horrible. Just like he is now and with other teams. He played the best ball of his life when it mattered but he couldn’t buy you a dam game in the regular season. Nick Foles will be remembered as a philly legend but he rode the coattails of Carson Wentz the whole way for home field advantage. Also, he was exceptionally luck other than the nfc championship. In the Super Bowl, the defense made the play not Nick. Divisional game, Julio made the play by being exceptionally poor in the red zone all season long. Against the bears, really 43 yards and you miss? Stop playing with this BS. Nick has never had the talent of Carson Wentz. He throws great from the pocket, outside of that, he’s a free sack.
Max don’t like that guy he stay gunning for him
He should just admit it
Lol Max has a vendetta against Wentz at this point
@@matthewdegliobizzi5681 facts arent a vandetta the egales absolutley suck with wnetz and win with foles they have 5 playoff wins with foles
When you lose every week with a roster that wins without you that means your the problem the eagles are 11-1 in last 12 games without wentz including 5 playoff wins the same roster has Zero playoff wins with wentz And is 10-13 in last 23 with wentz he’s terrible for chemistry.
Calvin Reddick Max is a complete idiot! He doesn’t know the intricacies of football and basketball.
Max was never like this before..It’s like the network told him to be like Skip Bayless
Brad Wright foles better
I agree. He was never like with with Marcellus.
@Frank Mischler 😂😂😂
He's not lying tho, skip just be outrageous
Max is right on this , ppl search far and wide for excuses to give Wentz
Wentz has no weapons and a terrible defense especially corners
BrokenGamezHDR held Seattle to 17 points and he still lost the game he hasnt won a game this year were he had 250+ yards. Has lost to the lions he falcons and the dolphins. I remind you he gets paid 32mil a year
The whole team is trash
Big facts
@@Bigand788 yet its the same team pretty much that won the superbowl, and no need to argue you can look it up.... so his team sucks is not a valid argument... you can say the team is underachieving and doesn't have the same passion as before
look prior to the season starting pro football focus has philly with the number 1 wide reeving core.... I kno they have injuries and what not but you can't say he doesnt have any weapons.... evey team deals with injury..... I would rather have the eagles wide receiver group then the patriots...
😂😂😂😂😂 "I know what I think that's not what I think"
😭😭
But he doesnt know what he thinks.. hes a parrot
The year 2024, when Carson Wentz has *STILL* not played a playoff snap "BUT HE HAD A GREAT 3/4 OF A SEASON 7 YEARS AGO! HE IS ELITE!!"
Let's not act like Wentz is the only QB in the league that's asked to do alot
What about managing towards thier strength of abilities?
When you pay a guy like Wentz is being paid, he has to assume a share of blame commensurate with his level of compensation.
@@VoidSurfer9 what about going up against Patriots and Seahawks to 10 win teams and have Greg ward WHITESIDE and hollins as ur recievers and barely losing and then putting 31 up on Miami an still LOSSING pathetic stop blaming Wentz
@@Gabeereps pederson doesnt know how to stick with the run all of a sudden.. thinks carson can just work magic with awful receivers every other down
The Keeper I mean he has one of the worst supporting casts in the league so
"DAN!!!!!! ORLOVSKY!!!!!!!" how this dude speaks lol
Orlovsky is mentally disturbed
Orlovsky sounds insane he is trying to argue with facts wentz is hated by his teammates and Results prove it zero playoff wins
Dan should be our OC next year.. Groh gotta go and his love for Wentz is unheard of 🦅
Dan or Romo!
Groh won with foles wnetz is a virus
Janet Smith stfu ! Carson isn’t the issue . He had 300+ yards, 3 TD’s and would’ve had 5 TD’s against the dolphins had ertz not dropped 2 TD’s! . The issue was our defense not being able to stop Miami offense and “Fitzmagic”. All you FAKE eagles fans always a like to blame Carson when he loses but never give him credit when he does his job ! his weapons don’t come out clutch for him when it matters. J.J white-side and Dallas goedart both had opportunities with game winning TD’s vs the lions , agholor vs falcons, and now ertz vs the dolphins. DONT THE EAGLES LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES? Carson cannot throw and catch his own passes. Carson cannot make every perfect throw and it seems like that’s what y’all want him to do but no one is perfect. Carson is and will be the franchise quarterback of the Philadelphia eagles and as a fan, I will always have his back. If you don’t like Carson , go to Jacksonville and ride the bench with nick foles who by the way got BENCHED FOR GARDNER MINSHEW VS THE BUCS last Sunday and the jags have officially made it clear that minshew gardner will be the starter going forward but “FoLeS Is bEtTeR tHan CaRSon” right ? Stfu! Foles and joe flacco are the two luckiest qb’s when they reach the playoffs and are system QB’s! Doug had to literally go back into old film of nick foles and simplify the offense in that 2017 Super Bowl run just cuz nicks attributes as a qb aren’t that special! Nick foles isn’t even a regular season QB at all , he showed that in the beginning of the 2018 season Last year with the eagles when Carson missed the first 4 games of the season and nico foles proved it again this year with the jags that he can’t make the regular season record to make it to the post season on his own . Are u forgetting who foles was before he won a super bowl ? He was bouncing from team to team, always was hurt and almost retired , that’s how BAD he used to be so let’s not sit here and act like he’s this all time great qb. If Carson wentz L’s receivers knew how to catch , his stats would be wayyyy higher and they would have 3 more wins that could’ve locked up the division and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. You can be the most accurate thrower of the football but if your guys can’t catch the ball , your stats will plummet and it won’t even be your fault and that’s what is going on with the eagles. We need to clear house with the receivers we have right now and go into the draft and free agency with a new mindset to get Carson some actual weapons smh
I think Max is right chemistry is important and the team seems to have more sycronization with Nick Foles
Now that doesn't make any sense. They had chemistry in the regular season in 2017. Stop tripping... It's the system that's mostly flawed.
@@thebrotherfromanotherplane297 Good point. But the system worked with Nick Foles and that got them the Superbowl and also the divisional round a year ago. They should have kept Foles because the system works with him.
Wrong they would not have won a playoff game in 2017 with wentz because he’s bad for chemistry he went 7-9 in 2016 with wentz they went 5-6 last year with wentz and their 5-7 this year with wentz
Wrong they would not have won a playoff game in 2017 with wentz because he’s bad for chemistry he went 7-9 in 2016 with wentz they went 5-6 last year with wentz and their 5-7 this year with wentz
Wentz has zero playoff wins and 3 out of 4 losing seasons
I'm a Eagles fan and I agree with Max
Max be careful... This dude wants your job... I can tell
Max is too smart for Dan
He doesn’t need max job lol
@@tigerhoods7927 first take is the number one show on daytime TV ESPN.... Sooo
Lol so
I love Dan but he did run out of the back of the end zone so him talking about instincts is questionable 😂
Ran out of the end zone UNTOUCHED. Also I had the same number of wins in the nfl as he did that year. Don’t care what he has to say with that resume.
Lol
acktreptow I wanna see you play football in the nfl like be quiet
TJ Rose if I had the same years under my belt as orlovsky I guarantee I wouldn’t have ran out of the end zone with no pass rush
Max is a giants fan. He knows he's screwing with eagles fans
They guy with glasses looks like he's about to stand up and give Max a spinning kick, like he did in Letterman's....OH WAIT...That was CRISPIN GLOVER....not Dan.
In my opinion Wentz doesn’t have control over the Locker room
Thats what it looks like
Yup
He's young bro
Foles is a leader Wentz isn't
@@alext.9033 True
It’s funny how if this was Dak the talk would be on how he couldn’t elevate the guys around him but with Wentz he gets all the passes and excuses in the world
Wyron Owens WRONG, they praise Dak for being a great leader and motivator. And yet Cowboys still taking Ls
Gotta side with Max on this one....
No
eoe123321 Jeffery leads the team in drops and has been injured since week 3. Ertz hasn’t done much all season.
Mac a true boxing mind. Two guys slamming max and hes calm and is just hitting back. Respect. ✊🏽
I agree with Max, Wentz is the better player but For some reason the Eagles functioned a lot better with Foles. Defense, Offense, Special teams played with a lot more energy with Foles at Qb for some reason
Foles was a better leader for them. Some how he inspired them. And he also made the right plays at the right time .
Clearly Frank Reich and john defilippo were the brains of the offense for the eagles the Superbowl year Doug pederson is the problem on offense
bigbodyrover Same thing happened when he left the Eagles the 1st time and went to the Rams. For some reason I just think he was meant to be the QB of the Eagles. Football is a weird game sometimes man 😂
Dan's reaction to "you kept catching the ball when the other guy was throwing it to you" at 5:36 is a forever mood
Max you're on point....DAN AND STEVEN WRONG. ...
Thanks Steven A. your right wentz is asked way more then foles
I like this actual debate
Carson Wentz gets too many excuses🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Carson isn’t the issue . He had 300+ yards, 3 TD’s and would’ve had 5 TD’s against the dolphins had ertz not dropped 2 TD’s! . The issue was our defense not being able to stop Miami offense and “Fitzmagic”. All you FAKE eagles fans always a like to blame Carson when he loses but never give him credit when he does his job ! his weapons don’t come out clutch for him when it matters. J.J white-side and Dallas goedart both had opportunities with game winning TD’s vs the lions , agholor vs falcons, and now ertz vs the dolphins. DONT THE EAGLES LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES? Carson cannot throw and catch his own passes. Carson cannot make every perfect throw and it seems like that’s what y’all want him to do but no one is perfect. Carson is and will be the franchise quarterback of the Philadelphia eagles and as a fan, I will always have his back. If you don’t like Carson , go to Jacksonville and ride the bench with nick foles who by the way got BENCHED FOR GARDNER MINSHEW VS THE BUCS last Sunday and the jags have officially made it clear that minshew gardner will be the starter going forward but “FoLeS Is bEtTeR tHan CaRSon” right ? Stfu! Foles and joe flacco are the two luckiest qb’s when they reach the playoffs and are system QB’s! Doug had to literally go back into old film of nick foles and simplify the offense in that 2017 Super Bowl run just cuz nicks attributes as a qb aren’t that special! Nick foles isn’t even a regular season QB at all , he showed that in the beginning of the 2018 season Last year with the eagles when Carson missed the first 4 games of the season and nico foles proved it again this year with the jags that he can’t make the regular season record to make it to the post season on his own . Are u forgetting who foles was before he won a super bowl ? He was bouncing from team to team, always was hurt and almost retired , that’s how BAD he used to be so let’s not sit here and act like he’s this all time great qb. If Carson wentz L’s receivers knew how to catch , his stats would be wayyyy higher and they would have 3 more wins that could’ve locked up the division and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. You can be the most accurate thrower of the football but if your guys can’t catch the ball , your stats will plummet and it won’t even be your fault and that’s what is going on with the eagles. We need to clear house with the receivers we have right now and go into the draft and free agency with a new mindset to get Carson some actual weapons smh
@FloWavy I completely agree. I remember when Foles stepped in after wentz got hurt during the rams game and I thought he was terrible for the remainder of the regular season. It was so bad that I wanted them to put sudfield in. Wentz is going to be fine, he just needs weapons and the eagles need cornerbacks who don’t get mossed by Parker
Zach H. Thank you bro !
The whole offense being hurt isnt an excuse. That's a reason
Blade Brown thank you
Eagles wins = Wentz is a superstar. Eagles lose = everyone gets blame except for wentz.
Not tru
5:36 "oh my gosh, logical questions hurt my head"
Lol his body language just screams defeat because Max doesn’t agree with him😂.
Max is an imbecile
Dan made a good point. Foles and Wentz were averaging around the same PPG, but the defense played better under Foles. Chris Long said he made a shrine for Foles as a joke and the media ran with the idea that the team believed in Foles more. No, they knew they didn't have their MVP QB anymore so they had to step their game up on defense and they did. Doug and/or Mike Groh know Wentz is better and calls more passes. This is the same reason Dak struggles if they don't get the run game going. Same for any QB.
They still giving Wentz a pass huh
With all those bad throws and poor decisions Wentz is part of eagles struggles to the only player that did decent was Howard but he is going to be out til Lord knows when
It's obvious the team is feeding off of Wentz's negative vibes. He's not all to blame, but I do think Max is on to something.
Can we now say Carson is Selfish?
Max is so right on this subject. The eagles clearly played better under Foles. People forget the eagles didn’t start off so well last year then then Nick Foles came in then they caught lightning in a bottle
Lol Max is the only one that gets it.
Y’all saying he not good . Bring foles back to philly watch everything change if he get another shot . They went with Wentz bc he younger but he hasn’t done that much. Remember foles played with desean jackson and Jordan Matthews
I don't get why Max's argument is so hard to understand, Wentz is more talented than Foles but the Eagles don't play behind him like they do for Foles. Foles is a more experienced leader and the reason Carson is getting the blame is because his salary is holding the team back from replacing the so called "trash" receivers. When you get paid 100 million you'd better lift the team up and Wentz has yet to do that
Charlie Scopetto Wentz isnt holding anybody back yet with his salary. We still got him cheap for one more offseason. Not only that, we have more than enough cap and picks to snatch a WR during free agency but we didnt. Its up to the Eagles front office to make the right moves this draft by picking up ATLEAST 2 receivers. We still got room to develop rookies even with Wentz salary. The problem is that were either bad at developing them (Mack Hollin)
Or not even having right receivers at all (No trade during free agency)
The receivers were good last year lol. Why are they all of a sudden bad? CARSON WALCH. Terrible WR coach. Hes the scapegoat.
Gage Jernigan our receivers last year were average af even with Golden Tate. 2017 was the great year. Groh was WR coach then and now that hes OC our receivers have gotten worse im every possible matter when you’d think they wouldnt. Its fucking disappointing.
@@weedwizard7906 foreal. Desean is the only one who didnt regress and thats bc hes so experienced he doesnt need development. Agholor did have more yds in 2018 but less tds
Max Really Funny Son 😂😂😂😂
I really like Max for this I’m not gonna lie
Excuses bruh same receivers that Foles had not a single one is different. Both are to blame in this situation.
Ever think that maybe those weapons have regressed this year? Maybe that's the problem... That Superbowl run was almost 2 years ago
Doug Pederson right now, "Oh wow, the question was about me but they're not even talking about me, it's about my qb" Lol.
Pederson not a true 'leader'...WEAK...sometimes, many times, you're only as good as people around you, supporting people...while Nick Foles could and did raise Pederson's results, Wentz cannot...so now DP will be forced to create/forge his own identity as a coach...like many other coaches in NFL realize, you have to grow up, really think it thru...and put your stamp on team...BB in NE best example...helps to have a QB who elevates..and if you do, you keep him...and, again, success is contagious: Steelers in '70s...when that happens...Swan/Stallworth...Jeffery/Agholar way capable (finally promoted Greg Ward....really took that long?}...Mack Hollins released today because another team had an interest in other player...WAKE THE F UP...really: wake up...Foles had same receivers Wentz has...think about it...
I feel exactly what Max is talking about. I've been saying the same thing and all of these Wentz apologists will be eating crow real soon because Carson is regressing, not improving.
Finally someone said it!
Wentz clearly isn't the true problem. This narrative needs to stop
This was a really good debate. That has been rare on this show as of late.
It doesn't matter if Wentz is getting more of a load. Sorry but he's the franchise QB this is his job. And he's not doing it
Carson Wentz should have much required of him because he has never played in a postseason game during his tenure and the Philadelphia Eagles move Heaven and Earth to move up in the draft to get him and yet the backup quarterback Nick foles on his second tenure there one Philadelphia its first Super Bowl and was the Super Bowl MVP. Carson Wentz should be required to win not only a Super Bowl but a Super Bowl MVP.
Carson Wentz is not a franchise QB.. period!
The secondary gave up over 500 yards to Tom Brady in their SB win. Same players as before so why are people surprised that they're getting toasted.
As an Eagles fan, only thing good about the Eagles is their rush defense. And that can’t look good when the secondary gets burned and opens up the opposing team’s run game.
carson wentz being 11-2 before getting hurt doesn't mean anything.....he didn't finish...furthermore a 11-2 season doesn't guarantee a superbow just like 16-0 didn't guarantee the patriots a superbowl title.....homefield advantage doesn't guarantee a superbowl berth or title either
I don’t think you can blame wentz for his receivers dropping game winning tds. Its a collective of people that deserves the blame.
Nah, just the receivers
Dennis mainly agholor
Myles Wallace that wasn’t a good read nevertheless a good throw. I’d love a next gen stats on the percentage of that catch. The tight end was wide open at the line to gain and there was still over a minute left on that fourth down play.
Agholor has two drops on the season so far so I don’t see how so much blame can be spread to him
Daniel S agholor got hands like feet. A lot of things go into the eagles failing this season mostly receivers dropping catchable passes. It’s definitely a collective because there’s a lot of inconsistency throughout the entire team.
@@daniels5255 that was a game winning TD that hit the man in his hands, no excuses for that level of ineptitude. I don't think anyone will even take him on once the eagles release him. He's dropped two game winners this year, how many more u want him to drop?
Y’all make more excuses for Wentz and he’s a 1st rd pick but don’t give the credit Dak deserves and he’s a 4th rd pick with MVP stats but since his team ain’t putting wins together Dak is to blame smfh 🤦♂️
Look, at some point we have to realize that Nick Foles is better than Carson Wentz in Philly! Wentz would probably do better outside of Philly than Foles. Foles doesn't know how to play QB outside of that city. So if I'm Philly, I would call Jacksonville in the off season and see if we can swap QBs.
I totally agree😎 Foles is made for philly
Max right about the team liking folds much more they show more effort when they play with him. They show no urgency playing with wentz lol them dude don't like him and u can see it
entertainment vidz agreed
No Carson Wentz ain't Nick Foles just made da eagles offense look easy 2 do Wentz just not dat good wit this offense 🤷🏽♂️
Jerry Rice Yeah, Wentz didn’t get benched for a 6th round rookie 🤣
@@JamesDea45 u just wanna make jokes instead of understanding what im saying da eagles offense turned up in da playoffs because with Nick Foles they ran the RPO which with da skill type they got and Foles making good decisions no one could've stopped it now with Wentz they run a West Coast offense which works but the eagles dont have that skill set 2 overwhelm opponents Nick Foles shouldn't have gotten dat money or went 2 Jacksonville but he knows he stole a payday and da eagles shouldn't have let him go knowing they can go 2 dat RPO offense wit Foles and win games when teams start shutting down they offense like what's been goin on these past couple weeks but what do I know🤷🏽♂️
@@JamesDea45 thats tuff
@@jerryrice2652 I get what ur saying.... in that case, coaching staff should adapt to carson wentz's strengths instead of trying to make him a west coast qb.... when reich was oc in 2017, it wasn't all west coast concepts...they did a lot of vertical passing and rollouts
RPOs would work with the eagles too if pederson learned to not abandon the run after it works a few times, but the guy is too stubborn
Why you dropping the ball when I throw it but catch it when he throw it🤣🤣
Max Won😂😂
He really did tho... look how exasperated Dan was when he said that
No he didnt. That made zero sense. Foles and Wentz throwing it to your hands and you catching one but dropping the other is not the QBs fault at all. The receiver just sucks
Eagles should have never got rid of Nick Foles
Shouldve kept foles
Fernando Marin Riiiight...the guy who just got benched for a rookie. 😒
Gerard Davis also Case Keenum, people forgot about that 😂
Steven A you said it all thank you
for a second overall pick, wentz is not playing to his standards. glad we got a qb like dak in the fourth round and the eagles are stuck with wentz
This aged poorly
Max eating this guy's lunch. lol
Stickz & Stoned Max got crushed in this debate lol.
philly lost to miami.
foles is 11-1 with same team
the eagles play harder for foles thats why they lose every week with wentz the dolphins wanted it more shows the team doesnt give full effort for wentz and they dont want to run through a brick wall for wentz.
@@dannywoodson5049 😢 😢
Danny woodson sops his panties
@@dannywoodson5049 if players dont want to play, then they should be cut.
foles was the better qb......
so that we are clear, when the eagles turn it around either this year or next year, dont give wentz any credit for the turnaround, since we dont wanna give him any blame.
I dont see them turning it around this year. They have a chance of course, any given Sunday still applies when/if you make it to the playoffs. But the problems they have run pretty deep, serious lack of pass rush, spotty OLine play, horrible secondary and wide out play. Not to mention they seem to shy away from the run game at times when it is easily their best weapon.
And if they dont turn it around this year, i think they are going into a semi rebuild mode. They have some big contract/backloaded contracts that arr going to put us well over the cap in a year or two and alot of players not playing up to their contract....and then there's the coaches. Thr assistant coaches are catching the majority of the blame for the bad play and lack of development. So i dont really see that prediction coming true.....UNLESS they actually do turn it around this year...but they only have like a 15% chance of actually righting the ship and actually make a playoff run.
At the beginning of the season with the same players the eagles have now weren't you all saying they were a superbowl contender now everyone is making excuses about the same players that started the season
@ron silvia.......good point
Jordan Howard is on IR and Desean Jackson only played week 1....thats the only difference
As a eagles fan, Dan is wrong when he said in 2018 they got healthier when Foles came in. Uhhh no. The ONLY guy who really came back was Darren Sproles. Had the same defensive personnel and same offensive personnel. And this year, yes guys are dropping passes for the eagles but Wentz hasn’t been particularly accurate either. But the one person to be blamed is DOUG PEDERSON! Refuses to run the ball. 2 notable games that the eagles won this year was against Green Bay and Buffalo. Look at the rushing stats for those 2 games and you can see that if the eagles run the ball and control the clock that they can be a very good team
The most hilarious part about Max's criticism of Wentz is he's relentless in bashing Wentz but will reluctantly say "Baker is underperforming and not playing well this year". Son, out a Wentz on the Browns this year and I GUARANTEE you they have a winning record and are a playoff team.
As a Eagles fan I'm placing blame on everything. management, coaching, Wentz, WR, O line, D. Its everything and it has been for the past two years after the Superbowl.
Well obviously. All foles did was come in, throw a few passes and the defense carried him to a super bowl
Incrediber 0:41
He also simplified the system for Wentz too. Wentz just does too much
Nick foles has always exceeded expectations when expectations are low. Remember the 27-2 touchdown to int ratio. Wentz has a good year. Not so much lately
No that was when chip kellys offense first entered the league. Also that year he should've had way more than 2 ints. More than a 4th of his tds came from 1 game on top of that. He played well but let's not act like he was some sort of known commodity.
@@phillyfanatic11 what do you mean by "known commodity?"?
@@dbzfanzone4725 people harp on the 27-2 season as part of Foles resume when it should be treated as an anamoly. Before the 27-2 season he was just a guy coming off his rookie season. Im pretty sure he even lost the qb battle going into that season.
Foles just got benched. Jacksonville didn't have high expectations for him? Lol
Can't blame Doug when Carson throws the ball at the ground or out the back of the endzone. He was horrific against the Pats and the Seahawks, just horrible.
2017 the Eagles lead the rushing and that helped both Wentz and Foles. Last year when Foles took over all of sudden they became a top 5 rushing offence after being the 31st ranked rush offence when Wentz played. How bout this, the Eagles have lost their last 3 games, they 've thrown the ball 146 times and have ran 61, all the while Miles Sanders has been averging 4.6 a carry in that stretch. All great Super bowls contenders either had elite defences or elite running attacks. Just look at the 49ers, Ravens, and Seahawks. All 10-2 and are top 5 in rushing. Stop it with the Wentz hate. Its Perderson.
I love that Max man you see the difference in wanze and foles
Simply put. The players played harder for Foles to make up for his deficiencies. That's not fair to Wentz, players should play their hardest regardless of who's playing.
Nick foles- Super Bowl MVP
Carson Wentz- No playoffs appearances
Cantu Wentz got them there
@@jay_1212 wrong eagles have zero playoff wins with wentz eagles wnet undefeated without wentz eagles have 3 out of 4 losing seasons iwth wentz
@@jay_1212 how do you figure....first place teams get eliminated from the first round of the playoffs very often so why would you think that carson wentz got us to the superbowl
eoe123321 the defense got healthy at that point of them season. Wentz was also playing hurt then.
Max is bullying both of them honestly.
Carson was asked to do the same thing as Nick, which is win games. People make excuses for Wentz too much because they all called him the next great QB. He had one great year and they crowned him.
It's simple, win games. It all goes away.
What Max is saying is true. Not a lot of people want to see it because they want to believe in Carson Wentz, but what’s there to believe when Nick Foles’ results were better than Carson Wentz? Yes, Carson Wentz had an MVP year in 2017, but it was Nick Foles who finished for the city of Philadelphia. Last year, Nick Foles started the season with 2-1 until Carson Wentz came back and got the team down to 6-7 then once again Nick Foles finished the job for the city of Philadelphia and almost went to the SB again!!! You can’t expect a player to play the same if the coaching and play style are different.
3 grown men, and Molly's the only grown up there able to let someone finish a sentence without interrupting 20 times. You have the patience of a saint
Not all on wentz, but we’re lying if we don’t admit that he’s regressed
Eagles has nothing to offer on offense right now.
kyrietherealmamba they tryna make him a pocket passer when it’s not his style that’s not how he play they need to let Carson run with the ball get him out the pocket make a schema that fits him and the way he plays
The evidence suggests that all Wentz needs to perform at an MVP level is a deep threat and a moderately good run game. In 2017 he had Tory Smith to take the top off the defense, and their offense was hot all year. In 2018 he didn't have a speed receiver period, and he still played pretty well all things considered. In the first game with DeSean Jackson in the lineup he threw 3 TD passes, 2 to Jackson deep. Taking away that deep threat neuters the Eagles offense. Defenses aren't afraid of Alshon Jeffrey beating them deep, and that makes it much harder to complete short and mid range passes, because there's no consequences for biting on those routes.
Nick foles been better. Tried tellin philly fans. But naw Carson Is "Bigger" .. Lol tf that suppose to meant
WHEN IT MATTERS MOST
eagles averaged 25 points in regular season with foles last year and only 22 with wentz and foles played tougher teams
I agree with max 100%
Dan came in with the heat today
dan embarrasses himself every day
danny woodson at least it’s asports discussion. Blows away running out of bounds in your own endzone 🤪
Stop letting max talk about the eagles. Give him a juice box & let him sit in the corner during that segment
Dan is a great analyst
You're not going to win an argument with Max..super intelligent dude and makes very good sense.. even when everyone else is opposed..
like how he says its wentz fault the eagles lost in miami even though he threw for 3 tds and 300+ yrds and they scored 31 points.... he tried to blame the defense's terrible performance on wentz's inability to "elevate their play"..... makes total sense to me
I think foles works better with the coaching style over carson for the eagles
Notice he says why does the team play much better under Foles. The offense was the same when he came in after wentz injury in 2017. In 2018 they got healthy at the moment when wentz had his back injury. Defensively they found a stud in Leblanc and the emergence of Maddox at S/Nickel helped the secondary. 2018 is the only outlier to really support Max’s point and then he uses the article to reinforce his thoughts. Even during this year. Wentz hasn’t been the best but he and Brady are literally in the same boat in terms offensive talent and consistency within the supporting cast.
My argument is of course Wentz is asked to do more, go look at the salary for both players. A 30 million dollar QB should be asked to do a lot more than a backup.
this predates his contract, even in 2017 when foles took over, pederson and reich wanted to simplify the playbook bc foles didnt have the mobility wentz does to run some of the plays
all of a sudden pederson wants to forget about running the ball even when its effective and force carson to pass it every other down, and hes working with the worst graded receiving core in the nfl... cant be a pass heavy team when the wrs can rarely get open as it is
Oh shut up Max. You said that Winston was a top 10 QB.
Alejandro Frade no he didn’t 😯😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@topoppjohn5087 yes he did.