@@edwardlenovo3240 not true. When I get ready to compete I let my partner know I'm getting competition ready, and will be going harder, so now they know
@@Bradley9967 LOL you sound like one of those crappy BJJ guys that learned everything they know about bjj via the armed services martial arts program...
@LlamaBearMan On a serious note, I do think that bjj is getting watered down and that we need a higher level of intensity. We should go ecological. I know that I'm not going hard enough if I go a whole week with injuring anyone. 😉
I had this done to me during my second ever jujitsu class because the instructor learned that I knew some judo (classes I had taken when I was a lot younger) and wanted to have one of his guys show me that jujitsu was better than judo. He was somewhat upset that I had pinned one of his blue belts. I had no idea how to make anyone tap. I had been respectful and wasn’t being a show off. But he had to prove a point. He put me with a guy that was more capable than the blue belt but was a yellow belt. I escaped a triangle and that irritated him. Then the guy did this particular move and cranked so fast and hard my whole spinal cord cracked like a machine gun. He even said, oh shite. 12 years and I’m still going to therapy to help with the pain. It comes back to haunt me once every so often. I guess my fault was having taken classes in a judo school they taught you respect and control. Where cranking someone’s neck wouldn’t show him who’s boss. I’ve been to a couple jujitsu classes where this happens on the regular. But in general, in jujitsu if you get injured it’s because your partner has sociopathic tendencies and no one notices. Usually the instructor is more concerned that you’ll sue. But other than that, there is no checking that kind of behavior. It weeds the ones that can’t win competitions out of the herd. So then the school only ends up with champions. Which is good for business. Ankle and knee locks included. Everyone that has them cranked violently on them knows it’s allowed behavior in some gyms if it means losing or winning during practice. No one’s is looking. Or warning people not to do such things. There’s a lot of dangerous guys out there with a lot of trophies and a trail of injured newbies. If you’re starting jujitsu find a conscientious instructor. Or your jujitsu career will be short and have long term consequences.
@@calebgibson7383 hahahah. Yeah. Oopsie. Hells no. I felt him flinch. And he immediately let go. And saw his face afterward. Staring at me like maybe I stole his wallet. His look was: oh crap. I f’d him up. Then when he saw I was able to move. He played it off smoothly. The class was over. Everybody went home.
@@yurtze8113 We have a rule that white belts are not allowed to go for leglocks or be leglocked, esp b/c when you're new you don't realize how easy it is to wreck a knee, or your own by spinning the wrong way, ie BJ Penn V Hall. As a rule, I only move to finish holds I struggle with. Others, if I can grab and fully control my opponent for 1 second, I catch and release, and we continue the roll. Keeps injuries out of it.
A yellow belt? So he was a child? The child was more capable than the adult blue belt? Or maybe your getting the BJJ belt system confused. Adults white-blue-purple-brown-black. Yellow and orange are juvenile belts only. You are eligible for a blue belt at 16 purple at 18.
@@Jaguar-lr7jq How? The moment it becomes uncomfortable and painful is when you TAP and move on…crying about or protesting certain submissions only does you a disservice.
No he didn't. Khabib used the fulcrum choke to submit Conor. Well, more like a fulcrum neck crank. As soon as he did that, I knew it was over for Conor. A fulcrum neck crank is a horrible thing to be locked in.
@unknownceleb642 how exactly is it different besides the way they're positioned a RNC would be a RNC in either position the way the arm goes across the face and is cranked to make the opponent tap its literally the same
@@christianguerrero1305 no it isn't the same. Go back, and look at the Khabib fight. Notice how Khabib locks his hands, and uses his forearm to press against Conors back. That gives khabib a more tighter choke/crank than it would with an RNC, and the way khabib's pulling makes Conors head feel like it's about to pop off his shoulders. You're not getting that with a RNC.
In wrestling we call that a crossface. My coach taught me that 30 years ago. It's very effective especially if the pointy thumb joints push into their chin.
Curious why we don't see more holds like this and the crossface used in mma / ufc. And I am not talking pro wrestling style. I mean forearm crank across the bridge of the nose 👃. Especially when a guy is defending the rear naked choke. If applied right it will at mine damage you opponent possibly break the nose, impair vision and breathing from the nose.
A criss face creates the same lift while usimg the same movement across the nose pointing down to the chin. It almost guarantees a burn across the face to where he will lift it instead of turning the the under hook side. Cross face. Rimam wrestling over bjj
I don't know why everyone looks away from the choke, when raising your shoulder toward the choke and hiding your chin behind it is so much stonger... I guess they want to get finished like this. Top notch video.
Nope, jayden would slide his left hand under your forearm and lift up to release pressure on his chin and be able to tuck it into the center of his chest. I agree with everything else but to think theres no way to escape that is ridiculous unless they dont know what theyre doing.
Jaden when he does that use your same side arm to push up his elbow enough to slip a knife hand under his arm creating enough space to turn your chin into his elbow pit while keeping your chin down protecting you from the RNC.
Kinda cool, there is a situation witj biting that allows them too Ive found from doorwork, for submission to get a comply is 1 across the nose, 1 across the mouth, distraction :i cant breathe" in their brain, works 10 out of 10
I see the point. Using this move i think the point is to bait the person with just enough pressure that once the you LET THEM out of it and in doing ao they give YOU their neck ergo the choke. Js.
I gave up two Ezekiel chokes in one session because they sunk their chins down so far and instead of face cranking my partners i decided on finding another submission. Face cranks are not things to promote. Unless you're in a street fight.
People day catch wrestling doesn’t have choke defense, but how is that possible when face cranks are their bread and butter? They're mechanically very similar.
When I was fresh out of boot. I remember a bunch of the guys wrestling at my post. I was asked to participate. I'm a big guy, and a few of them wanted to test me. First guy, I remember being in a similar position as this video. I used my forearm across his eyes and nose and squeezed. He said it felt like his head was going to pop.
In a real fight, tournament, sure. But in everyday training, I wouldn't.
then you'll never wind up doing it
@@edwardlenovo3240 not true. When I get ready to compete I let my partner know I'm getting competition ready, and will be going harder, so now they know
Why?
@@RaphaelRiabecause it’s an asshole move
@@felixkernot1787 so who cares it’s still a move worth doing
How to lose friends 101😂
When you're rolling, they are no longer your friends. They are enermy combatives that must be broken.
@@Bradley9967 Dumb.
@LlamaBearMan When you're rolling, it's kill or be killed.
You ever blead on the battlefield, or you blead in training.
@@Bradley9967 LOL you sound like one of those crappy BJJ guys that learned everything they know about bjj via the armed services martial arts program...
@LlamaBearMan On a serious note, I do think that bjj is getting watered down and that we need a higher level of intensity.
We should go ecological.
I know that I'm not going hard enough if I go a whole week with injuring anyone. 😉
this might not be something you use in a friendly roll sure but in competition this isn’t a terrible idea
If you don't practice in the gym you will find it harder to do in competition.
In competition it's more than likely banned under the "no hands elbows forearms on the face" rule unless you're pro
Under ibjjf rules pure neck cranks are illegal and could get you disqualified.
@@lawrencefishbourne5500 i meant mma, idk all the bjj rules
My thoughts exactly. Competition only
I had this done to me during my second ever jujitsu class because the instructor learned that I knew some judo (classes I had taken when I was a lot younger) and wanted to have one of his guys show me that jujitsu was better than judo. He was somewhat upset that I had pinned one of his blue belts. I had no idea how to make anyone tap. I had been respectful and wasn’t being a show off. But he had to prove a point.
He put me with a guy that was more capable than the blue belt but was a yellow belt. I escaped a triangle and that irritated him. Then the guy did this particular move and cranked so fast and hard my whole spinal cord cracked like a machine gun. He even said, oh shite.
12 years and I’m still going to therapy to help with the pain. It comes back to haunt me once every so often.
I guess my fault was having taken classes in a judo school they taught you respect and control. Where cranking someone’s neck wouldn’t show him who’s boss. I’ve been to a couple jujitsu classes where this happens on the regular. But in general, in jujitsu if you get injured it’s because your partner has sociopathic tendencies and no one notices. Usually the instructor is more concerned that you’ll sue. But other than that, there is no checking that kind of behavior. It weeds the ones that can’t win competitions out of the herd. So then the school only ends up with champions. Which is good for business.
Ankle and knee locks included. Everyone that has them cranked violently on them knows it’s allowed behavior in some gyms if it means losing or winning during practice. No one’s is looking. Or warning people not to do such things.
There’s a lot of dangerous guys out there with a lot of trophies and a trail of injured newbies.
If you’re starting jujitsu find a conscientious instructor. Or your jujitsu career will be short and have long term consequences.
fuck that, people who cranks necks without giving a chance to tap are pieces of shit
What happened after he cracked your neck? Did he apologize?
@@calebgibson7383 hahahah. Yeah. Oopsie.
Hells no. I felt him flinch. And he immediately let go. And saw his face afterward. Staring at me like maybe I stole his wallet. His look was: oh crap. I f’d him up. Then when he saw I was able to move. He played it off smoothly. The class was over. Everybody went home.
@@yurtze8113 We have a rule that white belts are not allowed to go for leglocks or be leglocked, esp b/c when you're new you don't realize how easy it is to wreck a knee, or your own by spinning the wrong way, ie BJ Penn V Hall. As a rule, I only move to finish holds I struggle with. Others, if I can grab and fully control my opponent for 1 second, I catch and release, and we continue the roll. Keeps injuries out of it.
A yellow belt? So he was a child? The child was more capable than the adult blue belt? Or maybe your getting the BJJ belt system confused. Adults white-blue-purple-brown-black. Yellow and orange are juvenile belts only. You are eligible for a blue belt at 16 purple at 18.
This is an amazing technique to make people at your gym not want to roll with you.
Im guessing this is for sparring or competition, not casual rolling.
No, just do the RNC. People, don't do this to your training partners.
You know you can just tap right ?
@@Daniel-cu9wjit’s very dirty to do to someone you respect
@@Jaguar-lr7jq How? The moment it becomes uncomfortable and painful is when you TAP and move on…crying about or protesting certain submissions only does you a disservice.
@@Quarterbtw No, it’s about longevity and being able to turn your head when you’re forty.
@@stevezy4772which is why you tap
I just recall when Khabib face cranked Conor ..
Me too, it was either tap or sleep permanently.
Nah khabib had his other arm on Conor’s back pressing him towards the chock which is a neck crank and hurts like hell
Cross face from Catch wrestling.
You crank the neck.
Came here to say the same thing
That was a neck crank
New jujitsu athletes watching this video don’t use this in gym people will mysteriously start avoiding you or get mad and destroy you in rolling.
His helpers eyes scream ‘im in danger’ at the beginning of the clip.
More like “damn thats an awkward ass position and im being filmed in front of potentially millions of people”
Imma mike tyson that hand 😂😂
That's a great idea😂
My inner Goku told me to bite, imma bite.
Another great move that in combination with others will ensure chronic neck pathologies
Never mind that RNC is the most effective submission in UFC statistically
Probably because people would rather give up the neck than take this monstrosity
You sir are a wealth of knowledge!
Ala khabib tapping out Conor. His crank was sooo vicious!
Chimaev vs. Whittaker was a nasty crank.
Nasty. I love it.
Even in a fredly roll, if you do it slowly it should not be painfull and I think its a good tehnique to use, to switch focus from rare naked...
This is what khabib did to conor McGregor to make him tap
No he didn't. Khabib used the fulcrum choke to submit Conor. Well, more like a fulcrum neck crank.
As soon as he did that, I knew it was over for Conor. A fulcrum neck crank is a horrible thing to be locked in.
@unknownceleb642 its literally the same thing bruh 😂
@@christianguerrero1305 no it isn't. That's like saying the bulldog choke and the guillotine choke is the same. It's different techniques.
@unknownceleb642 how exactly is it different besides the way they're positioned a RNC would be a RNC in either position the way the arm goes across the face and is cranked to make the opponent tap its literally the same
@@christianguerrero1305 no it isn't the same. Go back, and look at the Khabib fight. Notice how Khabib locks his hands, and uses his forearm to press against Conors back. That gives khabib a more tighter choke/crank than it would with an RNC, and the way khabib's pulling makes Conors head feel like it's about to pop off his shoulders. You're not getting that with a RNC.
Nice move or technique 👍♥️it.
cross facing someone hard in a training scenario is probably a good way to piss ppl off. in competition its fine
We do that in wrestling all the time since we can't choke
yuh setup to crossface cradle
Nothing like a good ol’ crossface to get your point across.
Ask MCTAPPER about Khabib's technique in receiving a brutal neck/face crank.
In wrestling we call that a crossface. My coach taught me that 30 years ago. It's very effective especially if the pointy thumb joints push into their chin.
Might be a little late but I do this in wrestling when I need to do certain cradles
Sweet🤜💥🤛💚⚔️💚
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Cool 😎 thanks
I’m glad I’m not the only one who closes their eyes when being picked for demonstration
"We call it the face crank." Dude, thats a standard catch wrestling technique...
Idk I think dude might of invented this, I’m not a fan of the name though, maybe rename it as a “Cross face”
Good lord that’s effective af. Legit
Curious why we don't see more holds like this and the crossface used in mma / ufc.
And I am not talking pro wrestling style.
I mean forearm crank across the bridge of the nose 👃.
Especially when a guy is defending the rear naked choke.
If applied right it will at mine damage you opponent possibly break the nose, impair vision and breathing from the nose.
A criss face creates the same lift while usimg the same movement across the nose pointing down to the chin. It almost guarantees a burn across the face to where he will lift it instead of turning the the under hook side. Cross face. Rimam wrestling over bjj
I don't know why everyone looks away from the choke, when raising your shoulder toward the choke and hiding your chin behind it is so much stonger... I guess they want to get finished like this. Top notch video.
I love this!! Use it all the time. Others complaining have obviously never heard of catch wrestling!
What a goon. Catch wrestling isn't bjj. If you gotta crank someone's neck to get a tap from their back you suck....keep training
Nope, jayden would slide his left hand under your forearm and lift up to release pressure on his chin and be able to tuck it into the center of his chest. I agree with everything else but to think theres no way to escape that is ridiculous unless they dont know what theyre doing.
Wow been doing that for a hundred years ago thanks BJJ for keeping up
all cozy and nice
Cranks are crazy
It’s not what you do in training, it’s how you do it. Done with control is fine. Lack of control is low level in all martial arts.
Can't stop will not stop
Very Very nice
"what would you have to do?"
(Jaden bites wrist)
Dangerous! This coach is so dangerous! Hee hee
Jaden when he does that use your same side arm to push up his elbow enough to slip a knife hand under his arm creating enough space to turn your chin into his elbow pit while keeping your chin down protecting you from the RNC.
well, I still want to have a few trainingpartner left in the gym
Aren‘t neck crank illegal in most tournaments?
remind's me of what happened to conner McGregor
Nice
Call a crossface…. Wrestlers been doing it forever
Rick (the horror) Story used this in the UFC and it was brutal. Looked like he was going to turn his opponents head all the way backward!
Why render your opponent momentarily unconscious when you can turn them into a paraplegic with this one simple trick
I wonder if there's a move that will guarentee I lose all my favorite training partners 🤔?
If your partner doesn't like it, all he has to do is tap. If you don't practice things in training, you won't remember it in competition.
In the gyms in Brazil, people without mercy choke you in the middle of your face, over your nose if you try to protect your neck.
It's called a cross face.... we have been doing this in wrestling
That's how Khabib beat Conor.
Nope he did à fullkrum choke. Khabib was always concernés about his opponents health. Even if with Conor it did not look like it.
Nope he did à fullkrum choke. Khabib was always concernés about his opponents health. Even if with Conor it did not look like it.
Sporty. :)
This is how Gordon tapped marcel goncalves at EBI 11
Extend your back and legs while you crank at the end 🤌
brutality at its finest!
Khabib face cranked Conor ..
Kinda cool, there is a situation witj biting that allows them too
Ive found from doorwork, for submission to get a comply is 1 across the nose, 1 across the mouth, distraction :i cant breathe" in their brain, works 10 out of 10
I see the point. Using this move i think the point is to bait the person with just enough pressure that once the you LET THEM out of it and in doing ao they give YOU their neck ergo the choke. Js.
Good technique but easier said then done in the heat of battle.
Joint pressure is a tremendous skill,practice sukx azz as injury is part of the ritual,make No mistake,these skills can Save your life.
I feel like the choke would be more brutal but this is a good option to have 👍🏾
the choke is indeed, NOT, more brutal
Is that legal in competition?
Depends. It is illegal in most competitions
BJJ has a hard time saying "cross-face" and other terminology "borrowed" from other combat arts.
Seen Shinya Aoki do that in MMA
Or you could get the rear necked grip over the chin and lever your other arm behind their back i think its called a fulcrum choke
I’ve been face cranked rolling and neck was sore for days
time to fuck it uppp~!!!!
I gave up two Ezekiel chokes in one session because they sunk their chins down so far and instead of face cranking my partners i decided on finding another submission. Face cranks are not things to promote. Unless you're in a street fight.
People day catch wrestling doesn’t have choke defense, but how is that possible when face cranks are their bread and butter? They're mechanically very similar.
Neck cranks are legal in tournaments?
Instructions not clear Mr.big ego isn’t responsive now
khabib time!
Conor PTSD
🔥🙏🏾💯
Khabib did it to Conor
When I was fresh out of boot. I remember a bunch of the guys wrestling at my post. I was asked to participate. I'm a big guy, and a few of them wanted to test me. First guy, I remember being in a similar position as this video. I used my forearm across his eyes and nose and squeezed. He said it felt like his head was going to pop.
Bro don’t do this on trainings. It’s brutal and really hurts ur opponent just because you don’t wanna hustle the RNC.
I'm submitting this video to the ICC 😂
Other dude is into it
Now this is the effective BJJ I've been looking for.
What Khabib did to Conor to make him tap
I am pretty sure Khabib did this to conor mcgregor.
You bite a huge piece out of his hand as he screams
My little sister hates this move but TY!
yooo follow this one sick trick to get kicked out of your school in one day 🔥🔥🔥
I think this is how khabib finished Conor Mcgregor, I’m not sure it was either him or Dustin porier
Good way to piss off your roll partner.
is this ibjjf legal?
Unless you're on the street and the guy bites your thumb off or a piece of your arm
There are so many like this one why never ever I see ufc fighters using this they are professional no way they don’t know this things no ?
Defensive guy: throw your leg over his, and barely thrust your hips... BJJ 101 counter
Unless you are a heavyweight youre not finishing a tough oponent with a face crank but you can definitely finish him with a mandible tho
Straight from wrestling
Neck cranks are illegal in MMA and most tournaments just fyi