KTM FREERIDE E-XC vs. SUR-RON X | Electric Dirt Bike Test
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Tucker Neary from Electric Cycle Rider does a head to head comparison of the 2020 KTM Freeride E-XC vs the Sur-Ron X on a singletrack test track in Colorado.
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The KTM Freeride E-XC weighs 250 pounds and has a peak power output of 18Kw. The Freeride has 43mm WP Xplor forks and a PDS rear shock. The modifications to the Freeride E-XC in this video is a Nihilo Concepts oversized brake kit and rotor and Michelin Starcross 5 tires.
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The Sur-Ron X is an electric dirt bike, otherwise known as the LightBee X. This ultra light Chinese bike combines features of a full size motocross bike and a mountain bike to make a dirt bike that rides in a category of it's own. The Sur-Ron X Limited Black Edition came with the Rockshox Boxxer fork. The modifications to the Sur-Ron X in this video are a Wicked Wheel Werks Wheelset with 21” Front Rim, XC-Gear Hammerhead360 Stem, Fox Vanilla Shock, Pro Taper 3” Rise Handlebars, Shimano Brake Pads, and the new Sur-Ron Electronic Ride By Wire Throttle.
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Pirelli Scorpion
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Shinko 241
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To record this test, Tucker used a Polar Vantage watch paired with a H10 hear rate monitor and a LITPro GPS Tracking device to record the lap times.
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Show The Motor RPM & THE AMP Draw video graphics on the ride on the video OK fix stupid TR that's A trademark LOL
Pls give me a suron
I'm from piliphines zambales masiloc inhobol
I could sneak a Surron into my local trails that I ride to from my house without putting the bike on a car. Not so with the KTM.
Hey...was wonder what you weigh and the top speeds of the bikes. Would they handle a 250 lb rider very well....nice video...thx and keep it up
I had no intention of buying an e dirtbike....until now. Thanks for opening my eyes. That KTM would be awesome in the back of my truck when camping. It wouldn't bother other campers in the area.
@mixflip That's awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing and drop a note when you get one! 👍
Same I have a sx-f but this looks like a blast
Personally wouldn’t bother seen full power 30+bhp 125s race them and there still abit slower
@@justinteixeiravaz I got an Electric Motion ePure Race. I can ride from my garage to the park and anywhere else with the same power as a 300cc and nobody says a word or hears it!
Till ya got that generator running at 3 in the morning charging it up.
Freaking amazing! Just a few years back, I couldn’t even image a bike like this. Great riding and great video.
It's interesting to see the different industries converge on the same idea. The KTM is more motorcycle, whereas the Sur-Ron is more bicycle.
Hi 👋 I made 2 conversion of KTM RC ⚡️⚡️⚡️ watch it in my channel👈👈👈🧨🧨🧨
KTM is also more than twice the price so there's that.
Would of been really nice to see battery life after on each.
This is how a test should be done, real good input covering all grounds doing an honest comparison 👍🏻
@Wheelie Wade Thiesen Thanks! Appreciate the note.
Damm good review, seemingly unbiased, and addressed many questions
Another good video but there's just one more comparison I'd like to see. The design of the Sur Ron seems to lean more trials friendly than the full size dirt bikes. If you could get a video of a technical, stop and go, average speed under 10 mph kind of trail, then I'd love to see it.
If you hung a FMF pipe off the Sur Ron it would greatly improve lap times. Or a sticker for slight improvement.
Don’t forget to increase the intake as well with a nice K&N breather.
;)
Exact video I’ve been wanting and waiting to watch. Thanks!!
@Robert Corser Thanks! 👍
Watching to watch? 🤔
@@gladtv7873 HA!! Good catch....corrected. :-)
Thank you for an excellent comparison. This is how it should be done.
Great job on the video Tucker! Thanks for making it.
Hey thanks for the video Tucker, that answered a few questions i had.
@Aaron L Buchanan Awesome! I'm super happy to hear that. That is my goal, after all. Thanks for your support Aaron! 👍
Man, you've got balls to run so hot on that track. I'm currently building a Stealth Bomber frame e-bike and it's about the same weight and look as the Sur Ron, has a noseless Schwinn seat, the mid-drive motor is the Luna Cycle Cyclone 3D 3000watt with the standard sine wave controller, the battery I'm building is a 72Volt 40 AH battery made from LifePO4 32650's @ 3.2V 6amp, should be able to get around 45MPH, but watching you go around that track, I'm wondering if I'm ever going to get that fast. Maybe if I had some long level stretches with no turns, but at 64 years old, I don't think my reflexes are going to be up to running like you did. Hats off to yuh! It was a lot of fun, just watching you. I think my heart rate got higher when you ran the E-XC! 🖖😎
I wish I could turn back the clock even just 10 years just don’t have the money for either one it would open up a whole new world for me simply amazing 👍🏻
Dont worry God has a garage full for you one day
@@wrighthausracing9641 thank you
This machine will go fast enough to hurt you. Im impressed. I appreciate this stuff, the bikes are getting better so quickly. These vids are getting it done...
So will any, down a hill ;) but I am also impressed. The price point for the Sur-Ron is quite impressive as well.
That was pretty awesome. Heaps of physical effort for a test well done.
Cool comparison n excellent riding, thx. For posting!
@John Berry Thanks! 👍
Flawless riding. What an exciting video. I’d like to ride through there on the Sur Ron at a leisurely pace and enjoy some scenery. My days of going fast at all are far behind me. Thanks for the video. I appreciate it. Have fun. Try to be safe👍🏻🇺🇸🤠
You're one hell of a pilot, i would NEVER EVER lend you my bike lol
@gg morris 😂
😄 i would hit the first tree in the first corner and fall down on these rocks and break something at 1/5 of this speed
@@wiesodass5543 jajajaja
Apart from the biketest, amazing to see how the guy rides!
He knows that track
It's very amazing bro that you did this, I like it very much. Also you ride my dreambike sur-ron x I'll keep following you on youtube
Such a good video! Thanks
Great video!
Cool video! Keep up the good work
@Tacos&TwoWheels Thank you!
I don’t know if this has been said but, go back another day and swap the ride order. Start on KTM and then ride the other. See if warming up on one changes the results on the other.
Good point
He did one some time back, riding an ICE KTM first and then riding the Surron.
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thx for the great content!!
Thanks for the review. I was wondering the the experience differs between these two.
Getting my surron in a week use it for trails behind my house I have a19 KX 450 for the track great video thanks
@MrDjh66 Awesome, Have fun!
Electric cycle rider I would really love to see a comparison to the new REV-X or CZEM as I have my eyes on those, they look great and seem robust.
Also would be good to hear the range difference between the Ktm & Surron. Thanks for the test.
@Ray Heppner Thanks for reaching out! I am actually going out to test the CZEM in a couple of weeks. I will have some videos in the near future with that bike.
As for range, I am seeing approximately 20 miles on the KTM in these conditions and about 17 miles on the Sur-Ron in the same conditions.
@@ElectricCycleRider Thanks for sharing
@@ElectricCycleRider wow that’s a really low range I thought they can do more..
After that, do you have to charge them?
Or can you put in a spare battery and continue riding, while the other battery is charging on your generator?
Great video
Cake Kalk vs Freeride, I rode the Kalk OR and my Light Bee back to back and the Kalk definitely felt more powerful and bigger. I think the Kalk would be a good comparison to the Freeride. I've yet to ride the Freeride though. The Kalk weigh's 25lbs more than the Light Bee but it definitely more powerful, it doesn't "feel" as light as the Light Bee though.
Lovin my Sur Ron !! Looking to upgrade the controller eventually but for now it's great for local dirt trails where you'd normally get chased off of on a gas DB. The Freerides seem like a lot of fun too ... but the Sur Ron's are a bit stealthier IMO. They look more like a mountain bike than a dirt bike at first glance... Great review though ECR !! 🙌🏼
@A Jelltone Right on! Thanks for the note!
sure you do.sure
awesome videos man
@SEG-WAYUP JACH Thanks dude!
Awesome speed on the eBike! Incredible!
Awesome video
Dude I love my Hondas but and I think I'm going to get a electric dirt bike in the near future LOL I really dig them
I'm surprised honda hasn't come out with an electric dbike
Love how he's thrashing them hard over rough as hell terrain lmso
I would expect the KTM to be able to thrashed. KTMs rule and have lead many innovations in offroad motorcycles for years, forcing the Japanese adopt same. Obv they have dominated off road racing in the US for years, and of course World GP MXbut had little success in SX/MX in America until they took up that objective and started actually sponsoring riders in America specifically for US racing......
Just amazing how far E cycles have come! Thanks for showing them off. It’s a tough job but somebody’s gotta do it, right? ;^)
@Bryan Dickerson Haha, so true! It is without a doubt a lot of fun making these videos! The tough days don't often come through on camera but I can assure you there is a load of behind-the-scenes effort to make these happen. Just glad people like you are watching. Thanks for your support Bryan! 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider
Next comparison I'd like to see, Drill One vs FreeRide vs Talaria.
Thanks great comparison. I’d like to see the optibike vs sirron
Great vid, would like to see Stealth Bomber B52 vs. Surron X
Great vid
Nice comparison, thank you. Would love to see the final Alta and the upcoming Sur-Ron thrown in. These 4 bikes comprise the exact group I have been considering for my next single track bike.
@Dave Stacionis Thank you! Yes, for sure that will be fun. I'll be doing a bunch of tests with the Storm when it becomes available and have access to a couple of Alta MX and MXR's we can throw in the mix as well. Appreciate the feedback!
Gotta love the narration while riding
Nice work, really good video. I am planning to buy Sur Ron but i have doubt about battery temperature as we all ride dirt bike to their limits so this electric version batteries will heat up a lot, its a most important critical factor but no video shows what exactly temperature behaviour of sur ron batteries in field, can you guyz show us, it would be so exciting to watch temperature behaviour of Sur Ron battery in action.
can strongly reccomend a new controller on the surron... changes the feel entirely even with the stock battery. gives about 2x the torque low down, difference is smaller at higher speeds (battery limits the power) but still pulls a bit harder and just 'feels' lighter/more agile.
@sn0wchyld Awesome. Yea man, still working out how to get one but looking forward to trying it for sure!
@@ElectricCycleRider well the nucular gets my recommendation in any case, lots of control over the response rate and a v. good controller all in all... about 1/3rd the size of the original despite 4x the power :P
Electric Cycle Rider - electricrt.com/sur-ron-upgrades/
BAC8000 - $1000
72v battery pack - $1500
Extended range 52Ah option - +$500
The controller/72v battery upgrade inceases HP from about 13 to 24! Top speed inceases to 85mph as confirmed by Jack Cecil on his YT channel.
@@__-pl3jg Sadly ERT doesn't have the best reputation, see regular complaints on FB and ebike/mx forums re issues with support, some even claiming they're blocked when they ask for help... Normally i dont put huge stock in FB complaints but in this case I've seen ERT put 10G wire on controllers that can put out >800A... thats just dumb in the extreme, will overheat in a few seconds of full current (that said, you'd be talking ~800Nm of rear wheel torque at that point, ignoring saturation... so you wont be pulling it for long hahah). The BAC controllers are only resold by them anyway, the controllers themselves are great, good 2nd option when you really want to go over the top :P
Random Person I appreciate you posting this information. I think the SunRon is a dandy, but this just proves when people try and boast about it’s “superiority” over the KTM (just like the Alta) due to price, it just isn’t true.
If you add E Cycle Riders suspension & wheel mods + all these you listed + the retail price of the SunRon. You are right at the KTM’s price and performance specs again with a downgraded chassis. Despite what people think, these MFGs aren’t just gouging people (or they all are in a big conspiracy).
The Alta vs KTM is the same way. Scale up the KTM performance specs 15-20% and they are pretty well matched and priced with what the Alta was... with a downgraded chassis. As a KTM owner I don’t have a problem saying that, because my bike is still in production despite it’s shortcomings 🤣 I just have to throw more money at it to make it do what I need it to do vs buying an Alta that will sadly be a paperweight in the not to distant future.
If I had $10,000 of completely disposable income, I’d have an Alta MXR, Period. I just can’t afford a bike with possible ZERO resale value 5 years from now. The SurRon can grow with the rider which is awesome, but if you’re already a pretty good rider I feel the KTM is a better starting point. Does that make sense?
You put a lot of these YT guys to shame here with your mastery of the bikes
Dude ride like a dream awesome job
Thanks for sharing an objective comparison between two different class bikes. It was good to hear the pros n cons each way and where one is better over the other.
I’ve been thinking about getting an e-dirt bike but don’t know much about them or what’s available. To see comparisons like this is very helpful.
I come from a motox background but I’ve transitioned to MTB in later years just because there’s more places to ride a quite less destructive MTB where I live. I purchased a Beta trials bike thinking that might work but it’s still too noisey n a bit heavy. (Gates) I had heard Honda we’re looking into E-dirt bikes. Do you know anything about them??
@Cam Dunnage Hey Cam, thanks for the note and feedback. Always nice to hear that it was informative and helpful!
I understand your perspective completely, I ride a lot of MTB as well. Often times it is just easier to go ride MTB because of access and ease.
Honda does have the CR-E prototype but no signs that it will be in production soon. All the manufacturers are experimenting but if they enter this space at full capacity, they threaten cannibalizing their current gas lineup. I can verify that every major manufacturer bought an Alta and tore it apart for research. If that doesn't tell you something...
Have you tried an E-MTB yet?
Electric Cycle Rider yes I’ve been looking into E MTB also. Tossing up which way to go.
Theres a lot more selection for E MTB and there’re a lot easier to purchase over here. So that would possibly be my first option for getting out n about.
But I want to setup a small MX practice track out on the section and was thinking an E MX bike would be good. The noise won’t annoy neighbours
Nice ride love that track!
Ive got the kuberg freerider
with some mods its a beast
Try that If you can
@unbornreaper 1990 It's an awesome track for sure! Thanks for the comment. I hope to try a Kuberg out soon!
Best review I’ve ever seen on both of these bikes! Using the lit pro and doing a head to head is awesome. Please do this on a KTM300/250 2-stroke I would be very interested. BTW our 2 SurRon’s are arriving tomorrow! Can’t wait. The KTM Freeride is WAY too overpriced I’d much rather have my KTM300 for that price.
@Brian Lampright Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback. Yes, plan on doing a 300 vs Freeride on here soon. I hear you, the 300 is a hard bike to beat at that price. Hope you have fun with the new Sur Rons.
Performance wise, maybe interesting. But really, if you’re interested in an electric bike a 2 stroke smoker is probably not on the radar. Not really comparable bikes. And lots of places don’t allow 2 strokes anymore.
@@mechanicalman1068 That's only a problem in CA. In Oregon, NV, UT, CO most people off-road are on two strokes. I own a YZ125, YZ250, Zero MX, & a Sur-Ron.
class mate, wish i cud get my hands on a sur ron all sold out! lol.. beasts matey
Hey Tucker can you compare the CZEM Drill one to the KTM freeride E-XC I'm looking at both bike to buy and would like to see your results on the testing head to head. Thanks
I would love to see how the HPC revolution and sur ron compare
How much battery percent did you use on each bike in this test? Trying to get an idea of real world range.
I've gotta say my journey to finding the right machine for my needs started with this channel. I really appreciate the content.
I took a serious look at the KTM and even kicked around the idea of putting a deposit down on the Varg. Ultimately the price of entry was a bit high considering this was going to be my first bike.
So I took a long look at Sur Ron's and eventually landed on the Talaria. I really dig the upgrades, minor or not . And I'm comfortable with the price point as I consider the Talaria my "proof of concept". If I love it I can always upgrade to something like a Varg or KTM later and pass the Talaria onto the kiddos.
Great video 🔥🤙🏻.
And yes, please compare using an ASI Controller (with 72v).
@Voltagefrog Matthias Thank you! I hope to get my hands on one soon.
Definitely man You got to do a review on that it's a whole different beast with those mods. It should be nearly equivalent to the KTM but with a lot less weight.
This test was done some time ago. I'd like to see it done again and the Surron equipped with the x-9000 controller and a 72V battery. Or the KTM might be a closer match with the Ultra Bee which wasn't out at that time.
The diff in power was noticeable in that on the KTM's second lap you could see that the course was getting roosted up. I didn't hear a comment about the weight difference while riding but I thought he said the KTM was as heavy as a real Thumper or even heavier and double the weight of the Surron. Surprised there was only a 13 sec diff on the respective quickest laps, given the performance difference.
I went tubeless a few weeks ago. It saved about 3 lbs of rotating weight. It was easy and very affordable.
Which bike? KTM or Sur-Ron?
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@@kevinclark9176 Sur Ron, just watch the Park Tools videos on the subject.
@@rayperkins4036 I will try tubliss with oem front tire
Love this content. Please post something showing it being run in power mode 6
It doesent have 6 only the mini e one has 6 I belive
@@nolacross704 oh damn ok. Thanks
Love the videos. I was hoping you could help? I ride a 2001 cr250r and a 2020 ktm 250xcw. Looking for something to play around the neighborhood and take to the trails. My problem, I'm 6'4 and 180lbs. Would you go with the ktm or cake? Have you tried the electric motion escape? Didnt see in your videos. Amy feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Wow, only a 13 second gain with triple the power and double the weight? That li'l Sur Ron is a beast. It works out to being 7.5% faster (although you got to know the course on the initial Sur Ron test) at triple the price. I see Sur Ron being the choice for most people who aren't made of money. What's the range for each? That might be a clinch statistic, too. P.S: Excellent comparison video, for sure.
Hi 👋 I made 2 conversion of KTM RC ⚡️⚡️⚡️ watch it in my channel👈👈👈🧨🧨🧨
what are the max. tires width you can put on the SUR-RON? I would love to have fat tires on it!
Just rode one today (Sur-Ron), as a 450 owner/rider myself, the Sun-Ron definitely feels more like a electric Downhill Mountain Bike.
However, it was still a blast to ride (in the snow/ice with studded tires), I’m sure the KTM would be even more fun to ride 🤘🏻
Good video. I’m thinking the sur Ron. I got a couple dirt bikes do this could be my not annoy my neighbours bike.
Would like to try one to see how awesome the , E bikes are
Love your work.
Would like to see KTM freeride E go up against the new SurRon Storm Bee
@Mikael Amberntsson Thank you! Hope to make that happen soon. 👍
Would love to see what you think of the Bultaco R, though it is a bicycle , you can pedal up to 35 mph with its 2 KW hub motor.
Me Too in the UK you could get away with this more easily as people would see it more as a pedal cycle
would be great to have cvt belt drive to allow lower range for hill climbs
Interesting comparison. If you’re looking for speed the Freeride seems the clear winner. It’s 2.3x the cost but you’d spend that much getting the Sur-Ron close to its stock pace.
But if ultimate speed isn’t the goal, the Sur-Ron seems a good choice. Have you done a battery comparison? How long does the Sur-Ron last? That’s my biggest concern. Then I also wish they’d redo the rear swing arm to fit a 16” rear tire instead of the 19” front tire they are using stock. It probably eats through front tires on the rear and is giving up traction and puncture resistance.
I have the segway x260 which is the clone of the sur ron and the company claims like 60-75 miles of range but I can’t typically do about 25-30 miles of hard riding and I’m down to 10% battery. I’m usually toast by then so it’s perfect. In terms of speed, the Surron will hit 50 on flat road and 45 up a hill so it’s no slouch in the speed department
I am 6’1, 220lbs. Will these bikes be big enough for me or will they look too small.
Whats the weight limit for both bikes?? And the price plz say asap trying to get a dirtbike thats good and these two grab my attention
Thanks Tucker & ECR, I'm window shopping upgrades, I have XC head & bars on my KONA DAWG MTB, and like those, I'm definitely looking at suspension components to increase travel & seat height, at 6' 3" its a little like me in a VW Bug . Plus still weighing out which wheel size and manufacturer to go with? I really want to have a couple sets of Shinko Trials tire combo, and still looking for a sand paddle & wheel to take it to the dunes, planning a couple long trips this year.
@BCR Productions Right on! For sure, at 6'3" the Sur Ron is going to feel really small. The riser bars will help open up the cockpit and the 21" front wheel and 18" rear wheel make it sit a bit taller. I just posted this video that has some upgrades, maybe it will help answer some of your wheel and suspension questions:
ruclips.net/video/iBLjCatbFkY/видео.html
Hope you can get one dialed in for your trips! 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider Excellent, I've seen rear shock link's that will raise the seat, and some custom seats also. I've got time to gather and install improvements. I broke my collar bone, went through surgery, they have to go back in. The titanium plate holding it all together, including keeping my head attached. shifted and is only slightly uncomfortable, but pinching some nerves in my arm causing numbness.
Fantastic motors,, I've an e bike and love I so much 👍😊
How many miles per charge do both bikes get separately ?
Cool test ! So awesome how far we have come technologically , from being able to know your lap times and speed to knowing your heart rate . And yes the bikes and their technology is top notch .
Wish I had enough for this one but I only have enough for the Segway x160
Great review! New sub here/bell clicked:)
Hi and thanks for these vidéo!
So fast are the 2 Bikes, but, mainly, so fast you are!!!!
Many thanks again.
Forza.
👍👌🤙😉
@Rno R Thank you for the support!
@@ElectricCycleRider my Great Pleasure!!!!! 😉👍👌🤙
It would be cool to see a 450 time comparison with the ktm freeride
Oh many you’re fast. Awesome vid.
That whine drives me crazy like a dental drill in the ear.
Don’t think I’ve seen anyone shift a sur ron quite like this! 💪👌
@CMUK Right on! Thanks! 👍
I love the sound of gas bikes so don't get me wrong but I think the big advantage of these is noise. We would be able to get more commercial trails and motor tracks near to residential areas. Would be great to see some all elect tracks open up in the uk.
You could also have motocross style races indoors during the winter. E-bikes seem like they open up worlds of potential.
could you do a lap on the typhoon or vector vortex around here? Im so curious. i cant decide which is best, in the uk surron almost 5k US dollars, £4300. so only £600 more to get vector vortex.
Thanks for the video. I really want to buy a Freeride. The dealer says he has a adapter that will plug into the euro 230 volt charger and my 240 volt dryer outlet. That's great, but when I asked him if putting the higher voltage into the charger and battery would do any harm, he couldn't answer me. If anyone knows please help.
Hey buddy, are they both capable to fly on the track?
I feel that on a moto track the ktm would destroy the sur ron. But on more twisty technical singletrack trails the sur ron would be much more agile and beat the ktm. And i guess thats why one is an e mtb and one is an e crosser. Horses for courses as the saying goes.
Like to see these tested on a stadium supercross track.
I wonder if a set of older 43 mm open chamber forks off if a 2002 exc would be an upgrade?
thanks for the excellent video. how much battery capacity left on these bikes? would be great if you can test an Alta Redshift as well
Is Alta back in operation? I know Bombardier purchased parts of the company
@@Kickstart500
They won't be back, but there are approximately 1000 Altas out there
@Alta Redshift EX Thanks for the note! Both bikes were charged to 100% before the test. The Sur-Ron X had 32% battery after this test (including the out and back to the track) and the KTM Freeride E-XC had approximately 60% battery. The range is diminished when you ride the Sur-Ron hard, which is what happened here.
As for the Alta Redshift, I do have access to one and will be putting it up against the KTM Freeride E-XC soon!
@@ElectricCycleRider
That's great news and excellent information.
I ride an Alta, and find your videos very useful.
@Alta Redshift EX Awesome! Yea the Alta bikes are great. Such a blast. Glad to hear you dig the videos!
Please tell more about the trottle ! i have the Black adition bike and whant the electric trottle. Do you have a part nr or link??
@rene mogensen I am doing a giveaway on May 22 for 4 of these throttles. I do not know where you can buy them at the moment because Sur-Ron sent them to me directly to try out. Here is how you can win one this week:
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if you use a foot brake, you slow down your right hand turning capabilities. although that probably wouldn't bother you in the woods. when you actually lean the bike over to turn, it's big. iunno. I grew up on bmx and mountain bikes, so a left hand finger brake for the rear is pretty easy to adjust to. the sensitivity of the lever/cable needs to be kept in tine tune though. /2cents thanks for the review. :)
Can the battery in the KTM be replaced with a fresh unit or is it a one and done?
I want to jump a super powerful ebike like it’s motocross with a yz250f dirtbike which e bike should I get
Most your braking comes from the front brake. The front brake is actuated by your hand...
Rear foot brakes are only for when the clutch takes up that space.
This guy was extremely Calm and well Spoken while Racing at Death Speeds!
Awesome comparison, thank you. I gotta say, I'd kill to get my footbrake on my handlebars!
@mel22b Haha! Man, I wish I liked it more!
Same! Though I'd switch the rear to the right like it is on mountain bikes.
I do a lot of mechanical mods, some for system optimization. Enjoy the best of both worlds, ICE & E: install and plumb a rear foot brake with hand brake lever if hydraulically actuated. Probably already done. With eBikes you could even setup a left and right foot brake for leaning in either turn! Those levers can be mechanically connected without additional plumbing/tubing 😀
Does the KTM come with pedals and lights for the road? Thanks.
It is interesting how a mountain bike based E-Dirt Bike that costs around 4k can even hang in the remote area hot lap wise as a 13k full on electric Enduro machine. I have been looking at a bunch of different E-Dirt machines and one that really peaks my interest simply because of the way it is built and the price of ownership is the Veli Moto VMX 12. It is also available as Time ET moto, and the Nicot Moto. It is roughly the same price as the Sur Ron X Black Edition and puts out 12KW through a 4 speed transmission.
They claim a top speed of 70 mph and roughly between 50 and 100km of range depending how hard you are running it. It would be interesting to see how it fairs in a hot lap shoot out. The suspension is going to be its greatest handicap as it is not a linkeage style rear swingarm but rather more like the older pitbike rear suspension or more comparable to the KLX 110 rear A-frame swing arm and shock. I have seen videos of it on you tube dog walking the Sur Ron x in a stock format. However, I have seen Sur Rons with about 3k worth of battery and controller upgrades raise hell with CRF 250Rs so I guess it is all about how much you want to pay to play. Anyway great video and for me if you are not a privateer racer the Sur Ron X is a economical way to play offroad and not be obnoxious.
Might think about it when solid state batteries are perfected, until then, just not enough distance for trail exploration