0:27 The temporal prime directive worked just as well as General Order 1. That is... it was only selectively enforced, often ignored, and occasionally openly violated.
05:36. It's not that the Borg sensors were better, it's just that the Borg had temporal sensors BEFORE the Federation did, and they probably got that, from amongst others, probably the Krenim, since we know the Krenim had the THEORETICAL capability to make and operate a time ship of their own in another timeline, and the understanding of how time travel and erasure worked to create specific outcomes. As a side note, it would also be interesting if the Time Fleet had temporal technologies developed from Borg temporal sensor science as well as any encounters (and possible future Federation members) that helped them to refine temporal sciences to the point of creating the Time Fleet. We know that the El-Aurians could sense changes and we know that the Federation had basic technology (temporal shielding, rudimentary temporal sensors, and incidental temporal transporter events).
Reminds me of the Asimov short story "The Dead Past", where the protagonists recreate a top-secret device that can see anywhere at any time in history and disseminate the plans... then someone points out that "any time in history" also includes a fraction of a second ago and, rather than just helping historians, they've effectively destroyed all privacy everywhere. Hopefully Timefleet keeps pretty tight control over those sensors.
@@alasdaircorbett4243 Yeah, that part stuck out to me as well. The ships somehow have such ridiculously advanced sensor that they essentially have god-like powers to monitor any event, anywhere and at any time. Seems like a massive violation of privacy and super-easy to abuse.
I like the idea of the "warp propeller", but only because I now have the Dr. Who theme playing in my head as this ship travels it's way through the time vortex.
Nice touch linking the chroniton shielding with La’an’s pocket device. Which I noticed was clearly styled to be like a mid-23rd century communicator but didn’t quite match, just like with the tricorder Seven takes with her. I also appreciated the confirmation that DTI == Timefleet. Given the Starfleet logo was in the Timefleet one, just now it symbolically pointed both ways, I always figured they were a division of Starfleet. So the implication is the DTI just start running their own facilities rather than co-opting regular Starfleet ships. In a way it’s a kind of reinvention of different military branches, after Starfleet unified all branches with the formation of the Federation. The Timefleet guys are probably viewed by the rest of Starfleet like the Air Force are by Marines and Soldiers today - that they just sit on their butts and shout directions.
@@3Rayfire yep, it outgrew its origin and became its own branch. This episode ties them all together, while they were all namedropped before but their relationships were vague. Like how there’s pointlessly different MA articles for the Federation archaeology _council_ and the Federation archaeology _guild._ They’re clearly also the same organisation. Probably just different levels in the hierarchy (the “council” no doubt makes high level decisions while the “guild” interfaces day to day with individual archaeologists to register discoveries etc)
I love this ship. The look of it is amazing. The thought of it is terrifying, but I'm sure the "time police" make sure as to not do too much damage, I hope? Now imagine this ship as a Fleet Combat ship. It would be invincible. Granted, Star Fleet and their "rules" would place a lot of limits on using time travel, but still...you could limit the temporal displacement ability while in combat to only a short period of time, maybe five minutes or so. Using the temporal warp drive to make continuous time shifts in a short period of time would probably overtax the system anyway. Though you'd leave the ability to travel maybe 25 hour or so into the past or future, as an emergency escape plan. The best use of the tech in warfare would be it's ability to do a temporal/spatial location shifts. No need to jump through time if you can just jump to different areas of space. You could pre-program your combat computer to jump from point to point around your target, hitting it from all sides, almost at the same time. Or even hitting it from multiple locations AT the same exact time, if your ship could do a bunch of short time and space hops. Basically, one ship could act like a fleet.
Who needs a fleet when you have one ship that can be in multiple points in space at the same time. Also if you're using real world rules only one of those ships could he destroyed due to causality, the rest would be in a fixed state of probability as they'd have to survive in order to have appeared (so only outcomes that mean they survive would be probable). Although star trek takes a more fluid approach to time travel, so that temporal logic probably wouldn't work in the star trek universe, so you do have the chance that your fleet of hundreds could be taken down to ten by destroying one ship.
Not sure it would do much to an enemy that can do the same thing though, it becomes one of those unstoppable force vs unmovable object types of arguments. Who wins in that scenario though when you have two opponents who have infinite amounts of chances to win and lose?
Technically, if you had time jump capability, you could essentially reset ANY battle you wanted to - you'd know EXACTLY what would happen, from which direction the enemy would come, how many of them there would be, what their possible attack plan would be, etc. Also, you could ENDLESSLY try out battle strategies. That is, if you don't use some of your OTHER weapons on your timeship. Remember, that time travel shuttle that punched Voyager back to the past had different weapon systems than the Wells ship.
Defend is a strong word. They don't defend it as much as actively work to improve their position, including stealing future weapons to fight present wars.
In an alternative timeline he did mention the mirror universe ship. Once time fleet re-integrates you with your other self, you will remember it being mentioned 😮
I get temporal shielding on a narrative level but I can’t help but wonder if instead of altering a target’s place in the timeline you’re actually altering your own instead.
Maybe for use if they needed to jump to a time period to fix something, and they had to fix the issue using a disrupter, not a phaser, as they are both different forms of energy?
I always found 29th century timefleet frightening... sort of antiheroes. Ie reintegration procedure punished individuals which did nothing wrong... dystopy. I really liked that in Enterprise cpatain archer was the Future guy and if show continued it would be revealed he was attempting to fix this corupt century.
it's been hinted that the Federation and Starfleet gradually become more and more disconnected from it's initial ideals and more interested in a cold hard almost section 31 ' greater good ' we saw this early on in TNG with Starfleet making some very grey or dark decisions.
It's complicated. With Ransom they arrested Ransom both before and after the crime was committed. When time is your business I can see how the before and after can get blurry. If someone has committed a crime when they have access to time travel technology then they'll have the opportunity to commit it again if you leave them free. TIC *is* supposed to prevent timeline alterations so when the opportunity to arrest someone before hand arises it just makes sense. Furthermore if they've committed the crime once and you don't arrest the one from before, then they have the opportunity to redo the crime in a way where they won't get caught, which can create another timeline branch.
Time is more dangerous and so perhaps its the reason they are far more strict and uncompromising in dealing with time violations, in particular with those in the 29th century that have more probable access to it.
One would think that the minute the first basic time-ship was developed, they'd immediately jump as far forward as they could to grab the ultimate evolution of a time-ship. No further research and development required! Such a big can of worms, time travel.
But when the time ship left its time for the future, it found there was no future time ship because the time ship disappeared from the past and there was no time ship from which to develop new time ships. Or it was the same time ship because it had to keep being reinvented.
@@Donleecartoons Well, there are practical time travel mechanics in sci-fi. You can ONLY travel back to a measurable point in the past or future. If you did a "blind jump", you could end up sharing the exact same space as a rock wall, or a mile under an ocean. Also, you need to know EXACTLY where (and when) you want to jump to, so you don't end up HOPELESSLY lost in the far past or far future (as a classic Time machine story showed us), because a retrieval team won't know what (and when) to look for to rescue you. For them to track you, they would need some kind of signal (like a locator beacon - think something like a a temporal communicator badge, or a Temporal Agent using the technology he is in to send a signal that only Temporal Agents would recognize in the future).
Maybe it's just me, but the temporal Impeller reminds me of Protostars Drive. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a advanced Version, since the Protostar created a Wormhole through time with it's explosion.
Thanks for this and other very cool Treck videos that you make. I tend to stick to most of the shows and movies. So it's great to hear about content from games and books outside my main interest.
Rick, thanks for making this video. I really appreciate it. After watching these videos and SNW I hope Paramount and CBS create a series about the temporal cold wars. Make it cannon I would like to see all this on screen. What started it and everything in between till the end. Just so you know, I get a lot of my Star Trek information from you and this RUclips video. Thank you very much, from a grateful viewer in The United States.
6:30 - So it basically spins before teleporting into its target destination? Does that mean the Spore Drive has out-of-universe precedent (& in-universe descendant) ? 😅
I hear spinning is a good move. And. Plot twist: the time drive actually IS the spore drive, just reworked to be a little less visibly mushroom and a little more timey wimey.
@@sigmacademy If subspace can create a personal dream realm based on one's thoughts, and superspeed can turn you into a salamander, and inhabitants of fluidic space can overpower cyborg hives & disguise themselves as humans, then magic mushrooms are pretty tame by comparison. ;D
Funnily enough, the Time Fleet probably is one of the major forces enforcing the 32nd century ban on time travel, seeing as how they basically exist outside time as an entity.
Looks like a ship design straight out of the old Silent Death miniatures game (which is still on sale through Metal Express even now, 33 years since the original edition launched). They have a lot of figs that feature organic curves in their aesthetic.
Further proof that the Yeagers had something going. Their shape was basically a very crude first draft, which was likely thrown together in desperation, but proved far more useful than any trekkie or in-universe feddie would have admitted. For a time. The Wells class is, in fact, just the final realization of the original concepts behind the Yeager kitbash. In, and maybe even out, of universe.
Considering timetravel...you really ought to do a few episodes of the STO playthrough with some of the events. The Halloween/Friday the 13th mission, the anniversary borg fight in the past, and some of the others would be good content if nothing else
If one of these ships, became a conscious being, I feel certain, that they would collect a cloaking system..or design one that prevents time travelers tracking her, and go into hiding. Also collect multiple forms of maintenance bots, to integrate into her automaintainance systems.
Depending on what the effect on the future is, Nero destroying certain people in the past, meant there were time ripples, which would probably affect the Time Cops to some degree or another, but since they would be shielded in the future, that would mean the time ripples would have been to INTEGRAL parts of the Federation that either delayed the creation of the Timeships, or stopped them altogether for that part of the canon to make sense.
I feel like time travel was made so easy in Star Trek at various points that creating special time warp drives isn't really necessary. An agent appears back in the 80s, stops a rival time agent from replacing The Bangles with robots, and then puts pasta and antipasto into a microwave, hacks the number pad to get a negative number, and starts it up, creating a wormhole back to base. Has anyone ever made a science-fiction universe where people can just time travel using weird life hack type things? It felt familiar after I spelled it out.
When you have temporal transporters, having a ship being able to time travel seems just like a backup measure? Also, if one of the main rules is to "blend in", having a futuristic starship suddenly pop up in front of you seems like a weird way to go about doing things?
I would say a good theory about the movement through space / time is to study toroidal energy patterns, specifically combining two toroids to compress and create enough energy to negate the effects of gravity (since time is experienced in a relativistic manner - yes, Starship Relativity was it? - negating gravity seems to be a good path. Second, I think the ‘reintegration’ process would involve taking the time duplicates out of the protective field and merging their patterns.
Only problem with your Tippler cylinder hypothesis is that the Tippler cylinder has to be infinitely long. Could be a related concept but not itself a Tippler cylinder.
"Discovery of time travel", is hilarious😂😂😂. Considering how often the TOS crew casually traveled back in time on multiple occasions. Especially the Gary 7 episode, where they were studying 20th century Earth; for reasons 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️.
@travisgames6608 Operation:Earth, the Gary 7 episode was a failed TV pilot that was repurposed to use as a TOS episode. I wouldn't go by that since it was not designed to be Trek originally
@@BradentonSlick designed to fit in that universe as their first spin off. There were plenty for them. Tomorrow is Yesterday City on the Edge of Forever Assignment: Earth All Our Yesterdays Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home
the only way to take this thing out is by disable the time core as fast as you can, assuming you can pull off a surprise attack if not you'll have to go through the shields :)
But they didnt want to go back to prevent the burn? Theres so many ways to travel back in time, and i think every civilization would agree the burn was bad.
Back the burn. The burn happened post 3100. This ship is from 2900...... And yes some would agree yes. But others not. And having no dilithium would mean a even more dangerous war
It might be an important event that is necessary in the history of some hypothetical 42nd century Federation and other powers who prevent it from being prevented. This is the real reason time travel is so very wonky and time wars are a BIG DEAL. No matter how powerful you think you are, there will be a future hyperpower that can smash you like a bug.
04:50 I doubt they could get away with that more than once. Late for a meeting with the admiralty? Violate the temporal prime directive! In a vessel designed to specifically uphold that concept! Court Martial and subsequent imprisonment occours 7 out of 5 times.
Would a "current" Time fleet' only confine itself to guarding and regulating maintaining the past? IF it had to deal with it's own future, how would it negotiate with future 'Time fleets' to reconcile a time line? or it just a one directional law? Also, although technically the Wells Class has some advancements over the Universe Class starships that came out later, I'd imagine Universe Class would have some temporal abilities and features if it were to travel unimaginable distances between galaxies and clusters of galaxies/super galaxies. I doubt even transwarp/slip stream, by 24th century standards, would be sufficient for the nigh infintessimable space within and past the observable Universe.
Hey they made a new Whiskey batch, to be aged 30 years. Lets go try it… Its great, send them a message in the past. “Greetings, this is going to your best batch yet. The awards are crazy. The crew loved it as well. Definitely visit again in time.” What a strange message, I guess ill meet my new fans soon. Hey ill send a response… recipient not found? Oh shit is this a Prime Detective thing!!
Depends on what it is used for? If the bridge also serves as a briefing space, that added open space could become VERY useful, especially since it has a control center feel to it. Also, since there are temporal transporters to the side, it also allow free traffic flow space for people coming and going, without being in the way of the bridge crew. The smaller bridge crew also means the ship is probably far more automated than Federation ships we are used to, as we can also see in only having 50% of the crew size we are usually accustomed to in Starfleet ships.
As someone who "does time travel" I can say you did well in your explanation of how it could work with that ship... Which to add "You twist the time stream like a crown on an anolog wristwatch and go back and forth like the hands do when you let go of the crown." As for what I do I just remember the future, leave thoughts for the past... and do things in the present which I'm always in... All of it because of my neurodivergent brain which I unconsly manage with help of other shelves and God and heaven who they time travel by watching and manipulating event from outside the universe/multiverse and their old, new and same shelves. God being an Eternal the first can see his and those our entire timeline as you can see the present... I'm kinda one being his protégé/prophet. So yeah IRL those are the two and only(That I know of) ways you can timetravel and it boils down to be an Eternal so yeah.
Now you should do the Mirror Universe version from STO called the Mobius Temporal Destroyer. I'm one of the lucky ones that got them both when they came out years ago but they are pretty crap in today's META.
Burn happened AFTER the era of time ships, so they wouldn't have known it happened, and the people who knew what happened was CENTURIES ahead of their (timeships) time with that knowledge, making it unusable to the Time Fleet).
Gosh that double episode with captain Braxton has so many logical issues even for a time travel story. How come a captain of a timeship doesn't have the command codes of a historic federation starship, and he is forced to fight them with some inefficient technobabble instead; shouldn't it be an integral part of his job descrpition? The basic logical adantage of being from the future?! Also, If time travel has such precarious side effects on life forms why don't they send androids or isomorphs instead, something they are well equipped to do! Also, it's weird that the 24 century borg sensors are better than 29 century federation. Considering they've had 500 years to study 7 of 9's implants. Maybe it's just because she's on locations while they are out there in the future. I dunno.
They wouldn't need command codes, because they would ALREADY have weapon systems to quickly drain a starship's shields (as seen in a small time vessel doing so) and they have technology that allows them to sneak around on starships (as seen in multiple series). As for not sending androids, we don't know that they DON'T, but one reason they might not use them is because organic beings might have benefits like more versatile decision-making, but also isn't susceptible to computer viruses, as well as far easier "blending in" with local populations without raising red flags, and preventing timestream pollution with far future technology that shouldn't exist yet (Looking at you, Future Janeway! :P ) .
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0:27 The temporal prime directive worked just as well as General Order 1. That is... it was only selectively enforced, often ignored, and occasionally openly violated.
Except for Discovery. If it saves countless trillions of lives and undoes the worst holocaust of all of history, the rule's suddenly set in stone
At least the 29th century Starfleet is not using anymore Pizza Cutter Designs or ships unlike our present one.
I like how the Voyager-era Timefleet uniforms accidentally ended up looking like the Babylon 5 tunics.
And the Braxton dude is also familiar 😁
@ Because Bruce McGill is EVERYWHERE.
@@EGRJ oh gods...he was even in quantum leap wasn't he?
I loved seeing the Relativity in that Voyager episode. I thought it was the most unique Federation ship we saw.
05:36. It's not that the Borg sensors were better, it's just that the Borg had temporal sensors BEFORE the Federation did, and they probably got that, from amongst others, probably the Krenim, since we know the Krenim had the THEORETICAL capability to make and operate a time ship of their own in another timeline, and the understanding of how time travel and erasure worked to create specific outcomes.
As a side note, it would also be interesting if the Time Fleet had temporal technologies developed from Borg temporal sensor science as well as any encounters (and possible future Federation members) that helped them to refine temporal sciences to the point of creating the Time Fleet. We know that the El-Aurians could sense changes and we know that the Federation had basic technology (temporal shielding, rudimentary temporal sensors, and incidental temporal transporter events).
Always loved the design very organic. It reminded me of a Babylon 5 or farscape design.
With the right color combinations on Star Trek: Online these ships and the Undine ships can build you a nice little B5 fleet.
It is a combo of about three G.I. Joe X-19 Ghost rider airplanes.
Can you imagine how accurate history would be with those temporal sensors?
On the contrary. With technology like that the abuse was rampant.
Reminds me of the Asimov short story "The Dead Past", where the protagonists recreate a top-secret device that can see anywhere at any time in history and disseminate the plans... then someone points out that "any time in history" also includes a fraction of a second ago and, rather than just helping historians, they've effectively destroyed all privacy everywhere. Hopefully Timefleet keeps pretty tight control over those sensors.
@@alasdaircorbett4243 Yeah, that part stuck out to me as well. The ships somehow have such ridiculously advanced sensor that they essentially have god-like powers to monitor any event, anywhere and at any time. Seems like a massive violation of privacy and super-easy to abuse.
So, how does this tie in with Gallifrey, then?
Mine is the Pandorica. 😂
It’s all timely wimey
Rassilon gave them some design tips
Easy explanation...yes
@@kellcomnetand wibbly wobbly.
Thank you! This is my favorite class of ship from Star Trek
The Wells Class always reminded me of the GI Joe Phantom X-19 stealth jet.
Not gonna lie, I'm impressed that you already were able to integrate new episodes of SNW into this.
I like the idea of the "warp propeller", but only because I now have the Dr. Who theme playing in my head as this ship travels it's way through the time vortex.
Nice touch linking the chroniton shielding with La’an’s pocket device.
Which I noticed was clearly styled to be like a mid-23rd century communicator but didn’t quite match, just like with the tricorder Seven takes with her.
I also appreciated the confirmation that DTI == Timefleet. Given the Starfleet logo was in the Timefleet one, just now it symbolically pointed both ways, I always figured they were a division of Starfleet. So the implication is the DTI just start running their own facilities rather than co-opting regular Starfleet ships.
In a way it’s a kind of reinvention of different military branches, after Starfleet unified all branches with the formation of the Federation. The Timefleet guys are probably viewed by the rest of Starfleet like the Air Force are by Marines and Soldiers today - that they just sit on their butts and shout directions.
Well DTI is a division of Starfleet, Timefleet seems to be an outgrowth. They specifically answer to the TIC, the Temporal Integrity Commission.
@@3Rayfire yep, it outgrew its origin and became its own branch. This episode ties them all together, while they were all namedropped before but their relationships were vague.
Like how there’s pointlessly different MA articles for the Federation archaeology _council_ and the Federation archaeology _guild._ They’re clearly also the same organisation. Probably just different levels in the hierarchy (the “council” no doubt makes high level decisions while the “guild” interfaces day to day with individual archaeologists to register discoveries etc)
I love this ship. The look of it is amazing. The thought of it is terrifying, but I'm sure the "time police" make sure as to not do too much damage, I hope?
Now imagine this ship as a Fleet Combat ship. It would be invincible. Granted, Star Fleet and their "rules" would place a lot of limits on using time travel, but still...you could limit the temporal displacement ability while in combat to only a short period of time, maybe five minutes or so. Using the temporal warp drive to make continuous time shifts in a short period of time would probably overtax the system anyway. Though you'd leave the ability to travel maybe 25 hour or so into the past or future, as an emergency escape plan.
The best use of the tech in warfare would be it's ability to do a temporal/spatial location shifts. No need to jump through time if you can just jump to different areas of space. You could pre-program your combat computer to jump from point to point around your target, hitting it from all sides, almost at the same time. Or even hitting it from multiple locations AT the same exact time, if your ship could do a bunch of short time and space hops. Basically, one ship could act like a fleet.
Who needs a fleet when you have one ship that can be in multiple points in space at the same time.
Also if you're using real world rules only one of those ships could he destroyed due to causality, the rest would be in a fixed state of probability as they'd have to survive in order to have appeared (so only outcomes that mean they survive would be probable). Although star trek takes a more fluid approach to time travel, so that temporal logic probably wouldn't work in the star trek universe, so you do have the chance that your fleet of hundreds could be taken down to ten by destroying one ship.
Not sure it would do much to an enemy that can do the same thing though, it becomes one of those unstoppable force vs unmovable object types of arguments. Who wins in that scenario though when you have two opponents who have infinite amounts of chances to win and lose?
Technically, if you had time jump capability, you could essentially reset ANY battle you wanted to - you'd know EXACTLY what would happen, from which direction the enemy would come, how many of them there would be, what their possible attack plan would be, etc. Also, you could ENDLESSLY try out battle strategies.
That is, if you don't use some of your OTHER weapons on your timeship. Remember, that time travel shuttle that punched Voyager back to the past had different weapon systems than the Wells ship.
I love the Victorian style lattice work on the temporal core
I'm still disappointed discovery didn't adopt this artstyle for their future ships
Disco's future ship styles are so bizarrely ugly that they kinda grew on me...
@@HylianFox3 probably because these ships had to be designed and built after the burn, so it looks more primitive, design wise.
The Wells class has a warp drive, slipstream drive, and a time drive. So basically it makes space it's bitch.
Cool looking ship. I'm getting Jules Verne / steampunk submarine vibes from it. Probably the colour scheme and the big propellor in the back
I just love the internal design of U.S.S. Relativity. I do want to virtually explore that ship for myself.
Im very disappointed you didnt mention the Mirror Universe ship. We usually look at Terrans as destroyers but these folks defend the timeline too.
Defend is a strong word. They don't defend it as much as actively work to improve their position, including stealing future weapons to fight present wars.
In an alternative timeline he did mention the mirror universe ship. Once time fleet re-integrates you with your other self, you will remember it being mentioned 😮
I get temporal shielding on a narrative level but I can’t help but wonder if instead of altering a target’s place in the timeline you’re actually altering your own instead.
Janeway played fast and loose with that directive.
Not to mention Kirk as well.
A klingon disruptor. ( the klingon Empire was a federation member at this point ) they joined at some point before or during the 26tj century
Maybe for use if they needed to jump to a time period to fix something, and they had to fix the issue using a disrupter, not a phaser, as they are both different forms of energy?
I haven't messed with the cruiser type yet, but the science and tactical versions in STO are some of my favorites.
I always found 29th century timefleet frightening... sort of antiheroes. Ie reintegration procedure punished individuals which did nothing wrong... dystopy. I really liked that in Enterprise cpatain archer was the Future guy and if show continued it would be revealed he was attempting to fix this corupt century.
it's been hinted that the Federation and Starfleet gradually become more and more disconnected from it's initial ideals and more interested in a cold hard almost section 31 ' greater good ' we saw this early on in TNG with Starfleet making some very grey or dark decisions.
It's complicated. With Ransom they arrested Ransom both before and after the crime was committed. When time is your business I can see how the before and after can get blurry. If someone has committed a crime when they have access to time travel technology then they'll have the opportunity to commit it again if you leave them free. TIC *is* supposed to prevent timeline alterations so when the opportunity to arrest someone before hand arises it just makes sense. Furthermore if they've committed the crime once and you don't arrest the one from before, then they have the opportunity to redo the crime in a way where they won't get caught, which can create another timeline branch.
So, he's striving to put right what once went wrong?
Time is more dangerous and so perhaps its the reason they are far more strict and uncompromising in dealing with time violations, in particular with those in the 29th century that have more probable access to it.
the silhouette evokes thoughts of the B5 White Star
Thank you so much Rick. This one and the last one are two videos i have been hanging out for.
Great job.
By far my favorite ship and the one I flied back in my STO days
One would think that the minute the first basic time-ship was developed, they'd immediately jump as far forward as they could to grab the ultimate evolution of a time-ship. No further research and development required!
Such a big can of worms, time travel.
Its a big snake eating its own tail kind of thing as per Rick and Morty
But when the time ship left its time for the future, it found there was no future time ship because the time ship disappeared from the past and there was no time ship from which to develop new time ships. Or it was the same time ship because it had to keep being reinvented.
@@Donleecartoons Well, there are practical time travel mechanics in sci-fi. You can ONLY travel back to a measurable point in the past or future. If you did a "blind jump", you could end up sharing the exact same space as a rock wall, or a mile under an ocean. Also, you need to know EXACTLY where (and when) you want to jump to, so you don't end up HOPELESSLY lost in the far past or far future (as a classic Time machine story showed us), because a retrieval team won't know what (and when) to look for to rescue you. For them to track you, they would need some kind of signal (like a locator beacon - think something like a a temporal communicator badge, or a Temporal Agent using the technology he is in to send a signal that only Temporal Agents would recognize in the future).
@@sigmacademy One second per second into the future.
Maybe it's just me, but the temporal Impeller reminds me of Protostars Drive. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a advanced Version, since the Protostar created a Wormhole through time with it's explosion.
Thanks for this and other very cool Treck videos that you make.
I tend to stick to most of the shows and movies. So it's great to hear about content from games and books outside my main interest.
This video was right on time!
Rick, thanks for making this video. I really appreciate it. After watching these videos and SNW I hope Paramount and CBS create a series about the temporal cold wars. Make it cannon I would like to see all this on screen. What started it and everything in between till the end. Just so you know, I get a lot of my Star Trek information from you and this RUclips video. Thank you very much, from a grateful viewer in The United States.
The Wells Class reminds me in design to the A-12 concept design on the front cover of Stephen Coonts' novel "The Minotaur".
My new favorite!
thanks sir ! awesome video first time that i see this kind a ship amaizing !
Ah yes, the Wells class ship. Named after Harrison Wells in the 29th century after the Flash messed up the timeline again.
I wonder if the hull is comprised of a trellium alloy. Could be a cool connection to make there.
Finally a good ship design
Again another ace. The time travel keep it up.
That Harrison Wells is everywhere!
6:30 - So it basically spins before teleporting into its target destination? Does that mean the Spore Drive has out-of-universe precedent (& in-universe descendant) ? 😅
Similar ideas.
I hear spinning is a good move.
And. Plot twist: the time drive actually IS the spore drive, just reworked to be a little less visibly mushroom and a little more timey wimey.
Only if you believe in magic mushrooms (monster) taking you anywhere in the universe? :p
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That is nowhere near the most ridiculous thing I believe in. :p
@@sigmacademy If subspace can create a personal dream realm based on one's thoughts, and superspeed can turn you into a salamander, and inhabitants of fluidic space can overpower cyborg hives & disguise themselves as humans, then magic mushrooms are pretty tame by comparison. ;D
Always thought it was one of the coolest-looking shops in the Trek-verse...
Great, thanks,that ship looks like a game controller!
Funnily enough, the Time Fleet probably is one of the major forces enforcing the 32nd century ban on time travel, seeing as how they basically exist outside time as an entity.
I actually watched this four days ago. Weird time paradox wouldn’t allow my post to appear until now.
Looks like a ship design straight out of the old Silent Death miniatures game (which is still on sale through Metal Express even now, 33 years since the original edition launched). They have a lot of figs that feature organic curves in their aesthetic.
Further proof that the Yeagers had something going. Their shape was basically a very crude first draft, which was likely thrown together in desperation, but proved far more useful than any trekkie or in-universe feddie would have admitted. For a time.
The Wells class is, in fact, just the final realization of the original concepts behind the Yeager kitbash. In, and maybe even out, of universe.
I feel like the modeled the Wells class after the old GI JOE Toy Phantom X19....If you google it look at the box art.
Keep them coming Ric my man 💪
Considering timetravel...you really ought to do a few episodes of the STO playthrough with some of the events. The Halloween/Friday the 13th mission, the anniversary borg fight in the past, and some of the others would be good content if nothing else
No matter where you go, there you are.
The Well's Class is proof that 'space' is not the only final frontier, but time and other dimensions as well.
I want one
I wonder, is there is a ship of this class called 'TARDIS' that had an experimental Chameleon circuit?
The Vulcan Science Academy has determined that time travel is impossible.
I saw this video next year.
0:34 oh man do them starbase doors slam shut fast! lmao
If one of these ships, became a conscious being, I feel certain, that they would collect a cloaking system..or design one that prevents time travelers tracking her, and go into hiding. Also collect multiple forms of maintenance bots, to integrate into her automaintainance systems.
It looks like a Xindi aqua ship designer was designing a new Andorian battleship with the latest Starfleet technology.
With the help of a Romulan.
I like to think that the Wells class time-ship was vital to the Federation in the Temporal Cold War.
Too bad we'll never see that story.
Still one of my favorite ships.
I was kinda hoping those end video in-jokes you had. Missing them tbf.
If they fix issues when people mess with time, why didn't they intervene when Nero created the Kelvin timeline?
They may not have been aware of it since it was a group of Romulus and not starfleet doing it? Just spitballing
Depending on what the effect on the future is, Nero destroying certain people in the past, meant there were time ripples, which would probably affect the Time Cops to some degree or another, but since they would be shielded in the future, that would mean the time ripples would have been to INTEGRAL parts of the Federation that either delayed the creation of the Timeships, or stopped them altogether for that part of the canon to make sense.
You have been, will be, and will have been Rick.
I never realised till now, but it kinda reminds me of the Xindi Aquatic dreadnoughts.
Oh the Pwnage done with this ship in STO...I miss those days
I feel like time travel was made so easy in Star Trek at various points that creating special time warp drives isn't really necessary.
An agent appears back in the 80s, stops a rival time agent from replacing The Bangles with robots, and then puts pasta and antipasto into a microwave, hacks the number pad to get a negative number, and starts it up, creating a wormhole back to base.
Has anyone ever made a science-fiction universe where people can just time travel using weird life hack type things? It felt familiar after I spelled it out.
When you have temporal transporters, having a ship being able to time travel seems just like a backup measure? Also, if one of the main rules is to "blend in", having a futuristic starship suddenly pop up in front of you seems like a weird way to go about doing things?
I would say a good theory about the movement through space / time is to study toroidal energy patterns, specifically combining two toroids to compress and create enough energy to negate the effects of gravity (since time is experienced in a relativistic manner - yes, Starship Relativity was it? - negating gravity seems to be a good path. Second, I think the ‘reintegration’ process would involve taking the time duplicates out of the protective field and merging their patterns.
Only problem with your Tippler cylinder hypothesis is that the Tippler cylinder has to be infinitely long. Could be a related concept but not itself a Tippler cylinder.
"Discovery of time travel", is hilarious😂😂😂.
Considering how often the TOS crew casually traveled back in time on multiple occasions. Especially the Gary 7 episode, where they were studying 20th century Earth; for reasons 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️.
@travisgames6608 Operation:Earth, the Gary 7 episode was a failed TV pilot that was repurposed to use as a TOS episode. I wouldn't go by that since it was not designed to be Trek originally
@@BradentonSlick designed to fit in that universe as their first spin off. There were plenty for them.
Tomorrow is Yesterday
City on the Edge of Forever
Assignment: Earth
All Our Yesterdays
Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home
I hoped will see Wells Class again in Strange New Worlds.
the only way to take this thing out is by disable the time core as fast as you can, assuming you can pull off a surprise attack if not you'll have to go through the shields :)
Looks sort of like the White Star from B5
But they didnt want to go back to prevent the burn? Theres so many ways to travel back in time, and i think every civilization would agree the burn was bad.
Back the burn. The burn happened post 3100. This ship is from 2900......
And yes some would agree yes. But others not. And having no dilithium would mean a even more dangerous war
It might be an important event that is necessary in the history of some hypothetical 42nd century Federation and other powers who prevent it from being prevented. This is the real reason time travel is so very wonky and time wars are a BIG DEAL. No matter how powerful you think you are, there will be a future hyperpower that can smash you like a bug.
That only happened in Discovery, which is not canon xD
Unfortunately it is canon but canon is tricky now particularly star trek canon
@@jimbeam4736 The last Disco episode will have Riker saying end program
Were was the Flux Capacitor?
04:50 I doubt they could get away with that more than once.
Late for a meeting with the admiralty? Violate the temporal prime directive! In a vessel designed to specifically uphold that concept!
Court Martial and subsequent imprisonment occours 7 out of 5 times.
It's a shame what Nu-Trek did to the future in Trek. I highly recommend the Department of Temporal Investigations novels.
Timefleet/Temporal Integrity Commission comes before Agent Daniel's Federation Temporal Agency, and therefore the enterprise-J no?
The DTI was actually formed in 2270.
Would a "current" Time fleet' only confine itself to guarding and regulating maintaining the past?
IF it had to deal with it's own future, how would it negotiate with future 'Time fleets' to reconcile a time line? or it just a one directional law?
Also, although technically the Wells Class has some advancements over the Universe Class starships that came out later, I'd imagine Universe Class would have some temporal abilities and features if it were to travel unimaginable distances between galaxies and clusters of galaxies/super galaxies.
I doubt even transwarp/slip stream, by 24th century standards, would be sufficient for the nigh infintessimable space within and past the observable Universe.
Does this mean I can finally publish my novel on this subject?
I am abit ashamed to say I didn’t make the h.g wells connection and thought there was just some notable officer called wells
Are you finished with Index videos?
Hey they made a new Whiskey batch, to be aged 30 years. Lets go try it… Its great, send them a message in the past.
“Greetings, this is going to your best batch yet. The awards are crazy. The crew loved it as well. Definitely visit again in time.”
What a strange message, I guess ill meet my new fans soon. Hey ill send a response… recipient not found? Oh shit is this a Prime Detective thing!!
How long do these ships stay in service?
Is it just my imagination, or is there a lot of needlessly empty space on what I assume is the bridge?
Most of the bridges have wasted space. The Defiant is the only one that seems space efficient.
Depends on what it is used for? If the bridge also serves as a briefing space, that added open space could become VERY useful, especially since it has a control center feel to it. Also, since there are temporal transporters to the side, it also allow free traffic flow space for people coming and going, without being in the way of the bridge crew. The smaller bridge crew also means the ship is probably far more automated than Federation ships we are used to, as we can also see in only having 50% of the crew size we are usually accustomed to in Starfleet ships.
As someone who "does time travel" I can say you did well in your explanation of how it could work with that ship... Which to add "You twist the time stream like a crown on an anolog wristwatch and go back and forth like the hands do when you let go of the crown." As for what I do I just remember the future, leave thoughts for the past... and do things in the present which I'm always in... All of it because of my neurodivergent brain which I unconsly manage with help of other shelves and God and heaven who they time travel by watching and manipulating event from outside the universe/multiverse and their old, new and same shelves. God being an Eternal the first can see his and those our entire timeline as you can see the present... I'm kinda one being his protégé/prophet. So yeah IRL those are the two and only(That I know of) ways you can timetravel and it boils down to be an Eternal so yeah.
@GreenBlueWalkthrough lay off the drugs and alcohol. You’re starting to sound normal. Society can’t handle normal.
Can we get the REAL Captain Braxton back please?
26 years in the past
I looks like an alien version of the G I Joe x-19 Phantom with NASA design ques.
Now you should do the Mirror Universe version from STO called the Mobius Temporal Destroyer. I'm one of the lucky ones that got them both when they came out years ago but they are pretty crap in today's META.
...brought to you by Lassie...
Where's the Interceptor class ship?
A potentially great series that could tie in past series and build on the lore...
Instead we keep being alternate prequels....
Why didn’t they stop The Burn?
They didn't know what caused it and time travel was outlawed
Burn happened AFTER the era of time ships, so they wouldn't have known it happened, and the people who knew what happened was CENTURIES ahead of their (timeships) time with that knowledge, making it unusable to the Time Fleet).
To get the ship to time travel, they just had to get the ship to accelerate to warp 8.8
Don't be so hard on your "speculative technobabble" version of the Tipler cylinder; the real-life Tipler cylinder is also speculative technobabble.
i was pissed when they brouhght basck the actor off the relativity only to find out he wasnt playing anything related to that character
start at 8:00 and follow...
Tos used the transporter to integrate two kirks. Probably the same thing.
Gosh that double episode with captain Braxton has so many logical issues even for a time travel story. How come a captain of a timeship doesn't have the command codes of a historic federation starship, and he is forced to fight them with some inefficient technobabble instead; shouldn't it be an integral part of his job descrpition? The basic logical adantage of being from the future?! Also, If time travel has such precarious side effects on life forms why don't they send androids or isomorphs instead, something they are well equipped to do! Also, it's weird that the 24 century borg sensors are better than 29 century federation. Considering they've had 500 years to study 7 of 9's implants. Maybe it's just because she's on locations while they are out there in the future. I dunno.
They wouldn't need command codes, because they would ALREADY have weapon systems to quickly drain a starship's shields (as seen in a small time vessel doing so) and they have technology that allows them to sneak around on starships (as seen in multiple series).
As for not sending androids, we don't know that they DON'T, but one reason they might not use them is because organic beings might have benefits like more versatile decision-making, but also isn't susceptible to computer viruses, as well as far easier "blending in" with local populations without raising red flags, and preventing timestream pollution with far future technology that shouldn't exist yet (Looking at you, Future Janeway! :P ) .
@@sigmacademy Indeed...