Do Mormons Believe in Multiple Gods? | 3 Mormons
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- Kwaku and Ian talk with special guest Stephen Smoot about polytheism.
The 3 Mormons talk about monolatry or the idea that though there are multiple gods, there is one supreme God. Stephen says that monolatry can be thought of as combining the ideas of monotheism and polytheism.
Kwaku brings up the concern of Mormons believing in something similar to Greek gods. Ian explains that Mormons don't believe in a similar idea as Greek gods but that they believe in one God while there may exist other gods. We can't "pick and choose" a god to whom we subscribe.
Stephen quotes Mark Smith to illustrate that monotheism and polytheism are both ideas of recent age-- that the two words don't mean much for the ancient Israelites. So perhaps we need to think of polytheism differently.
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I love your guys videos! I have been investigating the church for a while now, and i love it so much! Your videos also help me a lot!
Tara Daniel Make sure to read the gospel topics essays on the lds.org! Lots of info on book of abraham, the priesthood, and polygamy :)
Make sure to read the Bible about what they ask you. Not just the Book of Mormon or D&C. And make sure verses from the Bible aren't being cherry picked. ❤️ much love for you sister.
Yes, as a Latter Day Saint, I fully encourage you to read all of the scriptures and see how they complement one another :)
Mormons should consider that the god of Mormonism can't preserve their own text (scriptures), because the mormon religion believes that god gave his word (the bible) and it was then currpted. Who's to say that the mormon scriptures can't be currupted again? You can't say that the mormon scriptures can't be currupted, because it already has been currupted, then was supposedly "restored". Christians have a preserved text (the Greek and hebrew)...You can use this same reasoning to jehovah witnesses and muslims... may the Holy Spirit open the eyes of all who read this, amen!
StorminMormin91
Does that include the scriptures that say Jesus is God not a God, or the verses that teach that there is only one God not billions, or the scriptures that teach that God is a spirit not a defied man, etc ,etc, etc,
Mosiah 13:34 { God took the form of man }
Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth.
Mosiah 4:2, {Jesus took the form of man }
....for we believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God , who created heaven and earth and all things: who shall come down among the children of men..
Moses 2:3,4,10, 3:8 { Only one God exists }
And I, God, said: Let there be light; and there was light.
And I, God, saw the light; and that light was good.
And I, God, divided the light from the darkness.
And I, God, called the dry land Earth;
And I, The Lord God,planted a garden eastward in Eden
Mosiah 3:5 { God has always been he never changes } Mormon 9:19
For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity ot all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles.
And if there were miracles wrought then, why has God ceased to be God of miracles and yet be an unchangeable Being ? And behold, I say unto you he changeth not ;if so he would cease to be God; and he ceaseth not to be God; and is a God of miracles.
Moroni 7:22 8:18 {God has always been} Mormon 9:9-10
For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men..........For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.
For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing ?
And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then have ye imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles
{ God is a Spirit }
The Doctrine and Covenants
Theology
On the Doctrine of The Church of The
LATTER DAY Saints.
1835
Lecture Fifth.
of Faith
Section V
… We shall, in this lecture speak of the Godhead: we mean the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things.......They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fullness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, …
Pp 53,
Joseph Smith
Alma 18:26-28
“ and then Ammon said; Believest thou that there is a great Spirit ? And he said, Yea, And Ammon said This IS GOD.”
Mosiah 4:2,3 { Jesus created earth }
For we believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who created heaven and earth and all things:
...So Who created all ?
Mormon 9:11-12 { God made the earth } Jacob 4:9
But behold, I will show unto you a God of miracles, even the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; it is that same God who created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are.
Behold he created Adam, and by Adam came the fall of man. And because of the fall of man came Jesus Christ, even the Father and the Son; and because of Jesus Christ came the redemption of man.
For behold, by the power of his word came man upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created.....
Jacob 4:9 { By Gods word was Earth and man made }
For behold, by the power of his word came man upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created..... 2 Nephi 2:14
For there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth,and all things that in them are
Psalms 33:6 { God made earth by his Word }
By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
{ God made the earth alone }
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord ; and there is none else.
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {The Word is God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς
En arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton Theon kai theos
was the Word .
ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
en ho Logos
He was in [the] beginning with God.
Genesis 1:26
And God said; Let us make man in our Image
Genesis 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
{The Word created all}
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being.
{The Word became man}
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
Isaiah 7:14 {The Holy Spirit calls Jesus God}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
...Yes, read all the scriptures because what Mormons say they believe does not even agree with Mormon scriptures.
You say there are infinite gods
You read a verse when God says there are no other gods.
And your explanation is “it’s just ancient smacktalk”
Context is everything Jesse. Read the Book. Stop being ignorant.
Ye are Gods, everyone of you are children of the most high. Psalms
@@heatherluna5075 but you will die like mere mortals and fall like 'every other ruler'.
In the context of this Psalm 'gods' (which should be lower case) means rulers. If you take scripture out of context or change a word here or there you can make it say literally anything.
@@courtneymcgarity295 This is my work and my glory, to bring ti pass the immortality and eternal life of man. Happy dayz to you and yours🧡❤💜💚💙💛
@@courtneymcgarity295 Corruption ti interruption. That's what the resurrection is for. 💗💗💗
Isaiah 44:8 "Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any"
That is not saying there is only one God in existence
@@gustavmahler1466 There are other eternal worlds outside of this universe, but we are to worship the God of this universe.
The Rock exists! Moana!😭
@@gustavmahler1466 Its hard to fathom any other way it could be stated clearer than that.
@@choicemeatrandy6572 For Israel there is none else but other Gods do exist
I'm a non-Mormon, but I really enjoy this channel. I find it super interesting. And there have been plenty of times where I was genuinely impressed at how well they back up the Mormon doctrine and the Book of Mormon with biblical text. However, with this particular discussion, it seemed like biblical scripture had to be stretched pretty far to get it tie in with this particular doctrine. Still super interesting, just not completely sound or valid.
Their point seems line a stretch only because you have read english translation with modern assumptions in it. Early christian writings are also clear on this plurality of gods issue. Isaiah passagrs need to be understood the same way Paul spoke in 1 cor chapter 7, even though there are many gods, to us there is only one god. Paul even me tions these gods in heavens, so it would be weird then to think that he spoke of idols since such would not be in heaven. So there never has been a time when Israel has had any other God apart fron Jehovah, neither will there be a time when Israel has otjer God besides him. It is covenant language like Paul's was. It doesnt mean there are no others, obly that Israel has no other to worship. God even says it in Deutrenomy that Israel is not supposed to worship the hosts of heaven and other gods which he did not command them to worship. So here it is not that gods dont exist, it is that God has not commanded to worship them. Tje false Gods are idols, statues and images made of stone and metal that are explicitly false and not alive.
@@jaredite8388 God does not counsel with dead gods of wood and stone that are down on the earth which have no life in them, but God does counsel with other living gods in heaven because there is a kingdom of God up in heaven.. So when we are talking about God we have to mention the kingdom of God as well. not just only the Godhead, or how else do you think there is only one true God in heaven, because God is one in power and authority throughout all the hosts of heaven. he is not just one in person. That is how its possible for many gods to be one with God.
John 10 is not a stretch, it is clearly stated by Jesus himself. John 10:30, I and my Father are one; 33, thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 17 wraps it all up with a bow on top. John 17:11, ...that they may be one, as we are; 20,21, neither do I pray for these alone ... that they may all be one; Father in me, I in thee, that they also may be one in us.
Also, the Bible uses the phrases: God of gods, Lord of lords, and King of kings. Perhaps a better connotation using something more familiar to us today would be: Father of fathers.
The layman's version of the Trinity is: Three Persons, one God. The Mormon concept is just better at the math.
It's valid because it's based on Modern revelation. The Bible is not complete so you can't trust The Bible to contain all truth
Same I love it. I wish they would kinda admit that Mormonism is Polytheistic. (They dance around it...and hey I'm not dumb I get it lol you have to stay on brand as the young folks say) I don't think that would hurt them at all to admit this fact. Cuz if you going to convert, you're going to convert. That detail wouldn't deter someone. But as a whole I find their videos refreshingly honest.
Isaiah 43:10,11 “Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I am the Lord and beside me their is no savior.” It is out of love that I write this gentlemen. The scripture is inerrant because God is inerrant. There is only one God and he is Jesus Christ.
Amen Nicholas! There is only one God of the entire Universe! may there eyes be opened
Jesus Christ is the only saviour is his father not a god? Is the Holy Ghost not a god? It was Jesus Christ speaking in this verse
PhantomPain Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit are all God. One God with three separate beings, coeternal and coequal. We refer to this as the Triune God or commonly the Holy Trinity. Jesus is the way the truth and life. None one can come to the father unless through him.
Nicholas Ludwig you just said there is one god yet to claim there are 3 separate beings? If I visited 3 different countries Is there only one country?
Nicholas Ludwig how can they be only god if they are separate
What you guys are describing is actually called Henotheism, the idea that many gods exist but only one is worthy of worship
If you believe in the resurrection as described by paul in 1 Corinthians 15 then you believe him when he said our mortality will be raised to immortality. If you're immortal that makes you a god. Big surprise buddy you believe it also. Well you're supposed to but your false minister is telling you otherwise.
@@Ksee89 your premise, that the existence of an eternal soul makes one a god, is flawed.
@@NovelistVampireGirl do you believe you'll be immortal when you are resurrected?
Hey @Roochka, that's probably a fair description. We pray to and worship God the Father. But we do view Christ as God and perfectly equal to God the Father. And the Holy Ghost as being perfectly Unified with the Father and Son. They are one. So yeah henotheism is promising as a definition, but, from what I understand of that term it limits God to one geographic location, which makes the term inaccurate. So it doesn't perfectly fit. Theological gymnastics. Maybe we need to come up with a new theological term for LDS beliefs. It's tough! I get why Christian leaders 400 years after Christ had to come up with the trinity in order for it to fit monotheism. I guess monotheism seems less pagan and more respectable eh? But it is what it is.
@@soneedanap the son takes on the role as father
Everything you say is accurate.
However you seemed to have forgotten a few things.
The first is the supreme God to the ancient Jew was the only Creator and scoure of life
He also has no beginning or end and unlike all the other gods He can never loose His title and status as God
So that being said even when you look at it from ancient eyes it still disproves mormonism
Infinite number of gods one substance
That's not what the ancient believers taught and more importantly that's not what Jesus taught. They believed in one God who exist as three persons
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@@austintucker394 the son is god but not the father
@@austintucker394 three separate gods share the same essence substance same identical nature
So you guys don't believe in the Bible ?!
Pray and ask God yourself ! The answer may not be what you think it will be !
I saw you performing the other night at that freshman party! I didn't know you were part of divine comedy! You did a great job! You're really funny!! Thanks for making these videos!
Looooove it like always! This is an amazing topic and u guys should make another video about it, because this is so complex and important. Thank you!
Yes, this. Still needs more backing up from the Bible.
In all of this discussion about multiple gods, it's odd the concept of 'Heavenly Mother' did not come up once. Clearly she exists in Mormon theology since "Heavenly parents" is mentioned in one of the first missionary pamphlets. The missionary explanation was that Heavenly Father made her off-limits since he was afraid people would disrespect her (my paraphrasing), but what decent mother actually hopes for zero contact with her children? Do Mormons believe she's that fragile, that incapable, or what? . . . I don't mean this in a snarky way; I'm genuinely curious.
J F Hi, fellow Mormon here. We do believe that we have a Heavenly Mother (because it sounds kind of weird to me to just wave your hand and *poof* a hooman appears) but I've never heard anyone say that Heavenly Mother is fragile or weak or anything like that. Also, what kind of mother, especially a Heavenly Mother, would hope for zero contact with her beautiful and amazing children? I honestly don't know a whole lot about that. I hope this helps, even if it's just a little bit. I'll do some more research about it and update this if I find anything
Animal Pack, just have to look at who is part of the Godhead, to realise the true identity of the Holy Ghost. The Spirit of Comfort, the spirit of Love, Knowledge, Understanding, the Teacher? All traits of a loving Mother. Sin against God and you can be forgiven, but sin against the Holy Ghost, its unpardonable. Hope this has given a bit more insight, on our Heavenly Mother. May God bless all his children, as we genuinely search for his truth!
Yes there is a kingdom of God. But its still the same god if you understand how omnipotent onipresent omniscene beings act within that kingdom.
What would you do to your kids if they were talking shot about and disrespecting your wife. You can talk crap about a man all day and he won’t care. But you mistreat his wife you’re in for a world of hurt. God is no different. If better for us that we don’t know about his wife just yet, trust me.
We were taught she is so Holy you can't pray directly to her. Infact, back in my day you would get in big trouble if you did. Just remember, she gained knowledge first. Look it up in the Book of Mormon. Had Adam not eaten the fruit, human kind would not exist on this world. " Adam fell that men might be. Men are that they might have joy."
Who created the first God? No one.The one and only God always was and will always be. It sounds like you are trying to justify your polytheistic beliefs. Reality is that there is only ONE God.
You guys spend a lot of time trying to justify your polytheistic beliefs. God made it so simple for us yet you are still trying to make it hard for yourselves. The more you talk, the crazier it sounds!
Windy with a chance of Sunshine This is exactly my thoughts too. God made it black and white for us to understand. Like...plurality of God's...Is easily refuted through Isaiah 43:10...Where God says that there was no God's before me not after me... these guys try to justify so much of what is clearly communicated
There exists a society of God, There are branches of God throughout the unverse and galaxies. they are all part of the same order of God. That is why there are eternal families of God they are extensions of the same God.. God dosen't mean just only one single person, because God has a kingdom of people but Latter-day Saints only worship the Father who is the Head God over this galaxy.
There is a kingdom of God. You're the ones making it more harder on yourselves, because if you don't keep God's commandments as he says then 1 John says you don't know God. For only those who keep the Commandments of God Know God. Those who don't keep the commandments do not come to know God. That is why Isaiah says, by their lips they praise me, but their hearts are far from me. You don't know the truth about God. He has a corporeal nature.
Because you don't have the whole truth and don't understand that all these gods belong to the Kingdom of God. There's only one kingdom of God that has all these exalted beings in it that have already entered into eternal life with God, that's is the Celestial Kingdom, they are all one with God in that kingdom.
@@germanslice , There can only be ONE supreme being, who is Lord of all, Creator of all. That is the truth. Peace!
I love the Mormons and their purposeful lifestyle. However this kind of theology keeps me from formally joining the LDS church.
That's your right.
Our Theology lines up most accurately with the Bible beyond any other religion. Keep studying brother.
they twist the words conveniently ...false preachers
@@andrewj.lacayo6256 your religion doesn't fallow joseph Smith original lies and now the modern day LDS are twisting to the modern times to keep their children...please be open and take a good look at the history of the LDS YOU will see all the accommodations made over time....the true word of God never changes or accommodate people 😀
Why? Do you believe in the resurrection as described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15? Paul says in the resurrection our "mortality will be raised to IMMORTALITY. " Surprise brother, that means you believe it also. If you're immortal that makes you a god.
So basically, I have to take scripture and put it in modern day context and lean onto my own understanding to make sense of it? You guys are bending biblical words like pretzels to make match your way of thinking and your own beliefs vs. renewing your mind to what the bible teaches. I think God made it very clear when he said that there are NO OTHER GODS. :/
The View to the Hebrews vs the BOM and this I got from B.H. Roberts book in which he defends the BOM by showing
were the BOM is almost word for word copied from the older works, The View to the Hebrews….etc
Inconsistencies ? Yes I almost forgot:
3 Nephi 9:18
" I am the light and the life of the world. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END."
Rev 21:6
" And he said unto me, It is done. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END."
...Unfortunately for the "author" of the BOM who couldn't get his facts straight, Greek wasn't spoken in America in 600 B.C. So the mythical Nephites would not have understood this statement.
The Wonders of Nature vs the BOM
The Wonders of Nature 1825 pp469
...From whence no traveler returns.
2 Nephi 1:14
...From whence no traveler can return;
The Wonders of Nature 1825 pp524
...aqueous vapours...were so thick as to prevent the rays of the sun from penetrating through them: an extraordinary thick mist...
3 Nephi 8:20
...there was thick darkness...And there was not any light seen...so great were the Mists of darkness.
The Wonders of Nature 1825 pp524
...No artificial light could be procured, as the thick clammy vapors would prevent lamps, &c. from burning...
3 Nephi 8:21
" And there could be no light, because of the darkness, neither candles, neither torches; Neither could there be fire kindled with their fine and exceedingly drywood, so there could not be any light at all:
The Wonders of Nature 1825 pp524
...the darkness with its attendant horrors, Lasted for three days. "
Nephi 8:23
...it did last for the space of three days...
There is a lot more...
{ Mormonism's main work has a familiar Spirit }
Isaiah saw the coming forth of this record [ THE BOOK OF MORMON ] as the voice of one that has a....familiar spirit.....whispering out of the dust: .....the Book of Mormon. Truly it has a familiar spirit,
A Marvelous Work And Wonder 67
LeGrand Richards
2 Nephi 26:16-17 { Book of Mormon = Familiar Spirit }
For those who shall be destroyed shall speak unto them out of the ground, and their speech shall be low out of the dust, and their voice shall be as one that hath a .......familiar spirit......;
For thus saith the Lord God : They shall write the things which shall be done among them, and they shall be written and sealed up in a book,
{ A FAMILIAR SPIRIT is satanic according to God }
Leviticus 19:31 20:6,27
1 Samuel 28:7-9
1 Chronicles 10:13
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them:
And the soul that turneth after such as have ......familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people
A man also or woman that hath a .....familiar spirit,....or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death:
Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a ....familiar spirit,.....and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit,
So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord,....and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it ;
Deuteronomy 19:10-12
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard,
I think God made it very clear when he said that there exists a Kingdom of God.
Such stupid nonsense. These people had hebrew records which they took from Jerusalem with them when they left the city. They taught their people from those records so of course you're going to get Biblical info mixed in from their writings. Get your information from a knowledgeable source. The Book of Mormon is a 2nd testament of the gospel of Jesus Christ to work hand in hand with the Bible. You are missing so much more you can add to your knowledge and strengthen your faith in God by studying all his words. But do what you wish. I am sad for all people who refuse to keep searching out all the truths that Jesus gives the world. He is not just a God of a ancient days, he is always here with us waiting to give us personal revelation too.
@@binmyrtmind Stupid response? You mean much like yours? lol
@@DesignsByTrey no one else does not mean other gods aren't real
incorrect. Jews were unique in the ancient world because they believed in ONE god. Isiah Chapter 4. Everyone else was Pagan in Jewish eyes meaning they were "polytheist".
Lol, no. That's a fucking stupid view that presupposes that silly anachronism. Actual Hebrews who wrote the OT were explicit monolatrists (Psalm 82, Elyon stood in the midst of the Gods, 'ye are gods but shall die like men..")
Lance Pickell Modern Archeology has found that the Jews were essentially “polytheistic” in some form up until the Exile (587 B.C.E.)
Thanks for making your videos and helping me understand all the Mormon heresies!👍
Well, as a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, I also like to know how my fellow brother's and sisters are thinking and feeling, about the faiths they have chosen to follow! I think differently, Nun's are not listed in the scriptures. But the catholic's believe in them, and that's how it's always going to be!
ALSO, why is the King James Version the only authoritative translation for Mormons? Have you ever done any research into the lens of which that version was made?
Joshua Benton The KJV is simply the official Bible the Church uses. Nothing says individual members can’t use other versions of the Bible for their own study.
I do believe in the Trinity but I really appreciate this video. I know it's an older one -- now that Mr. Smoot is more available maybe have a reprise with more info, delving deeper into this? I think it is important for folks to understand each other and where their doctrine comes from.
Did Jesus teach that there are many Gods?
No. Jesus was a rather committed Jewish monotheist.
I believe that Jesus is the God of the OT too...And when he claimed in Isaiah 43"10 that there was no other God's...I believe him
Did Jesus teach that there's 3 gods?
@@user-hk9gc1pg7s he explicitly taught it. He is the 2nd person in the trinity. The logos in John 1:1...in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
Jesus here is represented as the Word. Does this help?
Lewis McAuley
That's not explicit . Jesus in the same gospel said the Father is the *only* true God, which means that John 1:1 is understood that God's promise/word to Israelites was divine, and that promise became reality as a flesh. If you want to take John 1:1 by letters, you would have to believe that there's God with God which means 2 Gods eventualty. However, Jesus in the same gospel tells you that the Father is *ONLY* true God.
The doctrine of gods was already in the world and in every secret place,historical evidence supports it. Fortunately for the little ones the good news shined a light on it and has exposed it. News flash , the world needs the good news , not children carrying monsters.
Please pray for our mormon friends! There is only one got to ever exist!
What is not questioned or referenced here is whether God The Father also worships a God or has an Heavenly Father who likewise has a Father God and that God has a Father God going on and on into infinity? In other words was there ever a first or a beginning to the existence of God or Gods? Also interesting to question is whether there is some super supreme entity that is universally GOD, to all Gods, kingdoms, dimensions, universes, multiverses and realities?
@weldenjon The answer to that is - surprise - We don't know.
The only argument Mormons should have against the "You are polytheist!" argument is one verse.
Moses 2:1 "And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven, and this earth; write the words which I speak."
Mormons don't need to try and break down all these other scriptures because its just giving more ammo to other people as they can interpret the same verse/chapter/book different ways. They can also bring out quotes from many random other scholars, sociologist, archaeologist and any other field of study.
Defining what a god is would have greatly improved this video
Exactly. What does to become a “God” actually mean. As well as the term “God”.
Didn't god say in the bible that he didn't know any god beside himself in the universe? Then isn't believing that multiple gods exist contradict the bible?
Mohammad Kabbani Jesus Christ his son is a God, the Holy Ghost is a God, three district separate beings, having one purpose. Then there's demigods or lesser Gods, such as the likes of Lucifer, and the Fallen.
Mohammad Kabbani
First you have to understand who or what GOD is. Your first step is to realize that until we meet him we will never truly know, so we depend on what we think he has given us as writings. Remember the word GOD implies someone who is all powerful, all knowing, all present. So it is not us humans who control what he is to be. We do not determine Gods powers. So if he said i am the only God i know of no other, yet the Father states he is GOD and the Son states he is God and the Holy Spirit states he is God then who are we to say but, but, but thaaat makes no sense to my weak human mind. The bible clearly teaches the Nature of the Godhead it is very easy to prove. Even Muslims say Jesus is God, example
Who sent the comforter to us?
Mohammad Kabbani minute 7 to 9 they address this. Interesting take from them
here the bible,
Hebrews 1:8 {the Father calls Jesus God} Psalm 45:6
But unto the Son he {God } saith,
Thy throne, O God {Theos}, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
John 20:28, 29 {Thomas calls Jesus God}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
{ o Kurios mou kai o Theos mou } the definite article.
…..Does Jesus correct Thomas? No, he calls him blessed.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Romans 9:5 {Paul calls Jesus GOD}
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen…NIV
I Timothy 4:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Titus 2:13
Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
Philippians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of man:
John 1:1, 2,3,14 {John calls Jesus God}
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
He was in [the] beginning with God.
All things through him came into being, and without him came into being not even one [thing] which has come into being.
And the Word flesh became, and tabernacled among us,
..................Even the demon Al llah calls Jesus GOD (Islam)
"…O Mary! Behold, God gives you good news of a word from Him, who shall become known as the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..." (Quran 3:45)
"…The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary..." (Quran 4:171)
"…God gives you good news of (a son whose name is) John, (who comes) to confirm a word from God…" (Quran 3:39)
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, (4:171, Yusif Ali)
..................As the demon mormo does too. (Mormonism)
Mosiah 13:34 { God took the form of man }
Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth.
Mosiah 4:2, {Jesus took the form of man }
....for we believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God , who created heaven and earth and all things: who shall come down among the children of men..
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Matthew 1:23 (Matthew calls Jesus GOD}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Acts 20:28 {Luke calls Jesus God}
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
2 Peter 1:1 {Peter calls Jesus God}
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
Isaiah 7:14 {The Holy Spirit calls Jesus God}
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Exodus 3:13-14 (the Father states he is I AM THAT I AM)
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 10:30-36 {John states Jesus said he is I AM}
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Mark 12:28
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all ? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel;
The Lord
our God
is one Lord:
The Father states he is God,
The Father calls Jesus God
The Son states the Father is GOD
The Son claims to be God
The Holy Spirit states The Father is God
The Holy Spirit states Jesus is God
The Holy Spirit states he is God
The Father states there is only one God
Jesus states there is only one God
The Holy Spirit states there is only one GOD
The apostles call the Father God
The apostles call the Son God
The apostles call the Holy Spirit God
The Prophets state there is only one God
So what is the problem ?
The problem is, your conception of GOD, you have God boxed in your preconceived notions.
Repeat after me," I will not tell GOD who or what he is to be", " I will try to understand what is beyond my limited human cognitive reasoning".
Until you master this hurdle you will be " stuck in the ice with your wheels just spinning not going any where."
Love how you guys used the examples from ancient Egyptian texts! I’m writing a book right now and just finished writing an entire section about the book of Abraham and Egyptian mythology and religion, including some examples of other texts and the similarities between them. This is an important point you made, thanks for sharing and keep up the great work with these videos!
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Lets get this straight because the LDS are really confused about this,
John 10
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Psalm 82
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
This verse doesn’t say that man can become a god, it says ye are ( present tense ) gods. And even Mormons do not believe they are gods now. Furthermore, Jesus is quoting from Ps. 82:6 and by reading the verse in its context, we can see that the gods being referred to here are just human judges, remember “who die like men “, and Mormon theology does not allow them to die after they have obtained godhood.
There, please do not quote this incorrectly again. Even the BOM does not teach multiple GODS in-fact it states the opposite.
We're not confused at all because we know there exists a kingdom of God. And the 24 elders they already got their crowns of eternal life that John saw in Revelations who were seated around God the Father and the Lamb on their thrones.
@candersander4263 I think it's you who is confused - let's look at the context -
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
- So explain to me why Jesus uses mere human judges to argue against their accusation of blasphemy ? And let's see if we can think of a god who died - - -
Perhaps you should reconsider your definition of godhood.
Love your videos! Any chance of you guys doing a video to do with the relevance/importance of the Book of Mormon in connection to Moroni 10: 3-5? I think it's really interesting how it says to pray and ask God if it's true and that you will come to know that it is. I'm not a member of the church however I've gotten a copy of the Book of Mormon and I think it's really important. My family is Catholic (i'm not) and the way they tried to teach me growing up, was Catholicism is correct, no questions. Never really a connection to God and wasn't allowed to ask questions. I noticed while learning about what you guys believe in, I've been able to ask questions and everyone encourages to have a relationship with God and it just makes so much more sense.
Hey! I have had type of experience as you. You should contact me and I'd love to talk about Mormonism with you! I'm not a member yet but I'm going to get baptized soon and I'm super excited and I know I've made the right choice.
Hey, thanks. Great to hear your getting baptized soon! Where would I be able to message you on?
Thanks! I'll be in touch soon.
So this is what you wanna belong to?
CHAPTER 2 { The Book of Mormon 19,20,1957,1981 }
----Converted Lamanites become white and are called Nephites.
3 Nephi 2:12,14-16
Therefore, all the Lamanites [ dark skinned ] who had become converted unto the Lord did unite with their brethren.
And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites [ white skinned ] were numbered among the Nephites.
And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites;
And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair,
CHAPTER 5 { The Book of Mormon 1981 }
----Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cursed, receive a skin of blackness, and become a scourge unto the Nephites.
2 Nephi 30:6,6
And the gospel of Jesus Christ shall be declared among them; wherefore, they shall be restored unto the knowledge of their fathers,
and
also to the knowledge of Jesus Christ, which was had among their fathers.
And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a [ pure ] {this has been changed,
was white instead of pure } and a delightsome people.
{ your skin will change to white when you accept the correct teaching }
2 Nephi 5:20-21
Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words
they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence.
And he had caused the cursing to come upon them,yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened
their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome,
that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
CHAPTER 12 { The Book of Mormon 1981 }
---the loathsome and filthy state of those who dwindle in unbelief.
{ dark skin is bad }
1 Nephi 12:23
And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.
{ white skin is good }
Jacob 3:8
O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with
them before the throne of God.
You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, un comely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind......Cain slew his brother......and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the " servant of servants ";
Journal of Discourses 7:290
Brigham Young
We will first inquire into the results of the approbation or dis-pleasure of God upon a people, starting with the belief that a black skin is
a mark of the curse of Heaven placed upon some portions of mankind. Some, however, will argue that a black skin is not a curse, nor a white skin a blessing. In fact, some have been so foolish as to believe and say that a black skin is a blessing, and that the negro is the
finest type of a perfect man that exists on the earth: but to us such teachings are foolishness. We understand that when God made
man in his own image and pronounced him very good, that he made him him white. We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race......every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white.
Juvenile Instructor vol 3:157
...The Devil has black skin
…but let them apostatize, and they will become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 332)
“Had I anything to do with the Negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization.”
History of the Church 5:217-18
Brigham Young
And after the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced upon Cain was continued through Ham’s wife, as he had married
a wife of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was necessary that the devil should have a representative upon the earth as well as God.
Journal of Discourses 22:304
John Taylor
The Negro represents The Devil on earth
Why is, in fact, that we should have a devil? Why did the Lord not kill him long ago? Because he could not do without him. He needed the devil and a great many of those who do his bidding to keep men straight, that we may learn to place our dependence upon God, and trust
in Him, andto observe his laws and keep his commandments. When he destroyed the inhabitants of the antediluvian world, he suffered a descendent of Cain to come through the flood in order that he might be properly represented upon the earth.
Journal of Discourses 23:336
John Taylor
We have the smartest women in the world, the best cooks, the best mothers;....We are the smartest people in the world.I remarked to brother Kimball last Sabbath, that this people are the best people that ever lived upon the earth;
Journal of Discourse 6:176 4:269
Brigham Young Kimball
Acts 17:26 { The Bible states }
God hath made of one blood, all the nations of the earth.
Doctrine and Covenants 1975 page 3: EXPLANATORY INTRODUCTION
This took place in the early spring of 1820. In September , 1823, and at later times, Joseph Smith received visitations from Moroni,....... an angel of light,........ who revealed the resting place of the ancient record from which The Book of Mormon was afterward translated.
Mormon Doctrine PAGE 35...under
ANGEL OF LIGHT…
See DEVIL.
Bruce R. McConkie
Galatians 1:8 { Angel of light }
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Very thought provoking video.
The question I would like you guys to interact with is, “How does Yahweh feel about Babylon and Nineveh and Egypt using the same rhetorical language that he uses? And why?”
If you asked a Hebrew living in say 700 BC whether there was any other God out there their answer would be that God is the only God that exists not the disinformation you're getting from this video.
When sci fi nerds unite and start a religion.
My mind is honestly blown.
just to clarify between monolatry and henotheism in which the believer worships one god while accepting that others, for example in different areas, may worship different gods with equal validity - would there be other worlds where the humans who become Gods are worshipped like Christ or Jehovah or no?
Joseph Smith's view of God changed from 1820 up to 1844. He slowly introduced the concept of the plurality of Gods from the book of Abraham and the King Follet discourse. For a great unbiased study on this topic see James White's book 'Is the Mormon my Brother?'
Jordan Woods Every prophet evolved on his understanding of God. He was originally taught God was all three, the unity of the three beings, and as he grew and progressed he realized God is the Father. We pray to the Father, not all three beings. The three beings are not co-equal. For the Father came before the son. It's a good thing that he grew, because we all have to grow and gain a true understanding of the nature of God.
We are ALL given to learn line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little including the Great prophets of old. Isaiah 28. God will not give us more than we want, He will not force any man to heaven, we must be as the 5 wise virgins in the parable Christ taught.
rt2wshpMyWay God is not a man. Repent and trust in the true God of the Bible!
God is not a mortal man, but yes he is an immortal God and we are "created" in "his" image and are literally his spirit children. Eventually we will receive immortal bodies (after this life) and fulfill part of his commandment to be like him.
Just go to LDS.org and look up the “King Follett Sermon” The founder Joseph Smith talks about a council of gods, and how God is an exalted man.
I love your videos, you guys are great 💖💖💖
Just came across this 6 year old video. A Very informative lesson in ancient biblical texts in deed. Regarding personification languages and rhetorical posturing in the ancient texts, I believe everybody needs to know this information to better understand the actual ideas and meanings contained in Isaiah passages.
Such information and knowledge could lay down contentions that have been around for centuries now on so-called monotheism and polytheism issues..
10:41 You’re actually wrong. Atenism is the first monotheistic religion.
True !!!
Hahaha this is crazy. Do you guys even hear yourselves? There is one God. You guys are in a cult. Just be honest and stop beating around the bush. You believe in multiple Gods. The Bible teaches one God. YOU ARE CORRUPTING PEOPLE WITH THIS. Do yourselves and others a favor and stop preaching. Thank you!
Wow you are three very lost boys
What a harsh judgement! Why can you judge these young men? Study the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life! I remind you judge not lest you be judged! Are u a Christian?
kwaku and ian are secretly twins. #matching
Isaiah 43:10 Before Me there was NO God formed, nor shall there be after Me.
In a relationship there is no one else
In many ways the Mormon teaching on Christ is similar to the heresy of Arianism. What then do you make of St. Athanasius who was the first person to list the books of the new testament as we have them today and was the biggest opponent of Arianism of all time?
While your point of biblical construction and persistence is interesting, you clearly misjudge the Mormons as Arians. Mormons are much weirder for Orthodox Christianity.
Mormon Prophets claim the moon and the SUN are inhabited
Oliver B. Huntington.
Astronomers and philosophers have, from time almost immemorial until very recently, asserted that the moon was uninhabited,
that it had no atmosphere, etc. But recent discoveries, through the means of powerful telescopes, have given scientists a doubt or
two upon the old theory.
Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed
to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet.
As far back as 1817, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived
to a greater age than we do--that they live generally to near the age of 1000 years.
He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style. In
my patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and-to the inhabitants
of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes.
The Young Woman's Journal, published by the Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Associations of Zion, 1892, vol. 3,pp.
263-64
I will tell you who the real fanatics are: they are they who adopt false principles and ideas as facts, and try to establish a superstructure upon a false foundation....If our religion is of this character we want to know it;
Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?...when you inqure about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is
in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No
question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets
Journal of Discourses 13:271
Brigham Young
...Tall Tales
During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of travelling, and their animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life with them.
History of Joseph Smith by his Mother 1954 ed.83
Yup much "weirder"
Is there any god above the Father?
Do Mormons believe that followers of other religions are worshipping other actual gods? Or have a different understanding of the Heavenly Father? Or are worshipping imaginary gods that don't really exist at all? (I'm a non-Mormon, but I love your videos, especially these that get a little deeper theologically speaking!)
We believe that we are worshipping OUR heavenly father , he created all which is why we worship him. He is the only god in our world so we believe that other Christians are still worshipping Heavenly Father. If that wasn't clear enough then sorry. :)
That part was pretty clear, but what about followers of religions outside the Judeo-Christian tradition? For example, going back to the video, followers of the ancient Greek or Egyptian religions, or worshippers of Asherah or Baal in the Old Testament?
Andrea Richey I personally believe that we all worship the same creator, but due to regional, cultural differences, folk lore and legends we may give God different names and interpret his word according to that which has been given to us.
Andrea Richey I personally believe that we are all worshipping the same God (for the most part) and we all have truth and light, for ex: LDS doctrine of pre-existence is akin to Islam and Hinduism's doctrine of pre-existence. All those churches had inspired leaders, yet the complete authority was restored through our church.
except, there are those like Cain that worshipped/followed Lucifer, who is also real & is referred to as "the god of this world" meaning: the god of the fallen world because of Adam & Eve's Transgression. So there are actually 2 Beings that claim this earth; God being the "Supreme" Righteous God who Planned all things & Lucifer who is also a god & worshipped by his followers, but is evil.
Peter said we should be "PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE" We be co-heirs with Christ and if Christ is a God so man can become a God! The Bible teaches the faithfull will inherit all things, all power, principalities, all dominions, all knowledge, all thing above and all things below even a seat at right side of God! This sounds like God hood to me!
Awesome, so excited for the millennium
It is Godhood, for the Four and Twenty elders kings already earned their seats with God the Father up in heaven to dwell with him in his glory because of their faithfulness in becoming LIKE Jesus Christ. CHRISTLIKE.
the word you are looking for is henotheism.
And I do want to add that I am Protestant if you can’t tell.. I love the Mormon community and don’t see how anyone can believe it’s true but I do enjoy your videos. I think I’m about as old as the people in the video and I like to challenge people in my age group to search for truth Jesus made the ultimate claim I am the way and the truth so that means ultimately truth will lead back to him so I ask that we as youn people strive for truth and not comfort comfort will get u nowhere and u will see only what you want to see but unbiased research will lead you to the truth and the truth will set you free
The commandment says thou shalt have no other gods before me. Doesn't say there are no other gods, just that we should put him first
Ah. So Kwaku used this video as a script to debate Dr. White and James Durbin. I see why it derailed so.
It's a little bizarre to compare the difference between monotheism and polytheism to different ways of putting peanut butter on bread. Rather non-serious.
😲 I didn’t know how crazy these homies really are
If the Mormon god (their Heavenly Father) was the least powerful, least knowledgeable, least wise, and least glorious of all the exalted gods in the ancestry of the gods, would they still call him the Most High?
Aaron Shafovaloff I wish they would answer your question.
Mormons would say your question doesn't make sense. It assumes that a gradation of "power" exists among those who inherit the same glory God has. I personally find the usual "worshipfulness" qualities of power, knowledge, and goodness cause us to create an idealised God that is nothing like the real God.
@O. Gray I guess it depends on what you mean by "real God". Multiple beings that have the same eternal existence and are equal in power and glory are probably not obsessed with which of them is the best or really in charge. If you're wondering is there a god that heavenly father answers to, making him more of a middle management figure, I don't think there is one. Heavenly father represents the highest existence possible.
As far as what modern revelation does to our reverence of the OT, I would say nearly all Mormons treat the Bible as word of God and ultimate authority on doctrine and morality. However; if you believe in modern revelation, then the newest revelations supercede older ones in cases where there is contradictions. I'd have to say I take the radical position that modern revelation should be regarded as more valuable than the Bible.
@O. Gray god said allot of things about himself in the OT, some of them seemingly contradictions. As far as supporting multiple gods I think the best one is Genesis where God says "let us make man in our image after our likeness". He is seemingly talking to someone else that is like him, but it's literally the beginning of time when there shouldn't be any other beings, let alone one like god.
They can't answer this question. Another great blindspot to the claims of Mormons.
Ya'll seem to misunderstand Isaiah 47.... First, it is showing Babylon's pride, that they see themselves as the only nation like itself. second This is a curse God is speaking to this prideful nation
I like your show, even though I disagree with most of what you say. I think the word that describes what you're talking about is henotheism. You speak about other gods, and how Mormons only worship Heavenly Father, but you didn't speak enough about how Mormons themselves can become gods and goddesses themselves through exaltation. What confuses me is how can a Mormon who makes it to the Celestial Kingdom be with Heavenly Father if he/she is going to get their own planet/universe? Is my understanding correct? If they get their own heavenly realm and start producing their own spirit children, how do they stay with their own Heavenly Father eternally? How do they stay forever with their own families if each exalted couple gets their own planet/universe? How can they populate a planet, or even a universe with only one wife/goddess? Will there be polygamy in heaven? Who was the first human to become a god? The idea of progression creates the problem of infinite regress. If Heavenly Father is made of flesh and bone, why/how does he produce spirit children? Doesn't it make more sense if He were spirit? We know the universe is expanding rapidly and will eventually become extremely cold and dark. What will happen to Heavenly Father when this universe dies? I don't think the Bible can be used to disprove or critique Mormonism. Ironically, the way I see it, the BOM is what dissuaded me from Mormonism. The Native Americans are not from the Israelites, and this has been demonstrated by DNA evidence. Linguistically, Native American languages are related to Siberian languages. Wouldn't we be finding an abundance of evidence near Cumorah Hill, NY if those BOM battles took place? There was no steel, wheat, elephants, or even horses in the Americas during BOM times.
Cheryl Lee Hey Cheryl, if you want to have answers to some of these questions feel free to send me an email, kwakuelfilm@gmail.com
This comment has too many questions to answer on a RUclips comment section, but I'd be happy to contact you privately
It doesn’t seem like you answer the question directly here. It’s a very tangential way of saying yes we do.
It clearly says in the Ten Commandments Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Which is straight from God's mouth. So yes there are multiple gods. It's just that Yahweh the god of Israel is the creator of the universe, and that he is saying we should only worship and follow his and his sons teachings. From what I've read, there is nothing in the Bible old or new testament, or the Book of Mormon stating that Yahweh the god of Israel is the only Divine being in the universe. Why else would God himself have made a Commandment that we should not follow any other gods except him?
+Julie Ann I don't know if that's what that commandment meant, but I don't disagree with your statement.
The book of Mormon says to repent and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, and His father, not to obey the words of Joseph Smith.
Which as I understand them, are actually quite contradictory to what the book of Mormon teaches.
Placing things above, making them more important to you than God, and his sons teachings, are a big no no. ^^
If there is a chief god, and its supposedly heavenly father, but heavenly father has had his own god, wouldnt that make heavenly father's god more supreme?
So Mormons don't believe that Jesus IS God? Jesus just became a "god"? Because if my understanding is correct...you clearly don't understand the claims Jesus made of himself.
Another awkward fact for Mormons is that melchizedek was not a monolatrist, but a polytheist, and he got Abraham to honor his own favorite God. Genesis 14:18-20. You lose it in the KJV because King James and his merry men decided to translate El Elyon as The Most High and El as The Lord. That makes it even more awkward since they now make Melchizedek the priest of a higher God than what Mormons would call Elohim and Joseph didn't catch that when he "translated" the bible
Jesus knows I'm a Mormon proud to be my testimony continues to grow everyday keep up the good work guys fight the good fight we must stand for our faith...
This is funny. We are all the children of God. Who said that? What does that make us? -The Mormons always go on about the Sons of God. They say that the concept of the Sons of God goes way back in history. Well back in those times God was making big miracles. It is said Lord Krishna (who was said to have been as black as coal, not blue) had over 16000 sons by a miracle who all looked like Him. I don't know whether this is true or not. So you have the Sons of God. These Sons of God, (all black) would have spread and mixed therefore we are all made of His physical material. Now Jesus did the same thing in a way. When we take the sacrament we become part of His body. He changes our flesh into heavenly material.
Another thing that I found funny is that Lord Krishna calls Himself The Father and Lord Jesus Christ calls Himself the Son. So we are the offspring of Lord Krishna and the brothers and sisters of Lord Jesus. My goodness Jesus even carries Lord Krishna's name as His surname. Jesus Christ ...
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
I just thought that I had better tell you that Lord Krishna's half brother who looked after him was white and a godly man.He was unusually white and Lord Krishna unusually dark.
Non-denominative christian here. I think monolatry is essentially right. God is the "host of hosts." He is the God of gods. The lesser gods are more imperfect and prone to sin. One third of them, in fact, fell to earth and ruled like gods. God is a host to lesser beings; some of those lesser beings are, themselves, hosts of lesser beings.
This idea doesn't bother me. Of all the things to attack Mormonism over, I don't think that is the right avenue. My contention is with the testimony of Joseph Smith and the angel Maroni. It's as difficult to prove as the existence and nature of Christ. But I will go where God leads me. I'd ask Him to take me to the truth whether I like it or not.
How cruel to keep that big goldfish in that tiny bowl.
Oh I know, it's so HORRIBLE, that the fish has two tanks, and one is really large! You might want to actually know more about the issues, before you comment!
"I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity" (Moroni 8:18).
"For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles" (Mormon 9:9-10).
Which is it?
remraf saari... The Mormon "Jesus" IS changeable...
The biblical Jesus is the One who's unchangeable... The biblical One reemphasized God's ideal for people joining together in marriage in Matt19:4-6, Mark10-6-9, etc; that it was still the same as it had been from the beginning, "one man for one woman."
The BoM+'s "Jesus" CHANGED that ideal, said in the 1800's that the way to get into the highest heaven was embracing POLYGAMY (D&C132:1-4)... For Mormons, the truth from the Bible is eclipsed by the higher authority of the BoM+ (in their eyes)... Background for the story, given in Gen15&16 of the Bible, is no longer trusted... They evidently believe that the reason there was polygamy in OT days was b/c "Jesus" (D&C132:24) COMMANDED it of Abraham, and Abraham obeyed (D&C132:34,35 &65)...
Either the Bible is not telling the truth, or JS (as "Jesus" supposed mouthpiece) is not telling the truth... My vote is for JS... Gen16:2 clearly states that the decision to add another woman to the mix, was a "human" decision, Abram and Sarai's, NOT GOD'S...
JS is successful at further CHANGING/damaging Jesus' loving character when he threatens to DESTROY those who won't submit to polygamy (D&C132:54 &64)... We're told in Luke9:56 of the BIBLE that Jesus' purpose in coming is NOT to destroy people's lives but to SAVE them...
Moroni8:18 and Mormon9:9&10 are just empty words b/c they're not backed up by the reality of Mormon history...
You didn't listen to the video like the ignorant person above me didn't you?
Preston P that's incorrect. Why do atheists like you, want to ruin things that make people happy? If according to you, god isn't real then why do you do everything in your power to discredit everyone?? It's because you aren't atheist. You believe in god and you resent it. If this weren't true you wouldn't be so determined to destroy god, because you can't destroy something that doesn't exist. A true atheist let's people be people and let's people be happy, an extremist thinks that it's ok to be hateful to those who don't agree- quotes by my best friend who's an atheist. Can't you let us be? We believe what we believe to be true, you believe what you believe to be true, so can you please stick to what you believe and leave us alone?
Wow. blasphemous
God has got an eternal intelligence, and so also the spirit of man has the same eternal intelligence because Jesus had to progress when he stepped down from his place as Jehovah in heaven when he came down to this earth, he did not have full power of his Father yet when he was born in the manger in the flesh as Jesus.... He didn't obtain full power of his Father not until he was Resurrected. Even before he was born to earth he did not have full power because he didn't even have a Celestial Resurrected body like his Father God had, so he had to come down to the earth to obtain a body, he tells us the process of development towards becoming like God his Father in Revelations Chapters 2 and 3 when he was on the earth. When he says on earth he overcame all things by faith in order to be with his Father to dwell with him in all his glory...
@@germanslice that’s not correct. When he was baptized and the lord spoke of how proud he was of Jesus, he hadn’t at that time yet even began his ministry. God had exalted his worthiness before he even began, like ours.
Jesus is not all-knowing neither is he all-powerful before his resurrection because without having a glorified resurrected body inherited from God his Father he could not become perfect like God without having that resurrected body and would not become fully developed like his Father not until he came down from heaven to earth being sent down by the Father and then was resurrected by the Father with an glorified and exalted perfect body like the Father.. But even when resurrected he would not still know everything that God the Father knows. So Jesus does not know the time of his own coming to show himself to the world at the Second Coming,, only his Father God knows the time and the hour to send him down.....The Son does not Know, neither does man know and neither do the angels in heaven know and those who say they know what hour Jesus will come are just arrogant of God's timing to try to compare their own limited mortal perspective with God's eternal perspective.... Jesus does not know everything that God the Father knows, That makes them 2 separate beings with 2 separate wills because one does not know everything that the other one knows..... If they were the same person, they would know everything that the other one knows. Its simple as that.
So its possible to come to earth all sinless, and blameless before God but still not be fully developed.... And Jesus wasn't fully developed when he was born to earth as he admitted it himself that he had to overcome all things by obedience to get that full development to become just like his Father God. We see that very clearly in the garden and on the cross in doing the Father's will and Jesus not doing his own Will. 'Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass by me, not as I will, but as thou wilt.'' . So Jesus was not fully developed when he had existed in his pre earth state as Jehovah in the Old Testament as a spirit being of light and glory, because he had not yet come down to earth to obtain a mortal body of flesh and bones and to have that body all resurrected and exalted to become perfect just like God the Father..
@@germanslice what? He isn’t going to become like God he is the son of God, and nobody can get to the father except through Jesus, who died on your behalf.
@@germanslice he is basically our big Brother who sacrificed himself so we can talk to our Father
It's dishonest to invoke the words of Akhenaten about the Sun disc god. That Pharaoh is known as an anamoly in Egyptian history. Often called the first "monotheist" by scholars of the Ancient Near East. His perspective doesn't support the idea that one can speak as a polytheist with monotheistic language. He's perceived as a monotheist just like Isaiah is perceived as a monotheist.
What a boring bunch of nonsense. There are not multiple gods.
What about all the verses with other gods ????
@@EricLovesCHRIST They were stone idols and statues. Not actual beings.
Good job guys
"So that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me"
(Isaiah 43:10)
"But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough".
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4)
You are making fun of those people, who believe that there is ONLY ONE GOD. But it's funnier that in your scripture it says the same.
"And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God?
And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God.
Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God?
And he answered, No.
Now Zeezrom said unto him again: How knowest thou these things?
And he said: An angel hath made them known unto me".
(Alma 11:26-31)
Hold up! I was following you guys up until the monoltry point. Are you guys saying that the father, the son and the holy ghost are not one in nature, inseparable in unity, plan and will. Moreover that that they are inherently there own God? If so, I can't agree with that.
They are one in purpose, and unity, but not one in being. Jesus has his own body, he is a God. God the Father has his own body, and the spirit is separate from all three. To make it simple, what Christians call God, we call the Godhead. The Bible speaks of the three, but only calls the Father God. We know all three are divine beings (gods) but we direct our prayer to our father, God
Of course there are many beings (you say gods) that exist in this universe but the Scriptures say they are but 'DEMONS' not true and don't deserve worship because they are created.
There are no other eternal gods besides the one true God!
Hey guys! Here in Australia at the moment there is a huge debate over the issue of same sex marriage as our country prepares to vote in a "postal vote" on the issue. I was wondering whether you could do a show on the LGBTQ community and the church's stance on same sex marriage. Not only this though, but I have not been able to find much info about transgender people and their place in LDS belief. It's my understanding that gender and their associated roles play a big part in your religion so I was wondering how you view transgender people, whether you think their feelings are legitimate and also your thoughts on transitional surgery etc. Any who, thanks for the vids :) P.S. I know this issue might be kind of loaded and controversial so I totally get why you might not have made it yet and still don’t want to.
I gotta agree with you, I'm Australian too and I've been trying to find out how the church views LGBT people and anything related but there isn't much on it. I reckon that would be an interesting episode.
www.lds.org/manual/god-loveth-his-children/god-loveth-his-children?lang=eng God Loveth His Children, 2007 This is a Booklet the LDS Church released regarding homosexuality, these are the topics covered: 1. Your Identity and Potential 2. The Plan of Happiness 3. Self-Mastery 4. Filling Your Life with Goodness & 5. “Go Forward”.
Wisk together a glob of peanut butter and a good spoon full of jelly until you essentially have purple peanut butter! It's the
bestest way
Sorry guys but you're wrong. We are not monolatrists. I used to think we are but it's not accurate. We are polytheists. We believe in many gods. And we worship Heavenly Father and Jesus. We don't worship the Holy Ghost therefore we don't worship one God (i.e. the godhead)
Monotheism is EXPLICITLY in the Old Testament. 🤦♂️
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”
Isaiah 44:6
For some reason i keep coming back to your videos :D
What i wonder about is how people can think they actually know what god (if he exists) actually wants. I mean even if you had a vision or something how cozld you know it was actually from god and how can you know you understood it correctly?
I think if someone comes along with a more logic explaination (like you just did) it's worth listening to.
sina_shlz Maybe there's a reason ;) If you have a vision, revelation or even spiritual prompting or feeling to do something and it is good, inquisitive in a positive nature, or important, you should do it. It is only by trusting those feelings and acting on them, that you grow your relationship with God, and little by little, line upon line, you get more promptings from God. And you can better understand him, and what he wants. And if you're doing good, it's what he wants :)
Kwaku El thank you for the answer! I think it's interesting that you didn't imply that there is knowledge, just a sense of understanding.
This seems to be a trend with lds people,i ask something and get a answer that actually seems to make sense...
Jesus taught in his teachings to rely on the Spirit of Revelation. HE will teach you, HE will guide you, HE (being the holy ghost) knows all things. Jesus taught us to trust in the Holy Ghost the spirit of all truth. That is why we follow the promptings of the Holy Ghost in the church.
The thing that gets me the most is that the God worshipped by Mormons is literally just a dude who became a god. I want to worship The God, the source of all existence (including “the Heavenly Father” who rules of this little corner of the universe), the only one truly worthy of worship. I agree somewhat that there are other gods, if understood as they were called gods (whether or not they existed) by people or that they were mighty men (and thus god-like). But there is only one true God. Reason tells us there is a source of all existence, and that being is the truly awe-inspiring one.
Just understand that the God worshipped by the Mormons does not conflict in any way with the description in the Bible of the only true God. If you think there is, you misunderstand what Mormons believe.
We worship God not because he's the first but because he is our heavenly father.
@@ddfstar7588 how would you respond of someone worshipped their own father? If in response, they said “I worship him not because he’s the first, but because he’s my father”. Why is a heavenly dude more worthy of worship than one’s own father or any other super nice guy? I want to worship the source of all existence. It just seems arbitrary to me.
These guys don't even trust the NT documents but will use even older writings to prove that more than one true god exists😢
"Do Mormons Believe in Multiple Gods? "
Doctrine and Covenants 132:20,21,37 { Man may become a God }
Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.......They have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.
The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.
Journal of Discourses 2:269
Brigham Young
Mormons are told they will be like the most high,
In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: As man is, 'God once was; as God is, man may be'. The Articles of Faith 430
The goal of our progression is to become like God......"for we are destined and foreordained to become like God, and unless we do become like Him we will never be permitted to dwell with Him. Principles of the Gospel 159,160
( God was a man }
I will go back to the beginning before the world was to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning ?
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens !....
Here then, is eternal life---to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you,
History of the Church 6:306
Joseph Smith
Mormon prophets have continuously taught the sublime truth that God the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth similar to that through which we are passing. He became God---an exalted being.
Gospel Through the Ages 104
Milton R. Hunter
Mormonism does not tend to debase God to the level of man, but to exalt man to the perfection of God.
Millennial Star 23:181
Charles W. Penrose
As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.
Millennial Star 54 Lorenzo Snow
He is our Father--the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are, and is now an exalted being......God has once been a finite being..
Journal of Discourses 7:333
Brigham Young
{ God has not always been God he was once a man }
I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us....
History of the Church 6:305
Joseph Smith
Our Father Advanced and Progressed Until He Became God
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father”
DOC 2:47
Abraham 4:3,4,10 5:8 { Many Gods exist }
And they the Gods said: Let there be light: and there was light.
And they the Gods comprehended the light, for it was bright.........
And The Gods pronounced the dry land, earth;
And The Gods planted a garden in Eden,
In fact,
{ Millions of Gods exist}
If we should take a million worlds like this and number their particles, we should find that there are more Gods than there are particles of matter in those worlds. How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were no Gods and worlds…. JOD 2:345 7:333
Brigham Young
( Who Is This God or Gods the Mormons worship ? }
Three separate personages---Father, Son, and Holy Ghost---comprise the Godhead. As each of these persons is a God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship.
Mormon Doctrine 576,
Bruce McConkie
We were begotten by our Father in heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, from one heavenly world to another still more ancient, until our minds are wearied and lost in the multiplicity of generations and successive worlds,..
The Seer 132
Orson Pratt
If we should take a million worlds like this and number their particles, we should find that there are more Gods than there are particles of matter in those worlds.
Journal of Discourses 2:345
Orson Pratt
How many Gods there are, I DO NOT KNOW. But there never was a time when there were not Gods....
Journal of Discourses 7:333
Heber C. Kimball
Etc, etc, etc,
As for there being millions of Gods, I think they each have their own kingdom and domain to rule in. So I do think there could be others for Paul did mention there are other Lords and Gods but we are told only to worship the Godhead that is in this Universe in this heaven. Not worry about the other heavens So how can all these many millions of gods in all of existence be as one God? Well I think its Because of their love, unity, and harmony and omnipresence and omniscience they have with each other... across the eternities. We don't know alot of detail about the other eternal worlds. We may find out more when we progress past this life. But all those millions of exalted beings that have entered into eternal life are all part of the same kingdom of God or Celestial Kingdom..
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Hi guys I respect your video but yes the missionaries came to my home today they like you already believe god of your faith clearly said is a man which tells me your god is created and is not everlasting so I will disagree on this teaching God of the Bible has always been not created and Jesus always also existed with his father because he is. God so I will not come back to the Lds church respectfully because it's a different god so all the best.
Ha. Love the PBJ conversation. My husband says that nobody loads a dishwasher correctly. Every adult thinks his or her way is the right way to do this.
Could you share your sources?
So I’m struggling to understand. Are they saying that there are numerous gods but they only worship 1?
We worship God the Father as the Most High God, the same God that Jesus Christ worships as his Lord and God (John 20:17). So there is a kingdom of God that exists and God the Father rules in that kingdom. God The Father is known as LORD God Almighty, The Lord of ALL Hosts, The Father of Lights, Man of Holiness, The Most High God. This is the Supreme Being that the Lord Jesus Christ worships, the Lord Almighty God known as Elohim.. However the Saints worship both the Father and also the Lamb as shown in the Book of Revelations.
@@germanslice
But Christ said there’s only one God they can’t be separate deities like Mormonism teaches
@@davidstrelec610 Because you don't understand the unity that exists in the Kingdom of God with those heavenly beings that make up the kingdom of God in this universe and in other universes.. I find no conflict with God having a co-poreal nature and also being plural. Because I know there exists a kingdom of God that God the Father and his Son are part of as well as the Father having his own kingdom. The Saints when they have the spirit of God in them have the kingdom of God within themselves, and if they hold out faithful and live those higher laws of God they will become part of that heavenly kingdom to dwell with God in glory. We teach that the Holy Ghost is a spirit personage, the third member of the Godhead and he can only be in one location at a time, but we also teach that the Spirit of the Lord is the light of Christ that exists in all things in this universe that comes out from the Father. We teach that God the Father is a eternal glorified tangible resurrected being the same as the Son that radiates out the light of Christ to all the universe so he may be in all things. through all things, above all things because they are omnipresent beings. So yes there are many heavenly beings but because they all have the light of Christ whether in this universe or in other universes these heavenly beings are all at one with God because of that omnipresent spirit that they dwell in. That's why there is only one God, for God is a race a society of advanced heavenly beings who have entered into God's rest to become like him...
If this was not true that there was not a society up in heaven that is like God then John would not have seen the heavenly kings sitting all around on their thrones with their crowns of glory worshipping God the Father and the Lamb of God up in the celestial kingdom. Why then are all these exalted men worshipping God and falling down all on their faces? They are not worshipping themselves just because they have kept God's laws to become like God to enter into his rest and glory is why they are all sitting on the thrones.. They are worshipping God the Father and the Lamb.
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The concept is one of family. In one aspect, our Father may have brothers and sisters, and a father and mother and wife(s) - and we are his children, capable of becoming just like Him [does this constitute numerous Gods? or one nature of God existing within multiple beings?] In another aspect, the being who is our Father in Heaven, is our God and the only one with whom we have to do (Heb 4:13); as opposed to rejecting Him and wanting to live with some uncle God and his family.
When you were describing the phrase "besides me," were the cities and the Egyptians right in saying it? You said they were wrong cause there are more cities and gods. When God says it, are you calling him wrong also? There are other verses that say "There is none other, I know not one." Read Isaiah chapters 40-47 instead of just the one verse. Thanks for the video guys.
Can you do a video on “Jesus name” baptism?
Quoting "bible scholars" and "theologians" to support doctrine and dogma is a dangerous habit to form. God has spoken to us directly via His written word which the Holy Spirit helps us to understand and apply to our lives. Scholars and theologians come and go and so do their "theories" and "teachings". What makes their understanding of scripture more valid or more accurate than mine or yours? Nothing really. You can actually shop around and find one of these scholars to support just about any position you want to take on scripture; from very liberal to ultra-conservative. Stand on the written word of God and trust in the Holy Spirit and you will never be led astray. Remember however that the Holy Spirit works with your level of intellectual ability and doesn't reveal complex theories and formulas that can't be understood. Humility and sincere desire to know about God and his will are the two most important tools anyone needs; not scholars, theologians and their confusing and often conflicting teachings.
That's why it doesn't take years and years of study through scholars to get to know God. God does things through small and simple means.
Hey guys I really appreciate this video, ir helps me understand quite a bit more about the Godhead coming from a Trinitarian background.
What?
Isaiah 43:10 44:6,8 45:5
Kind of reminds me of how sikhs believe all religions lead to the one true god, Just in diffrent forms, essentialy saying No faith is wrong, just diffrent manefastations of the same core concept.
I think it's terrible that you've got three guys, with one not looking like the other two. You've got two men with blue and white shirts and the guy in the middle has a gray shirt. No, wait, two guys have button-up shirts while the other guy has a pull-over. Anyway I'm outraged!
Seems that Muslim religion is closer to Christianity than Mormonism when it comes to Deity of God .
I'm five years late but here goes, Jesus was the word made flesh, Jesus was the word of God before the universe existed and when it came forward according to the Christian bible it came from the word. Jesus was not just a man who became a god he was unlike all other humans begotten and not made, born of a virgin and one with the Father. And to finish this was actually what it says in the first book of Mormon according to David Whitmer who left the LDS when Joseph Smith developed the idea of a plurality of gods. He regarded Smith as a fallen prophet.
This is quite long but if you are up for reading it you can, if not then whatever. This is taken from the book so he does cite sources but I just copied it so you will see numbers that should lead to a source. If any of the 3 Mormons from the video read this can they give me their opinions on it
"So let's be clear on what Latter-day Saints do not believe. They do not believe that humans will ever be equal to or independent of God. His status in relation to us is not in any way compromised. There is only one source of light, knowledge, and power in the universe. If through the gospel of Jesus Christ and the grace of God we receive the fulness of God (Eph. 3:19) so that we also can be called gods, humans will never become "ultimate" beings in the abstract, philosophical sense. That is, even as they sit on thrones exercising the powers of gods, those who have become gods by grace remain eternally subordinate to the source of that grace; they are extensions of their Father's power and agents of his will. They will continue to worship and serve the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost forever, and will worship and serve no one and nothing else.
If the Latter-day Saints had chosen to refer to such glorified beings as "angels" instead of "gods," it is unlikely anyone outside the LDS church would have objected to the doctrine per se. It seems that it is only the term that is objectionable. And yet the scriptures themselves often use the word god in this limited sense to refer to nonultimate beings.
For example, in Ps. 8 the word gods (Hebrew elohim) is used in reference to the angels: "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels [elohim], and hast crowned him with glory and honour." (Vv. 4-5.) Though the Hebrew reads "gods" (elohim), translators and commentators from the Septuagint on, including the author of Hebrews in the New Testament, have understood the expression to refer to the angels (see Heb. 2:7). The term gods is here applied to beings other than God. Deuteronomy 10: 17, Josh. 22:22, and Ps. 136:2 all insist that God is a "God of gods." Clearly this doesn't mean that there are divine competitors out in the cosmos somewhere; rather, these passages probably also refer to the angels in their divinely appointed roles. If the angels can, in some sense, be considered divine beings because they exercise the powers of God and act as his agents, then the one God they serve is correctly considered a "God of gods." Scholars have long known, and the Dead Sea Scrolls and other literature of the period have now proven, that the Jews in Jesus' day commonly referred to the angels as "gods" (Hebrew elim or elohim) in this nonultimate sense. 22 This is not because the Jews were polytheists, but because they used the term god in a limited sense to refer to other beings associated with God whom he allowed the privilege of exercising divine powers.
But human beings are also called "gods" in scripture, probably for the same reasons that the angels are-they, as well as the angels, can exercise the powers of God and act as his agents. Thus Moses is designated a "god to Pharaoh" (Ex. 7:1). This doesn't mean that Moses had become an exalted or ultimate being, but only that he had been given divine powers and was authorized to represent God to Pharaoh, even to the point of speaking God's word in the first person. If the scriptures can refer to a mortal human being like Moses as a "god" in this sense, then surely immortal human beings who inherit the fulness of God's powers and authority in the resurrection can be understood to be "gods" in the same sense.
In Ex. 21:6 and 22:8-9 human judges are referred to in the Hebrew text as elohim ("gods"). In Ps. 45:6 the king is referred to as an elohim. Human leaders and judges are also referred to as "gods" in the following passage from the book of Psalms: "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods .... I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes." (Ps. 82:1,6-7 Jewish and Christian biblical scholars alike have understood this passage as applying the term sods to human beings. According to James S. Ackerman, who is not a Mormon, "the overwhelming majority of commentators have interpreted this passage as referring to Israelite judges who were called 'gods' because they had the high responsibility of dispensing justice according to God's Law." 23
In the New Testament, at John 10:34-36, we read that Jesus himself quoted Ps. 82:6 and interpreted the term gods as referring to human beings who had received the word of God: "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" In other words, 'If the scriptures [Ps. 82] can refer to mortals who receive the word of God as "gods," then why get upset with me for merely saying I am the Son of God?' The Savior's argument was effective precisely because the scripture does use the term gods in this limited way to refer to human beings. According to J. A. Emerton, who is also not a Mormon, "most exegetes are agreed that the argu- ment is intended to prove that men can, in certain circumstances, be called gods .... [Jesus] goes back to fundamental principles and argues, more generally, that the word 'god' can, in certain circumstances, be applied to beings other than God himself, to whom he has committed authority." 24
And that, in a nutshell, is the LDS view. Whether in this life or the next, through Christ human beings can be given the powers of God and the authority of God. Those who receive this great inheritance can properly be called gods. They are not gods in the Greek philosophic sense of "ultimate beings," nor do they compete with God, the source of their inheritance, as objects of worship. They remain eternally his begotten sons and daughters -therefore, never equal to him nor independent of him. Orthodox theologians may argue that Latter-day Saints shouldn't use the term gods for nonultimate beings, but this is because the Latter-day Saints' .use of the term violates Platonic rather than biblical definitions. Both in the scriptures and in earliest Christianity those who received the word of God were called gods.
I don't need to repeat here the views of Christian saints and theologians cited above on the doctrine of deification. But it should be noted that for them, as for the Latter-day Saints, the doctrine of deification implied a plurality of "gods" but not a plurality of Gods. That is, it did not imply polytheism. Saint Clement of Alexandria was surely both a monotheist and a Christian, and yet he believed that those who are perfected through the gospel of Christ "are called by the appellation of gods, being destined to sit on thrones with the other gods that have been first installed in their places by the Savior." 25 This is good LDS doctrine. If Clement, the Christian saint and theologian, could teach that human beings will be called gods and will sit on thrones with others who have been made gods by Jesus Christ, how in all fairness can Joseph Smith be declared a polytheist and a non-Christian for teaching the same thing? In harmony with widely recognized scriptural and historical precedents, Latter-day Saints use the term gods to describe those who will, through the grace of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ, receive of God's fulness - of his divine powers and pre-rogatives-in the resurrection. Thus, for Latter-day Saints the question "Is there more than one god?" is not the same as "Is there more than one source of power or object of worship in the universe?" For Latter-day Saints, as for Saint Clement, the answer to the former is yes, but the answer to the latter is no. For Latter-day Saints the term god is a title which can be extended to those who receive the power and authority of God as promised to the faithful in the scriptures; but such an extension of that title does not challenge, limit, or infringe upon the ultimate and absolute position and authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
When anti-Mormon critics interpret Exodus ?: 1, Deut. 10:1 ?, Ps. 8:5 (in Hebrew), Ps. 45:6, Ps. 82:6, or John 10:34-36, they go to great lengths to clarify that these scriptures use the term god in a limited sense and that therefore they do not involve any polytheism-there may be more than one "god," but there is only one God. When they discuss Latter-day Saint writings that use the term god in the same sense, however, the critics seldom offer the same courtesy. Instead they disallow any limited sense in which the term gods can be used when that term occurs in LDS sources, thereby distorting and misinterpreting our doctrine, and then accuse us of being "polytheists" for speaking of "gods" in a sense for which there are valid scriptural and historical precedents.
Other Christian saints, theologians, and writers-both ancient and modern-have believed human beings can become "gods" but have not been accused of polytheism, because the "gods" in this sense were viewed as remaining forever subordinate to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Since this is also the doctrine of the Latter-day Saints, they also ought to enjoy the same defense against the charge of polytheism. Since these other Christians and the Latter-day Saints share the same doctrine, they should share the same fate; either make polytheist heretics of the saints, theologians, and writers in question, or allow the Latter-day Saints to be considered worshippers of the one true God.
Are Mormons Christians by Stephen E Robinson Pg 268-283"
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There is one God but I think God can grant you the power to be a saint and theoretically create their own worlds.
Oh! You believe that there are many Gods, kingdoms, and universes, but you only worship 1 God
Correct, we worship the Father as the head god of his Kingdom even though we know about the other gods and their kingdoms.
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Latter day saints don't worship one god. The godhead, father, son & holy spirit, which is 3, are worshipped as one, just as scripture describes
Fascinating video. This, of course, is one area with which we (Muslims) are in stark contrast to you (LDS). This helps articulate the differences, and the reasons you believe as you do. I agree that modern scholarship does indicate that the Bible (especially the Old Testament) is more henotheistic than monotheistic in many passages.
One of the keys in this discussion is what is meant by the term "god". Many pagan "gods" of ancient myth bear little resemblance to what we would call "God"--they have limited power, they have imperfect foreknowledge, they themselves are subject to fate, etc. Indeed, what traditional Christianity and Islam term "Angels" (or Islamic Jinn) have powers that would rival those of the ancient pagan gods...or even today, what Marvel Superheroes are capable of (and with Thor it's pretty explicit.) However, most non-Mormon Christians, Jews, and Muslims would describe God as the Eternal One, without beginning or ending, Creator of all, all-knowing, and all-powerful. Many Christians will also add Omnipresence and that God has no body; however, the idea of God having a body is actually one that isn't unique to Mormonism--some Muslims of the Athiri school will accept that when it describes Allah as having a "hand" or "face" it is literal, but "unlike anything created" and refuse to speculate on what it means...only accepting that those in Paradise will be able to see his face. Other Muslims view these descriptions as anthropomorphisms and are not meant to be taken literally.) The idea that God literally has children (in LDS theology and also among the pre-Islamic Arab pagans), however, is rejected explicitly in Islam (see Sura 112, Al-Ikhlas, in the Holy Quran).
10:30 This was a bit misleading, though, in that Akhenaten made a radical break with Egyptian religion, exalting Aten and forbidding the worship of other gods (this is one reason he and his queen was reviled after his death, when Akhenaten's reforms were repudiated and the old gods were reinstated.) One might argue that Akhenaten's cult was henotheist or Monolatry, but his attack directly on all other old gods of Egypt made it pretty clear that he wasn't a polytheist in the pagan sense. So saying that all the ancient Egyptians were polytheists isn't entirely accurate.