Temp Score (?) for Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - "Saving the Whales" scene - Music by James Horner
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- A clip from 'Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home' (1986) using an alternate score tracked in from 'Star Trek III: The Search for Spock' (1984) by James Horner: the cues "A Fighting Chance to Live" and "Bird of Prey Decloaks." With a notable exception, these tracks are placed virtually unedited from how they were recorded.
The film as released featured a memorable score by Leonard Rosenman: • Star Trek IV The Voyag...
It's in Rosenman's signature style, but does share some traits with these alternate Horner cues, most notably a cavalry-style rendition of the film's main theme on horns backed by military percussion and high strings at the most suspenseful point.
I really must stress that literally the only points I've specifically timed to sync are the initial cut to the whale's spout and the harpoon thunk/ decloaking ship. That's it! Everything else is completely serendipitous.
when the movie came out and I saw this scene...and the Kligon ship Decloaked it was perfect the ship had the look of a UFO more then the Enterprise would and also it seems the Sailors still are superstious....🤣🤣😂😂
I thought the same thing. The klingon Bird of Prey was the perfect ship for this scene. Quite ominous looking.
@patrickperalta59 w22w WA w2ww was
This is the music from ST3
@@lamueldagon7618Correct!
I watched this in the theater and the whole audience burst into a cheer when the harpoon hit the Bird of Prey.
same here man! hahah it was just great. Even my mom cheered and she hated scifi back then. hahah.
I wished I'd seen it back in 1986
Imagine what it will be happen when they will be shoot down a Bird of Prey by harpoon! :D
This is still my favorite Star Trek movie of all time.
Mine as well😊
Cloak or not. Flying a 30,000 ton bird of prey directly over that ship in an atmosphere is going to be extremely noticeable lol.
Oh they noticed, when the bounty came out of cloak haha
The tublance from the trusters would been notice
That's Hollywood for you
What's really funny was that the production crew almost got in trouble with environmental law makers because they actually thought the crew went out and filmed the Humpbacks in the wild. Since they were on the protected species list it's illegal to dive and film them. The director had to show them the behind the scenes footage of the animatronic whales being made. When they were cleared one of the FX crew said "We better get an Oscar for this."
This was the best scene from the best Star Trek movie.
I love Star Trek! I love this movie in particular! This is one of my favourite scenes, the breaking of the thick rope, rendering the cruel harpoon useless and scaring the shit out of the fishermen!! The actors playing the Whale hunters acted very well in my very humble opinion, but I do get a real sense of joy from their shocked reaction and I want to always yell out "shame on you for hunting these beautiful sentient animals" Wonderful movie!🙂🐳🐋💕 The music was rather good as well!! Cheers Trekers!!!
You made me realize how much I miss Admiral James Horner. Live Long. And Prosper, sir.
yeah just imagine being in the middle of no where and a Kinglon Bird of pray does that. yeah id run like hell also..
Yes!!! I was hoping someone would attempt Horner in IV and this moment from III works really well. Awesome work!
Yes, I can´t forget that scene......So real!!! So full of color!!!
There be whales capitain!! Scotty makes this movie awesome - transparent aluminum.
The transparent aluminium already exist...
One of the most iconic scenes in Star , arguably the most.
The helmsman on the whaling boat: Captain! The wheel isn't connected to anything. All she does is spin around like a cat's toy!
Ok, so now THAT'S a UFO sighting.
Or, as they tend to call them now, UAP sightings...
This scene didn't hold up visually on VHS 4×3 ratio. So much better in wide-screen
Can you imagine what the crew of the whaler thought when a klingon bird of prey suddenly appeared in front of them 😅
Many a pant was thrown overboard that day...
this will be discussed on coast to coast am for years , even though the governments of the world will deny it.
This comment wins the internet!
Things of the future can surprise you !
Ya know i often think, if he could decloak and have no one else notice it. he could totaly hit that ship with a disrupter, blow it to pieces and no one would ever know. just sayin.
Every episode is just awesome one is fantastic as the next
It's funny when you hear someone saying, "What the hell with the phone?"
I also found it funny when you see the old guy pretending to help spin the wheel.
I think he panicked so badly he broke the rudder cable!
Either that, or that boat has a 150:1 wheel/tiller arrangement!
This is great!
You don't just keep turning the helm to keep turining. The rudder will eventually get to its max deflection. Jeebus!
How much rudder does that little boat have? And why are the Nordic Whalers hunting off the coast of San Fransisco? Why does a Bird Of Prey with a working impulse engine need to worry about chasing a very slow ship? It was fun Trek, but it wasn't very logical.
And Finns in particular. I could kinda understand Icelanders or Norwegians who have an access to an ocean. Or even the Danes. But Finns? Lol that's silly. But I guess the language seemed to please their ears. It sounds barely understandable though, the pronunciation is horrible.
I want a wall poster of Whaling Ship vs. Klingon Bird of Prey.
Now that you mention it I want one now, too!
The bird of prey decloaked and the people on that ship were like holy shit what the Hell.
By the way, the music used here when the bird of prey decloaks is called "Bird of Prey Decloaks." XD
some didn't care for this Star Trek film, but ST-IV was one of my favorites from the original crew.
One thing that bothered me about this scene is that if they were really low enough to block that harpoon, they would be in the water. Not hovering higher than the ship.
WOW! This REALLY punched up the scene. Double comment because I'm currently squeezing a few tears.
Aw thanks a bunch. I try not to get overly sentimental about media and pop culture stuff but I confess I was getting chills myself when first watching the completed video. Particularly when the music intensifies *precisely* on the cut to the whales starting to rise (about 01:46) - I swear to you, I did *not* plan that at all. In fact I barely did any editing or matching on the two music tracks at all - I only lined them up at two points near the beginning and end (three if you count the harpoon thud and decloaking separately) and then faded them into each other in the middle.
I wonder how many of the whalers needed a change of underwear after the bird of prey decloaked? xD
Horner was sorely missing from ST IV. Thank you for this
They were, of course, having a whale of a time .......
Very well done. As much as I like star trek 4 I was never into the score. I also much prefer James horner.
When I first saw this scene, I was so emotional.
A spaceship from the future that faces a boat, to save two whales.
A moving and powerful scene.
After the first Star Trek, this is the best.
Bye from Italy!
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i loved this movie!
If you ask me, whaling is murder. Whales are large, sentient, thinking mammals. And when we hunt and kill them, they suffer profoundly. 😢😩😫
You know, I’m beginning to think I’m really the only person that actually likes the music in the Voyage Home. Though I will say, you did do a great job at making it sound seamless. Normally I don’t enjoy when people splice in music that wasn’t in the original product, but this is genuinely amazing honestly. Though like I said, I honestly do love the music in this movie, I just love the cheeriness of it.
Thanks, and I liked Rosenman's score, too! In fact putting this together helped me notice it's not as different from Horner's scores as we might think. It's one of the reasons why I believe this may well have been the genuine temp music they used during production.
@@lizardmanYTMND That honestly wouldn’t surprise me.
I like it too. It does however lack the "operatic" feel of the first 3 films. But Leonard Nimoy wanted a more "modern" score for this film, that could sound like any adventure/drama, not just sound like a Star Trek movie. Obviously, a very modern take was necessary for the crew's adventures in San Francisco. Its not my favorite, but a solid score, and the main title theme is actually great. I wonder what TNG would have sounded like if they incorporated this main title to the TNG credits, since it came out the following year.
I completely agree. Movies 2,3, and 4 are basically a trilogy story wise. Using this specific track would be a lovely callback to Kirk's other heroic moment of outsmarting Khan. Should have hired you!!
@@ChrisS-no3ft From what I understand, Nimoy was keen to work with Rosenman starting with Star Trek III, but was convinced that keeping Horner on was good for continuity. He offered Star Trek IV to Horner at first as well, but by then Horner had become an in-demand composer and wanted to take advantage of all the offers pouring in his way, so that freed Nimoy to revisit his original plans to hire Rosenman (sometimes I wonder if it's because they're both named Leonard, haha!).
I still believe if James Horner had agreed to score “Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home,” it would helped him exercise composing a lighter toned score considering the nature of this wonderful film. I still do not like Leonard Rosenman’s monotone, insipid score. Its the one thing that mars “The Voyage Home.”
A bunch of whaling goons yelling “f-ck me”, followed by some 💩 pants. Best ST movie!!
Fantastic work. Wish I worked out how to keep the dialogue. The blend of the tracks works. Bird of Prey Decloaks was adept at ratcheting tension
Thanks, I used adobe to isolate the center channel, which in most cases is pretty good at separating the dialogue and music, but that actually didn't work too well for this movie's sound mix (note that Sulu's lines are kind of garbled). Fortunately most of the important dialogue and sound effects in this scene didn't have music and so I could just lay the new tracks on top.
@@lizardmanYTMND interesting, I might try that software and redo my vids. As I say this was nice work.
realism in sci-fi
knew someone when I was 17 that was a merchet marine, he worked on ships going to and from the aisan countries told me some stores of things that still go on in the oceans that is unexplainable
2:36 - I would have gotten a heart attack if on that ship, but whale catchers have no hearts so they lived.
And thus the Temporal Prime Directive was born 🙂
??? Uh… WTF was that old man on the bridge of the whaler doing? Slapping empty air? The guy next to him was the one spinning the wheel.🤨❓❔
Holy smokes I never noticed that! 😆
Probably in utter panic - y'know, like when an alien spaceship with what looks like a huge cannon on the front suddenly appears in front of your boat.
2:24 look the angle he shoot harpune , the bop is much higher 2:37 so he can never hit the bop the underside is much higher as he shoot the harpune ^^
What the hell? You could have at least finished beaming them up!
I've always wondered, how many wheel revolutions does it take to turn that rudder to full starboard. 100? 150?
To be fair, the helmsman possibly broke the steering in sheer panic.
That's what they get for trying to Harpoon they whale😄🦅.
are you going to do the full movie with James horner's score?
Part of me would love to do that but I doubt I'll get as lucky as I did here. It really must be emphasized that the vast majority of moments where the music appears to match the action on screen here are coincidental, I honestly suspect I've stumbled on what they actually used for the temp score during production.
Also humpback are my favorite
This was fun.
The music makes it more epic
If I were one of Captain Kirk’s crew, I’d use both advanced holograms and sound to make a realistic legendary giant sea monster:
Leviathan the giant sea serpent.
Then it gives a real big roar that would scare the heck out of a lot of whale hunters.
While I like Leonard Rosenman's scoring on IV, I do feel it would've been more appropriate if James Horner had done the score. Especially as II, III and IV form a story arc.
I like turm colorful metaphor 3:01 😂
With ST IV being _so_ distinct from the other ST films, I think Nimoy needed to move away from Horner's well-noted predilection for yet again employing (as he did in many of his film scores) the same exact four note "danger motif" and any other Horner harmonic cues that could have popped up.
Gosh I love that warship!
Should have added the voice of the Klingon over the whalers, 5000 kalaclams closing, would have been fun
I am sorely tempted! XD
Very cool! I did enjoy aspects of the score to the Voyage Home, but the music to this scene actually makes me cringe a little. Yes, Horner could have brought his normal magic, but then we would have been without some of those enjoyable cuts like the main title and the chases of Checkov on the carrier and through the hospital. Given how long the length of the "standard edit" lasted in Hollywood, I bet there's a lot more possibilities out there like this. Thanks for making it.
Though I enjoyed the movie pretty much, I always found this scene ridiculous: when the rope of the harpoon is severed, disregarding Newtonian physics, its head drops into the water rather than continuing its flight.
The rope was not severed. The harpoon bounced off the hull of the Bird of Prey and then fell into the water.
@@jimbobeire You're right. I misinterpreted the scene. Thanks for the clarification!
If this was in real life this one way to scare the shit out of whaling ship cre
I think the original music they used in the movie is the best.
This doesn’t fit the movie.
Eine meiner Lieblingsszenen in dem Film.
Scheiß Walfänger.
Still, Khan was the best (except the, "I never forget a face" part). 😂
Essa nave é linda demais!!!
Why not just blow the ship up
Kill a bunch of men at work, doing something that was legal at that time? What if one of those men had a kid who helped set up Starfleet, or was a great great.... great grandparent of Chekov?
Language sounds like Finnish or Estonian- but I don't remember us doing any whale hunting ever! Try Norwegians, Japanese or Brits.
How the heck DOES a wheel work on a boat? The rudder should be able to go only so far not spin in circles, no? Seems a little ridiculous even if done for dramatic effect.
Sulu does it without even being asked.😅
the return home
Why mix up ST3 music score into this?? The ST4 score is fine on it's own.
Why not? The scene with Rosenman's original score is available on youtube as well. No harm done! :)
Yeah. I suppose so.
How to say"Get lost in Klingon"
Looking at that scene, I was wondering what does the harpoon actually hit? It's aimed at the water, you hear thud against something but when the bird of prey decloaks it's way above the whaling ship....???
It shows the ship in a dive, then it levels off and flies past the boat. It has to turn around. When it decloaks it's rising up and the long shot shows it's not a stable hover. The wings are going up and down and the ships is going up and down. The bottom of the ship is below the top of the boats mast.
It hits the deflector screen bubble surrounding the ship. Just as the cloak is surrounding it.
My favorite scene in the movie
That’s all it takes to terrify a shipful of Norweigans?
Still bugs me- the shape of the shadow not matching the Bird of Prey's shape.
Plus the sailors aren't in shadow in close ups.
Great job on the musical selection. And wow, despite the sheer awesomeness of the warbird materializing in front of the whaling ship, the rest of the scene has not aged well. Full power descent? Wouldn't that be like warp 8 and take them through the earth and the solar system in an eyeblink? Couldn't they have just vaporized the whaling ship from afar? Would not only have saved their whales but probably many others. But seriously, l still love this movie. Its heart was totally in the right place despite the many plot flaws.
That mistake has always made me laugh. Full-power descent in a warp-capable vessel, while already in the dense atmosphere of SEA LEVEL earth? Ah, writers!
vaporizing the ship would alter the future too much becauseif they killed the men on the ship any of their descendants might be a future savior of the planet or something along those lines it's the temporal prime directive
@@HAWKEYE21343 that's a good point, although just appearing to them wasn't exactly noninvasive. Anyway, the scene is awesome.
@David Tatro true, but it was the lesser of 2 evils. And at that time in earth's history if those men said anything it would been considered a ufo encounter
I'm thinking "full power descent" probably refers to the thrusters or something. I'm no technobabble expert, though!
I wonder if those whales had any acting lessons
If I were Kirk in this scene, I’d have fired off a couple of photons at that ship!!!
Much as they deserved it, he might have inadvertently vaporized one of their ancestors.
Did Nimoy really temp these scenes with these particular cues? Or is this just a fanmade rescore?
If Nimoy really did use this as temp music, could you provide a source where you discovered this information?
If it's just a fanmade rescore, I'd recommend renaming the video as a "Rescore" instead of a "Temp Score", as "Temp Score" implies that the director actually used this music during the film's editing process.
You're right, "temp score" isn't an accurate term in this case (as far as I know). I used the term mostly as a low-key way of asking any potential viewers out there who could shed light on that subject, (and I didn't want to title it something like "Was This the Temp Score?") because the music fits so uncannily well it's made me legit curious. Though to be less confusing/misleading I've added a "(?)" to the title.
Jeff Mann on the harpoon gun. Charley Bailey on the helm. Both Industrial Light & Magic model makers.
STIII music in STIV?
Indeed!
never underestimate a good engineer.
bravooooooo !!
What I would give to see that happen to every fishing boat and whale hunting ship out there, stay off the seven seas or be destroyed, just for 10 to 20 years, give all sea life a chance to recover in numbers and sizes.
Great
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That whaler must have lost his rudder and everything else between it and the helmsman 🤣 that wheel was spinning to infinity 1 bird of prey 0 whaler
Well only a spaceship like that could do that.
Kids in the writers room. That’s how it’s done.
A jouster in a bath robe!😂😂😂😂
How did those whales make it from California to the North Atlantic in one day?
It was supposed to be the North Pacific, since Dr. Taylor said they were going to be "flown to Alaska in a specially modified 747".
They had air miles.
Und wer rettet heute unsere Tiere ????
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dont you just hate it when your trying to hunt whales and aliens come and stop you
Your trying what? Your trying day? Your trying mother in law?
Mikä helvetti tuo oli?
Klingon battle ship decloaking.
Aqui se sentia Kirk...como si piloteara un Mig!!
bet that bird of prey can hold a lot of sardines. just sayin'.
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Seeing George Takei’s face after the harpoon hits is priceless. I’m certain he’s enjoyed being “harpooned” plenty of times!