That's like saying the literal cancer cells are evil, though. Cancer sucks, but it's only evil because it's growth causes our death. If it was sentient, it would probably say that it just wants to live.
G-canon, EU and Mouse canon are 3 different Star wars. Even novelizations of 6 episodes sometimes tell direct opposite to what Lucas said. Have you ever heard about death of the author?
That ends up being pure conjecture when Lucus has failed to define what good and evil even consist of within the world he created. Being "good" apparently just amounts to Lucus personally liking it and "evil" amounting to not liking it because he failed to establish coherent definitions of morality to begin with.
@@verrave9022 he did establish those definitions, I don't remember the date of the conference but he actually explained what the good and the bad actually were in his universe in a speech. He defined the "Good side" or "light", as being in harmony, doesn't mean you cannot ever use dark side powers or have moments were you might decide that a direct and more forceful approach is in order to solve a thing, but in the end your morality and ethic will mantain you in check and just, you know, living life with its ups and downs, ideally leaning towards more "light side" powers if you're a force user, but that's just because you're in harmony and might find ways not to use the darker powers to solve something, even if sometimes it just comes down to it. The "Evil" is being what for example Palpatine is, a power hungry man without regard for anything and anyone that isn't his ultimate dominance over the galaxy, playing the mask of a "good guy" to deceive and using whatever means possible, to ensure his personal gain's completion. Being like this naturally detaches you from your inner harmony and connection to the force, you become isolated and that's why your body starts to get damaged, corrupted and deformed, because you're straying yourself from the force, from the literal life force of the cosmos (doesn't matter good or evil, I mean the cosmos itself without definition), they're not stronger by using dark side powers, they might look or be strong because they trained a lot, which pays off, but they're actually getting weaker and more damaged overtime. I love legends by the way, but aside from some lightning, force movements and martial arts Palpatine didn't do much in the films, later in legends everyone's power is escalated to DBZ proportions, but in the actual films, there wasn't that much, a good example is the battle between Mace Windu and Palpatine, Mace, even with the flaws of his character, still won fair and square by showing off that balance of being able to use both light and dark in his favor without losing himself, using Palpatine's own power against him, they were both fairly equal warriors, yet the one with the healthy connection to cosmos itself is the one who won the battle.
Someone can be wrong about their own creation. For example, if someone who thinks murder is awesome creates a story, are we going to consider murder as good?
Darth Bane literally wiped out the entirety of his own faction and Jedi and kept their souls trapped for a millennium with that thought bomb used! He murked children and paved the road for the galaxy to be enslaved by palpatine. The literal embodiment of the dark side of the force, the son, both legends and canon is depicted as an evil and a corrupter at heart. Most darth side users view the light side of the force as weaker and tend to make fun of their weakness. There’s no contemplating both sides of the force for them. They strictly stick to the dark side of the force because they know it gives them more power. Even plagueis was thoroughly severed by the will of the force from it, which was an act that had been reserved to the enslaving and tyrannical rakata species Ok if Anakin fall was partly the Jedi but it was manipulated by the sith in general who used his emotions and obsession with padme to turn him! Revan didn’t see the weakness of the republic, he saw that the republic as it is was too weak to deal with the bordering empire made by an ancient Sith Lord to subjugate it that was going to threaten it soon. You didn’t even bring up kreia who straight up planned to take out the force which is the unifying life force of the galaxy and leave behind only those with the toughest of wills?! Which would have wiped out many!! There is no both siding the sith and Jedi order one actively seeks to gorge itself on power while the other in principle wish only aid others
And the force was ey ok with it. Indeed, the force got so upset at the Jedi it wiped them out. The force put Anakin into this world to bring balance. It was sick and tired of the corrupt Jedi and their nonsense. Better to remove then all then destroy the sith with that same son. Luke Skywalker was just another clown, his role was to make Anakin, the Son of the force, complete his destruction of both the weak Sith and Jedi orders. Sadly Luke carried on for some time with the nonsense Jedi concept even though he knew it was hated by the Force.
@ no it wasn’t, for the vast majority of the sith attempt at gaining power it was undone time and time again by servants of the light side of force and the Jedi order. To a point where the sith had to cull their own numbers and tuck their tiny tails between their legs and hide while gaining power to usurp the will of the force. Until they manage to corrupt it and flip the tide to darkside and blinded the Jedi order who were already stagnant and stuck with the republic because their ancient enemy were hiding for 1000 years. Does that sound like the life field of the galaxy favoring the dark side to you? Did Anakin (the chosen one) having to be manipulated by a Sith Lord and still losing to someone far weaker than him and being crippled sound like force favoring sith? Please even in Disney the force ghost still around, still being able to teach them and empowering Rey to kill off the strongest Sith Lord left and be the last one standing. So your assessment is still wrong
"The literal embodiment of the dark side of the force, the son, both legends and canon is depicted as an evil and a corrupter at heart." right, i guess if we disregard his reaction to stabbing his sister who he should be happy about ending yet isn't. sure, totally evil and irredeemable. "Even plagueis was thoroughly severed by the will of the force from it, which was an act that had been reserved to the enslaving and tyrannical rakata species" that just didn't happen at all.
@@TheOneWhoShushes By the nature of the force. Evil and Good are subjective qualities. A despotic specie that does not feel negativity when suppressing the weak is not an evil specie to anyone within it, its a subjective analysis from species outside of it. The same applies to the force. The dark side is controlled by ego and strong emotion, it leads to conflict, destruction and supremacy. These things are viewed as "evil" by many, but not by all. On the other end, the Jedi are orthodox, close minded and arrogant in the eyes of many, but also "good" by those they have helped. But for the Force itself? The Force destroyed the Jedi, sending its child Anakin to destroy the Jedi first and then the Sith. It mattered not to the force how balance was reached, but to most it would be rather "evil". Its all very zen.
The first ever dark jedi were using the force to corrupt and enslave minds until the jedi stopped them The first ever sith lords invaded the republic with the goal of conquest The sith under Exar Kun, Revan and Vitiate all did too Nihilus tried to consume the galaxy Sion's goal was genocide That is not a smear campagn. We lived it. We knew it
nope, nothing in the legends first and second jedi schism says anything about that being the cause. you just made that up. yeah, because of what the jedi did to the first dark jedi they planted within them the seeds of hate that would make the sith a malignant parody of the jedi. speaking of which, the jedi committed genocide on the sith species. not the order that came about because of there actions mind you, but civilians that where just minding there own business. nihilus become the way he is thanks to the jedi allowing the mandalorians to get as far as they did with out lending further support for the ones within there order who wanted to stop them before they caused more chaos. and making a certain jedi use certain mass shadow generator which made nihilus into who he is. sion's goal was the annihilation of the jedi, don't make it sound like he wanted to destroy all life. your little smear campaign is not going to work with proper context.
@lodesun Exile after the dark jedi committed terrible crimes does not make revenge acceptable, my friend. Also, Malachor V was a result of Revan's actions. And it's very much established that Revan chose Malachor V because he already did fall to the dark side. Considering Nihilus, Meetra also got a force wound. Yet she didn't decide to go eating planets. As for Sion, I never said anything about wiping out all life. I said genocide. And killing all the jedi would count as genocide
@ when said terrible crimes are brought about thanks to the intolerance of the so called good guys, it does my boy. he didn't choose malachor V because he "fall to the dark side" it was the only place where he could end the war. the exile cut themselves off from the force when that happened, nihilus didn't. not the same. hmm, okay then, let's test your morality. the jedi once wiped out the sith species in a genocide(non-combatants included) would you consider that a genocide? and stop liking your own comment, you're not winning based on who likes you the most.
@@lodesun Intolerance to do what? Before the dark side was completely banned, the order was surprisingly agreeable. Meaning you had to do some real horrible stuff to get in trouble for it. When it comes to Malachor V, Revan specifically chose it to push the dark side on to his followers. It was a dark side nexus after all. The mandalorians attacked there on Revan terms, not their own terms. Just because Nihilus didn't cut himself off means he couldn't. It's about choice until the dark side made him unable to choose any longer. Kreia made this perfectly clear. And when it comes to genocide on the sith people by the jedi, according to who? Yes, they all died out eventually. But it wasn't implied the jedi slaughtered them. Given that they accepted full-blood recruits during swtor like Praven says enough. And the sith weren't wiped out by the republic after Sadow's invasion either. The went into hiding to the Dromund System or were slaughtered by Vitiate during his Nathema ritual. And lastly, don't get so worked up on how I run my comments. It's not healthy to stress about trivial stuff like that. If I like my own comments, that's on me
@ no they weren't, first great schism buddy. don't talk if you don't know your lore. nope, just a strategic advantage. and kreia never said anything like that. nihilus became like that the moment the mass shadow did it's thing, and the effects where immediate severing his connection would destroy him. look up the sith holocaust. nice of you to expose yourself like that.
when said mass-murdering sadist are brought about from said somewhat flawed faction, you need to take a step back and really consider who is the problem.
On one extreme the Sith are prone to extreme violence and on the other extreme the Jedi are prone to such detachment and inaction as to actively let sentient beings suffer even when something can be done to stop it.
In practice, the Sith focus inward, on themselves. As they hone their focus, sharpen their power. They inevitably become selfish. Selfishness concentrated is evil.
@@neaps8418 None of what you've described is tantamount to evil in the same extent than selfishness is, even when pushed to the extreme. Also, the Jedi have existed for literal millennia. Cherry piking key moments of history to make the order look bad is easy but for each story of the jedi at their worst, there are a hundred more of them at their best.
@yoannbelleville7763 Existed for a millennia and yet. Most of their existence has been nothing more then being subservient to the republic/not doing there actual job, having their own kin turn to the dark side nearly destroying them and being so stupid their entire order fell without realizing it
@@neaps8418, let's say they are. Those flaws aren't quite as destructive as being selfish with enough power to make the death star seem like nothing. (Can't remember the exact quote, but it's what Darth Vader said regarding the death star in A New Hope.)
You said not to let one sith lord represent in entire ideology. Ever heard of Darth Bane, Darth Nihilius, Exar Kun, Darth Malgus, Vitiate, revan when he was a sith. Are they all misunderstood to?
Exar Kun at least to an extent was trapped into the path of becoming Dark Lord, though it involved many, many preventable mistakes, he didn't start out all bad. Bane at least starts out sympathetic before becoming a Sith.
I think it’s more like the jedi molded the sith, first the species and then the order, to become their evil counterparts, their greatest rivals one genocide at a time. The dark jedi conquering the sith, the republic lauching an extermination campaign on the sith worlds after the Great Hyperspace war, and then the successives empires. I can understand why the sith became more hateful and radical in each iteration of their empire. For them the jedi must have been like monsters, the creatures of dark scarry tales that want to snatch them at night… I think Bane doomed the sith to faliure with the rule of two. The idea that by being the only two sith they would be more powerful was idiotic since the force was produced by life, and there wasn’t a limited pool to draw from. Also, even If it did, the sith weren’t the only dark side organization, so his plan was actually idiotic
To my understanding there was only one non-evil Sith, a guy named Darth Vectivus, all the others, be they tragic cases of those life treated badly, or the well-intentioned gone bad, in the end they became by and large pretty evil after going dark side, maybe to differing magnitudes yet Sith philosophy pushes an extreme even worse than the extreme the jedi code pushes. Excesive selflessness vs excessive selfishness. It just so happens that the force ain't exactly fond of the selfish side using the force, the power of life, to hurt living things through which the force flows. It does conjure an amusing image of Sith Lords making the force hit itself like some schoolyard bully, but the more accurate perspective is the dark side is a cancer.
For what I understand, even Darth Vectivus's story is questionable. I haven't red the books so I may be wrong, but it was apparently told to Jacen Solo by Lumiya in order to turn him to the darkside. Not exactly an unbiased source.
@@dreadrath Darth marr is a example of a good sith and many sith fully agreed and respected him both cause of his power but his genuine desire to protect his people which was one of the main reasons for the sith having issues with the Jedi and the Republic both had gravely wronged the sith multiple times during that time period so that incarnation of sith had legitimate reasons for some of their behavior unlike the ro2 and other later sith
I mean Sith aren't inherently evil but their philosophy does encourage evil behavior and thinking. If they'd be channeling their love for others id agree more with the point you want to make but Sith are channeling their hatred. Malgus killed his GF because he saw his love as a weakness. Also I'd want to say, malgus is one of the lesser evil sith lords in my opinion, yk what I mean if you follow his lore xD But still, malgus was kinda evil and sith philosophy was a big part in that I understand the point u wanna make tho. I don't think either that Sith are just evil for the sake of being evil but it's very hard to be a Sith without doing some pretty messed up stuff so yea :| If I may reformulate your point, I'd say "The Dark side is not the evil side of the force" or smth
To me, this is like someone bringing up how evil America was circa 1920s-1940s while ignoring the evils of nazi germany and the Soviet Union. This video is a garbage analysis and ignores nearly every evil we’ve seen the sith do throughout the franchise.
As the force said; here you go, he will bring balance to the force and his name is John Anakina! Look, the force dislikes "good" and "evil". It it is stagnant it dies. Darth Vader was the gift from the force to a fallen Jedi that refused to open their eyes. Evil is required to remove good. Good is required to remove evil. Its just a cycle yo!
@@GnosticAtheist “ What do you wish to hear? That I once believed in the code of the Jedi? That I felt the call of the Sith, that perhaps, once, I held the galaxy by its THROAT? That for every good work I did, I brought equal HARM upon the galaxy? That PERHAPS, what the greatest of the Sith Lords knew of evil, they learned from ME!? What would it matter now? There is only so much comfort in knowing such things, and it is not who I am now.“ By Kreia on Kreia.
I think it's fairer to say the that the dark side isn't inherently evil. Both aspects of the force represent core aspects of human nature. But the Jedi and Sith are another matter. The Sith are ubiquitously evil by most people's standards. But some philosophers would consider the Jedi's ideology to be morally repulsive as well. I could easily see someone like Nietzsche make the same commentary about the Jedi as he would toward Christianity or religious asceticism in general. A nihilistic cult promoting slave morality, mediocrity, and life-denial upon its members and the wider galaxy. He wouldn't be entirely on board with the Sith either, but he might've had more sympathy for them since their philosophy at least understood and embraced the centrality of the will to power. Though power through domineering others is the lowest and most vulgar form of power, usually to compensate for a lack of inner power. But nonetheless, to completely deny/suppress aspects of one's own nature could be argued to be evil. I don't think anyone would reasonably argue that forcing a tiger to be a vegan would be a "good" thing to do, yet Jedi morality (and many real-life moral systems) argue that it's right to do essentially the same thing to humans. Suppress their most basic emotions, even love. Passion, self-interest, ambition, anger, the desire (and even greed) for power and agency, these are all a part of us whether we like it or not. A better moral system would be one that embraces and incorporates both "light" and "dark" sentiments, not just embrace one and suppress the other like the Jedi/Sith do. Side-rant: History is NOT written by the victors. It is written by people who write, whether on the winning or losing side.
You are wrong...BOTH factions wasn`t the good ones. Just like in reality. Groups with power have interrests. They are willing to make sacrifices...like other peoples. The Jedi and the Sith did sacrifice soldiers (Clones and Stormtroopers) without a blink. The only difference is, that the Jedi did call themself the good ones. Even if they stole kids from the whole galaxy, to turn them into Jedi´s. There is no good or bad force...it´s only "the force"...and peoples, which misuse that power in one or an other way.
The Jedi didn’t steal kids they actively asked their parents if they would allow them to join their order. If the dark side isn’t evil why does it alway corrupt and weaken its users over time? Why does it feed off of negative emotions and reduce the user as a raging power hungry animal? Why is it always painted as tyrannical? Why do they always go too far like Anakin murdering Tusken children?
The dark side IS evil, people tend to forget quite often when George Lucas described what light and dark are, they're not two halves, Light is everything in harmony, and Dark is detaching yourself from that everything to pursue a selfish path full of vices and toxic behaviour, which in turn corrupts you. The true light side as George Lucas himself described it, would then be composed of what the people see as "light and dark side of the force", but IN BALANCE, and the true dark side, is having both of that in disarray, detaching yourself from the harmonious natural cycle, and thus ruining your life and everything and everyone around you, and sure, you most certainly will lean towards more "darker" skills if you're like this, as well as leaning towards more "lighter" skills if you're in harmony, but being a "light side" person means you can use both kinds of power in harmony without losing yourself, and your connection to the cosmos in the proccess, while being a "dark side" person is the opposite, it's just common sense and logic guys. To tell an example, we could have a person mostly use light side powers because he's a nice guy, but when the situation calls it, use some dark side power here and there, trying not to twist his own morality in the proccess, and he sometimes might be in the wrong too, and others might view him as evil if his mistakes have severe consequences, while others will see him as good if his moments of triumph portray him as such a person, but the important thing is that you don't need to be a Jedi in this case, and you're still a good person even if you use dark sometimes to help you out, even if you commit mistakes or have times where your darker emotions get the better of you, you can fix things, you can atone for your mistakes and you can forgive others and yourself, move on and grow up in life. And the opposite would perfectly be a power hungry politician who doesn't care about anything but his own power, playing with masks, people, everything, to ensure his ultimate dominance over the rest, he could even use light side powers to appear benevolent and deceive you, then stab you in the back....oh, am I describing the Sith?, am I describing Palpatine?, yes I am, the Sith ARE EVIL because they embrace this kind of attitude, if they're too impatient to attempt the "good guy who's actually evil route" it's their own fault, but they certainly can because they're force users; might not be too proficient in light side powers after falling so much out of touch with their inner harmony, but it doesn't block them from using those. They're evil because they choose to be, enforcing toxic behaviour for their own personal gain, without empathy for anything else, that IS evil, the worst kind, evil for the sake of evil.
@EthanHeredia-y6m no. Grey jedi don't exist. There is the force (natural state or light side) and the dark (the corruption) you cannot be grey without rejecting the will of the force
Vehemently disagree, this understanding that the 'Grey' Jedi are somehow closer to the force than the True Jedi who live according to the will and commune within the force is some nonsense perpetuated by a fundamental misunderstanding of the Force.
@@xgekozx3305 The grey jedi are literally in the jedi orders library. Even in legends, a wookie jedi said that some see qui gon as a gray jedi. The force is not just the light either. You're just reciting jedi dogma.
@Ash-Winchester the grey jedi in that context are jedi who don't follow the will of the council but are still jedi, its one of two definitions. And no it isn't dogma, George himself has said the light is the natural state of the force and that it should be followed. Even other characters like Qui Gon, who is a maverick jedi has said he follows the light.
I think you should focus on the dark side as in the dark side isnt inheritely evil, the sith philosophy is, due to their selfish nature they make choices that hurt and destroy others, they also happen to use the dark side bit they let themselves be consumed by it instead of having it balanced
@@xgekozx3305 but it embodies anger and fear which arent inherently evil. It is dangerous and when you fall to the dark side you almost always will do evil things. I think lucas meant the dark side to be unnatural at first but after the mortis arc in the clone wars it changed. The son embodied darkness and daughter light. They were in balance but when the son fell to the dark side he became evil. The light side must always prevail and return darkness to its natural state. Just like eternal darkness is bad but shadow in a sunny day brings relief. I hope I summarized my view well, feel free to digrace if you want. (just so you know George Lucas worked on the clone wars so only it and the original six movies are canon to him)
The dark side IS evil, people tend to forget quite often when George Lucas described what light and dark are, they're not two halves, Light is everything in harmony, and Dark is detaching yourself from that everything to pursue a selfish path full of vices and toxic behaviour, which in turn corrupts you. The true light side as George Lucas himself described it, would then be composed of what the people see as "light and dark side of the force", but IN BALANCE, and the true dark side, is having both of that in disarray, detaching yourself from the harmonious natural cycle, and thus ruining your life and everything and everyone around you, and sure, you most certainly will lean towards more "darker" skills if you're like this, as well as leaning towards more "lighter" skills if you're in harmony, but being a "light side" person means you can use both kinds of power in harmony without losing yourself, and your connection to the cosmos in the proccess, while being a "dark side" person is the opposite.
The Sith philosophy might not be inherently evil but the Dark Side is. Anyone who turns to the Dark Side, regardless of their intentions, will become a monster. If you look at the backstories of many Sith, you see people who started out with noble goals but became twisted mockeries of their former selves.
It's Simple. Jedi and Sith are the same as Christian and Satanist. Obviously, the first is Good and the second is Evil. Even though some christans can be evil and satanists can be good.
" AKTUALLY DARTH CHILDMOSLETER WASN'T EVIL ! HE WAS JUST MISJUDGED BY THE HECKIN PROBLEMATIC JEDI ! " Acolyte will never be real star wars and Sith will always be evil
People forget the underlying message of Star Wars and the conflict between jedi and sith teachings is that neither side is 100% correct. The whole moral is that emotions and feelings are nwither inherently good nor bad. Luke as Grandmaster struck a balance between the two. Both the jedi and sith teachings were flawed as both took a hardline stance one way or the other.
Hear me out. The dark side is powerful and tempting so its very easy to abuse once you get a taste of it. Weird comparison but its like heroin addiction. Its gonna be hard to control yourself when you need your fix buts its possible. So i believe if one had a substantial amount of discipline, such as Starkiller, you can in fact be a Sith and still be a good person. But like i said, powerful and full of temptation so its easy to abuse. Hope that made any sense to yall.
Most Sith lords were evil no matter how you slice it or dice it everyone giving a choice at the end of the day a good number of them came from the jedi my favorite Sith lords were Darth Malgus and Darth Bane Darth Revan all time
He was a fun guy, but the Force only needed him to end the Jedi. Thats why the Son of the force was set on his path; to destroy both. Anakin was the chosen one, the bringer of death to both Jedi and Sith. Sadly Luke didnt understand this and nearly restarted the Jedi, something that pissed of the Force and made it go apeshit, granting great power to the order. The more power the Jedi got, the stronger the order became. The force doesnt kid around.
I mean i guess u can make the argument they didn't start out as evil, going back to the lore and the Jedi Schizm etc They were built as personified evil. The creator created evil characters, and then named them Sith
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The dark side was supposed to be used to protect themselves and their loved ones, while the light side was supposed to be used to serve only the force. And therefore each force user would have achieved balance within themselves. The dark side was not supposed to be used for galactic domination, and the light side was not supposed to be used to serve the senate. But the jedi exploited the light side to protect themselves and the republic while the sith never bothered to use the light side to serve the force Therefore both factions are wrong. the galaxy needs an order that is obsessed with balance, not tilted to one side of the force. What the galaxy needs is force users like the bendu and the mortis god (the father). not ashla or bogan
I think this would be a great reframing of the force. I didn’t think there was anything inherently wrong with their creed. I do see them as a counterbalance to the Jedi
The original sith species may not be entirely evil I would argue. The sith order? They’re power draws on anger, and malice to the point that Sith are incapable or at least thought to be be inept in using force healing techniques. A sith emperor ordered his apprentice to slaughter children. The order of the sith are evil, no discussion necessary. No need to watch the video any further.
also if go back to the start of the sith they have plenty of legitmate reasons to hate the jedi and distrust much of the galaxy given the jedi used to be a order called the jedaai who were mostly grey in terms of light and dark but eventually they became the lightside fanatics called the jedi which caused quite a bit of internal conflict such as witch hunts that led to full out wars when those who wished to continue the ways of the jeedai wanted to keep that path and the jedi branded them heretics and then eventually they banished a group of very psychologically scared from the war they were forced to partake in and powerful individuals to just roam the galaxy which they eventually took over and essentially enslaved the sith species/civilization and forced them to adopt their now more extreme views of the force including their grudge which would later a few centuries later would be further enforced when the jedi found the sith and invaded them to probably try to wipe out a civilzation unprovoked which was clearly for them being darksiders no other reasons given the jedi never touched for example the hutts and similar groups and the great hyperspace war and many other future conflicts were a retaliation to the jedi's attacks agaisnt them for example repetive extermination attempts backed by the republic so pretty understandable reasons as to why the sith civilization was so hostile towards the rest of the galaxy. though would say the ro2 and the dark brotherhood were both only sith in name and not followers of the true sith ways really only taking the worst parts of the sith and none of the good or semi good parts which is why both groups were only villainous and full of completely selfish individuals unlike the civilization sith who had some degree of unity such as blood ties especially prior to the involvement with the jedi where they didn't see the force as just a tool of war and destruction but were in many ways the darker mirror of the jedaai
The Jedi-Sith conflict is mischaracterized as light vs dark. Neither order ended up serving the balance, so both were dark within the Living Force. Notably, Anakin brought balance by destroying both orders so a new one could arise which valued the good qualities of both.
Except that’s not even true in legends the Jedi teachings were flawed and revamped by Luke leading to it becoming far more effective while the sith teaching continue being a cancer on the galaxy, and in canon the sith and Jedi divide continued even to the sequel trilogy that ended with Kylo ren and palpatine’s death
@@TheOneWhoShushes And how did Luke revamp the teachings in legends? Quite notably by not denying the natural and individual. Those were the good aspects of Sith teachings. I would point out it was emotion which both caused Vader's fall and catalyzed his redemption. The scattered remains of the Sith, notably, had chosen to not incorporate the good aspects of Jedi teaching, thus relegating them to the cancerous nature of the old Sith. What I am not saying is that Luke got that position from Sith teachings. He arrived there from his experiences and by listening to the Living Force, which naturally lead to that spot. But one cannot deny that many in the Clone Wars Jedi Council would consider Luke to be dangerously engaging with the dark side, if not already Sith. His use of Electric Judgement alone (a technique both drawing on emotion and offensive in nature) would provoke it.
No, that isn't even remotely true. The Jedi were at worst ignorant, but they still served the force in its natural state. They did not deserve to be genocided The sith twisted and corrupted it into the dark side, and used it for their own means. They are by no means the same as the jedi
@@Auron3991 I reject your statement, you pretend it’s an integration of the good aspect of the sith when that aspect ((individualism) is upheld far better by nearly everyone in the galaxy that opposed said tyrannical government spawned by the sith themselves)that allowed for the order to change. No, it was primarily Luke experience in dealing with the empire, it’s successors, the emperor, Exar Kuhn, etc. that reforged the Jedi order to be less dogmatic but still be willing to deal with the sith as it should be treated and aid the galaxy. To say it’s just the a combination of “good” aspect of the sith which is “individualism” (which this is false most beings exude this far better than the sith) is laughable. You know that the Jedi used to allow romance and still allow friendships but only refrained from them because of how many saw it was manipulated by the sith or allowed them to be seduced by the darkside to turn many of them? Turning natural emotions like love and loss into something toxic? Manipulating them by their fear? Yeah no that not a sith aspect either I don’t know where you got these notions to begin with? And even if that were true that would mean Jedi order could changed and redeemed while the sith continue being the blights that they are
To a bad start when the myth of "History is written by the Victors" troupe came up. No, no serious historian would agree. Otherwise the Stab in the Back Myth in Germany wouldn't exist. The Lost Cause dominating American Civil War pop culture for 100 years wouldn't be a problem in the USA today. Japan wouldn't have been allowed to write it's own post war history. Much of what we know about the Eastern front in WW2 comes from the Mouths of German officers who spent decades white washing their crimes and only in the 2000s have be turned the tide on the Wehraboos. History is NOT written by the victors. If it was collage kids wouldn't be protesting while waving an Arab Nationalist flag either. The whold notion of that myth has been very harmful. In reality it's actually those who are able to capture the imagination of the People. The best story tellers who even when a Historian says otherwise are still able to convince the masses. Basically history is written by everyone and it's in constant conflict.
though there’s flaws with the jedi there quite literally aren’t “good sith” even vectivus himself has 1. committed a murder to get into the order and 2. killed his master not to mentioned trained another evil sith. The dark side itself is literally a plague and are self serving
My interpretation is that Anakin/Vader brought balance to the force by destroying the Jedi and the Sith, he helped wipe out the Jedi order and then killed palpatine. By eliminating both imbalances it brought true balance.
The Sith Code Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Didn’t the Jedi/Republic outlaw the Sith religion? Imagine that, an order of peace and acceptance outlawing a religion because it does not align with their own. I believe this comes from the Revenge of the Sith novelisation
Your very argument offers problems, though. You admit yourself Darth Bane created the rule of two because the Sith kept in-fighting all the time. If they're so 'good', then why can't they work together without this issue? The point of the matter is the Sith way is not just about emotion, it's about selfishness....everything is 'me me me'. And if another Sith is higher, they become jealous and fight to be on top. They're so 'good', that you can't have a hand full of Sith in the same room without them trying to kill each other. George Lucas stated himself that yes....the Sith are the embodiment of evil, and the Jedi are meant to be good. But in the prequels, he shown that even a group as good as they are, can lose their way. They're supposed to follow the will of the force and they didn't....that's why in the end they ultimately fail. And with the Sith following the rule of 2, they became more powerful and cunning. That's how in the end, they won. But even then, it's short lived. The Sith never never do anything small. Once they have it, they're never satisfied, they always want more. So, in the end they still have to be stopped. Luke was supposed to turn the Jedi back to what they should have been. It was Disney that ruined that, because they had to replaced Luke for 'wahman power'. That's what screwed that up, it's also why I refuse to accept Disney as cannon.
Oh man! Great Video! it's nice to know that others also belive that the sith isn't inherently evil. No one is either fully good or fully evil, and also as Darth Sidious said: "Evil is a point of view." Right now I am reading the Darth Bane trilogy and I finished the second book in series yesterday, therefore I won't watch anymore because your talking about Bane, I don't want spoilers :) But yes totaly, Bane was a misunderstood man with an abusive father and who had no love the Republic nor the Jedi because: What did they ever do for him? One can be evil, but one can also just follow their goal, their dream and their ways. And according to the norm that the Jedi are good and the Sith are evil, it's like saying that it is evil to be a critique of system that they don't think works at all, like Bane and the Republic, like Palpatine with his abusive familily and the jedi order, like Count Dooku serving a corrupt senate. It's not wrong to believe something else, but it is true that one can do evil things to reach their goal, but this goes for both Jedi and Sith.
Do you think the Sith were really bad? Or just misunderstood?
If someone chooses to harm others for no reason other than personal gain, then they are evil.
You know, when the literal creator of the series describes the sith and the dark side as being like a cancer, they might be a little evil
That's like saying the literal cancer cells are evil, though. Cancer sucks, but it's only evil because it's growth causes our death. If it was sentient, it would probably say that it just wants to live.
G-canon, EU and Mouse canon are 3 different Star wars. Even novelizations of 6 episodes sometimes tell direct opposite to what Lucas said.
Have you ever heard about death of the author?
That ends up being pure conjecture when Lucus has failed to define what good and evil even consist of within the world he created. Being "good" apparently just amounts to Lucus personally liking it and "evil" amounting to not liking it because he failed to establish coherent definitions of morality to begin with.
@@verrave9022 he did establish those definitions, I don't remember the date of the conference but he actually explained what the good and the bad actually were in his universe in a speech. He defined the "Good side" or "light", as being in harmony, doesn't mean you cannot ever use dark side powers or have moments were you might decide that a direct and more forceful approach is in order to solve a thing, but in the end your morality and ethic will mantain you in check and just, you know, living life with its ups and downs, ideally leaning towards more "light side" powers if you're a force user, but that's just because you're in harmony and might find ways not to use the darker powers to solve something, even if sometimes it just comes down to it.
The "Evil" is being what for example Palpatine is, a power hungry man without regard for anything and anyone that isn't his ultimate dominance over the galaxy, playing the mask of a "good guy" to deceive and using whatever means possible, to ensure his personal gain's completion. Being like this naturally detaches you from your inner harmony and connection to the force, you become isolated and that's why your body starts to get damaged, corrupted and deformed, because you're straying yourself from the force, from the literal life force of the cosmos (doesn't matter good or evil, I mean the cosmos itself without definition), they're not stronger by using dark side powers, they might look or be strong because they trained a lot, which pays off, but they're actually getting weaker and more damaged overtime.
I love legends by the way, but aside from some lightning, force movements and martial arts Palpatine didn't do much in the films, later in legends everyone's power is escalated to DBZ proportions, but in the actual films, there wasn't that much, a good example is the battle between Mace Windu and Palpatine, Mace, even with the flaws of his character, still won fair and square by showing off that balance of being able to use both light and dark in his favor without losing himself, using Palpatine's own power against him, they were both fairly equal warriors, yet the one with the healthy connection to cosmos itself is the one who won the battle.
Someone can be wrong about their own creation.
For example, if someone who thinks murder is awesome creates a story, are we going to consider murder as good?
Darth Bane literally wiped out the entirety of his own faction and Jedi and kept their souls trapped for a millennium with that thought bomb used! He murked children and paved the road for the galaxy to be enslaved by palpatine.
The literal embodiment of the dark side of the force, the son, both legends and canon is depicted as an evil and a corrupter at heart.
Most darth side users view the light side of the force as weaker and tend to make fun of their weakness. There’s no contemplating both sides of the force for them. They strictly stick to the dark side of the force because they know it gives them more power.
Even plagueis was thoroughly severed by the will of the force from it, which was an act that had been reserved to the enslaving and tyrannical rakata species
Ok if Anakin fall was partly the Jedi but it was manipulated by the sith in general who used his emotions and obsession with padme to turn him!
Revan didn’t see the weakness of the republic, he saw that the republic as it is was too weak to deal with the bordering empire made by an ancient Sith Lord to subjugate it that was going to threaten it soon.
You didn’t even bring up kreia who straight up planned to take out the force which is the unifying life force of the galaxy and leave behind only those with the toughest of wills?! Which would have wiped out many!!
There is no both siding the sith and Jedi order one actively seeks to gorge itself on power while the other in principle wish only aid others
And the force was ey ok with it. Indeed, the force got so upset at the Jedi it wiped them out. The force put Anakin into this world to bring balance. It was sick and tired of the corrupt Jedi and their nonsense. Better to remove then all then destroy the sith with that same son. Luke Skywalker was just another clown, his role was to make Anakin, the Son of the force, complete his destruction of both the weak Sith and Jedi orders. Sadly Luke carried on for some time with the nonsense Jedi concept even though he knew it was hated by the Force.
@ no it wasn’t, for the vast majority of the sith attempt at gaining power it was undone time and time again by servants of the light side of force and the Jedi order. To a point where the sith had to cull their own numbers and tuck their tiny tails between their legs and hide while gaining power to usurp the will of the force. Until they manage to corrupt it and flip the tide to darkside and blinded the Jedi order who were already stagnant and stuck with the republic because their ancient enemy were hiding for 1000 years. Does that sound like the life field of the galaxy favoring the dark side to you? Did Anakin (the chosen one) having to be manipulated by a Sith Lord and still losing to someone far weaker than him and being crippled sound like force favoring sith? Please even in Disney the force ghost still around, still being able to teach them and empowering Rey to kill off the strongest Sith Lord left and be the last one standing. So your assessment is still wrong
@@GnosticAtheist and even if this were true, how would this disprove the sith were evil?
"The literal embodiment of the dark side of the force, the son, both legends and canon is depicted as an evil and a corrupter at heart."
right, i guess if we disregard his reaction to stabbing his sister who he should be happy about ending yet isn't. sure, totally evil and irredeemable.
"Even plagueis was thoroughly severed by the will of the force from it, which was an act that had been reserved to the enslaving and tyrannical rakata species"
that just didn't happen at all.
@@TheOneWhoShushes By the nature of the force. Evil and Good are subjective qualities. A despotic specie that does not feel negativity when suppressing the weak is not an evil specie to anyone within it, its a subjective analysis from species outside of it. The same applies to the force. The dark side is controlled by ego and strong emotion, it leads to conflict, destruction and supremacy. These things are viewed as "evil" by many, but not by all. On the other end, the Jedi are orthodox, close minded and arrogant in the eyes of many, but also "good" by those they have helped. But for the Force itself? The Force destroyed the Jedi, sending its child Anakin to destroy the Jedi first and then the Sith. It mattered not to the force how balance was reached, but to most it would be rather "evil".
Its all very zen.
Pain, Hunger for power, murder, betrayal, rage, hate, conquer, enslave. Yep sounds like the cornerstones of misunderstood good guys.
The first ever dark jedi were using the force to corrupt and enslave minds until the jedi stopped them
The first ever sith lords invaded the republic with the goal of conquest
The sith under Exar Kun, Revan and Vitiate all did too
Nihilus tried to consume the galaxy
Sion's goal was genocide
That is not a smear campagn. We lived it. We knew it
nope, nothing in the legends first and second jedi schism says anything about that being the cause. you just made that up.
yeah, because of what the jedi did to the first dark jedi they planted within them the seeds of hate that would make the sith a malignant parody of the jedi. speaking of which, the jedi committed genocide on the sith species. not the order that came about because of there actions mind you, but civilians that where just minding there own business.
nihilus become the way he is thanks to the jedi allowing the mandalorians to get as far as they did with out lending further support for the ones within there order who wanted to stop them before they caused more chaos. and making a certain jedi use certain mass shadow generator which made nihilus into who he is.
sion's goal was the annihilation of the jedi, don't make it sound like he wanted to destroy all life.
your little smear campaign is not going to work with proper context.
@lodesun Exile after the dark jedi committed terrible crimes does not make revenge acceptable, my friend.
Also, Malachor V was a result of Revan's actions. And it's very much established that Revan chose Malachor V because he already did fall to the dark side.
Considering Nihilus, Meetra also got a force wound. Yet she didn't decide to go eating planets.
As for Sion, I never said anything about wiping out all life. I said genocide. And killing all the jedi would count as genocide
@ when said terrible crimes are brought about thanks to the intolerance of the so called good guys, it does my boy.
he didn't choose malachor V because he "fall to the dark side" it was the only place where he could end the war.
the exile cut themselves off from the force when that happened, nihilus didn't. not the same.
hmm, okay then, let's test your morality. the jedi once wiped out the sith species in a genocide(non-combatants included) would you consider that a genocide?
and stop liking your own comment, you're not winning based on who likes you the most.
@@lodesun Intolerance to do what? Before the dark side was completely banned, the order was surprisingly agreeable. Meaning you had to do some real horrible stuff to get in trouble for it. When it comes to Malachor V, Revan specifically chose it to push the dark side on to his followers. It was a dark side nexus after all. The mandalorians attacked there on Revan terms, not their own terms. Just because Nihilus didn't cut himself off means he couldn't. It's about choice until the dark side made him unable to choose any longer. Kreia made this perfectly clear. And when it comes to genocide on the sith people by the jedi, according to who? Yes, they all died out eventually. But it wasn't implied the jedi slaughtered them. Given that they accepted full-blood recruits during swtor like Praven says enough. And the sith weren't wiped out by the republic after Sadow's invasion either. The went into hiding to the Dromund System or were slaughtered by Vitiate during his Nathema ritual.
And lastly, don't get so worked up on how I run my comments. It's not healthy to stress about trivial stuff like that. If I like my own comments, that's on me
@ no they weren't, first great schism buddy. don't talk if you don't know your lore.
nope, just a strategic advantage. and kreia never said anything like that.
nihilus became like that the moment the mass shadow did it's thing, and the effects where immediate severing his connection would destroy him.
look up the sith holocaust.
nice of you to expose yourself like that.
The Sith are bad. But it's a spectrum--sure, they're not all evil incarnate like Palpatine, but they're certainly not nice people either.
“The Jedi are flawed somewhat therefore the mass-murdering sadist faction aren’t so bad”
when said mass-murdering sadist are brought about from said somewhat flawed faction, you need to take a step back and really consider who is the problem.
On one extreme the Sith are prone to extreme violence and on the other extreme the Jedi are prone to such detachment and inaction as to actively let sentient beings suffer even when something can be done to stop it.
@ yup, and that is something that get's overlooked. both are parodies of what they should be.
@ I don’t remember palpatine ever being a Jedi
@ well aren't you perceptive.
The sith were not evil from a certain point of view
In practice, the Sith focus inward, on themselves. As they hone their focus, sharpen their power. They inevitably become selfish. Selfishness concentrated is evil.
and the jedi aren't ignorant, arrogant and in competent?
@@neaps8418 None of what you've described is tantamount to evil in the same extent than selfishness is, even when pushed to the extreme. Also, the Jedi have existed for literal millennia. Cherry piking key moments of history to make the order look bad is easy but for each story of the jedi at their worst, there are a hundred more of them at their best.
@yoannbelleville7763 Existed for a millennia and yet. Most of their existence has been nothing more then being subservient to the republic/not doing there actual job, having their own kin turn to the dark side nearly destroying them and being so stupid their entire order fell without realizing it
@@neaps8418 you’re just cherry, picking and ignoring context
@@neaps8418, let's say they are. Those flaws aren't quite as destructive as being selfish with enough power to make the death star seem like nothing. (Can't remember the exact quote, but it's what Darth Vader said regarding the death star in A New Hope.)
Tell you what: Tell me about 5 Sith most would consider good. That would do more than this video has done in persuading me.
You said not to let one sith lord represent in entire ideology. Ever heard of Darth Bane, Darth Nihilius, Exar Kun, Darth Malgus, Vitiate, revan when he was a sith. Are they all misunderstood to?
This guy is a fan of Disney canon. He’s got the same messed up worldview as Weinstein’s assistant.
excuse me but. did you even listen to this mans video. cause he brought both bane AND raven up?
Exar Kun at least to an extent was trapped into the path of becoming Dark Lord, though it involved many, many preventable mistakes, he didn't start out all bad. Bane at least starts out sympathetic before becoming a Sith.
Let us not forget that Jedi persecuted disabled war veteran in the form of General Grevious
I’m not sure if I’m reading this right, please tell me your not calling General Grevious disabled….
Let us not forget that General Grievous was a mass murderer.
@hivoltage6300 objection! His mind was altered to make him the monster Dooku needed.
@@khamul64 That makes Dooku evil, not the Jedi who tried to stop him.
@hivoltage6300 Dooku was a former Jedi himself. So..... #blameJedi still holds
I think it’s more like the jedi molded the sith, first the species and then the order, to become their evil counterparts, their greatest rivals one genocide at a time. The dark jedi conquering the sith, the republic lauching an extermination campaign on the sith worlds after the Great Hyperspace war, and then the successives empires. I can understand why the sith became more hateful and radical in each iteration of their empire. For them the jedi must have been like monsters, the creatures of dark scarry tales that want to snatch them at night…
I think Bane doomed the sith to faliure with the rule of two. The idea that by being the only two sith they would be more powerful was idiotic since the force was produced by life, and there wasn’t a limited pool to draw from. Also, even If it did, the sith weren’t the only dark side organization, so his plan was actually idiotic
To my understanding there was only one non-evil Sith, a guy named Darth Vectivus, all the others, be they tragic cases of those life treated badly, or the well-intentioned gone bad, in the end they became by and large pretty evil after going dark side, maybe to differing magnitudes yet Sith philosophy pushes an extreme even worse than the extreme the jedi code pushes. Excesive selflessness vs excessive selfishness. It just so happens that the force ain't exactly fond of the selfish side using the force, the power of life, to hurt living things through which the force flows. It does conjure an amusing image of Sith Lords making the force hit itself like some schoolyard bully, but the more accurate perspective is the dark side is a cancer.
For what I understand, even Darth Vectivus's story is questionable. I haven't red the books so I may be wrong, but it was apparently told to Jacen Solo by Lumiya in order to turn him to the darkside. Not exactly an unbiased source.
@@dreadrath Darth marr is a example of a good sith and many sith fully agreed and respected him both cause of his power but his genuine desire to protect his people which was one of the main reasons for the sith having issues with the Jedi and the Republic both had gravely wronged the sith multiple times during that time period so that incarnation of sith had legitimate reasons for some of their behavior unlike the ro2 and other later sith
I mean Sith aren't inherently evil but their philosophy does encourage evil behavior and thinking.
If they'd be channeling their love for others id agree more with the point you want to make but Sith are channeling their hatred.
Malgus killed his GF because he saw his love as a weakness. Also I'd want to say, malgus is one of the lesser evil sith lords in my opinion, yk what I mean if you follow his lore xD
But still, malgus was kinda evil and sith philosophy was a big part in that
I understand the point u wanna make tho. I don't think either that Sith are just evil for the sake of being evil but it's very hard to be a Sith without doing some pretty messed up stuff so yea :|
If I may reformulate your point, I'd say "The Dark side is not the evil side of the force" or smth
Yes they were. Stop the contrarian nonsense
If this man had it his way the galaxy would be burn to cinders and its survivors left to drown by the chaos spawned by their masters
Yoda denied his own dark side. The downfall of the so called justice warriors was inevitable.
Just gonna ignore the philosophical argument?
Only a sith deals in absolutes
The Sith only care about themselves and gaining more power.
The Sith are evil. There's no denying that fact!
Well, from my point of view the jedi are evil!
@@Saturn369-i1bSome siths are good.
Some jedis are evil.
To me, this is like someone bringing up how evil America was circa 1920s-1940s while ignoring the evils of nazi germany and the Soviet Union. This video is a garbage analysis and ignores nearly every evil we’ve seen the sith do throughout the franchise.
As the force said; here you go, he will bring balance to the force and his name is John Anakina! Look, the force dislikes "good" and "evil". It it is stagnant it dies. Darth Vader was the gift from the force to a fallen Jedi that refused to open their eyes.
Evil is required to remove good. Good is required to remove evil. Its just a cycle yo!
@@GnosticAtheist “ What do you wish to hear? That I once believed in the code of the Jedi? That I felt the call of the Sith, that perhaps, once, I held the galaxy by its THROAT? That for every good work I did, I brought equal HARM upon the galaxy? That PERHAPS, what the greatest of the Sith Lords knew of evil, they learned from ME!? What would it matter now? There is only so much comfort in knowing such things, and it is not who I am now.“
By Kreia on Kreia.
I think it's fairer to say the that the dark side isn't inherently evil. Both aspects of the force represent core aspects of human nature. But the Jedi and Sith are another matter. The Sith are ubiquitously evil by most people's standards. But some philosophers would consider the Jedi's ideology to be morally repulsive as well. I could easily see someone like Nietzsche make the same commentary about the Jedi as he would toward Christianity or religious asceticism in general. A nihilistic cult promoting slave morality, mediocrity, and life-denial upon its members and the wider galaxy. He wouldn't be entirely on board with the Sith either, but he might've had more sympathy for them since their philosophy at least understood and embraced the centrality of the will to power. Though power through domineering others is the lowest and most vulgar form of power, usually to compensate for a lack of inner power. But nonetheless, to completely deny/suppress aspects of one's own nature could be argued to be evil. I don't think anyone would reasonably argue that forcing a tiger to be a vegan would be a "good" thing to do, yet Jedi morality (and many real-life moral systems) argue that it's right to do essentially the same thing to humans. Suppress their most basic emotions, even love. Passion, self-interest, ambition, anger, the desire (and even greed) for power and agency, these are all a part of us whether we like it or not. A better moral system would be one that embraces and incorporates both "light" and "dark" sentiments, not just embrace one and suppress the other like the Jedi/Sith do.
Side-rant: History is NOT written by the victors. It is written by people who write, whether on the winning or losing side.
Excellent take
Oh, so It's this kind of channel. Good to know.
What Kind??
@@treystephens6166the kind that demonizes jedi and glorifies sith
@@treystephens6166the one that demonizes jedi and glorifies sith
The knd that demonizes jedi and glorifies sith
You are wrong...BOTH factions wasn`t the good ones. Just like in reality. Groups with power have interrests. They are willing to make sacrifices...like other peoples. The Jedi and the Sith did sacrifice soldiers (Clones and Stormtroopers) without a blink. The only difference is, that the Jedi did call themself the good ones. Even if they stole kids from the whole galaxy, to turn them into Jedi´s. There is no good or bad force...it´s only "the force"...and peoples, which misuse that power in one or an other way.
The Jedi didn’t steal kids they actively asked their parents if they would allow them to join their order. If the dark side isn’t evil why does it alway corrupt and weaken its users over time? Why does it feed off of negative emotions and reduce the user as a raging power hungry animal? Why is it always painted as tyrannical? Why do they always go too far like Anakin murdering Tusken children?
Hi I noticed that your video has a disturbing lack of Darth Nihilus . Because I'm sure the guy that eats plants would be considered extremely evil
The dark side IS evil, people tend to forget quite often when George Lucas described what light and dark are, they're not two halves, Light is everything in harmony, and Dark is detaching yourself from that everything to pursue a selfish path full of vices and toxic behaviour, which in turn corrupts you.
The true light side as George Lucas himself described it, would then be composed of what the people see as "light and dark side of the force", but IN BALANCE, and the true dark side, is having both of that in disarray, detaching yourself from the harmonious natural cycle, and thus ruining your life and everything and everyone around you, and sure, you most certainly will lean towards more "darker" skills if you're like this, as well as leaning towards more "lighter" skills if you're in harmony, but being a "light side" person means you can use both kinds of power in harmony without losing yourself, and your connection to the cosmos in the proccess, while being a "dark side" person is the opposite, it's just common sense and logic guys.
To tell an example, we could have a person mostly use light side powers because he's a nice guy, but when the situation calls it, use some dark side power here and there, trying not to twist his own morality in the proccess, and he sometimes might be in the wrong too, and others might view him as evil if his mistakes have severe consequences, while others will see him as good if his moments of triumph portray him as such a person, but the important thing is that you don't need to be a Jedi in this case, and you're still a good person even if you use dark sometimes to help you out, even if you commit mistakes or have times where your darker emotions get the better of you, you can fix things, you can atone for your mistakes and you can forgive others and yourself, move on and grow up in life.
And the opposite would perfectly be a power hungry politician who doesn't care about anything but his own power, playing with masks, people, everything, to ensure his ultimate dominance over the rest, he could even use light side powers to appear benevolent and deceive you, then stab you in the back....oh, am I describing the Sith?, am I describing Palpatine?, yes I am, the Sith ARE EVIL because they embrace this kind of attitude, if they're too impatient to attempt the "good guy who's actually evil route" it's their own fault, but they certainly can because they're force users; might not be too proficient in light side powers after falling so much out of touch with their inner harmony, but it doesn't block them from using those. They're evil because they choose to be, enforcing toxic behaviour for their own personal gain, without empathy for anything else, that IS evil, the worst kind, evil for the sake of evil.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Grey Jedi embody a closer relationship to the living force.
@EthanHeredia-y6m no. Grey jedi don't exist. There is the force (natural state or light side) and the dark (the corruption) you cannot be grey without rejecting the will of the force
No, not really true.
Vehemently disagree, this understanding that the 'Grey' Jedi are somehow closer to the force than the True Jedi who live according to the will and commune within the force is some nonsense perpetuated by a fundamental misunderstanding of the Force.
@@xgekozx3305 The grey jedi are literally in the jedi orders library. Even in legends, a wookie jedi said that some see qui gon as a gray jedi.
The force is not just the light either. You're just reciting jedi dogma.
@Ash-Winchester the grey jedi in that context are jedi who don't follow the will of the council but are still jedi, its one of two definitions.
And no it isn't dogma, George himself has said the light is the natural state of the force and that it should be followed. Even other characters like Qui Gon, who is a maverick jedi has said he follows the light.
I think you should focus on the dark side as in the dark side isnt inheritely evil, the sith philosophy is, due to their selfish nature they make choices that hurt and destroy others, they also happen to use the dark side bit they let themselves be consumed by it instead of having it balanced
Balanced which is uknowledging that it exists and is part of you but walking the path of the light.
@@adrianrenard1262 it is inherently evil that's why it's the dark side
ADRiAN, THERE WE GO !
@@xgekozx3305 but it embodies anger and fear which arent inherently evil. It is dangerous and when you fall to the dark side you almost always will do evil things. I think lucas meant the dark side to be unnatural at first but after the mortis arc in the clone wars it changed. The son embodied darkness and daughter light. They were in balance but when the son fell to the dark side he became evil. The light side must always prevail and return darkness to its natural state. Just like eternal darkness is bad but shadow in a sunny day brings relief. I hope I summarized my view well, feel free to digrace if you want. (just so you know George Lucas worked on the clone wars so only it and the original six movies are canon to him)
The dark side IS evil, people tend to forget quite often when George Lucas described what light and dark are, they're not two halves, Light is everything in harmony, and Dark is detaching yourself from that everything to pursue a selfish path full of vices and toxic behaviour, which in turn corrupts you.
The true light side as George Lucas himself described it, would then be composed of what the people see as "light and dark side of the force", but IN BALANCE, and the true dark side, is having both of that in disarray, detaching yourself from the harmonious natural cycle, and thus ruining your life and everything and everyone around you, and sure, you most certainly will lean towards more "darker" skills if you're like this, as well as leaning towards more "lighter" skills if you're in harmony, but being a "light side" person means you can use both kinds of power in harmony without losing yourself, and your connection to the cosmos in the proccess, while being a "dark side" person is the opposite.
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Oh really, would you like to live on a world occupied by the sith?
The Sith philosophy might not be inherently evil but the Dark Side is. Anyone who turns to the Dark Side, regardless of their intentions, will become a monster. If you look at the backstories of many Sith, you see people who started out with noble goals but became twisted mockeries of their former selves.
The Jedi Order produced some of the most notorious Sith in galactic history.
It's Simple. Jedi and Sith are the same as Christian and Satanist.
Obviously, the first is Good and the second is Evil. Even though some christans can be evil and satanists can be good.
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" AKTUALLY DARTH CHILDMOSLETER WASN'T EVIL ! HE WAS JUST MISJUDGED BY THE HECKIN PROBLEMATIC JEDI ! "
Acolyte will never be real star wars and Sith will always be evil
@@TheBigRaisi, how does Acolyte go against your claim?
@markcorbaley5313 The whole forced " jedi are le bad " was beyond retarded
2:29 can you stop repeating the same information over and over. Second minit of video and I donť know anything that makes them good.
"Well then you are lost!" - The Bearded Hello There Man
Well said. Justice for the Sith.
“Life is the enemy. Death is our solace”.
-Darth Marr
People forget the underlying message of Star Wars and the conflict between jedi and sith teachings is that neither side is 100% correct. The whole moral is that emotions and feelings are nwither inherently good nor bad. Luke as Grandmaster struck a balance between the two. Both the jedi and sith teachings were flawed as both took a hardline stance one way or the other.
There’s no underlying messaging Star Wars that says that the sith are misunderstood
@Skölly-b6h not the point of what i am trying to say. Try and make your repliea pertinent to the original comment.
Hear me out. The dark side is powerful and tempting so its very easy to abuse once you get a taste of it. Weird comparison but its like heroin addiction. Its gonna be hard to control yourself when you need your fix buts its possible. So i believe if one had a substantial amount of discipline, such as Starkiller, you can in fact be a Sith and still be a good person. But like i said, powerful and full of temptation so its easy to abuse. Hope that made any sense to yall.
Most Sith lords were evil no matter how you slice it or dice it everyone giving a choice at the end of the day a good number of them came from the jedi my favorite Sith lords were Darth Malgus and Darth Bane Darth Revan all time
I like Emperor Palpatine.
He was a fun guy, but the Force only needed him to end the Jedi. Thats why the Son of the force was set on his path; to destroy both. Anakin was the chosen one, the bringer of death to both Jedi and Sith. Sadly Luke didnt understand this and nearly restarted the Jedi, something that pissed of the Force and made it go apeshit, granting great power to the order. The more power the Jedi got, the stronger the order became.
The force doesnt kid around.
@ that’s Disney retcon??
And his propaganda of the dark side
They absolutely are evil. They are the ultimate selfishness.
I mean i guess u can make the argument they didn't start out as evil, going back to the lore and the Jedi Schizm etc
They were built as personified evil. The creator created evil characters, and then named them Sith
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The dark side was supposed to be used to protect themselves and their loved ones, while the light side was supposed to be used to serve only the force. And therefore each force user would have achieved balance within themselves.
The dark side was not supposed to be used for galactic domination, and the light side was not supposed to be used to serve the senate.
But the jedi exploited the light side to protect themselves and the republic while the sith never bothered to use the light side to serve the force
Therefore both factions are wrong.
the galaxy needs an order that is obsessed with balance, not tilted to one side of the force. What the galaxy needs is force users like the bendu and the mortis god (the father). not ashla or bogan
@GPatrick137 well look at that. A person who knows their history
I think this would be a great reframing of the force. I didn’t think there was anything inherently wrong with their creed. I do see them as a counterbalance to the Jedi
Darth Bane writing this.
The original sith species may not be entirely evil I would argue. The sith order? They’re power draws on anger, and malice to the point that Sith are incapable or at least thought to be be inept in using force healing techniques. A sith emperor ordered his apprentice to slaughter children. The order of the sith are evil, no discussion necessary. No need to watch the video any further.
also if go back to the start of the sith they have plenty of legitmate reasons to hate the jedi and distrust much of the galaxy given the jedi used to be a order called the jedaai who were mostly grey in terms of light and dark but eventually they became the lightside fanatics called the jedi which caused quite a bit of internal conflict such as witch hunts that led to full out wars when those who wished to continue the ways of the jeedai wanted to keep that path and the jedi branded them heretics
and then eventually they banished a group of very psychologically scared from the war they were forced to partake in and powerful individuals to just roam the galaxy which they eventually took over and essentially enslaved the sith species/civilization and forced them to adopt their now more extreme views of the force including their grudge which would later a few centuries later would be further enforced when the jedi found the sith and invaded them to probably try to wipe out a civilzation unprovoked which was clearly for them being darksiders no other reasons given the jedi never touched for example the hutts and similar groups and the great hyperspace war and many other future conflicts were a retaliation to the jedi's attacks agaisnt them for example repetive extermination attempts backed by the republic so pretty understandable reasons as to why the sith civilization was so hostile towards the rest of the galaxy.
though would say the ro2 and the dark brotherhood were both only sith in name and not followers of the true sith ways really only taking the worst parts of the sith and none of the good or semi good parts which is why both groups were only villainous and full of completely selfish individuals unlike the civilization sith who had some degree of unity such as blood ties especially prior to the involvement with the jedi where they didn't see the force as just a tool of war and destruction but were in many ways the darker mirror of the jedaai
have you even read the darth bane trilogy? that guy was evil, no doubt about it.
Isaiah 5:20-21
Sith is like the NCR
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The Jedi-Sith conflict is mischaracterized as light vs dark. Neither order ended up serving the balance, so both were dark within the Living Force. Notably, Anakin brought balance by destroying both orders so a new one could arise which valued the good qualities of both.
Except that’s not even true in legends the Jedi teachings were flawed and revamped by Luke leading to it becoming far more effective while the sith teaching continue being a cancer on the galaxy, and in canon the sith and Jedi divide continued even to the sequel trilogy that ended with Kylo ren and palpatine’s death
@@TheOneWhoShushes And how did Luke revamp the teachings in legends? Quite notably by not denying the natural and individual. Those were the good aspects of Sith teachings. I would point out it was emotion which both caused Vader's fall and catalyzed his redemption. The scattered remains of the Sith, notably, had chosen to not incorporate the good aspects of Jedi teaching, thus relegating them to the cancerous nature of the old Sith.
What I am not saying is that Luke got that position from Sith teachings. He arrived there from his experiences and by listening to the Living Force, which naturally lead to that spot. But one cannot deny that many in the Clone Wars Jedi Council would consider Luke to be dangerously engaging with the dark side, if not already Sith. His use of Electric Judgement alone (a technique both drawing on emotion and offensive in nature) would provoke it.
That is a really common misunderstanding of the lore. The light is the balance and the dark is a corruption.
No, that isn't even remotely true. The Jedi were at worst ignorant, but they still served the force in its natural state. They did not deserve to be genocided
The sith twisted and corrupted it into the dark side, and used it for their own means. They are by no means the same as the jedi
@@Auron3991 I reject your statement, you pretend it’s an integration of the good aspect of the sith when that aspect ((individualism) is upheld far better by nearly everyone in the galaxy that opposed said tyrannical government spawned by the sith themselves)that allowed for the order to change. No, it was primarily Luke experience in dealing with the empire, it’s successors, the emperor, Exar Kuhn, etc. that reforged the Jedi order to be less dogmatic but still be willing to deal with the sith as it should be treated and aid the galaxy. To say it’s just the a combination of “good” aspect of the sith which is “individualism” (which this is false most beings exude this far better than the sith) is laughable. You know that the Jedi used to allow romance and still allow friendships but only refrained from them because of how many saw it was manipulated by the sith or allowed them to be seduced by the darkside to turn many of them? Turning natural emotions like love and loss into something toxic? Manipulating them by their fear? Yeah no that not a sith aspect either I don’t know where you got these notions to begin with? And even if that were true that would mean Jedi order could changed and redeemed while the sith continue being the blights that they are
To a bad start when the myth of "History is written by the Victors" troupe came up. No, no serious historian would agree. Otherwise the Stab in the Back Myth in Germany wouldn't exist. The Lost Cause dominating American Civil War pop culture for 100 years wouldn't be a problem in the USA today. Japan wouldn't have been allowed to write it's own post war history. Much of what we know about the Eastern front in WW2 comes from the Mouths of German officers who spent decades white washing their crimes and only in the 2000s have be turned the tide on the Wehraboos.
History is NOT written by the victors. If it was collage kids wouldn't be protesting while waving an Arab Nationalist flag either.
The whold notion of that myth has been very harmful.
In reality it's actually those who are able to capture the imagination of the People. The best story tellers who even when a Historian says otherwise are still able to convince the masses. Basically history is written by everyone and it's in constant conflict.
though there’s flaws with the jedi there quite literally aren’t “good sith” even vectivus himself has 1. committed a murder to get into the order and 2. killed his master not to mentioned trained another evil sith. The dark side itself is literally a plague and are self serving
My interpretation is that Anakin/Vader brought balance to the force by destroying the Jedi and the Sith, he helped wipe out the Jedi order and then killed palpatine.
By eliminating both imbalances it brought true balance.
buddy. do you even read the Sith code? you thought the freaking Jedi code was bad you ain't see nothing
The Sith Code
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Didn’t the Jedi/Republic outlaw the Sith religion? Imagine that, an order of peace and acceptance outlawing a religion because it does not align with their own.
I believe this comes from the Revenge of the Sith novelisation
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Your very argument offers problems, though. You admit yourself Darth Bane created the rule of two because the Sith kept in-fighting all the time. If they're so 'good', then why can't they work together without this issue? The point of the matter is the Sith way is not just about emotion, it's about selfishness....everything is 'me me me'. And if another Sith is higher, they become jealous and fight to be on top. They're so 'good', that you can't have a hand full of Sith in the same room without them trying to kill each other. George Lucas stated himself that yes....the Sith are the embodiment of evil, and the Jedi are meant to be good.
But in the prequels, he shown that even a group as good as they are, can lose their way. They're supposed to follow the will of the force and they didn't....that's why in the end they ultimately fail. And with the Sith following the rule of 2, they became more powerful and cunning. That's how in the end, they won. But even then, it's short lived. The Sith never never do anything small. Once they have it, they're never satisfied, they always want more. So, in the end they still have to be stopped. Luke was supposed to turn the Jedi back to what they should have been. It was Disney that ruined that, because they had to replaced Luke for 'wahman power'. That's what screwed that up, it's also why I refuse to accept Disney as cannon.
Empire propaganda
they were simply stupid
I believe you
I pray this is satire.
the sith are evil thats the entire point
Oh man! Great Video! it's nice to know that others also belive that the sith isn't inherently evil. No one is either fully good or fully evil, and also as Darth Sidious said: "Evil is a point of view."
Right now I am reading the Darth Bane trilogy and I finished the second book in series yesterday, therefore I won't watch anymore because your talking about Bane, I don't want spoilers :)
But yes totaly, Bane was a misunderstood man with an abusive father and who had no love the Republic nor the Jedi because: What did they ever do for him?
One can be evil, but one can also just follow their goal, their dream and their ways. And according to the norm that the Jedi are good and the Sith are evil, it's like saying that it is evil to be a critique of system that they don't think works at all, like Bane and the Republic, like Palpatine with his abusive familily and the jedi order, like Count Dooku serving a corrupt senate. It's not wrong to believe something else, but it is true that one can do evil things to reach their goal, but this goes for both Jedi and Sith.
😂 Yeah the sith are evil
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