Dude, I love the Paladin class. It was my first one that I played and I've loved it's martial combat with the divine smite, its a nice hybrid. Anyway, I love the videos man and you do a great job
I did an arena thing online using a Redemption Paladin. Some fights were four-person free for all; some were a party if four against a monster or three. There would be different bets throughout. Maybe first to draw blood, first to kill, wunner, etc. It was hilarious how I would mess up bets by using Aura of the Guardian to prevent one low HP player from killing another knowing the turn order had that player next. Or I'd use Rebuke the Violent to take them both out. The GM thought it was hilarious how chaotic I could be for betting by turning the tide. And despite being a support subclass, I still did devastating damage.
"Broken Utterly Beyond Redemption" is how I describe Cleric's whole class, the subclasses add a bit of spiciness to the power. I love both Conquest and Redemption. One gives me the tools to talk before fight and just be a charisma 10 fallout New Vegas character and be a amazing tank, and the other lets me use my shield master feat to lock enemies down before they feel the cold and shivering power of my iron fisted smites.
cleric is not that good. Its spell list is limited. Its destroy undead will work only on low level undead, and when it comes to doing damage or casting damage spells its outclassed by everything else
my favourite is ancients especially with a aasimar you can be a flying tree... but everyone understimate it I love even his aura who allow to make magic damage lower
Oath of Redemption Paladin here! Unfortunately, my rolls are usually insufficient to convince people not to fight (doesn't help that our party is a party of demon hunters and demons in our setting really don't like being told what to do by holy servants of their enemies)... but due to my fighting style choice, I can use my reaction either to force disadvantage on our enemies when attacking others next to me, or channel divinity to force the enemies to eat their own crits. In the span of a very eventful fight, I nullified three critical hits by forcing disadvantage, and made an enemy barbarian take his own crit worth of radiant damage... all the while, I missed every attack I made, even with multi attack and advantage to hit. Never rolled above a 4... but I'm protecting my friends, so I'm alright with that! (Note: I can think of maybe two times in our several-month-long campaign where I actually used a smite... I have to wonder if I'm doing this right.)
Played a conquest paladin and my dm hates me. I used conquering presence and locked down most of the enemy we were fighting and he failed over 45 saving throws to break free. Also wrathful smite is just op
So when you conquered their lands how did you impose your will on them so the flame of hope was doused forever? Can't leave the children to do what they wish. They're yours now. The king better keep his hands off your land too, or you'll have to beat the snot out of him.
I have loved the Paladin class since they first came to D&D but since playing 5E have not had a game go long enough to get a Hexadin really going to try it out. I would love to play one into higher levels.
No shout out to Oathbreaker? Control your own Undead of Fiend minion for 24 hours, or 30ft Fear are both pretty sold. Also, taking 1 lvl Hexblade and going pure Charisma means Aura of Hate gives lots of extra dmg.....just make sure if you're fighting a bunch of Undead or Fiends you move away from your party since its your fault those Undead and Fiends will be hitting harder. Double edge swords are fun!
Crown is quite likely the worst of the paladin subclasses. But it's still a paladin, so... A tier. Vengeance, Conquest, Oath Breaker, Ancients, and arguably Devotion and Redemption... S tier. Honestly, Watchers and Glory and pretty decent too. Crown... sub par compared to the others.
I wanna try a paladin for 5e. I have never played one tho. The first option seems cool for a more bloodthirsty kinda person while the second sounds like a whole ass anime character Lmao
Where are Watchers and Ancients though? Watchers can turn your entire party from mediocre init to winning init and possibly killing several enemies before they act.
I agree with watchers. Ancients is actually not that good. Taking half damage from spells comes up a lot less often than you would think. Just as often, the enemies will have no spell casters, but instead something with a breath weapon or similar, that isn't a spell. Or if they do have a spellcaster, they will cast something that doesn't deal damage, like web, or blindness/deafness etc. If you look at something like the Lich, you will see, it has a touch attack, that is not a spell, less than 1/4 of its' spells are actually damage spells, and most of those damage spells are low level. Ancients do however have a very powerful spell in plant growth, so not the worst either.
@@peterrasmussen4428 I don’t know end game ancients are unlikable with a cheat death option and a powerful transformation. Also feel super strong to play stacking other defensive fighting techniques and auras. My DM got so mad at me cause I just kept reducing, blocking, and healing damage. Super strong.
@@pnutbteronbwlz9799 I don't value cheat death at high level that highly, many monsters are doing 5 attacks, and in essense you get to negate one of them once per day. If you really want that effect you can also just cast death ward. The transformation is super powerful though. I think most of what you are seeing there is the power of the paladin. But hey, I am happy you were having a good time playing it.
I have play a paladin oath of rédemption and i play pacific. Never hit my opponent or never be agressiv. when i deal damage is always a accident or rebuke 😂.
Another notable thing about oath of vengeance, you get access to HASTE as one of your oath spells! And with the spell "Find Steed" you can not only cast that haste on yourself, but ALSO your steed simultaneously! (as any single target spell you cast on yourself can also be applied to your steed) giving you, at base, a 120ft move speed with a warhorse, +2 to AC and at the level, 3 weapon attacks per turn (potentially all) at advantage! As well as up to 2 attacks from your steed (depending on how your DM rules it, tho with the haste in effect for it it should get a minimum of 1 additional haste-action, as described in the haste spell~ (which also means you could be moving up to 240-360ft per round if your steed used all it's actions to move~))
Not including Oath of the Watcher? Don't rate initiative buff and counterspell as highly as others? Also Vengeance with Fey touched is now less strong. As you can get your misty step and bonus d6 that way.
You get this at level 3: Vow of Enmity. As a bonus action, you can utter a vow of enmity against a creature you can see within 10 feet of you, using your Channel Divinity. You gain advantage on attack rolls against the creature for 1 minute or until it drops to 0 hit points or falls unconscious. It's only 1 target, but you always use it on the biggest bad in the room. Uses channel divinity, so you can use once/short rest.
I have nothing published that “official” content, but as a 3rd party publisher I’ve created about 10 Compendiums so far of usually 60 pages each. The latest one is the Tome of Twilight
@@DiegoDeLuna23 a branding smite 2nd level holy smite critical hit with a greatsword rolled near max damage. With scourge aasimar ability. Plus 4 strength, 8d8 4d6 plus 5 radiant (vulnerable so doubled) plus 4d6+4 magical slashing,
I mean sure you can deal damage, but what else can you... oh yeah, great tanking. Oh, and can be the party face. Oh, and best burst healing of any class. Oh, and decent utility. But besides THAT what use are you?
Redemption as a top 3? Insane. Rebuke the violent is garbage. Remember, it can only rebuke one instance of damage. So, against most things, it does mediocre damage. It's only actually good against casters because everything else does the damage through multi attack or area hits. But you're only rebuking one damage.
Typical BS. Focusing purely on what it can do and not on what it must do. The tenants aren't just for flavor. You have to make decisions you might not want to as a player with all of those. If you're not doing it you can't stay those oaths. Also Vengance at least has to try to pay for and work on fixing what the bad guy managed to accomplish. So good luck. I'll just be over here with my magic resisting happy boy.
Meh, there is a lot of room for interpretation, and therefor flexibility. The main thing about Vengeance is seeking to destroy the BBEG, which you're going to probably do anyway. And "I must help those harmed by their misdeeds." can come in a lot of forms. It doesn't mean you personally have to rebuild everything they destroyed. Ancients is top tier though, I'll give you that.
@garyco766 There is flexibility, but people tend to exploit it too much. I agree you might not be rebuilding every destroyed house, but most would flat out ignore the tenet. Which is called restitution. So its not like saying "I'll stab that guy so hard" covers it.
@TheOriginalKZero But by the nature of the oath, a lot of that is post game narration. Your primary duty is to stop the bad guy, as is made obvious by the fact that you hold yourself responsible for the harm that guy does. Once the BBEG is dead, the campaign is often over. At that point, you can narrate that your character spends the next x years rebulding the community, providing for the sick and the poor, etc. You go fullfill all of your non-combat duties that you now have time for since evil is defeated. Which isn't to say you can't roleplay some of that in the course of the campaign, but your focus during the campaign is pursuing the bad guy.
@garyco766 Most good campaigns aren't so cut and dry as to hand you one clear bad guy target the whole time. Also if a DM is giving you downtime plays into it all. It is all very campaign dependent, and we're only focusing on one tenet of one oath, but it doesn't change that folks need to be held to the oaths in general, as it is an intended part of the balance of the class.
You haven’t seen monk subclasses that don’t even go well with what the class wants to do read the way of four elects monk and tell me it’s over powered
@@freddylisy10 - Monks only exist, because Dave Arneson wanted to play Kane from Kung Fu one day, while adventuring in Blackmoor. They are officially the lamest class in D&D, and always have been.
Except that Vengeance is from the PHB, and is still the best subclass for Paladin. Ancients, another top tier choice is also PHB. Oathbreaker is one of the other strongest, and it's from the DMG. Conquest, another top one is from Xanathar's, which is the first splat book with subclasses. Those are arguably the 4 best paladin subclasses, and 3 are from the original books, and 1 is from the first splat book. Doesn't exactly support your argument. I could make similar arguments for other classes, like Rogue (arcane trickster), Ranger (gloom), Fighter (samurai, battlemaster), Monk (open hand) , Warlock (hexblade), Sorcerer (divine soul, draconic), and Druid (moon). Sure, there are some pretty good subclasses released in later books, but some of the best are from the first books.
@@fleetcenturion Monks are a bit of a stretch for medieval fantasy, but not a big stretch. While it feels a little out of place, it's feels less out of place than tech does (artificer). I agree than monk has generally always been underpowered. Still, that's all a red-herring; his point still stands that the new subclasses for monk have been consistently even worse than the PHB ones.
@@garyco766 - You've obviously never played anything but 5th Edition. You are not making any arguments, and your opinions are irrelevant. Artificers also should not exist, nor should blood hunters. Thanks for playing.
Dude, I love the Paladin class. It was my first one that I played and I've loved it's martial combat with the divine smite, its a nice hybrid. Anyway, I love the videos man and you do a great job
Thanks!
it was or should i say is my first class i played too.
I did an arena thing online using a Redemption Paladin. Some fights were four-person free for all; some were a party if four against a monster or three. There would be different bets throughout. Maybe first to draw blood, first to kill, wunner, etc. It was hilarious how I would mess up bets by using Aura of the Guardian to prevent one low HP player from killing another knowing the turn order had that player next. Or I'd use Rebuke the Violent to take them both out. The GM thought it was hilarious how chaotic I could be for betting by turning the tide. And despite being a support subclass, I still did devastating damage.
Rebuke the Violent can't trigger when enemies attack you, only other allies within range.
It was awesome when that 76 damage from a boss smack one of my allies, got returned back into 76 radiant damage as a reaction :D
And it's funny to try and talk other players into taking one for the team for you.
@@angelahazellief7924 i one shot a beholder this way. granted dm was using crit failed saves means double damage.
"Broken Utterly Beyond Redemption" is how I describe Cleric's whole class, the subclasses add a bit of spiciness to the power.
I love both Conquest and Redemption. One gives me the tools to talk before fight and just be a charisma 10 fallout New Vegas character and be a amazing tank, and the other lets me use my shield master feat to lock enemies down before they feel the cold and shivering power of my iron fisted smites.
cleric is not that good. Its spell list is limited. Its destroy undead will work only on low level undead, and when it comes to doing damage or casting damage spells its outclassed by everything else
@@OGTwist spirit guardians, spiritual weapon, inflict wounds
@@wholestick5986 2 of those spells are worse options than anything anyone else can do above level like 6
@@OGTwistAnd most games don’t even reach level 6, what’s your point?
@@MayHugger if your game cannot go to level 6 or higher, that seems like an issue you are facing, not an issue im facing
my favourite is ancients especially with a aasimar you can be a flying tree... but everyone understimate it I love even his aura who allow to make magic damage lower
Oath of Redemption Paladin here! Unfortunately, my rolls are usually insufficient to convince people not to fight (doesn't help that our party is a party of demon hunters and demons in our setting really don't like being told what to do by holy servants of their enemies)... but due to my fighting style choice, I can use my reaction either to force disadvantage on our enemies when attacking others next to me, or channel divinity to force the enemies to eat their own crits. In the span of a very eventful fight, I nullified three critical hits by forcing disadvantage, and made an enemy barbarian take his own crit worth of radiant damage... all the while, I missed every attack I made, even with multi attack and advantage to hit. Never rolled above a 4... but I'm protecting my friends, so I'm alright with that! (Note: I can think of maybe two times in our several-month-long campaign where I actually used a smite... I have to wonder if I'm doing this right.)
Zero hits with all that is painful
Oath of the Ancients is also pretty great, with its spell-resist aura.
I was honestly expecting oath of the ancients
Played a conquest paladin and my dm hates me. I used conquering presence and locked down most of the enemy we were fighting and he failed over 45 saving throws to break free. Also wrathful smite is just op
So when you conquered their lands how did you impose your will on them so the flame of hope was doused forever? Can't leave the children to do what they wish. They're yours now. The king better keep his hands off your land too, or you'll have to beat the snot out of him.
@@TheOriginalKZero unfortunately that character ended up dying because we tried to take on both final bosses at the same time
@@cjthenarhwalking1378 well that's unfortunate. It happens though, best of luck in the future.
@@TheOriginalKZero yeah but we did kill both bosses though
Can you talk about a campaign where you wake up and have just been resurrected by an evil nexromancer?
I have loved the Paladin class since they first came to D&D but since playing 5E have not had a game go long enough to get a Hexadin really going to try it out. I would love to play one into higher levels.
it's so wierd to see you in an actual video and not in a short
haha well hopefully it's still fun ^^
Oath of vengeance .. 101 points of damage on a crit to a death tyrant on round 2 ... it was a short battle.
No shout out to Oathbreaker? Control your own Undead of Fiend minion for 24 hours, or 30ft Fear are both pretty sold. Also, taking 1 lvl Hexblade and going pure Charisma means Aura of Hate gives lots of extra dmg.....just make sure if you're fighting a bunch of Undead or Fiends you move away from your party since its your fault those Undead and Fiends will be hitting harder. Double edge swords are fun!
Thanks dude! Excellent video
Now i want to do a duo of a Peace Cleric and a Redemption Paladin
Surprised path of crown isn't here. You can make some insane tanks with it
Crown is quite likely the worst of the paladin subclasses. But it's still a paladin, so... A tier. Vengeance, Conquest, Oath Breaker, Ancients, and arguably Devotion and Redemption... S tier. Honestly, Watchers and Glory and pretty decent too. Crown... sub par compared to the others.
Oath of Valkyries do be funny too
Special shout-out to Oath of the Ancients because haha that mage is now in pain.
I wanna try a paladin for 5e. I have never played one tho. The first option seems cool for a more bloodthirsty kinda person while the second sounds like a whole ass anime character Lmao
I read the title correctly and still thought Hexblade's gotta be number 1. LOL
Where are Watchers and Ancients though? Watchers can turn your entire party from mediocre init to winning init and possibly killing several enemies before they act.
I freaking love the watchers
I agree with watchers.
Ancients is actually not that good. Taking half damage from spells comes up a lot less often than you would think. Just as often, the enemies will have no spell casters, but instead something with a breath weapon or similar, that isn't a spell. Or if they do have a spellcaster, they will cast something that doesn't deal damage, like web, or blindness/deafness etc.
If you look at something like the Lich, you will see, it has a touch attack, that is not a spell, less than 1/4 of its' spells are actually damage spells, and most of those damage spells are low level.
Ancients do however have a very powerful spell in plant growth, so not the worst either.
@@peterrasmussen4428 I don’t know end game ancients are unlikable with a cheat death option and a powerful transformation. Also feel super strong to play stacking other defensive fighting techniques and auras. My DM got so mad at me cause I just kept reducing, blocking, and healing damage. Super strong.
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I don't value cheat death at high level that highly, many monsters are doing 5 attacks, and in essense you get to negate one of them once per day. If you really want that effect you can also just cast death ward.
The transformation is super powerful though.
I think most of what you are seeing there is the power of the paladin. But hey, I am happy you were having a good time playing it.
I have play a paladin oath of rédemption and i play pacific. Never hit my opponent or never be agressiv. when i deal damage is always a accident or rebuke 😂.
Another notable thing about oath of vengeance, you get access to HASTE as one of your oath spells! And with the spell "Find Steed" you can not only cast that haste on yourself, but ALSO your steed simultaneously! (as any single target spell you cast on yourself can also be applied to your steed) giving you, at base, a 120ft move speed with a warhorse, +2 to AC and at the level, 3 weapon attacks per turn (potentially all) at advantage! As well as up to 2 attacks from your steed (depending on how your DM rules it, tho with the haste in effect for it it should get a minimum of 1 additional haste-action, as described in the haste spell~ (which also means you could be moving up to 240-360ft per round if your steed used all it's actions to move~))
Not including Oath of the Watcher? Don't rate initiative buff and counterspell as highly as others? Also Vengeance with Fey touched is now less strong. As you can get your misty step and bonus d6 that way.
Oath of redemption multi divine soul here. i make the life cleric look like a joke as i can protect the party and heal the party.
Oath of the ancients is busted for tanking and protecting Allies
Redemption is broken beyond itself? :thonking:
What’s the best Paladin Oath for Half Orc paladins?
Vengeance
How do you get advantage against people when you're an oath of vengeance paladin? Cause that's what I play and I don't have that ability?
You get this at level 3:
Vow of Enmity. As a bonus action, you can utter a vow of enmity against a creature you can see within 10 feet of you, using your Channel Divinity. You gain advantage on attack rolls against the creature for 1 minute or until it drops to 0 hit points or falls unconscious.
It's only 1 target, but you always use it on the biggest bad in the room. Uses channel divinity, so you can use once/short rest.
hey i'd like to ask what content/sourcebooks have you officialy published for DnD ?
I have nothing published that “official” content, but as a 3rd party publisher I’ve created about 10 Compendiums so far of usually 60 pages each. The latest one is the Tome of Twilight
I’m an eladrin monk in a curse of straad campaign
Any advise
Mimic. A lot of mimic
Re-roll as not-a-monk.
I paladin/cleric main thought it's 11 paladin and 9 cleric
I prefer conquest, vengeance, and outbreak
I did 126 damage to a vampire with a level 5 vengeance paladin scourge aasimar in one attack
In one single attack or a turn? Because what the hell did you hit him with to get 126 damage?! Even with a crit that craaaazy.
@@DiegoDeLuna23 a branding smite 2nd level holy smite critical hit with a greatsword rolled near max damage. With scourge aasimar ability. Plus 4 strength,
8d8 4d6 plus 5 radiant (vulnerable so doubled) plus 4d6+4 magical slashing,
I was an oath of vengeance paladin and I just destroyed everything it's busted af
I mean sure you can deal damage, but what else can you... oh yeah, great tanking. Oh, and can be the party face. Oh, and best burst healing of any class. Oh, and decent utility. But besides THAT what use are you?
I hate it when the level 2 paladin one-shots a wraith with a crit and divine smite.
Redemption as a top 3? Insane. Rebuke the violent is garbage. Remember, it can only rebuke one instance of damage. So, against most things, it does mediocre damage. It's only actually good against casters because everything else does the damage through multi attack or area hits. But you're only rebuking one damage.
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ehh vengeance isn't that strong tbh
Typical BS. Focusing purely on what it can do and not on what it must do. The tenants aren't just for flavor. You have to make decisions you might not want to as a player with all of those. If you're not doing it you can't stay those oaths.
Also Vengance at least has to try to pay for and work on fixing what the bad guy managed to accomplish. So good luck. I'll just be over here with my magic resisting happy boy.
Meh, there is a lot of room for interpretation, and therefor flexibility. The main thing about Vengeance is seeking to destroy the BBEG, which you're going to probably do anyway. And "I must help those harmed by their misdeeds." can come in a lot of forms. It doesn't mean you personally have to rebuild everything they destroyed. Ancients is top tier though, I'll give you that.
@garyco766 There is flexibility, but people tend to exploit it too much. I agree you might not be rebuilding every destroyed house, but most would flat out ignore the tenet. Which is called restitution. So its not like saying "I'll stab that guy so hard" covers it.
@TheOriginalKZero But by the nature of the oath, a lot of that is post game narration. Your primary duty is to stop the bad guy, as is made obvious by the fact that you hold yourself responsible for the harm that guy does. Once the BBEG is dead, the campaign is often over. At that point, you can narrate that your character spends the next x years rebulding the community, providing for the sick and the poor, etc. You go fullfill all of your non-combat duties that you now have time for since evil is defeated. Which isn't to say you can't roleplay some of that in the course of the campaign, but your focus during the campaign is pursuing the bad guy.
@garyco766 Most good campaigns aren't so cut and dry as to hand you one clear bad guy target the whole time. Also if a DM is giving you downtime plays into it all.
It is all very campaign dependent, and we're only focusing on one tenet of one oath, but it doesn't change that folks need to be held to the oaths in general, as it is an intended part of the balance of the class.
Vengeance is the bad guy
_All_ subclasses are overpowered, and the newer they are, the more OP they become-- which is why they should never have existed in the first place.
You haven’t seen monk subclasses that don’t even go well with what the class wants to do read the way of four elects monk and tell me it’s over powered
@@freddylisy10 - Monks only exist, because Dave Arneson wanted to play Kane from Kung Fu one day, while adventuring in Blackmoor. They are officially the lamest class in D&D, and always have been.
Except that Vengeance is from the PHB, and is still the best subclass for Paladin. Ancients, another top tier choice is also PHB. Oathbreaker is one of the other strongest, and it's from the DMG. Conquest, another top one is from Xanathar's, which is the first splat book with subclasses. Those are arguably the 4 best paladin subclasses, and 3 are from the original books, and 1 is from the first splat book. Doesn't exactly support your argument. I could make similar arguments for other classes, like Rogue (arcane trickster), Ranger (gloom), Fighter (samurai, battlemaster), Monk (open hand) , Warlock (hexblade), Sorcerer (divine soul, draconic), and Druid (moon). Sure, there are some pretty good subclasses released in later books, but some of the best are from the first books.
@@fleetcenturion Monks are a bit of a stretch for medieval fantasy, but not a big stretch. While it feels a little out of place, it's feels less out of place than tech does (artificer). I agree than monk has generally always been underpowered. Still, that's all a red-herring; his point still stands that the new subclasses for monk have been consistently even worse than the PHB ones.
@@garyco766 - You've obviously never played anything but 5th Edition. You are not making any arguments, and your opinions are irrelevant.
Artificers also should not exist, nor should blood hunters. Thanks for playing.
The title says the strongest subclass then you go off on the worst three subclasses. Me doth think you are confused.