Having children outside of marriage is not considered progressive by the Christian /Catholic church. Many religions, regardless of their origin, will agree on this. These children will grow up feeling confused and depressed. They need love from both a father and a mother. The solution is to unlearn the so-called "progressive" Western mindset.
to answer the question about romantic love it solely depends on if the person believe in it. if that person who made that reddit comment doesn't believe it then they never will. i do believe it exists but is very rare. love isn't just all the happy things, it does take work and effort. there is more after the 'happily ever after' but i saw it with my grandparents for sure. their love story is so romantic and they were married for almost 70 years before my grandfather passed.
Registered cohabitation where partners can separate more easily will result in more children from broken homes with a larger burden on the government and taxpayers. Possibly even on grandparents. Could also result in higher crime rates as the children age. The solution? Government-implemented (built) affordable family housing and a complete overhaul of popular culture that prioritizes marriage and the husband-wife-children family unit over individual pursuits and attempting to emulate celebrity and hedonistic lifestyles. Where popular culture goes the nation goes. Unless Korea wants to deal with all the issues that other OECD countries deal with from depending on immigrants to bolster its workforce, the time to act was yesterday.
The answer is in history. What values built Korea into what she is now after Japanese colonization and Korean war are the same values that will sustain her, not Western values which are defeating the West.
This means more opportunities for immigrants who want to work and being their families from underdeveloped nations to these countries which is a good opportunity for Indians Africans people from Mexico Nigeria etc.🤗
@@genuinehuman1 Was that sarcasm or do you really think this is good? Thats how you ruin nations and east asians know it. Instead of importing poor people from other nations, who dont mind being exploited for to little money, our politicians need to improve life for the native people to encourage them to create families. Its a giant scam game you know. The leaders of poor, overpopulated nations dont do anything for their people, so their people try to go somewhere else and the target nations dont do anything either, so they can get cheap or almost slave labor and ruin their own people. We in Europe like east asian migrants, cause they are decent, respectful and value education. We will treat them right if they treat us right...but we dont need arabs or africans, because our experiences with them are awful mostly. Our mentalities dont match. One reasons their nations suck, is not the past only but their mentality. Everything is messy and shifty. East asia is smart to not let them in yet, cause they see whats happening here. Crime rate goes up, school quality lowers, noise and filth goes up. Even the few arab and african migrants who are decent say, that we have to stop letting everyone in, cause these people have no decency or respect. Loud, messy, uneducated, radical, violent....we have enough. The culture clash between them and Koreans is way bigger too. Just that Korea will kick them out if they behave like they do here. And we are getting ready to vote in a way that will set these people straight again too. Its enough. I have a korean colleague and a friend from Mongolia, who are both sweet people and they both say, the only thing they dont like about my country are the arabs and africans and that they ruin the experience here.
@genuinehuman1 this is honestly the worst take ever. Its like seeing the disgrace of someone else and being like: "yipi! An opportunity to make money!" Learn empathy
Seriously? i am enjoying this decrease in population if it is controlled... Nowadays most government doesn't care and that would be chaos for next generations.
Private Equity and collusion through shared software causes most of the increase. We need high taxes on property being held off the market. And the government needs to develop new legal theories to address the new software.
When I was in South Korea in the early 1990’s there were tv commercials pleading with couples to have FEWER children due to South Korea’s overpopulation explosion! Picture this: There’s a map of South Korea on the floor and there are hundreds of people desperately trying to find a space to stand within the borders of the map. They are frantic, trying so hard to be able to stand within the lines of the map. It’s like a desperate, frantic version of playing ‘Musical Chairs.’ Such a small space and too many people! So overcrowded! That’s what the tv commercials showed when I was there three times in the early 1990’s. 1990 - 1992 to be exact. They were really discouraging couples from having kids back then!
Just like in India and China. Nowadays in India couples hesitate to marry and fertility rate is already at replacement level. Just a decade ago it was above that
@@feliciaf8 No.. India's tfr is at replacement level. It has been decreasing for the past decades and in the next decade it's expected to fall below tfr. Right now it's something around 2.11.
Because being broke and under constant pressure is stressful and unpleasant. Who would willingly make a bad situation worse for themselves? It's pretty obvious really.
@otto197 point taken, but being broke in East Asia is a different kettle of fish altogether. It is extremely stressful, not least because you no longer have a village full of extended family to help raise the child.
@otto197where is her tribe then? Are they rich and affluent? Most likely not. Children are a massive monetary burden one has to afford. One way or another. If you choose to have children without the means to support them and yourselves, go ahead. But don't expect a life full of riches.
@otto197 Big logic mistake here, mate. There is a huge difference in what kids are in the third world countries and what they are in developed countries. In short in some african country kid is basically a resource, you need him to work asap and help the family. As such you give him birth , cloth him, feed him, done. As such it's in your interests to get a lot of babies as fast as possible. In developed countries a kid is a project that requires immense resources, suddenly you can't just cloth him in rags, he needs good clothes, he needs good food, he needs a good(and mostly expensive) education. And there are bunch of other expenses that come with living in developed country(bills, bills bills bills). It's an immense pressure on both parents and kids when money are tight, so obviously people dont wanna go through it. To sum it up in a poor African country a kid is a resource, in Korea a kid is a project.
Its the unhinged education system, the workforce, that sells women the lie they need to have a career too, even when our psyche and biology made us naturally more homey. Its the lack of space (or the crazy prices for it), the lack of empathy etc. ...but I wont live my life in fear and worry. Fear kills everything. Spirituality tells us to not live in fear and its totally true...things always turn around when I trusted and overcame fears. Fear is the weapon of evil. It divides and cripples.
I think it all boils down to money. If I’m still worried about going homeless, how in the hell can I think of romance and making babies? Give more people livable wages and maybe they’d give kids a second thought.
Ikr here in vancouver an apartment is 1 million, dont get me started on houses, so yea how am i supposed to have a kid, mind you everyone still expects men to provide for a family and call you a loser if you cant...
The real problem isn't the declining population, it's that a capitalist economy can't handle a declining population. Everyone is focused on changing society to fit a bad economic system rather than changing the economy to adapt to society.
Exactly! The Capitalist society (as it is today) will totally collapse with a decline in population (Loss of tax revenue, loss of money circulating/changing hands, less businesses, etc)... Our owners simply does not want to lose money because of declining population and less taxpapyers...
And what economy can support declining population where one adult has to support two elderly and a child and some sick people? Imaginary communist never-land?
There is no such thing as capitalism. It is a Marxist term. There is only freedom or slavery. That is the only two systems there is for humans to organize society. Population collapse will introduce slavery to humanity.
It’s not simply “lack of money”, it’s lack of affordable housing, healthcare, and higher education. When the cost of living is so high, and the average person is just treading water. As in: people make more money than ever before, but landlords and market monopolies have crushed consumers, and governments are led by those financially invested in the current system.
Korean women already stated they want the 4b movement why are they crying about population decline. You wanted it now you got it. Korean men are now passport bros. Leave these women behind and focus on yourself. Nothing will change until women change. Until then enjoy your economy collapse. Men built society and if women don’t want to play along they can end it
Bs you lie! Korea has national health care. Everyone pays 3.3% tax. So stop trying to compare your American excuses that are an Oceans difference to koreas.
Young people in their 20’s and early 30’s can’t afford to marry, have apartments/houses and to have kids. There is too much pressure in the society to succeed. Only those who come from families who are well off can do all these because they can hire housekeepers and nannys unless the grandparents are willing to help out. Also, people want to find love and want to find partners who have the same mindset for their lives and goals.
@@pikapi6993 In 3rd world countries, children don't get an education. They go straight to work supporting the family. Instead of being a financial liability, children help support the household.
@@jeremyjackson7429 I am not talking about those coutnries. I mean Wesern countries. Here poor people have more children than anyone else. Rich people are stingy with their wombs.
It's not about money. Even rich families in Korea have lower birth rates. It's more common in Korea now to have 0 or 1 baby when it used to be more common to have 2-3 babies. Everyone wants to be like "give us more money!" that they they won't want to think about deeper issues.
@@pikapi6993 Depends on the circumstances, but a lot of times the poor people live off the government and get government benefits. They get paid to have children by the government and to not work. Those that have more money don't have the advantage of the government backing them, and on top of that, divorce laws make it extremely difficult for middle income or wealthy people to want to marry, have kids, and risk losing half their assets in a divorce. Frankly, the biggest issue here is that the divorce laws encourage lack of commitment in marriage.
The reason is the same in the US. If both husband and wife have to work 50+ hours a week to get by and daycare cost 25-30k a year what do you expect. worker productivity and gdp growth are pursued at the expense of all else.
@@yunusgokcen174 and they can then happily starve - most people barely survive on two incomes, subtract one and add more expenses and see how this goes
@@atropabelladonna Our grandparents lived that way. They were happy with less. Feminism has increased unhappiness in society. I am not saying women shouldn't study or work, but you need to make choices. Ultimately, all women crave children and a large family. Stressing out over cleaning the house and holding good appareances is in their DNA. A career does not make a woman happy, if you have to believe the thousands of stories of women who regret choosing their career over settling down.
@@yunusgokcen174Conservative solution: reduce everyone's standard of living. Your solution to this is completely useless. Also he is not joking here he said that most people barely survive off two incomes. It is not a matter of surviving on less, it is homeless or not homeless.
@@josh2482 I mean Bhutan even included a Happiness Index. But given that there so few countries that also have it we have a lack of comparison. If we would, maybe we could even compare if higher standard of live even increases having a better life.
It's a shame that youtube doesn't push this video, I really appreciate the content. It's well researched and very engaging. Intelligent and complex content trumps clickbait short form contents. Keep up the good work.
Yea, this woman comes across as incredibly reasonable and down to earth on these issues. Very sane understanding of why this problem is happening, all the factors, and presenting the multitude of perspectives on it unbiasedly. It was actually helpful in letting me, a western person, understand the entire of picture of the problem... Not at all like our western content creators who usually speak on these issues. They're usually completely biased, in an unreasonable way, and usually blame the problem entirely on one side (either all men or all women) and spread hate. I like this video just because it was such a breath of fresh air on the issue, and I hope all our societies can find a solution to this problem as well as general loneliness soon.
Oh yeah. It's still a problem. Look past the First World and over to the global South where I am, and you'll see people are having more babies in the vain hope that more kids = more adult kids beholden to work for you for free and earn your retirement and elderly care for you.
@@iwantarandomname121 Nope. Even in 3rd world countries the birthrate is decreasing e.g. the average amount of children per African woman used to be 6 or 7 in the 50's, 60's and 70's and since the 80's it's declining. Now the average is 4 and they're still above replacement rate (2 children). But 1st world industrialized countries in North America, Europe and Asia on the other hand are already well below replacement rate for a long time. So yes, declining birth rates are a global phenomenon.
Romantic love is wonderful and definitely true, but you need to create it yourself, not wait to just happen spontaneously. However, if the prospect of living with her forever is bleak because of financials, it is a huge turn off. Like, "why drag her into a miserable life".
The 75% South Korea movie, "Past Lives" when asked the Korean guy why he isn`t married - I have an ordinary job that pays an ordinary salary; therefore, struggling with the question of marriage.
2:08 I think it's mostly because many people in France and in Norway don't see marriage ceremony as a indicator to commit to someone. I'm French and for example my parents aren't even married and yet have been together for more than 30 years.
@@c.f.okonta8815 Simply because my parents don't see any value in having a paper stating that they are married, and that they don't need a contract to state that they're together. They told me they see it as useless administrative work.
@@PierreMiniggiothat is because French bureaucratic systems seem to allow it. In Korea, a lot of things are harder to do (like getting a mortgage) if you are not married. Married people also get tax and other benefits. Many other non-government paperwork requires proof of relationship (example: spouse) to apply.
Hi Anna, I thoroughly went through all the points you mentioned in your video, and I couldn't agree more. However, I think the main problem lies in South Korea's approach to its economy. I am not a Korean person, but as someone who has a fair share of interest in global economic issues, I would say how the economy works for this country is somewhat in a weird position right now. There is a very rapidly growing inflation caused by the imbalance in the concentration and distribution of money in the population. Now, anyone would say, "Oh, that's a problem in every country." and YES, it is so. However, where things become interesting is how the country deals with the demands of the population, but it seems that there is an almost intentional appreciation towards this inflation. Let me explain with an example you already pointed out: the price of a house. This issue has a lot more factors than what meets the eye. If we notice the urbanization of the country, it is mainly concentrated within the country's capital, which is a critical player in the constantly spiked prices of houses and accommodations. The landmass of the country is far from being saturated considering its current population, so if the economic units get more scattered throughout the nation, it is more likely that the population density will become more balanced, which would significantly reduce the accommodation costs and also will provide psychological comfort to people and encourage them more to start a family. However, it seems that such steps are less likely to be taken because the country wants to prevail in the social competitiveness that you mentioned in your video. But where there is excessive competition, harmony is little to be found. I could discuss more points, but I don't want this comment to be overwhelmingly long. I've noticed that your channel has an intellectually curious audience, so I thought I'd share a snippet of my knowledge and understanding.
Agree and to add - the lack of strong social support system. Just a few points from Anna’s video : In 2024 the Gov is talking(?!) about support to parents&parental leave. SK children support parents - social pension is something relatively recent as far as I know - when lived is so difficult you don’t get married and start carrying about another generation. When people are not married, they feel they have a voice, once they marry their identity disappears under child’s name- 엄마 or someone’s daughter in law. Girls work so extremely hard and deserve to have a grown up seat at the table. It will be very difficult to find balance and the Government will need to be looking at a programme not individual measures, and quickly. The alternative is that they will be pushed to open the doors to foreigners (like the UK in the 50s or Germany 10 years ago) to increase the workforce and that will be a real shock for many!
As a Korean American, I completely agree. Korea is too Seoul centric. Everyone is obsessed with being in Seoul. For the price of a small apartment in a good neighborhood in Seoul, you can get a big and really nice house less than an hour away in the suburbs. It is understandable that all the jobs and societal pressure make it hard to move out of Seoul, but companies really need to be incentivezed to move away from Seoul. I was hoping the pandemic would encourage suburb migration through remote work like here in the States, but not much has changed as far as I can see.
@@stefheathcote6123 then why does western Europe, with its most liberal social support systems, most liberal maternity leave, most “gender equality”, most liberal social policies for women, have the lowest birth rates? Feminism has ruined human societies. The breakdown of traditional family values, family-oriented gender roles like males being the provider and females taking care of children, teaching women to be overly liberal and prioritize her own sexual pleasures instead of raising a family, teaching young people it’s cooler to chase their own selfish pleasures instead of raising a family, etc.
My husband and i have been married for 44 years. We raised 4 children together and both had very busy and rewarding careers. He is still the love of my life and i am grateful for every day we get to share. Yes romantic love is real. He still makes my heart flutter
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Super interesting insight on South Korea. Thank you for making this video!
I'm from Singapore where we also have one of the world's lowest birthrate after SK. We do not have the marriage traditions and customs, so for Singapore the main factor would be the astronomical cost of living. Another factor is also the education level of the population, especially women. Today's women are far more educated than their mothers and grandmothers and have more options in life than just a wife/mother. If you do a survey between rural and urban areas of a country, it is also highly likely that the women in the city are higher educated in general and have fewer children. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% supportive of higher education for women, and my wife and I have no kids by choice (we are 53 this year)!
Good on you. Us too both childfree by choice and sterilised (to ensure that we would never have any "unwanted surprises"). We have the income and time to do exactly as we please and considering the catastrophic climate change previsions you'd have to be egocentric and ignorant to want to bring more innocent human beings into this massively overpopulated planet. Livin' n' lovin' the childfree life!
"More options in life than a wife/mother". Like what? Wage slave and other types of wage slave? Lucky you for having found a fun career that you enjoy for a time, but most people hate their jobs. Although you'll probably get sick of it later as it does happen to many.
"More options" While that is true, I doubt that's the reason. The problem is that higher education means it takes longer to start working, instead of starting at 19 people are starting working at 25. So they don't have any capital, new graduates don't make that much until they're 30+. So when they start making good money the window to actually have children is already starting to close. Even getting kids at 30 today is not as easy as it was getting them at 23 50 years ago.
So you are not helping the situation then. At least you prooved your point, your higher educated wife isn't having children. The higher educated women the less children they birth.
Romantic love does exist, this doesn’t mean every day our love is like those in the movies. My husband and I have arguments, days where we frustrate one another and literally want to throw a slipper at them. We are both financially well off (not from family background or generational wealth, just us working hard and saving) we don’t need to be together for that kind of support. But even though there are less than positive days, we have amazing time as well and understand true love is about choosing to love each other over and over again. When we die we want to take our last breath knowing we went through everything together. So yes, romantic love is real.
pleasure as well. so many people are willing to perpetuate the consumerist lifestlye and system. but we don’t have the limitless resources they dream of.
@@aygwm You mean psychopathy, not sociopathy. This only became a problem after we stopped becoming hunter-gatherers and became farmers instead. Psychopathy was kept in check when your "family" was at most 20 people.
Life has never been better, especially in South Korea. Remember, not long ago we lived in an agrarian pre-industrial society. People that criticise the modern world just have no clue how hard was life 50 years ago.
The traditions you talked about regarding yemul or the family involvement in marriage is the same in Morocco. Crazy how far away the countries are but the traditions are similar.
Population growth is so low due to high pressure of the competition and also to much Korea drama / film / movie things that become realize or not add the pressure in the mind. it's like someone has been left behind by others.
@jyannalee At last someone intelligent and experienced in South Korea's working system addressed the issue with some valid points covering different areas. Romantic love to me is -> respecting partner's view, understanding their feeling, and communicating own view in the same manner to significant partner.
@@galileagonzales6326 if goverment start to pay, people will start to have babies -> for the sake of babies -> not for the betterment of society. Government and people should work together to decrease inflation and pay well to each sector of the country.
For me, this view is simply any interaction with another person. IMO, to be love the other one must be important to you and have trust and emotional support on each other (family, friends, partner) and for romantic love you must add intimacy (not only sex, huggs, kiss, touch).
@@galileagonzales6326 The SK govt AND some major companies paid people to have more kids, a $75k bonus in the case of one construction company to it's employees. It didn't help because while a one time cash bonus is nice, the issues are deeply systemic and recurring and if you don't address those, giving people money does nothing. In the case of that construction company again, if the $75k was being exclusively used for the child, that would only help for the first few years of its life. Without employee raises, decrease in inflated prices, or general increase in the quality of life (especially for women), just giving people a lot of money at once does nothing to help.
Singapore has been trying to tackle this lower birthrate for almost 40 years without success. There are 3 races here and the Chinese race has the lowest TFR at 0.81 in 2023. So the government quietly "import" people and grant them citizenship every year. Personally I do not see the situation improving.
Does that mean Singapore in the future has high odds of becoming an ethnically super-mixed (as in no one race has an absolute majority in the population) nation?
@@_master that’s how SG has been like for decades. The actual native (The Malays) are now the minority group in SG now. Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, and Philippinos are the majority of the population.
@@manofsesame3024 Is that true? The stats show Malays still make up 15% of the population while Indians make up on 7%. You're right about Chinese though, they make up 75%
I’m a mom of teens. Most of my friends’ teens are saying they don’t have plans of getting married or ever having kids, opting to travel or be fur parents instead. My eldest is at least considering adoption, because he’s sure he wants to be a dad but isn’t sure he wants to be married or will find a wife. 😅 But things are really expensive now. I keep telling friends that our kids are probably not going to be able to afford to buy their own homes ever (at least in major cities).
I think what's happening in Korea is happening across many Asian countries. I am from India and I can related each and every part from marriage customs & cultural setup
It's happening in all developing countries. Western countries remedy this issue with massive amounts of migrants, East Asians don't. Under normal circumstances Asians have uh....no issues with reproducing big time.
And in Europe and OECD countries too! We’re all ageing. Voracious capitalism is decimating the middle class and is making it more and more difficult for working class people to live, work and have families.
Asianometry had a video suggesting that Taiwan/the ROC's low birth rate might also be a signal to its leaders that the people find their territory overpopulated. Meanwhile in Singapore if the birth rate is low the gov't will probably have more immigration, to keep the economy running amid an ageing population, & our population density might reach 10000 ppl/m^2 within 1 decade. Now that some forests are being replaced by more high-rise public housing to house the continuously increasing population, we might soon also see environmentalist join in the chorus & worry about the country becoming overpopulated
@@dunzhen Yup ,the Chinese population would have been doubling every century if not for the famines ,the civil war (Usually caused by the famines) or getting massacred by the mongols
I work for a Wall Street firm.Fidelity Investments says it takes $645,000 to raise a child from birth to Bachelor's degree. Most couples regardless of where they live don't have that kind of money available. It's probably even more if you live in Seoul or Busan. If you're going to get married,the husband needs to make enough money so his wife doesn't have to work unless she wants to.The problem is that the most affordable homes are not in Seoul,but the best jobs are in Seoul.It's the same here in the States. If you live in a rural area,your income is going to be abysmal, and when you're young you're not making enough to afford a home in an urban area.There's no easy solution.
@@vaughnwilliams1208I mean if you’re asking for children to be created wouldn’t you want the man to have enough to support the family? America aren’t that supportive when it comes to mother/maternity leave. You have pregnant women fired for having simple pregnancies issues. So if you think about it… it sorta make sense
Anna your voice and tone is really good for this type of content; as always I appreciate the research you have done, and how put together the video is overall 👏🏻👏🏻
Honestly as a Korean I'm okay with the population decreasing, specially with the current culture that judges you based off how much material items you have and what you wear. Nah I'm okay with a society like that disappearing.
Then perhaps you should try to raise the next generation to instill in those children the values you would wish to uphold? For if such a culture exists, it would be up to them to put an end to it, would it not?
In Canada i am college educated and my fields pay rate hasn't really changed in 15 years. Minimum wage has doubled. Every year i get closer and closer to making minimum wage for a college educated position while costs sky rocket. Who has money for kids in all that
@@dgk6661 Somewhat yeah. Its happening to a lot of people I know in a lot of fields though. Personally I think they should be putting limitations on colleges/universities for taking students for programs based on need for workers. We have tripled immigration over the last few years and everyone in my age group is going to college/uni unlike other generations. There is just isn't enough jobs for the sheer amount of graduates and people we have. Even the stats we see all the time talk about how there are jobs but fail to mention they are all part time min wage jobs that you can't support a family on. Then we wonder why our birth rates are below replacement.
@@aba1design As your fellow countryman, I would have to agree, however, there are ways around it. First of all, look for somewhere small (like rural Alberta or one of the perrie provinces) like a small town which doesn't get a lot of attention and then see if perhaps they're looking for someone to fill in a position. Most of the time, your qualifications don't really matter, and if you were born in Canada, you'll probably find it easier to find some odd jobs, maybe even a potential partner who takes interest in you. It's all about getting out there and finding a community.
@@kalebthehistorian5928Rural areas have poor or no health care or hospitals. 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriages before Roe vs Wade these women often died. They are dying again. Women are dying from miscarriages, stillbirths, ectopic pregnancies, sepsis and having dead foetuses in them. Obstetricians are fleeing red states and white maternal deaths have risen 95 per cent in Texas since the abortion bans came in to effect.
I think love can be real. The issue is love does not mean the same for everyone. Love is a feeling, it was existed in pretty much every culture. Love I think is a fondness for another. Sometimes it's easy when it's new, harder as time goes by.
I have read that in parts of Italy about the closing of grade schools followed by those facilities being transformed into different types of elder care usage. Health care, housing & daytime elder care locations.
Yes, that's true, but these are kinder schools in rural areas, where people have moved to live in cities where it's easier to find work. However, Italy also has a fertility rate of around 1.2, which is better than 0.7, but still quite far from 2.1 for population stability. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with it; Italy is also overpopulated. It's composed of 59 million inhabitants, roughly the same as France, which, however, is twice as large in terms of territory.
@@sisko212 Italy in not overpopulated and the average age here is almost 50. That means 50% of the population is not fertile, less productive and need healthcare and pensions. Who pays for the healthcare and pensions of the elderly? Young workers. Every single country that has too many elders and few youngsters is going to become poor and then extinct in the long run.
My wife I visited Korea 1.5 years ago with our 6 month old. Everyone purposely walked the entire subway platform to look at our baby. Some of them were saying they havent seen an infant at this age in forever. I will say that even though my wife and I work, it has been hard to make ends meet with one child after child chare, buying our home and 2 cars. We are better off than many but it is tough. Part of it is bc we had our daughter in our late 30s. We make more money than younger couples but we also were pretty set in our life style. Its not easy and we get annoyed with people who keep talking about the joy of parenting. We love our daughter and want to giver her everything she needs but its a lot of personal sacrifice. We understand why people dont want children. The problem with these political attempts is that it wont get people to want to have kids, it help those who already have kids and wanted kids. Money is a factor in rasing kids but it isnt a big factor in the decision to have kids. I dont know anyone who does not have children who says that they decided not to have kids purely bc of money. It goes deeper than money.
The more I learn about South Korea, the scarier it becomes. It is a hypercapitalist dystopia, where there are only a few rich people and the rest are like slaves, but they are not conscious of it.
Yes the people in South Korea are told that they are rich when they are poor. They make 10 times as much money as their parents but cannot afford anything.
That plus Confucian culture which allows the elderly to abuse married daughters and daughters-in-law. The culture around this is incomprehensible to people who haven't seen it first hand. It's not the standard of life that people expect from a modern, developed country. This is putting a lot of women off of marriage.
Calling Korea hypercapitalist is admitting you don't know the definition of capitalism. South Korea is a corporate oligarchy, which is what free markets devolve into when corporations succeed in capturing the public institutions that are meant to keep them in check. The problem is too much corruption, not too much capitalism.
3 million won is about $2200. For context I spend that in a month on daycare. A one time payment of $2200 is a nice gesture but means absolutely fuck all over the course of an 18 year span. If SK was actually serious about upping their birth rate it would be 3 million won a month, not total.
You're overpaying or your country is extremely expensive if that's what you spend on daycare. Daycare in Oslo, the capital of Norway, is about $300 dollars per month (set to be reduced to $200 in august), and our daycare centers are staffed with many employees trained with at least 3 years of education in pre-school pedagogy.
I dated a 33 year old Korean girl last year and went our seperate ways this year. She didn't like that I was talking about the future and wanting to build a family even though I was more than capable of providing for a family (have my own home, car, good career etc.) so I think in my case it wasn't really a money issue, my theory is that all her friends are single, unmarried and also in their 30's, so she probably felt like she didn't need to settle down which is totally fine by me...glad I found out sooner and stopped wasting time on someone who has no intention of settling down.
I'm a 52 year old American, I never hooked up due to personal social issues, but, if I had gotten married, I wouldn't like the situation today. I don't have a solution for you. My plan is to live out of my SUV if I lose my job and can't find another job on time. I can't imagine bringing a child into this world in any country, even the States. A man is supposed to work a job and pay for everything like the old days, now a couple with 3-4 jobs between them are barely making it from what I've seen online. If the American dream becomes a nightmare, what future can there be but more nightmares in the real world? Take care.
You're the only elder if not 52 who understood, If life were easier nowadays, how come there are higher suic1de rates and lower birth rates? My parents and many boomer relatives said the same spiel, but their situation was still not enough for a higher suic1de rate and lower birth rate back then, cause all they needed was to get into a company. If there wasn't internet nowadays to distract myself, I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
한국에선 결혼식에서 모든 하객으로부터 돈을 걷습니다...^^ 누가 언제 얼마 냈는지 명부 작성도 합니다. 그걸 보고 가서 얼마를 낼지 결정 합니다. 혼인신고만 하고 예식을 안하고 신혼여행을 간다는건... $40,000 정도의 수익을 포기한다는 것과 같습니다.. (결혼식은.. 돈 버는 날이에요^^.. 순수한 외국인들... ㅋㅋ)
@@eashgha If what you said had been true and if that mentality had been commonplace ("marriage is not the time to leave for a honeymoon but to make $40,000 in profit" - your words), people in SK would have queued to get married. However, the video here is telling a different story. Besides, you invest your savings in all the wedding arrangements first, then wait that a crowd of guests bring you the money back. Aha. Do they all have an obligation to show up as if they were conscripts? I honestly doubt it ;) Anyways, thanks for saying straightforward to a stranger that in your personal view marriage is just a business venture. Quoting Hyeri - "Interesting" (C)
I love how you didn't just distill the issue as simply an economic problem (which, as you said, is a global issue). People don't understand how big of a factor the Korean culture is playing in this demographic crisis. As an Asian, I'm aware of the cultural examples that you shared but before watching this video, I didn't fully appreciate how big of an effect it results to when all of these cultural things are compounded on top of each other!
Every country where the majority of women have entered the workforce has experienced a declining birthrate. Yet nobody involved in discussion of this topic will address this glaringly obvious correlation. Working women are under substantial and increasing pressure to perform at a high level at work. They simply don't have the time, energy or desire to make babies, and who can blame them?
Well if the husband is making a huge amount of money to support an entire family, there's no way around that to ensure the kid's future. Countries with high birth rate always end up with either kids on the street, no education, high crime, poverty, etc..... The system which is based on infinite growth just can not work with limited resource.
Completely agree, I actually just googled this topic because I was curious why the birth rate was declining so hard and there were quite a few people who were putting all the blame on Korean feminism for the declining birth rate. Needless to say, I was shocked. Now I’m an American dude who barely knows anything about Korea but while I won’t deny that feminism may play a role (a very minor one), it doesn’t take a genius to understand that there is much more at play here than just Korean feminism. I sincerely hope that the situation improves in Korea for all people and they don’t work themselves to the bone.
I know people from Korea and I have also interned in Hong Kong and spoke to many of them about the catastrophically low birth rate. They told me that factors like the cost of living, housing prices, wages, job security, education costs, working hours, and just the environment in general make it very difficult if not impossible to have children and be able to adequately provide for them. This is especially given the school and work culture and environment are both extremely competitive and they want the children to be able to adequately compete to have a chance in life.
True. But wealthy people are still not having babies. The reason is because South Koreans and Japanese tend to be asexual. There are a lot of people who are asexual .
They are lying. They are literally in richest countries where it's the easiest to provide. No one wants/loves/cares about children. Period. And to have children you need at least two people together who both want children.
I think people underestimate this problem. A fertility rate of 0.7 is basically 1/3rd of replacement rate. Played out into the future that looks like 100 people having 33 children who have 11 grandchildren who have 4 great-grandchildren. South Korea basically won’t exist in three generations.
Besides society ALWAYS sees women with children as punishment. Even today one of sexist the insults is, get pregnant. They don't see children as positive thing.
??? south korea will half in 100, HUNDRED YEARS, from 50M to 25M people, that is still a fuckton of people, and if slow growth contnue it will be 13M in another 100 years, idk man that is like ... at least 15 generations, and you know how fast humans can multiply in case it is needed
I think that romantic love is definitely real. The kind of love I feel towards my crush/girlfriend is definitely different to the kind of love I feel towards my best friend.
@@sociolocomtsac a good gf will stick with you even if things get bad. Now, if you completely give up on everything and you don't even try to improve your circumstances, then yea, she might leave you eventually, but with a good gf it's not gonna be because of money, but because who wants a partner that completely gave up on life? Yes, I know depression can do this, but even a depressed person can wish to improve, can go to therapy (the gf could encourage you to seek help) etc?
Hi Anna! Great topic. I personally think the only way to increase birth rates around the world is if governments actually improve conditions for having and raising children. First, affordable living standards to encourage marriage. Affordable schools with adequate time for social/rest/downtime so people can de-stress from pre-k to college. Livable wages and salaries, better health care, and longer paternity leave. Incorporate more free or affordable third places so people can have places to take their families and friends. Also, combine childcare and elder care together. The children keep the elders young, and the young can learn from their elders. Finally, most importantly, in my opinion, focus on human relationships rather than technology that focuses on individuals. But that's just my opinion and dreams.
@@pinkypilotThe sense of entitlement is with the large corporations and the basic needs of civilians (healthcare, education, fair wages, and employment) go ignored.
What's crazy about that is that even though South Korea's population decline is much faster, because of the decades of difference in overall wealth, they still have more children than North Korea.
I am a guy ethnic Korean, have lived in SK since 2016. Dated Korean girls, talked about the approach to relationships with different people including both guys and girls, and hear me out on this: Koreans on average have a skewed perception of dating, love, marriage, and what's normal in all these. Not even talking about the perceived "normal age" for marriage, that shit's rising up faster than inflation - in 2016 I heard something like 29, now I hear 33. I'm talking about... just being a nice partner to another person. 1) The whole young generation keeps telling each other that the way to get over the past relationship is to find a new one. Escapism and lack of responsibility at their finest. Relationships here either don't last at all and nobody fights for them or they last too long and people are just stuck with each other. 2) Koreans like to say "시간은 약이다", meaning "time heals all", which together with the fact that therapy is being looked down upon creates a shit ton of people with a shit ton of trauma and emotional baggage. 3) Culture of comparison. Compare everything and everyone. "Oh, my friend's BF gave her a Gucci bag, he's so nice!", and here you go, you're expected to outdo him as a guy. Also the same goes for "toxic traits" and red flags. God forbid you say the same thing as your GF's friend's ex said, you're fucked. Some of my personal examples to illustrate: my ex's friend literally asked me for an advice on how to go about a guy pursuing her when she already was in a 3-year relationship. The relationship was dying, reportedly they had sex once a month, but she wanted to settle because she was pushing her thirties. Monkeybranching, essentially. On a separate occasion, my ex berated me for wanting intimacy because she compared our relationship with the friend's one and said "they have sex once a month so we should too, it's normal in Korea". Gaslighting 101. Crazy thing is all of her 5 friends had the same fucking scenario. The craziest thing, however, was when I realized that my colleagues and other Korean friends have the same mindset.
So much utter tosh is talked about the birth rate, no one in 1927 said - hey, unless we have an extra 6 billion people we are in trouble. The issue is more the ratio with old to young and the problem with how pensions are funded.
Love can happen when one understands oneself and is open to giving love. The feeling is mutual when the person opposite is also open to giving love. It's not about expectations of receiving anything back. In order for that to happen, the ego has to be forgotten. Love is very individual, and it depends on the person's life experiences. We, including myself, are living with our childhood traumas, and expressing feelings triggers them. It is hard to address negative emotions with words, especially if they are personal ones. Understanding is vital, one holding space in order for the other to heal and grow. Trust, communication, and mutual respect are fundamental elements that sustain romantic relationships over time.
Yayyy!!!! Anna is back with another deep dive video. Been waiting for this one since you told us on your past live streams. Thanks for all the statistics and clarification with the cultural aspects. 🙏✨
The Korean government need to bring at least the costs of housings down. Any form of incentives to promote having one or two child can only be effective if the housing and costs of living becomes more affordable for the newly wedded..
About your last question... if we consider human "subjectiveness", love may be either a construct or a real thing, therefore it's meaning is flexible. My personal opinion (and you are free to disagree with it) is that love is a combination of 3 concepts linked together by respect. Those 3 concepts are friendship, care and lust. It is plastic, meaning that it will change from 33.333...% each to different percentages per concept
Sure there is romantic/passionate love (and other types of love couples can experience), but what I think you are probably interested in is marital satisfaction over time, where love is one of several factors contributing to that long-term satisfaction. Complicated!
Naw, catholic marriage vows are be with me rich or poor, sick or healthy. If you cant agree to that dont married. Just because you have wealth doesnt mean you cant lose it yet you made vows to be with person.
Romantic love is very real, but I feel the most is very unattainable. My wife and I met when we were both 14 years old and we immediately head over heels for each other. We married nine years later. Fast-forward another 11 years and we are welcoming our first child. The problem for us was not romantic love it was the economic situation here inAmerica. It took many, many years for us to feel comfortable enough to have a kid in this economic climate.
Congratulations on your fortunate love story and on your baby. I am older with 3 children who are now starting their own families. I would en outage you to have at least one more child, I spite of the expense. Children need siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles….. if everyone has only one child, this whole system breaks down and is not good for the development of the children. As I said I am older have and witnessed with problems very small families brings. This is more general advice to whoever reads this. Nothing personal.
@@TourdionInstrumental I'm actually older, too, and I have two children. We waited a long time to try to have one, and accidentally had twins. But I agree with you, despite the expense, it's better for kids to have a siblings and cousins, etc. It's actually sad seeing how few of those relationships my kids have.
My wife’s niece is from the Philippines and married a guy in South Korea. They have 2 kids and she’s an English teacher. Maybe there will be more of that in Korea.
I think the extreme urbanization especially with Seoul is the main problem hindering birth rates. It seems hard to raise children when millions of people are competing over the same housing area.
On the topic of "love and romance in relationships", there's an interesting audiobook by Mark Manson called "Love Is Not Enough" that talks about why relationships that only focus on attraction, chemistry and romance, may often be less healthy in the long-term, if neglecting compatibility factors and more of a value-based approach when forming deeper relationships.
You're absolutely correct, Love Is Enough that's why nobody's getting together because mostly everyone is all broke. Give humans some credit if they're struggling and can barely make your own bills what makes you think they're going to try to start a family.
The biggest reason for the plunge in Korea's fertility rate is not emotional. It is because of the price of a house in Seoul. When renting a house, the deposit is called jeonse, and it costs an average of 600,000 us dollars in Seoul. To purchase a house that is not rented, you need 1.3 million us dollars. Young couples cannot purchase a house to raise a child in Seoul with their income.
@@simonb4689 "They move"? Really? Like shipyard industry will move? Right? Like all of manufacturing engeenering and all stuff around it... will move? 😆
I'm reading the comments in KOREAN, and it seems that there's more nuance to this. I would rather hear from a Korean woman who was born and raised in Korea to give a better perspective.
But the entire developed world has the same problem. The overwhelming likelihood is that the root cause is going to be something that is present in all developed nations. There may be different cultural devices that slow or accelerate the problem in one country vs the next, but those will not be the true cause. If a Korean person starts talking about something that only exists in Korea, then we know that what they are discussing is not the cause of the problem, because Italy, Japan, and the US have the same problem. We are looking for a mechanism that exists in all nations once they become "developed".
@@darriuscole8544 Yes. Although, when it comes to demographics, differences in fertility rates among developed countries are big enough to make a very big difference to how badly things are going to turn out, how quickly. Countries more developed than Korea have fertility rates two or more times higher (similarly for China, Taiwan, Singapore. Even Vietnam, Thailand, etc, are now losing fertility faster than even their North East Asian neighbours have done (yes, it's true. They're just starting from higher levels, so it isn't as visible yet). Imo, the sharper the collapse in fertility as countries develop, (or more directly, as women gain more control over their choices), the more we're seeing the unmasking of what were historically the cultures where women's reproductive choices were most 'imposed on them' externally (basically, the more extremely conservative and patriarchal they traditionally have been). The video makes this point. Even today, Korean women are under much more demanding expectations regarding marriage and child-bearing, even as they have gained the option of 'opting out' faster than virtually any society on Earth (in the form of control over their own resources) Western countries developed much more gradually, so the culture had more time to 'loosen up', so to speak, so the collapse has been more moderate. If South Korea is to survive (literally), their only hope, imo, will be to bite the bullet and seriously re-examine the kinds of suffocating cultural norms discussed in this video. There are some signs this is underway lately, out of sheer necessity, bordering on national panic. If not, and contrary to popular belief, the future of Koreans lies in the North (with one of the highest fertility rates in East Asia, two and half times higher than the South). "The future belongs to those who show up"
Actually this girl us bad. I am not Korean but worked their 7 years. I see so much what she says as bs, irrelevant and while maybe issues in USA, they dont in korea.
That's interesting but she was mostly raised in the uk, she got famous when she started reacting to uncle Roger videos about fried rice and other stuff.
Pretty amazing video about most interesting topic in South Korea, and it is so well made!!! Nowhere else and no one provided all this deep insight into SK society. Thank you so much!!!!!!!❤🎉😂😂
There is a misconception that surprise proposal means surprise intent to marry in the west. The couple would have already expressed to each other their intention to marry each other, and then the actually asking, with the bent knee and elaborate setting is traditionaly left to the man to plan. But the woman will already know that he will eventually propose, just not when and how. For many traditional people, asking the father of the bride for her hand in marriage is also expected before the proposal.
I want to talk about the percentage of women who never have kids in different countries. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, but Japan has the most women who never have children. Women who reach 50 without having kids are called "lifelong childless." Last month, the OECD said 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries, where the average is 16.2%. So, about 1 in 3.5 Japanese women never has a child. Usually, developing countries have more births and fewer childless women than developed countries. This means Japan likely has the highest rate of childless women in the world. After Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest rates of lifelong childlessness. South Korea (12.9%) is seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), but still less than half of Japan's rate. The difference between South Korea and Japan shows that even though South Korea has a lower birth rate, more South Korean women have at least one child compared to Japan. This is because more Japanese families have multiple kids. Willem Adema, an OECD economist, says, "In South Korea, the cost of raising kids is so high that many families only have one child, while in Japan, families often have 2-3 kids." In summary, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to more families with multiple kids. But, Japan also has a much higher percentage of women who never have children compared to South Korea.
I grew up with 4 siblings. Because of age gender hobby and academic interest differences we were all very different growing up. This and the close proximity forced us to interact daily with people different from us and their friend groups. It was probably the single biggest factor in our social development and emotional stability. Not having a lot of kids to socialize with is extremely damaging to the few kids around. This is a compounding issue.
I personally believe in romantic love because I am an emotional person. However, I have never dated before because I have always been too busy dealing with other things in life
Came across this suggestion from one othe other YT video: decentralize Seoul. You cannot run a whole country from one city and not expect hosuing prices to be litrally astronomical.
Honestly, it sounds like the SK government has already found what the issue IS, they're just not doing enough to combat it. Like you said, most people actually WANT to have kids, they just don't have the money/time/mental state. This is true in the west, and it sounds like it's WORST in SK (and I think Japan?). Raising a family takes time, money, and not being stressed out of your mind from a neverending high-octane ratrace. If you (general "you", not you, Anna "you") want higher birthrates, what you need to do is kick out this notion that a person's value is tied to their productivity and net worth, because having kids negatively impacts both by a lot. This means you need to give them more free time (ACTUAL free time, not time that people feel they need to spend taking courses to increase their value as an employee or the like) and give them a better income-to-expenses ratio. Like, houses costing 1M versus an income of 34k is an absolute non-starter, for example. You give people financial security, free time, and a relaxed mental state, and you get babies.
I don't think it's just that. Maybe that explains why, in 2022, Japan was at 1.26 & China's at 1.09, but SKorea's was at 0.78 in 2022. So there's something different about SKorea.
@@FakeAccount-px7mdThe main difference is geographic. Korea has mountains everywhere, which leave only a few patches of urbanizable areas that are kinda isolated. This has generated a forced localization of business in a single megacity. And because a big portion of the population lives in Seoul, the housing prices have skyrocketed. Not to mention there's a strong oligopoly going on in Korea, a few companies make up most of the countries economy. And they decide the prices of their products as they wish, because the government tries hard to avoid foreigner companies to have direct competition with local business, protecting the oligopolies
I don't think everyone wants to have children if you clearly have a society that thanks to the world crisis and inflation doesn't have the budget, but it's obvious that we all know Korea is a patriarchal society, where women are treated badly and women don't have the same rights as other countries, obviously they are not going to think about forming a relationship and consequently a family... I live in a country with a lot of insecurity and inflation, yet people have a lot of children
@@an0nycat Japan is always mentioned when the birth rate is discussed but Japan is far better than Korea. Japan's birth rate is 1.26, and Japan's population is more than twice that of Korea to begin with. And many Western countries only look better on the surface because they have large numbers of immigrants. If immigration were removed, the birth rates in these countries would be the same as or lower than Japan's. But Korea, unfortunately, has fallen to a level from which it can no longer recover.
In Summary -Women are hesitant about marriage and having children due to concerns that it could add significant challenges to their lives, especially when societal expectations often require them to balance financial independence, childcare, and family responsibilities. -Men are increasingly reluctant to marry, citing concerns over unfair marriage laws and societal expectations that pressure them to prioritize work and assume the role of primary provider, even when their partners also contribute financially.
Technically you need over 2 kids per woman to keep a steady population. The actual rate is 2.1 too keep it steady. It sounds like growth, but even 2.02 is not enough to grow or even keep a population steady. The reason for this is you have to account for kids who die young or those who die without having children as well.
All very interesting, and it all makes sense except for one thing: why should the cost of housing, marriage, and children be relatively higher today than in the past, when we were all much poorer? Maybe building technology hasn't improved dramatically, but it still improves.
I think the best step is to revamp the education system first and bring in a new one with more emphasis on values like importance of every living soul , empathy , human relations..The over competitive foundation during schooling is what generates individualistic and unhappy adults later because they fail to realise that the true value of human life is much beyond comparing yourself to others or competing with them in everything
I agree that the education system sounds soul-sucking and there doesn't seem to be a reason why it is that way. I was a straight-A student, so if I had grown up in Korea I probably would have unquestioningly been studying my school years away and doing nothing else. Only when I became an adult could I recognize that the grade itself is less important than what you are learning for yourself. So I agree that the education system seems more harsh than necessary, and that people should be able to make a decent living without a college degree, like many of my friends do in the US.
@@gudrun5531 I can't understand why young adults, knowing all this, will walk away and give up hope of any future rather than work to make the necessary changes they KNOW need to be made. Is the elder's imposed cultural norms SO strong that young adults refuse to make the changes?
The biggest reason for the plunge in Korea's fertility rate is not emotional. It is because of the price of a house in Seoul. When renting a house, the deposit is called jeonse, and it costs an average of 600,000 us dollars in Seoul. To purchase a house that is not rented, you need 1.3 million us dollars. Young couples cannot purchase a house to raise a child in Seoul with their income.
They teach these already, there’s so much emphasis on these topics recently that children need to go to core subject academies to cover materials that will be in their school exams.
We have a similar decline in my family in the US. My grandparents on both sides, combined, had a total of 7 kids (3.5 birth rate). Those 7 kids had 14 kids (2.0 birth rate). Those 14 kids (my generation) had 15 kids (.93 birth rate), but 7 of those were from just one of my cousins who is a very devout Catholic. Without her my generation of siblings and cousins would have a birth rate of just .57 and 8 of us are childless. Almost all of us are married and past child-bearing years, the youngest of us turning 40 this year.
The main difference is that the US population isn't going into an unsustainable decline because of this, since the US is one of the most popular immigration targets on the planet. So the US can bring in people from outside. This is true for more modern western countries too. South Korea and Japan can't. Both the culture and legislation is outright hostile to foreigners permanently settling in and getting citizenship.
i am 37 years old indian guy i had a big accident 3 years ago i was depressed but this year i am feeling positive i quit smoking lost weight and i think i can make come back in life if i can do it others can also do it just dont give up hope life can change
It’s not a Korea issue is a foreshadow of what’s going to happen globally. At least Korea will be ahead of the game and will adapt to it before every other country. All organisms and systems adapt it doesn’t necessarily mean it bad thing. Maybe environment will be healthier maybe there will be a more aggressive AI adoption to replace labor, maybe inflation gets corrected etc it’s all how you approach, adapt and deal with it good or bad.
This a selection event in evolution. Looks like only the onces who try to have kids will reproduce in Korea. Currently only 35 kids for every 100 adults. Your watching history being made. The Fall of Rome. The fall of Byzantium. A Black death of the mind? Or a Black Death caused by femminsm? Only 9 countrys are above replacement level this year.
Korea will adapt OK ..not particularly great. The West solves the issue with massive immigration, which has been a great help, but the issues from it will increasingly be clear...even get worse
I think romantic love is real - but maybe not so common. I imagine it being a strong 2-way bond that includes physical and psychological attraction between both people. What we seem to run into more often is pieces of that without the complete whole, or situations where 1 side feels strongly but the other side doesn't. As far as how to fix the birthrate... Speaking as a millennial who has yet to marry myself, governments will need to make drastic changes to make it more affordable to most people. I know Korea is especially bad in the cost category, but it really impacts people in many countries - if it takes two full time career salaries to afford a home, there's nothing left to afford all the related expenses for raising a kid, let alone time to parent them.
12:19 if this is an informative video, you can't conclude that based on your opinion without providing numbers. But also i think it is a bit insensitive to call radicals to women to have taken such decisions because they have been victims of abuse. I'm sure there must be ones who are really radicals, but doesn't mean the whole movement is all radicals who just hate men. Being empathetic is key in this case.
Yes they are all radical. I was abuse by one man, so i’m parttaking in a movement that destroys everyone including myself. Any group of men practicing the same ideology would instantly be called a terrorist organization. It’s dudes like you that enable the nonsense. In most cases they never had the abuser brought to justice, they chose the person, and ignored the red flags, they forgone the men who are not abusive to be with that abusive man. So now the world has to suffer because those women refuse to get therapy for their trauma. We offer no understanding to men who suffer abuse. R Kelly was molested by his aun’t, yet that’s barely even touched when discussing his “sex cult”. P diddy is currently under fire, but no one is discussing the people who abused him in the music industry. These men are held accountable for their actions. So how in the hell should we not see these people who engage in this movement as different. Hitler was a victim of discrimination, yet is vilified in history. Hitler was an aspiring artist who wanted to attend a art institute, yet was denied because he wanted pure Jewish, he was half. But that’s not even in history books, we are taught that hitler was bad end of story. So with that same logic, we should treat feminists with these practices the same as we treat men with extremist ideas. To keep it a buck women are way worst dictators than men. Elizabeth was a queen who killed virgins and bathe in their blood, to preserve her youth.
Being a part of such movement is radical and everyone should be able to identify which people are radicals, but I don't think it's being insensitive to call them radicals as long as you understand that they are human beings just like everyone and their experiences in life have steered them into being radicals. Many people seem to de-humanize radicals or simply reject and ignore their views, when in reality they should be interacting genuinely with them because through them one can find out the failures of our systems which need to be adressed in order to stop radicalisation.
@@jdhabdsudcbld here’s the problem with your analysis of radicals, also should be included are fanatics, zealots, they really don’t support the cause as much as their actions are in support of their cause. Their extreme behaviors and actions often are masked by the cause. They want the excuse to be radical. In every cause or political movement, ideology, religious practices, etc. they exist, example, there’s soldier who use war time to torture, steal, grape(minus G) and pillage noncombatants, which is why we have the Geneva convention. They are often too extreme for even the leader and other members of the movement. This brings me to my ultimate point, and a radical group of people are unapologetic about their radicals, extremists, fanatics, zealots, then the rest of us people who may not support their cause, or are indifferent are in danger. Accountability is important so is restraint. When a group displays radical ideologies and takes extremes as regular practices of their group, like human rights violations, mass murder etc, they are simply a threat to humanity and need to be stopped. You have people that want to see the world burn; no matter their reasoning why, when they have reach that level of thinking, they are a threat to everyone. No fraction or hive like cult thinking that puts human life and rights in jeopardy in it’s regular practice ever needs to be studied.
It's by its own admission a rad fem movement. Last report was in 2019 having 4000 members in a country of 51mil. You tell me. They are the ideological mirror of MGTOW who get ridiculed all the time because they also gave up due to the way dating turned out and their own unfortunate experiences with women. The point is, both sides of them should've realized they just ran into bad people and kept it moving like everyone else not label an entire side. There's a korean woman in the comments here saying she isn't getting married because she will be expected to be a parenting machine, overworked, and mistreated by her husband's family. Does that sound like a rational person or someone who needs to see a therapist? Blanket assumptions are never healthy. Let's flip that on its head. Imagine a man saying "I'm not getting married because women don't care about your feelings, only care about how much money you bring to the table then will destroy you in family court as soon as they aren't happy." That's their male equivalent. They're bitter.
Hi Anna, interesting video but I would avoid using terms such as 'the west' (what you really mean is UK/US). Many western countries such as Italy, Poland, Argentina and others are deeply traditional and parental approval is ingrained in the courtship process. Equally, many 'Eastern' countries such as Thailand or Japan place very little value on parental approval. What you are describing is Confucian (i.e Heavily influenced by China) vs Anglo-Saxon (US/UK/AU/NZ) dominated countries rather than the much larger and more diverse west and east.
Yea, people definitely want to look after other people responsibilities. They main reason why it's a concern is because the government can't tax people who aren't spending.
In my honest opinion it is the practical disconnect between the emotional factors for relationships and the more transactional activity of a marriage. It causes uncertainties in both aspects for both genders to decide for children.
Anna, I really enjoy these more 'investigative' series. I loved your first one. Please do more. Yes, while the 'transactional-seeming' marriage matching might seem odd to Western tastes frankly it is an in-between ground between more directly arranged marriages of India (yes, changing) and the 'romantic' marriages of the West. Actually makes sense and as long as there isn't forced pressure it could be fine. To me this world-wide phenomena is not a mystery as the rise of income inequality. USA technically has higher income inequality than SK, but there are other factors at play as well. But love these series and keep it going to balance out the less serious videos, which are enjoyable!
Arrange marriage today is similar to what 'Trancstional seeming' as described in video and not like marrying some stranger that somebody people meet on their wedding day. That kinda of arranged marriage is what happened in grandparents times, not today. Arrange marriages still happen in India, and it doesn't mean marrying some stranger without first meeting them or consenting to the marriage. Arrange marriage doesn't mean some forced marriage with some stranger. People meet lot of potential partners and eventually decide for themselves, if they want to marry them or not.
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Having children outside of marriage is not considered progressive by the Christian /Catholic church. Many religions, regardless of their origin, will agree on this.
These children will grow up feeling confused and depressed. They need love from both a father and a mother.
The solution is to unlearn the so-called "progressive" Western mindset.
to answer the question about romantic love it solely depends on if the person believe in it. if that person who made that reddit comment doesn't believe it then they never will. i do believe it exists but is very rare. love isn't just all the happy things, it does take work and effort. there is more after the 'happily ever after' but i saw it with my grandparents for sure. their love story is so romantic and they were married for almost 70 years before my grandfather passed.
Hi Anna, great vid. whats the best website/App for real estate in Seoul?
Registered cohabitation where partners can separate more easily will result in more children from broken homes with a larger burden on the government and taxpayers. Possibly even on grandparents. Could also result in higher crime rates as the children age. The solution? Government-implemented (built) affordable family housing and a complete overhaul of popular culture that prioritizes marriage and the husband-wife-children family unit over individual pursuits and attempting to emulate celebrity and hedonistic lifestyles. Where popular culture goes the nation goes. Unless Korea wants to deal with all the issues that other OECD countries deal with from depending on immigrants to bolster its workforce, the time to act was yesterday.
The answer is in history. What values built Korea into what she is now after Japanese colonization and Korean war are the same values that will sustain her, not Western values which are defeating the West.
Every time I see this discussion what comes to my mind is: It's hard to make animals in captivity reproduce.
Reading that felt like a punch to the gut
Actually it's easier.
@@sandroman_04 If you've got a zookeeper jamming a spunk syringe into a female sure, not sure people want that.
@@ChrissyErica There are answers on that experiment, but it doesn't explain everything.
we're not in captivity though
EDIT: read the rest of my comments before replying to this
You forgot to mention the work hours. You can't be a parent if your job requires you ro work so many hours daily.
This means more opportunities for immigrants who want to work and being their families from underdeveloped nations to these countries which is a good opportunity for Indians Africans people from Mexico Nigeria etc.🤗
@@genuinehuman1 Was that sarcasm or do you really think this is good? Thats how you ruin nations and east asians know it. Instead of importing poor people from other nations, who dont mind being exploited for to little money, our politicians need to improve life for the native people to encourage them to create families. Its a giant scam game you know. The leaders of poor, overpopulated nations dont do anything for their people, so their people try to go somewhere else and the target nations dont do anything either, so they can get cheap or almost slave labor and ruin their own people. We in Europe like east asian migrants, cause they are decent, respectful and value education. We will treat them right if they treat us right...but we dont need arabs or africans, because our experiences with them are awful mostly. Our mentalities dont match. One reasons their nations suck, is not the past only but their mentality. Everything is messy and shifty. East asia is smart to not let them in yet, cause they see whats happening here. Crime rate goes up, school quality lowers, noise and filth goes up. Even the few arab and african migrants who are decent say, that we have to stop letting everyone in, cause these people have no decency or respect. Loud, messy, uneducated, radical, violent....we have enough. The culture clash between them and Koreans is way bigger too. Just that Korea will kick them out if they behave like they do here. And we are getting ready to vote in a way that will set these people straight again too. Its enough. I have a korean colleague and a friend from Mongolia, who are both sweet people and they both say, the only thing they dont like about my country are the arabs and africans and that they ruin the experience here.
@genuinehuman1 this is honestly the worst take ever. Its like seeing the disgrace of someone else and being like: "yipi! An opportunity to make money!"
Learn empathy
@@genuinehuman1You know these immigrants would need to work those long hours too right? Perhaps even harder than the native Koreans do
For most of human history, people worked many more hours than they do now, and the birthrate was much higher.
Bottom line, our modern societies need to be simpler and more enjoyable. Working hard is a good thing, but there are limits.
How do you know our societies work hard I know lot of people that don't even work
Korean education system 💀💀
people in the past were happier
@@jacktheripper-gj1hx The education system in South Korea is very hard.
Modernity and industrial society is a blight on humanity.
The incredible spike in housing costs has led to a lot of this. Governments worldwide need to do more to tackle this problem.
But to do that means that you basically have to go against all the rules of Capitalism and its free market structure.
Seriously? i am enjoying this decrease in population if it is controlled... Nowadays most government doesn't care and that would be chaos for next generations.
Men don't get pregnant! It's not on us,ask the ladies!
Private Equity and collusion through shared software causes most of the increase. We need high taxes on property being held off the market. And the government needs to develop new legal theories to address the new software.
Global governments are doing something, they're artificially constraining housing supply to inflate prices for their colleagues in private equity.
When I was in South Korea in the early 1990’s there were tv commercials pleading with couples to have FEWER children due to South Korea’s overpopulation explosion! Picture this: There’s a map of South Korea on the floor and there are hundreds of people desperately trying to find a space to stand within the borders of the map. They are frantic, trying so hard to be able to stand within the lines of the map. It’s like a desperate, frantic version of playing ‘Musical Chairs.’ Such a small space and too many people! So overcrowded! That’s what the tv commercials showed when I was there three times in the early 1990’s. 1990 - 1992 to be exact. They were really discouraging couples from having kids back then!
Just 30 years ago? That is crazy
So tv commercials working.
Just like in India and China. Nowadays in India couples hesitate to marry and fertility rate is already at replacement level. Just a decade ago it was above that
@@Dhyaam5989 below replacement u mean?
@@feliciaf8 No.. India's tfr is at replacement level. It has been decreasing for the past decades and in the next decade it's expected to fall below tfr. Right now it's something around 2.11.
Because being broke and under constant pressure is stressful and unpleasant. Who would willingly make a bad situation worse for themselves? It's pretty obvious really.
@otto197 point taken, but being broke in East Asia is a different kettle of fish altogether. It is extremely stressful, not least because you no longer have a village full of extended family to help raise the child.
@otto197where is her tribe then? Are they rich and affluent? Most likely not.
Children are a massive monetary burden one has to afford. One way or another. If you choose to have children without the means to support them and yourselves, go ahead. But don't expect a life full of riches.
@otto197 Big logic mistake here, mate. There is a huge difference in what kids are in the third world countries and what they are in developed countries. In short in some african country kid is basically a resource, you need him to work asap and help the family. As such you give him birth , cloth him, feed him, done. As such it's in your interests to get a lot of babies as fast as possible. In developed countries a kid is a project that requires immense resources, suddenly you can't just cloth him in rags, he needs good clothes, he needs good food, he needs a good(and mostly expensive) education. And there are bunch of other expenses that come with living in developed country(bills, bills bills bills). It's an immense pressure on both parents and kids when money are tight, so obviously people dont wanna go through it.
To sum it up in a poor African country a kid is a resource, in Korea a kid is a project.
Its the unhinged education system, the workforce, that sells women the lie they need to have a career too, even when our psyche and biology made us naturally more homey. Its the lack of space (or the crazy prices for it), the lack of empathy etc. ...but I wont live my life in fear and worry. Fear kills everything. Spirituality tells us to not live in fear and its totally true...things always turn around when I trusted and overcame fears. Fear is the weapon of evil. It divides and cripples.
@@Khobai South Korea is not a third world country.
I think it all boils down to money. If I’m still worried about going homeless, how in the hell can I think of romance and making babies? Give more people livable wages and maybe they’d give kids a second thought.
Livable wage and a house!!!! That will make a difference
Ikr here in vancouver an apartment is 1 million, dont get me started on houses, so yea how am i supposed to have a kid, mind you everyone still expects men to provide for a family and call you a loser if you cant...
Especially whenever unlike America many other countries don’t have the luxury of people leeching on welfare
Please explain why they need to know if the family has debt?
@lovli1449 it'll have their grandchildren indebted which isn't seen as a good thing since I think descendants inherit debt
The real problem isn't the declining population, it's that a capitalist economy can't handle a declining population. Everyone is focused on changing society to fit a bad economic system rather than changing the economy to adapt to society.
Exactly! The Capitalist society (as it is today) will totally collapse with a decline in population (Loss of tax revenue, loss of money circulating/changing hands, less businesses, etc)... Our owners simply does not want to lose money because of declining population and less taxpapyers...
And what economy can support declining population where one adult has to support two elderly and a child and some sick people? Imaginary communist never-land?
There is no such thing as capitalism. It is a Marxist term. There is only freedom or slavery. That is the only two systems there is for humans to organize society. Population collapse will introduce slavery to humanity.
As opposed to other economic systems that work? LoL.
@@whiteduck5563 Yes, exactly, we should change to a better economic system that works.
It’s not simply “lack of money”, it’s lack of affordable housing, healthcare, and higher education. When the cost of living is so high, and the average person is just treading water.
As in: people make more money than ever before, but landlords and market monopolies have crushed consumers, and governments are led by those financially invested in the current system.
And a lack of goo looking individuals
Korean women already stated they want the 4b movement why are they crying about population decline. You wanted it now you got it. Korean men are now passport bros. Leave these women behind and focus on yourself. Nothing will change until women change. Until then enjoy your economy collapse. Men built society and if women don’t want to play along they can end it
Bs you lie! Korea has national health care. Everyone pays 3.3% tax. So stop trying to compare your American excuses that are an Oceans difference to koreas.
Not for nothing, but people didn’t have any of that back in the day and still had 5 kids.
But I agree the cost of living has gotten really bad.
That’s the same thing. If costs go up more than wages go up, you do have a lack of money in real terms
Young people in their 20’s and early 30’s can’t afford to marry, have apartments/houses and to have kids. There is too much pressure in the society to succeed. Only those who come from families who are well off can do all these because they can hire housekeepers and nannys unless the grandparents are willing to help out. Also, people want to find love and want to find partners who have the same mindset for their lives and goals.
and yet poor people are having more children than rich people. please explain
@@pikapi6993 In 3rd world countries, children don't get an education. They go straight to work supporting the family. Instead of being a financial liability, children help support the household.
@@jeremyjackson7429 I am not talking about those coutnries. I mean Wesern countries. Here poor people have more children than anyone else. Rich people are stingy with their wombs.
It's not about money. Even rich families in Korea have lower birth rates. It's more common in Korea now to have 0 or 1 baby when it used to be more common to have 2-3 babies. Everyone wants to be like "give us more money!" that they they won't want to think about deeper issues.
@@pikapi6993 Depends on the circumstances, but a lot of times the poor people live off the government and get government benefits. They get paid to have children by the government and to not work. Those that have more money don't have the advantage of the government backing them, and on top of that, divorce laws make it extremely difficult for middle income or wealthy people to want to marry, have kids, and risk losing half their assets in a divorce.
Frankly, the biggest issue here is that the divorce laws encourage lack of commitment in marriage.
The reason is the same in the US. If both husband and wife have to work 50+ hours a week to get by and daycare cost 25-30k a year what do you expect. worker productivity and gdp growth are pursued at the expense of all else.
One partner has to give up their careers then.
@@yunusgokcen174 and they can then happily starve - most people barely survive on two incomes, subtract one and add more expenses and see how this goes
@@atropabelladonna Our grandparents lived that way. They were happy with less. Feminism has increased unhappiness in society. I am not saying women shouldn't study or work, but you need to make choices. Ultimately, all women crave children and a large family. Stressing out over cleaning the house and holding good appareances is in their DNA. A career does not make a woman happy, if you have to believe the thousands of stories of women who regret choosing their career over settling down.
@@yunusgokcen174Conservative solution: reduce everyone's standard of living. Your solution to this is completely useless. Also he is not joking here he said that most people barely survive off two incomes. It is not a matter of surviving on less, it is homeless or not homeless.
@@josh2482 I mean Bhutan even included a Happiness Index. But given that there so few countries that also have it we have a lack of comparison. If we would, maybe we could even compare if higher standard of live even increases having a better life.
I had a conversation with someone from South Korea yesterday they said it’s because of feminism and the cost of living too high
Sounds right ✅️
Feminism or you mean unsecure neediness?
It's a shame that youtube doesn't push this video, I really appreciate the content. It's well researched and very engaging. Intelligent and complex content trumps clickbait short form contents. Keep up the good work.
doesn't ft RUclips agenda
I agree
I wonder how many comments come from people with organic fingers.
Yea, this woman comes across as incredibly reasonable and down to earth on these issues. Very sane understanding of why this problem is happening, all the factors, and presenting the multitude of perspectives on it unbiasedly. It was actually helpful in letting me, a western person, understand the entire of picture of the problem... Not at all like our western content creators who usually speak on these issues. They're usually completely biased, in an unreasonable way, and usually blame the problem entirely on one side (either all men or all women) and spread hate. I like this video just because it was such a breath of fresh air on the issue, and I hope all our societies can find a solution to this problem as well as general loneliness soon.
All I see on the western media about the subject is the gender war and how sexist Korea is lol. This video is actually so on point
Good video, lots of solid information and with good accompanying visuals. Good luck with the channel.
Remember there was a time when we was super worried about over population?
That's just the danger of assuming trends will go on forever unless manually corrected
It is still happening. Population growth is massive in some 3rd world counties.
@@iwantarandomname121 Unfortunately, that is also slowing at an alarming rate.
Oh yeah. It's still a problem. Look past the First World and over to the global South where I am, and you'll see people are having more babies in the vain hope that more kids = more adult kids beholden to work for you for free and earn your retirement and elderly care for you.
@@iwantarandomname121 Nope. Even in 3rd world countries the birthrate is decreasing e.g. the average amount of children per African woman used to be 6 or 7 in the 50's, 60's and 70's and since the 80's it's declining. Now the average is 4 and they're still above replacement rate (2 children). But 1st world industrialized countries in North America, Europe and Asia on the other hand are already well below replacement rate for a long time. So yes, declining birth rates are a global phenomenon.
Romantic love is wonderful and definitely true, but you need to create it yourself, not wait to just happen spontaneously. However, if the prospect of living with her forever is bleak because of financials, it is a huge turn off. Like, "why drag her into a miserable life".
The 75% South Korea movie, "Past Lives" when asked the Korean guy why he isn`t married - I have an ordinary job that pays an ordinary salary; therefore, struggling with the question of marriage.
where the hell do you get the figure 75 percent South Korean?
@@propertymanager9149 The movie is 75% in South Korean language.
2:08 I think it's mostly because many people in France and in Norway don't see marriage ceremony as a indicator to commit to someone.
I'm French and for example my parents aren't even married and yet have been together for more than 30 years.
Because there are alternatives to marriage, such as PACS or cohabitation.
Damn why didn’t they get married
@@c.f.okonta8815 Simply because my parents don't see any value in having a paper stating that they are married, and that they don't need a contract to state that they're together. They told me they see it as useless administrative work.
Yea? After 30 years 😬😬😬😬🙁🤔
@@PierreMiniggiothat is because French bureaucratic systems seem to allow it. In Korea, a lot of things are harder to do (like getting a mortgage) if you are not married. Married people also get tax and other benefits. Many other non-government paperwork requires proof of relationship (example: spouse) to apply.
Hi Anna, I thoroughly went through all the points you mentioned in your video, and I couldn't agree more. However, I think the main problem lies in South Korea's approach to its economy. I am not a Korean person, but as someone who has a fair share of interest in global economic issues, I would say how the economy works for this country is somewhat in a weird position right now. There is a very rapidly growing inflation caused by the imbalance in the concentration and distribution of money in the population. Now, anyone would say, "Oh, that's a problem in every country." and YES, it is so. However, where things become interesting is how the country deals with the demands of the population, but it seems that there is an almost intentional appreciation towards this inflation.
Let me explain with an example you already pointed out: the price of a house. This issue has a lot more factors than what meets the eye. If we notice the urbanization of the country, it is mainly concentrated within the country's capital, which is a critical player in the constantly spiked prices of houses and accommodations. The landmass of the country is far from being saturated considering its current population, so if the economic units get more scattered throughout the nation, it is more likely that the population density will become more balanced, which would significantly reduce the accommodation costs and also will provide psychological comfort to people and encourage them more to start a family. However, it seems that such steps are less likely to be taken because the country wants to prevail in the social competitiveness that you mentioned in your video. But where there is excessive competition, harmony is little to be found.
I could discuss more points, but I don't want this comment to be overwhelmingly long. I've noticed that your channel has an intellectually curious audience, so I thought I'd share a snippet of my knowledge and understanding.
What about the elephant in the room, American influences on the traditional and cultural values of your country.
Agree and to add - the lack of strong social support system.
Just a few points from Anna’s video : In 2024 the Gov is talking(?!) about support to parents&parental leave.
SK children support parents - social pension is something relatively recent as far as I know - when lived is so difficult you don’t get married and start carrying about another generation.
When people are not married, they feel they have a voice, once they marry their identity disappears under child’s name- 엄마 or someone’s daughter in law.
Girls work so extremely hard and deserve to have a grown up seat at the table.
It will be very difficult to find balance and the Government will need to be looking at a programme not individual measures, and quickly.
The alternative is that they will be pushed to open the doors to foreigners (like the UK in the 50s or Germany 10 years ago) to increase the workforce and that will be a real shock for many!
That was very interesting, thanks for sharing.
As a Korean American, I completely agree. Korea is too Seoul centric. Everyone is obsessed with being in Seoul. For the price of a small apartment in a good neighborhood in Seoul, you can get a big and really nice house less than an hour away in the suburbs. It is understandable that all the jobs and societal pressure make it hard to move out of Seoul, but companies really need to be incentivezed to move away from Seoul. I was hoping the pandemic would encourage suburb migration through remote work like here in the States, but not much has changed as far as I can see.
@@stefheathcote6123 then why does western Europe, with its most liberal social support systems, most liberal maternity leave, most “gender equality”, most liberal social policies for women, have the lowest birth rates?
Feminism has ruined human societies. The breakdown of traditional family values, family-oriented gender roles like males being the provider and females taking care of children, teaching women to be overly liberal and prioritize her own sexual pleasures instead of raising a family, teaching young people it’s cooler to chase their own selfish pleasures instead of raising a family, etc.
My husband and i have been married for 44 years. We raised 4 children together and both had very busy and rewarding careers. He is still the love of my life and i am grateful for every day we get to share. Yes romantic love is real. He still makes my heart flutter
Super interesting insight on South Korea. Thank you for making this video!
The titile of the video is "we're fucked", but the problem that the video describes is the opposite of that.
They get fucked but pulled out 😂
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I was thinking the same. 😂😂😂 If they f**ed more, they would probably have more kids 😂
I'm from Singapore where we also have one of the world's lowest birthrate after SK. We do not have the marriage traditions and customs, so for Singapore the main factor would be the astronomical cost of living.
Another factor is also the education level of the population, especially women. Today's women are far more educated than their mothers and grandmothers and have more options in life than just a wife/mother. If you do a survey between rural and urban areas of a country, it is also highly likely that the women in the city are higher educated in general and have fewer children. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% supportive of higher education for women, and my wife and I have no kids by choice (we are 53 this year)!
Good on you. Us too both childfree by choice and sterilised (to ensure that we would never have any "unwanted surprises"). We have the income and time to do exactly as we please and considering the catastrophic climate change previsions you'd have to be egocentric and ignorant to want to bring more innocent human beings into this massively overpopulated planet. Livin' n' lovin' the childfree life!
"More options in life than a wife/mother". Like what? Wage slave and other types of wage slave? Lucky you for having found a fun career that you enjoy for a time, but most people hate their jobs. Although you'll probably get sick of it later as it does happen to many.
"More options" While that is true, I doubt that's the reason. The problem is that higher education means it takes longer to start working, instead of starting at 19 people are starting working at 25. So they don't have any capital, new graduates don't make that much until they're 30+. So when they start making good money the window to actually have children is already starting to close. Even getting kids at 30 today is not as easy as it was getting them at 23 50 years ago.
Increased women's education also correlates highly with urbanization rates, so it may not just be that, but correlating factors.
So you are not helping the situation then. At least you prooved your point, your higher educated wife isn't having children. The higher educated women the less children they birth.
Well done analysis. The cultural aspects are complicated and fascinating. No silver bullets here. I’m glad I have grandchildren to enjoy
Romantic love does exist, this doesn’t mean every day our love is like those in the movies. My husband and I have arguments, days where we frustrate one another and literally want to throw a slipper at them. We are both financially well off (not from family background or generational wealth, just us working hard and saving) we don’t need to be together for that kind of support. But even though there are less than positive days, we have amazing time as well and understand true love is about choosing to love each other over and over again. When we die we want to take our last breath knowing we went through everything together. So yes, romantic love is real.
It is simple. Powerful people chose to make money on fear and exploitation instead of promoting quality of life and knowledge. Not all, but many
We have allowed sociopaths to dominate us. So has human society since the dawn of time.
@@aygwmSo...every thing is as it has ALWAYS been...no problem...
pleasure as well. so many people are willing to perpetuate the consumerist lifestlye and system. but we don’t have the limitless resources they dream of.
@@aygwm You mean psychopathy, not sociopathy. This only became a problem after we stopped becoming hunter-gatherers and became farmers instead. Psychopathy was kept in check when your "family" was at most 20 people.
Life has never been better, especially in South Korea. Remember, not long ago we lived in an agrarian pre-industrial society. People that criticise the modern world just have no clue how hard was life 50 years ago.
The traditions you talked about regarding yemul or the family involvement in marriage is the same in Morocco. Crazy how far away the countries are but the traditions are similar.
Yeah, almost like gift giving is a very natural thing to do for all social animals.
Population growth is so low due to high pressure of the competition and also to much Korea drama / film / movie things that become realize or not add the pressure in the mind. it's like someone has been left behind by others.
@jyannalee At last someone intelligent and experienced in South Korea's working system addressed the issue with some valid points covering different areas.
Romantic love to me is -> respecting partner's view, understanding their feeling, and communicating own view in the same manner to significant partner.
The government of Korea should pay they’re citizens to have babies Im down to have 10 kids like my grandmother did
@@galileagonzales6326 if goverment start to pay, people will start to have babies -> for the sake of babies -> not for the betterment of society. Government and people should work together to decrease inflation and pay well to each sector of the country.
@@snishan95 i know inflation is serious I literally work over time just to pay my bills but it isn’t enough
For me, this view is simply any interaction with another person. IMO, to be love the other one must be important to you and have trust and emotional support on each other (family, friends, partner) and for romantic love you must add intimacy (not only sex, huggs, kiss, touch).
@@galileagonzales6326 The SK govt AND some major companies paid people to have more kids, a $75k bonus in the case of one construction company to it's employees. It didn't help because while a one time cash bonus is nice, the issues are deeply systemic and recurring and if you don't address those, giving people money does nothing. In the case of that construction company again, if the $75k was being exclusively used for the child, that would only help for the first few years of its life. Without employee raises, decrease in inflated prices, or general increase in the quality of life (especially for women), just giving people a lot of money at once does nothing to help.
This is definitely becoming a global issue now.
Good
Singapore has been trying to tackle this lower birthrate for almost 40 years without success. There are 3 races here and the Chinese race has the lowest TFR at 0.81 in 2023. So the government quietly "import" people and grant them citizenship every year. Personally I do not see the situation improving.
Does that mean Singapore in the future has high odds of becoming an ethnically super-mixed (as in no one race has an absolute majority in the population) nation?
@@_master depending on the inmigrants, they will probably will be anexed by china in a couple of decades
@@_masterit's already that way. You go there and see equal share of Chinese, Indians, and Malays/other SE Asian people there.
@@_master that’s how SG has been like for decades. The actual native (The Malays) are now the minority group in SG now. Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, and Philippinos are the majority of the population.
@@manofsesame3024 Is that true? The stats show Malays still make up 15% of the population while Indians make up on 7%. You're right about Chinese though, they make up 75%
I’m a mom of teens. Most of my friends’ teens are saying they don’t have plans of getting married or ever having kids, opting to travel or be fur parents instead. My eldest is at least considering adoption, because he’s sure he wants to be a dad but isn’t sure he wants to be married or will find a wife. 😅
But things are really expensive now. I keep telling friends that our kids are probably not going to be able to afford to buy their own homes ever (at least in major cities).
I think what's happening in Korea is happening across many Asian countries. I am from India and I can related each and every part from marriage customs & cultural setup
It's happening in all developing countries. Western countries remedy this issue with massive amounts of migrants, East Asians don't. Under normal circumstances Asians have uh....no issues with reproducing big time.
And in Europe and OECD countries too! We’re all ageing. Voracious capitalism is decimating the middle class and is making it more and more difficult for working class people to live, work and have families.
Asianometry had a video suggesting that Taiwan/the ROC's low birth rate might also be a signal to its leaders that the people find their territory overpopulated. Meanwhile in Singapore if the birth rate is low the gov't will probably have more immigration, to keep the economy running amid an ageing population, & our population density might reach 10000 ppl/m^2 within 1 decade. Now that some forests are being replaced by more high-rise public housing to house the continuously increasing population, we might soon also see environmentalist join in the chorus & worry about the country becoming overpopulated
@@dunzhen Yup ,the Chinese population would have been doubling every century if not for the famines ,the civil war (Usually caused by the famines) or getting massacred by the mongols
I work for a Wall Street firm.Fidelity Investments says it takes $645,000 to raise a child from birth to Bachelor's degree. Most couples regardless of where they live don't have that kind of money available. It's probably even more if you live in Seoul or Busan. If you're going to get married,the husband needs to make enough money so his wife doesn't have to work unless she wants to.The problem is that the most affordable homes are not in Seoul,but the best jobs are in Seoul.It's the same here in the States. If you live in a rural area,your income is going to be abysmal, and when you're young you're not making enough to afford a home in an urban area.There's no easy solution.
Men and women are legally required to be paid equally but men are expected to pay for everything.
@@vaughnwilliams1208 MAN UP!
@@vaughnwilliams1208I mean if you’re asking for children to be created wouldn’t you want the man to have enough to support the family? America aren’t that supportive when it comes to mother/maternity leave. You have pregnant women fired for having simple pregnancies issues. So if you think about it… it sorta make sense
@@melteddarkchocolate000 Men always think of what's best for his family, women only think of what's best for her. You are typical example.
@@melteddarkchocolate000 go invest in your cats and box wines woman
Anna your voice and tone is really good for this type of content; as always I appreciate the research you have done, and how put together the video is overall 👏🏻👏🏻
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Honestly as a Korean I'm okay with the population decreasing, specially with the current culture that judges you based off how much material items you have and what you wear. Nah I'm okay with a society like that disappearing.
That's is why the Korean ethnicity will disappear on it's current trajectory. Whatever is left will be forced into some kind of new social order.
South Korea will probably be invaded if it's population drops too low. No one wants that.
Then perhaps you should try to raise the next generation to instill in those children the values you would wish to uphold? For if such a culture exists, it would be up to them to put an end to it, would it not?
In Canada i am college educated and my fields pay rate hasn't really changed in 15 years. Minimum wage has doubled. Every year i get closer and closer to making minimum wage for a college educated position while costs sky rocket. Who has money for kids in all that
Sounds Like you went to college for the wrong thing
damn bro, sounds like you chose the wrong major.
@@dgk6661 Somewhat yeah. Its happening to a lot of people I know in a lot of fields though. Personally I think they should be putting limitations on colleges/universities for taking students for programs based on need for workers. We have tripled immigration over the last few years and everyone in my age group is going to college/uni unlike other generations. There is just isn't enough jobs for the sheer amount of graduates and people we have.
Even the stats we see all the time talk about how there are jobs but fail to mention they are all part time min wage jobs that you can't support a family on.
Then we wonder why our birth rates are below replacement.
@@aba1design As your fellow countryman, I would have to agree, however, there are ways around it. First of all, look for somewhere small (like rural Alberta or one of the perrie provinces) like a small town which doesn't get a lot of attention and then see if perhaps they're looking for someone to fill in a position. Most of the time, your qualifications don't really matter, and if you were born in Canada, you'll probably find it easier to find some odd jobs, maybe even a potential partner who takes interest in you. It's all about getting out there and finding a community.
@@kalebthehistorian5928Rural areas have poor or no health care or hospitals. 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriages before Roe vs Wade these women often died. They are dying again. Women are dying from miscarriages, stillbirths, ectopic pregnancies, sepsis and having dead foetuses in them. Obstetricians are fleeing red states and white maternal deaths have risen 95 per cent in Texas since the abortion bans came in to effect.
I think love can be real. The issue is love does not mean the same for everyone. Love is a feeling, it was existed in pretty much every culture. Love I think is a fondness for another. Sometimes it's easy when it's new, harder as time goes by.
What is a feeling? A bunch of neurons and chemicals firing inside your brain and nervous system.
I have read that in parts of Italy about the closing of grade schools followed by those facilities being transformed into different types of elder care usage. Health care, housing & daytime elder care locations.
Yes, that's true, but these are kinder schools in rural areas, where people have moved to live in cities where it's easier to find work. However, Italy also has a fertility rate of around 1.2, which is better than 0.7, but still quite far from 2.1 for population stability. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with it; Italy is also overpopulated. It's composed of 59 million inhabitants, roughly the same as France, which, however, is twice as large in terms of territory.
Great. Elders are humans.
how come nobody talks about Italys dire birth rate
@@propertymanager9149 Many “first world” nations have birth rate issue. That includes most of Europe, China, Taiwan, Japan & Korea.
@@sisko212 Italy in not overpopulated and the average age here is almost 50. That means 50% of the population is not fertile, less productive and need healthcare and pensions. Who pays for the healthcare and pensions of the elderly? Young workers. Every single country that has too many elders and few youngsters is going to become poor and then extinct in the long run.
My wife I visited Korea 1.5 years ago with our 6 month old. Everyone purposely walked the entire subway platform to look at our baby. Some of them were saying they havent seen an infant at this age in forever. I will say that even though my wife and I work, it has been hard to make ends meet with one child after child chare, buying our home and 2 cars. We are better off than many but it is tough. Part of it is bc we had our daughter in our late 30s. We make more money than younger couples but we also were pretty set in our life style. Its not easy and we get annoyed with people who keep talking about the joy of parenting. We love our daughter and want to giver her everything she needs but its a lot of personal sacrifice. We understand why people dont want children. The problem with these political attempts is that it wont get people to want to have kids, it help those who already have kids and wanted kids. Money is a factor in rasing kids but it isnt a big factor in the decision to have kids. I dont know anyone who does not have children who says that they decided not to have kids purely bc of money. It goes deeper than money.
Here in Greece we have the same issue as well I can see a dramatic change in the following years
The more I learn about South Korea, the scarier it becomes. It is a hypercapitalist dystopia, where there are only a few rich people and the rest are like slaves, but they are not conscious of it.
Yes the people in South Korea are told that they are rich when they are poor. They make 10 times as much money as their parents but cannot afford anything.
That plus Confucian culture which allows the elderly to abuse married daughters and daughters-in-law. The culture around this is incomprehensible to people who haven't seen it first hand. It's not the standard of life that people expect from a modern, developed country. This is putting a lot of women off of marriage.
it is perfect capitalism beacuse of the sheeps........... they try so HARD to impress west that forget their OWN dignity as human beings
Calling Korea hypercapitalist is admitting you don't know the definition of capitalism. South Korea is a corporate oligarchy, which is what free markets devolve into when corporations succeed in capturing the public institutions that are meant to keep them in check. The problem is too much corruption, not too much capitalism.
the north is hypercommunist dystopia, the south is hypercapitalist dystopia, no inbetween haha these korean really build different
3 million won is about $2200. For context I spend that in a month on daycare. A one time payment of $2200 is a nice gesture but means absolutely fuck all over the course of an 18 year span.
If SK was actually serious about upping their birth rate it would be 3 million won a month, not total.
You're overpaying or your country is extremely expensive if that's what you spend on daycare.
Daycare in Oslo, the capital of Norway, is about $300 dollars per month (set to be reduced to $200 in august), and our daycare centers are staffed with many employees trained with at least 3 years of education in pre-school pedagogy.
@@theamici I'm American. Guess.
@@theamiciin’s it being subsidized with oil and gas money? Or is it being subsidized with the profits from you massive sovereign wealth fund?
@@theamiciin many countries, childcare is market based, and thus expensive.
Obviously $300 isn't the total cost. The state is paying the rest. It may even be more expensive if childcare is of such high quality.
I dated a 33 year old Korean girl last year and went our seperate ways this year. She didn't like that I was talking about the future and wanting to build a family even though I was more than capable of providing for a family (have my own home, car, good career etc.) so I think in my case it wasn't really a money issue, my theory is that all her friends are single, unmarried and also in their 30's, so she probably felt like she didn't need to settle down which is totally fine by me...glad I found out sooner and stopped wasting time on someone who has no intention of settling down.
I'm a 52 year old American, I never hooked up due to personal social issues, but, if I had gotten married, I wouldn't like the situation today. I don't have a solution for you. My plan is to live out of my SUV if I lose my job and can't find another job on time. I can't imagine bringing a child into this world in any country, even the States. A man is supposed to work a job and pay for everything like the old days, now a couple with 3-4 jobs between them are barely making it from what I've seen online. If the American dream becomes a nightmare, what future can there be but more nightmares in the real world? Take care.
You're the only elder if not 52 who understood, If life were easier nowadays, how come there are higher suic1de rates and lower birth rates? My parents and many boomer relatives said the same spiel, but their situation was still not enough for a higher suic1de rate and lower birth rate back then, cause all they needed was to get into a company.
If there wasn't internet nowadays to distract myself, I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
@@MangaGamified It's the unseen stuff we don't know that influences us, not just media that causes issues. Chow.
Youll still need to make money if youre livin in a vehicle
@@BluEx22329 my job has understanding people, they will allow me to work, been with them 6 years.
At least you have plan. Many more people can't even afford such plans.
Also, in the West you can skip all the rituals and associated costs/stress by just registering your marriage and leaving for honeymoon right away :)
한국에선 결혼식에서 모든 하객으로부터 돈을 걷습니다...^^ 누가 언제 얼마 냈는지 명부 작성도 합니다. 그걸 보고 가서 얼마를 낼지 결정 합니다. 혼인신고만 하고 예식을 안하고 신혼여행을 간다는건... $40,000 정도의 수익을 포기한다는 것과 같습니다.. (결혼식은.. 돈 버는 날이에요^^.. 순수한 외국인들... ㅋㅋ)
@@eashgha If what you said had been true and if that mentality had been commonplace ("marriage is not the time to leave for a honeymoon but to make $40,000 in profit" - your words), people in SK would have queued to get married. However, the video here is telling a different story.
Besides, you invest your savings in all the wedding arrangements first, then wait that a crowd of guests bring you the money back. Aha. Do they all have an obligation to show up as if they were conscripts? I honestly doubt it ;)
Anyways, thanks for saying straightforward to a stranger that in your personal view marriage is just a business venture. Quoting Hyeri - "Interesting" (C)
@@larularulei7533 구글에 한국인들 '결혼식 평균 축의금'
@@larularulei7533 1. 구글에 한국 ''결혼식 평균 축의금"
@@larularulei7533 구글이라도 검색해 보세요. 한국인들 평균 축의금 ㅅㄱㅇ
I love how you didn't just distill the issue as simply an economic problem (which, as you said, is a global issue). People don't understand how big of a factor the Korean culture is playing in this demographic crisis. As an Asian, I'm aware of the cultural examples that you shared but before watching this video, I didn't fully appreciate how big of an effect it results to when all of these cultural things are compounded on top of each other!
Every country where the majority of women have entered the workforce has experienced a declining birthrate. Yet nobody involved in discussion of this topic will address this glaringly obvious correlation. Working women are under substantial and increasing pressure to perform at a high level at work. They simply don't have the time, energy or desire to make babies, and who can blame them?
Not accounting for actual female nature, will sort itself out, as the consequences become real.
Well if the husband is making a huge amount of money to support an entire family, there's no way around that to ensure the kid's future. Countries with high birth rate always end up with either kids on the street, no education, high crime, poverty, etc..... The system which is based on infinite growth just can not work with limited resource.
@@vohoangnguyen4109 Wages in the US have not risen in relation to productivity. Women went in to the work force out of necessity.
Feminism and boss babes and the ongoing onslaught on the patriarchy is to blame.
Completely agree, I actually just googled this topic because I was curious why the birth rate was declining so hard and there were quite a few people who were putting all the blame on Korean feminism for the declining birth rate. Needless to say, I was shocked.
Now I’m an American dude who barely knows anything about Korea but while I won’t deny that feminism may play a role (a very minor one), it doesn’t take a genius to understand that there is much more at play here than just Korean feminism.
I sincerely hope that the situation improves in Korea for all people and they don’t work themselves to the bone.
I know people from Korea and I have also interned in Hong Kong and spoke to many of them about the catastrophically low birth rate. They told me that factors like the cost of living, housing prices, wages, job security, education costs, working hours, and just the environment in general make it very difficult if not impossible to have children and be able to adequately provide for them. This is especially given the school and work culture and environment are both extremely competitive and they want the children to be able to adequately compete to have a chance in life.
True. But wealthy people are still not having babies. The reason is because South Koreans and Japanese tend to be asexual. There are a lot of people who are asexual .
@@jacqueslee2592 No, believe me, the wealthy are definitely having babies.
They are lying. They are literally in richest countries where it's the easiest to provide. No one wants/loves/cares about children. Period. And to have children you need at least two people together who both want children.
@@jacqueslee2592 They are not asexual wtf are you talking about.
well school wont be competitve for long if there are very few children.
I think people underestimate this problem. A fertility rate of 0.7 is basically 1/3rd of replacement rate. Played out into the future that looks like 100 people having 33 children who have 11 grandchildren who have 4 great-grandchildren. South Korea basically won’t exist in three generations.
Besides society ALWAYS sees women with children as punishment. Even today one of sexist the insults is, get pregnant. They don't see children as positive thing.
This yr a direct reaction to all the abuse women got in the last 100 years.
Yep. Korea is dying. And it's more about the modern selfish self serving mentally than anything else
@@IndogaKirai😂😂😂😂
??? south korea will half in 100, HUNDRED YEARS, from 50M to 25M people, that is still a fuckton of people, and if slow growth contnue it will be 13M in another 100 years, idk man that is like ... at least 15 generations, and you know how fast humans can multiply in case it is needed
I think that romantic love is definitely real. The kind of love I feel towards my crush/girlfriend is definitely different to the kind of love I feel towards my best friend.
this seems a bit off topic. is this to response to something said in the video?
@@xybersurfer yes. This question is asked at the end of the video
I think the point made by the comment was what you feel towards your crush or girlfriend is a combination of the general love and sexual attraction.
@@justk.d3706 and my point is that it's not that. It's something different
@@sociolocomtsac a good gf will stick with you even if things get bad. Now, if you completely give up on everything and you don't even try to improve your circumstances, then yea, she might leave you eventually, but with a good gf it's not gonna be because of money, but because who wants a partner that completely gave up on life? Yes, I know depression can do this, but even a depressed person can wish to improve, can go to therapy (the gf could encourage you to seek help) etc?
As the population increases, so does the cost of home ownership.
When it gets too expensive alot of young people just give-up
Hi Anna! Great topic. I personally think the only way to increase birth rates around the world is if governments actually improve conditions for having and raising children. First, affordable living standards to encourage marriage. Affordable schools with adequate time for social/rest/downtime so people can de-stress from pre-k to college. Livable wages and salaries, better health care, and longer paternity leave. Incorporate more free or affordable third places so people can have places to take their families and friends. Also, combine childcare and elder care together. The children keep the elders young, and the young can learn from their elders. Finally, most importantly, in my opinion, focus on human relationships rather than technology that focuses on individuals.
But that's just my opinion and dreams.
Totally agree with your input. However, we live in such an entitled world today, I wonder if it's possible to enforce any of this.
This is almost what EU is and it doesn't work over there.
@@pinkypilotThe sense of entitlement is with the large corporations and the basic needs of civilians (healthcare, education, fair wages, and employment) go ignored.
Tell that to India
Coporations: Nuh Uh 💀
All North Korea has to do is wait.
That's what I was saying, too!
The Nork birthrate is declining as well but they're not speedrunning it like SK.
North Korea dont have babies either .... cultures shared by mainland china .... one child policy and all that bs
What's crazy about that is that even though South Korea's population decline is much faster, because of the decades of difference in overall wealth, they still have more children than North Korea.
North Korea is not having babies either and most people are malnourished.
I am a guy ethnic Korean, have lived in SK since 2016. Dated Korean girls, talked about the approach to relationships with different people including both guys and girls, and hear me out on this: Koreans on average have a skewed perception of dating, love, marriage, and what's normal in all these. Not even talking about the perceived "normal age" for marriage, that shit's rising up faster than inflation - in 2016 I heard something like 29, now I hear 33. I'm talking about... just being a nice partner to another person. 1) The whole young generation keeps telling each other that the way to get over the past relationship is to find a new one. Escapism and lack of responsibility at their finest. Relationships here either don't last at all and nobody fights for them or they last too long and people are just stuck with each other. 2) Koreans like to say "시간은 약이다", meaning "time heals all", which together with the fact that therapy is being looked down upon creates a shit ton of people with a shit ton of trauma and emotional baggage. 3) Culture of comparison. Compare everything and everyone. "Oh, my friend's BF gave her a Gucci bag, he's so nice!", and here you go, you're expected to outdo him as a guy. Also the same goes for "toxic traits" and red flags. God forbid you say the same thing as your GF's friend's ex said, you're fucked.
Some of my personal examples to illustrate: my ex's friend literally asked me for an advice on how to go about a guy pursuing her when she already was in a 3-year relationship. The relationship was dying, reportedly they had sex once a month, but she wanted to settle because she was pushing her thirties. Monkeybranching, essentially. On a separate occasion, my ex berated me for wanting intimacy because she compared our relationship with the friend's one and said "they have sex once a month so we should too, it's normal in Korea". Gaslighting 101. Crazy thing is all of her 5 friends had the same fucking scenario. The craziest thing, however, was when I realized that my colleagues and other Korean friends have the same mindset.
Someone said this already in the comments, but I’m also reminded of the phrase, “It’s hard to get animals to breed in captivity.”
My sympathies, mate.
Dead society, the North unironically is going to win, what a shitshow.
It's hard for me to imagine. I couldn't get a day off. Even when I was sick.
She is not that much into you and you probably don't do much for her to desire you .... genuine interest instead of me me me could do wonders
@elisalazar9880 womp womp ignored. Look in the mirror and see a truly mememe person for once in your existence
So much utter tosh is talked about the birth rate, no one in 1927 said - hey, unless we have an extra 6 billion people we are in trouble. The issue is more the ratio with old to young and the problem with how pensions are funded.
Love can happen when one understands oneself and is open to giving love. The feeling is mutual when the person opposite is also open to giving love. It's not about expectations of receiving anything back. In order for that to happen, the ego has to be forgotten. Love is very individual, and it depends on the person's life experiences. We, including myself, are living with our childhood traumas, and expressing feelings triggers them. It is hard to address negative emotions with words, especially if they are personal ones. Understanding is vital, one holding space in order for the other to heal and grow.
Trust, communication, and mutual respect are fundamental elements that sustain romantic relationships over time.
True. You can love a person and not be married. You can marry a person and not be in love with them.
Yayyy!!!! Anna is back with another deep dive video. Been waiting for this one since you told us on your past live streams. Thanks for all the statistics and clarification with the cultural aspects. 🙏✨
The Korean government need to bring at least the costs of housings down. Any form of incentives to promote having one or two child can only be effective if the housing and costs of living becomes more affordable for the newly wedded..
Yes or reduced rent cost and government kickbacks for families
Thank you for this! You really explain it well. It's never just one thing. It's always a range of factors compounded.
About your last question... if we consider human "subjectiveness", love may be either a construct or a real thing, therefore it's meaning is flexible.
My personal opinion (and you are free to disagree with it) is that love is a combination of 3 concepts linked together by respect. Those 3 concepts are friendship, care and lust. It is plastic, meaning that it will change from 33.333...% each to different percentages per concept
Sure there is romantic/passionate love (and other types of love couples can experience), but what I think you are probably interested in is marital satisfaction over time, where love is one of several factors contributing to that long-term satisfaction. Complicated!
Naw, catholic marriage vows are be with me rich or poor, sick or healthy. If you cant agree to that dont married. Just because you have wealth doesnt mean you cant lose it yet you made vows to be with person.
Current divorce laws and lack of consequence for cheating is recipe for the death of a society.
Romantic love is very real, but I feel the most is very unattainable. My wife and I met when we were both 14 years old and we immediately head over heels for each other. We married nine years later. Fast-forward another 11 years and we are welcoming our first child. The problem for us was not romantic love it was the economic situation here inAmerica. It took many, many years for us to feel comfortable enough to have a kid in this economic climate.
100%. Same story for me.
Congratulations on your fortunate love story and on your baby. I am older with 3 children who are now starting their own families. I would en outage you to have at least one more child, I spite of the expense. Children need siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles….. if everyone has only one child, this whole system breaks down and is not good for the development of the children. As I said I am older have and witnessed with problems very small families brings. This is more general advice to whoever reads this. Nothing personal.
@@TourdionInstrumental I'm actually older, too, and I have two children. We waited a long time to try to have one, and accidentally had twins. But I agree with you, despite the expense, it's better for kids to have a siblings and cousins, etc. It's actually sad seeing how few of those relationships my kids have.
My wife’s niece is from the Philippines and married a guy in South Korea. They have 2 kids and she’s an English teacher. Maybe there will be more of that in Korea.
I think the extreme urbanization especially with Seoul is the main problem hindering birth rates. It seems hard to raise children when millions of people are competing over the same housing area.
On the topic of "love and romance in relationships", there's an interesting audiobook by Mark Manson called "Love Is Not Enough" that talks about why relationships that only focus on attraction, chemistry and romance, may often be less healthy in the long-term, if neglecting compatibility factors and more of a value-based approach when forming deeper relationships.
You're absolutely correct, Love Is Enough that's why nobody's getting together because mostly everyone is all broke. Give humans some credit if they're struggling and can barely make your own bills what makes you think they're going to try to start a family.
The biggest reason for the plunge in Korea's fertility rate is not emotional. It is because of the price of a house in Seoul. When renting a house, the deposit is called jeonse, and it costs an average of 600,000 us dollars in Seoul. To purchase a house that is not rented, you need 1.3 million us dollars. Young couples cannot purchase a house to raise a child in Seoul with their income.
Try not all living in Seoul, problem solved
@@simonb4689Korean businesses are concentrated in Seoul. It is hard for young people to have decent jobs in the provinces except for public jobs.
@@DfddFdf-c7m oh I know, but if there isn't any workers available, they'll move, they'll offer remote working positions, etc. People have the power
@@DfddFdf-c7m make your own business? People somehow settled entire cities with no "concentrated business" around and good jobs
@@simonb4689 "They move"? Really? Like shipyard industry will move? Right? Like all of manufacturing engeenering and all stuff around it... will move? 😆
This is happening everwhere not just S. Korea
They the the worst case,
South Korea is the most extreme. Europen countries are at 1.5-1.6. Korea at 0,7.
India 🗿
Very informative
She rasisd a few points i hadn't considered.
Like what
I'm reading the comments in KOREAN, and it seems that there's more nuance to this. I would rather hear from a Korean woman who was born and raised in Korea to give a better perspective.
But the entire developed world has the same problem. The overwhelming likelihood is that the root cause is going to be something that is present in all developed nations. There may be different cultural devices that slow or accelerate the problem in one country vs the next, but those will not be the true cause. If a Korean person starts talking about something that only exists in Korea, then we know that what they are discussing is not the cause of the problem, because Italy, Japan, and the US have the same problem. We are looking for a mechanism that exists in all nations once they become "developed".
@@darriuscole8544 Yes.
Although, when it comes to demographics, differences in fertility rates among developed countries are big enough to make a very big difference to how badly things are going to turn out, how quickly.
Countries more developed than Korea have fertility rates two or more times higher (similarly for China, Taiwan, Singapore. Even Vietnam, Thailand, etc, are now losing fertility faster than even their North East Asian neighbours have done (yes, it's true. They're just starting from higher levels, so it isn't as visible yet).
Imo, the sharper the collapse in fertility as countries develop, (or more directly, as women gain more control over their choices), the more we're seeing the unmasking of what were historically the cultures where women's reproductive choices were most 'imposed on them' externally (basically, the more extremely conservative and patriarchal they traditionally have been).
The video makes this point. Even today, Korean women are under much more demanding expectations regarding marriage and child-bearing, even as they have gained the option of 'opting out' faster than virtually any society on Earth (in the form of control over their own resources)
Western countries developed much more gradually, so the culture had more time to 'loosen up', so to speak, so the collapse has been more moderate.
If South Korea is to survive (literally), their only hope, imo, will be to bite the bullet and seriously re-examine the kinds of suffocating cultural norms discussed in this video.
There are some signs this is underway lately, out of sheer necessity, bordering on national panic.
If not, and contrary to popular belief, the future of Koreans lies in the North (with one of the highest fertility rates in East Asia, two and half times higher than the South).
"The future belongs to those who show up"
Actually this girl us bad. I am not Korean but worked their 7 years. I see so much what she says as bs, irrelevant and while maybe issues in USA, they dont in korea.
That's interesting but she was mostly raised in the uk, she got famous when she started reacting to uncle Roger videos about fried rice and other stuff.
@@sagepirotess6312 such as?
Pretty amazing video about most interesting topic in South Korea, and it is so well made!!! Nowhere else and no one provided all this deep insight into SK society. Thank you so much!!!!!!!❤🎉😂😂
There is a misconception that surprise proposal means surprise intent to marry in the west. The couple would have already expressed to each other their intention to marry each other, and then the actually asking, with the bent knee and elaborate setting is traditionaly left to the man to plan. But the woman will already know that he will eventually propose, just not when and how.
For many traditional people, asking the father of the bride for her hand in marriage is also expected before the proposal.
I want to talk about the percentage of women who never have kids in different countries. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world at 0.72, but Japan has the most women who never have children. Women who reach 50 without having kids are called "lifelong childless."
Last month, the OECD said 28.3% of Japanese women born in 1975 were childless by age 49. This is the highest rate among OECD countries, where the average is 16.2%. So, about 1 in 3.5 Japanese women never has a child.
Usually, developing countries have more births and fewer childless women than developed countries. This means Japan likely has the highest rate of childless women in the world.
After Japan, Spain (23.9%) and Italy (22.5%) have the next highest rates of lifelong childlessness. South Korea (12.9%) is seventh, behind Germany (4th), France (5th), and the UK (6th), but still less than half of Japan's rate.
The difference between South Korea and Japan shows that even though South Korea has a lower birth rate, more South Korean women have at least one child compared to Japan. This is because more Japanese families have multiple kids. Willem Adema, an OECD economist, says, "In South Korea, the cost of raising kids is so high that many families only have one child, while in Japan, families often have 2-3 kids."
In summary, Japan's higher birth rate compared to South Korea is due to more families with multiple kids. But, Japan also has a much higher percentage of women who never have children compared to South Korea.
I grew up with 4 siblings. Because of age gender hobby and academic interest differences we were all very different growing up. This and the close proximity forced us to interact daily with people different from us and their friend groups. It was probably the single biggest factor in our social development and emotional stability. Not having a lot of kids to socialize with is extremely damaging to the few kids around. This is a compounding issue.
I personally believe in romantic love because I am an emotional person. However, I have never dated before because I have always been too busy dealing with other things in life
This is incredibly accurate and well explained
Came across this suggestion from one othe other YT video: decentralize Seoul. You cannot run a whole country from one city and not expect hosuing prices to be litrally astronomical.
Honestly, it sounds like the SK government has already found what the issue IS, they're just not doing enough to combat it. Like you said, most people actually WANT to have kids, they just don't have the money/time/mental state. This is true in the west, and it sounds like it's WORST in SK (and I think Japan?). Raising a family takes time, money, and not being stressed out of your mind from a neverending high-octane ratrace.
If you (general "you", not you, Anna "you") want higher birthrates, what you need to do is kick out this notion that a person's value is tied to their productivity and net worth, because having kids negatively impacts both by a lot. This means you need to give them more free time (ACTUAL free time, not time that people feel they need to spend taking courses to increase their value as an employee or the like) and give them a better income-to-expenses ratio. Like, houses costing 1M versus an income of 34k is an absolute non-starter, for example.
You give people financial security, free time, and a relaxed mental state, and you get babies.
In Japan, the birth rate is poor, about the same as in Spain or Italy. But only South Korea has literally zero birth rate.
I don't think it's just that. Maybe that explains why, in 2022, Japan was at 1.26 & China's at 1.09, but SKorea's was at 0.78 in 2022. So there's something different about SKorea.
@@FakeAccount-px7mdThe main difference is geographic. Korea has mountains everywhere, which leave only a few patches of urbanizable areas that are kinda isolated. This has generated a forced localization of business in a single megacity.
And because a big portion of the population lives in Seoul, the housing prices have skyrocketed.
Not to mention there's a strong oligopoly going on in Korea, a few companies make up most of the countries economy. And they decide the prices of their products as they wish, because the government tries hard to avoid foreigner companies to have direct competition with local business, protecting the oligopolies
I don't think everyone wants to have children if you clearly have a society that thanks to the world crisis and inflation doesn't have the budget, but it's obvious that we all know Korea is a patriarchal society, where women are treated badly and women don't have the same rights as other countries, obviously they are not going to think about forming a relationship and consequently a family... I live in a country with a lot of insecurity and inflation, yet people have a lot of children
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Japan is always mentioned when the birth rate is discussed but Japan is far better than Korea. Japan's birth rate is 1.26, and Japan's population is more than twice that of Korea to begin with. And many Western countries only look better on the surface because they have large numbers of immigrants. If immigration were removed, the birth rates in these countries would be the same as or lower than Japan's. But Korea, unfortunately, has fallen to a level from which it can no longer recover.
I did my part. I married a South Korean women and we have a kid. Fighting.
😂😂 mixed kid
@@aena5995 Yeah, as many as I can afford.
Mixed children are not saving the Korean people. You did nothing to help them.
Did you find it difficult to find a white partner so you went to Asia? Or was it a longstanding fantasy of yours?
In Summary
-Women are hesitant about marriage and having children due to concerns that it could add significant challenges to their lives, especially when societal expectations often require them to balance financial independence, childcare, and family responsibilities.
-Men are increasingly reluctant to marry, citing concerns over unfair marriage laws and societal expectations that pressure them to prioritize work and assume the role of primary provider, even when their partners also contribute financially.
Technically you need over 2 kids per woman to keep a steady population. The actual rate is 2.1 too keep it steady. It sounds like growth, but even 2.02 is not enough to grow or even keep a population steady. The reason for this is you have to account for kids who die young or those who die without having children as well.
Excellent reportage. Romantic love definitely exists, I have been fortunate to experience it, however not all people are open to it.
People who say romantic love doesn't exist are the people who have never felt it
All very interesting, and it all makes sense except for one thing: why should the cost of housing, marriage, and children be relatively higher today than in the past, when we were all much poorer? Maybe building technology hasn't improved dramatically, but it still improves.
Compatibility of two people working together to win in life.
Cost of life is too high...
I think the best step is to revamp the education system first and bring in a new one with more emphasis on values like importance of every living soul , empathy , human relations..The over competitive foundation during schooling is what generates individualistic and unhappy adults later because they fail to realise that the true value of human life is much beyond comparing yourself to others or competing with them in everything
I agree that the education system sounds soul-sucking and there doesn't seem to be a reason why it is that way. I was a straight-A student, so if I had grown up in Korea I probably would have unquestioningly been studying my school years away and doing nothing else. Only when I became an adult could I recognize that the grade itself is less important than what you are learning for yourself. So I agree that the education system seems more harsh than necessary, and that people should be able to make a decent living without a college degree, like many of my friends do in the US.
@@gudrun5531 I can't understand why young adults, knowing all this, will walk away and give up hope of any future rather than work to make the necessary changes they KNOW need to be made. Is the elder's imposed cultural norms SO strong that young adults refuse to make the changes?
Brilliant comment…!
The biggest reason for the plunge in Korea's fertility rate is not emotional. It is because of the price of a house in Seoul. When renting a house, the deposit is called jeonse, and it costs an average of 600,000 us dollars in Seoul. To purchase a house that is not rented, you need 1.3 million us dollars. Young couples cannot purchase a house to raise a child in Seoul with their income.
They teach these already, there’s so much emphasis on these topics recently that children need to go to core subject academies to cover materials that will be in their school exams.
We have a similar decline in my family in the US. My grandparents on both sides, combined, had a total of 7 kids (3.5 birth rate). Those 7 kids had 14 kids (2.0 birth rate). Those 14 kids (my generation) had 15 kids (.93 birth rate), but 7 of those were from just one of my cousins who is a very devout Catholic. Without her my generation of siblings and cousins would have a birth rate of just .57 and 8 of us are childless. Almost all of us are married and past child-bearing years, the youngest of us turning 40 this year.
The main difference is that the US population isn't going into an unsustainable decline because of this, since the US is one of the most popular immigration targets on the planet. So the US can bring in people from outside. This is true for more modern western countries too. South Korea and Japan can't. Both the culture and legislation is outright hostile to foreigners permanently settling in and getting citizenship.
Your math doesnt add up..if 14 people produce 15 kids its more than 1 per couple not less
@@herbayum76Yes it is more like 1.07 birth rate
@@Warfoki Biden “Japan, China, Russia, India have too few immigrants.”
immigrants ratio
- the US: 15.3%
- Russia: 8.0%
- Korea: 3.7%
- Japan: 2.2%
- India: 0.4%
- China: 0.1%
@@Warfoki the west isnt solving the issue they are just importing people from the third world and we all see how that is going
Inflation is depriving everyone's lives, the core issue is inflation led property prices, no money no kids, how difficult is that to understand?
i am 37 years old indian guy i had a big accident 3 years ago i was depressed but this year i am feeling positive i quit smoking lost weight and i think i can make come back in life if i can do it others can also do it just dont give up hope life can change
Do you smell like curry?
It’s not a Korea issue is a foreshadow of what’s going to happen globally. At least Korea will be ahead of the game and will adapt to it before every other country. All organisms and systems adapt it doesn’t necessarily mean it bad thing. Maybe environment will be healthier maybe there will be a more aggressive AI adoption to replace labor, maybe inflation gets corrected etc it’s all how you approach, adapt and deal with it good or bad.
There can be no adaptation to a fertility rate of 0.7. If this continues, South Korea will collapse.
This a selection event in evolution. Looks like only the onces who try to have kids will reproduce in Korea. Currently only 35 kids for every 100 adults. Your watching history being made. The Fall of Rome. The fall of Byzantium. A Black death of the mind? Or a Black Death caused by femminsm? Only 9 countrys are above replacement level this year.
We don't need all that labor to begin with. South Korea, like every western country, is vastly overproducing.
@@theamici you are the labour you are talking about. Are you from a Nobel family or political leadership? The top 1%? Then you are the labour.
Korea will adapt OK ..not particularly great. The West solves the issue with massive immigration, which has been a great help, but the issues from it will increasingly be clear...even get worse
늘 경쟁하느라 신경이 곤두서있는 국민들은 결혼도, 아이를 낳을 심적 여유도 부족합니다. 작은 도시에 많은 인구가 모여있는 물리적 환경도 그러하구요. 강한 의지를 가지지 않으면 결혼도 출산도 힘든 상황같아요.
Exactly, it's the competition that's at the base of all of the issues.
Dude Anna you blew up. I remember seeing your Channel when you were a youngsterr starting your channel
I think romantic love is real - but maybe not so common. I imagine it being a strong 2-way bond that includes physical and psychological attraction between both people. What we seem to run into more often is pieces of that without the complete whole, or situations where 1 side feels strongly but the other side doesn't.
As far as how to fix the birthrate... Speaking as a millennial who has yet to marry myself, governments will need to make drastic changes to make it more affordable to most people. I know Korea is especially bad in the cost category, but it really impacts people in many countries - if it takes two full time career salaries to afford a home, there's nothing left to afford all the related expenses for raising a kid, let alone time to parent them.
Some Koreans argued that about 690,000 Korean babies per a year couldn’t be born because of the abortion.
As unwanted, orphaned childs would be the right answer...
If that was, then why would coreans not adopt in bulk?
Wealth inequalities are the issues.
12:19 if this is an informative video, you can't conclude that based on your opinion without providing numbers. But also i think it is a bit insensitive to call radicals to women to have taken such decisions because they have been victims of abuse. I'm sure there must be ones who are really radicals, but doesn't mean the whole movement is all radicals who just hate men. Being empathetic is key in this case.
Yes they are all radical. I was abuse by one man, so i’m parttaking in a movement that destroys everyone including myself. Any group of men practicing the same ideology would instantly be called a terrorist organization. It’s dudes like you that enable the nonsense. In most cases they never had the abuser brought to justice, they chose the person, and ignored the red flags, they forgone the men who are not abusive to be with that abusive man. So now the world has to suffer because those women refuse to get therapy for their trauma. We offer no understanding to men who suffer abuse. R Kelly was molested by his aun’t, yet that’s barely even touched when discussing his “sex cult”. P diddy is currently under fire, but no one is discussing the people who abused him in the music industry. These men are held accountable for their actions. So how in the hell should we not see these people who engage in this movement as different. Hitler was a victim of discrimination, yet is vilified in history. Hitler was an aspiring artist who wanted to attend a art institute, yet was denied because he wanted pure Jewish, he was half. But that’s not even in history books, we are taught that hitler was bad end of story. So with that same logic, we should treat feminists with these practices the same as we treat men with extremist ideas. To keep it a buck women are way worst dictators than men. Elizabeth was a queen who killed virgins and bathe in their blood, to preserve her youth.
Being a part of such movement is radical and everyone should be able to identify which people are radicals, but I don't think it's being insensitive to call them radicals as long as you understand that they are human beings just like everyone and their experiences in life have steered them into being radicals.
Many people seem to de-humanize radicals or simply reject and ignore their views, when in reality they should be interacting genuinely with them because through them one can find out the failures of our systems which need to be adressed in order to stop radicalisation.
@@jdhabdsudcbld here’s the problem with your analysis of radicals, also should be included are fanatics, zealots, they really don’t support the cause as much as their actions are in support of their cause. Their extreme behaviors and actions often are masked by the cause. They want the excuse to be radical. In every cause or political movement, ideology, religious practices, etc. they exist, example, there’s soldier who use war time to torture, steal, grape(minus G) and pillage noncombatants, which is why we have the Geneva convention. They are often too extreme for even the leader and other members of the movement. This brings me to my ultimate point, and a radical group of people are unapologetic about their radicals, extremists, fanatics, zealots, then the rest of us people who may not support their cause, or are indifferent are in danger. Accountability is important so is restraint. When a group displays radical ideologies and takes extremes as regular practices of their group, like human rights violations, mass murder etc, they are simply a threat to humanity and need to be stopped. You have people that want to see the world burn; no matter their reasoning why, when they have reach that level of thinking, they are a threat to everyone. No fraction or hive like cult thinking that puts human life and rights in jeopardy in it’s regular practice ever needs to be studied.
It's by its own admission a rad fem movement. Last report was in 2019 having 4000 members in a country of 51mil. You tell me. They are the ideological mirror of MGTOW who get ridiculed all the time because they also gave up due to the way dating turned out and their own unfortunate experiences with women. The point is, both sides of them should've realized they just ran into bad people and kept it moving like everyone else not label an entire side.
There's a korean woman in the comments here saying she isn't getting married because she will be expected to be a parenting machine, overworked, and mistreated by her husband's family. Does that sound like a rational person or someone who needs to see a therapist? Blanket assumptions are never healthy.
Let's flip that on its head. Imagine a man saying "I'm not getting married because women don't care about your feelings, only care about how much money you bring to the table then will destroy you in family court as soon as they aren't happy." That's their male equivalent. They're bitter.
Hi Anna, interesting video but I would avoid using terms such as 'the west' (what you really mean is UK/US). Many western countries such as Italy, Poland, Argentina and others are deeply traditional and parental approval is ingrained in the courtship process. Equally, many 'Eastern' countries such as Thailand or Japan place very little value on parental approval. What you are describing is Confucian (i.e Heavily influenced by China) vs Anglo-Saxon (US/UK/AU/NZ) dominated countries rather than the much larger and more diverse west and east.
Yes,but there children up for adoption?
Exactly
You think adoption is what people want?
Yea, people definitely want to look after other people responsibilities.
They main reason why it's a concern is because the government can't tax people who aren't spending.
In my honest opinion it is the practical disconnect between the emotional factors for relationships and the more transactional activity of a marriage. It causes uncertainties in both aspects for both genders to decide for children.
Anna, I really enjoy these more 'investigative' series. I loved your first one. Please do more. Yes, while the 'transactional-seeming' marriage matching might seem odd to Western tastes frankly it is an in-between ground between more directly arranged marriages of India (yes, changing) and the 'romantic' marriages of the West. Actually makes sense and as long as there isn't forced pressure it could be fine. To me this world-wide phenomena is not a mystery as the rise of income inequality. USA technically has higher income inequality than SK, but there are other factors at play as well. But love these series and keep it going to balance out the less serious videos, which are enjoyable!
Arrange marriage today is similar to what 'Trancstional seeming' as described in video and not like marrying some stranger that somebody people meet on their wedding day. That kinda of arranged marriage is what happened in grandparents times, not today. Arrange marriages still happen in India, and it doesn't mean marrying some stranger without first meeting them or consenting to the marriage. Arrange marriage doesn't mean some forced marriage with some stranger. People meet lot of potential partners and eventually decide for themselves, if they want to marry them or not.