I support the 4b movement. I believe that women should completely live in their own corner of society and be completely independent needing no man. Certainly have nothing to do with horrible, horrible men. Men will get by 🥲but women will thrive 🦄as they finally embrace all the infrastructure jobs 🛤 that they never have had to do and have been deprived of and thus they can embrace their inner beauty. I'm confident the women will do better separate than men as any reality shows or real life itself has shown the same. Women are stronger than men. Go 4B!
Such a dumb passive aggressive comment. Maybe men should pay back women for birthing them, and motherhood you're indebted to your mom. Also, most people who take care of the vulnerable are women : nurses, doctors, people working with aging people, it's women. No man will take care of you as you age, that's why men are so scared of dying single, they know they're far too selfish to be nurturing.
We do thrive without you and science has proven that. You, however, live longer when women are around. Damn, sucks when science proves your ignorance wrong
From her site "My dedication and passion for this work was birthed from becoming the victor over my own complex trauma experiences including incest, narcissistic parents, repeated sexual assaults, religious brain washing, death of my daughter, full hip replacement, clavicle repair and more." She was violated by men (man) in her family and not protected by her parents. Do not let her families crap bait you
Have you looked at stats on violence and rape? Men, specifically ones that women are personally close to, are the #1 perpetrators of sexual violence. I speak to the 90% of women and 80%of young girls around the world, who have been sexually violated by men. I PROUDLY share my story of transformation so those women and girls may have a chance at life too.
This woman can say women will be ok with emotionally expressive men. Most men are acting from their own personal real world experience of knowing this is literally not true. Women react poorely to their male partners showing negative emotion. If that wasn't enough, we know this is the case psychologically as well. Science has literally meassure the responses to both male and female pain, and male crying is seen as unconfortable and disturbing by both men AND women. Whereas female tears trigger a nurturing response from both men AND women. Meaning, a portion of it is literally biologic. Facts don't care about your feelings.
Yup, more than once when I have shown too much emotion with Women I have been with they suddenly stop talking to me or suddenly tell me they are breaking up with me. We notice these patterns
Please define “negative emotion”. Many women experience negative emotions in the form of violence, yelling, threats of violence, etc. OR they experience a man emotionally dumping on her because he doesn’t understand how to feel through them himself. Now if a man were not any of the two above examples and was great at feeling and expressing himself, he’d communicate something like, “I’m feeling really pissed about your reaction earlier and I need some time to cool down and talk it through with you. Could we talk in x amount of time?” That shows her that: 1. Your pissed 2. You’re taking responsibility for your emotional reaction and waiting to respond when calm 3. You gave her a time to reconnect It’s a simple way to acknowledge the feeling, go find your way to process it so that isn’t taken out on her, and then come back to find resolution. Here’s the thing: if she is still unable to come back to loving relating and continues in the pattern, YOU now have the choice to stay in the situation, or remove your presence. No victims, only solutions. Her inability to be emotionally responsive in healthy ways is a sign of her unresolved emotional crises as well. It works both ways. And still we come to the larger issue at hand: the majority of men are spiritually and emotionally underdeveloped, and it’s rooted in childhood issues. These unresolved issues have impacted how men show up in the world because that’s how trauma and mirror neurons work. We reflect to the world what has been done to us, by how we treat others in our life. When the vast majority of women are feeling unsafe, it is an issue the men get to look at collectively. It starts with listening to what women have to say, and asking what it’ll take to build trust back up. Yes, trust needs to happen on both sides, and you get to do the work of finding the safe humans to increase your emotionally intelligence with.
@@peopleofearth6250 asking clarifying questions and challenging his way of being is not dismissive, its what adults do… they talk things out and come to reasonable solutions. Unlike the patriarchy who has historically started wars to get their way… and then beat down feminine expression in the process. It’s ironic you’re upset about a situation men largely contributed to. Sounds like you should do something about it… or not and just be decentered
@@kellyloverewilding You aren't talking things out though. You're just expressing contempt for male emotions which you then blame men for, because of course you do. All bigots blame the targets of their bigotry for their bigotry. You are no different.
Sigh. Already in your response to the first criticism you deflect and miss the point, known to all generations until recently, that women and men do not act the same. That man, right or wrong, complained that if a man shows feelings, a woman will think him weak. Your response opens with, "do you think that when a woman shows feelings, she is being weak?" That is deflection. He did not say what men think of women showing feelings, he made a claim of what women think of men showing feelings. The one does not require the other. This is a dishonest way to begin your assessment. As it happens, I think he is both right and wrong. He's right, in that women [not just today] say a lot about how they want their men to show feelings and be vulnerable, to a degree so absurd that they expect it even when the man feels fine and there is nothing in particular to have feelings or be vulnerable about, but they will poke and poke anyway and, on receiving some feelings, will re-evaluate their man as weaker than they want. Not all right away, to be sure, but it starts a process. He's also wrong if he assumes this is true at all times for all women with all men. A relationship built over time and on a strong foundation can and does find the woman being more supportive than this. A man would then have to fall very far for the woman to switch into "I'm not your mother" mode. Heck, if the cause is good enough [say, crippling physical injury], a good woman might even stick around and live up to "in sickness and in health". It's just harder to find her than it once was.
Here’s the thing: men can say all day women don’t want vulnerability and will hurt them if they are. Alright, that is true sometimes. And it’s also still true that there are millions of women asking for something different and willing to come to the table and have a conversation abiut how to change things. I am literally swimming in a community of men and women doing this type of work with men. What I DONT hear from men on RUclips specifically, are their suggestions on how to rebuild trust. I hear excuses of why they won’t. Alright, so don’t. But don’t complain about the consequences when we say we’re not willing to move forward with the elephants in the room. All of my responses have remained consistent in focusing on how to rebuild, and unfortunately that also means looking at the ugly truths. Either you will listen to our requests and we’ll make changes together, or you keep doing yo thang and we’ll do our thang.
@@kellyloverewilding I do not quite understand what more you want men to concede in the name of trust. Gradually, men are ceding control and are also being pushed out completely out of areas they used to dominate, schools, psychologists, recruitment etc. While there is a push to get more women in STEM there is none to get men in CARE. There are plenty of men today who are in touch with their feminine side but these men have not been successful despite what they have been told. I genuinely want to know what in actionable terms is what you are expecting. Men like me who have never imposed the patriarchy on women, and who in fact have grown up seeing them men being dominated by the women in the household are utterly perplexed. Women faced centuries of much fewer rights and yet civilization flourished and now that they do have rights, trust with men is broken. That makes no sense: the trust ought to have been broken centuries ago and we ought to have all perished. Instead, we will perish now at the zenith of technology and egalitarian rights. Men are being told to rebuild trust when they have spent decades following every instruction in the trust rebuilding playbook, conceding their advantages one by one. "you keep doing yo thang and we’ll do our thang." I totally can get behind that statement, as long as my tax does not go to your thang. Even if it does, fine, as long as you don't bother me, I won't even look in your thang's direction, rest assured.
Women love to put words in someone elses mouth, so they can argue against those words they inserted. Complete disregard and disdain for actual straightforward communication. Projection of an unhealthy mind.
1st reply, ain't nobody talking about what we think of women who show emotion. What we are talking about is how women view men who show emotion 2nd reply physical strength has nothing to do w/ enotional. We can't trust to let our emotions around you because you use them against us. As far as you living in vulnerability, that's your own struggle, do we tell you to toughen up when you speak with us? No we let you be who you are and we expect the same respect 3rd reply gaslighting and refusing to acknowledge typical female behavior towards men
@@Alarik52got it. I miss Kevin Samuel’s. She’s a victim of incest. She mentioned on her site. Instead she’s lashing out at all men when her parents failed her.
I don’t really have a dog in this fight as I’m already married with kids. BUT- at least in the west, these men often have their masculinity suppressed and multiple negative relationships with women (moms who didn’t connect with them, female teachers who stifled their need to move, girls who teased them and rejected them continually) Often not only do men have really hurtful experiences with women, but they also are a part of a society that has such a bias towards women. Our culture doesn’t care about mens pain nearly the way we care for womens pain. When you dangle love in front of men without offering to earn their trust first, you come off as a snake oil salesman or worse. If the goal is to establish relationships then extending an olive branch in a way that the other party finds disagreeable just won’t work. All the worse to announce that you’ll refuse to engage in relationships. The 4B movement seems to be great at making the societal problems of division worse.
How will you be part of rebalancing the obvious distortions? Yes, men have had their feelings hurt, and women have been killed. The facts are that physically men are volatile because they haven’t matured emotionally or spiritually Your own statements show that Did women contribute… sure, but remember most women were forced to shut down their own sensitivity to be safe, so how can they pass onto their children what was not allowed for them. Men need to recognize they’ve done some serious damage, and now women are expecting better I’m not accepting excuses to remain a childish man anymore
@@kellyloverewilding no this is an incorrect assumption "The facts are that physically men are volatile because they haven’t matured emotionally or spiritually" no that is not true. Men live with the understanding that physical violence is the ultimate threat in interactions with any man. This is how God made it. This tension and understanding is what creates peace between tribes and borders and locked doors. Its what creates the place for women to exist in peace and to be safe in being vulnerable during pregnancy and to feel safe with the kids. If you measure men by the same standards as women and men comply. then that family/village/tribe will be overrun by men who understood Gods assignment. Men are not broken women. There is no evolving out of being masculine, masculinity is earned with blood by every man on his own and with other men. Christ came with a sword. God condemns the wicked and soft. The men who dont keep borders or keep their wives in line and do not protect their children and their family are soon devoured by the state or condemned by God. Men have not done serious damage. Men have built this world. The western mens biggest sin is allowing their families to be co-opted by the state. Feminism is rooted in the occult and communism and some men failed to beat that system down before it took root in the west. They fell asleep at the gate. The solution is not men becoming like women. The solution is women learning to cooperate with men and to stop fighting against the men who are handling the challenges of masculinity. Cooperate with the men who will fight against the oppressive state. Women need to become mothers and stop listening to occultest like you, who hate Gods order All of your comments are like one giant "sh&t test" to see if the men can actually protect you and are they trustworthy enough that you can let go and be a female, a mother, and wife knowing the man will protect her. Your words are just silly, saying men should emote like women and relate to the world like women. this is how we got here. woo woo spiritual shamans like you are not doing Gods work. You are playing for the other side. God made man and women perfect. there is no evolving into something better than how God made us. There is just doing the work he assigned us each as individuals.
@@egdapo you tell me YOUR solution of how men and women get past their mistrust and heal. I’m all ears. ruclips.net/video/QhfqTi8x-HQ/видео.htmlsi=5xR_bd9IlvMejki9
@@kellyloverewilding I’m rebalancing the obvious distortions by taking each individual as they are: an individual. I’m not going to make sweeping statements about refusing to engage with half the population that I’ve never even shaken hands with. Let me ask you a question. Do you think if men said “I will not engage with women until they change how poorly they act. They’re a bunch of whiny infants and they do not deserve my love and attention as they are now. Women must change” Would that be a good way to connect with you? Or would that maybe cause you to reject people who say those things? Honestly, the men who are cruel for the sake of being cruel will not be deterred by your movement, just as they’re not deterred by laws or ethics. The men who are injured but have good hearts and need an olive branch of hope from women will reject your movement because you’re generalizing them and not treating them as equals. You’re taking a stance of a cold mother by scolding them and withholding affection from an entire group who never asked for your love to begin with, but who are desperately hoping for love someday. You’re going out of your way to make a statement of rejection to a huge group of human beings who are low on hope. Some of whom are already reeling from actually putting themselves out there and being rejected cruelly. Now they’re being rejected by strangers. What’s left for a human being when they live an entire life of being pushed away? Like I said, I’ll be treating each person I meet as an individual. To change the world you really must just work on the people in your life. The people you actually touch. It’s not as flashy as making a video for millions to see- but it’s much more honest and effective. I am more likely to have a positive emotional impact on a man at the grocery store by exchanging a kind word than you are by sending this video to millions. I don’t say that to be cruel, I’m saying it because that is how human brains work. We’re dealing with human love and hope- extend a hand, don’t isolate and punish people you’ve never met. But if your intention is to divide and increase stress between men and women you will be successful. I do want to end by saying that I can see where you’re coming from- you’ve seen injustice and you want to correct it. I agree with you, and I’m on your side. This movement may feel good to be a part of because it feels good to do something big when you notice a big problem. I wish there was a less mundane fix for this social injury. A broken bone knits back together cell by cell. A divided society is the same. We are the cells. If you want to mend society you join hands with those around you. Talking about withholding love will not increase love in the world.
I think you missed the point of that first guy. He didnt say that he thought women were weak for showing emotions, merely that women see men as being weak when they show emotions... nice puffy strawman, though.
Doesn't matter if you explain that, if an explanation requires a women's accountability or them to be a victim it's literally not possible for them to comprehend what you mean. Men are not capable of hurting or being victim, they must coddle women every step of the way, like children
I didn’t miss anything, and I’m saying that’s a lame excuse because if you live out the excuse, then you’re living in a distorted emotional response In fact, it is the epitome of an emotionally triggered response to continue to shut down your emotional nature because of any excuse, and you men are so far disconnected from your bodies that you aren’t even AWARE that you’re emotionally triggered or traumatized. Big issues to heal when men can’t even FEEL!
@@kellyloverewilding not every man shuts off their emotions, many process them without you simply because their lover is also emotionally unavailable lol. I'm a solid healed individual and have a step by step psychological process for all my emotions, my neuroticism has went from 99% to 7% after using such methods. CBT, DBT, ACT, FAP, Schema therapy, Detachment, ego and experience processing, knowing the very core meaning of an emotion and connecting it to the trigger, challenging black and white thinking and accepting that humans are HIGHLY AMBIVALENT creatures, not one tracked. People wonder why people are contradictory there isn't any contradictions just misguided ambivalence for different reasons. Yet I much still prefer to share my emotions strictly with men, and occasionally with women. I don't choose not to pick women because they're women, I pick who's truly available. And it's not women lol, and I'm gay!!! I was an emotional person with ADHD my whole life, I very much understand myself. Yes it's true many men can't express themselves. However you also can't accept that men who CAN don't to people who emotionally unavailable, which is PROPERLY suggested by psychologist. Don't share with people who clearly don't care. Worlds not black and white. We can accept there's men who don't know shit and there's men who do. And that it's the same for women who are unavailable for men and some who are. They're ALL problems. Don't even tie it down to "yeah they're all problems but it's not the focus" either, they all should be. Humanity has millenias to live, zero reason why non of these can't all be true and all be an effort to work on. Simply say you will call out unavailable men. And unavailable women. It's that simple to simply acknowledge the other half of men who are in fact resilient and emotionally inclined. Things would go by much quicker you know.
@@Mico-Xiyeas so grateful to hear you are one of the evolving men taking responsibility for your emotions and have found those your able to connect with
@@Mico-Xiyeas What was the timeframe over which you did all of those therapy modalities and did you do them all as a private person or do you have some sort of professional ties to therapy in general? Though I think it really IS true that exposing "vulnerabilities" (very imprecise catch all phrase) can lower attraction by a lot. Women generally like me and for me it's easiest to just leave it at that rather than bring out my difficult past and the inner struggles that have resulted from it. I think being PERCEPTIVE and opening yourself up emotionally on a deeper level to another person are two different things and if one is perceptive and sensitive then you (or i) can clearly sense which topics/conversations led to a shift in attractiveness in general. It's often a "subtle" thing that isn't verbally addressed or acknowledged but at the same time clearly discernable to the keen observer. At the end of the day - considering more the lens of evolutionary psychology it's not magic and it all makes complete sense. The thing is that women were usually much more vulnerable and thus reliable on men and therefor have a very strong need to evaluate a man ("shit test"). This means she must acquire as much information about a man as possible in order to come to the best possible conclusion ("how much can I rely on or gain from him?"). Being vulnerable only works "if she likes the outcomes of the findings". However, if any form of weakness or defectiveness lies behind the veil then her attraction naturally lessens. I think many people (naturally including women) are pretty unaware of how they actually function or why they function the way they do.
This is good advice for men who only want to be used for attention and emotional support, while she’s chasing the emotionally- disconnected “alphas” she’s actually attracted to. Emotional connection is absolutely essential in the context of a marriage… an institution that statistically 70%+ women inevitably reject…
So a man in touch with his heart and soul so he penetrates the world with his power, is weak? Yes, more and more women are rejecting an INSTITUTION of marriage, because that ain’t marriage. Marriage is an energetic bonding that happens on a DNA level without the governmental institutions involved. In fact, when 2 humans marry their energies, the man become part of the woman forever. Literally DNA penetrating the blood brain barrier. Tell me, if women are the one with forever consequences, why should they stoop to a low level man who can’t properly feel her, let alone love and provide for her. You are childish in your ways of thinking and why women are decentering men You were never meant to be the center of civilization, and men are having a massive tower moment realizing the lies they build their life on are crumbling right around them. Come with a grown up response to a grown up issue, or pipe down.
@@swedishpagan2150 A very basic spiritual concept in a small sentence … another reason why we’re decentering you because BASIC spiritual concepts and sentences are above even you.
Men and women used to get along just fine. Its the toxic feminism I struggle with. My experience dating a feminist is they have a problem with men from the start. I try and protect and listen to the women in my life. Im 62 btw. Maybe I'm old fashioned.
I'm with you there, son! 72 yo female here, and I was a very young woman when this toxic feminism hit our society. I never did buy into it. I feel sorry for the women who did as they have cheated themselves out of so much that creates a full life. In addition to that, it has destroyed many lives. I never needed them. I always felt that if a man abused me, he would do it to me only once. It's not that I have no idea about abuse. My father was mentally and physically abusive. I had to take it when young, but after I left I was my own agent. But, sir, we did come from an entirely different age. Regards!
No they didn’t, women didn’t have rights for a long ass time and were forced to make the best of a situation. Now we’re all growed up and no longer accepting your bullshit
Nah from personal experience when a man shows weaknesses concerns or emotional distress or if we share too much personal information about insecurity. It's just used against us. It's socially acceptable for women to exhibit those traits but not for men. Men have to be the pillars of strength thus explains why every dude you ask or talk about this topic 95% have the response that mirrios the one I gave you. Can't be strong and weak at the same time.
@@peopleofearth6250 how is questioning is how he’s living dismissing? How do you think a woman is supposed to trust and surrender if a man can’t open up. Literally, what is she even opening up to if he can’t show here? It’s like men want us to accept all of them, but withhold all of them. Can’t have it both ways.
@@kellyloverewilding You're deflecting away from his concerns and putting all the burden and responsibility onto him while absolving the woman of all responsibility. Who should he be the only pillar of strength in the relationship? Women are capable of expressing many forms of strength. The problem is that they refuse to. Men have given up on being the pillars of strength in their relationships, not because we are incapable of doing so. We know we are capable of anything. The problem is that women don't reciprocate at all. Women explicitly tell men that they aren't owed reciprocation. So why should men put in effort? It's better for men to have purely transactional relationships with women, Women have a problem with that too of course but they only have themselves to blame for this situation.
So a guy says that women don't respect a man who shows his feelings, and that means that men see women showing feelings as weak? It's like the woman making the video literally missed everything he said in the comment
I disagreed with his view because women actually do feel safer with men who will be vulnerable with us. It’s like when a dog shows their underbelly to show they come in peace. If you are unable to be emotionally vulnerable, then why should women trust you with their own sensitivity? If men are desiring the soft, feminine woman, how do you think that’s made? It’s not by damming up your heart, that’s for sure. Love is the most inspirational emotion out there, amad this is what we’re asking men to reconnect to so that they penetrate the world with love instead of war and your fears. The average man’s response on here is a woman hurt me, so now I’m justified in not changing The thing is women have been acknowledging their mis-takes and improving themselves, and now that we are better off and would like men to also be better off, many men are digging their heels in. So do you want us to keep the bar low and put up with the abuse and living in fear of women, or do you wanna be part of the revolution of love?
@@kellyloverewilding in the video, after reading his claim you made the leap to say that because women think men who open up are weak, the guy must think that women are weak. I get that some people are impressed with the mental gymnastics, but it completely misses what he's saying. With the caveat that I obviously don't know what he meant, my interpretation would be this: In our culture, when a woman opens up to a woman, the response is positive. When a woman opens up to a man, the response is possibly positive, possibly neutral. When a man opens up to a man, the response is positive. But when a man opens up to a woman, the woman will treat the man as weak. Nobody is saying that men see women as weak, it's the opposite--his experience is that women see men as weak when men do what you're asking them to do. What's interesting is that his comment is actually not aggressive, he's just stating his experience, you could even say he was open and vulnerable. And what was your response? You tore him down and made an example of him--you actually demonstrated that his openness was not welcome.
@@kellyloverewilding "women actually do feel safer with men who will be vulnerable with us" No you don't. Your responses to the men in this comment section directly contradicts what you're saying here. You express nothing but contempt for mens perspectives.
Waaiitt a minute.... so like, get in touch with our emotions more. Our emotions are based in a sort of fear of showing feelings, tend to explain things more as matter of factly (this doesn't mean that the matters are true, also men have wrong perceptions/ lack of understanding making things twisted) Your response to the feelings we put on display, like frustration, was received by you with "man up" and "men have so much to apologize for in society" and "lmao emotional response". Can you see how this is seen as contradictory? Can you also see how it was your response, and not that of the Patriarchy? That aside, incriminating men for stuff they didn't do doesn't tend to get you any any positive responses. Putting that out there again.
So me pointing out the facts that men are denying is insensitive? Again, men act like women need to handhold and spoon-feed them every step of their spiritual awakening, and we’re mean if we tell you to get yourself together. Do you see why we can’t respect men who need us to make them feel emotionally secure? Real men are emotionally secure, and how you’re responding, especially in light of how men have HIStorically beat the sensitivity out of us AND you, is such a turn off. And now you’re offended because a woman is calling you out? We’ve been weeping for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Burnt at stakes. Shoved in corners. Told to be quiet and submit. Could own land or have a bank account. Excuse yourself for forgetting that there are consequences-meaning legitimate emotional reactions-when men have a long history of being unsafe. You’re mad over words when we’re mad over actions and a lack of safety in the world. Your inability to see the effects of men on women, and why we are responding this way, is exactly why we don’t feel safe continuing to engage like this. Men can have their man-trums all day, and at the end of the day we hold the keys for connection because we’re simply done arguing or trying to convince you We’ve made our new path and you don’t like it. Cool, make your path and see how it goes
@@kellyloverewilding If I would name my emotions, they are coming closer to: confused about what you wish for or achieve (at the time of typing my response) As I said we are more matter of factly, there is no anger. I am also sort of cringing at the hypocrisy that seems to be going on. Not at any point am I or was I offended, mad, or angry. I actually appreciate your effort of putting more words in here. Right now its more closer to concerned since you seem genuine. You truly have a lot of bitterness about men inside of you. You can be true about the past thousands of years being repressed, but I refuse to take responsibility for something I did not do, yet you keep shoving actions done by others in my face. Just like women do not have to stop divorcing men because some men have had bad experiences with them, do I believe that neither I should stop approaching women because of other men. Do I recognize that it makes her feel uncomfortable because of all the statistics? Yes. Does that make me stop approaching? No. However, it does feel disrespectful when I have to make up for the shortcomings of the others. I am not wanting to put up another women with a men's past experience of other women in his life either. That stuff doesn't help. Your comment seems more like a woman-trum than mine, taking things of the past that are from my POV, irrelevant to whatever is going on in today's society. Also yes, kinda bitter sounding.
@@yougotOWENd what happened in the past is still relevant today. You were the one throwing a man-trum with your long English essay. You guys still mistreat us and you're mad that now we're done. We've literally been fighting for our rights for hundreds of years, and it wasn't until in the late 20th century when most of us have finally been able to get our rights, and still men find ways mistreat and think of us as inferior. You guys STILL want to take our rights away because y'all can't handle the fact that we do just fine alone and that we can make our decisions without a manchild being involved.
@kellyloverewilding Lady ur not getting u our own point!!!! These men are replying to you with their emotions and instead of understanding and listen to them you are inserting your opinions disregarding what they're saying. You are proving their point 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's not safe to share any weakness with female mate. Nothing will dry her up emotionally faster. Share your concerns/problems with the boys. They will help you figure out how to get past them. I tried this "being emotional is strong shit." My girl (now ex) hated the change, and never looked at me the same after she knew how much I stressed to get and maintain everything I have.
@@Threelegs94 so you mean to tell me that women are so powerful that they can shut down all of your emotional power? Emotions are the inspiring energy within, so the more you feel, the more powerful you are able to become. We’re inviting men to become more conscious of what they feel, so they may consciously direct their power in life giving ways You don’t have to, but you also won’t have access to the best women because they will no longer lower their standards
@kellyloverewilding you are inviting men to think and act the way you want them to!!! If you were to ask women, some would want more emotional men, and others would feel the ick. We are conscious and have feelings. We just don't do it the way women do. Again, listen to us, and instead of telling us what to do, meet us in the middle. Because we are more in contact with out emotions is that we are telling you what we think. You are not listening and just demanding things. SMDH
@@kellyloverewilding These concepts sound like a pseudo-intellectual fog that promotes gaslighting in its own right. It boils down to: Women are powerful because they tap into their emotions. Men should do the same. When women turn on men for doing so, it represents women using their power to shut down men's power. When men notice and comment on this it also represents women using their power to shut down men's power. Men should tap into their feelings anyway because that would give them power. It's a poor sort of syllogism. Of course, I've never been one to think in terms of emotions as power anyway, and always kind of hoped for that rare relationship that was not about power. Emotions are what we feel, they can strengthen us or weaken us or do neither and instead just be there. Depending on what one feels, those emotions can catastrophically destroy one, as well as "empower". That cannot possibly be a concept unfamiliar to women. At any rate, men feel many things, we also think many things, and we both have feelings about what we thing and thoughts about what we feel, and we are indeed conscious of all those processes all the time.
I think some men are reacting to your call for men to be emotionally vulnerable, but when men respond you go "but not like that". Am I getting that right? I don't want to attribute opinions to you that you don't have. I just see the criticism of men's emotions coming from you, after telling men to be more emotional. Sorry if I'm being stupid here.
The men are welcome to respond how they choose, it’s just that women don’t have to accept them as a candidate for a relationship. Man-trum all they want, we still expect men to level up if they still expect access to us. Nothing is free. And if it’s not a big deal to these men that we are not choosing them, and if there are so many other women to choose from, then by all means, choose another woman. I am not putting myself out for a low standard any longer.
@@kellyloverewilding"I am not putting myself out for a low standard any longer" Good, because neither are we. We will let our species go extinct before settling for a low value woman who only sees men as objects of contempt and ridicule. Buy a dog and stay away from us.
Calling men higher is love. Misandry is hating everything about them and rejecting them completely. If men choose to stay in a state that I do not feel safe opening myself up to, then he has chosen that and I am honoring his choice. Be you, but imma still be me and that means anyone who asks to be in my close circle, anyone who desires to enjoy my energy and all that I bring to a connection, they must be able to meet me at a certain maturity level emotionally, spiritually, mentally and physically. The future of my lineage and of humanity rests on the choices I make with who I share my energy with. Respectfully, my body, my soul, my destiny, so my choice! Men will learn that we will be heard, or we will keep walking away.
@kellyloverewilding you will be heard? All we do is hear you, especially the nonsense. All we hear is women, so much so that men cannot be heard for their needs. So, by all means, play chicken with 4B. All you are doing is proving yourself out of the market, and men are replacing the most rebellious of women. You can only hold your breath so long until your fertility window closes. Women hold the cards to sex; men hold the cards to relationships.
I can't tell if you are being willfully obtuse about the subject of male emotionality. The problem is not whether men HAVE emotions. Everyone knows we do. The problem is which of those emotions it makes sense to share with a romantic partner. Here are a few examples. * Love - welcomed * Joy - welcomed * Compassion - welcomed * Fear - proven to be unattractive to romantic partners * Sadness - proven to be unattractive to romantic partners * Anger - absolutely not permitted You've heard this from 50 different men but you can't seem to believe it for some reason. Instead you are gaslighting us that we must be sharing our emotions wrong or it would be working for us. Somehow you believe your fanciful daydream of how women respond to men more than the collective experience of dozens of men. So strange.
50 different men… and yet the cries of millions around the world fall on your deaf ears Anger for many men has resulted in emotionally and ego driven wars, power over games, and a world ridden with trauma and poverty Your priorities seem out of place, and your ability to attune to the impact of men’s emotional outburst throughout HIStory, is lacking
See? Again your response to a man's genuine perspective is "men have so much to apologize for" This only further demonstrates that you have nothing but contempt for the male perspective.
@@peopleofearth6250 and yet he and you still fail to address the glaring elephants in the room. How many of your responses would you like me to respond to? Is anyone going to address the questions and DIALOGUE?! OR is the patriarchy card showing again and expecting all your needs to be met, while the feminine continues to operate in a deficit and world declines?
@@kellyloverewilding Misandry is one of the major reasons why the world is declining so much. We have an aging and shrinking population because men and women refuse to interact with one another, and one of the main reasons why men and women refuse to interact with each other is because women cannot tolerate men expressing a full range of emotions. Men cannot express sadness, or fear, or anger, or frustration, or disgust, in the presence of a woman without her rejecting him as a person. Men don't want to open up to people who can only tolerate their positive emotions.
To add more context, I mean if they're that ungrateful for the life they've been given and get granted to wake up every day to continue breathing air, etc. That they can't pay back into the circle of life, then they don't deserve to be a part of it. Especially being so selfish I don't even care about the sex at this point I'd rather have a thought child anyhow because I'm sick of the petty lack of accountability that women have these days it's dumb and they know better than that. They're souls won't be blessed or forgiven for an act such as this guarantee that 💯 for any of the women disrespectful of our ancestors and the circle of life. They ought to be aware of how ancient of laws they are breaking there....how could they not be? Do they not understand how sacred the tradition of keeping the circle of life going is....??...
If anything you have said was true men wouldn’t be going their own way. Cohabitation has become such a stressor for men in modern day with western women that they’re literally opting out and leaving. The next few years will be interesting to see because women haven’t really woken up to this yet but men are quiet quitting everywhere and completely walking away.
You got my point, and according to the responses from men here, they’ve been indoctrinated since youth to not feel. Can’t have it both ways. Which is it?
@@kellyloverewilding So everyone that does not agree with you and holds a viewpoint to the contrary is a victim of indoctrination but you have it figured out?
"do you think women are weak?" As a retort. "Women live in a state of vulnerability" You contradicted yourself in your own video You did exactly what the commenter accused you of: you used your gender role selectively to benefit you
You did not follow the train of thought. It was meant to be to be ironic to call women weak, yet we thrive in a state they call weak. They can’t call us weak if they can’t do it and apparently need us for it
@@kellyloverewildingAnd yet again you are expressing contempt for male perspective. This is why men don't open up to you. You show nothing but contempt for us when we express ourselves.
@@peopleofearth6250 asking a question to challenge a way of living and perceiving is what adults do in conversations. Emotional immature humans expect that only their view and needs matter. Should I shut up and be a good girl and let the men keep “handling it”? Or maybe just plug my ears so I don’t have to hear nonsense
Soooooo that’s it? No reflection as to why women are upset right now? Everything else dismissed because men’s emotional needs must be catered to? Do you need to feel liked and comfortable all the time in order to feel safe? Many men like yourself can’t handle the truth, so they blame shift.
@@peopleofearth6250 the contempt is for the excuse making… both sides have done wrong. Will the men take responsibility for how they contributed to us getting here…. Or do you expect us women to just get over it all and move on? We can’t move on until we learn to communicate and connect, so here wee are. No one is saying women haven’t hurt men, what I am saying is it’s not an excuse to quit Women are still willing to connect, it’s just gotta be different. Maybe scroll some videos of men sharing why they agree and see if hearing a man say it differently will make sense. My videos are not the ones to be commenting on if you’re not willing to be challenged.
He never in his response blame shifts into anything he only responds back to what you have said. But I guess we have already fallen for your rage bait content so I guess congrats.
Men are CLEARLY explaining to you their lived consequences of following your advice. Or advice similar to yours. You've just chosen to not listen... this is why you're on here arguing with random men online 🤷🏾♂
I’ve listened to the excuses, and here’s the thing: women are working through their trust issues, and found ways to rebuild themselves in community. Asking men to figure out how to heal and reconnect is what adults do. This is something we should have learned in childhood. It’s also conveniently ignored that our state is vulnerability, we don’t have a choice, and yet we thrive. How do you expect a woman to trust someone who will not show themselves. Either you desire real connection, or you don’t. But doing the same thing over and over obviously ain’t getting the response from women you’re looking for. Is there any chance you’re able to do ANY ONE THING to shift your reality, or are women THAT powerful that they are able to stop men from emotionally and spiritually maturing? Is that what you’re telling me? That a woman made you give up?! How long will the victim card be played before you make different choices? Isn’t that what men say to women who end up in abusive relationships? You should have made better choices? Well, try that shoe on and make better choices in women. But in order to do that you gotta get honest about where you missed the mark too so you’re able to get a different outcome. There are men doing this now, and there are also women who love these men. Just like it ain’t all men perpetrating, it ain’t all men left out either. The ones doing their work, get the benefit of juicy connection.
@@kellyloverewildingoh the irony of a woman accusing men of playing the victim..... Women are constantly blaming men for holding them back. And yet when we do the same thing, suddenly your narrative changes. But that's because you are not acting in good faith. This is yet another example lf women trying to manipulate men into a place of servitude and compliance. Well one of the downsides (for toxic women like you) of men becoming more emotionally intelligent is that we are more aware of these games yall try to play, and we are refusing to deal with women like you. Which oddly enough will cause you to deal with less good men and end up dealing with more bad men because the good men don't want you, and the bad men know how to take all the emotionally expressive stuff to get in your pants. Yall will keep fucking yourselves over and then have rhe audacity to blame us.
@@kellyloverewildingthese men are honest and they are not the ones who raped you. You’d do better with some self reflection and seeking one on one time to talk to a good man.
We don’t think women are weak because they show emotions they simply are societally allowed to have some of them openly. But I do see what you are saying there is a slight bias as to seeing emotions as weak
The ones seen as weak, are the ones who think emotion has primacy over all things. As if emotion alone could make you live forever, or cure any disease.
I do find surprising that the 4b movement would find resonance in the west, a set of societies that haven't been a patriarchy by Korean standards since before I was born [1970]. Longer, really. Women and their voices have had an outsized role in North America in particular, by Asian standards, long before second wave feminism, although certainly they were not yet equal. Many social movements of varying degrees of positivity [jury still out on Prohibition] were heavily driven by women. Their role in shaping American society in particular was remarked by foreigners as early as Tocqueville. Since 1970, North America has moved so much farther in that direction that none of 4b's complaints have any relevance. Their main complaint, natalist policies, has no relevance here. Nobody, least of all government, is making women get married and raise families. Government policy is all quite the opposite, built on assuming negative population growth replaced by immigration from societies that remain more prolific, cannibalizing them for labour and talent. I suspect that Korean natalist policy will fail soon enough, following the lead of Japan, in which decreasing numbers of either sex wish to take on the burden of family and child rearing, personal or financial, and the eventual disappearance of the ethnic/cultural group is determined, albeit slowly at first. Also not really relevant to North American concerns, which do not any longer include such considerations.
Hasn’t been a patriarchy since 1970 by Korean standards. Is that what all these women are saying when they repeatedly share stories of feeling unsafe around men? So they feel the patriarchy is dead, or thriving? Show feels different when it’s on the other foot. It’s time to listen, or don’t and enjoy the dating pool you have access to
I feel like the movement (in the west) is more about treatment from men in relationships and not so much about government policies. But those are still very fragile too. Wouldn't you say banning abortion is "making women raise families"?
@@kellyloverewilding Until you find a way to remove testosterone from males, they will always be larger and more aggressive. And if that is your definition of patriarchy (that men are physically more dangerous), then the "patriarchy" is essentially a built-in feature of humanity. That, however, is not the definition of patriarchy. Here's one for you, "a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line." And this is most definitely not the general state of affairs in North American.
@@pnx1412 would you say that men abandoning their children should be outlawed so that abortion never had to be an option? Or that rape was punishable by death so there were no need to abort unwanted children? Or perhaps supporting women when they get pregnant so they don’t have to choose between feeding their mouth or a second to survive If men actually were loving men, I bet the abortion rate would plummet and women would be BEGGING to have more kids.
Using women not being judged for their feelings as an example for why its ok for men is the worst example you could have possibly produced lol Clearly you're not aware of this little concept called "double standards" that the entirety of society levies against men 😂
The 4 B movemen in Korea was founded by a misandrist by the name of Jung Se-Young. Se-Young is anti-marriage, anti family and of course hates men. This is certainly her choice. Funny thing about misandrists, many women dont like them either.. Of course Se-Young does think women should be single mothers depsite the overwhelming evidence children from two parent households do better in school, less likely to use drugs or engage in risky sexual behaviors leading to teen pregnancy and spread of disease. She also thinks men should be taxed more to support single mothers. Speanking if single parent homes do you know The United States, UK and Russia are the top 3 countries for single parents. All are 1 in 4 children are born into or raiseded in a single parent home There is an excellent book written by a female academic titles, Two-parent Privileged How the decline of marriage has increased inequality and lowered social mobility. As marriage and child decline the societal breakdown is evident.n What I find interesting about the 4B movement in Korea is they conveniently leave out the fact for a man to get married in Korea he or his family is required to provide a dwelling, he owns, be it a house or apartment. This is why in Korea you see such age gaps when it comes to women marrying men 10 to 15 years older. Interestingly in the late 1990s a similar, but different movement started in Japan where young men were no longer interested in getting married because in Japan a married man must surrender his wages to his wife. This has led to exceedingly cutthroat dating much like we are seeing in the USA today where a small percentage of men are pursued by 80% of the women. It has also increased female suicides by 7 times.
Yeah. Growing up in a single-parent (usually single mother) household is one of the strongest predictors of the lack of socioeconomic success in the future. Interestingly enough,- children of single mothers have, as you pointed out, a much higher proclivity to commit crimes and end up in prison, basically, women statistically speaking don't teach children to be productive members of society very well. The mechanisms at play could be a bit more complex than that "explanation" but that is pretty much the outcome. Interestingly enough, the children of single household FATHERS do not have a higher tendency towards crime than the general population. So in terms of adapting the child to the realities of the marketplace the fathers do a better job. Of course there could be other deficits or negative outcomes associated with growing up with only a father vs only a mother that i am not aware of. But in short: if you want to sabotage the future of a child, make them grow up with a single mother (/or a single parent).
Pseudo spiritual guru hippie content always promotes the idea of setting your ego aside for the sake of improvement, but is always provided by an egocentric person who believes their "goddes energy" makes them right and that they have self proclaimed to have evolved above the common man to speak from a position of authority. It's always the same format. You're not quite a copy and paste, but I see it starting to fit.
Just another bro who can’t come up with the truth on his own that must tear a woman down for using her own brains. How about you take your panties out of your ass and come up with a viable solution.
@@kellyloverewilding A very enlightened point of view. Nothing I said was to tear down women. It was directed at you personally. You don't speak for all women. It seems I struck a nerve though, which eludes that there's a hint of painful truth to what I said...
@@CrystallizedBlood1 no chord struck, just calling the ignorance out. Ain’t nobody knocking me off my path. To those that are already dead spiritually, what I say is offensive. To those that are seeking truth, my words are life. Hate all you want, all I do is getting wiser and stronger.
@@kellyloverewilding But you see that's what I'm saying. You keep asserting that your word is truth and because someone doesn't buy what you're selling they must be spiritually dead. That's an inflammatory and emotional response if I've ever heard one. It's also authoritative while being substantiated by nothing. You're free to follow your path, if it works for you, cool. I'm just pointing out that you have a very arrogant way of viewing things that men must do while ignoring the fact that men and women are different and what works for you won't work for us and to say we must be more feminine in order to not be "spiritually dead" is ludicrous.
@@CrystallizedBlood1 and so it is… enjoy the mind fuck of me not giving a fuck if you understand what I’m saying or if you’re offended by it or if you think I’m crazy. The sane ones are always called crazy before they’re ever taken seriously. I have accepted my role. Happy trolling boo 👻
Nice point !! We live everyday choosing to be vulnerable, its much harder to strip things away when you know youre in more danger to be hurt as a woman. Im talking mentally too because of shame.
@@badwolf3618 another toxic man getting tersterical and throwing a man-trum because a woman has an opinion different than his. How about you rub those brain cells togethe, fire up some synapses, and come up with something intelligent to contribute, like maybe engaging ONE point and showing a different perspective. The men on these comments are why you are de-centered. But no worries because being a tyrant doesn’t work anymore, we’re still decentering you.
@@kellyloverewilding once again proving our point. We tell you how we truly feel, and you try manipulating us into thinking that we did something wrong. Good thing more men are wising up to women's lies and toxicity regarding our emotions. You don't get to have it both ways. Either you want us to be real, or you don't.
Let's all take a gander at the crime stats and the state of the planet and who "led" us here (by brutal force). Holding on to men and trying to reform or help them is the work of a confused person.
The point is we aren’t holding onto them anymore. We’ve let them go have their initiations in the wildness of their underdeveloped emotional and spiritual development . If they don’t want to learn, then they’ll die like they are and we’ll die like we are. May you enjoy the life you build.
I made a comment on another vid being mock offended. I don't know if you or RUclips scrubbed it. I'm assuming RUclips. Apologies if it came off as arrogant or the like. But I did want to call out the men in the comments. I don't understand why all these men are upholding the damn system. There's no way to win the damn game. We just walk away and do something else. I'm not responsible for other men's actions, sure. Which means I can do something different. If I'm, say, overweight, underemployed, a "nice" guy with maternal enmeshment issues resulting in an inability to emotionally connect with women and years upon years of the healing journey, forever in the lost boy phase, and I get called out for it and told to man up, then I find a way through. Two steps forward, one step back. I heal and deal with my mom. I work on the weight issues (emotional shielding). I drop my need for emotional validation and see the pattern I learned from my dad. Dad was coddled and Mom turned her bitterness on me. I work on my emotional connections especially within myself. I stop being lost and find myself right here and now. I don't blame the woman for not dating me because I was unable to give her that emotional connection and safety. I don't blame the woman because she didn't rush into my life to serve as an emotional crutch. I don't blame anybody. Not even my parents. I fix it and move forward. Or work toward fixing it. And for this reason, your words don't hurt me. In fact, your words give me encouragement and strength. Other men hear bitterness. I hear, Way to go! You're on the right track! It's our time now, men and women, to become whole selves, as we are. Not fractured pieces looking to the other to complete us and raging in conflict when this fails to happen. Thank you for your videos.
thank you for this thoughtful response and I am glad you felt what I was really saying. You are on the right track, I am proud of you for taking responsibility for your life, and you have got this! I also appreciate your level of awareness of your body shape and how your past has impacted it. I’m grateful you’re consciously taking the steps to re-write the patterns handed down to you! It is my pleasure to share, even under fire. Literally all the BS comments were worth this one human really getting it. THank you for showing up and BE-ing the change you wish to see in the world.
One of the men from the comments, even when it was not shown in this video. There is another comment of mine here and there too if you wanna read about the response. Replying to your comment now, I am not sure what you mean with "playing games" or even trying to win it. What system do you think there is, that the men in the comments are upholding. The men in the comments were just sharing their experiences with how they feel about approaching women, and what bothers them in approaching them. Fear of being mocked by the women, fear of being sued or taken advantage of by the women they bond with, or afraid of women throwing a tantrum that might end up with serving jailtime and having a criminal record due to no fault of your own. Ask me any question you like. I also wanna move forwards, but it's been established that just like you, I don't wanna bear the burden of being accused for the wrongdoings of other men's actions like Kelly does in her responses. That ancestry argument of "men having been causing wars for thousands of years and I should feel responsible for it" is entirely off the table for agreement or me changing my mind. Otherwise, go ahead.
@@yougotOWENd not one man mentioned why they didn’t trust women, and only 2-3 acknowledged understanding my sentiments and agreeing with them. I did get a lot of projections as to why I made the video, but no clear responses to why they don’t trust women until just now The majority threw man-trums about why they don’t want to evolve because a woman hurt them. And men hurt us. We are asking you to evolve with us by taking responsibility and accountability for how we got here, and then doing things different moving forward. Period. That simple. Just do things different. As for how men have been taken advantage of, that’s a whole other nuanced podcast. I will say in short tho that abuse breeds abuse. I’ve seen it time and again. The cycles we are e sing are the power over, retaliation, etc. You can keep your grudges and excuses and see how far they get you, or just move differently in the world so that women feel safe and have the desire to reconnect with men. It’s like we’re telling you directly why we are disconnecting-just like men ask for-and we still get excuses. What’s your contribution to the shift?
@@yougotOWENd First off, if I may say so, sir, I appreciate that you are articulate and not emotionally reactive. You express these points clearly. My opinion was better expressed elsewhere, such as in the comment that disappeared. That being my view that the problem is not men, per se, but the system that has conditioned us. And in not acknowledging the conditioning, in being emotionally reactive, that many commentators were unwittingly, if not defending the old system, than putting it out of their sights and placing women and feminists as the problem. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I saw it. Looking back over my comment, I see a lot of frustration with my own father during childhood glaring through. I notice so much resignation among men. I even fight it within myself. It's not our fault. But how do we address our societal conditioning and take back our power, as individuals and local communities? What does that look like? We should have common dialogue in the public sphere. But the litigiousness going on right now, that you point out, is very relevant and a very real block to moving forward. I mean, we're going to step on each other's toes in making changes, but if stepping on someone's toes leads to divorce court or even jail time, you're right. What do we do?
@@kellyloverewilding "Share your feelings, be vulnerable" has about the same weight on a man as telling a women to "just go walk around alone and approach men if you wish to". Approaching women for us, and most certainly our feelings, also has genuinely bad reprocussions. I am talking jailtime, homelessness, divorces, being fired from the workplace and not being able to be hired again in the same field. A helpful statistic that helps out here is that men are quite likely to get into a case of physical assault unleashed on them, yet they walk around confidently on the street while having wariness in approaching women. Getting an arm broken is less punishing than losing your job or losing out on seeing your children, or be labeled a creep in a certain place, so the thought of getting beaten up is less scary than having your vulnerabilities taken advantage of by women. There are comments sharing about a shield they have or lack of purpose they see in sharing their feelings with women. Their openings and vulnerabilities have been taken advantage of. "Our shield is not there for nothing", a comment mentioned. its punishing rather than rewarding to share our feelings. We still share them, but a lot more "matter of factly" than women do. In a way, women are way better at just saying "X upsets me, and that is why I do not do YZ anymore" and guys are just like "YZ happens, so I do not do X anymore". Men do have the tendency of "ok, so this feeling sharing does not work. Its been taken advantage of more times than it was helpful now, and so I am not going to do it anymore". About my contribution to the shift? I am just sticking around for these comments and see other channels about the 4B movement and what makes women have bad experiences with men, and see what I can learn. Some things I filter out as straight up bitterness and unhelpful stuff, and some I can take and match with me.
You do know that women are purposely choosing shelter cats over men... calling them cat ladies is not an insult 😂 Men are the ones that die sooner if they are single.
Growing old with cats IS our objective. And it's far preferred than an alternative with a man. Why do you males all rely on the same lame scare tactics? You're just threatening us with a good time 😂🐈
Well that’s exactly what we’re happily doing and it’s the men who seem to be so upset with our choice. I mean, really, if it wasn’t emotionally triggering for men, then why so much hatred and anger being expressed over WORDS and BOUNDARIES?! It’s like these men expect us to give up our bodies and souls to them no matter what! But will tell a woman in the next breath that it’s her low standards that got her fucked over by a man. Welp, you’re right. It was the low standard that got us fucked over, so now we raised the bar. Cheers 🥂
@@elijahwilson1422 they eat many things, and are one of the most intelligent birds. Were you aware they remember dangerous individuals and tell all their friends and family who they are? Sometimes they’ll caw non-stop to alert everyone, other times they’ll do group attacks. In any case, crows are badass.
I support the 4b movement. I believe that women should completely live in their own corner of society and be completely independent needing no man. Certainly have nothing to do with horrible, horrible men. Men will get by 🥲but women will thrive 🦄as they finally embrace all the infrastructure jobs 🛤 that they never have had to do and have been deprived of and thus they can embrace their inner beauty. I'm confident the women will do better separate than men as any reality shows or real life itself has shown the same. Women are stronger than men. Go 4B!
Such a dumb passive aggressive comment. Maybe men should pay back women for birthing them, and motherhood you're indebted to your mom. Also, most people who take care of the vulnerable are women : nurses, doctors, people working with aging people, it's women. No man will take care of you as you age, that's why men are so scared of dying single, they know they're far too selfish to be nurturing.
We do thrive without you and science has proven that. You, however, live longer when women are around. Damn, sucks when science proves your ignorance wrong
From her site "My dedication and passion for this work was birthed from becoming the victor over my own complex trauma experiences including incest, narcissistic parents, repeated sexual assaults, religious brain washing, death of my daughter, full hip replacement, clavicle repair and more." She was violated by men (man) in her family and not protected by her parents. Do not let her families crap bait you
Have you looked at stats on violence and rape? Men, specifically ones that women are personally close to, are the #1 perpetrators of sexual violence.
I speak to the 90% of women and 80%of young girls around the world, who have been sexually violated by men.
I PROUDLY share my story of transformation so those women and girls may have a chance at life too.
This woman can say women will be ok with emotionally expressive men.
Most men are acting from their own personal real world experience of knowing this is literally not true. Women react poorely to their male partners showing negative emotion.
If that wasn't enough, we know this is the case psychologically as well.
Science has literally meassure the responses to both male and female pain, and male crying is seen as unconfortable and disturbing by both men AND women.
Whereas female tears trigger a nurturing response from both men AND women.
Meaning, a portion of it is literally biologic.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
Yup, more than once when I have shown too much emotion with Women I have been with they suddenly stop talking to me or suddenly tell me they are breaking up with me. We notice these patterns
Please define “negative emotion”.
Many women experience negative emotions in the form of violence, yelling, threats of violence, etc.
OR they experience a man emotionally dumping on her because he doesn’t understand how to feel through them himself.
Now if a man were not any of the two above examples and was great at feeling and expressing himself, he’d communicate something like, “I’m feeling really pissed about your reaction earlier and I need some time to cool down and talk it through with you. Could we talk in x amount of time?”
That shows her that:
1. Your pissed
2. You’re taking responsibility for your emotional reaction and waiting to respond when calm
3. You gave her a time to reconnect
It’s a simple way to acknowledge the feeling, go find your way to process it so that isn’t taken out on her, and then come back to find resolution.
Here’s the thing: if she is still unable to come back to loving relating and continues in the pattern, YOU now have the choice to stay in the situation, or remove your presence.
No victims, only solutions.
Her inability to be emotionally responsive in healthy ways is a sign of her unresolved emotional crises as well. It works both ways.
And still we come to the larger issue at hand: the majority of men are spiritually and emotionally underdeveloped, and it’s rooted in childhood issues.
These unresolved issues have impacted how men show up in the world because that’s how trauma and mirror neurons work.
We reflect to the world what has been done to us, by how we treat others in our life.
When the vast majority of women are feeling unsafe, it is an issue the men get to look at collectively.
It starts with listening to what women have to say, and asking what it’ll take to build trust back up.
Yes, trust needs to happen on both sides, and you get to do the work of finding the safe humans to increase your emotionally intelligence with.
@@kellyloverewilding You literally just proved his point without realizing it.
You have shown nothing but contempt for mens emotions.
@@peopleofearth6250 asking clarifying questions and challenging his way of being is not dismissive, its what adults do… they talk things out and come to reasonable solutions.
Unlike the patriarchy who has historically started wars to get their way… and then beat down feminine expression in the process.
It’s ironic you’re upset about a situation men largely contributed to. Sounds like you should do something about it… or not and just be decentered
@@kellyloverewilding You aren't talking things out though. You're just expressing contempt for male emotions which you then blame men for, because of course you do. All bigots blame the targets of their bigotry for their bigotry. You are no different.
Men share and feminist immediately demonstrate the men are absolutely on point....LOL you can't make this shit up.
Sigh. Already in your response to the first criticism you deflect and miss the point, known to all generations until recently, that women and men do not act the same.
That man, right or wrong, complained that if a man shows feelings, a woman will think him weak. Your response opens with, "do you think that when a woman shows feelings, she is being weak?" That is deflection. He did not say what men think of women showing feelings, he made a claim of what women think of men showing feelings. The one does not require the other. This is a dishonest way to begin your assessment.
As it happens, I think he is both right and wrong. He's right, in that women [not just today] say a lot about how they want their men to show feelings and be vulnerable, to a degree so absurd that they expect it even when the man feels fine and there is nothing in particular to have feelings or be vulnerable about, but they will poke and poke anyway and, on receiving some feelings, will re-evaluate their man as weaker than they want. Not all right away, to be sure, but it starts a process.
He's also wrong if he assumes this is true at all times for all women with all men. A relationship built over time and on a strong foundation can and does find the woman being more supportive than this. A man would then have to fall very far for the woman to switch into "I'm not your mother" mode. Heck, if the cause is good enough [say, crippling physical injury], a good woman might even stick around and live up to "in sickness and in health". It's just harder to find her than it once was.
Here’s the thing: men can say all day women don’t want vulnerability and will hurt them if they are.
Alright, that is true sometimes.
And it’s also still true that there are millions of women asking for something different and willing to come to the table and have a conversation abiut how to change things.
I am literally swimming in a community of men and women doing this type of work with men.
What I DONT hear from men on RUclips specifically, are their suggestions on how to rebuild trust. I hear excuses of why they won’t.
Alright, so don’t. But don’t complain about the consequences when we say we’re not willing to move forward with the elephants in the room.
All of my responses have remained consistent in focusing on how to rebuild, and unfortunately that also means looking at the ugly truths.
Either you will listen to our requests and we’ll make changes together, or you keep doing yo thang and we’ll do our thang.
@@kellyloverewilding If you want to rebuild trust with men then you need to stop dismissing mens opinions and ridiculing men for expressing emotions.
@@peopleofearth6250women demand that we trust them when rhey haven't earned that trust. Their entitlement knows no bounds.
@@kellyloverewilding I do not quite understand what more you want men to concede in the name of trust. Gradually, men are ceding control and are also being pushed out completely out of areas they used to dominate, schools, psychologists, recruitment etc. While there is a push to get more women in STEM there is none to get men in CARE. There are plenty of men today who are in touch with their feminine side but these men have not been successful despite what they have been told.
I genuinely want to know what in actionable terms is what you are expecting. Men like me who have never imposed the patriarchy on women, and who in fact have grown up seeing them men being dominated by the women in the household are utterly perplexed. Women faced centuries of much fewer rights and yet civilization flourished and now that they do have rights, trust with men is broken. That makes no sense: the trust ought to have been broken centuries ago and we ought to have all perished. Instead, we will perish now at the zenith of technology and egalitarian rights. Men are being told to rebuild trust when they have spent decades following every instruction in the trust rebuilding playbook, conceding their advantages one by one.
"you keep doing yo thang and we’ll do our thang." I totally can get behind that statement, as long as my tax does not go to your thang. Even if it does, fine, as long as you don't bother me, I won't even look in your thang's direction, rest assured.
Women love to put words in someone elses mouth, so they can argue against those words they inserted.
Complete disregard and disdain for actual straightforward communication. Projection of an unhealthy mind.
1st reply, ain't nobody talking about what we think of women who show emotion. What we are talking about is how women view men who show emotion
2nd reply physical strength has nothing to do w/ enotional. We can't trust to let our emotions around you because you use them against us. As far as you living in vulnerability, that's your own struggle, do we tell you to toughen up when you speak with us? No we let you be who you are and we expect the same respect
3rd reply gaslighting and refusing to acknowledge typical female behavior towards men
pretty succinct, not sure what language this woman is using
@@daveshore8671 S.I.G.N. language (shame, insult, guilt, need-to-be-right)
The narcissist playbook.
@@Alarik52got it. I miss Kevin Samuel’s. She’s a victim of incest. She mentioned on her site. Instead she’s lashing out at all men when her parents failed her.
@daveshore8671 women look for anyone to blame,
Lemme get this straight: women are afraid of physical harm and death, you’re afraid of what exactly? She’s gonna say something mean? 😢 😂
I don’t really have a dog in this fight as I’m already married with kids. BUT- at least in the west, these men often have their masculinity suppressed and multiple negative relationships with women (moms who didn’t connect with them, female teachers who stifled their need to move, girls who teased them and rejected them continually)
Often not only do men have really hurtful experiences with women, but they also are a part of a society that has such a bias towards women. Our culture doesn’t care about mens pain nearly the way we care for womens pain.
When you dangle love in front of men without offering to earn their trust first, you come off as a snake oil salesman or worse. If the goal is to establish relationships then extending an olive branch in a way that the other party finds disagreeable just won’t work. All the worse to announce that you’ll refuse to engage in relationships. The 4B movement seems to be great at making the societal problems of division worse.
How will you be part of rebalancing the obvious distortions?
Yes, men have had their feelings hurt, and women have been killed.
The facts are that physically men are volatile because they haven’t matured emotionally or spiritually
Your own statements show that
Did women contribute… sure, but remember most women were forced to shut down their own sensitivity to be safe, so how can they pass onto their children what was not allowed for them.
Men need to recognize they’ve done some serious damage, and now women are expecting better
I’m not accepting excuses to remain a childish man anymore
@@kellyloverewilding no this is an incorrect assumption "The facts are that physically men are volatile because they haven’t matured emotionally or spiritually" no that is not true.
Men live with the understanding that physical violence is the ultimate threat in interactions with any man. This is how God made it. This tension and understanding is what creates peace between tribes and borders and locked doors. Its what creates the place for women to exist in peace and to be safe in being vulnerable during pregnancy and to feel safe with the kids.
If you measure men by the same standards as women and men comply. then that family/village/tribe will be overrun by men who understood Gods assignment.
Men are not broken women. There is no evolving out of being masculine, masculinity is earned with blood by every man on his own and with other men. Christ came with a sword. God condemns the wicked and soft.
The men who dont keep borders or keep their wives in line and do not protect their children and their family are soon devoured by the state or condemned by God.
Men have not done serious damage. Men have built this world. The western mens biggest sin is allowing their families to be co-opted by the state. Feminism is rooted in the occult and communism and some men failed to beat that system down before it took root in the west. They fell asleep at the gate.
The solution is not men becoming like women. The solution is women learning to cooperate with men and to stop fighting against the men who are handling the challenges of masculinity. Cooperate with the men who will fight against the oppressive state. Women need to become mothers and stop listening to occultest like you, who hate Gods order
All of your comments are like one giant "sh&t test" to see if the men can actually protect you and are they trustworthy enough that you can let go and be a female, a mother, and wife knowing the man will protect her. Your words are just silly, saying men should emote like women and relate to the world like women. this is how we got here.
woo woo spiritual shamans like you are not doing Gods work. You are playing for the other side. God made man and women perfect. there is no evolving into something better than how God made us. There is just doing the work he assigned us each as individuals.
@kellyloverewilding bloody hell 😂🤣
@@egdapo you tell me YOUR solution of how men and women get past their mistrust and heal. I’m all ears. ruclips.net/video/QhfqTi8x-HQ/видео.htmlsi=5xR_bd9IlvMejki9
@@kellyloverewilding I’m rebalancing the obvious distortions by taking each individual as they are: an individual.
I’m not going to make sweeping statements about refusing to engage with half the population that I’ve never even shaken hands with.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you think if men said “I will not engage with women until they change how poorly they act. They’re a bunch of whiny infants and they do not deserve my love and attention as they are now. Women must change” Would that be a good way to connect with you? Or would that maybe cause you to reject people who say those things?
Honestly, the men who are cruel for the sake of being cruel will not be deterred by your movement, just as they’re not deterred by laws or ethics.
The men who are injured but have good hearts and need an olive branch of hope from women will reject your movement because you’re generalizing them and not treating them as equals. You’re taking a stance of a cold mother by scolding them and withholding affection from an entire group who never asked for your love to begin with, but who are desperately hoping for love someday. You’re going out of your way to make a statement of rejection to a huge group of human beings who are low on hope. Some of whom are already reeling from actually putting themselves out there and being rejected cruelly. Now they’re being rejected by strangers. What’s left for a human being when they live an entire life of being pushed away?
Like I said, I’ll be treating each person I meet as an individual. To change the world you really must just work on the people in your life. The people you actually touch. It’s not as flashy as making a video for millions to see- but it’s much more honest and effective.
I am more likely to have a positive emotional impact on a man at the grocery store by exchanging a kind word than you are by sending this video to millions. I don’t say that to be cruel, I’m saying it because that is how human brains work.
We’re dealing with human love and hope- extend a hand, don’t isolate and punish people you’ve never met. But if your intention is to divide and increase stress between men and women you will be successful.
I do want to end by saying that I can see where you’re coming from- you’ve seen injustice and you want to correct it. I agree with you, and I’m on your side. This movement may feel good to be a part of because it feels good to do something big when you notice a big problem. I wish there was a less mundane fix for this social injury.
A broken bone knits back together cell by cell. A divided society is the same. We are the cells. If you want to mend society you join hands with those around you. Talking about withholding love will not increase love in the world.
I think you missed the point of that first guy. He didnt say that he thought women were weak for showing emotions, merely that women see men as being weak when they show emotions... nice puffy strawman, though.
Doesn't matter if you explain that, if an explanation requires a women's accountability or them to be a victim it's literally not possible for them to comprehend what you mean. Men are not capable of hurting or being victim, they must coddle women every step of the way, like children
I didn’t miss anything, and I’m saying that’s a lame excuse because if you live out the excuse, then you’re living in a distorted emotional response
In fact, it is the epitome of an emotionally triggered response to continue to shut down your emotional nature because of any excuse, and you men are so far disconnected from your bodies that you aren’t even AWARE that you’re emotionally triggered or traumatized.
Big issues to heal when men can’t even FEEL!
@@kellyloverewilding not every man shuts off their emotions, many process them without you simply because their lover is also emotionally unavailable lol. I'm a solid healed individual and have a step by step psychological process for all my emotions, my neuroticism has went from 99% to 7% after using such methods.
CBT, DBT, ACT, FAP, Schema therapy, Detachment, ego and experience processing, knowing the very core meaning of an emotion and connecting it to the trigger, challenging black and white thinking and accepting that humans are HIGHLY AMBIVALENT creatures, not one tracked. People wonder why people are contradictory there isn't any contradictions just misguided ambivalence for different reasons.
Yet I much still prefer to share my emotions strictly with men, and occasionally with women. I don't choose not to pick women because they're women, I pick who's truly available. And it's not women lol, and I'm gay!!! I was an emotional person with ADHD my whole life, I very much understand myself.
Yes it's true many men can't express themselves. However you also can't accept that men who CAN don't to people who emotionally unavailable, which is PROPERLY suggested by psychologist. Don't share with people who clearly don't care.
Worlds not black and white. We can accept there's men who don't know shit and there's men who do. And that it's the same for women who are unavailable for men and some who are. They're ALL problems.
Don't even tie it down to "yeah they're all problems but it's not the focus" either, they all should be. Humanity has millenias to live, zero reason why non of these can't all be true and all be an effort to work on.
Simply say you will call out unavailable men. And unavailable women. It's that simple to simply acknowledge the other half of men who are in fact resilient and emotionally inclined. Things would go by much quicker you know.
@@Mico-Xiyeas so grateful to hear you are one of the evolving men taking responsibility for your emotions and have found those your able to connect with
@@Mico-Xiyeas What was the timeframe over which you did all of those therapy modalities and did you do them all as a private person or do you have some sort of professional ties to therapy in general?
Though I think it really IS true that exposing "vulnerabilities" (very imprecise catch all phrase) can lower attraction by a lot.
Women generally like me and for me it's easiest to just leave it at that rather than bring out my difficult past and the inner struggles that have resulted from it.
I think being PERCEPTIVE and opening yourself up emotionally on a deeper level to another person are two different things and if one is perceptive and sensitive then you (or i) can clearly sense which topics/conversations led to a shift in attractiveness in general.
It's often a "subtle" thing that isn't verbally addressed or acknowledged but at the same time clearly discernable to the keen observer.
At the end of the day - considering more the lens of evolutionary psychology it's not magic and it all makes complete sense.
The thing is that women were usually much more vulnerable and thus reliable on men and therefor have a very strong need to evaluate a man ("shit test").
This means she must acquire as much information about a man as possible in order to come to the best possible conclusion ("how much can I rely on or gain from him?").
Being vulnerable only works "if she likes the outcomes of the findings".
However, if any form of weakness or defectiveness lies behind the veil then her attraction naturally lessens.
I think many people (naturally including women) are pretty unaware of how they actually function or why they function the way they do.
This is good advice for men who only want to be used for attention and emotional support, while she’s chasing the emotionally- disconnected “alphas” she’s actually attracted to. Emotional connection is absolutely essential in the context of a marriage… an institution that statistically 70%+ women inevitably reject…
So a man in touch with his heart and soul so he penetrates the world with his power, is weak?
Yes, more and more women are rejecting an INSTITUTION of marriage, because that ain’t marriage.
Marriage is an energetic bonding that happens on a DNA level without the governmental institutions involved.
In fact, when 2 humans marry their energies, the man become part of the woman forever. Literally DNA penetrating the blood brain barrier.
Tell me, if women are the one with forever consequences, why should they stoop to a low level man who can’t properly feel her, let alone love and provide for her.
You are childish in your ways of thinking and why women are decentering men
You were never meant to be the center of civilization, and men are having a massive tower moment realizing the lies they build their life on are crumbling right around them.
Come with a grown up response to a grown up issue, or pipe down.
@@kellyloverewildingWtf did I just read
@@kellyloverewilding You are a low level women if you think that way. Fix your own issues before you demand anything from men whatsoever.
@@swedishpagan2150
A very basic spiritual concept in a small sentence … another reason why we’re decentering you because BASIC spiritual concepts and sentences are above even you.
@@kellyloverewilding You are decentering men from your life because we are not spiritual?
Men and women used to get along just fine. Its the toxic feminism I struggle with. My experience dating a feminist is they have a problem with men from the start. I try and protect and listen to the women in my life. Im 62 btw. Maybe I'm old fashioned.
I'm with you there, son! 72 yo female here, and I was a very young woman when this toxic feminism hit our society. I never did buy into it. I feel sorry for the women who did as they have cheated themselves out of so much that creates a full life. In addition to that, it has destroyed many lives. I never needed them. I always felt that if a man abused me, he would do it to me only once. It's not that I have no idea about abuse. My father was mentally and physically abusive. I had to take it when young, but after I left I was my own agent. But, sir, we did come from an entirely different age. Regards!
No they didn’t, women didn’t have rights for a long ass time and were forced to make the best of a situation. Now we’re all growed up and no longer accepting your bullshit
Nah from personal experience when a man shows weaknesses concerns or emotional distress or if we share too much personal information about insecurity. It's just used against us. It's socially acceptable for women to exhibit those traits but not for men. Men have to be the pillars of strength thus explains why every dude you ask or talk about this topic 95% have the response that mirrios the one I gave you. Can't be strong and weak at the same time.
How are you able to be a pillar of strength for a woman if you cannot understand her?
@@kellyloverewildingYour contempt for his emotions is proving his point.
@@peopleofearth6250 how is questioning is how he’s living dismissing? How do you think a woman is supposed to trust and surrender if a man can’t open up.
Literally, what is she even opening up to if he can’t show here?
It’s like men want us to accept all of them, but withhold all of them.
Can’t have it both ways.
@@kellyloverewilding You're deflecting away from his concerns and putting all the burden and responsibility onto him while absolving the woman of all responsibility. Who should he be the only pillar of strength in the relationship?
Women are capable of expressing many forms of strength. The problem is that they refuse to.
Men have given up on being the pillars of strength in their relationships, not because we are incapable of doing so. We know we are capable of anything. The problem is that women don't reciprocate at all. Women explicitly tell men that they aren't owed reciprocation. So why should men put in effort? It's better for men to have purely transactional relationships with women, Women have a problem with that too of course but they only have themselves to blame for this situation.
@@peopleofearth6250 ruclips.net/video/QhfqTi8x-HQ/видео.htmlsi=u6ALPircKH-Nw5PE
So a guy says that women don't respect a man who shows his feelings, and that means that men see women showing feelings as weak? It's like the woman making the video literally missed everything he said in the comment
I think she drew a logical conclusion based on his comment.
I disagreed with his view because women actually do feel safer with men who will be vulnerable with us.
It’s like when a dog shows their underbelly to show they come in peace.
If you are unable to be emotionally vulnerable, then why should women trust you with their own sensitivity?
If men are desiring the soft, feminine woman, how do you think that’s made?
It’s not by damming up your heart, that’s for sure.
Love is the most inspirational emotion out there, amad this is what we’re asking men to reconnect to so that they penetrate the world with love instead of war and your fears.
The average man’s response on here is a woman hurt me, so now I’m justified in not changing
The thing is women have been acknowledging their mis-takes and improving themselves, and now that we are better off and would like men to also be better off, many men are digging their heels in.
So do you want us to keep the bar low and put up with the abuse and living in fear of women, or do you wanna be part of the revolution of love?
@@XXLadythank you🙏🏽💪🏽
@@kellyloverewilding in the video, after reading his claim you made the leap to say that because women think men who open up are weak, the guy must think that women are weak. I get that some people are impressed with the mental gymnastics, but it completely misses what he's saying. With the caveat that I obviously don't know what he meant, my interpretation would be this: In our culture, when a woman opens up to a woman, the response is positive. When a woman opens up to a man, the response is possibly positive, possibly neutral. When a man opens up to a man, the response is positive. But when a man opens up to a woman, the woman will treat the man as weak. Nobody is saying that men see women as weak, it's the opposite--his experience is that women see men as weak when men do what you're asking them to do. What's interesting is that his comment is actually not aggressive, he's just stating his experience, you could even say he was open and vulnerable. And what was your response? You tore him down and made an example of him--you actually demonstrated that his openness was not welcome.
@@kellyloverewilding
"women actually do feel safer with men who will be vulnerable with us"
No you don't. Your responses to the men in this comment section directly contradicts what you're saying here. You express nothing but contempt for mens perspectives.
Waaiitt a minute.... so like, get in touch with our emotions more.
Our emotions are based in a sort of fear of showing feelings, tend to explain things more as matter of factly (this doesn't mean that the matters are true, also men have wrong perceptions/ lack of understanding making things twisted)
Your response to the feelings we put on display, like frustration, was received by you with "man up" and "men have so much to apologize for in society" and "lmao emotional response".
Can you see how this is seen as contradictory?
Can you also see how it was your response, and not that of the Patriarchy?
That aside, incriminating men for stuff they didn't do doesn't tend to get you any any positive responses. Putting that out there again.
So me pointing out the facts that men are denying is insensitive?
Again, men act like women need to handhold and spoon-feed them every step of their spiritual awakening, and we’re mean if we tell you to get yourself together.
Do you see why we can’t respect men who need us to make them feel emotionally secure?
Real men are emotionally secure, and how you’re responding, especially in light of how men have HIStorically beat the sensitivity out of us AND you, is such a turn off.
And now you’re offended because a woman is calling you out?
We’ve been weeping for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Burnt at stakes. Shoved in corners. Told to be quiet and submit. Could own land or have a bank account.
Excuse yourself for forgetting that there are consequences-meaning legitimate emotional reactions-when men have a long history of being unsafe.
You’re mad over words when we’re mad over actions and a lack of safety in the world.
Your inability to see the effects of men on women, and why we are responding this way, is exactly why we don’t feel safe continuing to engage like this.
Men can have their man-trums all day, and at the end of the day we hold the keys for connection because we’re simply done arguing or trying to convince you
We’ve made our new path and you don’t like it. Cool, make your path and see how it goes
@@kellyloverewilding If I would name my emotions, they are coming closer to:
confused about what you wish for or achieve (at the time of typing my response)
As I said we are more matter of factly, there is no anger.
I am also sort of cringing at the hypocrisy that seems to be going on.
Not at any point am I or was I offended, mad, or angry. I actually appreciate your effort of putting more words in here.
Right now its more closer to concerned since you seem genuine. You truly have a lot of bitterness about men inside of you.
You can be true about the past thousands of years being repressed, but I refuse to take responsibility for something I did not do, yet you keep shoving actions done by others in my face.
Just like women do not have to stop divorcing men because some men have had bad experiences with them, do I believe that neither I should stop approaching women because of other men.
Do I recognize that it makes her feel uncomfortable because of all the statistics? Yes. Does that make me stop approaching? No.
However, it does feel disrespectful when I have to make up for the shortcomings of the others.
I am not wanting to put up another women with a men's past experience of other women in his life either.
That stuff doesn't help.
Your comment seems more like a woman-trum than mine, taking things of the past that are from my POV, irrelevant to whatever is going on in today's society. Also yes, kinda bitter sounding.
@@yougotOWENd what happened in the past is still relevant today. You were the one throwing a man-trum with your long English essay. You guys still mistreat us and you're mad that now we're done.
We've literally been fighting for our rights for hundreds of years, and it wasn't until in the late 20th century when most of us have finally been able to get our rights, and still men find ways mistreat and think of us as inferior.
You guys STILL want to take our rights away because y'all can't handle the fact that we do just fine alone and that we can make our decisions without a manchild being involved.
@kellyloverewilding Lady ur not getting u our own point!!!!
These men are replying to you with their emotions and instead of understanding and listen to them you are inserting your opinions disregarding what they're saying. You are proving their point 😂😂😂😂😂😂
She's just a crazy person. She probably misplaced her feelings, or her high standards led her to spinsterhood, and now she resents ALL men.
It's not safe to share any weakness with female mate. Nothing will dry her up emotionally faster. Share your concerns/problems with the boys. They will help you figure out how to get past them. I tried this "being emotional is strong shit." My girl (now ex) hated the change, and never looked at me the same after she knew how much I stressed to get and maintain everything I have.
So one woman’s response to you was enough to overpower you?
@kellyloverewilding lol who said it was only one? Yall do that the time, the gossip and telling to all your friends about it
@@Threelegs94 so you mean to tell me that women are so powerful that they can shut down all of your emotional power?
Emotions are the inspiring energy within, so the more you feel, the more powerful you are able to become.
We’re inviting men to become more conscious of what they feel, so they may consciously direct their power in life giving ways
You don’t have to, but you also won’t have access to the best women because they will no longer lower their standards
@kellyloverewilding you are inviting men to think and act the way you want them to!!!
If you were to ask women, some would want more emotional men, and others would feel the ick.
We are conscious and have feelings. We just don't do it the way women do.
Again, listen to us, and instead of telling us what to do, meet us in the middle.
Because we are more in contact with out emotions is that we are telling you what we think. You are not listening and just demanding things. SMDH
@@kellyloverewilding These concepts sound like a pseudo-intellectual fog that promotes gaslighting in its own right. It boils down to:
Women are powerful because they tap into their emotions.
Men should do the same.
When women turn on men for doing so, it represents women using their power to shut down men's power.
When men notice and comment on this it also represents women using their power to shut down men's power.
Men should tap into their feelings anyway because that would give them power.
It's a poor sort of syllogism.
Of course, I've never been one to think in terms of emotions as power anyway, and always kind of hoped for that rare relationship that was not about power. Emotions are what we feel, they can strengthen us or weaken us or do neither and instead just be there. Depending on what one feels, those emotions can catastrophically destroy one, as well as "empower". That cannot possibly be a concept unfamiliar to women.
At any rate, men feel many things, we also think many things, and we both have feelings about what we thing and thoughts about what we feel, and we are indeed conscious of all those processes all the time.
I think some men are reacting to your call for men to be emotionally vulnerable, but when men respond you go "but not like that". Am I getting that right? I don't want to attribute opinions to you that you don't have. I just see the criticism of men's emotions coming from you, after telling men to be more emotional. Sorry if I'm being stupid here.
The men are welcome to respond how they choose, it’s just that women don’t have to accept them as a candidate for a relationship.
Man-trum all they want, we still expect men to level up if they still expect access to us.
Nothing is free.
And if it’s not a big deal to these men that we are not choosing them, and if there are so many other women to choose from, then by all means, choose another woman.
I am not putting myself out for a low standard any longer.
@@kellyloverewilding"I am not putting myself out for a low standard any longer"
Good, because neither are we. We will let our species go extinct before settling for a low value woman who only sees men as objects of contempt and ridicule. Buy a dog and stay away from us.
@@kellyloverewilding If nothing is free then pay up. Stop telling men to do what you aren't willing to.
@@kellyloverewilding Enjoy your cats, we sure will enjoy our time away from women like you ;)
Typical misandry masquerading as sophistry.
Calling men higher is love. Misandry is hating everything about them and rejecting them completely.
If men choose to stay in a state that I do not feel safe opening myself up to, then he has chosen that and I am honoring his choice.
Be you, but imma still be me and that means anyone who asks to be in my close circle, anyone who desires to enjoy my energy and all that I bring to a connection, they must be able to meet me at a certain maturity level emotionally, spiritually, mentally and physically.
The future of my lineage and of humanity rests on the choices I make with who I share my energy with.
Respectfully, my body, my soul, my destiny, so my choice!
Men will learn that we will be heard, or we will keep walking away.
@kellyloverewilding you will be heard? All we do is hear you, especially the nonsense. All we hear is women, so much so that men cannot be heard for their needs. So, by all means, play chicken with 4B. All you are doing is proving yourself out of the market, and men are replacing the most rebellious of women. You can only hold your breath so long until your fertility window closes. Women hold the cards to sex; men hold the cards to relationships.
I can't tell if you are being willfully obtuse about the subject of male emotionality. The problem is not whether men HAVE emotions. Everyone knows we do. The problem is which of those emotions it makes sense to share with a romantic partner. Here are a few examples.
* Love - welcomed
* Joy - welcomed
* Compassion - welcomed
* Fear - proven to be unattractive to romantic partners
* Sadness - proven to be unattractive to romantic partners
* Anger - absolutely not permitted
You've heard this from 50 different men but you can't seem to believe it for some reason. Instead you are gaslighting us that we must be sharing our emotions wrong or it would be working for us. Somehow you believe your fanciful daydream of how women respond to men more than the collective experience of dozens of men. So strange.
50 different men… and yet the cries of millions around the world fall on your deaf ears
Anger for many men has resulted in emotionally and ego driven wars, power over games, and a world ridden with trauma and poverty
Your priorities seem out of place, and your ability to attune to the impact of men’s emotional outburst throughout HIStory, is lacking
See? Again your response to a man's genuine perspective is "men have so much to apologize for"
This only further demonstrates that you have nothing but contempt for the male perspective.
@@peopleofearth6250 and yet he and you still fail to address the glaring elephants in the room. How many of your responses would you like me to respond to?
Is anyone going to address the questions and DIALOGUE?!
OR is the patriarchy card showing again and expecting all your needs to be met, while the feminine continues to operate in a deficit and world declines?
@@kellyloverewilding The glaring elephant in the room is the fact that you are a bigot who shows nothing but contempt for men.
@@kellyloverewilding Misandry is one of the major reasons why the world is declining so much. We have an aging and shrinking population because men and women refuse to interact with one another, and one of the main reasons why men and women refuse to interact with each other is because women cannot tolerate men expressing a full range of emotions. Men cannot express sadness, or fear, or anger, or frustration, or disgust, in the presence of a woman without her rejecting him as a person. Men don't want to open up to people who can only tolerate their positive emotions.
What is 4b?
I just looked it up: it's a feminist movement from Korea that forbids sex with men, dating men, or having kids. It's just female MGTOW
4 no's. No dating men, no marrying men, no sex with men, no children.
To add more context, I mean if they're that ungrateful for the life they've been given and get granted to wake up every day to continue breathing air, etc. That they can't pay back into the circle of life, then they don't deserve to be a part of it. Especially being so selfish I don't even care about the sex at this point I'd rather have a thought child anyhow because I'm sick of the petty lack of accountability that women have these days it's dumb and they know better than that. They're souls won't be blessed or forgiven for an act such as this guarantee that 💯 for any of the women disrespectful of our ancestors and the circle of life. They ought to be aware of how ancient of laws they are breaking there....how could they not be? Do they not understand how sacred the tradition of keeping the circle of life going is....??...
@@TheEnigmaticmuse that's just a phase. Nobody can live like that forever.
@@taghazoutmoon5031 why would you say that? I decentered women 15 years ago
If anything you have said was true men wouldn’t be going their own way. Cohabitation has become such a stressor for men in modern day with western women that they’re literally opting out and leaving. The next few years will be interesting to see because women haven’t really woken up to this yet but men are quiet quitting everywhere and completely walking away.
WGTOW's thinking they are innovative :D
I'm also not sure Peter Pan syndrome really applies- immature little boys are generally quite open with sharing their feelings about things.
You got my point, and according to the responses from men here, they’ve been indoctrinated since youth to not feel. Can’t have it both ways. Which is it?
@@kellyloverewilding So everyone that does not agree with you and holds a viewpoint to the contrary is a victim of indoctrination but you have it figured out?
@@kellyloverewildingindoctrinated by women.....
"do you think women are weak?" As a retort.
"Women live in a state of vulnerability"
You contradicted yourself in your own video
You did exactly what the commenter accused you of: you used your gender role selectively to benefit you
You did not follow the train of thought. It was meant to be to be ironic to call women weak, yet we thrive in a state they call weak. They can’t call us weak if they can’t do it and apparently need us for it
@@kellyloverewildingAnd yet again you are expressing contempt for male perspective. This is why men don't open up to you. You show nothing but contempt for us when we express ourselves.
@@peopleofearth6250 asking a question to challenge a way of living and perceiving is what adults do in conversations.
Emotional immature humans expect that only their view and needs matter.
Should I shut up and be a good girl and let the men keep “handling it”? Or maybe just plug my ears so I don’t have to hear nonsense
@@kellyloverewilding Having an adult conversation is the furthest thing from what you're doing.
@@kellyloverewilding also, this "4b movement" just means nothing changes for 80% of men.
The men are correct. You have nothing but contempt for us.
Soooooo that’s it? No reflection as to why women are upset right now? Everything else dismissed because men’s emotional needs must be catered to? Do you need to feel liked and comfortable all the time in order to feel safe?
Many men like yourself can’t handle the truth, so they blame shift.
Why should we reflect on anything for people who show nothing but contempt for our perspectives? 🤔
@@peopleofearth6250 the contempt is for the excuse making… both sides have done wrong. Will the men take responsibility for how they contributed to us getting here…. Or do you expect us women to just get over it all and move on?
We can’t move on until we learn to communicate and connect, so here wee are.
No one is saying women haven’t hurt men, what I am saying is it’s not an excuse to quit
Women are still willing to connect, it’s just gotta be different.
Maybe scroll some videos of men sharing why they agree and see if hearing a man say it differently will make sense.
My videos are not the ones to be commenting on if you’re not willing to be challenged.
@@kellyloverewilding You're the only one making excuses here. Whenever men call you out on your bigotry all you do is make excuses for it.
He never in his response blame shifts into anything he only responds back to what you have said. But I guess we have already fallen for your rage bait content so I guess congrats.
Men are CLEARLY explaining to you their lived consequences of following your advice. Or advice similar to yours. You've just chosen to not listen... this is why you're on here arguing with random men online 🤷🏾♂
I’ve listened to the excuses, and here’s the thing: women are working through their trust issues, and found ways to rebuild themselves in community.
Asking men to figure out how to heal and reconnect is what adults do.
This is something we should have learned in childhood.
It’s also conveniently ignored that our state is vulnerability, we don’t have a choice, and yet we thrive.
How do you expect a woman to trust someone who will not show themselves.
Either you desire real connection, or you don’t. But doing the same thing over and over obviously ain’t getting the response from women you’re looking for.
Is there any chance you’re able to do ANY ONE THING to shift your reality, or are women THAT powerful that they are able to stop men from emotionally and spiritually maturing?
Is that what you’re telling me? That a woman made you give up?!
How long will the victim card be played before you make different choices?
Isn’t that what men say to women who end up in abusive relationships? You should have made better choices?
Well, try that shoe on and make better choices in women. But in order to do that you gotta get honest about where you missed the mark too so you’re able to get a different outcome.
There are men doing this now, and there are also women who love these men.
Just like it ain’t all men perpetrating, it ain’t all men left out either. The ones doing their work, get the benefit of juicy connection.
@@kellyloverewilding See? You dismiss male opinions by calling them "excuses". This is the problem.
@@kellyloverewildingoh the irony of a woman accusing men of playing the victim..... Women are constantly blaming men for holding them back. And yet when we do the same thing, suddenly your narrative changes.
But that's because you are not acting in good faith. This is yet another example lf women trying to manipulate men into a place of servitude and compliance.
Well one of the downsides (for toxic women like you) of men becoming more emotionally intelligent is that we are more aware of these games yall try to play, and we are refusing to deal with women like you.
Which oddly enough will cause you to deal with less good men and end up dealing with more bad men because the good men don't want you, and the bad men know how to take all the emotionally expressive stuff to get in your pants. Yall will keep fucking yourselves over and then have rhe audacity to blame us.
@kellyloverewilding yeah TL:DR. You just don't get it... and probably never will til you get off your high horse.
@@kellyloverewildingthese men are honest and they are not the ones who raped you. You’d do better with some self reflection and seeking one on one time to talk to a good man.
U arent done with excuses. U continuously make them.
What’s your excuse for ignoring facts?
We don’t think women are weak because they show emotions they simply are societally allowed to have some of them openly. But I do see what you are saying there is a slight bias as to seeing emotions as weak
The ones seen as weak, are the ones who think emotion has primacy over all things.
As if emotion alone could make you live forever, or cure any disease.
You may not, but men have been trained to believe this and it’s ingrained in our society.
I do find surprising that the 4b movement would find resonance in the west, a set of societies that haven't been a patriarchy by Korean standards since before I was born [1970].
Longer, really. Women and their voices have had an outsized role in North America in particular, by Asian standards, long before second wave feminism, although certainly they were not yet equal. Many social movements of varying degrees of positivity [jury still out on Prohibition] were heavily driven by women. Their role in shaping American society in particular was remarked by foreigners as early as Tocqueville.
Since 1970, North America has moved so much farther in that direction that none of 4b's complaints have any relevance. Their main complaint, natalist policies, has no relevance here. Nobody, least of all government, is making women get married and raise families. Government policy is all quite the opposite, built on assuming negative population growth replaced by immigration from societies that remain more prolific, cannibalizing them for labour and talent.
I suspect that Korean natalist policy will fail soon enough, following the lead of Japan, in which decreasing numbers of either sex wish to take on the burden of family and child rearing, personal or financial, and the eventual disappearance of the ethnic/cultural group is determined, albeit slowly at first. Also not really relevant to North American concerns, which do not any longer include such considerations.
Hasn’t been a patriarchy since 1970 by Korean standards.
Is that what all these women are saying when they repeatedly share stories of feeling unsafe around men?
So they feel the patriarchy is dead, or thriving?
Show feels different when it’s on the other foot.
It’s time to listen, or don’t and enjoy the dating pool you have access to
I feel like the movement (in the west) is more about treatment from men in relationships and not so much about government policies. But those are still very fragile too. Wouldn't you say banning abortion is "making women raise families"?
@@pnx1412 the policies from the government were discriminatory towards men’s an upheld by men.
@@kellyloverewilding Until you find a way to remove testosterone from males, they will always be larger and more aggressive. And if that is your definition of patriarchy (that men are physically more dangerous), then the "patriarchy" is essentially a built-in feature of humanity.
That, however, is not the definition of patriarchy. Here's one for you, "a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line." And this is most definitely not the general state of affairs in North American.
@@pnx1412 would you say that men abandoning their children should be outlawed so that abortion never had to be an option? Or that rape was punishable by death so there were no need to abort unwanted children? Or perhaps supporting women when they get pregnant so they don’t have to choose between feeding their mouth or a second to survive
If men actually were loving men, I bet the abortion rate would plummet and women would be BEGGING to have more kids.
Using women not being judged for their feelings as an example for why its ok for men is the worst example you could have possibly produced lol
Clearly you're not aware of this little concept called "double standards" that the entirety of society levies against men 😂
The 4 B movemen in Korea was founded by a misandrist by the name of Jung Se-Young.
Se-Young is anti-marriage, anti family and of course hates men. This is certainly her choice. Funny thing about misandrists, many women dont like them either..
Of course Se-Young does think women should be single mothers depsite the overwhelming evidence children from two parent households do better in school, less likely to use drugs or engage in risky sexual behaviors leading to teen pregnancy and spread of disease. She also thinks men should be taxed more to support single mothers.
Speanking if single parent homes do you know The United States, UK and Russia are the top 3 countries for single parents. All are 1 in 4 children are born into or raiseded in a single parent home
There is an excellent book written by a female academic titles, Two-parent Privileged How the decline of marriage has increased inequality and lowered social mobility. As marriage and child decline the societal breakdown is evident.n
What I find interesting about the 4B movement in Korea is they conveniently leave out the fact for a man to get married in Korea he or his family is required to provide a dwelling, he owns, be it a house or apartment. This is why in Korea you see such age gaps when it comes to women marrying men 10 to 15 years older.
Interestingly in the late 1990s a similar, but different movement started in Japan where young men were no longer interested in getting married because in Japan a married man must surrender his wages to his wife. This has led to exceedingly cutthroat dating much like we are seeing in the USA today where a small percentage of men are pursued by 80% of the women. It has also increased female suicides by 7 times.
Yeah.
Growing up in a single-parent (usually single mother) household is one of the strongest predictors of the lack of socioeconomic success in the future.
Interestingly enough,- children of single mothers have, as you pointed out, a much higher proclivity to commit crimes and end up in prison, basically, women statistically speaking don't teach children to be productive members of society very well.
The mechanisms at play could be a bit more complex than that "explanation" but that is pretty much the outcome.
Interestingly enough, the children of single household FATHERS do not have a higher tendency towards crime than the general population.
So in terms of adapting the child to the realities of the marketplace the fathers do a better job.
Of course there could be other deficits or negative outcomes associated with growing up with only a father vs only a mother that i am not aware of.
But in short: if you want to sabotage the future of a child, make them grow up with a single mother (/or a single parent).
I dont know what this movement is about but I guess penetrating with love is my strict narture as man!
Woohoo, more love 💗
Yeah, we dont care
Ladies, protect yourselves & stay safe.😮😬🙁
Pseudo spiritual guru hippie content always promotes the idea of setting your ego aside for the sake of improvement, but is always provided by an egocentric person who believes their "goddes energy" makes them right and that they have self proclaimed to have evolved above the common man to speak from a position of authority. It's always the same format. You're not quite a copy and paste, but I see it starting to fit.
Just another bro who can’t come up with the truth on his own that must tear a woman down for using her own brains. How about you take your panties out of your ass and come up with a viable solution.
@@kellyloverewilding A very enlightened point of view. Nothing I said was to tear down women. It was directed at you personally. You don't speak for all women. It seems I struck a nerve though, which eludes that there's a hint of painful truth to what I said...
@@CrystallizedBlood1 no chord struck, just calling the ignorance out. Ain’t nobody knocking me off my path. To those that are already dead spiritually, what I say is offensive. To those that are seeking truth, my words are life. Hate all you want, all I do is getting wiser and stronger.
@@kellyloverewilding But you see that's what I'm saying. You keep asserting that your word is truth and because someone doesn't buy what you're selling they must be spiritually dead. That's an inflammatory and emotional response if I've ever heard one. It's also authoritative while being substantiated by nothing. You're free to follow your path, if it works for you, cool. I'm just pointing out that you have a very arrogant way of viewing things that men must do while ignoring the fact that men and women are different and what works for you won't work for us and to say we must be more feminine in order to not be "spiritually dead" is ludicrous.
@@CrystallizedBlood1 and so it is… enjoy the mind fuck of me not giving a fuck if you understand what I’m saying or if you’re offended by it or if you think I’m crazy. The sane ones are always called crazy before they’re ever taken seriously. I have accepted my role. Happy trolling boo 👻
So, be honest ... how much debt do you have for your gender studies degree?
Oh man, instead of facing facts you gotta make fun. So dumb.
Nice point !! We live everyday choosing to be vulnerable, its much harder to strip things away when you know youre in more danger to be hurt as a woman. Im talking mentally too because of shame.
Exactly. We’re learning and growing and expanding. You got this!
No. Please don't validate this toxic lying woman. She is wrong on every account.
@@badwolf3618 another toxic man getting tersterical and throwing a man-trum because a woman has an opinion different than his.
How about you rub those brain cells togethe, fire up some synapses, and come up with something intelligent to contribute, like maybe engaging ONE point and showing a different perspective.
The men on these comments are why you are de-centered.
But no worries because being a tyrant doesn’t work anymore, we’re still decentering you.
@@kellyloverewilding once again proving our point. We tell you how we truly feel, and you try manipulating us into thinking that we did something wrong. Good thing more men are wising up to women's lies and toxicity regarding our emotions.
You don't get to have it both ways. Either you want us to be real, or you don't.
Emily King. Look her up.
Let's all take a gander at the crime stats and the state of the planet and who "led" us here (by brutal force). Holding on to men and trying to reform or help them is the work of a confused person.
The point is we aren’t holding onto them anymore.
We’ve let them go have their initiations in the wildness of their underdeveloped emotional and spiritual development .
If they don’t want to learn, then they’ll die like they are and we’ll die like we are.
May you enjoy the life you build.
I made a comment on another vid being mock offended. I don't know if you or RUclips scrubbed it. I'm assuming RUclips. Apologies if it came off as arrogant or the like. But I did want to call out the men in the comments. I don't understand why all these men are upholding the damn system. There's no way to win the damn game. We just walk away and do something else. I'm not responsible for other men's actions, sure. Which means I can do something different. If I'm, say, overweight, underemployed, a "nice" guy with maternal enmeshment issues resulting in an inability to emotionally connect with women and years upon years of the healing journey, forever in the lost boy phase, and I get called out for it and told to man up, then I find a way through. Two steps forward, one step back. I heal and deal with my mom. I work on the weight issues (emotional shielding). I drop my need for emotional validation and see the pattern I learned from my dad. Dad was coddled and Mom turned her bitterness on me. I work on my emotional connections especially within myself. I stop being lost and find myself right here and now. I don't blame the woman for not dating me because I was unable to give her that emotional connection and safety. I don't blame the woman because she didn't rush into my life to serve as an emotional crutch. I don't blame anybody. Not even my parents. I fix it and move forward. Or work toward fixing it. And for this reason, your words don't hurt me. In fact, your words give me encouragement and strength. Other men hear bitterness. I hear, Way to go! You're on the right track! It's our time now, men and women, to become whole selves, as we are. Not fractured pieces looking to the other to complete us and raging in conflict when this fails to happen. Thank you for your videos.
thank you for this thoughtful response and I am glad you felt what I was really saying. You are on the right track, I am proud of you for taking responsibility for your life, and you have got this! I also appreciate your level of awareness of your body shape and how your past has impacted it. I’m grateful you’re consciously taking the steps to re-write the patterns handed down to you!
It is my pleasure to share, even under fire. Literally all the BS comments were worth this one human really getting it.
THank you for showing up and BE-ing the change you wish to see in the world.
One of the men from the comments, even when it was not shown in this video.
There is another comment of mine here and there too if you wanna read about the response.
Replying to your comment now, I am not sure what you mean with "playing games" or even trying to win it. What system do you think there is, that the men in the comments are upholding. The men in the comments were just sharing their experiences with how they feel about approaching women, and what bothers them in approaching them. Fear of being mocked by the women, fear of being sued or taken advantage of by the women they bond with, or afraid of women throwing a tantrum that might end up with serving jailtime and having a criminal record due to no fault of your own.
Ask me any question you like. I also wanna move forwards, but it's been established that just like you, I don't wanna bear the burden of being accused for the wrongdoings of other men's actions like Kelly does in her responses. That ancestry argument of "men having been causing wars for thousands of years and I should feel responsible for it" is entirely off the table for agreement or me changing my mind.
Otherwise, go ahead.
@@yougotOWENd not one man mentioned why they didn’t trust women, and only 2-3 acknowledged understanding my sentiments and agreeing with them.
I did get a lot of projections as to why I made the video, but no clear responses to why they don’t trust women until just now
The majority threw man-trums about why they don’t want to evolve because a woman hurt them.
And men hurt us.
We are asking you to evolve with us by taking responsibility and accountability for how we got here, and then doing things different moving forward. Period. That simple.
Just do things different.
As for how men have been taken advantage of, that’s a whole other nuanced podcast.
I will say in short tho that abuse breeds abuse. I’ve seen it time and again.
The cycles we are e sing are the power over, retaliation, etc.
You can keep your grudges and excuses and see how far they get you, or just move differently in the world so that women feel safe and have the desire to reconnect with men.
It’s like we’re telling you directly why we are disconnecting-just like men ask for-and we still get excuses.
What’s your contribution to the shift?
@@yougotOWENd First off, if I may say so, sir, I appreciate that you are articulate and not emotionally reactive. You express these points clearly. My opinion was better expressed elsewhere, such as in the comment that disappeared. That being my view that the problem is not men, per se, but the system that has conditioned us. And in not acknowledging the conditioning, in being emotionally reactive, that many commentators were unwittingly, if not defending the old system, than putting it out of their sights and placing women and feminists as the problem. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I saw it. Looking back over my comment, I see a lot of frustration with my own father during childhood glaring through. I notice so much resignation among men. I even fight it within myself. It's not our fault. But how do we address our societal conditioning and take back our power, as individuals and local communities? What does that look like? We should have common dialogue in the public sphere. But the litigiousness going on right now, that you point out, is very relevant and a very real block to moving forward. I mean, we're going to step on each other's toes in making changes, but if stepping on someone's toes leads to divorce court or even jail time, you're right. What do we do?
@@kellyloverewilding
"Share your feelings, be vulnerable" has about the same weight on a man as telling a women to "just go walk around alone and approach men if you wish to". Approaching women for us, and most certainly our feelings, also has genuinely bad reprocussions. I am talking jailtime, homelessness, divorces, being fired from the workplace and not being able to be hired again in the same field. A helpful statistic that helps out here is that men are quite likely to get into a case of physical assault unleashed on them, yet they walk around confidently on the street while having wariness in approaching women. Getting an arm broken is less punishing than losing your job or losing out on seeing your children, or be labeled a creep in a certain place, so the thought of getting beaten up is less scary than having your vulnerabilities taken advantage of by women.
There are comments sharing about a shield they have or lack of purpose they see in sharing their feelings with women. Their openings and vulnerabilities have been taken advantage of. "Our shield is not there for nothing", a comment mentioned. its punishing rather than rewarding to share our feelings. We still share them, but a lot more "matter of factly" than women do. In a way, women are way better at just saying "X upsets me, and that is why I do not do YZ anymore" and guys are just like "YZ happens, so I do not do X anymore".
Men do have the tendency of "ok, so this feeling sharing does not work. Its been taken advantage of more times than it was helpful now, and so I am not going to do it anymore".
About my contribution to the shift? I am just sticking around for these comments and see other channels about the 4B movement and what makes women have bad experiences with men, and see what I can learn. Some things I filter out as straight up bitterness and unhelpful stuff, and some I can take and match with me.
then maybe think about how women can establish contact with men. Better yet, stay in this crazy move 4B. And grow old with cats
You do know that women are purposely choosing shelter cats over men... calling them cat ladies is not an insult 😂 Men are the ones that die sooner if they are single.
Growing old with cats IS our objective. And it's far preferred than an alternative with a man. Why do you males all rely on the same lame scare tactics? You're just threatening us with a good time 😂🐈
I don't think you realize the self-own here. If women are choosing cats over men, do you understand what that says about men as companions?
@@roaroa5291Cats are emotionally indifferent and aloof
Well that’s exactly what we’re happily doing and it’s the men who seem to be so upset with our choice.
I mean, really, if it wasn’t emotionally triggering for men, then why so much hatred and anger being expressed over WORDS and BOUNDARIES?!
It’s like these men expect us to give up our bodies and souls to them no matter what! But will tell a woman in the next breath that it’s her low standards that got her fucked over by a man.
Welp, you’re right. It was the low standard that got us fucked over, so now we raised the bar. Cheers 🥂
People 😒
Old crow goes CAW CAW! Cackle!
The old crows have the wisdom sooooo I’ll take that as a compliment. Thank you 🙏🏽
@@kellyloverewilding they eat carrion
@@kellyloverewilding they also eat carrion
@@elijahwilson1422 they eat many things, and are one of the most intelligent birds.
Were you aware they remember dangerous individuals and tell all their friends and family who they are?
Sometimes they’ll caw non-stop to alert everyone, other times they’ll do group attacks.
In any case, crows are badass.
"no more temper mantrums" 🙂
I made the word up in that video probably haha
@@kellyloverewilding It's a great word, almost as good as "testerical" 🙂
Now you're inventing new words to express your contempt for male emotions. 😂
@@John-eo2bq hahahahahaha Omgoddess that’s a good one.
@@peopleofearth6250 that’s testerical hahaha get it?!