Why South Korean women aren't having babies | BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2024
- South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world, and it continues to plummet, beating its own staggeringly low record year after year.
If this trend continues Korea’s population will halve by 2100.
Governments have thrown money at the problem, giving parents monthly cash handouts and subsidised housing. But nothing has seemed to cut through and policymakers have been accused of not listening to young women about their needs.
The BBC has spoken to three women about their decision to have or not have children.
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In short people are realizing that being a mom and a wife is a scam.
A necessary scam for society to continue existing.
The men that power the device you're commenting on are motivated by women becoming wife and mothers.
This sounds crazy. So be a wage slave and end your bloodline instead?
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Really i wonder what will happen after the generation and burning of patriarchal society
Women
In Japan, many married women work part-time and come home to do all the housework and take care of their kids and not-so-helpful husbands. Later, they take care of their aging/dying parents or parents-in-law and then their husbands get old and need caring. My grandmother seemed truly happy for the first time when all that had been over, but she was like over 70 herself by then. Call me selfish but that's no fair way for women to live in a so-called modern society.
This is called a life idiot, she is lucky then 90 percent of women in this so called modern world,
She had such a fulfilling life
Yeah because those husbands work full time jobs that earn the majority if not all the income. If you stay at home or only work part-time you better be the one doing chores! Can’t freeload just because you’re a woman.
@@_ArsNova Did you even watch the video you're commenting on? Did you even read the message from @izumiozawa3719 that you're replying to? Were you raised by wolves in a forest and just now entered into human civilization for the first time so that you could make ignorant comments on the internet? You talk about married women who stay home or who work part time as if they laze about eating candy and watching soap operas with all their imaginary free time, a dumb stereotype that hasn't been relevant since the 1960's. All over the world there are men who come home from work and feel entitled to doing nothing. Women have a job too, except there's no office or factory to leave and there’s no punchcard to fill out. It's called care work and involves constantly maintaining the happiness and comfort of everyone else in your family and it literally never ends. It is just assumed that women will care for children, sick family members, elderly parents and in-laws and eventually their own husbands and grandchildren until the day a woman dies. All this care work, including daily cooking and cleaning, is rewarded with a paycheck of zero dollars, because the patriarchal order views women's contributions as insignificant. But yeah, @arsnova1321, women are the freeloaders🙄
@@_ArsNova Are u kidding? If women work fulltime job in Japan, will the husband stay at home to take care of children for them? For your info, Japan has quite bad day care system due to lack of human resources so your children needs your care until they can get to elementary school. Women can earn as much as men if they dont do this child bearing shit. Im working in Japan now so feel free to refute me
@@hiimatttell me any women who would marry a man who is a "house husband" or earns less than her?
It’s not selfish to not want a child. It’s selfish to have a child in a life that you cannot afford and make their lives miserable
I agree on this. But what about the dependency ratio? It's gotta be immigration right?
That's a subjective opinion
@@Samuftie at some point it’s probably goanna be immigration
@@ecs1e news flash, all opinions are subjective
@@yabazyabacoffee news flash, some people treat their opinions as fact
This comment section is a testament to why women don't want to get married or have children.
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Agreed, they comment section is always full of the same incel men since they have the most time to dwell on this shit. All of their collective brain usage and they still waste it on blaming woman for not doing enough.
it's a testament to effective propaganda. there is no point in a life without family, no point to living to toil in some career.
@@user-tm8jt2py3dit's not about that, it's about having the freedom of choice and not being tied down to a patriarchal construct that a family must be needed to be happy especially if you don't have the finances or ability to actually create a "happy" family
@user-tm8jt2py3d Really comes down to what that toil means to you. Not everyone derives meaning and joy from having a family and kids. Whether you have kids or not, you will struggle. The point is women now have the agency to choose what struggles they take on and what benefits they stand to gain from those choices.
"Why would women choose a path which disadvantages them".. on point 👏
She is a true monster, everything is about her and her needs. I wouldn't want a child to grow up with such a greedy and selfish mother so maybe it is for the better...
@@alexandruraresdatcuthen why men are so selfish?
@@alexandruraresdatcu It's hard to imagine a mom who saw me as a someone who disadvantaged her.
TYPICAL FEMINISM DYSFUNCTIONAL THINKING.
@@sunen7129do you, men already own house, fixed income, pension plan and trust fund for children education until college? In this economy? So women can be mother without worry of their own future
Any educated women will choose not to have kids unless they have the finances and freedom and a supportive partner.
Most times when they check all that off their list, their eggs are dried up and can’t have the kids they waited so long to have.
@@teresitaperegrina3741
Boohoo. Too bad this disgusting society isn't giving women the support they need for having kids.
Also, egg freezing and a variety of ivf exist.
@@teresitaperegrina3741🫠
@@teresitaperegrina3741 so what do you think they should do?
Have them early?@@meem524
The last woman mentioned she was doing 3-4times of housechores than her husband, even though she was educated as much as he. Don't you see the point? Lol
And she was probably earning a lot less than him at work too eventhough she's just as educated
She also said these two points:
- Women aren't having children because it gets in the way of their career
- Women would have more kids if society let them work less
These two points seem in opposition.
@@gregsimoes8645 And both are correct. If the work hours are less then women can have children without affecting their career. What's so hard to understand about it?
@@mithraareeckal6628If you get fulfillment from your career, then good for you. But that also means you want more TIME with your career. The woman who said that is a cartoonist, which means she can spend exactly as much time as she chooses on her career. Entrepreneurs are the same way, they can choose their own hours, but ones that put in less time will overwhelmingly fail, because the business needs their attention.
If (most) women want the BENEFITS of a "career" (money, time out of the house, hang out with coworkers) then that's something totally different and in line with her proposed solution. Most people don't have "careers" they have "jobs". My point is that I don't think most women are giving up childbirth because they want a "job". If you could snap your fingers and make it so every Korean woman who had a kid magically gets several million dollars, how many of them would split time between raising the child and a "career" vs. "whatever random thing I enjoy that doesn't pay my bills". (And I don't mean that in a sexist way, I think most men would happily split time between raising a kid and whatever else if you gave them enough money to not need to work ever again)
She think somehow being a mother is beneath her. And somehow she think having some degree entitles her to a certain paycheck.
Another reason why women don't want children is because there's no laws that protect women and children if the father decides to leave or passes away or if he puts hands on the women and children.
If he refuses to pay child support or alimony then the women and children can face a life in poverty.
A woman will no children can easily find work but a woman who has children is a whole different story.
True, very true and that's the case in majority of the countries of the World
Women abuse children more though, js.
If a man does not pay child soppurt the police will kill him over it, women are so protected it has mede them weak to the point were they no longer want to fight for anything. Only complain and blame men.
Incorrect. Almost no where in the western world can a man relinquish financial responsibility for a child so long as he pays tax . Ever heard of child support?
@@sagancobra6402
South Korea is not the western world it is East
The world is a scary place today and I totally understand why so many people choose not to have a child.
The world has _always_ been a ‘scary place’. No one gets outta here alive. 👍
We all living in the devil's world nowadays 🤫
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I absolutely love these women!
@@Hachi-Roku86268 no family plan and a custom where children are needed to support you in your old age
I am Korean male who lived in US and Europe and I think South Korean fathers, in general, are the worst fathers I've ever seen. They spend the least amount of time with their kids and do the least amount of household work. There's really a bad tension with mothers and fathers and frankly I can't blame women who choose not to deal with this. Even sadder are the sons of these fathers that would likely choose not to have kids when they get married because they realize they will not be any better.
I had a cruel stepfather and didn't have children with my good wife because I thought I would follow his pattern.
I'm wondering how long it'll take for Koreaboos to realize that actual Korean men aren't nearly so chivalrous once committed
@@treefarm3288 It was your mother's fault.
@@thinktwofoldIt was his step father's fault for being a piece of crap father.
@@thinktwofoldyes lets blame the woman for his step dad. Male. How dumb you get males
I don't get it. Korea, one of the most technologically advanced nations on earth, treats their women like "the help"
These women don't wanna have kids bc of all the stress and responsibility falls on them with
taking care of the kids most of the time, doing most of the housework while working a Job
It's extremely stressful to do all of those, so korean women decided kids aren't worth that much struggle
@@No1shigeokageyamafan Yeah, I can't blame them
I think the mental progress doesn’t follow material progress in the same speed. Most young korean men think they are victims of equality cause they lost male privileges their fathers enjoyed.
They are well known still have high case of patriarchy. Common in Asia.
Korea may be technologically advanced but socially it is still extremely conservative in many ways. When a woman marries she is often expected to become a "daughter" (unpaid maid) of her husbands parents and domestic abuse is not a rare thing.
Damn, the men in the comment section ACTUALLY giving proof about the video.
How about you argue an actual point then? Instead of just throwing names? Or just admit you have fallen for the propaganda please.
@@hellowill What do you mean? You can just check it out yourselves.
I don't need to argue something that's already there.
@@Embrinna ironically though, women like you are the reason more and more men aren't dating.
@@hellowillThe women in the video gave you actual points and maybe that's why her country is going extinct cause they are not willing to listen and play ignorant like you
@Mintchips569the pooint was she was given 2 comments but still no one knows what her issue is
paycheck to paycheck why have a kid when you're already living so close to poverty.
Why have kids? Well, how about experiencing self-sacrificing, unpossessive charity, and forging an eternal bond within a loving family? Maybe it's to carry on your bloodline, the very thing your ancestors and predecessors fought tooth and nail to preserve. An ancestry that weathered bloody battles, survived famines, traversed distant lands to settle and build a country while still having children - where we now enjoy wash machines, electricity, and neatly packaged food in nearby supermarkets but now people want to just give up and forfeit a family life for some shitty career or a solo cat lady gig, obsessing over stuff that never brings real happiness.
Don't throw away the legacy they worked so hard to create! It's time to stop acting like men trying to build wealth when having money to visit a dirty Paris or to eat a cake outside will not replace the amazing love you get from creating new life, human life, eternal souls.
We should recognize the responsibility women have for their nation and family. Preserve the culture, uphold the identity, and contribute to creating new generations that can bask in the beauty of life. Don't let paycheck-to-paycheck living rob you of the profound experience of building something meaningful - you can always have children-
@@CroElectroStile You know many men like you don't care about kids we know it you are scared because migrants come into your countries and therefor you make these arguments because they fear that they will be a minority soon but at the same time conservative men also hate women and feminism so you guys have to fight at 2 fronts at the same time making these useless comments trying to almost begging women: "please have kids otherwise the western world will collapse" please women to have kids is actually beautiful I promise but also only European kids pls"
This is all political you don't care about kids you care about your political ideology and it is disgusting
@@CroElectroStileWow sounds like you have some massive generational wealth to fall back on. Well let me burst your bubble dear- not all of us lay on a bed of roses. Besides, if you don't have any money, how are you supposed to raise a child? Sure you could produce an entire litter but I wonder if after that there would be commenters like you paying for clothing and feeding them. It is better to not bring kids into the picture if you're going to subject yourself and the kids to eternal damnation anyway
@@CroElectroStile so, how exactly you sacrificed yourself for your country?
@@CroElectroStile Embarrassing.
Society is surprised that women now can choose NOT to have a kid.
Thats exactly what they wont, dont be stupid. This society doesnt care for people/women/children/men, only workforce, money. If it was family oriented it would be natural for people to want children and it wouldnt be overwhelming..
I was going to say, in many countries this is the first time women can actually choose not to have children. Its been studied and proven the more educated women are, the less kids they want.
I do think there are also societal and economic problems keeping women who do want children from having them though.
@@uniquethedominiquethere is no correlation between being family oriented and choosing not to have children . Loads of ppl choose not to have children due to other factors not because they don’t want children . Most women acc want children but can’t cuz of the cost and other factors
only in developed society...My God people in the comment sections are sp stupid. Go to Africa or India ..go to under develop countries women are making babies like rabbits because that is their only options. Korean women are liberated..and have other choices. This is western media propaganda to make Korean look so backwards. Think
Well, it's sad that most of the reasons presented in this video have to do with cost-of-living etc. tbf
Can not fault these women for being intelligent. They are using logic and reason.
If you think what they said was sound logic and reason, you need to make sure you don't reproduce either.
I see no sign of above-or-below normal intelligence. You laude the persons for a choice you support, but the choice doesn't speak to IQ or lack of it. It is just a choice based on their personal values and preferences.
Have you seen "Idiocracy" (2005)? If the only people having children are the stupid ones, that will create a few problems
That's exactly what is having men burn 😅 imagine if global women get influenced. The power dynamics will easily shift. We don't need so much population anyways. Especially the poor women of asia and Africa should try their level best to not give kids to useless men
Being a married stay at home mom is working a full time job for no pay and few benefits, what's the point? Raise a mans children so he can leave when he is bored?
And they leave the children behind and start a new family like we don't exist
Don't worry, artificial wombs are already here, please use you vote to legalize them sooner!
@@foxylady6901 Yeah, exactly. It's so disgusting. Also, a lot of them start new with a much younger woman. It's extremely predatory.
Um, 70% of divorces are filed by women. The most unhappy demographic there is, is the 40-year-old single, childless professional woman. Take it from someone with fewer years ahead of me than behind, YOUR JOB WILL NOT FULFILL YOU!
@AniWho268 it's so strange that Korea does ZERO benefits for pregnant women and housewife. Most other Conservative societies like in Central Asia has laws that protect pregnant women right to work, and she can't be legally fired, different social payments and helps. I really don't get it
Indian here, my parents work 9-5 job but my mother has to do household chores all alone after coming home while my father gets to have free time, goes outings with his friends and family or just simply sleep while my mom prepare for dinner after work. He doesn't bother to even offer help, my mom and i do all the household chores, it doesn't stop there my father do not even take to us to hospital when we fell sick, do not take us out like to buy household appliances etc so we had to depend on him for transportation bcuz my mom doesnt know to drive a vechile we would have to spend lot of money for auto fares. Growing up seeing how my father barely did any contribution to his family I've decided not to become a mother and live a hell of a life with this kind of a man.
Men need to earn more money if they want their spouses to stay at home and have kids. I would happily be a mom if my man makes money that is sufficient enough in this economy not when he himself couldn't secure a job at these present times.
I am from India too. Exactly the same happens in my house as well.
Bless you both 🙏
Your dad must be earning 5x than your mom for sure considering the gender pay gap. So the equation is imbalanced already. If you want equality you need equal distribution of labour. Since ur father earns more than ur mom, your mom is compensating that with her work.
@@kryptonite0018 A higher paying job ≠ harder work.
My dad earned a lot more than my mom before he retired, but my mom is the one to take care if 10 screaming children every day. Me and my dad gets tired just baby sitting my sisters 2 kids. 10 and more is a nightmare. My mom is the overworked hero, no matter the income she brings.
At least my dad is an amazing guy and does the shopping and cooking, while my mom do the house cleaning and laundry. It baffles me how it's more normal in households for the women to do all the house work as well as shopping and cooking, while the man get's to relax. Even tho they both have been at work the same day.
You're never payed by effort. You're payed what your boss's boss wants to spend on their employes. The county/state does not care to pay a lot for their public kindergarten teachers who literally ruin their hearing in their job, but a big private company with expensive products are more likely to pay their employees a fair wage for some office time.
If people got payed for their efforts, then there would be a lot of other jobs with higher salaries. Like teachers, nurses, artists..
@kryptonite0018 not sure if you lack reading comprehension or if you're just being willfully ignorant, but op used the plural form of parent when they were describing the people who earn money in they're household ("my parents work 9-5") so if the mother works those hours but is still expected to do all the housework IN ADDITION to her 8-hour shift, how exactly is that "an equal distrubution of labor"? What exactly is the mother compensating for, when she has a job outside the home, same as her husband?
The answer is simple. People don't have the time and teens aren't stupid enough to get pregnant
Jokes on you, Americans are!
@@Iris_toojokes on you, this is about korea
@@Iris_toodon't worry about it America and stop speaking English. You double agent. Your rat! 😂😂😂
@@Iris_tooI’m Canadian
and yet they're stupid enough to be unable to afford to get pregnant
My husband "talked the talk" about sharing domestic chores and childcare when I also worked before the marriage. But after marriage he did not "walk the walk".
This is one of my biggest fears about getting married. I’d love to have a lifelong marriage with a man, but too many do a 180 once the marriage license is signed and kids are involved.
Is he going to be an "ex-husband" anytime soon?
Most men are like this.
That's the equivalent of a woman ageing and becoming unattractive over time, at some point , everyone becomes something different to the person you signed up for. If you can't accept that people can change, then don't participate in traditional marriage.
@@ecs1e Hahaha...what? You think guys stay beautiful forever? I see lots of young guys in their 30's and even 20's that are balding, overweight and seem to have very questionable hygiene. And anyway that has nothing to do with what OP said. Men don't do their fair share of chores and child care... this is a very common complaint among women. And women are sooo tired of it.
Raising children is the hardest thing you'll ever do in your entire life.
lol
But it's rewarding when they grow up to be successful. Knowing that you've created life. But society makes it so hard to raise a little one.
@@BlinkCatBee you cannot keep expectations on a child to be "successful". What if they are not? What if they want to do something entirely different than what you want them to? :(
@@Deekshaaaa._ When I said successful, I left it to be interpreted. You don't have to be wealthy or what parents want for you. Being successful in life means that you're happy and comfortable with your life.
@@BlinkCatBeeLet's be honest here, that's not what you meant.
I used to live in South Korea and the WORK HOURS are INSANE. Even the CHILDREN work until midnight with their studies. I taught at a school where our last class of the day was at 10 PM!! 10 PM and kids were still at classes. Plus, Korea has NO social supports= no EI, welfare, family allowance, maternity time, etc etc
When I read your description: why would you go there voluntarily, is the pay better than western countries?
@@houseplant1016"Cause yt men have weak game" - Socrates
@@silveriver9 💀bro can't let it rest, knew you felt targeted, you got ratioed on all comments
@houseplant1016 Says the one that's all over every thread on this video lol 💀
@@houseplant1016 I was a recent university grad with my BEd, wanted to get teaching experience AND travel at the same time. The pay WAS better, but the other things I didn't know until I got there.
because they get fired and never hired again if they have kids at many companies.
@@Psycheeeee feel free to do that yourself buddy
what a shithole sounds like n korea
@@Psycheeeee social environment? Under a video about three women persisting against the combined power of patriarchy and capitalism? And you want "logic"?
No, really. What are you afraid of? That other men will laugh at you? You saw "mockery" in my simple answer to your question. Why don't you become the change you want to see in the world? That not "rational" enough for you?
@@Psycheeeee k, that's your perspective, not the facts
@@Psycheeeee is using big words, which don't mean what you think they mean, your way of intimidating those you can't counter with "logic"? you didn't answer what's stopping you from becoming a househusband. you just want a fight for the sake of it.
I am in my 40s and from South Korea and here is some funny thing. I was told to get highest education as much as I can, get a best job as much as I can, and then, suddenly my mom reminded me of that I need to cook breakfast for my future husband and if he cheats on you, I just need to endure because he will be back. This is the distorted lessons from my mother. This is not just about man needs to be changed. It is the entire social mindset that needs to be changed.
So you're being taught to stay in an unfaithful marriage for the sake of what...being married?! What's the reward at the end for that?!
@user-mv7kh5sv9z STD like cervical cancer and divorce when she gets sick and old. Tbh, 80% of South korea men divorced their wife when she diagnosed with cancer.
I am surprised to know this thing, then your culture is nothing different from typical Indian culture.
@@anchalrajvanshi1023 true , both needs to be changed
@@focusonyourself24-7 indeed , no doubt about it.
As an English teacher to Koreans, I always see this with my students. Just this Friday alone, i asked my students what they’ll do on the weekend, men told me personal trip n activities for themselves, while the women would be doing activities with their children. Asked the mothers when would have personal time for themselves and some of them said what’s that? 😢
That is so sad. Mothers and wives get no time off and no breaks.
@@foxylady6901 because mothers allow it, unfortunately women are more agreeable which means they just don't like saying no.
@@jayc342009and WHO Takes Care of the children when they are saying No? Its Not about that Woman are more agreeable :/ ITS about that they dont have a choice
@@user-fn9ds1so7tthe fathers, since they helped produce those kids
There are a few MRA men in Korea. Do you believe what they say has any validity or is it just internet propaganda?
“Why would women choose a path that disadvantages them?”
Good question…
Same goes for anyone...
But I would say.. Feminidm has Skewed our value system...
So it begs the question, what do you mean by "disadvantaged"?
@@rammingspeed5217 If getting a child automatically means you don't have enough money to buy good food for both you and your child, if it means you will be able to rest and recover even less than you can right now (because of your demanding job), if it means you have to beg your boyfriend or husband to do their fair share of child-rearing and household chores and still end up looking after him like he's your second child...? Yeah that's a disadvantage. Not a single human being or animal would willingly lower the quality of their own life if they do not have to, that's against our basic biology. Unless the society and culture and worklife changes so that getting a child actually feels like a gift (which it should be of course!) rather than a burden, nothing is going to change.
How has feminism skewed the value system? Why do you think we are in this situation now? Because of your s*it value system
Patriarchy is the problem not feminism
@@laranichfeminism is causing the low birthrates countries that are more feminist have the lowest birthrates bring back traditionalism.
Indian here. My dad was bread winner, while my mom used to do household chores. But that didn't stop my dad to help my mom whenever she needed. Considering my father used to work at a desk, sitting on a chair for the entire day and my Mom doing all household works by herself, he regularly made sure that my mom didn't overwork. My grandparents on the other hand had typical orthodox mindset. So the beginning days of their marriage was rough, not gonna lie. But things are much better now.
Good for your dad!
Birth rates are going down in India a well
Already at 2.0-2.1
It makes all the difference. I'm working a 40 hour job, but when I get home I know that my wife's been working with our young kids the entire day. I've tried really hard to make sure there aren't times when my wife is cleaning or taking care of the kids by herself when I'm home. Does she do more housework than I do? Absolutely. But I try really hard to keep the overall balance of work fairly even, or give her a break when she's just done. I feel so bad for those families where they expect the mom to do all the work, it just doesn't seem sustainable.
@@fly463 2.1 is still replacement rate so I don't think they'll face a demographic crisis anytime soon.
@@theonlyconformist yeah won't face one in another 40 years atleast
If the government plays their cards well, we might see India get a soft landing
i love how all this three women choosing to love themselves first instead of what society expects from them. i do not care if birth rate is declining as long as these women are happy with their decision.
❤❤❤❤ Yes!!!
❤❤ yup
The reason why Korean men's housework hours are low in the world is because most Korean couples are dual-income households. It is a false statement to say that just based on housework hours alone, the level of Korean men's participation in housework is similar to that of underdeveloped countries.
Domestic experts in Korea point to the fact that most of the advanced facilities in Korea are concentrated in Seoul, leading to an excessively high population density, as a cause of Korea's low birth rate. It is not very related to the issue of women's rights that Westerners claim.
Although I am Asian, I acknowledge that Westerners have progressive thinking when it comes to technical and creative thinking. However, Westerners are a group that cannot think logically when dealing with women's rights and PC-related issues.
They do not understand at all the problems that Asian countries have, yet they are trying to fit Asian countries into their own mold.
Those your type of bullshit women will forever say it. But soon there will be no space for women of your's type idiot😡😡😡
Rich women can have the kids.
Speaking as a man if men stepped up more more women would have more children. In the culture women are expected to do all the house choirs at the same time work? Why tf would women want to have children
Won't change a thing if you can not afford kids. Trust me I have a friend that makes enough to hire nanny.
It is truly the most scary thing, and i saw it happened with my friends.
Why would you like a situation where you feel like a slave... which is taken been advantage off?
True, I have a friend who really wants to be a mother. But seeing the life of her mother, aunts, cousins, looking at the men who court her, she is disheartened.
You're kidding. The economy would suffer if women decided to leave - the problem is the idea of corporate constant growth. It doesn't consider family structures, rather benefits from these insecurities.
So true. Also, lots of times, men are lazy too. Even if the wife is a stay at home mom, they should still over to help her clean the bathroom, or wash dishes after she cooked. Helping in small ways helps alot.
As a foreigner who teaches English in Korea..the childhood I had differs from the kids I teach. All the studying they do after public school hurts my inner child 😢.
Education is a trap.
Yep explains their high suicide rates ! kids need to be kids
not humans but robots
They don’t get a childhood sadly.
I would also feel bad seeing those kids studying to the wee hours of the night. At some point I would go back to my home country for my sanity and peace of mind, if possible.
I homeschool my kids in Africa and they do serious study about 3 hours a day and get to play or have other fun activities for the rest of the day. I'm grateful and wouldn't have it any other way.
Atleast they know that they can't take care of children nor provide for them instead of some other parents who straight up abuse
So true!
Exactly
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People used to feel obligated to have kids and look at where that brought us. Tons of people with trauma and mental health issues brought into an unsupportive world.
@@coolbreeze5683it also brought us the most comfrotable, evolved, stable and safe civilizations in history?
People complain about single mothers, mothers not being able to afford children, bad parenting, etc. Now they decided to not have children to avoid all those problems they're the bad guys?? Make it make sense...
Women's responsibility is to pick a good man to father the children. Not be a getto babymama. Men's responsibility is to pick a healthy nurturing woman to be the mother. Both are often lacking but it starts with women's choices.
@@edheldudeghetto is a western term which doesnt apply to south koreas culture
Opinion rejected
@@LiberatedNotes It's description of the same level of incompetence. Both men and women have basic biological and social roles and responsibilities to ensure the wellbeing of your offspring.
Not choosing a good father because you don't know how or you think you can replace him with welfare money is a failure in the most basic first step of being a mother.
They are "the bad guys" because it's negligence. It has serious consequences for the child's development and further socially.
@@edheldude But then you accuse women of being golddiggers for wanting a man with money. Make it make sense.
Even as a Korean-American, I haven’t had a single happy relative who was a wife with children. They would work, come home and clean/take care of the kids, take care of their husband, and repeat. Some hubbies still cheated while continuing to need support like babies 😭 even my own dad, as much as I love him, many times I see my mother being taken advantage of and being so tired which is why I work so hard to give her a cozy retirement life at least… but I think if she never had me, she could’ve pursued her dreams and be living that lifestyle right now. :(
Children will only be closest family who will outlive u..and take care of u..
Society will be inherited by those who value life and it's continuity.....
If u don't see any value in the life...u became with the sacrifice ur mother made..
And u want to live single and end ur lineage....ur mother made a mistake of sacrificing her life..for u..
@koreangirlmd dude you're talking Korea in 80s or 90s at the latest... things have radically changed over there and so much so it's almost the opposite to what you have (vicariously) experienced.
@@KyleKimGoesON except the video you wrote that under contradicts your statement as do stats.
Don't blame yourself. Your parents chose to have you. Sure, it's easier for women when they don't have children, but a lot of women are still pursuing their dreams despite having children. Husbands need to be far more supportive to their wives. Women would have time to do a lot more if their husbands actually did their fair share of the housework and raising the children. Well, men are refusing to do their share, so I'm glad that more women are choosing to stay single and do what they want.
Exactly. Even nowadays it happens. First their promise to help and support, but then when they realize how much effort a child is ... they log out. But the mother has to stay logged in, because their children deepend on her much more.
It is amazing how in most of the world, child care and women are dismissed. I chose not to have children - motherhood is not respected.
Try being a man for 20 minutes and you'll know what being dismissed feels like.
@@thinktwofoldBoohoo incel
In most Western countries, women are allowed paid parental leave. The fertility rate in these countries, including France, Denmark and the US is over twice that of South Korea.
@@thinktwofold Women not wanting to fuck you is not you being “dismissed”… not even close to what mothers experience socially
@@thinktwofold”Now how can I make this about me?”
It is ridiculous how “government” pretend not to know why Korean dont want kids!!! They just dont want to accept that their long hour work, study, low support culture is destroying their own country! I live in Europe, have 2 kids who go to school till 2 pm and then enjoy their care free childhood with no pressure and pure joy, i work from 9 till 5 an feel happy but I know this is a norm here while looks like privilege in Korea.
You mean extra schools? If this is something kids wants, activities or daycare then perfect, but not extra on extra after school.
@@hjkloj and that the issue, were i live we have daycares after school were kids enjoy their times while parents pick them up after work at 6 but not at 10. And this is 60-95% covered by the government. And after 10-12 they are old enough to be 2-3 alone.
HOW ABOUT WOMEN DONT NEED CHILDREN TO LIVE A FULFILLED LIFE?!!! Children aren’t everything, and glad women are waking up to this!
@@elisaaguilar6423 how about shut up. Most women would have kids if the support was there and the society wasn't choking their lives with work.
You can do well without children qnd that's good for you, the point is most of these women can't even consider it because their society is structured to punish them for it, stop missing the point cat lady
@@elisaaguilar6423 It's a pointless life that is dead end. It's like a collective s*icide cult to end their family lines because they don't want to carry any responsibilities. They're the richest, most educated, most comfortable generation - and quitters.
Birth rates are down here in Canada as well. I am 49 years old and female. I made a conscious choice in my teens I didn't want kids. Which wasn't that popular amongst my peers. All of them have kids. Women are statistically disadvantaged when it comes to having kids. Men not so much. They don't lose jobs or earnings when they have kids. Very little changes for them professionally. Wpmen sacrifice so much more.
Too much.
Enjoy being a chinese colony.
You lose much and gain more it used to be called family. By the way, who do you think will support you if you live to your 80s and 90 your peers' children and grandchildren. People don't know, but very soon, there won't be something called retirement. You will work until you can't, then burn your savings, and if you're still alive, you will get disposed off. we're just hoping that technology will provides for us food and energy..... with minimum work of humans before we reach this point.
@gyg1910 many people no longer agree with the choice to have children so you will have someone to take care of you when you're old
Who told you that children don't abandon their parents? That's a huge misconception.
We learned from our mothers and grandmothers. Domestic abuse was common and even normal for their generation, and women were slaves to the husband's family, especially their mother-in-laws. At least two times a year on new years and thanksgiving, wives were expected to cook for the husband's whole family, including all the cousins and nephews, because she had to "pay her respect" to her husband's ancestors. Meanwhile, the husband and his family do nothing but eat and enjoy the food. The wife isn't supposed to eat with them and eats the leftovers after dinner.
Now, Korea's patriarchy taken the worst parts of Confucianism and Capitalism and expects women to suffer as their previous generations did while also working full time. Every human is motivated by their survival and self-interest; women learned that they cannot be the ones who silently suffer and do all the work behind the scenes while never given credit for the labor.
I won't have children because this world doesn't deserve my children
Which world?,, hear the nonsense you are saying
@kareemteniola3634 the only world that can sustain human life.
.@@kareemteniola3634
World has always been cruel. It's just that women now are less submissive and both men and women are less religious and don't blindly follow the culture. Now they can more confidently decline having kids. I see where you are coming from.
@@kareemteniola3634 .
Because they’re wise?
nothing wise about being a genetic dead end
Lol. No
It is a problem with the social system. Many women want to have a family one day, but they also want to have a career. The problem is that people (men and women) are expected to work so much that they don't see any possibility to start a family because taking time off during pregnancy and when raising a kid will set them back years in the pursuit of climbing the corporate ladder, if it doesn't get them fired first. The fact most men expect the wife to be the only one raising the kids and taking care of the home surely doesn't help at all either. With the current culture they are forced to chose between children and a career, there is simply not enough time for both. I wouldn't say it is inherently a wise choice, they are just forced to pick the option they think will make them least unhappy in the end, which is kind of sad.
@@ike7484 dude my dad forced my mom to get a full time job...she is making 90% of my dad's salary...she is doing all the household chores...how is that fair??..i have seen my mom suffer it is the same reason why I won't date or marry and it is the same case with my frnds too
@@YazhiniS-kn8zi That's what I mean, starting a family in Korea as a woman means essentially working two full time jobs, one at the company and one in the home. Raising a kid is also so much more work in Korea than most other countries with how competitive the school system is. If something doesn't change Korea(ns) will be gone in a couple hundred years.
Why would ANYONE want to condemn a child to live on a planet that is being deliberately and systematically rendered uninhabitable through the greed of a very small group of corporations and rich men. Nope.
A very small group? This isn't just about the greed of rich men, this is about men in general. So many children first experience abuse at the hands of their own father, or another man in their family. Men don't want to be nice. They like to harm everyone and everything thing. That's the messed up truth. As long as men remain the way they are (men will never change), society is doomed. All of the injustices experienced will only increase.
Because of the small hope that you may, with luck and hard work, enter that very small group of corporations and rich men and women?
@@ecs1elol there is no point in holding out hope for that. We are just trying to enjoy our lives
@@kernaishaxoxo Some people, because of their culture or their personal views, place their children ahead of themselves.
You are so way off with your view that it's not even funny. The planet is full of life, you have more freedom for self-determination than ever, more economic and educational opportunities than ever, we are more peaceful than ever, and here you are playing the victim. Life used to hard, now it's easy, and you still fail.
Lots of women, including myself, are choosing the same path for similar reasons in the USA
Sad 😢
Yesss!! 🥰 And I’m so happy! F*ck having kids. And this world, including douchebag women, will make you feel. “Worthless” bc you don’t have a f*ck trophy. But the sick joke is…ppl make women feel this way bc they, including women again, want you to suffer the misery of motherhood 😂
@@mariamoments478No one cares what you think! Pendeja
Men have noticed that we are exporting feminist brain rot across the world. Women in the US call us sexist when actual sexism exists in other countries. Because these women literally just fell for propaganda here it’s not beyond our elite to try and lower birth rates on purpose that’s what they want as well as more workers instead of housewives. I’m glad TikTok is banned it’s gonna go a long way in preventing our enemies from influencing our women because that’s what’s happening they love it when the thing that built this nation called the family unit is struggling because it makes the men who’s only drive to participate in society being a woman suffer as a result and you can say you don’t care about that but you’ll start to notice it I promise. These women out here really picking the worst guys, calling all men trash because of that and then making police’s that hurt men and we noticed. Why do you think men in my generation aren’t even dating yall can go live with your cars in waiting when I’m 30 to date the next generation who will course correct from the lunacy. If I didn’t have a family I would have killed myself 4 years ago you are advocating for removing that safety net for the next generation and I’m already laughing.i used to call myself a leftist until I realized half their social movements are about control and misandrists are starting to take over so not anymore I’m voting right as are most young men. And it’s because the left has fucked up their policies so bad I’d take the calamity that Trump will cause the economy over the horrid social movements the left continues to support. Many men think like me the left is cooked this election just looking at my peers. I’m not going to let them replace my family with immigrants and turn my life into one I’ll be miserable in because they decided straight white men don’t get to have fun here I can go to Thailand and be top 5% of wealth in the world with a job at McDonald’s you don’t get mad at job seekers for looking at better markets. I’ve felt targeted all my life as a high functioning guy by misandrists if there ever was a patriarchy I have yet to benefit from it you think we are happy about the state of our women either because we aren’t lol we wouldn’t date anyone repeating these movements with a ten foot pole I promise. Because most young women I’ve dated just assumed I got to my job and degree through a patriarchy not beside I worked my ass off for a degree and payed it on my own and they take zero accountability thinking I can take the fall for every wrong against them why would I love someone like that it’s a real question. Chivalry is dead and women killed it men are just adapting. Unless you think single mothers raising kids is the way to go, my friend was raised by a single mom and he shot himself last year he was a valedictorian. Young men need women to do well and you all know this but you don’t care don’t expect us to be there for you in a war or when they want to settle down the left fails to realize they gave men nothing to fight for. One day you’ll need conservative guys like me that actually kept their testosterone high then we will be seen as useless again after the war.
You had a good run. 3 bn years and then you are the most wealthy you've ever been and you just quit before the race even started.
Children are expensive and time consuming. Plus having none is much more comfortable. Fast forward, if they become troublesome teens, your problems are compounded indeed.
"I don't want to do hard things. I enjoy being lazy and selfish." Imagine where society would be if every human thought this way.
@ericfromeng Like the leaves of an oak tree that wither and fall during autumn, they have to be replenished to maintain the life and strength of that massive oak tree. Population decline is worrisome among world leaders like Japan, Italy, South Korea. So far, the U.S. is not affected because of immigration. For a country to maintain its viability, each woman has to have 2.1 offsprings or 10 women having 21 offsprings as a minimum. That's assuming those offsprings would become productive and contributing members of society.
The real problem is measuring living human beings as if measuring investment risks. People shouldn't be valued by money or by obedience. How dehumanizing is that? Are children really only worth it if they don't "cause problems?" I've never seen a war started by children, so it seems to me that adults are way more problematic than any teen, child, or baby.
Also, "time-consuming"? Really? And pining for wealth isn't time-consuming? People aren't working 60+ hours a week, no weekends, to gain riches that they'lljust have to leave to someone else when they die? Seriously, when did we decide that gaining wealth is the measure of someone's character and a measure of a "successful" life? If this is truly the direction we want to go then we deserve the inevitable extinction that will come with it.
@youtubecommentator6023 It's more than an investment risk. With an investment, you can withdraw your money when things are becoming unpleasant. Not with children.
It's admirable when folks truly admit to themselves that they don't have the resources, time, and temperament to have children.
@@ericfromengImagine if everyone got to make decisions that were best for themselves without other people judging them LIKE YOU. Last time I checked you aren't going to financially support this commentor's "kids". You're not going to babysit, you're not going to help with chores so she can rest because the "baby" kept her up all night. So shut it.
How about, women are not incubators for governments and their policies. It's their personal business id they don't want to and they don't have to
That's exactly what they are for any government. Similarly, men are working drones in the colony.
Without that, you have no new people, no taxes, and finally, no country.
It's not about personal business or 'rights.' It's about giving people THE CHANCE to have children. And that rests squarely on the government's deaf ears.
It’s not for the government it’s for the continuation of the human species. Stop trying to justify the obvious reason which is women are lazy and hate children by saying “we don’t do things for government”.
That doesn't mean anything. People do whatever they're told - right now they're told to work, instead of having children.
Tell that to NK when they invade.
Why would anyone want to be a mother? I'm one we get treated like crap, thrown on the scrapheap, only jobs you can get are poorly paid and part time, you have to do all the housework, expected to do all the childcare. men don't get treated like we do in any society they have it all and are given opportunities and respected as individuals. nothing like becoming a mother to turn you into a feminist, the scales really fall from your eyes, I'm glad younger women are now listening to their mothers more or seeing how they are treated and saying no, I will not live that life.
Thank you for your honesty!! ❤
Thank you for your sincerity. I started seeing it at a young age
You're so right!
Men are given opportunities? What? Nobody cares about a man's life until he makes something out of himself. Anyone can start their own business or service in the modern era, and you shouldn't expect anything from anyone. That's just entitlement. Nobody owes you a job, nobody owes you food, nobody owes you shelter. You need to learn to provide value to others to get anything in return. Hurt older women just hurt younger woman and as a result they end their family lines because they project their own hatred on to the world.
Get a good husband.
IF SOCIETY DOESN'T SUPPORT MOTHERS women won't have kids..same in Italy....financially impossible...
Stop expecting others to pay for you if you're not paying for others yourself. Nobody owes you anything. You need to organize your life in a dutiful manner and choose a good partner with whom you can build a life together.
honestly, a big reason I don't want kid was I remember back when I was 8-12 yrs old, I would get yelled at a lot by my mom for not doing chores, like sweeping, dishwashing, laundry, etc. I practically had to help my mom with the chores when I am not even a mother myself. I love that it definitely taught me independence and confidence, but I do remember times when I slip up and forget to do my chores, my mother's empty threat to me was that she wished she never gave birth to me or she wished she could leave the family and be as lazy as I am. So if I've witnessed a woman going depressed and crazy over child care and housework to the point of reprimanding their children with abusive threats, why would I be excited to pursue it? Why would I want to yell at a child like my mom did to me? not saying I would do that but I don't know how the stress of motherhood can change up my personality.
You can learn from it and treat your kids better than your mum treated you. Also, emotional regulation was not taken seriously back then so your mother may have been unable to control her emotions from other areas of her life and taken it out on you. You can do better
I’m proud of you for knowing yourself.
I too, was screamed at to clean and cook. I was even left with a bunch of little kids so the adults could run. I was made to be fearful because if something happened to those kids I’d get hurt and have handfuls of hair ripped out. The scared me because they knew they shouldn’t be leaving babies with an 8 year old.
Anyway, I grew up knowing I didn’t want kids but then I met my husband. My whole being was screaming to have his babies and I did. And it works for us but I’m mentally messed up trying to prove to myself that I’m a better. I already know I’m better but I stretch myself so dang thin just to keep my children from feeling a drop of what I felt as a child.
Don’t have babies just to prove to yourself you’re better. You’re already better by validating yourself.
My mom didn't threaten me, although she did say some very hurtful things at times. I could tell from a young age that she probably would have been happier going to college and getting a degree, even if she wouldn't admit it. My grandpa didn't help her pay for it, but he helped me and my cousins. I was able to graduate without debt and my mom would sometimes say I wasn't grateful enough. What does that even mean? I used my degree to go teach English in Asia because I wanted to live abroad, it's not like I didn't use it. Anyway, the main message here is to make yourself happy and do what you want to do. Only have kids if you will truly be happy with that choice. If you had asked me 10 years ago, I would have said I wanted kids. But that was because I wanted to prove to myself that I had value. Now I don't want kids even though I love them. I spent 8+ years teaching kids, that was enough. If I change my mind in the future, I can probably do some kind of volunteer work, hosting or tutoring.
I’m so sorry that you went through that. That was wrong for you to treat you that way. I’m not saying to have kids or not but I hope you can heal from that.
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Here is a Japanese. Japan also has totally same problem and same structure of the problem. The saying whose going NZ is made my day. It moved me.
About 10 years ago, I've learned about 'Yutori & Satori generation of Japan society'. And now, there are same problems in Korea. Korean usually said 'Japan is the future of 10 years later of Korea.
@@imnotok2922and now China is following Korea
@@mashitta5969 and SEA will follow in 50 years.
@@mashitta5969 In a few documentaries, I've seen young Chinese move to SEA or abroad in search of a more balanced life. It is sad people leave their homelands in search of a life they don't feel trapped in. I'm currently in the same moving from US to Europe.
Japanese people do not immigrate to Korea or China, but Koreans and Chinese people immigrate to Japan in large numbers.
It's better to be childless than having postpartum depression later ....
Literally anyone can get depression which can be caused by many things 🤦🏽♀️
@@JackieBrown93how ignorant. And they didn't say otherwise but just the fact that childbearing makes the posibility of mental illnesses higher is worrying, and something not everyone can take the risk for
Or have the kids turn on you later after you make sacrifices to give them a good life.
A sick society is not worth continuing.
The cycle ends here.
well said.
True.
Based
Satan speaking.
Well, your line ends.
Child-rearing doesn't seem fun job to me. If it were truly a blast, why would men pick work over it? Women, same story - they opt for jobs outside because it brings in the cash and social recognition. I despise the stereotype that everyone should adore babies and childcare gigs. Honestly, changing diapers? Count me out.
To each their own, I’m a mother of two and no job has ever made me feel happy or fulfilled like being a mum has. Most jobs would replace you within 2 weeks without a second thought if you dropped dead tomorrow.
@sjanex lol good for you to love the job of mothers. I heard too much sappy stories of mothers beaten by their own sons
Or so many housewives beaten by their spouses or cheated or divorced and getting no child support
Or ‘superwomen’ who do all houseworks and also work as mart cashiers when their children grew enough to go to school
so I hope you are not one of those cases!
Child rearing in mostly boring, stressful and neverending. If they get sick is even worse. You spend your time at home, cleaning, cooking, takeing care of someone who can't do anyting on their own. When outside you go to playgrounds, kids entertaiment and spend time with other parents who you probably don't like. Evenings are long, nights neverending. When school starts, it is all over again for you. Studying, homework, boring classes..... You still love your child, but it is labour everything around them😀
I've slaved away at warehouses, gotten yelled at by entitled customers, collapsed from exhaustion as a nurse, and suffered through a harassing micromanager in an office up in a high rise. My whole purpose elsewhere was to line the pockets of a megalomanic. No job has been able to fulfill me like raising my children has.
I'm a single mother because the father left me for another woman.
Yes men leave and then you struggle alone.
Also my child was diagnosed with autism at age 1 years old.
A child's health is not guaranteed you can be surprised with a disabled child.
I love my child but I would be lying if I said it was easy.
It's been a real struggle because children who are special needs don't sleep and have feeding issues and behavior issues and doing it alone really takes a toll on you.
Japan and South Korea are a preview of what end-stage capitalism looks like.
Never thought about it that way, thanks
Werner Sombart already assered that there was late-stage capitalism in his day that at the start of the 20th century but he was proven wrong like all the eschatological prophets from apocalyptic cult of anticapitalism
Capitalism kills the human race.
Yep capitalism only gets more and more difficult the longer it exists that’s how the system works
Yes, without migration it becomes a trade off between losing cultural structure /norm and existence.
I have seen a pattern of people who didn’t enjoy their childhood not wanting to have kids. If you spent your entire childhood studying in to the late hours of the night why would you want that for your kid?
I don’t blame them, the days of lumping all the work on women is gradually coming to an end.
To me it looks like so much pressure was put on Korean women that they simply went on strike. Korean men need to catch up with the reality.
Honestly, I don't think Korean men are on the winning side either. I for one do not envy the work lifestyle in Japan or Korea. Those men are overworked, underpaid, and there is a bullying culture hence the suicide rate in these countries is crazy high. Both sides are being overworked and abused, I don't think its wise to make it seem as though the guys are just living like kings. There needs to be a balance.
Korean men are too busy serving the military terms, saving money for an apartment, buying a car, slaving away in jobs to think of getting married. Men are the gatekeepers of marriage. Dont be fooled. Korean women arent going on strike. Theyre actively seeking husbands after hitting the wall in their 30s. Many of the pretend feminists are on the internet denouncing patriarchy but irl, theyre looking for a provider so they can quit their jobs and be a housewife. However its too late for many because theyre already in their mid to late 30s
Korean man here, low birth rate is just another symptom of our society's illness and regardless of sex its hard time to just live on.
Do not judge with prejudice and preconception of yours. Males have male problem and females have their own problem due to natural/social differencies. Korean men are subject to mandatory 1.5 year conscription while women's are zero. And I can assure you that if men were able to be pregnant, than men too would give up on being pregnant either.
Its not like all the women problem are men's fault and vice versa. Demonizing other sex really dosen't help a thing. It just makes all worse. 😢😢😢😢😢
In the end we are all same people getting through rough times.
Men have been stepping up, and they can't step up any farther than they already have.
@@jamese5936 I think the difference illustrated in the video is that both are overworked, but men do not face the expectation to do the housework/childcare on top of their jobs. If not pressure from their husbands then from their employers, families, society at large, etc. It's an issue in many places not just East Asia. In the U.S. I often hear women joke "I don't want to be a mom, but I'd love to be a dad" because it's the better deal.
It's cruel to introduce children into this economy.
I agree. Social Media has strunk things and made the world more cruel.
I totally agree.
Think of yourself first. Yeah the shit sucks, but people can do what they want. Be happy for yourself first. Fuck nonexistent kids
It has always been cruel to raise children man, our grandfathers lived harder lives than us and had many children.
Its perfectly fine if you don't wanna have children but I wanna say that the world has always been cruel dude
@@vectorsahel5420 that was not child but labor
both my mom and stepdad work full-time jobs earning similar incomes, split the bills, but the household responsibilities fall solely on my mom's shoulders! cooking, cleaning, chores etc. they considered having a baby but the man can’t even work a fuckinf toaster oven. i honestly question the value of procreation with men unless they’re rich.
You're mother should be grateful that she even has a man.
Than ask your mum to stop working and focus on the family and having kids. Stop being a gold digger
@@kairos_fluentas useless. She is basically a single mother. The money she is receiving from him could be child support. Lbfr
@@kairos_fluent grateful for what, that man is useless. A partner is supposed to make your life easier but this is only valid for men and not women
@@eatinsomtin9984 the logic of male: women that work are gold diggers. This is why women are misandrist and honestly good for them
German here and I understand why so many women do not want children! I am a mother and I love my kids but it is rough out there ... Generation alpha is something else, we are not meant to put kids into day care centres all day, they rarely rest and if they do ipads are given... This has serious repercussions on society...I am shocked what kind of kids are running around, kids are neglected! It's impossible to take care of a child when your working these hours
You women wanted this! Take some responsibility for your actions and the political changes that took place. Children need their parents, they need care, they need nurturing, and older people to teach them things.
I'm not from NZ, but if i am that lady, i would move to NZ too. Their lifestyle is alot more balanced and the country is safe too, esp for ladies, that is important
To me, it seems that Korean government knew what the problems are for the low birth rates, but their solutions are rather half-ass. They need to come up with some radical solutions if the old methods do not work. I believed in being patriotic to my birth country, but if the government of the day is not listening to their plight, and nothing has changed, then I'll leave. Mental wellbeing is more important than any money.
South Korea is one of the safest country in the world. If they don't feel S.Korea is not safe, I would say that I see it as possibly reflecting their psychological condition -- their mental disorder.
Agreed. I’m a Korean woman who moved to NZ 8 years ago and it was the best thing I’ve ever done in my life. Our life is too short to wait for Korean government to change.
As the South Korean government advances its efforts towards the famist movement, fertility rates are likely to decline. It's not that women are unwilling to have children; rather, they are compelled not to. South Korean women are becoming the oldest brides due to feminist movement.
@@Hedwig-pn7bo good for u. And it is a safe country for women too. Anyway, Health is alot more important than anything else
I am from s.korea. I think the main problem is that it is really hard to gain an honor in s.korea.
Actually If you plan to live only in Korea, it would be one of the easiest places in the world to live. All facilities are convenient, abundant, clean, and people have a high level of civic consciousness.
But you would probably find it quite challenging to be respected and considered a decent person here.
Koreans are competitive and perfectionists.Power and hierarchy are deeply ingrained in society, and there are people everywhere who easily make others feel ashamed or insignificant. This is one aspect of the culture.
when i was 6,my mom made me read a book for 8 hours a day and i really felt ashamed if i couldnt study really well.. i graduated from one of outstanding university and that was one of my biggest pride and people really treat me better if i say where i graduated from.
If you're a laborer without a degree, it's very difficult to gain social prestige. People might say otherwise, but we know that's not true.
The issue isn't just limited to academia. There's also a serious problem with appearance-based discrimination. The contemptuous attitude towards those deemed unattractive is significant. Similarly, there's also a prejudice against those who lack wealth.
People always compete, and in a society where respect is hard to come by, I believe it's a problem in Korean society that one has to live fiercely and expend a tremendous amount of energy just to gain a small amount of honor...
True. People have super low self esteem and keep trying to be a perfect person only to be loved. And they don’t even recognize it. People are judging all time.
Depressing country.
thank you for the information.
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The only thing u have to do is just don't care
This administration is putting many families in difficult situations. A lot of people are financially struggling to live, put a roof over their head and put food on the table. Things are getting worse these days, if you don't find means of multiplying your money you might wake up a day to realise you didn't plan well for yourself and family.
I agree with you and I believe that Professionals are currently dominating the market since they have access to both the necessary strategy for making money in this industry.
That's awesome to hear. I invested 5k in Robin hood about a year ago and it steadily went down, now my portfolio is down to $800. I don't know what to do and i am in between jobs
@@Florencecoxx Understanding your financial needs and making effective decisions is very essential. If I could advise you, you should seek the help of a financial advisor. For the record, working with one has been the best for my finances.
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@@Florencecoxx I get guidance from *Sarah Alma Martinez* Most likely, the internet should have her basic info..
I live in Japan as a European women and my partner and I need to leave this country in order for us to both keep our careers and raise children. North Asia is the worst place for women if they want to keep their careers and raise children. Men don't help, work hours are long and little holidays. Let's not even get started on the very low pay women receieve.
I hope Japan and Korea change in the future but for now these are simply 3rd world countries when it comes to womens mobility in the workforce.
Let the corrupt rich raise the kids... they have all the money 🙄
Exactly! Let them use AI if they want more slave workers!
Don't be jealous, my parents weren't rich and had 5 children. Back then, the moms could stay at home.
@@sky-pv7ff Many households require dual incomes. No time to raise kids.
@@sky-pv7ff hey we are from different generation than our parents. I'm the youngest of 5 and my mother is a housewife. Back then only dad work but he can buy a house and a car. My mom were 23 when she got married. But now i'm 25, i barely survive on my own 😂
Let alone having baby, i don't even have time to date and i don't have money to buy a car, buy a house or apartment. I'm still living in family's house to save extra money for rent.
@@sky-pv7ffare you uneducated or do you live in a poor country? In the rich western countries, you need dual income (mother and father) to work to have enough money for the family and to have a house LOL. Are you a boomer?
Smart ladies! Glad they’re not caught up in romanization of having kids
Just a silly ladies ever😂😂😂
@@AmmarMohsin-zp6uiyou are the silly one not those ladies 😂😂😂
@@cottony4383 Those ladies are crazy bringing danger to themselves and their generations. Just western-inspired and western minded people ever🤣🤣🤣
@@AmmarMohsin-zp6ui those ladies are smart. People like you is the best reminder that child free is the best choice for women 🤣🤣🤣
@@AmmarMohsin-zp6ui
"I know too much!" says the teacher. "Why should women choose a path which will disadvantage them?" - says a wise woman.
Yes, why not forge your own path and use your autonomy and self-determination to live a good life with a healthy family?
I dont want to destroy myself. My body, my dream, my desire, my freedom, my time and space... And obviously, in the angle of the Earth, newborn is not necessary.
Working in S. Korea now and pregnant. I tried to stick to my normal working hours since I found out that I'm pregnant. But lately, my senior once 'jokingly' hinted me that a pregnant colleague from another department works until 10pm everyday, so she also thinks that 'you too can work late like her'.
She added, another colleague resumes her work immediately 1 month after she delivered. So... 'you can too!' (Although we do have 3 months maternal leave). I was speechless and felt very uncomfortable about this.
This is definitely not a friendly working environment for pregnant women. So I can totally understand why their birth rates...
Really?? How did you not expect this? Did you think you were the exception? 😒 Don’t understand how you have a career, and not know this? SOCIETY DOESNT GIVE A SH*T ABOUT YOU OR YOUR BABY!!! You’re not special, so I hope this is a wake-up call to a life of being devalued, especially as a mom. 😒
Nah fuck that hoe. Take your 3 months and make her feel jealous of how confident and happy you are lol. I hope you still plan on taking the 3 months and leaving work on time. Defend your self. Tell her that woman working late probably had health issues.
Tbh marriage is a teamwork. If the work hours are brutal then there is no way both the partners could work and raise a family. But here are the things :
1. Even with a full-time work of one person, it will be difficult to raise a whole family. Education is expensive, food is expensive, you have to give medical care and financial support not only to your parents but your in-laws as well, oh and also can't even buy a house of your own.
2. With the "ideal" lifestyle of so many women being stay-at-home wives, there will be likely that families wouldn't want to raise a girl-child, because Asian parents love to boast about which uni their kid is going and what job they do. So there would be discrimination against daughters. Not to mention, high chance of women getting stuck in toxic and abusive marriages.
3. Most men, don't really value housework and raising children. So they won't really respect their wives and think of them as someone lesser than them.
4. No financial independence for women, they will have to ask their husbands for money for every little thing they want, high chance the husband say "NO". Unless they both decide that for housework, the wife will get a certain amount. But that's very unlikely too as we have seen in our society.
I see a lot of people blaming women for being "SELFISH" for not having children, and my question to those people is "SO WHAT?"
Having a child might be a gift but not at the cost of an individual's mental, emotional, and physical well-being.
No one in the Video blaming women....... if they don't want having a children then don't, just make sure you raise enough capital so you can afford nursing home.. plenty of my coworker is a women with good career and having children, both couple need to spare big chunk of their income hiring someone to do so , like child care and before and after school care... but if you do have a joy raising them yourself then one of the couple need to sacrifice that unavoidable... with today's technology house chore are a thing of the past, robot vacuum, washing machine, dishwasher, dyer, ready to eat meal, uber eat, private tutor, NOT TO MENTION WORK FROM HOME...... this no a luxury our mom get...
The problem is younger generation like us just alot selfish.. we don't want to sacrifice our holiday, expensive car, 20 entertainment subscription, morning barista coffee, yearly phone update for a kids..
@@anubizz3 1. I never said that the video is blaming women. However some people in the comments and people generally in our society are.
2. House work is not a thing of past. Still most families in the third world countries cannot afford luxuries like dishwashers, vaccums, etc.
3. Asian work hours are brutal. Even the work from home.
4. Buying things for yourself is not selfish. You’ve worked hard for yourself. You deserve it. Just be conscious of not going into the rabbit hole of materialism.
@@anubizz3I bet you're not the one doing all of that work. If what you say is so true then there wouldn't be a video about the subject, by the way you and those like you are there selfish ones.
@@vangu2918 you correct most of the work done by machine, robot vacuum, dishwasher, washing machine dryer window washing robot.. Just google it it's amazing.. The video it's about women don't want children.. Not women doing all the work.. If fact only one women that even mention the hardship.. But then again the video did not show what her husband need to do to finance her children and house...
I pay 100% the mortgage, car, car and house maintenance practically 95% of our family costs, while also responsible on cooking kitchens cleaning, and floor and window cleaning... Do I say my wife don't do much? No I appreciate her contribution and her willingness to take care of my children, it's a hard work.. Unlike you that always blame men on everything..
I would also like to add a No. 5- with no financial independence for women, that means that they will have no retirement savings of their own. There is a high chance that once their husbands pass away, they will be dependent on their children for support. Hence the vicious cycle continues back to square 1.
My parents are immigrants from Korea, but both work full-time jobs. Despite this, both my parents split the housework evenly and there are many times when my dad will make dinner, wash the dishes, clean the entire house, etc. There is no excuse for putting all the chores to one side.
Yet women say they don't want 50-50 relationships. Pick a lane already.
What about the reason of just NOT wanting children just because who would want to have a child?!
I do not understand maternal instincts in that regard at all. Ive never wanted kids and cant imagine ever wanting kids.
Exactly
I don't think it's a very pleasant world we live in and I totally understand why so many people choose not to have a child.
Korea is more pleasant now than ever before
Everybody's boring
@@civilengineer3349 not really korean men get more and more conservative
@@ihkeseteeietos5722 korea was always conservative
디지털사회, 디스토피아
when society punishes its members enough, they will opt out.
But in reality, more often than not, they eventually conform, especially in conformist cultures like Korea.
There's no "society". There's just a bunch of cowardly, weak people who don't want to take responsibility for creating the life they want. They just quit before the race even started, and lives as children waiting to be taken care of.
I don’t blame them. I wouldn’t want to raise a kid right now. The cost of living is at an all time high right now. I’m exhausted just living
Wow. All these men in the comments talking shit is making me even more childfree
keep seething
There are a lot of hateful men out there. I’m so glad I don’t have to worry about dating anymore. Hang in there.
@@Frugal_fitchic I'm a heterosexual male and it is obvious to ME.
as if anyone want to have a child with you lol😂. stay away from men
Sounds extremely depressing over there.
It is.
For real. SK has held the record of the highest suicide rates among developed countries AND has consistently ranked at top 4 in the world.. :(
I think they're just less delusional.
Nope!! I bet it’s you men who say this! Bc no one will procreate with you! 😂
Maybe if the fathers put more effort to help their wives and raise the kids, they wouldn’t feel burdened and the general attitude in a generation can be turned around at looking to have kids. Let me say not just husbands, but the males in power and the systems they run!
Misanthropic.
But korean men will never ever do it
Thats just being narrow-minded. Have you seen just how overworked men are in Japan and Korea? The work culture there is beyond unbelievable, I could never. Most men want to spend time with their children, I think a lot of people forget that. Do you seriously think those men want to go to work where they are bullied by their seniors and bosses rather than spend time with their own kids at home? You can't seriously believe that. Are you telling me if society gave men a choice they would still choose to go work from 7am till 8pm rather than spend time at home cleaning?
@@jamese5936the jobs should go to robots so parents could have free time for caring their children together it will be healthy for children also
@@jamese5936 If men life is hard, and they can't spend time with their family at all, why even in a relationship, why have kids? I see no problem with declining birthrate, not sure why it's an issue.
Women also believe their life is hard, and they chose to cut themselves away from dating and having kids, why can't men do the same? These women are not asking you to argue which job is harder, they want the men to leave them alone. Who care which job is harder at this point? Single people end up doing the same thing as each other.
what south korea needs to change is its culture. it's one thing to tell girls that the genders are equal and quite another to actually practice that.
for those that don't know much about the japanese and korean cultures, women usually cannot get good jobs because they are expected to just get married and stay at home afterwards. why would men who are in high positions hire women who they expect to quit after getting married? of course, with fewer women getting married and having kids, the perception might change but it is still true that sexist men are still in power. just look up gender equality ranking for these two countries.
i am from hong kong and i have heard stories about how a hong kong wife had to act (yes, act) very submissive and help with all the house chores whenever she and her japanese husband who reside in HK,, go to japan. the husband is not rich or from a exceptionally traditional family. his family is just normal.
Men of the entire world, not just Japan and Korea, you've brought this onto yourselves by not treating women right.
LOL, men weren't treated right by women first. Men are moving on, artificial womb tech is already here. As soon as it is legalized, the female problem and birthrate will be solved.
Unfortunately, this is only going to get much, much worse, because treating women right (and anything related to that) is the one thing that men absolutely refuse to do. Men claim to be logical, but they keep choosing to further guilt, blame, manipulate, shame, and abuse women into being with them, rather than improve themselves to be great partners for women to choose.
Korea is an extreme example of what’s going on in the developed world. Women who get higher education and a career don’t want to be tied down at home with children. Then if you have children anyway you need other people to raise them (grandparents, day care, teachers, etc.). If you make everything hyper competitive you create a culture where people live only to work. That’s why that woman says she’s moving to New Zealand. She wants to enjoy her life too and maybe have children. Good for her!
In Germany having children is really expensive. On paper we have governmental support, but in reality it isn't that much.
I thought you guys get a lot of help there , how many children usually native Germans usually have there ?
@@kenchambers7137 I believe the average is like 1.7 children. The biggest issue is the costs. Yeah, you get each month a bit of money for a child, but the childcare costs much more. Each benefit only covers a part of the expenses.
@@kenchambers7137 Compared to other countries probably, but you have to look at the details more closely.
For example, parents have a legal right to childcare, but the provision of childcare places varies depending on the region. There are definitely not enough child care places across Germany. This means that even if you as a parent plan ahead, there is no guarantee that childcare will be possible for your child and that you will be able to do your job.
The fact that costs are definitely a problem can also be seen from the fact that child poverty in Germany has been increasing for years. However, political measures against this development have been neglected for decades.
In my opinion, the job market itself is still too inflexible when it comes to balancing family and work.
This didn't cover any of their sexual assault and domestic violence issues. They aren't hooking up with men anymore because of far more than childcare. These were superficial questions. They didn't interview the 4B women either.
"Taking care of a child means giving it your total care and love. I guess I don't have that in me yet. I love myself more. I think I'd be very depressed if I stayed home to look after a child." Wow
I’m a chef working for a Korean couple . I only been working for them for about a month but gosh I’m already exhausted, for them working 15 hours plus with no breaks is totally normal . I’m like hell nah .
Wow that's crazy
What do you for for the 15hrs besides cooking?
Good. The Korean woman has embraced the heartwrenching yet much needed concept of pragmatism. Parenting is not a right but rather a privilege whose potential must be heavily heavily contemplated!!
I have so much respect for these women🙏
The way she said, I survived here I can surely survive abroad 😢 I can relate!!!
I'm glad they are thinking it out compared to others who will just automatically breed children.
i think, in the past, women were taught to be mothers from an early age. and so being a wife, having children, these were their dreams. but now, since women are equally educated as men. they have dreams of their own. and children.. can get in the way of those dreams
Women still want to have children. They're just not trained and socially conditioned to only think and want a certain way. The actual people who's dreams children are getting in the way of are capitalists, who are largely male.
I think its more because women can have jobs that pay well enough that they dont need to become dependent on husband. Getting married was all about survival back then. Get a husband with money to raise kids then depend on the kids for retirement.
Not true, children are the problem. A lack of home help from the fathers and finances are getting in the way. Why have a child you can not take care of.
@@vangu2918 Sorry, men can't do any better than they're already doing.
Correct answer⭕
We can't go back to the 20th century world.
I'll never understand why anyone would want a child.
Reproduction instinct, basically.
My father is the breadwinner, and he has never take care of children or done any house chores. He even blames mom for wrong education whenever My siblings or I make mistakes. I am in my 30’s now, and I have never dreamed of getting married to a man because I don’t want to be like my mom. I know there are kind men out somewhere, but my mom used to tell me that she didn’t know my dad would turn out to be like that. So I am not going to bet my life in some man, risking my career and current financial stability. It is also my revenge to my father; he will never see a grandchild from my sister and me.
My father was a police officer and he was the worst husband and father you could think of. When my mom finally divorced him he never looked back at his children. He's the reason I knew deep down being a wife and mother wasn't for me.
In South Korea, you may lose your job if you post a feminist-sympathized note on Twitter or Facebook or post a book about a woman who talks about gender inequality. As the country's backlash is so extreme, South Korean women in this generation have chosen not to get married, give birth, or be used as free welfare service providers anymore. The massive workload is just one reason but cannot explain all about this phenomenon.
Actually plenty of korean women over 35 are trying to get married, paying thousands of dollars to marriage broker agencies to be matched with their dream prince charmings. This created new part time jobs for doctors to get paid by such agencies to pretend to go on date with the desperate women to keep the agencies in business, because the men are refusing to marry older women who wouldnt have given them the time of day when they were in their 20s.
Plenty of women in theor 30s are trying to get married, after years of focusing on their careers, but a woman of 35 usually has 1 child after marriage or none, due to the biological clock. In korea the men have no reason to marry a woman who will just quit their job to become a housewife at their thirties, dont have any money saved up because women expect men to provide the house and car, while women can squander their money on luxury goods, who wont even be able to bear children. Average age of marriage in korea is highest in the oecd, in their 30s. Couples who marry late in their life spend tends of thousands of dollars on IVF treatment to have a child but it doesnt work because of biology. Its not that korean women dont want children. Its that they dont want to have children until they are in their late 30s.
I am sure that is the core problem in a deeply sexist society. Please, further explain to the South Korean ladies the benefits of getting pregnant at 25 and taking care of their husbands. A dream job.
You really encapsulate everything that is problematic with the male perception of things.
In 46% of the cases of violence against women in South Korea , the perpetrator is an intimate partner.
As a women I wouldn't want to live there or raise children there. It makes no sense.
@@Isa-de2yf the point is, the women in their late 30s and 40s regret their choices passing up opportunities to marry actually decent men while they were in their 20s, or having children while they still could. There are many of them giving advice to younger women to not make the same mistakes they did
Same reasons American women are not. Kids are unaffordable.
And more and more women don't want
I'm South Korean living in the U.S. since I was a teenager. Having our baby led us to meet many other Korean couples with babies at the same age as ours. Some of those fathers have been here a long time like me, and some have just moved here post college/military. Most of all these fathers are the sole provider. There is a painfully clear difference in terms of their contribution to raising child and housework depending on whether they've spent any of their childhood here. The culture and the perception of fatherhood in Korea is very different, and that is a big part of what needs to change.
This is happening all over the world, it's just that South Korea was hit the hardest with the world's lowest birth rate.
The main problem of Korean society is conservatism based on Confucian ideas.
They still arguably say that Husband is the head of the wife, but wife has to do the most in a family and do all house chores including child- rearing, which is also what the mother- and father-in-laws take granted.
Many husbands also avoid participating in child-raising and housework.
At workplaces, pregnancy is hardly recognized as good news. Female employees find it hard to come back after baby delivery. They have to face negative performance assessment because they were off work for months.
Korean society itself still has negative views on pregnancy.
How many women in Korea will want to get married and have children without having responsibility from husband, company, and this society?
@@user-yw1lz1vb3w 뭐라냐 남자한테 ㅎ
@@user-yw1lz1vb3w 여자한테 불만이 많으면 혼자 살면되고,
결혼하기 싫으면 안하면 되고,
여자도 애낳기싫음 안나으면 되지.
그게 지금 한국의 상태
@@user-yw1lz1vb3w그렇게 여자가 싫음 안만나면 돼.
혼자가 최고지
@@user-yw1lz1vb3wIf men started having children then they could also ask for a proper maternity leave without negative performance reports
@@user-yw1lz1vb3wyou are a korean man. You don't have a valu sharing opinion on women. You will never ever understand women's suffer
Not only does it not help that Gen Z's political inclinations are divided by gender, but Korea also has a strong negative tendency toward feminism and is not guaranteed parental leave in many work places.
Sorry but feminism has the opposite effect on birth rates. Even worse when you consider the quality of child-rearing as divorce rates skyrocket.
@@_ArsNova 😂😂 No not because of feminism. Its just now women can go to work, earn money and enjoy their life without the need of heavily financial support from man just like in the past. Women now only need love, respect, and empathy from man but if they cannot give women that, women just say byebye. Why do women have to abandon their content single life to stay in a relationship that doesnt benefit them at all. 😊
So much as to they make things even harder when their female workforce starts hitting their late 20s and early 30s so they'd leave. So many women have left their jobs after marriage becuz the society isn't designed for them. So now they're all choosing to just work instead hence the low birth rates and low marriage rates.
Women have always had the choice to get married and who their partner was it's just that women are spoiled entitled selfish brats
@@hiimatt Yet you're still miserable and blaming others for your problems.
I find it funny that an elementary school teacher could be so honest about how she dreads being around children for an extended period of time. It is a level of comedic honestly you would only see in movies and tv shows.
This is the same issue USA is dealing with now too. Women having fewer babies (future taxpayers & slave laborours) ... turns out women want a fair deal and 40+ hours per week plus housework is a deal breaker.
Women entering the workforce destroyed the economy. When women stayed home , all men were employable and able to take care of a family. Now double the amount of people are competing for the same amount of jobs.
@@Ikey504Correlation does not equal causation. Sure, our economy is much worse now, but that cannot be primarily attributed to women joining the workforce. There are many other factors. And if you believe it’s a problem of too many people competing for the same amount of jobs, wouldn’t it be a good thing if less people have kids? Then there will be less people competing for the limited amount of jobs.
@@rosemilan3149 less people does not equal a better economy never heard of urban decay due to white flight?
A sentiment felt by most women globally and I love it.
You love that women don’t want to have children anymore? Really? What’s the end goal? What does the future hold?
@@yeshalloweenas we care…
By most leftist liberal feminist women* and I love it.
Right wing traditional conservative women are having a baby boom right now.
@@yeshalloweenthe same thing as the past, nothing. All that matters is now. And now , women don’t want to be bothered by a male and it’s offsprings.
And men, we always talk about the pointlessness of marriage and kids. Actually something men and women can agree on.
It is the same here in America, a lot of women are choosing not to have kids… If they want to us to have children they have to make the conditions better period!
Your grandparents raised children in worse conditions. You are spoiled
The UK too.
Instead, they've decided to force birth on women. This can't end well.
Women are also on the same boat right? They too will age at some point and no will be there to pay for their social security or even take care of them when they’re too old to even get up from bed. At least men have the ability to commit suicide to avoid old age suffering but women rarely kill themselves
If only the world today was a nice place to be born into!
Not mentioned here, a big omission, is rampant sexism - socially, culturally and institutionally. In the modern economy, you need both partners to share the burden of childrearing, you need the state to help with childcare as both parents now need to work and earn, you need a work environment that can accommodate parenthood (not just motherhood). The traditional gender / parenting roles that are at the root of this problem were fit for an agricultural society, but not the new service-based economy. Until there is a cultural shift supported or driven by state intervention and legal protections, the environment will remain a hostile place for parents and families. Many will continue to choose childlessness over running this gauntlet. SK is not unique in all this, but they are at the extreme end of the spectrum.
people who give women shit for deciding not to have children: you're weird