C&O 614 - 80+mph From The Air!
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2009
- C&O 614 on the 1996 Hoboken to Port Jervis Trips on NJ Transit....
Clip is from "C&O 614: Return of a Thoroughbred" by Mark I Video. This DVD is top-notch!
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Fireman: "Uh Ross, we need coal."
Ross: "Shut up, we can go faster with less coal anyway."
ROSS the man when it comes to steam locomotives.
Looking at the reciprocating weight of the rods and the diameters of the wheels and taking in all that weight moving so fast is....beautifully hypnotizing.
I got to ride these trips in the tool car because my friend was friends with Ross. Let me tell you these trips we are truly a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I hate to say it but I don't think this will ever be replicated again. Letting a steam engine do, what it was meant to do, at speeds over 80 miles an hour is magnificent. And let me tell you we were hauling ass on those trips! What amazing memories
when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, your gonna see some series shit
Had to hand it to C&O, it had some of the all time finest steam locomotives ever built!
C&O didn't build them. The manufacturers built them.
I know.
from the looks of it, the C&O grand Greenbriers were made to be one of the fastest.
It wasn't just the factory's designs, they were made mostly to the specs the railroads wanted.
You get the best from the best, Lima was a good builder when it came to steam locomotives and C&O ran them well
I had a conversation with Ross when we got back to Hoboken. He had the smile of a kid. I had my vhs camcorder outside almost the whole way to Port Jarvis. I was hanging outside while doing 80 and by the time we got to Port Jarvis I was black as night ... and smiling
all those people on the interstate were probably like OMG WTF watching that thing blow by them. 80mph that thing is just starting to wake up.
This locomotive is BOSS! :D
hell fucking yeah it is. >:3
I wish these steam engines were still in operation as a work horse .... good old American horse power. ..
This really warms my heart
Amtrak: 79 mph
C&O 614: Hold My Beer
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Had the privilege of riding behind 614 on an excursion many years ago. She is beautiful, fast (very fast), strong, and could kick Thomas' sissy blue ass any day of the week!
Beautiful engine.
What is most noticeable is that she is under very light steam indeed (if not just coasting) and STILL doing 80mph.
Looks like she's good for 125 mph - the magic 200 kph!
Studies have shown that modern steam could be considerably cheaper to run than diesel and, suprising to many, more environmentally friendly.
*****
What's your source?
Yeah I’d love to see that study, sounds very interesting
@Jemalacane The 614 was used on freights for a short time ONLY after the C&O dieselized its passenger operations. Once the C&O dieselized its remaining freight operations in 1956, the 614 was retired from service. The N&W Js suffered the same fate. The point being the 614 was designed as a high speed, high horsepower passenger locomotive, NOT a freight locomotive. The fact that it can pull heavy freight is a testament to Lima's superior engineering and robust construction methods.
LOL even the HELICOPTERS can't keep up. XD Geeze that things haulin' butt.
That's what it's all about right there
These boys know how to operate. They were burning clean way to Fire! 👍
love the sound of that reading 6 chime!!
Beautiful
Incredible, I'd love to see this again someday.
The location at about 1:07 is where my "C&O 614 at speed" and "Chesapeake & Ohio 614 70+ MPH" clips were filmed. We started to frequent this spot after watching this same video sometime in 1996 or 1997.
If you haven't seen it yet, the "Summer Steam Spectacular Vol. 1" video by Mark I also contains some awesome aerial pacing that was filmed on June 14, 1997.
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Such a thrill to see that engine at speed. I remember seeing her with Ross at the throttle pulling the Chessie Safety express when I was a kid.....and he had her flying then as well.
Magnificent beasts.
Ross Rowland's favorite engine. What a beauty!
It's a shame we will never see this again in America. What a time the 90s were. Wished I was around for it
Go baby go! Highball!
you can not beat a steam engines looks or power.
A steam locomotive is significantly bested in terms of power by electrics and diesel electrics.
@@Jemalacane0 Depends on which locomotives are compared. In terms of horsepower, this one supposedly produces 5,000 horsepower, which is not really bested much by most diesels. It seems the PRR really had some of the most powerful steam locomotives, many producing over 7000 horsepower. Electrics can be compared, but don't really produce their own power. If anything, I would say steam locos are significantly bested in terms of tractive effort; I think this is due to their nature of having pilot and trailing trucks for stability, resulting in a lower adhesive weight, whereas diesels have all their weight as adhesive weight. Also, if you take steam turbines like the C&O M1, and the Jawn Henry, they produced quite a bit of power and tractive effort.
@@burgegerm7878 The prr s1 had a claimed speed of 156 mph on the way from Fort Wayne to chicago. I believe that the s1 is faster than the A4, though it was just claimed
@@Jemalacane0 they have the power but it has low power to weight ratio because steam trains are pure steel which makes it like 5 to 10times the weight of an american diesel freight train.
@ Actually, that gives diesels a higher power to weight ratio.
WOW ! The color of the trees, the huge black locomotive and the whistle wailing; Oh so beautiful . People on he highway must have though they had driven into the "twilight zone". Only seeing a dinosaur, would have been more surprising. Bring steam back, they brought back the " muscle car " and there better than ever.
What a fantastic sight it is to see a steam locomotive operating at high speed, it's a true shame that the C&O 614 is no longer in operating condition anymore. I would really like to see the 614 back in operation after it receives the necessary maintenance repairs as this engine was incredible to observe speeding down the tracks.
it is amazing something that big can go that fast and pull that much well doing so.
Thank God this locomotive ran as long as it did and people got phenomenal footage like this.
I am glad that I had the chance to ride behind this locomotive.
I saw this thing breeze by in Lanham, Maryland when i was a kid in the 1970's.
Great Video ! Nice hi-speed pace. Five stars!
Lovely
i rode on this train---and all i can say is ---its fast as hell---and beautiful.
As a retired Tool and Die Maker, I love the old Steamers. There is just nothing more "mechanical" than a Steam Locomotive.
Yeah, you can make a good argument for an old, fully mechanical watch, but is anybody "Ooohhing" or "Aahhing" over watch videos?
And to be trackside when a 4-8-4 goes barreling by at 80mph is unforgettable.
Thank you for the posting.
I love the TORNADO. It took part in a race conducted by BBC's Top Gear. The crew told Jeremy Clarkson that the line they run restricts the TORNADO to 75mph. With her tall drivers, I suspect she is capable of 100mph. I am American so I prefer American locomotives,but a steam locomotive is a steam locomotive. Plus the TORNADO only took 3million lbs to produce, an EMD SD75 costs around $2.2million US dollars. My favorite steam locomotive configuration is the 4-8-4. I am glad to see steam alive.
HughFromAlice gave us two more reasons to put steam back into service. Thanks HughFromAlice!
Many old retired engineers I have talked to refer to the steam locomotive with great fondness, as they would their wife or mother. They believe the steam locomotive to be a living, breathing being. They do not share the same sentiment for the diesels however. The US got rid of the steamer at the time they were perfecting them. At the end ALCO, BALDWIN and LIMA were the last major builders of steam, and they all had great products. LIMA, I believe, built slightly better products. Long live steam
I hired out on the Chicago & North Western Railway back in 1980. Consequently, I got to meet a number of C&NW locomotive engineers who had run steam engines back in their earlier years. When I asked what it was like to run a steam locomotive the response was basically, "I was glad to see them go." One guy went so far as to say, "the two best things the railroad ever did was get rid of the steam locomotives and not bringing them back."
If anyone wants to see how powerful the 614 really is look up the video "614T St. Albans" on RUclips. It shows the 614 pulling a 100 car coal train @ 60 mph in St. Albans, WVa during the Winter of 1985. It is an incredible display of high speed horsepower.
These steam loco pacing videos really go great with German techno dance music as the sound track from Shoutcast. Gives me all sorts of ideas for the climax in my screenplay about a train used in a rescue on the planet Mars.
NIce to watch. C & O power was one of the first good books that I ever purchased and I live in Australia. 614 was the last of the J3a class to be built by Lima in 1948 and one of the five with all roller bearings. The book says that at the time of writing 614 was stored waiting to be presented to some city as a park display and was in a bad way. And "It seems that such a faithful servant could have received a more rewarding fate". It did and it seems that it got a better fate. Now for a H8.....
@bigtex144 The 614 was not a freight locomotive. It was designed from the start as a high speed passenger locomotive for the C&O's top trains. The 614 has all roller bearing construction, including the drive rods, and is extensively cross balanced. With a design like that, 72" drivers is plenty big for 120 mph speeds. On locomotives, "aerodynamic" fairings are more for appearance than actual function.
i wish they were still around
I saw a show on Modern Marvels about things that are still Made in America but let me tell you, not one of them could even get close to touching this beauty of engineering.
Ross new damn well what he was doing when he did this and he isn't gonna stop. Ross lives on forever!
That feeling when a fucking steam engine can go faster than your CAR
1:45 where the helicopter is still and panning as C&O 614 blows past. I think this shot helps get a feel for how fast she's moving
C&O 614 being paced by a Bell 206 helicopter!
holy crap thats fast
Amazing
Thats how a steamer should be "set up, running". Clean stack and the pop valves singing away!
And now it just sits.....what a shame
I rode several of these trips, what a fantastic experience. And Ross did exceed the speed limit several times. Guys in a helicopter with a radar gun clocked him well over 80mph at some points.
The 614 has all roller bearing construction, and its disk drivers are extensively cross balanced. She was designed to travel long distances at 100+ MPH. Well balanced steam locomotives do not need overly large drivers to travel safely at high speed.
That is amazing
If there's one thing 614 can do, is haul tail
Damn...talk about haulin' ass. The rods are almost blurry they're moving so fast.
@potzahasee01 The 614 can produce upwards of 84,000 lbs TE with its booster operational. This is the highest TE that I have seen in a 4-8-4.
I checked out the Evening Star as you requested and I must say I like her better than the Tornado, but both are fine examples of steam-one being an original classic and the other being new and destined to be a classic. Beautiful locomotives are everywhere.
Shut up pinky but brain pinky where going to take over the world with this 👍👍👍👍 great video 👍👍
WOW! We have beauties here in Oz but that it is just sweeeeeeetttt!
Going back Marty!
Yea, and the scary part is the 614 isn't even working hard to pull that amount tonnage at that speed. I wonder how fast she would be going if Ross put the pedal to the metal?
#fireup614
YES, PLEASE.
Amen.
Amen.
@@anasiacameronelijahedcpndc4324 Unfortunately, if she were to be rebuilt again, there wouldn't be a railroad to run her on. NJ Transit wouldn't allow it because 614 ran on their rails in the first place, breaking the speed limit in the process. CSX simply wants revenue, so spending it on public excursions is I guess a sin to them. But who knows? If 2716 ever pulls the New River Train, that would kind of serve as an excuse to run 614 again.
It's not often you get to see a massive 484 do such speeds...
Love 614. I'm a huge fan of Santa Fe 3751 as well. I've seen her move, but not at 80! Just to have that locomotive fly by at 65+ is amazing!
I wish C&o 614 would get back on the open rails again... Isn't CSX responsible for ending these steam excursions?
No. They saturated the market on NJ Transit, so they stopped running the trips.
The Reading Railfan What’s “saturated the market” mean?
@@justahillbilly7777 Means too much supply not enough demand
That's not actually true. Ross Rowland is rather well known for going fast with his engines, and as such, he was actually banned from running excursions on CSX for speeding during this time. Additionally, NJT put a full on steam ban into effect for the same reason.
@@thestarlightalchemist7333 Patently false, he ran at track speed and a person from NJT was in the cab at all times that was there to ensure the speed limit was being followed, among other things.
WOW
Please! tell me about all roller bearing construction!
I've never seen axels.
Is it necessary to press-off wheel steams for replacement of bearings?
Or there demountable holders of bearings are used?
They Thought they could replace the steam engine!!!!!! The diesel just plain old fashioned CANNOT produce the same torque!!!!!!! Long Live the STEAM LOCOMOTIVE!!!!
Holy crap, she is moving.
@HughFromAlice the case of that being that the smoke is more dirt and ashes than greenhouse gases
@potzahasee01 The 614's Franklin High Speed Booster did add up to 15,000 lbs TE per C&O Historical Society documents, giving the 614 a total of 83,300 lbs TE with a factor of adhesion of of 4.29. The N&W J was able to produce 80,000 lbs TE due to higher operating pressure, smaller diameter drivers, and a long piston stroke. However, the J was slippery with much lower 3.69 factor of adhesion. The J could only produce 68,800 lbs TE while maintaining the same factor of adhesion as the 614.
I rode behined her in 1996 belived me it is a great feeling.
Len.
Gotta love modern steam; fast, powerful, reliable, easy to maintain and economical to operate. Ross sure wasn't afraid to let her stretch her legs ( I'll bet he'd take her over 100 mph if allowed). CSX should buy 614 and make her the railroad ambassador.
Ross doesn’t know what “allowed” means. Speed limits are merely a suggestion to him, hence why he isn’t allowed to operate steam on CSX anymore. Nobody is.
614 has probably done close to 100 with Ross at the throttle ignoring speed limits.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 - Or NJTransit.
+80mph barely trying......a modern diesel engine would be working notch 7 or 8 to maintain that speed, and consuming a lot more fuel
she's not even breaking a sweat or anything, just clipping along.
@TheSteamLocomotive Quite so. Try the English "Evening Star " and Tornado. Evening Star the last steam engine built in the UK. However, the Tornado was built only a few years ago! Runs fast and very efficient.
88mph!
come on baby it let see she to 88 and travel to her time!!
Those rod bearings are probably a little pissed off lol
Fireman: " Ross, we need to refill the firebox. We're going slower."
Ross Rowland: "Shut it. We can go faster with less coal anyways."
What does this even mean?
@@Jello12 - The comment was a joke about less coal in the firebox meant less weight to slow down the 614.
@HughFromAlice also some steam engines like reading t1s and chalenger for the up can have a 1 steam engine to 4 diesels that means some steam engines are 4 times more powerful than diesels
@potzahasee01 I wouldn't fixate on starting TE for these engines anyway. Like I said, they were not designed for low speed lugging. They were designed for high speed power. The 614's boiler is a more advanced, and more powerful design than the 2926's boiler, so regardless what the starting TE numbers actually are, the 614 produces more horsepower running at high speed.
From the motion of the drivers, she is probably doing 70 MPH...top speed in that section at that time was 79 MPH so 80+ MPH is more fantasy than fact.
@potzahasee01 That 86,922lb estimate for the 2926 is a bit optimistic, probably closer to 80,000 lbs. Boosters are quite reliable if maintained, and make more sense than trying to apply more TE to the drivers and making the locomotive have less adhesion. The 614s booster needs a minor repair to the bull gear, but Ross saw no need for it since the 614 has more than enough TE for passenger trains.
@potzahasee01 Also remember, the 614 was not designed as a slow speed lugging engine. It was designed to be a 120 mph + passenger engine. The fact that it could produce 83,300 lbs TE with a high 4.29 factor of adhesion was an amazing feat, but secondary to its design goal of high speed horsepower output. Above 60 mph, the 614 produces more HP than the J. The 700 isn't even in the same league as either the 614 or J when it comes to high speed power.
hey if this comes back into service the 844 will be bumped to third best looking steam locomotive (non streamlined excluding 4449) behind the 261
I think 844 is the best looking of the three. I like the centered headlight and don't care to much for streamlined steam ( I think steam locomotives should look sleek, but also kind of rugged looking )
Bet ya Sheldon on "Big Bang" would really dig this vid.
I would agree with you if America still had it's old principles, but this is a different America we live in today. Sadly. This train is freakin flying. To be trackside when that thing blew by at that speed would be a awesome experience.
the only place where diesel still has an advantage over steam is in maintenance costs... a steam boiler has to be torn apart periodically and have the scale build-up inside chiseled out by hand. yes, they do have power tools, but it's still very labor-intensive and time consuming because only one person at a time can fit inside the boiler. by comparison, maintaining a diesel is almost just a matter of changing the oil and cleaning the injectors every so often.
How's that?
I bet the stoker is in full stride lol
they can build up some speed on that Coastal Plain
Was this filmed with a helicopter?
@IIIJFRIII The C&O 614 is beyond the 3985 and 844. Neither one of them can match the 614's horsepower output.
@UnIonPacCheyenne I thought the SPS 700 and N&W 611 had the most tractive effort for running northerns? (during the 90's)
611 had the most and has good counter balancing and potential to beat mallard's record. And SP&S 700.
What are they running with while the coal isn't loaded ?
@FatSeal45 Some steam engines were as powerful as 4 World War 2 era diesels. but not modern diesels. The Reading T1 doesn't have as much drawbar horsepower as a single GE ES44AC. The Challenger is only slightly more powerful than a single ES44AC.
add don't stop me now to this you'll thank me later
That made my day. Thank you.
I really don't think you would want to push her more than 100, she only has 74" drivers.