More footage of New York Central's 4-6-4 Hudsons, both streamlined and non.... Footage is from "Trains at Speed!" by Herron Rail Video www.herronrail....
I've been an avid railfan since I was about 5, and have been a welder and machinist for the last 28 years. As well, many of my older, and late family members worked for the PRR in either the Holidaysburg car shops, or out in Altoona...so the source of the fascination with steam engines is obvious. Could we potentially build a Hudson or Niagara from scratch? Absolutely...we're The USA...we are capable of anything...we taught the rest of the world how to do it!
If I went back in time I would actually consider saving one of these Hudsons, Any railfan who wants to go back to the 50s would want to bring one of these back.
Not to be that kind of guy. But the Hudsons didn't really... exist in the 50s. If you want to see a locomotive of its type in its prime I would recommend going back to the 20s 30s or early 40s (so like 1941 or 42)
@@danikoo582 I know that, but I'm just recommending a good time frame. So he can see the locomotives in their prime when they were the main source of power on the New York Central.
i think at 1:25 and there on is some of the best footage i have ever seen!!! sounds like a blazing bullet!!! and seen those huge drivers at those speeds is a amazing! plus how weathered it is makes it just super awesome!!!
Thank You! Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou! Thatlast fly-by looks like the Riley, and is the first shot (admitted not clear) of the ACF Combine I've found to date. The only car I had no idea what I was looking for to model.
well things are the way they are. im thankful for our live steam 5344. it's a good running locomotive and no matter where it goes. it always gets alot of attention.
@@danikoo582i think the audio at 0:40 is a dub Since it sounds like they pitch the whistle It probably is a NYC six chime but not from this locomotive
@@solidaridadjusticia1438 I don't believe that it was dubbed, the chugging of the loco sounds synced with the loco, and steam emission can be seen as it whistles. It's probably a cast iron NYC 6 chime (short bell??) in this same video it shows a Hudson with a high pitched whistle, and I've seen that in other vids, the Commodore Vanderbilt wore a high pitched whistle a bit similar to the replica NYC 6 chime from MDwhsitles
@@solidaridadjusticia1438 The MDwhistles vid just proves that the Central had higher pitched 6 chimes, can't be sure if it sounds almost exactly like one. Do medium bells exist?
Wow!! What great footage, and the color shots of the Dreyfuss in action make this video a 'must see'. We'll be running the 20th Century Limited on our O-gauge layout later this spring. Check out what's running now at the Silver Rail Club! As always, we value your comments!
The era where the rails ruled america has nearly ended sadly even the diesels will die out which especially saddens me cause I've grown up around those mighty diesels and their rumbling motors following behind each other pulling freight and passenger their horns blaring over the grumble of the SD40-2's and GP38's that pass on the Meridian and Bigbee everyday the sound of nearly fifty years of service it's magnificent and beautiful but how I long to see the might of the great steam engine and the sleek speed of the GG1's, to watch the Vanderbilt speed down the line, and the long heavy trains lead by the mighty steamers pulling up the mountains but alas I grew up long after that as I am only 14 and will never see this happen just to watch the diesels the SD40's and even the GEVOs fade from the rails of america to be overtaken by the fast electric bullet trains and other machines it will be sad that one day kids may never even see a train in real life just in pictures, because someday the mighty diesels and steamers will be lost to the history books and those who remember will think "What happened?"
Nothing personal against you and the enthusiasm I also share for 5344 & these fine machines, but the only NYC Hudsons coming even remotely close to preservation were 5311 & 5313 which went to TH&B, the tender of 5313 survives. Once all were struck from the roster and in storage for scrap all were stripped of goodies overnight everywhere. My dad was a Big Four engineer and still had to wait 35 years to finally have a chance at a Hudson bell as again they all vanished at once, his is from 5449.
Build a new one, just like they did in England (Tornado). Seriously, it would be an interesting cost comparison. Depending on the state of the locomotive, it may even be feasable to build a new one?
Extremely late reply, but those are track pans. It allowed the locos to fill their water tenders on the go and reduced stopping times (also allowed them to use smaller tenders as well).
@stickdog100 - $800,000 to $1,500,000? As someone who restores locomotives I can tell you that $1,500,000 may cover the cost of the boiler. A finished 4-6-4 would run closer to $5,000,000. :-(
yes but with a proper machine shop, you can make most of the parts if you have a large mill like say a ship builder or something that does heavy industry, and a good foundry to cast parts, it would take time you would just need the schematics and you could problably do it.
@stickdog100 wow 800,000 to one million five hundred dollars. ok thanks, somethin told me thats what it would probably cost, not just for materials n stuff but for labor, etc etc. but then again i needed input from others of what they thought it would cost. thanks for replying
@GranTurismo360 Yeah. I can't believe they don't even make new miniature replicas of Dreyfuss Hudsons. But at least they make new miniature replicas of other types of Hudsons.
Every whistle in this video was recorded on the same moment the video was recorded. These aren't the closest of what they sounded like, they ARE what they sounded like
It is not. It's just good dubbing. Very few railroad photographers at the time were able to successfully capture sound as the film was being shot. The two processes individually were already quite difficult. Combining them was a whole other beast.
I am just saying they would be the ones to be able to do it, but the main thing at the acrhs 765 home is that you have to have the giant mold to cast the frame plate its all one piece and that was done away with long ago for a berk for example, I never said you had to trust csx they cant even run their own steam program and its a shame since they are a large rail company with lines all over the place, and do remeber it took the brits 20 years or so to put that new steamer together, It takes time
well wildguy, if one hudson was saved chances of it being in excursion service would be low. only service it would end up on would be a tourist railroad, running at 15 or 20 mph. even so, it would still be nice to it running up and down the track though even if it's not highballin at 90 mph.
@@danikoo582 The Mohawks are great and I'm happy that two survive, but that's no F7, in fact, no New York Central F units survived, I checked. The FL9 is disguised as a NYC locomotive, but it's really a New Haven unit, as they were the only original owner of the FL9.
The NYC had a hatred for an adoring public that no one can seem to understand. In turn, they preserved nothing the way their arch rival PRR did. The 20TH Century Limited behind a J3A Super Hudson with a Centipede class tender flying at 80 MPH out to Chicago over high iron...not to much will ever compare to that!
No not the main guys, I mean the volenters that keep the mainline steamers going, the Union Pacific boys, the Fort Wayne Railroad historical socity people like that who know how to put steamers back together and the size the parts need to be for the locomotive even after having a new one machined, they have to farm out some work but they do tons of it themselves as for csx well they are the remains of the B&O which was the first railroad company in america, as well as a source of jobs for us.
Greedy NYC?! History is very clear the business went on it's ear after the end of the Korean war, which extending the usefulness of steam power in the USA. The 50's NYC went thorugh periods of cash shortages, and payroll was met barely at times through ±1958. Our family depended on a NYC paycheck, Perlman performed responsibly to the employees and shareholders in that order. He was running a railroad, not a museum. You want to assign internet blame, start at the top and correct place, with EMD.
well back then scrap value for steam was supposedly and i could be wrong but scrap value for steam back in 50's to early 60's was at an all time high. like i tell people my live steam model 5344 the real one was very close to be saved. the price on her was 10,000 dollars. the group of men that wanted to save her could only come up with 8500 had they come up with an extra 2500 dollars. 5344 the most famous of all hudsons would of been saved entirely intact.
the train does the chug chug every quarter the wheel turns, the chugging sounds matches the video. the whistle smokes every time it blows, i think these are the original audios and matching clips
Well that idea is not too far fetched. In the UK and continental Europe many steam locos are expertly restored in such a way that it is basically a total rebuild. Same in the US. The blueprints of such famous locos should be rather easy to track down. Manufacturing facilities and knowledge is available. The only real obstacle is financing. We're talking serious money! That's very likely the reason why for example there is no UP Big Boy -yet - in working order (there is a Challenger though).
Nope. They sent a tremendous amount of motive power to the scrappers yard, for all the good that did them on the balance sheet for when NYC got absorbed into Penn Central. Penny wise, pound foolish.
@@HHopebringer I read/heard about this as well, none of the Hudsons were saved.... Not one!! Supposedly, this happened under the NYC's CEO Mr. Alfred E. Perlman, very demanding, but, one to whom his management practices did kind of inspire me. (Even a Mr. John Kennefick, formerly a CEO of the UP had served under Mr. Perlman.)
@@09JDCTrainMan some E7 survived (i think) 2013, 4085 and a rusty 4096 survived, a rusty fpa-1 was saved (1390), 2 electric nyc locos was also saved, they're very rusty, a 0-6-0 switcher was saved
@@danikoo582 No, 4085 and 4096 are E8s, and NYC 2013 is actually New Haven FL9 2040, the NYC never owned any FL9s, they were only bought by the New Haven.
Beautiful footage! (But gosh, some of the most illiterate nonsense I've seen online. Jeez, people--educate yourselves! Thanks for posting this great material. Kurt.
well I will tell you you dont need the stinking british, not that I dont like the people from the uk but you want an american locomotive to be built in america, look there are plenty of places that do excursion runs on the rails and they have to rebuild the boiler every 15 years or so and overhaul the engine, they could put one together if they had the time and someone to sponsor it, they got the knowlege and more often the blueprints for a loco like the 765 home has the plans to a lima berk.
I've been an avid railfan since I was about 5, and have been a welder and machinist for the last 28 years. As well, many of my older, and late family members worked for the PRR in either the Holidaysburg car shops, or out in Altoona...so the source of the fascination with steam engines is obvious. Could we potentially build a Hudson or Niagara from scratch? Absolutely...we're The USA...we are capable of anything...we taught the rest of the world how to do it!
And do an even better job of it this time.
Great footage of Hudsons in service. It's also nice to finally hear what a real NYC 6-chime sounds like. The pacing shot a 0:43 is my favorite.
*i* think that's a 5 chime...
Yeah it's a 6 chime, no NYC Hudsons used 5 chimes
The Hudson's have always been my favorite steamer. Great videos, thanks for sharing.
1:07 on the Hudsons’ high boiler pressure, the NYC 6 chime ends up sounding like a Central of Georgia 6 chime.
If I went back in time I would actually consider saving one of these Hudsons, Any railfan who wants to go back to the 50s would want to bring one of these back.
Not to be that kind of guy. But the Hudsons didn't really... exist in the 50s. If you want to see a locomotive of its type in its prime I would recommend going back to the 20s 30s or early 40s (so like 1941 or 42)
@@solidaridadjusticia1438There are footages from late 1940s to early 1950s or even in 1955
@@danikoo582 I know that, but I'm just recommending a good time frame. So he can see the locomotives in their prime when they were the main source of power on the New York Central.
The 20th Century Limited was such an elegant train. These videos prove it.
Absolutely breathtaking !!!
Woe!!! What great footage of my most favorite railroad when I was a kid!
i think at 1:25 and there on is some of the best footage i have ever seen!!! sounds like a blazing bullet!!! and seen those huge drivers at those speeds is a amazing! plus how weathered it is makes it just super awesome!!!
It's tragic that none of these were preserved. Absolutely spectacular machines. Perhaps someday we'll build another one.
Thank You! Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou! Thatlast fly-by looks like the Riley, and is the first shot (admitted not clear) of the ACF Combine I've found to date. The only car I had no idea what I was looking for to model.
You know, if a Pennsy T1 is being built from the rails up, then why can't we build a NYC J3A? Or a NYC hudson in general?
I'd much rather see a Hudson than a T1
I want to see a J#
Or a Niagara?
Yes I would love to see a streamlined j3 hudson they are one of my top 3 favorite locomotives
i'd want to see a J1e! well when somebody can get their finger out their ass and think *I HAVE TO BUILD A NYC HUDSON!*
To see these on the mainline every day oh what a treat that must of been
You got to like that last one in the video before the end now that's what I call highballing On The Rails!
these were no joke, they could fly!
1:25 amazing to see a machine that old move so much tonnage at speed wow.
0:25 is the best shot, nothin like watchin the rods move at speed.
1:25 Did you know this audio is actually from a Niagara!?? It was recorded by John M Prophet III. On the uncut audio it's whistle could be heard!!
well things are the way they are. im thankful for our live steam 5344. it's a good running locomotive and no matter where it goes. it always gets alot of attention.
My favorite locomotive type (NYC J's) and wheel config. If we can get a T1, we can get a Hudson. I'd love to be part of a project to build one.
the t1 is huge and it's being built, it's probably possible to rebuild a hudson
@@danikoo582i think the audio at 0:40 is a dub Since it sounds like they pitch the whistle It probably is a NYC six chime but not from this locomotive
@@solidaridadjusticia1438 I don't believe that it was dubbed, the chugging of the loco sounds synced with the loco, and steam emission can be seen as it whistles. It's probably a cast iron NYC 6 chime (short bell??) in this same video it shows a Hudson with a high pitched whistle, and I've seen that in other vids, the Commodore Vanderbilt wore a high pitched whistle a bit similar to the replica NYC 6 chime from MDwhsitles
@@danikoo582 If the MD whistle video is to be believed. The whistle at 0:40 Might be a half bell or medium bell Whichever way you prefer to say it
@@solidaridadjusticia1438 The MDwhistles vid just proves that the Central had higher pitched 6 chimes, can't be sure if it sounds almost exactly like one. Do medium bells exist?
Nostalgic. Authentic sound too
At 1:25 when your girl says she home alone
put it on 2x speed!
Wow!! What great footage, and the color shots of the Dreyfuss in action make this video a 'must see'. We'll be running the 20th Century Limited on our O-gauge layout later this spring. Check out what's running now at the Silver Rail Club! As always, we value your comments!
The era where the rails ruled america has nearly ended sadly even the diesels will die out which especially saddens me cause I've grown up around those mighty diesels and their rumbling motors following behind each other pulling freight and passenger their horns blaring over the grumble of the SD40-2's and GP38's that pass on the Meridian and Bigbee everyday the sound of nearly fifty years of service it's magnificent and beautiful but how I long to see the might of the great steam engine and the sleek speed of the GG1's, to watch the Vanderbilt speed down the line, and the long heavy trains lead by the mighty steamers pulling up the mountains but alas I grew up long after that as I am only 14 and will never see this happen just to watch the diesels the SD40's and even the GEVOs fade from the rails of america to be overtaken by the fast electric bullet trains and other machines it will be sad that one day kids may never even see a train in real life just in pictures, because someday the mighty diesels and steamers will be lost to the history books and those who remember will think "What happened?"
@GranTurismo360 I know, I teared a little when I heard the whistle at 0:40 . Henry Dryfuss was an amazing Industrial designer.
Dcoursy your videos are a treasure.
I LOVE the Hudsons of the NYC!
ditto on the pacing shot--especially the 3-way meet. Damn!
1:07 Love that whistle!
1:07
Nothing personal against you and the enthusiasm I also share for 5344 & these fine machines, but the only NYC Hudsons coming even remotely close to preservation were 5311 & 5313 which went to TH&B, the tender of 5313 survives. Once all were struck from the roster and in storage for scrap all were stripped of goodies overnight everywhere. My dad was a Big Four engineer and still had to wait 35 years to finally have a chance at a Hudson bell as again they all vanished at once, his is from 5449.
1:25 when you are late at the final exam at school
It sounds like a Uk locomotive chuffing
It is announced a replica of the original NYC Hudson is going to be built, but it's cancelled.
Sounds like a joke
Build a new one, just like they did in England (Tornado). Seriously, it would be an interesting cost comparison. Depending on the state of the locomotive, it may even be feasable to build a new one?
Great Job!!!!
That last run-by at 1:34 could be at Bryan Ohio. Looks like DV Tower, and trackage fits. Not sure tho.
Nice video.
Great to see old steamers filmed in this way.
Is that a third rail for electric current pick up at 0:24..?
Extremely late reply, but those are track pans. It allowed the locos to fill their water tenders on the go and reduced stopping times (also allowed them to use smaller tenders as well).
275 New York Central Hudsons were build.
Oh my gawd cameras back then were still better than modern bank cams
0:47 Wait, is that actual audio!?
Yes!!
@howardkevinm 125 was their top speed, but they were regulated to only 90 mph when haulin the limited's or other passenger trains.
@stickdog100 - $800,000 to $1,500,000? As someone who restores locomotives I can tell you that $1,500,000 may cover the cost of the boiler. A finished 4-6-4 would run closer to $5,000,000. :-(
yes but with a proper machine shop, you can make most of the parts if you have a large mill like say a ship builder or something that does heavy industry, and a good foundry to cast parts, it would take time you would just need the schematics and you could problably do it.
My favorite loco!
I'm already liking him. He's got my name! ^^
0:41 honestly sounds like CB&Q 4960’s original whistle.
Daddy what's a train song from I love toy trains.
that is a sweat sight and sound
@stickdog100 wow 800,000 to one million five hundred dollars. ok thanks, somethin told me thats what it would probably cost, not just for materials n stuff but for labor, etc etc. but then again i needed input from others of what they thought it would cost. thanks for replying
@GranTurismo360 Yeah. I can't believe they don't even make new miniature replicas of Dreyfuss Hudsons. But at least they make new miniature replicas of other types of Hudsons.
Awesome video 5*****
@TomedysTrains The LIRR fan site told me about the other ones, i think it was 15 and 36, pluss they are restoring a mini steamer.
0:48 this is the closest we'll get to hearing what J Hudsons on the NYC sounded like singing.
Every whistle in this video was recorded on the same moment the video was recorded. These aren't the closest of what they sounded like, they ARE what they sounded like
@@danikoo582 Closest as in: This is the closest way to hear them without living in the era.
@@AdmiralColdhead yes
@@danikoo582 I should also mention that not every whistle in this video was authentically recorded as a designated whistle. 1:14 is dubbed audio.
@@AdmiralColdhead It's not dubbed, look and listen to the steam and the Whistle, you can notice that when the Whistle is blown a lot of steam came out
I grew up in the wrong era
Nice footage 5*
I love those coast to coast tenders and huge drivers. I hear there's a special place in Hell for Al Perlman.
A good businessman. But a HORRIBLE Peservationist
it's not only his fault, the other railroads that had them also scraped them, he tried to sell them but nobody wanted (thanks for EMD)
1:06, is that the Actual audio of the Engine shown
yes i guess, the whistle smoked while blowing
It is not. It's just good dubbing. Very few railroad photographers at the time were able to successfully capture sound as the film was being shot. The two processes individually were already quite difficult. Combining them was a whole other beast.
@@Eli_Santin ok? it was difficult, maybe the person that recorded was one of the few that did it successfully
I am just saying they would be the ones to be able to do it, but the main thing at the acrhs 765 home is that you have to have the giant mold to cast the frame plate its all one piece and that was done away with long ago for a berk for example, I never said you had to trust csx they cant even run their own steam program and its a shame since they are a large rail company with lines all over the place, and do remeber it took the brits 20 years or so to put that new steamer together, It takes time
A few of the steamers from Long Island NY are currently being restored in I think steam town they sed, might be Conneticet thou.
I'm very certain there will be a new hudson and/or niagra someday
Any videos showing these picking up water on the fly ?
Connor, a new character from the Thomas & Friends TV show is based on the streamlined version of a New York Central Hudson.
No one cares.
TheHIROD51 the one that looks a Dreyfuss hudson right?
And Sam in one episode I haven't seen but he is a Virginia 2-6-6-6 Allegany
@@mikadostulc4513 it's a blue ridge
Nobody gives a shit, But the Hudsons were actually some of the nicest locomotives to run the rails and too bad none were saved.
Did someone noticed that at the begining in the wheel scenes a 4-8-4 northern apeared?
that's not a 4-8-4, the return crank is on the second wheel, you'll need one more wheel behind it to make it a 4-8-4
yes.
well wildguy, if one hudson was saved chances of it being in excursion service would be low. only service it would end up on would be a tourist railroad, running at 15 or 20 mph. even so, it would still be nice to it running up and down the track though even if it's not highballin at 90 mph.
Too bad none survive, like their Niagaras, F units, E7s, and ALCO PAs.
Wait! You want to say there is no one? I can't believe!!! Nooooo!!!!!!! I love it!!
at least there are 2 mohawks, the closest thing to a hudson and there is a nyc f7
@@danikoo582 The Mohawks are great and I'm happy that two survive, but that's no F7, in fact, no New York Central F units survived, I checked. The FL9 is disguised as a NYC locomotive, but it's really a New Haven unit, as they were the only original owner of the FL9.
@@09JDCTrainMan But and those F8?
@@danikoo582 There were no F8s built. However, I believe 4 original NYC E8s survive.
The NYC had a hatred for an adoring public that no one can seem to understand. In turn, they preserved nothing the way their arch rival PRR did. The 20TH Century Limited behind a J3A Super Hudson with a Centipede class tender flying at 80 MPH out to Chicago over high iron...not to much will ever compare to that!
Who told you that?
I try so hard to maintain an interest in today's "railroading". It's simply impossible.
yeah, it's just boring these horns and the quiet engines
No not the main guys, I mean the volenters that keep the mainline steamers going, the Union Pacific boys, the Fort Wayne Railroad historical socity people like that who know how to put steamers back together and the size the parts need to be for the locomotive even after having a new one machined, they have to farm out some work but they do tons of it themselves as for csx well they are the remains of the B&O which was the first railroad company in america, as well as a source of jobs for us.
@Engineer5344 Maybe somewhere between $800,000 and $1,500,000
0:47 [train chugging] 0:51 [train chugging]
1:26 [train chugging]
@boilerbob7 you were? you lucky.
Greedy NYC?! History is very clear the business went on it's ear after the end of the Korean war, which extending the usefulness of steam power in the USA. The 50's NYC went thorugh periods of cash shortages, and payroll was met barely at times through ±1958. Our family depended on a NYC paycheck, Perlman performed responsibly to the employees and shareholders in that order. He was running a railroad, not a museum. You want to assign internet blame, start at the top and correct place, with EMD.
yup no problem, i just know the story of ours because my dad had told me about it from someone else.
well back then scrap value for steam was supposedly and i could be wrong but scrap value for steam back in 50's to early 60's was at an all time high. like i tell people my live steam model 5344 the real one was very close to be saved. the price on her was 10,000 dollars. the group of men that wanted to save her could only come up with 8500 had they come up with an extra 2500 dollars. 5344 the most famous of all hudsons would of been saved entirely intact.
were those the actual whistles of the hudsons?
the train does the chug chug every quarter the wheel turns, the chugging sounds matches the video. the whistle smokes every time it blows, i think these are the original audios and matching clips
agh, we're behind schedule. better get her up to 90 mph if i want to get the 20th century in on time.
Well that idea is not too far fetched. In the UK and continental Europe many steam locos are expertly restored in such a way that it is basically a total rebuild. Same in the US. The blueprints of such famous locos should be rather easy to track down. Manufacturing facilities and knowledge is available. The only real obstacle is financing. We're talking serious money! That's very likely the reason why for example there is no UP Big Boy -yet - in working order (there is a Challenger though).
the big boy is steaming again
It depends on the model, the fastest were probably Milwaukee´s F7 class, capable of clocking 120 mph
Or 135mph
Looks great ! Steamtrains looks better than diesels or electrics.
Yes, I like steam more but my favorite diesel engine are the F units and the electric engines the PRR GG1
I LOVE THOSE HUDSONS!! Too bad none were saved. I don't even think they saved many of their diesels did they?
Nope. They sent a tremendous amount of motive power to the scrappers yard, for all the good that did them on the balance sheet for when NYC got absorbed into Penn Central. Penny wise, pound foolish.
@@HHopebringer That explains why there aren't any surviving NYC E7s and F units
@@HHopebringer I read/heard about this as well, none of the Hudsons were saved.... Not one!! Supposedly, this happened under the NYC's CEO Mr. Alfred E. Perlman, very demanding, but, one to whom his management practices did kind of inspire me. (Even a Mr. John Kennefick, formerly a CEO of the UP had served under Mr. Perlman.)
@@09JDCTrainMan some E7 survived (i think) 2013, 4085 and a rusty 4096 survived, a rusty fpa-1 was saved (1390), 2 electric nyc locos was also saved, they're very rusty, a 0-6-0 switcher was saved
@@danikoo582 No, 4085 and 4096 are E8s, and NYC 2013 is actually New Haven FL9 2040, the NYC never owned any FL9s, they were only bought by the New Haven.
mr pearlman who was supposedly the vice president of the road had every single hudson, niagara and any other steam engines scrapped.
0:51 BS Tower, Bellefontane, Ohio
Beautiful footage! (But gosh, some of the most illiterate nonsense I've seen online. Jeez, people--educate yourselves! Thanks for posting this great material. Kurt.
Yeah it would rock if at least ONE was saved
0:22 [train chugging]
too bad boradway limited's hudson didn't sound badass like those did
I think you can change it
@SP5004 5 million dollars, ok thanks SP5004
What kind of nutjob did NOT like this. JeeZZZZZZZ
I have to say what happen to my America.
well I will tell you you dont need the stinking british, not that I dont like the people from the uk but you want an american locomotive to be built in america, look there are plenty of places that do excursion runs on the rails and they have to rebuild the boiler every 15 years or so and overhaul the engine, they could put one together if they had the time and someone to sponsor it, they got the knowlege and more often the blueprints for a loco like the 765 home has the plans to a lima berk.
Too bad ALL of the 4-6-4 NYC Dreyfuss Steam locomotives were scrapped... (*SNIFF*)
Soon there will be one... If the T1 trust can build a T1 duplex, a Hudson can be built
0:40
I was told that the crooked president of the company gave all the Hudsons to his brother in law who owned a scrap yard. Wouldn't save even one.