The Problem with NoMod in osu!
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In this video, I talk about the importance of having the right AR for a map in osu! and how the current cap on AR for NoMod maps hinders that.
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Hard Rock bringing stuff to AR10 is too slow now we need Death Metal to bring it up to 11.5
thats actually not a terrible idea
@@InkLynedmaybe like 10.5, 11.5 is unsightreadable lol
@@andr0as not unsightreadable, a small handful can read it with warm up. source-my friend avery (number 3 on reaction speed in osu skills leaderboard)
@@innerlichtotig9325ar11.5 is readable with warm-up, say that again
@@innerlichtotig9325im gonna touch you
Tbh i just think pp needs to be coded in a way to really increase the value it puts on rythm and pattern complexity. The only reason there are only hrdt maps at the top is because these metrics cannot be valued properly
im pretty sure they are reworking rythm in the next pprework
@@fruitilicousVT yeah they do an im excited for it. But its so complex that i would assume that it wont be the best representatilon. Also i hope they put pattern density in it somehow
they try to improve this every rework, but every rework a new broken meta pops up
I think ur not a stem or at least not a math/cs person because what you're describing is very difficult lol
well, part of the problem as well is NM/HR can only go up to AR10 and OD10, while there are bonuses for AR11 and OD11
hot take probablt, but imo ar cap should not be increased. Instead players should learn how to read high density ar 10. I just hope that people will rank good maps above 10 stars. There isn't big varity of choice right now.
we should atleast have the option to have it above AR10, otherwise dt maps have a huge advantage over nm in higher stars, which imo makes no sense.
but yeah ar10 high density reading as a skillset isnt exactly bad, but its bad that it's our only option
players will not learn how to read because every type of reading except High AR reading gives 0 pp
they will play HDDT instead
but why would anyone spend time learning how to read to play the hardest 30 maps when they can just play HDDT on one of the numerous easier maps?
no one is going to learn density reading for aim skillcap other than maybe getting crazy scores on loved maps
100% agree with this, people should learn to read maps in general
I think having a higher cap would be cool, but I also think that trying to get around your reading problems by increasing the AR is quite pathetic. That's genuinely skill issue.
its more that theres no point in playing nm over dt for top players wanting to get pp
@@Panguk that didn't really seem like your main point but to give the benefit of the doubt, i don't think that means nomod or dt is the problem, it's a pp problem.
@@AscensionismOnOsu yes its a pp problem; this wouldnt be a problem if AR was factored into pp
@@Panguk OD as well, that's a whole other can of worms that the pp system wouldn't be able to figure out well enough atm.
off topic your voice is actually nice to listen to
literally blushing rn
I can't even read ar 10 because it's too fast... and now there's maps that has higher ar then 10? Hope that dosn't happen on lower sr maps xd
definitely wont dw
It's fine just the way it is, u should have a good foundation on reading if ur able to play even 8 stars properly nomod (this doesn't include simple jumps)
An HR extra mod that pushes everything to AR11 would be cool, but i believe only possible on Laser
I think the bigger problem with high sr nm map is the od cap (limits pp gain) as well as patterns being more difficult when compared to their dt counterparts with equivalent sr. Most top players who can play high sr can read high density as well so while ar is an issue it is not as much as the other 2 i mentioned
@@khangtheasian OD doesnt affect pp right
Im chilling with my 5 star AR 9 maps at #215000 :)
I personally think AR should be a choice of a player , as everyone has a preference of AR , yes you can learn different AR's but i see it as this , why can Mania players change the note speed at will when we cant at all , while mania players gain pp with their preferred approach rate , and we cant choose our approach rate for our preference , since AR doesn't effect PP it shouldn't matter which we pick
hear me out.. increase the AR limit set on maps to like 12 for redundancy and make it so mappers can change the AR of a map depending on the section, ofc with additional mapping rules implemented for mapping these kinds of things.
good idea, though it'll be almost impossible to implement in stable's spaghetti code
@@Panguk yeah for sure it would have to be a lazer thing unless peppy and the lads on the coding side can find a way
there’s no need to increase ar cap but players to improve reading. Many people nowadays(like 5 or even some 4 digits). would consider ar9 on a 210bpm nm1 a “low ar map”. and it was not like this before DT became this big
I'm 10.7k and 9.6 and below is low AR, AR9 is like a reading map
@@F3st1v3 that’s what I’m saying. People nowadays are too weak in reading in average. it’s not like the thing is unreadable, it’s just the lack of reading skill and it’s becoming worse
AR is up to 11 on Lazer, if you want to test
there are no problems with it its perfect (I haven't watched the video)
conclusion: everyone should just learn to read ar 8
oh also no its not perfect, its capped at od 10 which means while dt players can farm way more because of higher od, nm players cant
we should all learn AR7.2 and play 20* maps on EZ!!!
@@sentimentalskyscraper do you know that if you take top10, put OD of each map they played to 10, and rerun every score - they all will gain a lot of pp and Sidetracked Day will become 1800pp
so your statement is invalid
i'm chillin with my AR4 ez mod
same ezht enjoyer
If you have 2X dt on lazer With hard rock Im pretty sure it will be AR 12, or was it 11.5? Idk.
nm is not hard. its just happens that in order for a map to be 10 stars, it needs 10 star patterns, which means its harder than 7star patterns that are just faster
mostly true, but i still think AR has something to do with why ranked 300bpm+ nm jump maps arent a thing
@@Panguk ye i think the high density is basically the same as hard patterns, but there could still be like 240 bpm jumps that are like 10+ stars with a hard enough pattern (imagine bang bang but just more jumps)
I am pretty sure high AR NM can not be implemented due to the stable client still having spaghetti code and it being hard to implement new features in there. This isnt only limited to this either, some other possibilities are limited by this too, for example the current issue of scorev1'ing oneself (reason why CSR isnt implemented yet) aswell as the integer limit which prevents very long maps from being ranked
cant they make your highest pp score on a map to be the one that counts for pp? i dont see why it would be so hard to change from scorev1 to pp for that
i could be wrong tho
I can't even read ar 10 at 13k pls dont raise the AR on my NM maps thats all I got 😅
10.6 with nomode?
Sounds like a skill issue (TL;DR I like NM dense reading and can play ar7-10.5)
The map at 1:56 i think is fine with ar 10
i always thought about that and i had a take even hotter.
why can't we just have AR as a changable option? like osu mania has the speed with witch notes go in the game settings.
i mean yeah that would ruin the point of different unique maps like oddloop, but on the other hand every map could be played like this if you want it. low ar have always been a niche gamestyle not for pp but for challenge.
personally i hate 9.2 ar maps. call me a noob but i just cant read them, and with hr 5.2 cs is usually not fun for me too. if i want to have fun i will just make an unranked ar10 version of a map in osu trainer because i don't really care about pp and ranking.
i believe all of my top plays are on the 3.5~ cs maps with hr lol. maybe its just me but i think variable ar would make osu such more fun game.
that because on standard AR and density work different than Scroll speed and density does. i dont know how to explain it
its also just how the game is supposed to be played; mania and standard are completely different games. they only made scroll speed adjustable because otherwise rhythm gamers from other games would complain
also in lazer theres difficulty adjust, u can just change ar to whatever u want with that mod
Yomi Yori is just too slow maybe need to add DT
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@@Panguk WHO IS THIS GUY WHAT
@@Panguk i was not trying to make fun of the video the title is just really funny when taken out of context 😭😭 itd become a much larger problem for like dense 15 star maps sightreading to an extent would become a thing of the past
ur voice is so cute
just farm ez