You know five of six of Skallagrim's oldest videos here are about shooting guns, right? And in the oldest 50, maybe more than two thirds are about guns, most of the rest about knives.
One thing that would bring back the reliability argument for revolvers, would be that in apocalypse type scenario you will not have constant access to good quality ammo. If you get a dud in a double action revolver, you just squeeze the trigger again and it goes for the next round. Same with underpowered or overpowered rounds (would definitely happen in reloaded ammo), you have no slide to worry about so you can just load whatever
Came to say exactly the same. With factory quality ammo the semi is better (in most cases, one handed use for example the revolver is better again). But it definitely has a smaller margin for error than a revolver.
@@Skallagrim It's also an advantage for the lever rifle, pump shotgun and granddad's SMLE. Accidentally load your .303 to ¾ the "proper" power and, well, it still makes a .44 Magnum look kind of weak, and we all know how well a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, would work against zombies, right?
While a .22 pistol would certainly be a nice and useful thing to have as long as ammo holds out, it's kind of a waste of ammo when you could have had a .22 rifle. Ammo is going to be precious, don't waste it in sub-optimal firearms.
@@wingracer1614 This is a reference to the game Fallout New Vegas where when entering casinos your weapons are taken from you except for small weapons like a .22 pistol or knife. It's implied that its easier to hide them.
@@wingracer1614One thing I don't see people mension is that a .22 is also MUCH less loud than most other firearms. While anybody reasonably close will clearly hear the gunshots, it won't carry quite so far. A niche advantage at best but I feel it's worth factoring in if you aren't trying to draw the attention of everybody for miles.
The hypothetical "who are you to talk?"-person seems to forget the more glaring issue that nobody has ever been in a zombie apocalypse. Fun's over, nobody's allowed to fantasize or prep anymore, sci-fi is also canceled.
I feel bad for the survivors who simply do not know how to shoot a gun. It isn't as if they're stuck without them, having a firearm on-hand is still useful for anyone coming across somebody who could teach them. Stealth is key in a post-apocalyptic world. If you do not know how to use a gun, put points into skills which suit your situation better.
@@Neiot heh seven kings "the stand" gives a chapter to the poor souls who are just not that bright who survive the apocalypse. statistically speaking 30% loss due to simple accident is expected.
Based on what I experienced with the massive ammo shortages in Alaska in the 2010's, the common ammo becomes so expensive nobody wants to waste any of it. 5.56, .308, 9mm, .45 ACP, etc. were absurdly pricey or just GONE. Reloading components esp. primers went way up in price. So hoarding developed quickly. For post-apocalypse, that means if people THINK you have ammo, you are both powerful and a target. Firearm carrying becomes a kind of poker game, where opponents have to figure out if you really have ammo or not. You want them to think you have just enough to end them, and no more. In an all-out shooting war in that environment, there would be scavengers running between the opposing armies stealing brass. Heck, we've had them at ranges and it's not even the post-apocalypse yet LOL
@@shawnwolf5961 every time a democrat gets elected there's a big scare about guns and people buy em and all the ammo up. Seems like a market tactic given how many times its happened now
I think the big question is: how many years are we into the apocalypse? It’s heavily going to impact the types of ammo available. By the time we reach post-apocalypse, there likely wouldn’t be many shells around to use (they’d have been used or eroded away), but you might have the industry needed to make rudimentary gunpowder, at which point flintlocks and blunderbusses become the best firearms. Also: bows and. crossbows. Don’t forget those, especially for hunting and skirmishes.
I'd think ammo concerns become an issue almost immediately, as anyone that has it will horde it. If you didn't have immediate access to ammo, you likely aren't going to get more without a windfall, and you likely won't have the means to make more. Bows and crossbows being able to use any sticks as improvised ammo makes them way more useful, along with the lack of noise.
Tbh, I've never made a gun, I don't have a clue about chemistry, and machining is still outside of my grasp, but I *am* an HVAC technician, so I know compressed fluids, combustion appliances, and electrical appliances and everything that goes into them. If the zombie apocalypse really did happen, I think you'd see a lot more coilguns and saw/Indiana-Jones traps around, as well as doors with puzzles to only allow humans into places.
@@TheEmperorGulcasashepherd’s sling would also absolutely slap in the post-apocalypse, especially since we know you can be trained at it from a young age + any rock is your ammo. You can also use it to launch Molotov cocktails if you’re lucky enough to find ingredients for that
@johntheidiot9046 Yeah, there's a huge part of the sword community that's either heavily "anti-woke," or just not a reliable source, and Skall has shown himself to be neither. A reputable source and a decent human.
Yeah been a viewer since like 2014. He's grown a lot as a person (as have I) and that's something that I appreciate a lot. Not being a chud is also a huge plus over a majority of the "weapon enthusiasts" community
The thing most people skip over about zombie scenarios where the zombies are attracted to sounds is that it would be stupid easy for any halfway organized group to virtually eliminate the local zombie threat using bells, chimes, children's toys, or battery powered speakers. Zombies could be baited into a builing or pit trap soaked with gasoline. Then a torch or flare could be sent in. A rag-tag group of survivors working with the remaining military presence could use clearly marked minefields and razor wire to create safe zones for mobile mortar and howitzer crews to whittle down any significant horde of zeds that start to approach settlement zones. And they wouldn't even have to be well trained artillery crews, since they wouldn't have to worry about couner-battery fire or even adjusting their aim. The zombies will just flow to wherever the rounds are landing. And one they move on, if a group of zombies later makes their way to the area, they will set off a mine, which just attracts more zombies. Likewise a zombie cought in the razorwire will rattle around and draw in more zombies that will get caught. Not to mention that as long as any aircraft are still operational they could use cast metal and buckets to dump cheap flechettes onto a horde, if they run out of bombs to drop or they have to resort to using civilian aircraft. And the military would be able to create walled bases and settlements usin hesco or shipping containers filled with sand, because there just isn't going to be enough zombies in large numbers to scale the walls en masse without being taken out by guards with crossbows or suppressed .22 rifles.
@@ZelphTheWebmancer If you're writing a story set in a zombie apocalypse, you should also consider that even if zombies don't need to breathe or circulate blood, they still depend on intact bone structure. So fast zombies will be uninjured zombies and slow zombies will be injured ones. The longer a zombie has been around, the more likely it is to have broken something. A related consideration is that police and military personnel have long understood that the best way to ensure some kind of hit on an adversary darting quickly from one piece of cover or concealment is to pepper them with a shotgun. The shorter the magazine tube the better, since it makes the gun easier to swing around. Just a single or double barrel shotgun works best for hunting tiny birds and small game, for example. It's also noteworthy that these are some of the cheapest and most common guns in pawnshops across north america, they are even cheaper and more common in other western countries, and resistance groups in WWII cobled single shot shotguns out of spare materials. So from the perspective of a national guard commander training survivors off the street, the best way to utilize a fresh recruit would be giving them a single shot 12 Guage so they can turn fast zombies into slow zombies. The next best way is to use broomsticks or really anything to staffslings that can silently toss live grenades, air soft grenades, or improvised grenades (which could be anything like a rock, a soda can with a couple pebbles in it, a squeaky toy, a black powder grenade, or even a lady's personal toy) to cripple or distract slow zombies.
Before I finish watching, I want to say the title immediately made me think of _Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare._ One of the game's weapons is a blunderbuss, which was already outdated at the time the game is set, but its selling point (other than its ability to hit multiple enemies with one shot) is the notion that it can use about anything as ammo; in-game, this translates into using the remains of zombies to craft the ammunition.
Taking that further, a crossbow doesn't need a supply of black powder. So, a good crossbow that can take a slight variance in ammo means you can just make your own supply. They are probably easier to repair than a damaged gun also.
@@Neiot you can actually do this with a blunderbuss! It'll fire just about anything you can shove down the barrel, so long as there isn't too much friction/mass. You can literally just use grass as wadding if you're using loose shot that might scratch the barrel (like teeth) (don't take this as actual advice, do your own research. You are responsible for your own safety)
@@TheEmperorGulcasa the sulfur would definitely be a limiting factor. You could go from banging rocks together to a working compound crossbow about as fast as a crude flintlock, but unless you're a really good chemist, even I'd probably stick with the stick-yeeter.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa If we're going with primitive weapons, you can make single shot guns that can handle low pressure ammo out of a pipe. In a post apocalypse guns would be superior where noise doesn't matter.
I think having a suppressor for your firearm is also important because you'd want to take precautions to protect your hearing. In an apocalypse scenario, having strong hearing senses improves your situational awareness. I don't know if many revolvers that you can add suppressors to.
This is an excellent point, I would also opt for a silencer/suppressor. Intact eardrums are important. Provided you can even find one ... one which fits your exact weapon.
Silencers don't silence the gun, only mitigate some of the sound. Shooting most calibers likely would still damage hearing outside of some pistol calibers from a carbine.
@@TheInsomniaddict I know that Silencers don't silence the gun, but not having any sort of sound suppression on a gun, AND not having hearing protection, will seriously damage a person's hearing over time. In an apocalypse scenario, I don't think it would be ideal to constantly have hearing protection on since that could limit listening for attackers sneaking up on you. So, having some kind of suppressor on your gun would be much better since you can quickly pull out your firearm in an emergency and not have to worry too much about damaging your hearing. The gun is still going to be loud, but a suppressed gun is still better for your ear drums than no suppressor.
Thats what i like about shotguns for an apocalypse fantasy. You can reload shells with pretty much anything thats hard. BBs, nuts, washers, loose change. Not as effective as properly loaded Buckshot or Slugs, but it'll work in a pinch. Plus you dont have to worry about the precise pressures and tolerances of rifle/pistol ammo. Its a blunderbuss.
Those things will damage the gun though, even the blunderbuss wasn't often shot with random stuff because the damage to the barrel can cause it to explode or otherwise catastrophically malfunction.
@@blackdragon5274 pirates used random junk in their cannons at close range and they wrapped it with rags and ropes to prevent the barrel damage. A plastic sleeve can be used for this purpose in 12ga.
When my uncle was teaching me how to shoot, and was letting me try some of his guns, he let me try a .22 pump-action rifle. He snuck in a couple of pistol rounds with the LR while he was loading it, and I couldn't tell if it had even gone off through my hearing protectors when I got to the pistol rounds. .22LR out of a rifle is barely a whip crack, .22pistol out of a rifle doesn't even need a suppressor.
I like that you addressed the idea of magazines, because something I think about in this sort of scenario that is a huge advantage with revolvers and other guns that have an integrated magazine is how with those guns all you need to find is the gun itself and bullets. But any gun with a removable magazine, there is a chance that you find the gun, bullets, and no magazine. And at that point its almost worthless. Or you find one magazine and then the convenience of being magazine fed is only convenient insofar as the higher capacity, but then if you empty the mag, youre kinda screwed if there is anyone or anything left to return fire.
It's a highly unlikely scenario to find a gun and ammo but no magazines at all unless it's something exotic. In case of any scenario that includes mass usage of firearms there would be plenty of empty stanag and AK magazines dumped by their owners, too occupied or too dead to pick them up. Ammo is a much bigger problem.
@@PalassCat finding magazines can still be an issue especially in countries where guns are less common; having just one magazine for your pistol and manually reloading the mag every time you empty the gun makes a revolver definitely attractive
Most mag fed semi auto firearms can still be fired without a magazine, you'd just have to load the chamber manually after each shot. It's hardly ideal but still better than having nothing at all.
Very interesting arguments indeed! I'd like to add to this discussion that, in a post-apocalypse scenario with (probably) no reliable supply of smokeless powder, many people would likely turn to alternatives that are easier to produce/ procure like black powder. In that case, semi-automatic weapons would become far more unreliable because black powder tends to foul not only the barrel but also the gas systems that would cycle the next round. Consequently, your ol' reliable revolvers and repeating weapons would likely see much wider use, while semi-automatic firearms would be reserved for those with a steady supply of smokeless powder.
Bows, being significantly more quiet, is another ranged weapon that becomes surprisingly good as well, being able to potentially re-use ammo is another big plus Does take up a lot more room though 😅 Love these sorts of topics, great video!
The only problem I see is the fact that the arrows can still break. My dad is a bow hunter and has shattered many arrows while practicing and hunting. Granted you can make arrows but you need nice straight pieces of wood to make them fly straight. It’s certainly possible and easier than hunting down the powder to reload but isn’t as easy as most think. Then there is the penetration issue, if someone is wearing any kind of armor, homemade or legit, arrows out of anything but a heavy pull compound aren’t going to do much if anything even then if it is steal armor it isn’t going through.
So some pros to bows or crossbows is that broadheads will go through soft body armor rated for pistol calibers, can punch through sand bag fortifications, and can be used with a degree of silence (and lack of muzzle flash) surpassing everything but a kitted out 22. Make something like a Comanche shortbow and youve got a whole system that fits into a compact tub when its unstrung. Easy to add as a utility option to a pack or kit.
I’ve watched you since you worked in a knife shop, first video was the Riddick knives, go figure. Never give up, you may think revisiting old topics may not be viable but remember a lot of your new subscribers won’t go back and watch videos past 3 years usually. We love you.❤
repair is the main question. The simpler something is, the better it is for the apocalypse. parts wear out. and the availability of ammunition is important. The rest is up to everyone to find out for themselves which weapons are still left. Logic and rationality are the best guides
Just some of my thoughts - From an american midwestern perspective, finding firearms in this sort of scenario isn't a problem in any way. Basically every other household has a few. You wouldn't be doing much in the way of repairing them either. Even if you have access to a machine shop, most people don't know how to use it, and those that do know they don't really have the specs for any particular part you might need to replace. You can't just order spare parts either. Realistically, we would just stick to the common weapons and cannibalize them for spare parts. Or, just swap the whole thing. The real question is ammunition and the answer to that *really* depends. In most zom scenarios I have seen, things fall apart very quickly. Hours or days, not weeks or months. If it's one of those situations where it happens overnight, I can basically guarantee that any of the dozens of active, guard, and reserve military facilities around here have many thousands of 5.56, 7.62, and 9mm rounds. Plenty of mixed calibers in the houses too.
It depends entirely upon your definition of “good” and “worse.” The “best” firearm for the post apocalypse is the one that is in a common caliber, isn’t finicky about the ammo you feed it, and requires little maintenance. I have a feeling that even here in Canada acquiring guns won’t be a problem. Ammo will be a problem. Cleaning fluid will be a problem. Lubricant will be a problem. Spare parts will be a problem.
Reminded me of Joel Miller from Lisa The Pointless. He carries a gun with one bullet, and his entire moveset (in the context of an RPG) is threatening, taunting and flashing with his gun.
Assuming you have access to reloading equipment. I think shotguns would be a great choice in post-apocalyptia. You can load shells with all sorts of different projectiles giving you more options.
My go-to apocalypse gun would actually be a blackpowder revolver. Ammunition can be rationed and balanced to a finer degree, and you can carry blackpowder ammunition in much higher quantities. But, given the firearms and ammunition i already own im really not worried about shortages in ammo. A lot of people act like we are gonna be in gunfights all the time lol depending on the type of zombies i may elect to not even use a firearm at all. A sharp stick works really well, doesnt spend ammo, doesnt make noise. Unless we are talking about the zombie vampire hybrids in some games there likely is no immediate need to shoot anything except people who might want to hurt you. I would, of course, carry guns regardless, as I do now anyway, but for slower, weaker, dumber threats a sword or stick would be just fine
@weswolever7477 exactly. Its not that hard to do, and makes for a good campfire chore, too. Casting bullets from slag is easy to do, and dyes are readily available
I like the flexibility of the revolver not requiring the rounds energy to work the action. I load .38's from wimpy 148gr wad cutters to fire breathing hot .357's in the same revolver.
Very good vid man! I want to hear more about guns from you. Your trademark methodical explanations work really good with the retention beats that firearms provide ❤
Love the ruger revolvers, especially the security six snd the GP-100. This would depend on where you live but having a quiet .22 rifle with a can on it would be amazing for a lot of situations when you are trying to stay low and out of sight. Another good video Skall.
Loved seein a firearm video from you, it's been awhile. Definitely some food for thought, and it makes me feel a bit more satisfied in owning a humble 22 henry
No. In post-apocalyptic setting availability of ammo for a gun would be a crucial factor, so anything more exotic than 9mm or ubiquitous .45 caliber is going to be ditched first.
@Leonix13 potato cannon, but loaded with hard projectile (ball bearings or something like that) would be an ideal hunting/survival tool. It can work on most volatile combustible fuels, from butane gas to acetone/alcohol/ether.
I feel like in a post-apocalyptic setting, there will inevitably be scenarios where ammunition stores will be destroyed or rendered useless to prevent other survivors from getting a leg up on you. You are shooting (hurhur) yourself in the foot by doing this, but there are crazy people willing to do that.
If I lived in Canada like Skall. My go-tos would be big bore firearms, because of the magazine capacity laws. My Canadian choices would be a rifle in 45-70, 12 gauge pump, and a revolver in 357. Although since I live in America my choices are different.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian That's right I forgot. Isn't it that if you had one before the law changed you can still hold on to it? I feel so bad for my maple leaf brothers and sisters...
@@apocalyption5490 If you had it before the ban took effect then yes you can keep it for the rest of your life. But all transfers are now legally prohibited (even within family). Thus, if you pass away before Pierre Poilievre repeals Justin Trudeau's ban, the RCMP will come to your grieving familiy's house and confiscate it with ZERO financial compensation to your family.
They're not illegal, it's just there is a freeze on the sale. So everyone who has handguns is still legally owning them, they just can't sell them or buy new ones.
357 is a good choice, and it's actually a decent option for a carbine or lever action as well. That said I'd think that 9mm is still more common in Canada if you're looking at it from a scavenging perspective. 308 or 270 I think would be more common in Canada as well for rifle calibers. Outside of that, 223 is pretty common as well.
Plenty of ranges have staff that are hobbyists in target practice. Their knowledge is just as valid. One different is that they've not been trained specifically shoot-to-kill (not that hobbyists don't learn on their own) and conditioned into a willing-to-kill mentality.
@Neiot If you draw down on a threat and do not act you will most likely be either killed or run through the tyrannical court system for brandishing a firearm or such other " legal nonsense". "If you pull it you better be willing to use it". I learned from 2 sources, my father that was drafted into war and my uncle who was a shooting/hunting/2nd Amendment advocate...they had the same thoughts and opinions on the righteous use of firearms.
At least with the magazine the gun isn't attached to what you are having to hold. I wonder if they make magazines that are better to hold and load as opposed to being expected to never be reloaded while in action.
I think you'd find people using muzzle loaders in a post apocalypse lots... mainly because you don't need guns that often for survival aside from maybe hunting, but the key factor is, it's REALLY EASY to get more ammo and powder for a muzzle loader, compared to modern firearms. There might be some contemporary counterparts for blackpowder reusable casings for shotguns.
@@noobguy9973 yeah, in military operations there is a lot of suppressive fire usage. Obviously that isnt a privilege you have most of the time in apocalyptic scenarios.
A post apocalypse scenario will likely send most people back to usong manual action weapons once machined weapons are no longer available or become rare for parts. A slame action shotgun for example wouldn't take much to create. Gunpowder, or in this case black powder, would probably cause more problems at least for semi-automatics then it would manuals. There be a need for more maintenance.
Love the video. Importantly, you touch on it very briefly but the factor of what you are carrying and how much else you have is extremely important. In a survival situation, you have a lot of items you need to carry and a lot less space to carry it than people think. Water, food, shelter. A tent, some way to carry water reliably, and something to carry food are high priority. As much as I love a good rifle or shotgun, the length can become inhibiting. A small firearm is superior for its lower weight, ease of carry, and can carry more rounds. Combined with the need for reliability and maintenance needs for firearms, you want something super reliable and easy to care for. A good revolver is just flat out the most practical, preferably smaller caliber to carry more rounds. Then, for power when needed, a double barrel shotgun with the barrel and stock sawn off for ease of carry. Yes, it's a pain to shoot. But it would be an emergency weapon. In fact, both should be emergency weapons. A firearm should never be your primary weapon during an apocalypse. Revealing your location to other, desperate survivors could be a death sentence. The greatest way to win a fight is to never engage with it in the first place. Every fight you avoid is a fight won and survived. And survival is the goal. So avoid fights, avoid using that gun as much as you can. It's only there to save your life.
If you live in Europe, the go to calibers whould be 9mm, 38 special, 12 gauge, 30-06, 308 and 5.56. Those are the most common ones in western Europe. In the East I can't tell.
A 357 Magnum revolver can, with the aid of half-moon clips, accept just about any straight-walled 9mm caliber ammunition, whether rimmed or not, another point in favor of revolvers in severely resource constrained situations like the apocalypse
My choice for a survival gun is a drilling rifle with each barrel being for one the most common calibers types so .22lr 9mm and 12gauge One of the most important considerations in a survival situation is simplicity and ease of maintenance
One point you didn't make was considering how common your firearm choice is where you are. Obviously choosing a common and inexpensive ammo type allows you to stock up in advance and greatly increases your chances of finding more after things go bad. But this also applies to the gun. If something breaks can you find spare parts to repair it? Can you find extra magazines if it uses such? If it breaks and you can't fix it are you likely to find something else that uses the same ammo or maybe even the same magazines? As I said where also matters. 9mm Glocks might be the most common handgun in the United States but in parts of Eastern Europe Makarovs (in a different 9mm) might be more common.
Revolvers are not as susceptible to malfunction based on bad ammunition. You never need to clear a bad round from a revolver, the cylinder simply rotates to the next round.
Well unless the bad ammunition issue is the result of a primer that has backed out too much. Which results in the cylinder jamming. Then theres the potential for the bullet to work its way forward under recoil. Which will also jam the cylinder. I have also had the displeasure of a case breaking under the cylinder star which resulted in the cylinder getting stuck.
In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king - this applies to using a .22LR. If the other guy doesn't have a gun, shooting with .22 is good enough, but if they have anything better you are at a huge disadvantage. Same for muzzleloaders. If I was sure my biggest problems couldn't shoot back I might be happiest with a percussion revolver just because the only parts I'd need in large stocks are the caps - I can cast the bullets and make black powder easily enough.
Very insightful and thoughtful, brother. I really enjoyed this discussion. I was right along with you point for point the whole video. Bad ammunition is a good point to consider. Both for misfires and for a potential reason to avoid using the gun due to some reloads possibly being WAY too hot for the gun causing a catastrophic "unplanned disassembly" of the weapon. That could be a danger to the shooter in either semi auto handgun or revolvers...
9:05 another consideration is that if the majority of your guns come from people, you'll have more guns than mags. Revolvers also don't lose effectiveness over time like mags. There's also grime to consider, as cleaning them being necessary would be a disadvantage in a post-apocalyptic scenario. You said "old reliable" has been solved, but not really. The more failure points something has the less reliable it is. Revolvers have fewer failure points. Sure, ideal conditions make semi's equal or even better in some cases, but over time with fewer resources and less ideal conditions?
The best weapon is the one you have and have ammunition for The next best weapon is the one you have and can get ammunition for The next best weapon is the one you have and can make ammo for (most people don't know how to) The next best weapon is the one that doesn't need ammo
Fighters in the 1600s: why not the first and last option simultaneously? Legit though, just carrying a firearm is anxiety inducing especially in such a distressing situation. A whacking or cutting weapon would be good to have on the dominant hand and you can use the gun on your offhand
I'd honestly think a compact and reliable crossbow would be most useful, as you can manufacture your own ammo. Guns would be nice when you had a supply to shoot, but I don't think most people would be well equipped to make more if civilization broke down.
'Worse'... Well, I think a single-action revolver is about the most robust pistol I know of... and it's hell of an improvement over a pointy stick. Same goes for my single-shot .30-30.
I've never thought of this before but this video convinced me that the ability to make gunpowder would be useful in the zombie apocalypse. Most any firearm could become a muzzle loader in a pinch.
@@alexconn7473 Bolts and arrows are actually rather labor intensive to make. Especially if you want to hit something reliably more than say... 30 yards away. It may seem like a glorified stick but you need to get that stick straight and consistent before you even think about heads and fletching. Bolts can be more forgiving here often being shorter, stouter and pieces of leather glued into a slot on the shaft as fletching was a known thing. Still winter months by the fire gives a lot of time to do this.
While this topic has been done to undeath, older firearms in general have a lot to offer. My Beretta 81BB in .32 acp, for example, offers 12+1 in a roughly Glock 19 sized packaged. Hammer fired, manual safety, has minimal recoil, and doesn't suffer from the usual rimfire misfires. For people who struggle with recoil, report or muzzle flash, surplus arms from the WWs and Cold War era are amazing, and often very affordable. That being said, the vintage 1980s pepper rules are to keep 1k rounds per rifle, minimum, 500 rounds per pistol, and 250 shells per shotgun. Double that, if you're serious. Keep up your stockpile and keep your skills sharper than your blade and whatever you have will be the best option during any SHTF/TEOTWAWKI situation.
Skal, you bring up some good points in this video. I think it's important to have a variety of tools at your disposal and know how to use them. I couldn't help but notice that you kind of reset your trigger finger after every shot. Clearly this doesn't affect your technique or accuracy, but it would be better to keep your finger in position rather than resetting. If you get it just right you can ride the very edge of the trigger breaking and have faster, more accurate followup shots.
Unironically, a flintlock may be a rather useful thing to have for hunting, especially a blunderbuss, since black powder is relatively easy to make and all you need for ammo is anything you can find on the ground.
I remember being told some time ago that the best gun for a survival situation (keeping in mind that we're not dealing with supernatural issues here, just collapsed society extreme survival) is a classic spring-coil driven pneumatic pellet rifle. Propellant is just air compressed by one's own effort and ammo is lead pellets which can be several thousand to the pound or made as necessary through casting. That being said, its application would essentially be limited to a small game rifle, but for long term "survival" independent of other hazards it would be a valuable tool.
I love all of the videos of this channel but for some reason this one felt the most relaxing. Might just be because im more in my element around firearms than swords, but regardless, another great video
The only problem with a 22 pistol is Rimfire cartridges are not as reliable as Centerfire cartridges though some of them are more reliable than others it's the ammunition itself that's not reliable not necessarily the gun. In the ammunition in 22 ammunition is notoriously failure prone. Objective truth so make sure you train and can fix a malfunction quickly and you'll be okay. And yes its still a good choice for certain situations.
I think you got most right. but I would change the 20 GA to 12 GA. As If someone has a shotgun where I live. It´s a 12 GA. Maybe a .22lr rifle for some small game.
No real firearms experience but a background adjacent to material and mechanical engineering (in the logistics side). So if you spot a hole in this from your experience, say so. When the pre apocalypse ammo is almost all gone. Bullets can be cast but swaging them creates a more consistent end result. Castings can be functionally inconstant even if they look OK. Also most semi auto/self loading mechanisms can have issues working with soft lead bullets having been optimized for working with jacketed ammo. Unjacketed ammo will be not as reliable feeding. Harder materials have an issue where they often will not deform enough to grip the rifling, be too hard for rifling. There are ways round this but only if you have the right tools and dies. Gunpowder can be made (3 components, 2 are everywhere, one isn't and will be the bottle neck) but is way down on modern propellants in stored energy. So unless you can retune your semi auto to work with this lower power propellent, once reloads become the norm, manually actuated magazine/cylinder weapons (revolvers, lever actions, pump actions, bolt actions) and single shot breach loaders are going to be the order of the day. You are also going to have to... what the term... 'Kentucky windage' round the fact that the sights will no longer read true regards ranges. Yes I have put too much thought into this.
In my opinion an integrally suppressed Ruger mark IV or similar pistol is great for popping zombie heads at closer range quietly if you’ve ever played DayZ, you know what I mean. You can also (quietly) hunt small game, rabbit, squirrels, rats, etc. However, that’s only one of the weapons I would want. I would still want to have some thing that shoots 5.56 quickly to deal with living enemies. Then there’s always the Malay option, as Robin swords said in one of his earlier shorts, he thinks that short pole hammer/pole ax is best Also remember that “mission drives the gear”. you’re not gonna be bringing around a .300 WM Sniper on a scavenging mission, and you probably want more than .22 pistol on a on a long range sniping/ recon operation. Ideally, my weapons locker would contain something along the lines of: .308 bolt action (for hunting and sniping), 5.56 semi automatic rifle (AR-15 or similar), Full length (18in+) pump action, 12 gauge, 590 “Shockwave” style short, 12 gauge, Glock 19, Ruger Mark IV integrally suppressed (or equivalent), Black powder rifle, Black powder pistol, Crossbow, Bore spear, Beck de corpen (type of poleax, I don’t know how to spell it), Messer short sword, Assorted knives, bayonets, and other tools
You want 2 different models of handgun in a common, preferably the same, caliber. One will be your backup when the first one inevitably breaks until you can find replacement parts. Then you want some kind of long gun. You'll use that primarily for hunting. You _could_ use a bow, but bow hunting is actually incredible difficult and you're not hunting as a hobby anymore. You want something more reliable. As for melee weapons, if you absolutely have to have one, get something that has another practical use. I suggest an axe or a hatchet. You're likely going to need to cut something at some point and you can use them as a hammer or even a pry bar in a pinch.
I bloody knew it! Ive seen quite a few of your videos but never one you did about firearms, but I always said to myself, hes gotta like firearms too. Awsome, God bless you and your family.
I like this. Bro you mention right off the bat you aren't military or police. As a combat veteran myself I respect that, and I find it super interesting on how civilians with firearm knowledge would handle weapon management in different scenarios. Bravo video and all your advice is sound.
Hi Skall, we share the same backgroud as to shooting, I would say the biggest argument for a 22 *revolver" , rather than semiauto, is that you can fire all flavors of .22 lr you happen to find. Also, you can hunt small game with one and not disintegrate it. .38 - .357 is a good choice too, a good revolver may not be more reliable but it's generally more intrinsically accurate than a service pistol, if you have to hunt, it matters.
One advantage of revolvers is that they will fire while physically pressed against the target. With a semi-auto pistol if you press against the target you might unseat the slide, preventing a shot. Another advantage is that you avoid jams and having to re-rack your slide on a dud round.
One thing I'd like to point out about double barrels, if that's all you can access, you definitely want *ejectors* and not *extractors* because if you get in a hot sitch.. You DEFINITELY need speed on your side! Love seeing you doing some pew-pew stuff, been awhile since last time! Cheers from across the pond in southern Sweden 🇸🇪🙏
Imagine an American 180 against a zombie hoard. Its lightweight and im sure 22lr is more than enough to stop a shambling decomposing corpse, and you have 275 rounds. Of course the only problem would be ammo
Also, another thing to consider that people rarely ever bring up. You can totally load the wrong ammunition into a manual loading firearm and break/ damage it. It won’t necessarily be a 1 shot hand grenade, but with things like alloy revolvers or super hot ammunition, there are things that the unaware can do that may jeopardize the functionality of a manual loading firearm. For example, there are certain loads of .44 magnum made for carbines that can only be fired in a revolver safely from a Ruger Super Redhawk. Likewise, there is a massive 300 or 400 grain (can’t remember) .45-70 cartridge that is only recommended to be used in modern breach loading trapdoor guns (name escapes me). So yeah, something to consider as well.
6:58 that's why in some games, I like to think of single loaded or double barrel weapons as having limitless magazine. It's just the cycling is longer than other guns.
And it's Build 42 footage as well. Top marks, sir. The lighter weight of 9mm in the game has solidified it as the best for me in the past but I'm hoping for a closer race with the new changes.
Right in time for the Build 42 drop! Hope youre having fun playing it, theres lots of cool new stuff, and I cant wait to see what the modding scene does with the new systems and additions. Skyscrapers are going to be fun to mess with, as are bunkers and steam tunnels.
Skal, why do I get the feeling you wanted to go to the gun range so you decided "Hmm, what video can I make that lets me go sling some lead down range" XD Love it Skal! I wish I could bring a couple of my own guns up there with you, looks fun! Edit: When you mentioned reloading magazines, oh my GOD yes. I used to be one of the guys that hand loaded our mags during our range quals when I was in the Army. We loaded all of those BY HAND. It is indeed extremely difficult sometimes (these were 9mm rounds, as we were qualifying with M4s and the m9 handgun). We also had to load the .556 rounds for the M4s too. All I can say, is when you called Project Zomboid's loading a magazine "optimistically fast," I will 100% attest to that. Loading magazines can be a huuuge pain in the arse. I cannot imagine being forced to try and do that in the middle of a damn gunfight, just no.
Good pick on the .22LR! .22LR also suppresses well, which would also make it useful for stealthy hunting, pest control and self defence. On top of that the ammunition being light, cheap, readily available etc. Other good picks are weapons chambered in very common or typical military calibers, such as 9x19mm, 7.62 (.308) and 5.56mm (.223). These calibers aren't just ubiquitous, but also highly effective. My general pick for the apocalypse would be a suppressed .22LR automatic pistol and a .22LR revolver as backup, a .357 magnum revolver, a reliable 9mm automatic pistol (Glock or similar) .22LR suppressed rifle, 5.56 automatic rifle, 7.62 bolt action and 12 gauge pump and single shot shotguns. That should cover all the bases.
A good suggestion for a future video, since it is the holidays: Best weapons for winter. Inspiration for this suggestion is from a scene in Gladiator where a Roman soldier's sword gets stuck to its holder, and the protagonist comments how the cold can make metals stick (or something like that - I haven't seen the film in 10 years and it only came back to me in memory recently).
I'm just doing a thought experiment in my head. With that Ruger GP100, you could attach a metal plate with metal studs to the base of the grip. Then, when you run out of ammo, grab the barrel and use it like a hammer, just like they did with those flintlock pistols in the 18th century. (You might need to attach it to the metal frame for more strength, but keep some rubber on the grip for shooting)
I'd like to add that there's another benefit to going with older cartridge weapons; they can run with a significantly wider range of chamber pressures since they're manually operated. The general rule of thumb being "if it fits, it shoots" baring exceptions like extra hot rounds. However that wouldn't be much of a problem since the biggest concern is underpowered ammo not being able to cycle a weapon. So the humble .357 Magnum revolver can shoot almost any .30 caliber or 9mm ammo on the market, though the rimless 9mm may need a half moon clip to keep them in position.
Hey Skall, I hope you don't take offense if I suggest people watch the late Paul Harrell's TEOTWAWKI video. He offers a good bit of insight into that sort of thing at least as far as Americans go, but not exclusively. The benefit of a firearm that has an integral feeding system where all you need is the gun itself and the ammo is pretty attractive, but being prepared and having multiple, functioning magazines for you magazine-fed firearm and having a dump-pouch to retain the empty mags is the obvious solution.
Revolvers have some other advantages over semi-autos, including but not limited to: -A fixed barrel (as opposed to a Browning style tilting barrel system), resulting in better accuracy -Some revolvers can fire multiple calibers -Can fire more powerful calibers relative to semi-autos of the same size (there are a few exceptions) -Second strike capability (firing in single action on a hard primer that failed to fire in double action) -Will not jam in a grappling situation -Better cold weapon for close encounters
Modern .22 ammo is pretty good, but you are absolutely correct about rimfire. ( I’m a .22 collector and have been shooting them over 40years) Nice vid.
Yeah, it's cool and all to think of the apocalypse scenario where we all aren't zombies or those prop skeletal remains on the toilets, but what really counts is - armor up so when you turn you bug the sirvivors more, or hit a funny pose to make 'em chuckle while checking the stalls
6:10 I think this only makes sense in the case where you happen upon a firearm with only one magazine. For your own personal gun you are quite likely to have spare magazines. Not to mention you have to reload a revolver several times before a standard magazine has to reload once. No one reasonable would say a revolver is bad or anything, but with all factors being considered I'd trust my life to a semi auto pistol over a revolver simply because I can put out so much more firepower. If I have a pistol with 3 magazines, that's 45 shots nearly as fast as I can pull the trigger. Even if you're a hotshot with a speedloader you're going to take significantly longer to shoot that same number of rounds, that is if you happen to have 7 speedloaders ready to go, which take up way more room in your pockets than 2 extra magazines. That firepower expands the severity of situations which you can survive, which I think is the real key.
Skallagrim is talking firearms and Hickok45 is reviewing a sword, wtf timeline am I on this time?
A great one
Don't forget Wendigoon talking about cheese
Skallagrim is entering his Second Phase like Sword Saint Ashina.
Our world is upside down
@@gg-eo6ezah, so the land down unda, Straya, then.
You know five of six of Skallagrim's oldest videos here are about shooting guns, right? And in the oldest 50, maybe more than two thirds are about guns, most of the rest about knives.
One thing that would bring back the reliability argument for revolvers, would be that in apocalypse type scenario you will not have constant access to good quality ammo. If you get a dud in a double action revolver, you just squeeze the trigger again and it goes for the next round. Same with underpowered or overpowered rounds (would definitely happen in reloaded ammo), you have no slide to worry about so you can just load whatever
Excellent point.
Came to say exactly the same. With factory quality ammo the semi is better (in most cases, one handed use for example the revolver is better again).
But it definitely has a smaller margin for error than a revolver.
Right, that's something I forgot to mention. Good point indeed.
@@Skallagrim It's also an advantage for the lever rifle, pump shotgun and granddad's SMLE. Accidentally load your .303 to ¾ the "proper" power and, well, it still makes a .44 Magnum look kind of weak, and we all know how well a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, would work against zombies, right?
This reminds me of when my brother bought surplus "NATO 9mm." It was really mislabeled 9x21.
The .22 pistol is great in a post apocalyptic, as it’s a holdout weapon so you can take it into casinos
I have really high sneak skills, so I can get in with a full sized pistol.
Truth with postapocaliptic casions is the game is usually rigged from the start
While a .22 pistol would certainly be a nice and useful thing to have as long as ammo holds out, it's kind of a waste of ammo when you could have had a .22 rifle. Ammo is going to be precious, don't waste it in sub-optimal firearms.
@@wingracer1614 This is a reference to the game Fallout New Vegas where when entering casinos your weapons are taken from you except for small weapons like a .22 pistol or knife. It's implied that its easier to hide them.
@@wingracer1614One thing I don't see people mension is that a .22 is also MUCH less loud than most other firearms. While anybody reasonably close will clearly hear the gunshots, it won't carry quite so far. A niche advantage at best but I feel it's worth factoring in if you aren't trying to draw the attention of everybody for miles.
The hypothetical "who are you to talk?"-person seems to forget the more glaring issue that nobody has ever been in a zombie apocalypse. Fun's over, nobody's allowed to fantasize or prep anymore, sci-fi is also canceled.
Meh. The Sci-Fi channel hasn't been worthwhile in a very long time. No big loss there.
@@Asertix357 Sci-Fi is a genre
Nor will anybody ever be in a zombie apocalypse. That is scifi also.
@@henryfleischer404Pretty sure that was a joke...
@@henryfleischer404 In America its also the name of a TV channel.
Every firearm that is functional, AND you have access to ammunition, would be very useful.
I feel bad for the survivors who simply do not know how to shoot a gun. It isn't as if they're stuck without them, having a firearm on-hand is still useful for anyone coming across somebody who could teach them. Stealth is key in a post-apocalyptic world. If you do not know how to use a gun, put points into skills which suit your situation better.
@@Neiot heh seven kings "the stand" gives a chapter to the poor souls who are just not that bright who survive the apocalypse. statistically speaking 30% loss due to simple accident is expected.
no shit?
Don’t forget knowing how to use/ maintain the firearm you have, part of that is knowing how to handle the recoil of the firearm of choice
No shit!
Based on what I experienced with the massive ammo shortages in Alaska in the 2010's, the common ammo becomes so expensive nobody wants to waste any of it. 5.56, .308, 9mm, .45 ACP, etc. were absurdly pricey or just GONE. Reloading components esp. primers went way up in price. So hoarding developed quickly. For post-apocalypse, that means if people THINK you have ammo, you are both powerful and a target. Firearm carrying becomes a kind of poker game, where opponents have to figure out if you really have ammo or not. You want them to think you have just enough to end them, and no more. In an all-out shooting war in that environment, there would be scavengers running between the opposing armies stealing brass. Heck, we've had them at ranges and it's not even the post-apocalypse yet LOL
Reminds me a bit of Mad Max now that I think about it.
The prices went up because people started hoarding
@@TheWizardboy5 Yeah I remember that, it was crazy!
@@shawnwolf5961 every time a democrat gets elected there's a big scare about guns and people buy em and all the ammo up. Seems like a market tactic given how many times its happened now
melee weapons could become really useful, as you'd want to save ammo for when you absolutely need it.
The amount of Maintanence required would definately change what is better , what is worse.
I agree.
Meaning the best weapons once again would be Big Stick™
Fair fair
You'd want to learn how to make your own lubricants and solvents, for sure.
A break barrel shotgun would probably do best here… not the best for defense but perfect for hunting in the post apocalyptic wasteland.
I think the big question is: how many years are we into the apocalypse? It’s heavily going to impact the types of ammo available. By the time we reach post-apocalypse, there likely wouldn’t be many shells around to use (they’d have been used or eroded away), but you might have the industry needed to make rudimentary gunpowder, at which point flintlocks and blunderbusses become the best firearms. Also: bows and. crossbows. Don’t forget those, especially for hunting and skirmishes.
Excellent question.
I'd think ammo concerns become an issue almost immediately, as anyone that has it will horde it. If you didn't have immediate access to ammo, you likely aren't going to get more without a windfall, and you likely won't have the means to make more. Bows and crossbows being able to use any sticks as improvised ammo makes them way more useful, along with the lack of noise.
Oh man I really need a viedo game where it's post-post zombie apocalypse (after the usual bows) like that
Tbh, I've never made a gun, I don't have a clue about chemistry, and machining is still outside of my grasp, but I *am* an HVAC technician, so I know compressed fluids, combustion appliances, and electrical appliances and everything that goes into them. If the zombie apocalypse really did happen, I think you'd see a lot more coilguns and saw/Indiana-Jones traps around, as well as doors with puzzles to only allow humans into places.
@@TheEmperorGulcasashepherd’s sling would also absolutely slap in the post-apocalypse, especially since we know you can be trained at it from a young age + any rock is your ammo. You can also use it to launch Molotov cocktails if you’re lucky enough to find ingredients for that
Don't let the rabble get you roused. You're a great content creator. I've been watching since 2017.
2013 here. Guy's a legend, and one of few worth the loyalty
@@johntheidiot9046 you oldie big oldie
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Yeah, there's a huge part of the sword community that's either heavily "anti-woke," or just not a reliable source, and Skall has shown himself to be neither.
A reputable source and a decent human.
Yeah been a viewer since like 2014. He's grown a lot as a person (as have I) and that's something that I appreciate a lot. Not being a chud is also a huge plus over a majority of the "weapon enthusiasts" community
@@ElliWoelfin Yeh. First saw a video from him by the end of 2013, then got into his stuff in 2014.
The thing most people skip over about zombie scenarios where the zombies are attracted to sounds is that it would be stupid easy for any halfway organized group to virtually eliminate the local zombie threat using bells, chimes, children's toys, or battery powered speakers.
Zombies could be baited into a builing or pit trap soaked with gasoline. Then a torch or flare could be sent in.
A rag-tag group of survivors working with the remaining military presence could use clearly marked minefields and razor wire to create safe zones for mobile mortar and howitzer crews to whittle down any significant horde of zeds that start to approach settlement zones.
And they wouldn't even have to be well trained artillery crews, since they wouldn't have to worry about couner-battery fire or even adjusting their aim. The zombies will just flow to wherever the rounds are landing. And one they move on, if a group of zombies later makes their way to the area, they will set off a mine, which just attracts more zombies. Likewise a zombie cought in the razorwire will rattle around and draw in more zombies that will get caught.
Not to mention that as long as any aircraft are still operational they could use cast metal and buckets to dump cheap flechettes onto a horde, if they run out of bombs to drop or they have to resort to using civilian aircraft.
And the military would be able to create walled bases and settlements usin hesco or shipping containers filled with sand, because there just isn't going to be enough zombies in large numbers to scale the walls en masse without being taken out by guards with crossbows or suppressed .22 rifles.
Excellent!! Like man made tar pits.
That's incredibly ingenious to the point it seems almost obvious now that I read it. Something to consider to my zombie apocalypse setting.
World War Z (the book, not the movie)
@@ZelphTheWebmancer If you're writing a story set in a zombie apocalypse, you should also consider that even if zombies don't need to breathe or circulate blood, they still depend on intact bone structure. So fast zombies will be uninjured zombies and slow zombies will be injured ones. The longer a zombie has been around, the more likely it is to have broken something.
A related consideration is that police and military personnel have long understood that the best way to ensure some kind of hit on an adversary darting quickly from one piece of cover or concealment is to pepper them with a shotgun. The shorter the magazine tube the better, since it makes the gun easier to swing around. Just a single or double barrel shotgun works best for hunting tiny birds and small game, for example. It's also noteworthy that these are some of the cheapest and most common guns in pawnshops across north america, they are even cheaper and more common in other western countries, and resistance groups in WWII cobled single shot shotguns out of spare materials.
So from the perspective of a national guard commander training survivors off the street, the best way to utilize a fresh recruit would be giving them a single shot 12 Guage so they can turn fast zombies into slow zombies. The next best way is to use broomsticks or really anything to staffslings that can silently toss live grenades, air soft grenades, or improvised grenades (which could be anything like a rock, a soda can with a couple pebbles in it, a squeaky toy, a black powder grenade, or even a lady's personal toy) to cripple or distract slow zombies.
zombies aren't that scary.
Before I finish watching, I want to say the title immediately made me think of _Red Dead Redemption: Undead Nightmare._ One of the game's weapons is a blunderbuss, which was already outdated at the time the game is set, but its selling point (other than its ability to hit multiple enemies with one shot) is the notion that it can use about anything as ammo; in-game, this translates into using the remains of zombies to craft the ammunition.
That sounds downright badass. Imagine using the teeth of your enemies as ammunition against their equally aggressive friends.
Taking that further, a crossbow doesn't need a supply of black powder. So, a good crossbow that can take a slight variance in ammo means you can just make your own supply. They are probably easier to repair than a damaged gun also.
@@Neiot you can actually do this with a blunderbuss! It'll fire just about anything you can shove down the barrel, so long as there isn't too much friction/mass. You can literally just use grass as wadding if you're using loose shot that might scratch the barrel (like teeth) (don't take this as actual advice, do your own research. You are responsible for your own safety)
@@TheEmperorGulcasa the sulfur would definitely be a limiting factor. You could go from banging rocks together to a working compound crossbow about as fast as a crude flintlock, but unless you're a really good chemist, even I'd probably stick with the stick-yeeter.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa If we're going with primitive weapons, you can make single shot guns that can handle low pressure ammo out of a pipe. In a post apocalypse guns would be superior where noise doesn't matter.
I think having a suppressor for your firearm is also important because you'd want to take precautions to protect your hearing. In an apocalypse scenario, having strong hearing senses improves your situational awareness.
I don't know if many revolvers that you can add suppressors to.
This is an excellent point, I would also opt for a silencer/suppressor. Intact eardrums are important. Provided you can even find one ... one which fits your exact weapon.
Good point!
Only very purpose built ones like the nagant, and I think they require special ammo too.
Silencers don't silence the gun, only mitigate some of the sound. Shooting most calibers likely would still damage hearing outside of some pistol calibers from a carbine.
@@TheInsomniaddict
I know that Silencers don't silence the gun, but not having any sort of sound suppression on a gun, AND not having hearing protection, will seriously damage a person's hearing over time.
In an apocalypse scenario, I don't think it would be ideal to constantly have hearing protection on since that could limit listening for attackers sneaking up on you.
So, having some kind of suppressor on your gun would be much better since you can quickly pull out your firearm in an emergency and not have to worry too much about damaging your hearing.
The gun is still going to be loud, but a suppressed gun is still better for your ear drums than no suppressor.
Thats what i like about shotguns for an apocalypse fantasy. You can reload shells with pretty much anything thats hard. BBs, nuts, washers, loose change. Not as effective as properly loaded Buckshot or Slugs, but it'll work in a pinch. Plus you dont have to worry about the precise pressures and tolerances of rifle/pistol ammo. Its a blunderbuss.
Those things will damage the gun though, even the blunderbuss wasn't often shot with random stuff because the damage to the barrel can cause it to explode or otherwise catastrophically malfunction.
Potentially not for very long though. Hard, abrasive material could wear or even damage the bore.
@@Skallagrim That's why you stuff it all into a sock that shrank in the wash first, right?
@@blackdragon5274 pirates used random junk in their cannons at close range and they wrapped it with rags and ropes to prevent the barrel damage. A plastic sleeve can be used for this purpose in 12ga.
@@Skallagrim copper is much softer than steel of the barrel. imagine cut parts of copper pipes or copper coins fired from Mossberg.
.22 sounds like nothing until it is popping off at you.
When my uncle was teaching me how to shoot, and was letting me try some of his guns, he let me try a .22 pump-action rifle. He snuck in a couple of pistol rounds with the LR while he was loading it, and I couldn't tell if it had even gone off through my hearing protectors when I got to the pistol rounds. .22LR out of a rifle is barely a whip crack, .22pistol out of a rifle doesn't even need a suppressor.
Heck, a bb gun is nothing until it hits you in the eye.
@@kevingluys3063 ^^ seasonally appropriate reference ^^
With a 22 pistol most people would not hit anything beyond 10 meters. Especially moving targets
@@cheften2mk Do you know the marksmenship ability of your oponents?
In a resource constrained situation, your answer to the question of which weapons you want to use is probably going to be, "yes".
A blunderbuss loaded with gravel and the wadding is a coffee filter? Yes
I like that you addressed the idea of magazines, because something I think about in this sort of scenario that is a huge advantage with revolvers and other guns that have an integrated magazine is how with those guns all you need to find is the gun itself and bullets. But any gun with a removable magazine, there is a chance that you find the gun, bullets, and no magazine. And at that point its almost worthless. Or you find one magazine and then the convenience of being magazine fed is only convenient insofar as the higher capacity, but then if you empty the mag, youre kinda screwed if there is anyone or anything left to return fire.
Mags can also be bent or cracked (if polymer). It's one reason to consider clip-fed instead as they often can be reloaded by hand.
It's a highly unlikely scenario to find a gun and ammo but no magazines at all unless it's something exotic. In case of any scenario that includes mass usage of firearms there would be plenty of empty stanag and AK magazines dumped by their owners, too occupied or too dead to pick them up. Ammo is a much bigger problem.
@@PalassCat finding magazines can still be an issue especially in countries where guns are less common; having just one magazine for your pistol and manually reloading the mag every time you empty the gun makes a revolver definitely attractive
Ah yes, you play Dayz don't you?
Most mag fed semi auto firearms can still be fired without a magazine, you'd just have to load the chamber manually after each shot. It's hardly ideal but still better than having nothing at all.
Very interesting arguments indeed! I'd like to add to this discussion that, in a post-apocalypse scenario with (probably) no reliable supply of smokeless powder, many people would likely turn to alternatives that are easier to produce/ procure like black powder. In that case, semi-automatic weapons would become far more unreliable because black powder tends to foul not only the barrel but also the gas systems that would cycle the next round. Consequently, your ol' reliable revolvers and repeating weapons would likely see much wider use, while semi-automatic firearms would be reserved for those with a steady supply of smokeless powder.
Bows, being significantly more quiet, is another ranged weapon that becomes surprisingly good as well, being able to potentially re-use ammo is another big plus
Does take up a lot more room though 😅
Love these sorts of topics, great video!
ok but in reality are you gunna carry around used arrows with zombie brain matter and rot juice on them?
The only problem I see is the fact that the arrows can still break. My dad is a bow hunter and has shattered many arrows while practicing and hunting. Granted you can make arrows but you need nice straight pieces of wood to make them fly straight. It’s certainly possible and easier than hunting down the powder to reload but isn’t as easy as most think. Then there is the penetration issue, if someone is wearing any kind of armor, homemade or legit, arrows out of anything but a heavy pull compound aren’t going to do much if anything even then if it is steal armor it isn’t going through.
So some pros to bows or crossbows is that broadheads will go through soft body armor rated for pistol calibers, can punch through sand bag fortifications, and can be used with a degree of silence (and lack of muzzle flash) surpassing everything but a kitted out 22. Make something like a Comanche shortbow and youve got a whole system that fits into a compact tub when its unstrung. Easy to add as a utility option to a pack or kit.
@@torreyjones4421 you dont want a broadhead for zombies. much harder to pull it back out
I’ve watched you since you worked in a knife shop, first video was the Riddick knives, go figure. Never give up, you may think revisiting old topics may not be viable but remember a lot of your new subscribers won’t go back and watch videos past 3 years usually. We love you.❤
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Rule of cool factor makes the zombies respect you when they see you using a revolver.
Provided the zombies have eyes still in their sockets.
And you have to hold the revolver high and aim down lol…….
repair is the main question. The simpler something is, the better it is for the apocalypse. parts wear out. and the availability of ammunition is important. The rest is up to everyone to find out for themselves which weapons are still left.
Logic and rationality are the best guides
Let's get discklocks, flintlocks and machlocks.
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Just some of my thoughts - From an american midwestern perspective, finding firearms in this sort of scenario isn't a problem in any way. Basically every other household has a few.
You wouldn't be doing much in the way of repairing them either. Even if you have access to a machine shop, most people don't know how to use it, and those that do know they don't really have the specs for any particular part you might need to replace. You can't just order spare parts either. Realistically, we would just stick to the common weapons and cannibalize them for spare parts. Or, just swap the whole thing.
The real question is ammunition and the answer to that *really* depends. In most zom scenarios I have seen, things fall apart very quickly. Hours or days, not weeks or months. If it's one of those situations where it happens overnight, I can basically guarantee that any of the dozens of active, guard, and reserve military facilities around here have many thousands of 5.56, 7.62, and 9mm rounds. Plenty of mixed calibers in the houses too.
songle shot rifle or pistol
Something like a Chassepot rifle would be good. Since it uses paper cartridges and black powder. Both of those things can be made easily enough.
It depends entirely upon your definition of “good” and “worse.”
The “best” firearm for the post apocalypse is the one that is in a common caliber, isn’t finicky about the ammo you feed it, and requires little maintenance.
I have a feeling that even here in Canada acquiring guns won’t be a problem. Ammo will be a problem. Cleaning fluid will be a problem. Lubricant will be a problem. Spare parts will be a problem.
I heard in the past with muskets they used olive-oil as a lube & protectant, not sure how well that would work with modern firearms...🤔
@ The tolerances on modern firearms are tighter and they generate more heat. Also, far more moving parts.
Imho "make the best of it & use what ya got" is going to be the motto of the day most of the time.
Reminded me of Joel Miller from Lisa The Pointless. He carries a gun with one bullet, and his entire moveset (in the context of an RPG) is threatening, taunting and flashing with his gun.
Assuming you have access to reloading equipment. I think shotguns would be a great choice in post-apocalyptia. You can load shells with all sorts of different projectiles giving you more options.
My go-to apocalypse gun would actually be a blackpowder revolver. Ammunition can be rationed and balanced to a finer degree, and you can carry blackpowder ammunition in much higher quantities.
But, given the firearms and ammunition i already own im really not worried about shortages in ammo. A lot of people act like we are gonna be in gunfights all the time lol depending on the type of zombies i may elect to not even use a firearm at all. A sharp stick works really well, doesnt spend ammo, doesnt make noise. Unless we are talking about the zombie vampire hybrids in some games there likely is no immediate need to shoot anything except people who might want to hurt you. I would, of course, carry guns regardless, as I do now anyway, but for slower, weaker, dumber threats a sword or stick would be just fine
And If need be you could make your own black powder and cast bullets from scrounged lead
@weswolever7477 exactly. Its not that hard to do, and makes for a good campfire chore, too. Casting bullets from slag is easy to do, and dyes are readily available
I like the flexibility of the revolver not requiring the rounds energy to work the action. I load .38's from wimpy 148gr wad cutters to fire breathing hot .357's in the same revolver.
Also in case of a misfire: The difference in time to resolve the problem "no hole in target" can be decisive!
Very good vid man! I want to hear more about guns from you. Your trademark methodical explanations work really good with the retention beats that firearms provide ❤
Love the ruger revolvers, especially the security six snd the GP-100. This would depend on where you live but having a quiet .22 rifle with a can on it would be amazing for a lot of situations when you are trying to stay low and out of sight. Another good video Skall.
Loved seein a firearm video from you, it's been awhile. Definitely some food for thought, and it makes me feel a bit more satisfied in owning a humble 22 henry
No. In post-apocalyptic setting availability of ammo for a gun would be a crucial factor, so anything more exotic than 9mm or ubiquitous .45 caliber is going to be ditched first.
Along with non-7.62x39 in places not the US and 556 in US
Break out the flintlock
@Leonix13 potato cannon, but loaded with hard projectile (ball bearings or something like that) would be an ideal hunting/survival tool. It can work on most volatile combustible fuels, from butane gas to acetone/alcohol/ether.
I feel like in a post-apocalyptic setting, there will inevitably be scenarios where ammunition stores will be destroyed or rendered useless to prevent other survivors from getting a leg up on you. You are shooting (hurhur) yourself in the foot by doing this, but there are crazy people willing to do that.
@@quint3ssent1a do you have any idea how hard it would be to hit something with that? You would be far better off making a bow or a sling
If I lived in Canada like Skall. My go-tos would be big bore firearms, because of the magazine capacity laws. My Canadian choices would be a rifle in 45-70, 12 gauge pump, and a revolver in 357. Although since I live in America my choices are different.
Revolvers are illegal to buy in Canada...
...for now...
@@FinalLugiaGuardian That's right I forgot. Isn't it that if you had one before the law changed you can still hold on to it? I feel so bad for my maple leaf brothers and sisters...
@@apocalyption5490 If you had it before the ban took effect then yes you can keep it for the rest of your life. But all transfers are now legally prohibited (even within family).
Thus, if you pass away before Pierre Poilievre repeals Justin Trudeau's ban, the RCMP will come to your grieving familiy's house and confiscate it with ZERO financial compensation to your family.
They're not illegal, it's just there is a freeze on the sale. So everyone who has handguns is still legally owning them, they just can't sell them or buy new ones.
357 is a good choice, and it's actually a decent option for a carbine or lever action as well. That said I'd think that 9mm is still more common in Canada if you're looking at it from a scavenging perspective. 308 or 270 I think would be more common in Canada as well for rifle calibers. Outside of that, 223 is pretty common as well.
Military or "Law"Enforcement" "service" is not a precursor to being proficient at the use of a firearm.
Indeed.
@@Skallagrim did you get inspirieren by my comment under the last Video or did you just have the same thought?
Plenty of ranges have staff that are hobbyists in target practice. Their knowledge is just as valid. One different is that they've not been trained specifically shoot-to-kill (not that hobbyists don't learn on their own) and conditioned into a willing-to-kill mentality.
@@LannyX2 we can see that in the cop that almost killed the guy over an acorn falling
@Neiot If you draw down on a threat and do not act you will most likely be either killed or run through the tyrannical court system for brandishing a firearm or such other " legal nonsense". "If you pull it you better be willing to use it". I learned from 2 sources, my father that was drafted into war and my uncle who was a shooting/hunting/2nd Amendment advocate...they had the same thoughts and opinions on the righteous use of firearms.
Reloading a cylinder on fly is definitely easier than it would be a magazine.
At least with the magazine the gun isn't attached to what you are having to hold. I wonder if they make magazines that are better to hold and load as opposed to being expected to never be reloaded while in action.
I think you'd find people using muzzle loaders in a post apocalypse lots... mainly because you don't need guns that often for survival aside from maybe hunting, but the key factor is, it's REALLY EASY to get more ammo and powder for a muzzle loader, compared to modern firearms. There might be some contemporary counterparts for blackpowder reusable casings for shotguns.
I mean, bad gun is better than no gun.
Imagine being trapped in an apocalypse scenario with black powder weapons!
Holsters and straps galore.
I don't really wanna deal with bad guns backfiring in my face. I've got enough problems.
@@felixramirez9920 Pouches, many pouches.
@@Neiot True but a gun despite it’s practicality is a great way to get out of situations especially if people don’t know of it’s loaded or not.
@@AgeofGuns I can accept that reasoning.
I carried 6 magazines of 5.56 Nato and one in the rifle in Afghanistan and I was the medic. You go through it so fast.
We carried double that and it’s still went way faster than you would think 😅
suppressive fire to achieve fire superiority chews through your ammo ım guessing.
@@noobguy9973 yeah, in military operations there is a lot of suppressive fire usage. Obviously that isnt a privilege you have most of the time in apocalyptic scenarios.
A post apocalypse scenario will likely send most people back to usong manual action weapons once machined weapons are no longer available or become rare for parts. A slame action shotgun for example wouldn't take much to create.
Gunpowder, or in this case black powder, would probably cause more problems at least for semi-automatics then it would manuals. There be a need for more maintenance.
Black powder would foul a semi pretty quick. Revolver not so much as long as it's regularly cleaned.
Love the video. Importantly, you touch on it very briefly but the factor of what you are carrying and how much else you have is extremely important. In a survival situation, you have a lot of items you need to carry and a lot less space to carry it than people think. Water, food, shelter. A tent, some way to carry water reliably, and something to carry food are high priority. As much as I love a good rifle or shotgun, the length can become inhibiting. A small firearm is superior for its lower weight, ease of carry, and can carry more rounds. Combined with the need for reliability and maintenance needs for firearms, you want something super reliable and easy to care for. A good revolver is just flat out the most practical, preferably smaller caliber to carry more rounds. Then, for power when needed, a double barrel shotgun with the barrel and stock sawn off for ease of carry. Yes, it's a pain to shoot. But it would be an emergency weapon.
In fact, both should be emergency weapons. A firearm should never be your primary weapon during an apocalypse. Revealing your location to other, desperate survivors could be a death sentence. The greatest way to win a fight is to never engage with it in the first place. Every fight you avoid is a fight won and survived. And survival is the goal. So avoid fights, avoid using that gun as much as you can. It's only there to save your life.
"We all have [lived through a global pandemic], well... not all..." was unexpectedly sad.
8:12 Dude that haircut and beard combo was awesome!
If you live in Europe, the go to calibers whould be 9mm, 38 special, 12 gauge, 30-06, 308 and 5.56. Those are the most common ones in western Europe. In the East I can't tell.
In the East, I'm going to guess AK and Makarov stuff.
I have no idea, just having fun with the thought experiment.
Pretty much the same, as far as I know, with the addition of 556.
A 357 Magnum revolver can, with the aid of half-moon clips, accept just about any straight-walled 9mm caliber ammunition, whether rimmed or not, another point in favor of revolvers in severely resource constrained situations like the apocalypse
My choice for a survival gun is a drilling rifle with each barrel being for one the most common calibers types so .22lr 9mm and 12gauge
One of the most important considerations in a survival situation is simplicity and ease of maintenance
agreed, semi autos are fine until you need to replace a piece or clean it (correctly).
also if it takes more than six shots to defend yourself you are screwed in so many other ways that 6 extra shots will do nothing for you.
@@johannestetzelivonrosador7317 a single shot 12 gauge with those barrel attachments would be good
One point you didn't make was considering how common your firearm choice is where you are. Obviously choosing a common and inexpensive ammo type allows you to stock up in advance and greatly increases your chances of finding more after things go bad. But this also applies to the gun. If something breaks can you find spare parts to repair it? Can you find extra magazines if it uses such? If it breaks and you can't fix it are you likely to find something else that uses the same ammo or maybe even the same magazines?
As I said where also matters. 9mm Glocks might be the most common handgun in the United States but in parts of Eastern Europe Makarovs (in a different 9mm) might be more common.
Revolvers are not as susceptible to malfunction based on bad ammunition. You never need to clear a bad round from a revolver, the cylinder simply rotates to the next round.
Well unless the bad ammunition issue is the result of a primer that has backed out too much. Which results in the cylinder jamming.
Then theres the potential for the bullet to work its way forward under recoil. Which will also jam the cylinder.
I have also had the displeasure of a case breaking under the cylinder star which resulted in the cylinder getting stuck.
Barel alignment
One of those overly used, over-simplified half truths used to dismiss a whole lot of more complicated issues.
Not /as/ susceptible, but still susceptible to an extent.
"You never need to clear a bad round from a revolver"
You're going to blow your hand off if you ever get a squib load.
In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king - this applies to using a .22LR. If the other guy doesn't have a gun, shooting with .22 is good enough, but if they have anything better you are at a huge disadvantage. Same for muzzleloaders. If I was sure my biggest problems couldn't shoot back I might be happiest with a percussion revolver just because the only parts I'd need in large stocks are the caps - I can cast the bullets and make black powder easily enough.
Post apocalypse firearms.
22LR pistol
9mm cabin
12GA shotgun
In Eastern block - Makarov (sits ideally between 22 and 9mm)
WHAt is this? A cabin for ANtS?
Very insightful and thoughtful, brother. I really enjoyed this discussion. I was right along with you point for point the whole video.
Bad ammunition is a good point to consider. Both for misfires and for a potential reason to avoid using the gun due to some reloads possibly being WAY too hot for the gun causing a catastrophic "unplanned disassembly" of the weapon. That could be a danger to the shooter in either semi auto handgun or revolvers...
9:05 another consideration is that if the majority of your guns come from people, you'll have more guns than mags. Revolvers also don't lose effectiveness over time like mags. There's also grime to consider, as cleaning them being necessary would be a disadvantage in a post-apocalyptic scenario.
You said "old reliable" has been solved, but not really. The more failure points something has the less reliable it is. Revolvers have fewer failure points. Sure, ideal conditions make semi's equal or even better in some cases, but over time with fewer resources and less ideal conditions?
Mags don't loose spring tension over time. They've done studies and mags loaded for years are still good.
The ultimate post-apocalypse survival weapon: a home made long bow. Silent, deadly, replace as often as needed.
The best weapon is the one you have and have ammunition for
The next best weapon is the one you have and can get ammunition for
The next best weapon is the one you have and can make ammo for (most people don't know how to)
The next best weapon is the one that doesn't need ammo
Fighters in the 1600s: why not the first and last option simultaneously?
Legit though, just carrying a firearm is anxiety inducing especially in such a distressing situation. A whacking or cutting weapon would be good to have on the dominant hand and you can use the gun on your offhand
Alternatively, the best weapon is the one you have on you at the moment.
I'd honestly think a compact and reliable crossbow would be most useful, as you can manufacture your own ammo. Guns would be nice when you had a supply to shoot, but I don't think most people would be well equipped to make more if civilization broke down.
'Worse'... Well, I think a single-action revolver is about the most robust pistol I know of... and it's hell of an improvement over a pointy stick. Same goes for my single-shot .30-30.
I've never thought of this before but this video convinced me that the ability to make gunpowder would be useful in the zombie apocalypse. Most any firearm could become a muzzle loader in a pinch.
Any pipe can become a muzzle loader in a pinch. You'd just need to make sure to use a low-pressure load and only use it once or twice.
I think a bow and crossbow its the way in a late post-apocalypse.
Agreed and for so many reasons mainly reusable ammo that can easily be replaced when broken or lost
@@alexconn7473 Bolts and arrows are actually rather labor intensive to make. Especially if you want to hit something reliably more than say... 30 yards away. It may seem like a glorified stick but you need to get that stick straight and consistent before you even think about heads and fletching. Bolts can be more forgiving here often being shorter, stouter and pieces of leather glued into a slot on the shaft as fletching was a known thing. Still winter months by the fire gives a lot of time to do this.
While this topic has been done to undeath, older firearms in general have a lot to offer. My Beretta 81BB in .32 acp, for example, offers 12+1 in a roughly Glock 19 sized packaged. Hammer fired, manual safety, has minimal recoil, and doesn't suffer from the usual rimfire misfires. For people who struggle with recoil, report or muzzle flash, surplus arms from the WWs and Cold War era are amazing, and often very affordable.
That being said, the vintage 1980s pepper rules are to keep 1k rounds per rifle, minimum, 500 rounds per pistol, and 250 shells per shotgun. Double that, if you're serious. Keep up your stockpile and keep your skills sharper than your blade and whatever you have will be the best option during any SHTF/TEOTWAWKI situation.
Skal, you bring up some good points in this video. I think it's important to have a variety of tools at your disposal and know how to use them. I couldn't help but notice that you kind of reset your trigger finger after every shot. Clearly this doesn't affect your technique or accuracy, but it would be better to keep your finger in position rather than resetting. If you get it just right you can ride the very edge of the trigger breaking and have faster, more accurate followup shots.
You're right, I got rusty. Used to have more precise trigger control.
@Skallagrim happens to the best of us.
Glad to see that you are also knowledgeable about guns too Skall!
Happy Yule to you and yours!
Me a welder, with a Home Depot in my area. Trust me, I'm an engineer.
Unironically, a flintlock may be a rather useful thing to have for hunting, especially a blunderbuss, since black powder is relatively easy to make and all you need for ammo is anything you can find on the ground.
Wait... now everybody is doing daily uploads???
blame youtube and the algorithm
Older channels are getting throttled by RUclips.
Project Zomboid footage... with the aiming reticule from the unstable b42. Why am I not surprised that skallagrim plays it?
Guns and zombies - two topics I don't care about very much, but this is Skalls video, so I know I'll enjoy it :-D
I remember being told some time ago that the best gun for a survival situation (keeping in mind that we're not dealing with supernatural issues here, just collapsed society extreme survival) is a classic spring-coil driven pneumatic pellet rifle. Propellant is just air compressed by one's own effort and ammo is lead pellets which can be several thousand to the pound or made as necessary through casting. That being said, its application would essentially be limited to a small game rifle, but for long term "survival" independent of other hazards it would be a valuable tool.
I love all of the videos of this channel but for some reason this one felt the most relaxing. Might just be because im more in my element around firearms than swords, but regardless, another great video
The only problem with a 22 pistol is Rimfire cartridges are not as reliable as Centerfire cartridges though some of them are more reliable than others it's the ammunition itself that's not reliable not necessarily the gun. In the ammunition in 22 ammunition is notoriously failure prone. Objective truth so make sure you train and can fix a malfunction quickly and you'll be okay.
And yes its still a good choice for certain situations.
9mm pistol, 5.56 AR, 308 rifle, 20 GA shotgun.
I think you got most right. but I would change the 20 GA to 12 GA. As If someone has a shotgun where I live. It´s a 12 GA. Maybe a .22lr rifle for some small game.
No real firearms experience but a background adjacent to material and mechanical engineering (in the logistics side). So if you spot a hole in this from your experience, say so.
When the pre apocalypse ammo is almost all gone.
Bullets can be cast but swaging them creates a more consistent end result. Castings can be functionally inconstant even if they look OK.
Also most semi auto/self loading mechanisms can have issues working with soft lead bullets having been optimized for working with jacketed ammo. Unjacketed ammo will be not as reliable feeding. Harder materials have an issue where they often will not deform enough to grip the rifling, be too hard for rifling. There are ways round this but only if you have the right tools and dies.
Gunpowder can be made (3 components, 2 are everywhere, one isn't and will be the bottle neck) but is way down on modern propellants in stored energy. So unless you can retune your semi auto to work with this lower power propellent, once reloads become the norm, manually actuated magazine/cylinder weapons (revolvers, lever actions, pump actions, bolt actions) and single shot breach loaders are going to be the order of the day. You are also going to have to... what the term... 'Kentucky windage' round the fact that the sights will no longer read true regards ranges.
Yes I have put too much thought into this.
Haven't seen your vids in a great while. Great to see you again.
In my opinion an integrally suppressed Ruger mark IV or similar pistol is great for popping zombie heads at closer range quietly if you’ve ever played DayZ, you know what I mean. You can also (quietly) hunt small game, rabbit, squirrels, rats, etc.
However, that’s only one of the weapons I would want. I would still want to have some thing that shoots 5.56 quickly to deal with living enemies.
Then there’s always the Malay option, as Robin swords said in one of his earlier shorts, he thinks that short pole hammer/pole ax is best
Also remember that “mission drives the gear”. you’re not gonna be bringing around a .300 WM Sniper on a scavenging mission, and you probably want more than .22 pistol on a on a long range sniping/ recon operation.
Ideally, my weapons locker would contain something along the lines of:
.308 bolt action (for hunting and sniping),
5.56 semi automatic rifle (AR-15 or similar),
Full length (18in+) pump action, 12 gauge,
590 “Shockwave” style short, 12 gauge,
Glock 19,
Ruger Mark IV integrally suppressed (or equivalent),
Black powder rifle,
Black powder pistol,
Crossbow,
Bore spear,
Beck de corpen (type of poleax, I don’t know how to spell it),
Messer short sword,
Assorted knives, bayonets, and other tools
You want 2 different models of handgun in a common, preferably the same, caliber. One will be your backup when the first one inevitably breaks until you can find replacement parts. Then you want some kind of long gun. You'll use that primarily for hunting. You _could_ use a bow, but bow hunting is actually incredible difficult and you're not hunting as a hobby anymore. You want something more reliable. As for melee weapons, if you absolutely have to have one, get something that has another practical use. I suggest an axe or a hatchet. You're likely going to need to cut something at some point and you can use them as a hammer or even a pry bar in a pinch.
I bloody knew it! Ive seen quite a few of your videos but never one you did about firearms, but I always said to myself, hes gotta like firearms too. Awsome, God bless you and your family.
Really great to see more firearm content, also like ve this topic, few friends drinks aand smokes and these questions keep us occupied for hours
I like this. Bro you mention right off the bat you aren't military or police. As a combat veteran myself I respect that, and I find it super interesting on how civilians with firearm knowledge would handle weapon management in different scenarios. Bravo video and all your advice is sound.
Hi Skall, we share the same backgroud as to shooting, I would say the biggest argument for a 22 *revolver" , rather than semiauto, is that you can fire all flavors of .22 lr you happen to find. Also, you can hunt small game with one and not disintegrate it. .38 - .357 is a good choice too, a good revolver may not be more reliable but it's generally more intrinsically accurate than a service pistol, if you have to hunt, it matters.
i never get over how sexy the m9 is in action
One advantage of revolvers is that they will fire while physically pressed against the target. With a semi-auto pistol if you press against the target you might unseat the slide, preventing a shot. Another advantage is that you avoid jams and having to re-rack your slide on a dud round.
One thing I'd like to point out about double barrels, if that's all you can access, you definitely want *ejectors* and not *extractors* because if you get in a hot sitch..
You DEFINITELY need speed on your side!
Love seeing you doing some pew-pew stuff, been awhile since last time!
Cheers from across the pond in southern Sweden 🇸🇪🙏
Imagine an American 180 against a zombie hoard. Its lightweight and im sure 22lr is more than enough to stop a shambling decomposing corpse, and you have 275 rounds. Of course the only problem would be ammo
Also, another thing to consider that people rarely ever bring up. You can totally load the wrong ammunition into a manual loading firearm and break/ damage it.
It won’t necessarily be a 1 shot hand grenade, but with things like alloy revolvers or super hot ammunition, there are things that the unaware can do that may jeopardize the functionality of a manual loading firearm. For example, there are certain loads of .44 magnum made for carbines that can only be fired in a revolver safely from a Ruger Super Redhawk. Likewise, there is a massive 300 or 400 grain (can’t remember) .45-70 cartridge that is only recommended to be used in modern breach loading trapdoor guns (name escapes me). So yeah, something to consider as well.
6:58 that's why in some games, I like to think of single loaded or double barrel weapons as having limitless magazine. It's just the cycling is longer than other guns.
Good job bud, no one can disrespect your your respect for the safety.
And it's Build 42 footage as well. Top marks, sir. The lighter weight of 9mm in the game has solidified it as the best for me in the past but I'm hoping for a closer race with the new changes.
Right in time for the Build 42 drop! Hope youre having fun playing it, theres lots of cool new stuff, and I cant wait to see what the modding scene does with the new systems and additions. Skyscrapers are going to be fun to mess with, as are bunkers and steam tunnels.
Skal, why do I get the feeling you wanted to go to the gun range so you decided "Hmm, what video can I make that lets me go sling some lead down range" XD
Love it Skal! I wish I could bring a couple of my own guns up there with you, looks fun!
Edit: When you mentioned reloading magazines, oh my GOD yes. I used to be one of the guys that hand loaded our mags during our range quals when I was in the Army. We loaded all of those BY HAND. It is indeed extremely difficult sometimes (these were 9mm rounds, as we were qualifying with M4s and the m9 handgun). We also had to load the .556 rounds for the M4s too.
All I can say, is when you called Project Zomboid's loading a magazine "optimistically fast," I will 100% attest to that. Loading magazines can be a huuuge pain in the arse. I cannot imagine being forced to try and do that in the middle of a damn gunfight, just no.
Nice video. I actually like the old schooler modells because of the reason you mentioned. The direct reload.
Good pick on the .22LR! .22LR also suppresses well, which would also make it useful for stealthy hunting, pest control and self defence. On top of that the ammunition being light, cheap, readily available etc. Other good picks are weapons chambered in very common or typical military calibers, such as 9x19mm, 7.62 (.308) and 5.56mm (.223). These calibers aren't just ubiquitous, but also highly effective. My general pick for the apocalypse would be a suppressed .22LR automatic pistol and a .22LR revolver as backup, a .357 magnum revolver, a reliable 9mm automatic pistol (Glock or similar) .22LR suppressed rifle, 5.56 automatic rifle, 7.62 bolt action and 12 gauge pump and single shot shotguns. That should cover all the bases.
It's nice to be getting some Skallagrim firearms content! Thanks for uploading this.
Great quote from Fargo season 1
"It's already dog eat dog friend, not sure what worse a bunch of zombies can do"
Great finger reset after the shot. The man knows how to shoot!
A good suggestion for a future video, since it is the holidays: Best weapons for winter.
Inspiration for this suggestion is from a scene in Gladiator where a Roman soldier's sword gets stuck to its holder, and the protagonist comments how the cold can make metals stick (or something like that - I haven't seen the film in 10 years and it only came back to me in memory recently).
"It's the frost. Sometimes it makes the blade stick."
I'm just doing a thought experiment in my head. With that Ruger GP100, you could attach a metal plate with metal studs to the base of the grip. Then, when you run out of ammo, grab the barrel and use it like a hammer, just like they did with those flintlock pistols in the 18th century.
(You might need to attach it to the metal frame for more strength, but keep some rubber on the grip for shooting)
I'd like to add that there's another benefit to going with older cartridge weapons; they can run with a significantly wider range of chamber pressures since they're manually operated.
The general rule of thumb being "if it fits, it shoots" baring exceptions like extra hot rounds. However that wouldn't be much of a problem since the biggest concern is underpowered ammo not being able to cycle a weapon.
So the humble .357 Magnum revolver can shoot almost any .30 caliber or 9mm ammo on the market, though the rimless 9mm may need a half moon clip to keep them in position.
Hey Skall, I hope you don't take offense if I suggest people watch the late Paul Harrell's TEOTWAWKI video. He offers a good bit of insight into that sort of thing at least as far as Americans go, but not exclusively.
The benefit of a firearm that has an integral feeding system where all you need is the gun itself and the ammo is pretty attractive, but being prepared and having multiple, functioning magazines for you magazine-fed firearm and having a dump-pouch to retain the empty mags is the obvious solution.
Revolvers have some other advantages over semi-autos, including but not limited to:
-A fixed barrel (as opposed to a Browning style tilting barrel system), resulting in better accuracy
-Some revolvers can fire multiple calibers
-Can fire more powerful calibers relative to semi-autos of the same size (there are a few exceptions)
-Second strike capability (firing in single action on a hard primer that failed to fire in double action)
-Will not jam in a grappling situation
-Better cold weapon for close encounters
Modern .22 ammo is pretty good, but you are absolutely correct about rimfire. ( I’m a .22 collector and have been shooting them over 40years) Nice vid.
Yeah, it's cool and all to think of the apocalypse scenario where we all aren't zombies or those prop skeletal remains on the toilets, but what really counts is - armor up so when you turn you bug the sirvivors more, or hit a funny pose to make 'em chuckle while checking the stalls
6:10 I think this only makes sense in the case where you happen upon a firearm with only one magazine. For your own personal gun you are quite likely to have spare magazines. Not to mention you have to reload a revolver several times before a standard magazine has to reload once.
No one reasonable would say a revolver is bad or anything, but with all factors being considered I'd trust my life to a semi auto pistol over a revolver simply because I can put out so much more firepower. If I have a pistol with 3 magazines, that's 45 shots nearly as fast as I can pull the trigger. Even if you're a hotshot with a speedloader you're going to take significantly longer to shoot that same number of rounds, that is if you happen to have 7 speedloaders ready to go, which take up way more room in your pockets than 2 extra magazines. That firepower expands the severity of situations which you can survive, which I think is the real key.