Thanks for the feedback, no worries, will keep the battle animations as they're fun to create. Thanks also for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!
all the animations are really charming but very effective, especially when king's heads are slowly drifting across the screen waiting for their next keyframe, it reinforces that the animations are to supplement the material rather than be the main draw like they would in a pseudohistory video.
One of my favorite parts of history to learn about, partly because it is shrouded in mystery. I've also heard that there may be a connection between the Trojan Wars and the Sea Peoples. Perhaps the Sea Peoples were refugees as a result of prolonged fighting in the Aegean. The Luwians (the people of Troy, Arzawa, and most of the rest of Western Anatolia) were probably a great constituent of the Sea Peoples. Another interesting tidbit is the possibility that the Dananu, who are mentioned in Rameses III's inscription, may have been the Israelite tribe of Dan, whose territory was initially adjacent and to the north of the Philistines in ancient Canaan, and it also explains some peculiar aspects of the most famous biblical Dannite, who was Samson, who interacted with and even slept with Philistine women. Samson was also big and strong, like his Philistine counterpart Goliath. Must be those Aegean genes.
You might be right. But I think they were Trojans. But then again they said it was people they never seen before. So what if they came from far off like Italy Spain or even Algeria Morocco. I even heard a theory that they came from the Black Sea area
Great observation. The story of David and Goliath fighting eachother is also very interesting. Single 1-on-1 combat was a typical Greek way of settling disputes between armies. The fight between Achilles and Hector in the Trojan war is another famous example of this. Not sure if other neighboring civilizations might have had similar traditions. I think most leaders in those days would have had to be skilled warriors.
If the Trojans were part of the Sea Peoples does this lead credence to the Roman Aeneid, where it's said that the Romans descended from a Trojan prince?
Glad you liked the video! The Sea Peoples are also one my favorite ancient mysteries as well. While where they were from is an interesting topic, I really want to know WHAT they were they fleeing. Thanks again for stopping by, I really appreciate it!
@@HistorywithCy you're welcome! You touched on the potential for it to be environmental factors, drought, famine that caused this invasion of sorts. That's where my mind tends to wander. For it to be a disparate group of people with separate identities and dress I've always had a hunch that it was less an organized invasion and more of a violent migration. Will we ever know for sure..?
Fascinating. The Sea People sound like a highly organized group of pirates/raiders. How did disparate people with different languages and customs come together to form a lasting organization like this? Seems so unlikely. There must have been some great leadership and some sort of detailed charter about how spoils were to be divided, disputes resolved, different tribal laws and customs honored, etc. Also, they must have had some lingua franca. A very unlikely scenario.
We could envision it as waves of desperate people from different cultures converging on the Fertile Crescent. There's nothing to deny the possibility that there was a lot of infighting going on. Overall attacking the well to do kingdoms would be much more attractive than killing other destitute desperate warriors/migrants.
The concept of needing a single shared language to form a unified group is a peculiarly modern one. It stems from the concept of the nation state (organising states into single self-governing peoples). The idea came about in Europe around this time that the way to define whether a group is 'one people' or not was whether they spoke the same language or not. Hence why you had programmes to centrally define a single language (e.g. France), or people's having a central language forced upon them (Irish/Welsh/Scots/Cornish), or weird divisions like German Vs Dutch Vs Austrian (north German is closer to Dutch, south German is closer to Austrian, but we say they're all different). Prior to this, multi-lingualism was much more widespread. Some areas would have a Lingua Franca, but often you just had people who could speak multiple languages commonly enough that translation wasn't as much of an issue.
Thank you! I'm thinking of following up on this with a longer-form podcast in the near future. Thanks for stopping by and your interest in the subject!
Thanks man! Yeah I enjoyed the book too... I think one day I'll revisit this topic and cover what he talks about in more detail. Hope all's well on your end!
I recomend reading "Sea People of the bronze Age" from Osprey publishing if you want to know more and see the beautiful artwork of sea people recreated by historic evidence.
Hi, thanks for the recommendation! I love the Osprey books...concise but with just enough information and amazing illustrations. I have a bunch of them on other topics. Thanks again!
Yeah since I read ancient Egyptian history as a kid, I have always wondered where those “people from the sea” who wreaked havoc ancient Egypt came from....
Awesome video on the sea peoples. One of my favorite ancient mysteries. I like to think that the destruction of the Minoan civilization ( knossos ) on crete and the invasion of the sea peoples is the historical bases that inspired Plato to later write about the mythical atlantians... I love this channel.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! I think I'll do a long-form podcast this summer on the Minoans... I'd also like to revisit that topic. Thanks again!
Probably the eruption of Santorini /Thera. This was part of the Minoan culture and the island was horseshoe/ circular island with another island inside the horseshoe. This is similar to Plato’s idea.
@@simonholyoak8869 The eruption of Thera happened around 1645 BC. After this time Minoan power was on a heavy decline thanks to environmental catastrophes earthquakes, Thera and foreign armies. Around 1170 BC Kreta was already in control of Myceans. I think all the wars in this expansive region caused the formation of the sea warriors. The sea people were probably the warriors whom deserted their former armies or were left on their own. They seemed like pirate raiders to me.
I have read 1177 BC by Eric H Cline myself. There isn't too much information that we know about the sea peoples, but he covers what we do know in depth. I would definitely recommend reading it.
I have listened to other podcasts & RUclips videos on the Sea Peoples but still enjoyed your overview of this fascinating "mystery" of the late bronze age. As a side story, in one lecture on this topic the presenter related the anecdote of a scholarly Halloween costume party. A group came in which each person had the letter "C" attached to the front of their shirt. Yes, they were the "C (Sea) Peoples" and they won the prize for best costume.
wow, what an amazing video. i completely take back my previous comment! you were absolutely right, you've come into your own. this topic, again, was absolutely awesome and something its difficult to find info on, probably due to the difficulty in researching it. but this was full of accurate stuff that id not known and or put together yet. this is exactly what i meant by i feel like i could be learning more. great video, great research skills. also huge improvement with the delivery, no more 1.25x needed. thanks so much.
I always had this idea that maybe the trojan war and these people are connected. Imagine a great war ending after a long conflict. Suddenly you have hordes of veteran soldiers with nothing to do and hordes of dislocated people looking for a better land. And if you look at the works of Homer he does mention than several of the heroes of the war took their family and soldiers and wondered all over the world. For example Menelaus and Helen went to Egypt.
Read Homers "The Odyessy". It seems like a fist hand account. He says him and his other raiders hit Egypt, some through the Delta and some direct, many started taking women and plundering and Chariots and Egyptian forces came, many his men were killed, he laid down his weapon and took his helmet off and surrendered to the "King". He was captured with many of his men and kept for seven years working for the king as mercenaries. That sounds EXACTLY like the Egyptian account of the first Sea people raid. This is obviously a narrative from someone who either was there or heard the story.
Correct. Maybe Troia was one of the cities the sea people attacked : the king of Toia sent a urgent message to the Hittites to help him (archeological museum of Constantinople).
Only issue seems to be that the tribal names given for the sea peoples match no major known ones at the time, and don’t appear to be of Greek origin, archaic or otherwise (the Linear B tablets seem to be of a completely different linguistic types than the tribal names given) and given that the odyssey starts directly after the Trojan war, and we’ve found the historical Troy, unfortunately showing that the historical Trojan war and the sea peoples Egyptian invasion wouldn’t make an “odyssey” origin fit well enough for the timeline. I’d chock the similarities up to coincidence more than anything else. That said, the theory would make an amazing story of its own, and could work for a plot device to world-build for a story where Ancient Greek and ancient Egyptian culture melded together centuries earlier.
@@themoreyouknow7418 We actually haven't found Troy, archeologist think what they have found is possibly Troy but there is still no definitive or hard evidence to say this is Troy. Also Ancient Greek language was not the same as that of Homers time....remember that Homer is recounting what was passed down as history, so names and words would be changed to match the current lingo of his time. So the story of The Iliad and the Odyssey could very well be consistent with that of the Sea Peoples.
@@themoreyouknow7418 well, while the timeline doesn't work, that may be due to the 400 years in between, and the lack of writing in that era. As for the tribal names, that's even more basic. Names people call themselves often do not match what foreigners call them. For example, imagine thousands of years fro now historians are trying to reconstruct American records, and see us talk about a war against the "Germans and Japanese". Would they be able to tell easily that it was against people who called themselves Deautcher and Nipponhi, respectivly? I think that's what's going on with the sea peoples tribes.
I think you should make a video about the Shardanas/Sardinians. Hystotians and archeologists managed to find a lot of stuff about them in the island of Sardinia. It's possibly the only group of the Sea people we know something about. Since we were left with hundred of statues and monuments.
@macsporan In Sardinia, many ancient strongholds and colossal stone palaces have been found. They are part of the local hystorical heritage. These enormous ruins are scattered everywere in the island. Alongside these, a lot of bronze statuettes depicting horned warriors have been found, wich shows a culture inheritely linked to the sea and trade. These warriors share the exact same features of the egyptian depictions of the shardanas Even the rounded shield with many hidden blades is shared in both depictions. A stele, possibly phoenician if I remember correctly, was found in the island, and in this stele the island is named Shardinia or something like that. Wich eventualy developed and became SARDEGNA (italian) and Sardinia (english). Sardinia, Shardinia and Shardana are blaitantly similar. Wich is why many hystorians are positive when they claim that the Shardanas were natives of Sardinia And Sardinians might be their direct descendants, since they share almost no genetic connection with other cultures near to their homeland, like Italy.
@macsporan These ruins are named "nuraghe", and are central to many tales of sardinian folklore. You can also search sardinian statuettes on the web. There is an entire museum dedicated to them.
Hi, thanks again for stopping by! I think it'd be a really cool topic for sure...I've seen photos of the statues I think you're talking about... cool stuff!
@@HistorywithCy Yeah. They are pretty cool. In Sardinia they even made some reconstruction of the "giants of mont'e Prama" These are the biggest statues found in the island, alongside a massive necropoly and a few skeletons of what we can assume were warriors. It seems that the Shardanas were a heavily militaristic society, wich is why even the pharaoh Ramses the second, hired some of them as his private guards. Wich is a BIG DEAL
I’ve always wondered how could such a diverse group of peoples become organized to be able to invade distant lands by land and sea. Should require some sophisticated organization I would think.
Were they that organized? The only notable resistance against them was from the Egyptians and we know how that went, they stormed and surprised everyone out of the blue, bit when faced properly they were defeated, so not so much for organization
I am imagining that because Egypt was a central and dominant power, it would have been a part of a culture where people would have wanted to go there, but it was too expensive. When times got tough, people would blame the central power for their policies that made more opportunities for egypt during crisis, but less for them. When egypt was trading across to these empires, then times got tough, they would have made trade more difficult to try to make up for the hard times, which would have worked, except it caused increased difficulty for these "sea peoples". In desperation and amid deadly strife, the sea peoples then rose up in anger at their oppressors, intent to return the favor.
@@HistorywithCy cy I would like to ask you a question if I may : once I heated that the PHONICIANS became in time the VIKINGS & PHONICIANS they actually been to what now is USA 🇺🇸 , if there any proof of validating or disprove this claim ?
Thanks for this very interesting video. Just this : the Egyptian records say "the foreign countries made a conspiracy in their islands" (0:12). If they really came only from mediterranean islands , how (except Sardinia, Sicilia, Creta, maybe Corsica=Weshesh) coud they come from Greece or Anatolia ?
I heard a volcano had gone off and basically killed one island which possibly pushed the survivors into panic mode to sack other cities while they figure the end of the world was coming not realizing that the volcano was only temporary.
Hi, thanks for stopping by. Yes, you're correct, many of them did, especially as the descended on Egypt, but there were many who also were moving on land west into central Anatolia as well as those coming down the eastern Mediterranean coast. Thanks again for stopping by, I really appreciate it and more to come soon!
thanks for a great vid! came to mind.. in 1500s BC (and before/after) pharaos were battling with Hyksos (idk who they are).. from mid-1300s BC pharaoh Akhenaten ruled for almost 20 yrs, but was eventually driven out from rulership because Amen was 'lowered' from its' position and Sun was made monotheistic., but the next puppet ruler rised Amen back to its' old position. 1200s BC started with Ramesses family-line in charge, and Ramesses was of 'non-royal birth'. Amen-Ra would slowly become monotheistic 'King of Gods' until 1100s. after Ramesses family name stops showing on king's list, successors are "high priests of Amun", no Sun mentioned.. And btw. to my knowledge, most paganic cultures were 'sun worshippers' until religions changed their culture.. Who knows, maybe sea peoples were kind of a United pagans collective pushing back the new religion.. (..don't rly know how them bringing their families would fit in this Picture though :D)
@macsporan true that, sources don't tell too much, until we find out more about origins and culture of the invaders.. and their possible links to pharaoh's (or Hyksos') culture in the past. chaotic it seemed indeed. Thank you for a thoughtful comment! :)
The people of Kemet called the hyksos people from foreign lands. The lands of Set. I always thought the hyksos were people whom migrated from the islands of greece and/or asia minor. When it comes to the religion such as the Aten, the egyptian pantheon and the main religions today I must say of their similarities. An easy example is the depliction of the Madonna and baby Jesus which is similiar to Isis and Horus. The pagan religions NEVER went into obscurity. The main religions today are improvised versions of pagan religions. The main books and myths are fanfictions of the myths that came before.
@@azureascendant994 interesting, about Set.. while during Hyksos' time Set was held on high place, also is said that: "The black soil, fertile and life-giving, was the realm of Horus, rightful king of Egypt, while the red soil was the desert, land of Set." (9 GODS OF THE EGYPTIAN PANTHEON, bpwriter22) ..yeah i don't know who they were or where they from. :) but i like to look for links in common past, like if matched with Oera Linda, there might be a common thingie with the changings in the ruling classes. about the pagan times, it seems a bit like how you said. Many stories have changed from their original forms.
@@Chokwik I should also mention the canaanite thunder god Bal which Egyptians linked to Set at this time. I believe the migrated canaanites were also termed hyksos in this period. Ancient people were either sun worshippers or thunder worshippers. In Greece and the lands of western europe they were both.
@@azureascendant994 oh i didn't know Bal was known among canaanites.. interesting. Lineage from Babylon.? the biggest powers in nature can be seen as 'higher powers'. depending on situation the main power (to worship, pray upon etc) may vary a bit.. I just learned how old sea finns held wind in somewhat same highness as the Sun. metaforically, about "Sun worship" , as old folk had more flexible minds in some sense, they could have had described a person with term from nature. Like Sun could be the respected all-father (from actual human lineage). culture has changed a lot, so maybe a bit of open mindness helps to read it further back :) Too much to say about this.. :D
The Sea People must have been thousands and thousands, or the stories of the ancient superpowers was all bias. But regarding the enormous construction they left tells us the ancient superpowers did have great resources, so the Sea People must have been really something, in several aspects.
Is there any theory regarding volcanic eruption prior to the sea people appearing in the picture? Might have been the survivors of a previous incident who had already knew where to head if things got really bad and if their life rebuilding was unsuccessful at home.. what are your thoughts?
I've heard that but to be honest I myself haven't read up on it. There was reportedly a large volcanic eruption on the island of Thera around 1500 BCE, but that predates the sea peoples by about 300 years. If I find something on this, I"ll let you know...thanks!
The Shardana are connected to the isle of Sardinia. The Nuragic civilization which resided there since before 2000BC and is responsible for constructing the Nurage megaliths, also constructed bronze figurines of there warriors wearing horned helmets armed with round shields and long swords are the obvious candidate for the Shardana. It's also interesting that Sardinia is genetically connected to Scandinavia via the I haplogroup. This same pre viking haplogroup is found in a small minority of Irish people as well in connough. Tuatha de danen were the original inhabitants of Ireland while tuath is an Egyptian word (connection) meaning immortal. My conclusion is that at least a part of the sea people coalition were bronze age vikings (Norse/Nuragic) operating out of their stronghold on Sardinia. This is the explanation for the high presence of the I haplogroup on Sardinia. Sardinia became the new Scandinavia far from home.
I think the sea peoples were a result of the indo european migration to an extent. A majority of them, the Lucians, the Greeks, the Sicels were from indo europeanized societies
I always thought the sea people had iron, but it seems not. Did they have anothervtech advantage for their success? If would also be interesting if you could make a video about the introduction of iron and it's impact...
What need of bronze or it's trade if iron could be made cheaply. I've always wondered if it was the rise of iron smelting that caused the breakdown in trade for Bronze instead of the breakdown in bronze trade being the cause for the rise of iron.
You have explained a lot I didn't understand about the sea people. At 1st I thought they maybe vikings decent or north European. But this has put some more light on the mystery. Funny though the Egyptian didn't write anything about there history as they liked to record mostly everything. Oh well. Maybe in my lifetime the truth will found. Be safe all.😊
probably in stages. My hypothesis is it started in the West and moved east, picking up new members along the way. So the Sherden and Shekelesh probably attacked Mycenean Greece (while it was already collapsing, I don't think the Sea People's caused the collapse), and peoples there joined them (the Ekwesh some think were Achean greeks, and the Denjen are agreed to be the Danoi greeks). Then the Anatolian coast where the Weshwesh and Lukka joined. But something happened already tht caused the lands to be unstable and made people want to uproot and go raiding fa afield.
You know with all the details based on how they looked it does seem like it was a forceful invasion for their survival trying to migrate else where as their only option, but with all that diversity it must also mean these diverse warriors were once not all united in culture/style before and perhaps a famine or violent war from an even greater enemy brought them together to flee like you mentioned. It must of been a threat to man for all of them in the region like no food or a very dangerous enemy. We see war is the result usually on neighbors that don't get along, but as to fleeing together and conquering a distant neighbor seems like the only option if you can't fight back what made you flee. Wish I could say something crazy like they were running away from The Titanomarchy but I'm not sure on the time frame of that occurrence this very moment. Who knows until we find more stories in the sand it could be a lot of things.
Hi, thanks for stopping by! I think to an extent, yes, because they really weakened if not destroyed some of the societies that they overran, especially along the northern coasts of Canaan and in southern and central Anatolia. It's really interesting when one reads the findings of archaeologists about the destruction caused to so many cities of the time. However, in my humble opinion, I don't think that they were the cause of it. They were a bunch of desperate peoples who really were looking for/needing a new place to settle down and as they encroached on the lands of others, conflicts arose. That's my take... but who knows for sure! Thanks again!
@@HistorywithCy I agree that they alone were not responsible for the Bronze Age collapse, and I also agree that they were just a piece of a larger puzzle. Thanks for all your videos - I learn something new, every time I watch one. :)
Hey ... I just want to add to your amazing video the following excerpt from a book “The penguin: historical atlas of Ancient Greece” (1995) from Midway page 20. Let me now what you think........”The movement of a new Indo-European population, the Illyrians, into the Balkans forced out the resident population; one group into Anatolia, the other into Greece. The invaders of Anatolia, the Phrygians, were supposed to have destroyed the Hittites and, like a tidal wave, caused the migration of the sea people. The sea People’s were thus just a displaced populations from Anatolia who then moved southward, destroying cities in Cyprus, Syria and Palestine before being repulsed at the borders of Egypt. Some of these groups settles (i.e. Peleset) while others sailed westwards, such as the Shardana who eventually settled in Italy”........ And then on page 22 1st paragraph it mentions that: “Aryan speakers invaded Greece and subjugated them. The last of these invasions, that of the Dorians, brought about the destruction of the Bronze Age civilization of Mycenae”. what do you think? It seems the sea people are probably a similar story to the Germanic tribes that migrated (as a result of Turkic expansion into their lands) into Rome and ultimately destroying it...
The invasion and destruction of Bronze Age Canaan by the 'Sea Peoples,' created the power vacuum that eventually gave rise to the Judeo-Christian religions.
The events in the late bronze age collapse always sounded like waves of migrations due to catastrophic events, droughts, famines, civil wars, etc., in the entire regions which caused a domino effect. Much like what happens these days with the refugees and immigrants around the world but in a huge scale for the ancient world, today though, we have better communication thanks to technology, sounds like history is repeating itself and is a great reminder why we humans should unite... to avoid total collapse.
also amazed by this theme, but why we think they came from region close to the Egypt, Anatolia, Canaan?, maybe they come from somewhere more far away, i dont say when i write this that they were some sort of Vikings ore Norsemen
Can you search the history of philippines. Before spaniards set foot on that island. I have never heard their history before spain conquered philippines. Thanks.
There is a well preserved representation of sea people captives, it shows what can be identified with no doubts as libyan or meshwesh captive and two other prisoners may be identified as canaanite or syrian. I am wondering why the role of libyans at that time is ignored. Concerning the sea people invasion i think it is some sort of alliance not pirates or some hungry people.
The sea people were most likely veterans, warriors, mercenaries and such from the several wars that happened at this time. No where else to go they became pirates. Judging from how successful these men were in their raids they had military experience. They hit the places which had been popular places of commerce in the region.
Awesome vidéo. Concerning the origin of the Sea People it is worthwhile to mention that the a Lukka were probably the ancestors of the Lycians,that the Danuna were probably connected with the later Danaoi,that the Teresh are possibly related with the Tyrsenians, that the Peleset ,according to some scholars could be connected with the Pelasgians. It is not impossible that the Illyrian tribe Pherustae is etymologically connected with the Peleset.one interesting fact: in the Balkans was later worshipped a Dea Palaestina. As far as the Shekelesh are concerned, some scholars think they were not Siculi but rather people from Sagalassos, in Asia Minor. An alternative theory concerning the Sherden is that they were coming from the area were later the town of Sardis was founded.
John Saf Indeed, it is for sure a possibility and ,according to many scholars, the Nuragic Sardinians were members of the loose alliance of the so called Sea People. According to other scholars, the Shardana originated from the Aegean area and settled later in Sardinia,which took its name from them.
Those were illyrians defenitly! Skirts and two horns even today are albanians national symbols. They own the mediterrenean seas until rome showed up. All their symbols were illyrians. Even in turkye now they call dardanele the mountains. Behind them dardanians bigest illyrian tribe. If you really know alot about the time is them in my opinion.
After watching hundreds of shows about the ancients and seeing that a Greek influence was set long before a Roman one, I would say the Sea peoples were the Greeks.. Most likely Alexander the Great. In fact, Cleopatra was the descendent of Alexander's General.. Ptolemy. I know some think it could have been the Vikings but Greek is probably the one. The stories of the Spartans, the Macedonians, The 300, (Jason & the Argonauts), etc. The Greeks did not just sit in white flowing gowns looking like Gods. They were fierce warriors with the same mentality as the Vikings (only different names for the Gods they worshipped).
I wish we knew more about the Philistines. They've always fascinated me, and I wish we could find some kind of written record from them. Then we might be able to find out if they were descendants of the Peleset that the Egyptians described.
Yes, the Philistines are the Peleset. The Peleset, in turn, are now believed to have come from eastern Crete, where Pelasgoi city states had survived from the Mycaenean invasion. Early Philistine pottery is very like Cretan examples.
It appears that not too many scholars follow Herodotus anymore. The first thing you must do emphatically is not listen to or believe any chatter coming from religious Universities. The professors within those musty places are hell bent on changing history to suit their religion. To begin, Herodotus stated that Solon had been told that some 9000 years before his time, that a great explosion had taken place and caused a population problem in the Mediterranean. The islands of Santorini and Crete [Minos] were worst affected and only few survived from both these very rich Islands. Herodotus states that Solon was told that ny of these survivors left in what was left of their fleets and retired to Italy, Sardinia and other Islands as far aw2ay from the decimated area as possible. Now we do know that the Island of Santorini exploded in about 1450 bc and this timeline fits in almost exactly with the Exodus, [The Ramesses thing is a joke] which took place during the reign of Thothmosis of Egypt. Cline has tried to change the date of the Exodus to fit in with the Ramesses [Land of] which was so called long before anybody named Ramesses came along. The name of that region was called the Western Harpoon in Egypt with Apis [Memphis] being it's Ciry. This city was made up mostly of Jews and the Delta area was farmed by them. The Egyptians called them Hapiru because they followed the bull calf god known as Hapi [Apis as an older bull] Remember the golden bull statue of Moses? So what I am implying is that the explosion at Santorini was not 9000 years but 900 years before Solon, during the 1400's bc. Santorini exploded about 1450bc and the people from the Eastern Mediterranian fled toward Italy where they made a home for many years but were pushed out perhaps by Romans who became a strong empire. It could be possib;e that the Etruscans learned from he people of Minos for they wore similar headdress. So about 200 years later these people came back from wherever they had lived and worked for that period and tried to take back their islands now populated by others and so we have the Sea peoples attacking anywhere they could to try and resettle. They were of course defeated and Egypt took the survivors in as paid boatmen aand workers. Atlantis was Santorini and he plagues of Egypt were from that Volcanic explosion. Mr Cline, history is more im,portant than religion in the context of burying the truth.
Always loved and was intrigued by this event....figured it was maybe a domino effect caused by peoples pushing south.......but now I'm thinking they were time travelers fleeing from the convid 19 virus
Hmm, could have been some sort of disease...I tend to think they were fleeing some sort of famine or drought-related issue... Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it!
Shekelesh = Seclers = Székelyek = Seculi (Seculi is the common name of Székelys (Seclers) and Sicilians in latin so possible common origin. Fun fact: szekerce means axe in Hungarian /Seclers speak Hungarian/)
The more i learn the more i wonder. Just now the "diverse" groups you identify, seem curious for, as I believe, are all areas the Greeks had colonized. But maybe that was not till the iron age. The main puzzler, is why they didn't try to integrate to these greener pastures, why none of the city states opted to buy them off, as was sometimes practiced. Furthermore, for such a tight knit community, as the regions around the eastern Mediterranean, how did others not know this was going on, who these people were, etc. Afterall, they were do alot of trade & riding all over the sea, something must have looked fishy. I have more, but i will just add, finally, since the Egyptians knew so much about them that they recorded & drew in such detail, why noy ask: who are you, what do you want,, how did you get together, what did you do to the other cities, etc., Why not ask these simple questions? Another thing, are the Armarna Letters where kings are asking other for help, are their disasters because of this (besides the droughts). Anyway, it makes me crazy.
Good day friends. On or about 1,000 years after the worldwide Great Flood mount Thera, a volcano in the Mediterranean, erupted violently for many days. Thus covering many settlements, cities and civilizations with thick volcanic debris. The accompanying tsunamis, from the eruption, flooded almost all coastal lands along the Mediterranean. The exodus and plagues in Egypt from biblical accounts, during the time of Moses, was due to the same eruption of the volcano. The destruction of the fabled city of Atlantis must have its original story created from the eruption of mount Thera. With a life and death situation for the devastated colonies, thru the havoc of volcanic eruption, cities were buried, plantations, crops, animal life, families and relatives were obliterated. The surviving affected people together with all family members, even children and domestic animals, they all ventured to leave their original territories as to survive, they wandered throughout the Mediterranean waters for a new home. They were now called the Sea Peoples. Even before the eruption of Thera, the Olympian Gods atop mount Olympus, transformed their palace into a superstructure spaceship and darted far away into deep space. The wandering Israelites of exodus spend 40 years in the desert because the marauding and warring Sea People took a long time to finally settle down, establish themselves into a peaceful communities in new lands. Have a nice day and future soon. Thank you.
My theory is that the Sea Peoples were mostly "Greeks". The Peleset were probably Pelasgic peoples who migrated to and became the Philistines. A genetic study demonstrated that Philistine peoples shared a significant ancestry with Greek peoples. The Danuna sounds like Danans which is the name of the ancient Greek tribe that was invading Mycenaean Greece at the time. The Tjekker, Weshesh, and Shekelesh are a bit of a mystery. But they could have been unidentified tribes and cities of Greece. Or Anatolian allies. Perhaps Weshesh was Wilusa (Troy) and Shekelesh sounds a bit like "Cycaladesh" or "Cyclades" so they could have been the islanders whom Herodotus said paid tribute to no king in the ancient days of Minos.
Hi, thanks again for stopping by! I think most would agree with you, but specifically from where in Greece or the Aegean is the hotly contested issue. I myself don't have the knowledge or expertise to answer that question. They say that Skekelesh are from Sicily, but how they make that connection (other than the similar sounding name) is a bit of a stretch. I'd read a theory some time back where the author was making the argument that they came from southwest Anatolia, which is a long ways from Sicily. Who knows for sure... Thanks again!
@@HistorywithCy I am Italian and as much as I would love to believe that Shekelesh and Shardan come from Sicily and Sardinia, there aren't enough evidences to back these theories, however I believe that this confederation of sea people included tribes from variours areas which included the Italic, Balkan, Anatolian peninsula and perhaps even the Nordic world. Also we tend to talk about Sea People but we often forget the contribution given to the invasion/migrantion by the Land people such as the Libu (Libyans-Berbers) , the Habiru/Apiru, meaning "dusty, dirty" (Hebrews?), Arameans etc.
They could just as easily have been fleeing the sinking of the last of the seven islands of Atlantis. The misnomer is 'Sea People'. Once it's permanently discarded, we can embrace more than just theories, we can begin to rewrite history and restore the truth.
Sea peoples were Norse - it’s the reason for the connection between Norse cosmology and Greek mythology - also why redhaired people were found in Egyptian tombs
Idk why but I love the battle animations. The flying arrows and little explosions get me every time. Please don't change them.
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all the animations are really charming but very effective, especially when king's heads are slowly drifting across the screen waiting for their next keyframe, it reinforces that the animations are to supplement the material rather than be the main draw like they would in a pseudohistory video.
One of my favorite parts of history to learn about, partly because it is shrouded in mystery. I've also heard that there may be a connection between the Trojan Wars and the Sea Peoples. Perhaps the Sea Peoples were refugees as a result of prolonged fighting in the Aegean. The Luwians (the people of Troy, Arzawa, and most of the rest of Western Anatolia) were probably a great constituent of the Sea Peoples.
Another interesting tidbit is the possibility that the Dananu, who are mentioned in Rameses III's inscription, may have been the Israelite tribe of Dan, whose territory was initially adjacent and to the north of the Philistines in ancient Canaan, and it also explains some peculiar aspects of the most famous biblical Dannite, who was Samson, who interacted with and even slept with Philistine women. Samson was also big and strong, like his Philistine counterpart Goliath. Must be those Aegean genes.
You might be right. But I think they were Trojans. But then again they said it was people they never seen before. So what if they came from far off like Italy Spain or even Algeria Morocco. I even heard a theory that they came from the Black Sea area
Great observation. The story of David and Goliath fighting eachother is also very interesting. Single 1-on-1 combat was a typical Greek way of settling disputes between armies. The fight between Achilles and Hector in the Trojan war is another famous example of this. Not sure if other neighboring civilizations might have had similar traditions. I think most leaders in those days would have had to be skilled warriors.
We left on our ship's looking for land exiled from home.
The tribe Dan ,the tribe gad, the tribe of Asher
I've always hoped they were ancient celtic Britains
If the Trojans were part of the Sea Peoples does this lead credence to the Roman Aeneid, where it's said that the Romans descended from a Trojan prince?
Bro your channel is criminally underrated. Please keep making videos for us history nerds.
Will do, thanks for watching! No plans of stopping...
One of my favorite historical mysteries. I've been waiting for your view and sources on the topic Cy! 🤓👌
Glad you liked the video! The Sea Peoples are also one my favorite ancient mysteries as well. While where they were from is an interesting topic, I really want to know WHAT they were they fleeing.
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Thank you!
@@HistorywithCy you're welcome!
You touched on the potential for it to be environmental factors, drought, famine that caused this invasion of sorts. That's where my mind tends to wander. For it to be a disparate group of people with separate identities and dress I've always had a hunch that it was less an organized invasion and more of a violent migration. Will we ever know for sure..?
Does the Sea people's story has the connection with the Atlantis dialogue, Plato did said their countries once been attached by the outside forces
@@HistorywithCy maybe gog and Ma(water)gog
Fascinating. The Sea People sound like a highly organized group of pirates/raiders. How did disparate people with different languages and customs come together to form a lasting organization like this? Seems so unlikely. There must have been some great leadership and some sort of detailed charter about how spoils were to be divided, disputes resolved, different tribal laws and customs honored, etc. Also, they must have had some lingua franca. A very unlikely scenario.
We could envision it as waves of desperate people from different cultures converging on the Fertile Crescent.
There's nothing to deny the possibility that there was a lot of infighting going on. Overall attacking the well to do kingdoms would be much more attractive than killing other destitute desperate warriors/migrants.
The concept of needing a single shared language to form a unified group is a peculiarly modern one. It stems from the concept of the nation state (organising states into single self-governing peoples). The idea came about in Europe around this time that the way to define whether a group is 'one people' or not was whether they spoke the same language or not. Hence why you had programmes to centrally define a single language (e.g. France), or people's having a central language forced upon them (Irish/Welsh/Scots/Cornish), or weird divisions like German Vs Dutch Vs Austrian (north German is closer to Dutch, south German is closer to Austrian, but we say they're all different). Prior to this, multi-lingualism was much more widespread. Some areas would have a Lingua Franca, but often you just had people who could speak multiple languages commonly enough that translation wasn't as much of an issue.
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@@Cobbido Triggered much?
@@BiTurbo228 you not know about language
I love the use of primary sources 👍🏻
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You have an amazing grasp of history. Well done!
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I'm glad you covered this topic and hope you will cover it in more detail in another episode
Thank you! I'm thinking of following up on this with a longer-form podcast in the near future. Thanks for stopping by and your interest in the subject!
Fascinating topic. Read Eric Cline's book a while back and really enjoyed it. Great job Cy!
Thanks man! Yeah I enjoyed the book too... I think one day I'll revisit this topic and cover what he talks about in more detail. Hope all's well on your end!
A great book with disturbing parallels to the geopolitical state of the world today
I recomend reading "Sea People of the bronze Age" from Osprey publishing if you want to know more and see the beautiful artwork of sea people recreated by historic evidence.
Hi, thanks for the recommendation! I love the Osprey books...concise but with just enough information and amazing illustrations. I have a bunch of them on other topics.
Thanks again!
Yeah since I read ancient Egyptian history as a kid, I have always wondered where those “people from the sea” who wreaked havoc ancient Egypt came from....
Haha hopefully you have some more knowledge about them after this vid... thanks so much for stopping by, I really appreciate it! More to come soon!
In “The Odyssey “, Homer tells how Odysseus and his ships launched a raid on Egypt that was beaten back
Awesome video on the sea peoples. One of my favorite ancient mysteries. I like to think that the destruction of the Minoan civilization ( knossos ) on crete and the invasion of the sea peoples is the historical bases that inspired Plato to later write about the mythical atlantians... I love this channel.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! I think I'll do a long-form podcast this summer on the Minoans... I'd also like to revisit that topic.
Thanks again!
Probably the eruption of Santorini /Thera. This was part of the Minoan culture and the island was horseshoe/ circular island with another island inside the horseshoe. This is similar to Plato’s idea.
@@simonholyoak8869 The eruption of Thera happened around 1645 BC. After this time Minoan power was on a heavy decline thanks to environmental catastrophes earthquakes, Thera and foreign armies. Around 1170 BC Kreta was already in control of Myceans. I think all the wars in this expansive region caused the formation of the sea warriors. The sea people were probably the warriors whom deserted their former armies or were left on their own. They seemed like pirate raiders to me.
@@azureascendant994 not disagreeing
@@simonholyoak8869 I know. I just think Thera played a minor part.
I have read 1177 BC by Eric H Cline myself. There isn't too much information that we know about the sea peoples, but he covers what we do know in depth. I would definitely recommend reading it.
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I have listened to other podcasts & RUclips videos on the Sea Peoples but still enjoyed your overview of this fascinating "mystery" of the late bronze age. As a side story, in one lecture on this topic the presenter related the anecdote of a scholarly Halloween costume party. A group came in which each person had the letter "C" attached to the front of their shirt. Yes, they were the "C (Sea) Peoples" and they won the prize for best costume.
Essential point: "Instead of being the cause of the Bronze Age collapse, as they are often portrayed, they were among its many victims."
wow, what an amazing video. i completely take back my previous comment! you were absolutely right, you've come into your own. this topic, again, was absolutely awesome and something its difficult to find info on, probably due to the difficulty in researching it. but this was full of accurate stuff that id not known and or put together yet. this is exactly what i meant by i feel like i could be learning more. great video, great research skills. also huge improvement with the delivery, no more 1.25x needed. thanks so much.
I always had this idea that maybe the trojan war and these people are connected. Imagine a great war ending after a long conflict. Suddenly you have hordes of veteran soldiers with nothing to do and hordes of dislocated people looking for a better land. And if you look at the works of Homer he does mention than several of the heroes of the war took their family and soldiers and wondered all over the world. For example Menelaus and Helen went to Egypt.
Read Homers "The Odyessy". It seems like a fist hand account. He says him and his other raiders hit Egypt, some through the Delta and some direct, many started taking women and plundering and Chariots and Egyptian forces came, many his men were killed, he laid down his weapon and took his helmet off and surrendered to the "King". He was captured with many of his men and kept for seven years working for the king as mercenaries. That sounds EXACTLY like the Egyptian account of the first Sea people raid. This is obviously a narrative from someone who either was there or heard the story.
Correct. Maybe Troia was one of the cities the sea people attacked : the king of Toia sent a urgent message to the Hittites to help him (archeological museum of Constantinople).
Only issue seems to be that the tribal names given for the sea peoples match no major known ones at the time, and don’t appear to be of Greek origin, archaic or otherwise (the Linear B tablets seem to be of a completely different linguistic types than the tribal names given) and given that the odyssey starts directly after the Trojan war, and we’ve found the historical Troy, unfortunately showing that the historical Trojan war and the sea peoples Egyptian invasion wouldn’t make an “odyssey” origin fit well enough for the timeline. I’d chock the similarities up to coincidence more than anything else. That said, the theory would make an amazing story of its own, and could work for a plot device to world-build for a story where Ancient Greek and ancient Egyptian culture melded together centuries earlier.
@@themoreyouknow7418 We actually haven't found Troy, archeologist think what they have found is possibly Troy but there is still no definitive or hard evidence to say this is Troy. Also Ancient Greek language was not the same as that of Homers time....remember that Homer is recounting what was passed down as history, so names and words would be changed to match the current lingo of his time. So the story of The Iliad and the Odyssey could very well be consistent with that of the Sea Peoples.
@@tribequest9 hmm have not?in anatolia west?
@@themoreyouknow7418 well, while the timeline doesn't work, that may be due to the 400 years in between, and the lack of writing in that era. As for the tribal names, that's even more basic. Names people call themselves often do not match what foreigners call them. For example, imagine thousands of years fro now historians are trying to reconstruct American records, and see us talk about a war against the "Germans and Japanese". Would they be able to tell easily that it was against people who called themselves Deautcher and Nipponhi, respectivly? I think that's what's going on with the sea peoples tribes.
I think you should make a video about the Shardanas/Sardinians.
Hystotians and archeologists managed to find a lot of stuff about them in the island of Sardinia.
It's possibly the only group of the Sea people we know something about.
Since we were left with hundred of statues and monuments.
@macsporan
In Sardinia, many ancient strongholds and colossal stone palaces have been found.
They are part of the local hystorical heritage.
These enormous ruins are scattered everywere in the island.
Alongside these, a lot of bronze statuettes depicting horned warriors have been found, wich shows a culture inheritely linked to the sea and trade.
These warriors share the exact same features of the egyptian depictions of the shardanas
Even the rounded shield with many hidden blades is shared in both depictions.
A stele, possibly phoenician if I remember correctly, was found in the island, and in this stele the island is named Shardinia or something like that.
Wich eventualy developed and became SARDEGNA (italian) and Sardinia (english).
Sardinia, Shardinia and Shardana are blaitantly similar.
Wich is why many hystorians are positive when they claim that the Shardanas were natives of Sardinia
And Sardinians might be their direct descendants, since they share almost no genetic connection with other cultures near to their homeland, like Italy.
@macsporan
These ruins are named "nuraghe", and are central to many tales of sardinian folklore.
You can also search sardinian statuettes on the web.
There is an entire museum dedicated to them.
Some big stone statues have also been found.
Hi, thanks again for stopping by! I think it'd be a really cool topic for sure...I've seen photos of the statues I think you're talking about... cool stuff!
@@HistorywithCy
Yeah.
They are pretty cool.
In Sardinia they even made some reconstruction of the "giants of mont'e Prama"
These are the biggest statues found in the island, alongside a massive necropoly and a few skeletons of what we can assume were warriors.
It seems that the Shardanas were a heavily militaristic society, wich is why even the pharaoh Ramses the second, hired some of them as his private guards.
Wich is a BIG DEAL
Love it Cy. Great job as always
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it!
I’ve always wondered how could such a diverse group of peoples become organized to be able to invade distant lands by land and sea. Should require some sophisticated organization I would think.
Were they that organized? The only notable resistance against them was from the Egyptians and we know how that went, they stormed and surprised everyone out of the blue, bit when faced properly they were defeated, so not so much for organization
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I am imagining that because Egypt was a central and dominant power, it would have been a part of a culture where people would have wanted to go there, but it was too expensive. When times got tough, people would blame the central power for their policies that made more opportunities for egypt during crisis, but less for them. When egypt was trading across to these empires, then times got tough, they would have made trade more difficult to try to make up for the hard times, which would have worked, except it caused increased difficulty for these "sea peoples". In desperation and amid deadly strife, the sea peoples then rose up in anger at their oppressors, intent to return the favor.
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@@HistorywithCy cy I would like to ask you a question if I may : once I heated that the PHONICIANS became in time the VIKINGS & PHONICIANS they actually been to what now is USA 🇺🇸 , if there any proof of validating or disprove this claim ?
Well done! I read the Kline book and also found it helpful. Thank you!
Thank you, glad you found the video to be useful! Stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy Thank you for your rapid response! Stay safe yourself! All the best!
Great video!
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
Thanks for this very interesting video. Just this : the Egyptian records say "the foreign countries made a conspiracy in their islands" (0:12). If they really came only from mediterranean islands , how (except Sardinia, Sicilia, Creta, maybe Corsica=Weshesh) coud they come from Greece or Anatolia ?
Yes I learned thank you
I heard a volcano had gone off and basically killed one island which possibly pushed the survivors into panic mode to sack other cities while they figure the end of the world was coming not realizing that the volcano was only temporary.
Immanuel Velkoksy wrote a book about them called Peoples pf the Sea back in 1977. It was a good book.
Thank you
ラムセス三世の碑や地図の表示の速度も適切で、わかりやすかった。Clineの『1177』の抜粋もあり、いわゆる「海の民」がどこから、来たのかもわかりやすかった。難点は、ヒッタイトの滅亡が、地図と民族の移動では、「海の民」だけによるものになっていることだと思います。
The song at 8:25 is 🔥
Interesting take on the sea people's! thanks
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Always thought they came by sea thanks for the new info.
Hi, thanks for stopping by. Yes, you're correct, many of them did, especially as the descended on Egypt, but there were many who also were moving on land west into central Anatolia as well as those coming down the eastern Mediterranean coast.
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CAN'T WAIT TILL THE NXT ONE FROM THE LOOKS OF WHT THE TOPIC MAY BE!!!!
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Amazing images....
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thanks for a great vid!
came to mind.. in 1500s BC (and before/after) pharaos were battling with Hyksos (idk who they are).. from mid-1300s BC pharaoh Akhenaten ruled for almost 20 yrs, but was eventually driven out from rulership because Amen was 'lowered' from its' position and Sun was made monotheistic., but the next puppet ruler rised Amen back to its' old position.
1200s BC started with Ramesses family-line in charge, and Ramesses was of 'non-royal birth'. Amen-Ra would slowly become monotheistic 'King of Gods' until 1100s.
after Ramesses family name stops showing on king's list, successors are "high priests of Amun", no Sun mentioned.. And btw. to my knowledge, most paganic cultures were 'sun worshippers' until religions changed their culture.. Who knows, maybe sea peoples were kind of a United pagans collective pushing back the new religion.. (..don't rly know how them bringing their families would fit in this Picture though :D)
@macsporan true that, sources don't tell too much, until we find out more about origins and culture of the invaders.. and their possible links to pharaoh's (or Hyksos') culture in the past.
chaotic it seemed indeed. Thank you for a thoughtful comment! :)
The people of Kemet called the hyksos people from foreign lands. The lands of Set. I always thought the hyksos were people whom migrated from the islands of greece and/or asia minor.
When it comes to the religion such as the Aten, the egyptian pantheon and the main religions today I must say of their similarities. An easy example is the depliction of the Madonna and baby Jesus which is similiar to Isis and Horus. The pagan religions NEVER went into obscurity. The main religions today are improvised versions of pagan religions. The main books and myths are fanfictions of the myths that came before.
@@azureascendant994 interesting, about Set..
while during Hyksos' time Set was held on high place, also is said that:
"The black soil, fertile and life-giving, was the realm of Horus, rightful king of Egypt, while the red soil was the desert, land of Set." (9 GODS OF THE EGYPTIAN PANTHEON, bpwriter22)
..yeah i don't know who they were or where they from. :) but i like to look for links in common past, like if matched with Oera Linda, there might be a common thingie with the changings in the ruling classes.
about the pagan times, it seems a bit like how you said. Many stories have changed from their original forms.
@@Chokwik I should also mention the canaanite thunder god Bal which Egyptians linked to Set at this time. I believe the migrated canaanites were also termed hyksos in this period.
Ancient people were either sun worshippers or thunder worshippers. In Greece and the lands of western europe they were both.
@@azureascendant994 oh i didn't know Bal was known among canaanites.. interesting. Lineage from Babylon.?
the biggest powers in nature can be seen as 'higher powers'. depending on situation the main power (to worship, pray upon etc) may vary a bit.. I just learned how old sea finns held wind in somewhat same highness as the Sun.
metaforically, about "Sun worship" , as old folk had more flexible minds in some sense, they could have had described a person with term from nature. Like Sun could be the respected all-father (from actual human lineage). culture has changed a lot, so maybe a bit of open mindness helps to read it further back :)
Too much to say about this.. :D
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those with the horned helmet are the Sardinians of the west coast. Those with the feathered helmet are the Sardinians of the east coast
I just heard Cy pronounce the letter "qaf" 100% perfectly, which I've rarely ever heard a non Arab do. Is Cy an Arab?
The Sea People must have been thousands and thousands, or the stories of the ancient superpowers was all bias. But regarding the enormous construction they left tells us the ancient superpowers did have great resources, so the Sea People must have been really something, in several aspects.
I wonder if stuff like this was chronicled more but events like the library of Alexandria getting burnt down erased it. Idk
Is there any theory regarding volcanic eruption prior to the sea people appearing in the picture? Might have been the survivors of a previous incident who had already knew where to head if things got really bad and if their life rebuilding was unsuccessful at home.. what are your thoughts?
I've heard that but to be honest I myself haven't read up on it. There was reportedly a large volcanic eruption on the island of Thera around 1500 BCE, but that predates the sea peoples by about 300 years. If I find something on this, I"ll let you know...thanks!
@@HistorywithCy cool ..can't wait to see what you find..
east med civilizations: exists
Sea peoples: "i'm about to end this man's whole career."
The Shardana are connected to the isle of Sardinia. The Nuragic civilization which resided there since before 2000BC and is responsible for constructing the Nurage megaliths, also constructed bronze figurines of there warriors wearing horned helmets armed with round shields and long swords are the obvious candidate for the Shardana. It's also interesting that Sardinia is genetically connected to Scandinavia via the I haplogroup. This same pre viking haplogroup is found in a small minority of Irish people as well in connough. Tuatha de danen were the original inhabitants of Ireland while tuath is an Egyptian word (connection) meaning immortal. My conclusion is that at least a part of the sea people coalition were bronze age vikings (Norse/Nuragic) operating out of their stronghold on Sardinia. This is the explanation for the high presence of the I haplogroup on Sardinia. Sardinia became the new Scandinavia far from home.
I think the sea peoples were a result of the indo european migration to an extent. A majority of them, the Lucians, the Greeks, the Sicels were from indo europeanized societies
I always thought the sea people had iron, but it seems not. Did they have anothervtech advantage for their success? If would also be interesting if you could make a video about the introduction of iron and it's impact...
What need of bronze or it's trade if iron could be made cheaply. I've always wondered if it was the rise of iron smelting that caused the breakdown in trade for Bronze instead of the breakdown in bronze trade being the cause for the rise of iron.
You have explained a lot I didn't understand about the sea people. At 1st I thought they maybe vikings decent or north European. But this has put some more light on the mystery. Funny though the Egyptian didn't write anything about there history as they liked to record mostly everything. Oh well. Maybe in my lifetime the truth will found. Be safe all.😊
If they all came from these different regions, so it is a mystery for me, how they managed to agree and organize themselves in a coordinated action.
probably in stages. My hypothesis is it started in the West and moved east, picking up new members along the way. So the Sherden and Shekelesh probably attacked Mycenean Greece (while it was already collapsing, I don't think the Sea People's caused the collapse), and peoples there joined them (the Ekwesh some think were Achean greeks, and the Denjen are agreed to be the Danoi greeks). Then the Anatolian coast where the Weshwesh and Lukka joined.
But something happened already tht caused the lands to be unstable and made people want to uproot and go raiding fa afield.
You know with all the details based on how they looked it does seem like it was a forceful invasion for their survival trying to migrate else where as their only option, but with all that diversity it must also mean these diverse warriors were once not all united in culture/style before and perhaps a famine or violent war from an even greater enemy brought them together to flee like you mentioned. It must of been a threat to man for all of them in the region like no food or a very dangerous enemy. We see war is the result usually on neighbors that don't get along, but as to fleeing together and conquering a distant neighbor seems like the only option if you can't fight back what made you flee. Wish I could say something crazy like they were running away from The Titanomarchy but I'm not sure on the time frame of that occurrence this very moment. Who knows until we find more stories in the sand it could be a lot of things.
@macsporan I completely agree yes, I'm hoping with a discovery we will know more for sure
Me and the boys going on holiday in the Fertile Crescent.
I've wondered if these 'Sea Peoples' weren't at least partly to blame for the Bronze Age collapse.
Hi, thanks for stopping by! I think to an extent, yes, because they really weakened if not destroyed some of the societies that they overran, especially along the northern coasts of Canaan and in southern and central Anatolia. It's really interesting when one reads the findings of archaeologists about the destruction caused to so many cities of the time. However, in my humble opinion, I don't think that they were the cause of it. They were a bunch of desperate peoples who really were looking for/needing a new place to settle down and as they encroached on the lands of others, conflicts arose. That's my take... but who knows for sure!
Thanks again!
@@HistorywithCy I agree that they alone were not responsible for the Bronze Age collapse, and I also agree that they were just a piece of a larger puzzle. Thanks for all your videos - I learn something new, every time I watch one. :)
@@curiousworld7912 That's my goal, to spread little bits of knowledge to those of you out there who are interested... thank you for watching!
Its clear to me that these are the mercenaries left over from the Trojan war.
Mostly of Greek origin, but also those they conquered.
Hey ... I just want to add to your amazing video the following excerpt from a book “The penguin: historical atlas of Ancient Greece” (1995) from Midway page 20. Let me now what you think........”The movement of a new Indo-European population, the Illyrians, into the Balkans forced out the resident population; one group into Anatolia, the other into Greece. The invaders of Anatolia, the Phrygians, were supposed to have destroyed the Hittites and, like a tidal wave, caused the migration of the sea people. The sea People’s were thus just a displaced populations from Anatolia who then moved southward, destroying cities in Cyprus, Syria and Palestine before being repulsed at the borders of Egypt. Some of these groups settles (i.e. Peleset) while others sailed westwards, such as the Shardana who eventually settled in Italy”........
And then on page 22 1st paragraph it mentions that: “Aryan speakers invaded Greece and subjugated them. The last of these invasions, that of the Dorians, brought about the destruction of the Bronze Age civilization of Mycenae”.
what do you think? It seems the sea people are probably a similar story to the Germanic tribes that migrated (as a result of Turkic expansion into their lands) into Rome and ultimately destroying it...
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Haha I hope so...thank you!
The invasion and destruction of Bronze Age Canaan by the 'Sea Peoples,' created the power vacuum that eventually gave rise to the Judeo-Christian religions.
How did all these different peoples form together as one group? Then why did they decide to start invading different countries? We may never know.
The events in the late bronze age collapse always sounded like waves of migrations due to catastrophic events, droughts, famines, civil wars, etc., in the entire regions which caused a domino effect.
Much like what happens these days with the refugees and immigrants around the world but in a huge scale for the ancient world, today though, we have better communication thanks to technology, sounds like history is repeating itself and is a great reminder why we humans should unite... to avoid total collapse.
also amazed by this theme, but why we think they came from region close to the Egypt, Anatolia, Canaan?, maybe they come from somewhere more far away, i dont say when i write this that they were some sort of Vikings ore Norsemen
Maybe exiled warrior's and families and people's. Maybe
They had already been to Egypt
And they had heard of Egypt from
Story from old days past.
The feathered headdress is similar to the plains tribes of north America
Can you search the history of philippines. Before spaniards set foot on that island.
I have never heard their history before spain conquered philippines. Thanks.
There is a well preserved representation of sea people captives, it shows what can be identified with no doubts as libyan or meshwesh captive and two other prisoners may be identified as canaanite or syrian. I am wondering why the role of libyans at that time is ignored.
Concerning the sea people invasion i think it is some sort of alliance not pirates or some hungry people.
The sea people were most likely veterans, warriors, mercenaries and such from the several wars that happened at this time. No where else to go they became pirates. Judging from how successful these men were in their raids they had military experience. They hit the places which had been popular places of commerce in the region.
They must have been some bunch as the people's hittites etc weren't exactly push overs or were there other factors
5:50 - 6:20
A massive volcanic eruption in Iceland 'Hekla 3' ca 1000 bc saw 18 years of famine.
Awesome vidéo. Concerning the origin of the Sea People it is worthwhile to mention that the a Lukka were probably the ancestors of the Lycians,that the Danuna were probably connected with the later Danaoi,that the Teresh are possibly related with the Tyrsenians, that the Peleset ,according to some scholars could be connected with the Pelasgians. It is not impossible that the Illyrian tribe Pherustae is etymologically connected with the Peleset.one interesting fact: in the Balkans was later worshipped a Dea Palaestina. As far as the Shekelesh are concerned, some scholars think they were not Siculi but rather people from Sagalassos, in Asia Minor. An alternative theory concerning the Sherden is that they were coming from the area were later the town of Sardis was founded.
John Saf Indeed, it is for sure a possibility and ,according to many scholars, the Nuragic Sardinians were members of the loose alliance of the so called Sea People. According to other scholars, the Shardana originated from the Aegean area and settled later in Sardinia,which took its name from them.
Those were illyrians defenitly! Skirts and two horns even today are albanians national symbols. They own the mediterrenean seas until rome showed up. All their symbols were illyrians. Even in turkye now they call dardanele the mountains. Behind them dardanians bigest illyrian tribe. If you really know alot about the time is them in my opinion.
Peleset = peloponnese?
Peleset is where Palestine/philistinnes region got the name from. Either the pelests came from their or ended up going there.
Always lads to Atlantis. That's my theory on everything 😊
After watching hundreds of shows about the ancients and seeing that a Greek influence was set long before a Roman one, I would say the Sea peoples were the Greeks.. Most likely Alexander the Great.
In fact, Cleopatra was the descendent of Alexander's General.. Ptolemy.
I know some think it could have been the Vikings but Greek is probably the one. The stories of the Spartans, the Macedonians, The 300, (Jason & the Argonauts), etc.
The Greeks did not just sit in white flowing gowns looking like Gods. They were fierce warriors with the same mentality as the Vikings (only different names for the Gods they worshipped).
You forgot to mention Troy!
I wish we knew more about the Philistines. They've always fascinated me, and I wish we could find some kind of written record from them. Then we might be able to find out if they were descendants of the Peleset that the Egyptians described.
Yes, the Philistines are the Peleset. The Peleset, in turn, are now believed to have come from eastern Crete, where Pelasgoi city states had survived from the Mycaenean invasion.
Early Philistine pottery is very like Cretan examples.
PHONECIANS, IN ANCIENT TIME TO NAME ONE OUT OF MANY.
It appears that not too many scholars follow Herodotus anymore. The first thing you must do emphatically is not listen to or believe any chatter coming from religious Universities. The professors within those musty places are hell bent on changing history to suit their religion. To begin, Herodotus stated that Solon had been told that some 9000 years before his time, that a great explosion had taken place and caused a population problem in the Mediterranean. The islands of Santorini and Crete [Minos] were worst affected and only few survived from both these very rich Islands. Herodotus states that Solon was told that ny of these survivors left in what was left of their fleets and retired to Italy, Sardinia and other Islands as far aw2ay from the decimated area as possible. Now we do know that the Island of Santorini exploded in about 1450 bc and this timeline fits in almost exactly with the Exodus, [The Ramesses thing is a joke] which took place during the reign of Thothmosis of Egypt. Cline has tried to change the date of the Exodus to fit in with the Ramesses [Land of] which was so called long before anybody named Ramesses came along. The name of that region was called the Western Harpoon in Egypt with Apis [Memphis] being it's Ciry. This city was made up mostly of Jews and the Delta area was farmed by them. The Egyptians called them Hapiru because they followed the bull calf god known as Hapi [Apis as an older bull] Remember the golden bull statue of Moses? So what I am implying is that the explosion at Santorini was not 9000 years but 900 years before Solon, during the 1400's bc. Santorini exploded about 1450bc and the people from the Eastern Mediterranian fled toward Italy where they made a home for many years but were pushed out perhaps by Romans who became a strong empire. It could be possib;e that the Etruscans learned from he people of Minos for they wore similar headdress. So about 200 years later these people came back from wherever they had lived and worked for that period and tried to take back their islands now populated by others and so we have the Sea peoples attacking anywhere they could to try and resettle. They were of course defeated and Egypt took the survivors in as paid boatmen aand workers. Atlantis was Santorini and he plagues of Egypt were from that Volcanic explosion. Mr Cline, history is more im,portant than religion in the context of burying the truth.
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Hola Karla! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it!
Tera?
The video game?
Could it be some inland Balkan peoples?
Always loved and was intrigued by this event....figured it was maybe a domino effect caused by peoples pushing south.......but now I'm thinking they were time travelers fleeing from the convid 19 virus
Hmm, could have been some sort of disease...I tend to think they were fleeing some sort of famine or drought-related issue...
Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it!
Shekelesh = Seclers = Székelyek = Seculi (Seculi is the common name of Székelys (Seclers) and Sicilians in latin so possible common origin. Fun fact: szekerce means axe in Hungarian /Seclers speak Hungarian/)
My theory this is a revolt.
If correct, we are looking at a failed Empire that shoulda been but nvr was. The bronze age Roman Empire that nvr was.
The more i learn the more i wonder.
Just now the "diverse" groups you identify, seem curious for, as I believe, are all areas the Greeks had colonized.
But maybe that was not till the iron age.
The main puzzler, is why they didn't try to integrate to these greener pastures, why none of the city states
opted to buy them off, as was sometimes practiced.
Furthermore, for such a tight knit community, as the regions around the eastern Mediterranean,
how did others not know this was going on, who these people were, etc. Afterall, they were do
alot of trade & riding all over the sea, something must have looked fishy.
I have more, but i will just add, finally, since the Egyptians knew so much about them that
they recorded & drew in such detail, why noy ask: who are you, what do you want,, how did you get
together, what did you do to the other cities, etc., Why not ask these simple questions?
Another thing, are the Armarna Letters where kings are asking other for help, are their disasters
because of this (besides the droughts). Anyway, it makes me crazy.
Good day friends.
On or about 1,000 years after the worldwide Great Flood mount Thera, a volcano in the Mediterranean, erupted violently for many days. Thus covering many settlements, cities and civilizations with thick volcanic debris. The accompanying tsunamis, from the eruption, flooded almost all coastal lands along the Mediterranean.
The exodus and plagues in Egypt from biblical accounts, during the time of Moses, was due to the same eruption of the volcano.
The destruction of the fabled city of Atlantis must have its original story created from the eruption of mount Thera.
With a life and death situation for the devastated colonies, thru the havoc of volcanic eruption, cities were buried, plantations, crops, animal life, families and relatives were obliterated. The surviving affected people together with all family members, even children and domestic animals, they all ventured to leave their original territories as to survive, they wandered throughout the Mediterranean waters for a new home. They were now called the Sea Peoples.
Even before the eruption of Thera, the Olympian Gods atop mount Olympus, transformed their palace into a superstructure spaceship and darted far away into deep space.
The wandering Israelites of exodus spend 40 years in the desert because the marauding and warring Sea People took a long time to finally settle down, establish themselves into a peaceful communities in new lands.
Have a nice day and future soon. Thank you.
My theory is that the Sea Peoples were mostly "Greeks". The Peleset were probably Pelasgic peoples who migrated to and became the Philistines. A genetic study demonstrated that Philistine peoples shared a significant ancestry with Greek peoples. The Danuna sounds like Danans which is the name of the ancient Greek tribe that was invading Mycenaean Greece at the time. The Tjekker, Weshesh, and Shekelesh are a bit of a mystery. But they could have been unidentified tribes and cities of Greece. Or Anatolian allies. Perhaps Weshesh was Wilusa (Troy) and Shekelesh sounds a bit like "Cycaladesh" or "Cyclades" so they could have been the islanders whom Herodotus said paid tribute to no king in the ancient days of Minos.
Hi, thanks again for stopping by! I think most would agree with you, but specifically from where in Greece or the Aegean is the hotly contested issue. I myself don't have the knowledge or expertise to answer that question. They say that Skekelesh are from Sicily, but how they make that connection (other than the similar sounding name) is a bit of a stretch. I'd read a theory some time back where the author was making the argument that they came from southwest Anatolia, which is a long ways from Sicily. Who knows for sure...
Thanks again!
@@HistorywithCy I am Italian and as much as I would love to believe that Shekelesh and Shardan come from Sicily and Sardinia, there aren't enough evidences to back these theories, however I believe that this confederation of sea people included tribes from variours areas which included the Italic, Balkan, Anatolian peninsula and perhaps even the Nordic world.
Also we tend to talk about Sea People but we often forget the contribution given to the invasion/migrantion by the Land people such as the Libu (Libyans-Berbers) , the Habiru/Apiru, meaning "dusty, dirty" (Hebrews?), Arameans etc.
Late Bronze Age collapse? Not bothered. Sea Peoples? Never heard of them.
Is it Possible that the Sea People were Philistines.
Hits blunt pirets
They could just as easily have been fleeing the sinking of the last of the seven islands of Atlantis. The misnomer is 'Sea People'. Once it's permanently discarded, we can embrace more than just theories, we can begin to rewrite history and restore the truth.
Sea Men + Sea People = Seaciety
Those are Amazigh Berber tribes descendants of capsians, aterians, Sicilians, iberomaurusians atlanteans.
The Maré People.
Their head dresses resemble South American head dresses.
Horned helmets and kilts🤔.. i smell an early viking .. who knows.
A strong candidate is the Trojan hypothesis. After 10 years of war and plunder who would like just to go home to his wife ?
I'm not saying it was Vikings
But it was Vikings
haha...they were the Sea Peoples of the early Middle Ages. Thanks for stopping by, I really appreciate it! Stay safe!
PHILISTINES
Could they be Bronze age Norsemen coming down the Volga?
Sea peoples were Norse - it’s the reason for the connection between Norse cosmology and Greek mythology - also why redhaired people were found in Egyptian tombs
There is a connection- perhaps a mini-ice age drove them out, and when it receded, they returned with new mythology, & a new culture.