As a Lakers fan, I didn't like seeing Duncan's winning record over Kobe. But I'll take those three beatdowns we gave the Spurs in the playoffs. Kobe demolished them so many times when it really counted
the spurs never went through a rebuild during Duncan's era, unlike Kobe and the Lakers between the years Shaq left and Pau Gasol arrived in LA. Bean was definitely the spurs killer tho when it mattered
@@sirfrescobar4830 That's the thing. Kobe had to endure multiple rebuilds, yet still win a lot. I respect Duncan so much, but with the same core plus adding key pieces, I put Kobe higher because of that particular reason.
@@axelgiosido4997 That's to Duncan's credit. He was gonna win regardless. Tim Duncan never seen a losing season won 3 championships in 3 decades. He's more top 5 worthy than Kobe is respectfully. An Yes I like Kobe but guys like Duncan Magic Jordan Russell they didn't see losing seasons as often as superstars today.
@@Nastynorth3Spurs won 60 games and made WCF in 1995 2 seasons before drafting TD and won 60 games and made WCF the season after he retired in 2017 read that again the spurs cut TD from the roster and were the 2nd best team in the NBA to KD GSW which if Zaza didn’t injure Kahwi I think they win it all
@@sirfrescobar4830 No player in league history won more than 1 title without a current All-NBA teammate by their side. Apart from Duncan, who did it 4 times. Top 5 player of All Time Tim is overlooked because he wasn't flashy. 03 Duncan is one of the most carry in league history run. Ended the kobe & shag lakers dynasty with a rookie ginobolli, 20 year old Parker and 37 year old Robinson WHO AVG 8 POINTS and not even a teammate finish top 30 in All-NBA voting led SA in every major statistic and to this day has the highest VORP and Win Shares of any playoff run ever.
In Kobe’s defense players either linked up or teams got better in his later years…. After Shaq he never played with a player that averaged at least 20ppg like almost every team had between 07-16
WILT CHAMBERLAIN FACED 29 HALL OF FAMERS.... ON THE TOP 75 GREATEST PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY.... PLUS THERE WAS 10 TO 17 TEAMS IN THE NBA WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!
Imo there is a GOAT at every position. Young athletic MJ would have given any version of Kobe great problems so I'll give him the GOAT 2 guard. Magic GOAT Point who can play every position. Bird GOAT SF who can dominate inside outside and importantly without dominating the ball. Duncan has to be the GOAT Power Forward but I'm excited to see what Wemby could do with a strong true center on his teams. Wilt imo has to be the GOAT Center and despite people and media trying to make it a Kareem Hakeem tossup it was clear old Wilt locking up Kareem says something about prime Wilt. Unbeatable records. Lots of players with legendary moments but only one player ever talked about like a myth.
Hi ! I just had this conversation LeBron vs Kobe. True Kobe had a losing record against LeBron, and LeBron had better performances. But, that's not the end of the story. 2006 Bron had his best scoring season average performance 31.4ppg 2006 was arguably the best career Season of Kobe and he win his 1st scoring title with 35ppg. 2007 Bron make it to the finals, and got swept. 2007 2nd scoring title for Kobe 2008 1st scoring title for Bron 2008 1st MVP for Kobe and 1st final without Shaq, but lose. Also led the US team to olympics gold medal. 2009 Bron 1st MVP 2009 Kobe 4th ring and 1st final MVP 2010 Bron 2nd MVP 2010 Kobe back to back ring 2nd finals MVP. Prime vs prime Bron was better Kobe was greater.
Were any of the guys on that 04 Piston team make the top 75 all time? No. This video was about all the top 75 players he played against, so since he had an overall dominate record over the 33 top 75 all time players, it makes him a GOAT slayer. One bad final series doesn’t change the narrative of this video. You people are just slow.
@@talkditingsdem5799 That's a example to show I think he was not a goat Slayer just as you stated he couldn't even beat the Pistons with having 4 hall of famers on the same team , Duncan had a better career in my opinion Kobe may not even be the best player of His generation ..
@@michaelryce6835 How did Duncan have a better career? Because you say so? Kobe did more with less. Kobe had 1 NBA hall of famer on a 3 year tear of the league. He went to the finals three years in a row with Pau Gasol. Tim Duncan had a stack team his entire career and never had to rebuild like Kobe. Kobe can single handily beat a team, can Tim Duncan or any other NBA player besides Michael Jordan can do that? So when Kobe lost to the Pistons, did he not have Shaq, Malone, Gary Payton ect. or was it just Kobe’s team and he single handily let the Pistons outplay him? Did you even watch the video? Did you not see what all Kobe accomplished against all these top 33 players (which he played against the most top 75 players of all time)? But you want to bring up something that’s irrelevant to the content of the video because you’re hurt that Kobe use to outperform whoever your favorite player is.
@@talkditingsdem5799 Great debate Duncan had more MVP's more Finals MVP, Kobe was a dysfunction player,Tim Duncan came in and changed the Spurs for better during the 3peat Kobe wasn't the best player on the team his selfishness caused the Lakers to have to rebuild
@@michaelryce6835 First of all MVP’s are a popularity contest so to me that’s null and void. Secondly Tim Duncan came into a team that was established, with an established coach (Pop) his rookie year roster consist of David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, Chuck Person, Malik Rose, Vinny Del Negro, Corey Alexander and Monty Williams. He had a hall of fame coach and THREE future NBA coaches (Vinny Del Negro, Monty Williams and Avery Johnson) on his team his rookie year. So what you talking about he came in and change the Spurs for the better? His team was established and Tim Duncan was just gifted to Coach Pop by the league, just like Wemby. Thirdly Kobe wouldn’t win a finals mvp with Shaq on his team even if Kobe averaged 100 points the entire finals. Shaq was known for his dominance and at that time Kobe was still considered a Robin to Shaq, which numbers showed that was far from the truth. Kobe won 2 finals mvp without Shaq and 2 rings without Shaq. Tim Duncan and the Spurs was gifted superstar after superstar when Duncan joined the Spurs, they literally never rebuild until after Duncan retired. Kobe was a complete different animal and he need little to nothing to be successful in his prime. The league never liked Kobe and didn’t like that he wouldn’t get on board with the league’s politics. If he was a Sambo Kobe would be treasured by the NBA but instead they continue to shame him even after his death and paint a false narrative about his legacy which has people like you discrediting all of his accomplishments. Kobe was the next thing to Michael Jordan and all of y’all know it, that is why y’all continue to shit on his name.
Can we just take a second to wonder if Allen Iverson was ever the size of Jordan Kobe or Vince Carter! considering he was undersized outscoring and matched up with these people?
I didn’t watch the video but I just wanna say this. MJ🐐 vs Kobe SCORING TITLES MJ 10 (most all time) 👈 KB 2 CAREER SCORING AVERAGE MJ 30.1 (highest ever) 👈 KB 25.0 PLAYOFF SCORING AVERAGE MJ 33.4 (highest ever) 👈 KB 25.6 HIGHEST PPG IN THE FINALS MJ in 93 41.0 (highest ever) 👈 KB in 09 32.4 MOST POINTS IN A GAME Jordan 69 Kobe 81 👈 MOST 60 POINT GAMES Jordan 5 Kobe 6 👈 MOST 50 POINT GAMES Jordan 31 👈 Kobe 25 MOST 40 POINT GAMES Jordan 173 👈 Kobe 122 MOST 30 POINT GAMES Jordan 562 👈 Kobe 431 MOST POINTS SCORED IN SEASON MJ 3,041 86-87 👈 KB 2,832 05-06 REBOUNDS MJ 6,772 KB 7,047👈 ASSISTS MJ 5,633 KB 6,306👈 STEALS MJ 2,514👈 KB 1,944 BLOCKS MJ 893👈 KB 640 SEASONS MJ 15 KB 20 Also please don’t forget Kobe patterned his WHOLE GAME after MJ’s . He said it himself in The Last Dance. Everything you get from me is from him. So pretty much he was younger than MJ🐐and using his own moves against him. FACTS💯 So in my eyes Kobe was great, a great COPYCAT! RIP 24 🙏🏾 but I gotta keep it 💯with your fans that don’t seem to realize your game wasn’t even your own. It was JORDAN’S 🐐
@12savage68 When guarding each other on iso plays, Kobe scored 20 points on 27 plays while lebron scored 7 points on 13 plays. Kobe had.74 points per play when lebron guarded him and lebron had .54 points per play when Kobe guarded him. When guarding each other, Kobe had fg% of 54% while lebron had a fg% of 27%.
He won though. He did more with less while facing the best competition in the Western Conference. The goal is to win not just shoot a high field goal percentage.
@@GS-mh6ub but there are OTHERS that WON AND shot more EFFECIENTLY so again why would kOBE be the GOAT?.. he had SHAQ for what? 3-4 of his rings, two top 10 players off all time on the same team. more with less? ridiculous. FANDOM is RIDICULOUS.
@@GS-mh6ub i agree. winning is everything. but again, others have MORE rings and or BETTER stats.. that is why Jordan is the GOAT and Larry Bird is the most all around player ever. they WON, and STATS.. and Bird faced TOUGH comp in the 80s.
Fg don't mean shit because Kobe will take you all the way to the chip and when it matters he'll play insane defense and can make any shot in basketball
As a Lakers fan, I didn't like seeing Duncan's winning record over Kobe. But I'll take those three beatdowns we gave the Spurs in the playoffs. Kobe demolished them so many times when it really counted
the spurs never went through a rebuild during Duncan's era, unlike Kobe and the Lakers between the years Shaq left and Pau Gasol arrived in LA. Bean was definitely the spurs killer tho when it mattered
@@sirfrescobar4830 That's the thing. Kobe had to endure multiple rebuilds, yet still win a lot. I respect Duncan so much, but with the same core plus adding key pieces, I put Kobe higher because of that particular reason.
@@axelgiosido4997 That's to Duncan's credit. He was gonna win regardless. Tim Duncan never seen a losing season won 3 championships in 3 decades. He's more top 5 worthy than Kobe is respectfully. An Yes I like Kobe but guys like Duncan Magic Jordan Russell they didn't see losing seasons as often as superstars today.
@@Nastynorth3Spurs won 60 games and made WCF in 1995 2 seasons before drafting TD and won 60 games and made WCF the season after he retired in 2017 read that again the spurs cut TD from the roster and were the 2nd best team in the NBA to KD GSW which if Zaza didn’t injure Kahwi I think they win it all
@@sirfrescobar4830 No player in league history won more than 1 title without a current All-NBA teammate by their side.
Apart from Duncan, who did it 4 times.
Top 5 player of All Time
Tim is overlooked because he wasn't flashy.
03 Duncan is one of the most carry in league history run. Ended the kobe & shag lakers dynasty with a rookie ginobolli, 20 year old Parker and 37 year old Robinson WHO AVG 8 POINTS and not even a teammate finish top 30 in All-NBA voting led SA in every major statistic and to this day has the highest VORP and Win Shares of any playoff run ever.
I’ve said this for years that you can make a case for Kobe being the goat and this video is strong evidence for it
Kobe could never be the goat because he’s an inferior Jordan.
Basketball is a team sport. It not like Kobe can played in the easy East and stack all-stars as teammates
😂😂😂 Fam Jordan won when it was Shaq and Kobe 😂😂😂 Kobe didn't win the head to head overall match up wise until Jordan was wizards Jordan 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️😂😂😂
Facts 💯
@@LIFEWITHMIA111 You're comparing an 18-20 year old kobe to jordan? REALLY? also Phil was HC for chicago
24 minute video about Kobe I see it I see it! Rip OG Kobe!
In Kobe’s defense players either linked up or teams got better in his later years…. After Shaq he never played with a player that averaged at least 20ppg like almost every team had between 07-16
You gotta hit a mill with this one, great idea
MJ Kobe Lebron Duncan Dwade Iverson top players
you mean your FAVORITE players cuz Larry Bird got BETTER all around stats than ALL OF THEM.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂wade and Iverson and lebrick no magic Shaq Kareem I'll take bird over those three
@@phonehome7097 every day any day
@@phonehome7097wade better than magic Johnson Al better than bird
@darkballerz wade not better than Magic
i mean yeah those last seasons after achilles tear really effected kobe's record
Today is 8/23/24 Kobe's Birthday 🎂🎈.
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This video was heat. Definitely need to make this a series
Awesome video, suprised this has this few views
Only been up for a few days hasn't It been? Give It time ;)
I think i remember seeing that Iverson also gave MJ the business in their match ups. AI was just fearless against all the greats
AI is lucky that he faced Jordan in his 30's and at 40. Iverson would've been cooked versus a 25 year old Jordan.
awesome idea for vid. def need Mike and Bron
Great video.
Great topic
Great video. Forgot 1, Robert Parish in his rookie season 💯
Kobe won despite of the dysfunction of the Lakers. I could only imagine if the Lakers organization were stable like the Spurs.
if that is dysfnction for you imagine jordan winning a three peat vs the management
I love it GOAT Slayer I'm so tired about GOAT debates hehe kobe Bryant the GOAT Slayer
WILT CHAMBERLAIN FACED 29 HALL OF FAMERS.... ON THE TOP 75 GREATEST PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY.... PLUS THERE WAS 10 TO 17 TEAMS IN THE NBA WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!
Imo there is a GOAT at every position. Young athletic MJ would have given any version of Kobe great problems so I'll give him the GOAT 2 guard. Magic GOAT Point who can play every position. Bird GOAT SF who can dominate inside outside and importantly without dominating the ball. Duncan has to be the GOAT Power Forward but I'm excited to see what Wemby could do with a strong true center on his teams. Wilt imo has to be the GOAT Center and despite people and media trying to make it a Kareem Hakeem tossup it was clear old Wilt locking up Kareem says something about prime Wilt. Unbeatable records. Lots of players with legendary moments but only one player ever talked about like a myth.
Mamba Forever!! 💛💜💛💜
Kobe vs Duncan and Jordan was his best challenges
How when playing against Lebron wasn't even competitive
What About "Chuck"?
"A.I."? "The Answer"?
Kobe Even Said Chuck Brought Out His Killer Instinct
Man that move Kobe did 12:30 was 🔥🔥🔥 maybe the most skilled ever along with Kyrie and Jordan!!😅
Kobe top 10 all time ... That's for sure.
Kobe played way better competition and more teams than MJ
Hi ! I just had this conversation LeBron vs Kobe.
True Kobe had a losing record against LeBron, and LeBron had better performances.
But, that's not the end of the story.
2006 Bron had his best scoring season average performance 31.4ppg
2006 was arguably the best career Season of Kobe and he win his 1st scoring title with 35ppg.
2007 Bron make it to the finals, and got swept.
2007 2nd scoring title for Kobe
2008 1st scoring title for Bron
2008 1st MVP for Kobe and 1st final without Shaq, but lose. Also led the US team to olympics gold medal.
2009 Bron 1st MVP
2009 Kobe 4th ring and 1st final MVP
2010 Bron 2nd MVP
2010 Kobe back to back ring 2nd finals MVP.
Prime vs prime Bron was better Kobe was greater.
the only thing about the vs lebron was how many of those games were after the achillies injury or and with wade and bosh.
Lebron still had an 8-5 before Miami
@@suprrremlibo that’s fine but being 1-8 after is a lot different pace than that
Goat Slayer not quite that 04 lost to the Pistons His average in the Finals is not impressive
Were any of the guys on that 04 Piston team make the top 75 all time? No. This video was about all the top 75 players he played against, so since he had an overall dominate record over the 33 top 75 all time players, it makes him a GOAT slayer. One bad final series doesn’t change the narrative of this video. You people are just slow.
@@talkditingsdem5799 That's a example to show I think he was not a goat Slayer just as you stated he couldn't even beat the Pistons with having 4 hall of famers on the same team , Duncan had a better career in my opinion Kobe may not even be the best player of His generation ..
@@michaelryce6835 How did Duncan have a better career? Because you say so? Kobe did more with less. Kobe had 1 NBA hall of famer on a 3 year tear of the league. He went to the finals three years in a row with Pau Gasol. Tim Duncan had a stack team his entire career and never had to rebuild like Kobe. Kobe can single handily beat a team, can Tim Duncan or any other NBA player besides Michael Jordan can do that?
So when Kobe lost to the Pistons, did he not have Shaq, Malone, Gary Payton ect. or was it just Kobe’s team and he single handily let the Pistons outplay him? Did you even watch the video? Did you not see what all Kobe accomplished against all these top 33 players (which he played against the most top 75 players of all time)? But you want to bring up something that’s irrelevant to the content of the video because you’re hurt that Kobe use to outperform whoever your favorite player is.
@@talkditingsdem5799 Great debate Duncan had more MVP's more Finals MVP, Kobe was a dysfunction player,Tim Duncan came in and changed the Spurs for better during the 3peat Kobe wasn't the best player on the team his selfishness caused the Lakers to have to rebuild
@@michaelryce6835 First of all MVP’s are a popularity contest so to me that’s null and void. Secondly Tim Duncan came into a team that was established, with an established coach (Pop) his rookie year roster consist of David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, Chuck Person, Malik Rose, Vinny Del Negro, Corey Alexander and Monty Williams. He had a hall of fame coach and THREE future NBA coaches (Vinny Del Negro, Monty Williams and Avery Johnson) on his team his rookie year. So what you talking about he came in and change the Spurs for the better? His team was established and Tim Duncan was just gifted to Coach Pop by the league, just like Wemby.
Thirdly Kobe wouldn’t win a finals mvp with Shaq on his team even if Kobe averaged 100 points the entire finals. Shaq was known for his dominance and at that time Kobe was still considered a Robin to Shaq, which numbers showed that was far from the truth. Kobe won 2 finals mvp without Shaq and 2 rings without Shaq. Tim Duncan and the Spurs was gifted superstar after superstar when Duncan joined the Spurs, they literally never rebuild until after Duncan retired. Kobe was a complete different animal and he need little to nothing to be successful in his prime.
The league never liked Kobe and didn’t like that he wouldn’t get on board with the league’s politics. If he was a Sambo Kobe would be treasured by the NBA but instead they continue to shame him even after his death and paint a false narrative about his legacy which has people like you discrediting all of his accomplishments. Kobe was the next thing to Michael Jordan and all of y’all know it, that is why y’all continue to shit on his name.
Can we just take a second to wonder if Allen Iverson was ever the size of Jordan Kobe or Vince Carter! considering he was undersized outscoring and matched up with these people?
peep the length of the vid
If kobe would got point guard the west would been on lock
Randy Orton
I didn’t watch the video but I just wanna say this.
MJ🐐 vs Kobe
SCORING TITLES
MJ 10 (most all time) 👈
KB 2
CAREER SCORING AVERAGE
MJ 30.1 (highest ever) 👈
KB 25.0
PLAYOFF SCORING AVERAGE
MJ 33.4 (highest ever) 👈
KB 25.6
HIGHEST PPG IN THE FINALS
MJ in 93 41.0 (highest ever) 👈
KB in 09 32.4
MOST POINTS IN A GAME
Jordan 69
Kobe 81 👈
MOST 60 POINT GAMES
Jordan 5
Kobe 6 👈
MOST 50 POINT GAMES
Jordan 31 👈
Kobe 25
MOST 40 POINT GAMES
Jordan 173 👈
Kobe 122
MOST 30 POINT GAMES
Jordan 562 👈
Kobe 431
MOST POINTS SCORED IN SEASON
MJ 3,041 86-87 👈
KB 2,832 05-06
REBOUNDS
MJ 6,772
KB 7,047👈
ASSISTS
MJ 5,633
KB 6,306👈
STEALS
MJ 2,514👈
KB 1,944
BLOCKS
MJ 893👈
KB 640
SEASONS
MJ 15
KB 20
Also please don’t forget Kobe patterned his WHOLE GAME after MJ’s . He said it himself in The Last Dance. Everything you get from me is from him. So pretty much he was younger than MJ🐐and using his own moves against him. FACTS💯 So in my eyes Kobe was great, a great COPYCAT! RIP 24 🙏🏾 but I gotta keep it 💯with your fans that don’t seem to realize your game wasn’t even your own. It was JORDAN’S 🐐
All that and kobe still smashed him 😂😂 kobe the goat
10:01 😂😂
Dwade>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe
🤦♂
Lebron had a winning records against Kobe even before joining the miami heat 🙃
*Kobe had an overall record of 39-43, not 41 bro
I want to see lebrons record because I always thought he had a losing record against the west all stars
Kobe went 6-16 v LeBron with worst stats in every category except ft %
@@12savage68 including minutes…he played 4 less minutes
@12savage68 When guarding each other on iso plays, Kobe scored 20 points on 27 plays while lebron scored 7 points on 13 plays. Kobe had.74 points per play when lebron guarded him and lebron had .54 points per play when Kobe guarded him. When guarding each other, Kobe had fg% of 54% while lebron had a fg% of 27%.
@@SilentMovements305 16-6
How'd Anthony Davis get on the list???
U should came on michael jordan fans are the best there was a debate blk mamba vs duncan
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 y’all are sad ash
I know the revisionist history and the stat counters gonna rewrite history …: but AI used to bust his head
Dal Harris gotta be the biggest clown ever 😂 how you sit kobe teo complete games
Whose the player he never beat?
Nash Def robbed kobe of that 1 mvp..
Timeout don't count the years with Shaq, only the years after Shaq left, when he was the best player on the team
Kobe shot 43% from the floor for his career. if he is your GOAT then you have low standards
He won though. He did more with less while facing the best competition in the Western Conference. The goal is to win not just shoot a high field goal percentage.
@@GS-mh6ub but there are OTHERS that WON AND shot more EFFECIENTLY so again why would kOBE be the GOAT?.. he had SHAQ for what? 3-4 of his rings, two top 10 players off all time on the same team. more with less? ridiculous. FANDOM is RIDICULOUS.
@@GS-mh6ub i agree. winning is everything. but again, others have MORE rings and or BETTER stats..
that is why Jordan is the GOAT
and Larry Bird is the most all around player ever. they WON, and STATS.. and Bird faced TOUGH comp in the 80s.
He did more with less. That's just a fact. 3 finals appearances twice, once with no top 75 teammate. Can't say same for mj or super team lebron
Fg don't mean shit because Kobe will take you all the way to the chip and when it matters he'll play insane defense and can make any shot in basketball
Wrong wrong and more wrong
Kobe even with Shaq did not win a chip while MJ was on that Bulls uniform
Ah he was off the bench daf kid. Hahaha! How would he win.
Phil Jackson was the Bulls coach. Props to Phil Jackson though he coached legends to dynasties
@@melvynsngltn27Phil Jackson is easily the best NBA coach of all time
Maybe just Maybe it's because phil was still coaching Chicago
Maybe just Maybe it's because phil was still coaching Chicago