It's not actually true that in Stargate universe societies with wind power tech at most could traverse galaxies. The stargates operated in Milky Way with seven chevrons but needed external power source to use the 8th chevron to dial a gate in another galaxy. The power requirements were immense do dial other galaxies were immense, e.g. using a ZPM.
@@chheinrich8486 I credit the Wraith for being a good creative attempt to go down a different route to what Stargate had done before with villains. They weren't just another race seeking to be worshipped, and they also were fairly scary as space vampires
@@AeneasGemini Supreme lost opportunity was Ori vs. Wraith - they had clearly conflicting goals. Wraith feeding on source of power for Ori continuation of Wraith vs. Ancients.
The best part of the Ori religion was that the various passages of the Book of Origin quoted by priors were usually, in some way, correct - the book was compiled by the Ori themselves, after all, and they must have realized that using fundamentally true things to justify untrue ones strengthens the faith considerably.
I adore the way the show demonstrates this. On multiple occasions, Daniel uses the Ori's own words against their priors. Talking about how the Ori preach goodness and temperance, all while the Priors act like tyraniccal torturers. It doesn't change their mind of course, but it hits so close to home where religious words written perhaps with the intention of doing good, are twisted and used to support evil acts.
_Teal'c: "There never usually are rules in war."_ _Mitchell: "Unfortunately right now, there is no war. In a war, you have two sides fighting. All we have is a lot of winning by the bad guys."_ The Ori were *indeed* an interesting antagonist in the later seasons of SG1 & Ark of Truth. Similar yet different to the Goa'uld, they posed a formidable threat for Stargate Command to be able to overcome.
I really liked that they were an ideological threat in addition to just a military threat. The Goa'uld ruled through purely through fear, and while the Ori were hardly benevolent, you could still see how a society would actually want to choose to accept their rule, and be glad they did it. Really added an interesting dimension, and made them even more scary imo
@@datfisheboi6519 I always felt that they were a bit of cheap analogue for Christianity (or rather, only the worst parts of it). I feel they could've had a lot more depth I would've preferred if they had actually shown the Ori in perhaps a more positive light, or (more specifically) still have them be evil, but still showed people who benefited greatly (both spiritually and practically) from their teachings/tech.
@@AeneasGemini The Ori were definitely very... Christian-coded in their aesthetics, but I honestly think that's just more due to the cultural biases of the writers than a statement of their actual belief. Personally, I read the Ori more as an example of fundamentalists using religion as a means for totalitarian control, rather than a criticism of religion in general or Christianity specifically, since it didn't really seem like they had much in common with Christianity specifically aside from vibes.
@@AeneasGemini I do agree they could've done more to show their positive, or perceived positive aspects. Like, maybe you can have a prior who is actually helping the community they're stationed at due to the goodness of their heart, but is still brainwashed by Ori propoganda, or after the fall, you can have some cultures still follow a reformed version of Origin, saying like "Hey, those guys sucked, but I think this book has some nice stuff in it!" I think this would've been nice, but it's not like the lack of these moments ruined it for me, since I never really saw it as an attack on religion or Christianity in general
@@datfisheboi6519 They did handle that one pretty well in my mind with the conversion to Prior and the redemption of the Jaffa played by Louis Gossett Jr. The character did honestly think he was helping his people by accepting origin, and even when he rebelled against origin to cure the disease in Stargate Command, he maintained that he did what he did for the betterment of his people, just that he did not know all his choice would bring about.
“...and those who are prideful and refuse to bow down shall be laid low and made unto dust." “...then did Tilius say to the people of the low plains: seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors, lest it find purchase in your own house."
That was a great episode, Daniel was one of the few Priors who actually taught Origin in a way that it could indeed be beneficial as a faith (ironically)
@@AeneasGemini While Stargate was simple entertainment, guility pleasure, it was on many ocassions far more subtle, intelligent, thoughtful than people give it credit for.
After watching through series 7 to 10 it was so satisfying to see the Odyssey tear into the Ori motherships. Once again, finally, humanity fighting back and taking names!!
stargate is one of my favorite sci fi franchises. sg-1 will always have a special place in my heart please do more of these videos, and if i may suggest topics: the goauld, the asgard, BC-304 (deadalus) class starships, and high command videos about TAURI-GOAULD conflict of the battle of atlantis at the end of season 1 of stargate atlantis
And of course, the Stargate network itself and the state of hyperdrive technology that makes it relevant, plus the eons of conflicts fought over control of such technology longer after the Ancients left, or something.
Man Stargate was really cool.. You can tell whoever came up with this stuff was really passionate about creating a interesting and rich world. It may have been a little goofy at times but it had wayyy more heart than anything coming out recently. Why can't modern scifi be more like this? Everything nowadays just feels generic and like a cash grab
Part of it is the western media after 9/11. It got a lot darker and more self serious. It is too uncritical of the U.S military and some of the villains are just too stupid. Such a light hearted(usually) adventure just doesn't fit as well in the current media landscape.
I dunno. It was really campy, cheesy, and irreverent. I prefer the more serious and mature tone of modern content TBH. The tone of a video like this is much more serious than Stargate ever was. It was almost like a kids show in its tone.
Daniel Jackson: “In my own humble opinion, I don’t believe that any individual or society can achieve enlightenment through fear-mongering and forced servitude no matter what power is presented as evidence.”
Best episode of SG-1 was when O'Neal and Teal'c got caught in a time loop and eventually decided to take advantage of that fact and started doing stuff they could otherwise never get away with, like hitting golf balls through the stargate lol
@@phillipwagner6669 I believe the exchange went like this: General Hammond: "Colonel O'Neil what the hell are you doing?!" O'Neil: *Outraged at the interruption* "On my backswing!?"
Great video, but you didn't mention the fact the only reason the omniscient and nearly omnipotent ascended Ori didn't defeat everyone immediately was that the Ancients were locked in a permanent stalemate of wills, being countered. This was the reason they sought more power.
And if the Ancients had not protected them from the Ori themselves, the war would have ended- they would have burned everyone with one click before it started.
Honestly, the major problem with the Ori was the way they were beaten, the whole "Ark of Truth" thing was a massive cop out. Whether or not the Ori were gods was always subjective (Daniel even says they meet the definition of Godhood), so to say that it was simply "true" that they weren't Gods was a massively cheap ending.
Well, the Ori told all that they where being ascended aswell when they died. The Doci thought so, as did all the priors and all the people the Ori enslaved. They didn't. They lied. They just wanted their worship (because for some dumb reason it gave them more "power"). That's what the Arc showed the Doci at the end and he was directly linked with every Prior in the universe.
@@Mukation this is correct, the ark did not doubt the definition of the Ori’s godhood but it did show the truth on the Ori’s true nature, the lies they had told and how they had been using the people to that end and everything that was taught to them was a lie
My personal theory is that the Sangraal didn't actually destroy the Ori, but rather de-ascended them instead. They would've reverted back to their psychical forms with no memories of who they are, while others might have ended in up in a similar state like Anubis.
@@barbiquearea Maybe Adria simply assumed they were destroyed. From what I understand, Ascended beings aren't omniscient. Otherwise, someone like Oma Desala wouldn't have gotten deceived by Anubis.
Factions I would like to see next: 1. The Locust Horde | Gears of War 2. The Union of Independent Republics | Gears of War 3. The Goa'uld | Stargate 4. The Space Wolves | Warhammer 40K 5. The Yuuzhan Vong Empire | Star Wars
I’d love to see more of the alteran split. I’ve always imagined they were a caste based society, ranked on progression towards ascension according to the teachings of the Holy Book: origin. Supreme were a priestly caste charged with guiding the evolution of their race. Below them were a caste of scientists and philosophers, their task was to discover and invent new technologies. Over time the scientists made discoveries that contradicted Origin. They presented their findings to their people... the Priests did not take it well. They condemned the scientists and turned all the other castes against them. Faced with war against their entire race the scientists chose exile and They became the ancients. Both races eventually ascended but with their superior understanding the ancients reached higher levels. The Ori couldn’t stand that, the idea there were things they might be wrong about was a direct attack on their beliefs. Lacking the power to win the Ori resorted to draining energy from lower beings to equal the ancients.
I thought they were very interesting Bunch because they're essentially what would happen if the Ancients had decided instead of ascending to try to take over the universe. It also makes sense that with the Ancients there would be those who would disagree with the mainline populations beliefs and plans, so the fact that the Alterans are technically separatists who left is highly amusing given that the "Separatists" eventually managed to make galaxy changing tools and weapons. "All Hallow the Ori"
Well if I would eventually go the ori consideration route I would go with that the ori had a legitly good reason to separate from then alterians with how a lot of athiests can have a superiority complex in regards to religion and it makes sense alot of ancients would be like that as well and oh s### I just remember that was one of the points in the audio for a video I forgot I had.
I loved that one scene where they are showing the free jaffa the guns and they finally give a reasonable explanation why staff energy weapons suck: "This is a weapon of terror." (Shows P90) "This is a weapon of war." Really good scene, including telling the assembled crowds 'If you've been on the receiving end of these weapons, you know what I'm talking about.' It was a nice plausible reason why the frontline weapon of an advanced alien race was actually trash compared to a primitive slug thrower: It was always meant to be all show.
When I first saw the episode, I assumed the spelling was "Aurae". Which would literally mean "golden ones", which is appropriate enough, but also draws inference to "aura", implying beings of light or pure energy, which is literally what they are. Either way, a very appropriate name.
@@Monk-E Allah and God are the same god. It still owes me a bill for the damage to the pyramids his crusading Spainsh wrecked. You have any idea what that's done to my credit? the last one wasn't fully paid off yet!!. I Hate it when Loki up north keep reminding me about it!! I
What always got me about the Ori is the observation that their _reactor room_ looks like the _exotic particle reactor_ (from Stargate Atlantis early S2) Eother the toilet ships _plug straight into the Ori themselves_ for power or they've perfected those bleed torsion reactors.
Ori are Ancients, and are interacting more directly. The Ori likely used the Priors to convert the material provided by the local people into the supertech needed for the war
Its very close to coming back. The writers are pitching a new Stargate series with pretty much all of the original big actors coming back to Amazon right now. It's the closest the show has ever been to coming back.
@@akiramasashi9317 I am concerned what Amazon might do to it aswell but several of the original writers and directors are the ones sheparding this through to Amazon. Brad Wright one of the big ones has been very vocal about keeping the original feel of the shows and including the original cast. I think if Amazon went to far with crazy changes he would push back or stop the show.
@@questionmark05 If you are talking of Ark, it will be another lost in space misery porn like SG:U was, 90% drama, 10% sci-fi. By the time they revealed an interesting plot point the show was canned, because nobody could stomach the focus on the drama. Doesn't matter how many original crew and cast you bring back, Ridley Scott can make shitty new movies too...
One of my favorite things about the Ori was how they were found and how the Milky Way was subsequently found, one of the best of the later seasons for sure.
Just a small note: The Priors themselves were not artificially created humans. They were naturally born humans who were deemed "worthy" by the Ori to spread their word, and were artificially evolved to the point of near ascension. That artificial evolution is what gave them their powers.
It would be awesome if The Templin Institute would take a look at the Galactic Empire and Free Planets Alliance from Legend of the Galactic Heroes. I know is an old Ova but it would fit right on this channel with how well thought out the lore, politics and logistics of war are on that anime. A deeper analysis would be welcome since not many talk about it.
_Legend_ annoyed me because the first episode tried to sell the audience on how awesome the main characters were... by making all their superiors into complete morons. Which I didn't mind, until they told us that this wasn't the beginning of the war, it was just another engagement in a long, hard fought war. Which means the total incompetents _should_ have been dead or at least been moved somewhere they couldn't break anything. The story gets better, later, but that intro really rubs me the wrong way.
@@boobah5643 I see what you mean. However, I always thought the reason the FPA was able to put up a fight against the Galactic Empire was because of the incompetence from the Empire. Spoilers, but is no wonder that after Lohengram became the emperor and appointed actually competent admirals that you see the Empire make strides and actually win the war. I know they had to go through Pezzan to accomplish it, but the Empire always had the bigger army and more men. Makes sense that all the previous incompetent aristocrats could afford to throw them to the meat grinder.
My personal theory is that the Sangraal didn't actually destroy the Ori, but rather descended them instead. They would've reverted back to their psychical forms while others might have ended in up in a similar state like Anubis.
If anything, aren't the Alterans an offshoot of the Ori? Alteran meaning "other" and all, and Ori I assume being related to the word "origin" or "original".
I think that's the Ori's point. They want to make it seem that they came first, that before them there was nothing. Probably trying to erase the existence of the Alterans.
Nah, they make a point that the Ori where very few compared to the size of the Alterans. That's why they could never beat the Alterans even when they had ascended, they where to few. But i get your point. it's never explained if the Alterans where people who over generations stopped being religious (and the Ori simply being the ones who remaind religous) or if the Ori where ancients who started to think religious beliefs where more important that science?
@@Mukation I like to imagine the Alterans started leaving their home galaxy when the Ori began using biological warfare against them. Apparently part of the reason they all ascended in the first place was because the Ori developed a special plague that only they could cure which as shown in the show wrecked havoc on unbelievers.
Think of the Catholic Church during the Middle ages but if they had super powers. But not only superpowers not only but their priests have literal god-like powers. Not only that but they burn you publicly and they make you pray. publicly and they suppress all forms of technology all forms of science. Burn away your history books and from the past destroy anything that predates. Christianity but not only that they literally have the power to build spaceships. And their motto is innocence proves nothing.
A lot of people dipped out after what effectively was the series finale. I view everything after the defeat of the Replicators as a giant epilogue, but a really decent one. As the show itself joked about later, the first era of the series really ended with the original SG-1 going fishing.
One of my most dominating evil empires was one that was kind of a fusion of ori and goauld, Necrophage conversion based, but a unified empire without infighting, led to the whole galaxy being directly enslaved or vassalized
2:25 wait, Im confused, Aeryn from Farscape? or was this the same actress (Claudia Black, she can keep my peace any day, meow) on an episode of SG:1 or Atlantis I cant remember?
I hope that the next instalment of Stargate is as dark as Universe and as action packed as SG-1. It was great seeing Carter and O'Neill acting pragmatic, something that we rarely saw in SG-1 or Atlantis.
Universe was not great when it started but started getting better towards to the end of it's run. I hate when alot of scifi shows try to focus on character drama instead of trying to tell a compelling story. The execution was all wrong.
@@judaegekikamen4223 Exactly. Universe felt like I was watching a drama that just happened to be based in space. Though I can't really blame the show for that, since dramatification was the clear trend in TV post-2000, and SG1 and Atlantis were the last non-character-driven Sci-Fi holdouts.
I hope if they do a new series they get Tapping back to be the new General. I always thought it was bizarre she never got a crack at running the place. She was far and away the most qualified and honestly far too important to be put on the front line constantly at a certain point. She's definitely who I'd like to see running the place, with a close second being Cameron Mitchel (Bowder deserves to be in more stuff).
I always liked that the Ori and their Origin religion was pretty much a Sci-Fi version of Puritan Colonialism. I remember watching the series and was like "okay they have done most of the ancient gods, and even some Sumerian demons that are 'the devil's' contemporary, are they going to risk the wrath of Christians and suggest Jesus and God were also Goa'uld or maybe Tok'ra?" and then they went in this much more suggestive arch to still do an Abrahamic-esc Religion and a pseudo Christ figure kind of enemy without ever directly mentioning Christianity as modern Western Society knows it as a comparison like they did with ancient pagan religions earlier on.
@@revanreborn2548 I could totally see that. The ties to Puritans was more in the human cultural parallels like daily Prostration, no other text besides the Origin Dogma, things like that to limit the humans and force worship. And the general Abrahamic parallels most of the casting system of Priors being like the choirs of Angels, and Adria kind of filling a Christ figure purpose for the Ori's cause. Ori couldn't go into our Galaxy due to an agreement with the Ancients so instead the impregnat Vala and send her back to our Galaxy to have Adria and "open the gate" to the Ori's fleet and domination to side step the agreement and bring our Galaxy into their fold.
@@CartoonHero1986 A lot of the parallels you drew to Puritans could also be drawn to Islam. Islam still has angels, Adria would more akin to Mohammed in my parallels. I will say that having read up on the Puritans I sometimes question if they were truly Christian, a lot of how they taught did not line up with the actual texts of the Bible. Thus I can see how you could still make those parallels as well as they often behaved more like Radical Islam in trying to convert people.
@@revanreborn2548 Islam, just like Judaism and Christianity, is an Abrahamic religion and that's what definitely inspired the Ori. It's a blending of all of them with a dash of 40k inspiration, in my opinion.
We all deserve to see how the galaxies have changed since we last checked in with Home World Command, to see how the Free Jaffa Nation is faring and the societies within the Ori galaxy.
Am I the only one who made the A priori wordplay link (as in A prior of the Ori)? It makes sense because the whole schtick of the Ori is that their beliefs aren't based on empiricism (an a priori argument)
I rewatched the series recently and I have to say, not enough appreciation is given to the sound design. Those wonderful chunky THUNK THUNK THUNK sounds as bullets hit metal, the loud ripping sound of alien weapons that you can EASILY identify by audio only (seriously, every single energy weapon in the show you can hear from it's signature sound long before it's on screen), etc. It's all so top-tier, far better than a lot of movies to this day. I can't remember a recent film where I hear weapons fire muted in the distance and can go something like "Sounds like someone with a Staff is firing at someone with a Zat" or "That sounds like Asgard weaponry."
For a show about aliens SG was surprisingly thoughtful about religion and human dignity. That even amongst the stars superstitions would persist was very clever.
Few suggestions for you guys, the Qunari from Dragon age, Czerka Corporation from Starwars, Orca Pride from Andromeda, and Ravenclaw from Harry Potter.
It would have been interesting if the Wraith had found out about the Ori Galaxy (or vice versa) and gone there thinking "yummy, lots of primative Humans to feed upon" and both sides got a rude suprise. And what if either group had been discovered just a few decades earlier by the System Lords. Or either group came up against the Replicators. Then there's that super advanced Human civilisation which had no knowledge of Stargates, that secretly uses dropping the birth rate to take over planets. They would have a interesting time as well with other factions as they were powerful enough to wipe out all Goa'uld quickly in a alternate timeline, while being very good at being duplicitous, they may have been able to play the Ori. Really, Stargate Command should have just stayed in the Milky Way Galaxy for a while and consolidated their victory. A century or two to stabilise things, get a galactic alliance going and incorporate all the new tech and make a advanced Earth (that knows the secret) the centre of a new 'Federation', as well as dealing with all the problem civilisations within the galaxy.
They did stay in the Milky Way. Adria basically prank called the Ori galaxy and Daniel talked too much during said call. You could maybe counter with Pegasus but that was just a few hundred people and none of the threats (at the time of 1st contact with the Ori) could get to the Milky Way (or even know where it was).
The Aschen used Stargates. They used 'em as mass transport to carry loot from the planets they dominated home; specifically we see them dumping a freighter's worth of grain through one. They figured out less than the Tau'ri did, however: they never figured out how to manually compensate for stellar drift and so were very limited in what gates they could open.
"The power and the greatness of the Ori cannot be denied. Those who reject the Path to enlightenment must be destroyed." I loved the Ori. very Old Testament. fire and brimstone, jealous gods. :)
Am I the only one who gets Halo Covenant vibes with the Ori. I’ve never watched an episode of Stargate but just from this alone I see the resemblance. A religious almost cult like civilisation that worship the words of beings that lie in order to achieve higher power that ends up having a military used to fight in a war against humans and have weapons and tools that are far more technologically advanced. Dunno it just has that same vibe to it.
Just replace the elites and the grunts with poor medieval plebs that carry weapons that they belive channel the power of the god. And a ton of medieval christianity flavour.
No, The Covenant were very different in that theirs was a Genocidal conflict, it made Humanity's stand more poignant in knowing that it was also possibly a *last* stand. The Ori were just trying to convert the Milky Way, not destroy it
no no he is not wrong. The ori are literally everything that the prophet wanted to be : gods, and of course with no need to share powers with the elite or the rest. But of course the main difference is that the Ori were not doing a genocidal campaign and where more interested in religious workship so there power would grow.
The Dominion from Star Trek DS9 is more similar to the Ori Empire, though the Dominion Founders are actually mere mortals with superpowers, namely shapeshifting, rather than actual gods like the Ori.
if the air date is the time that the show happened concurrently then March 10th, 2006 was the date that the Ori invaded our galaxy and committed their own version of their Crusade on us. I can't believe how long it's been!
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It's not actually true that in Stargate universe societies with wind power tech at most could traverse galaxies. The stargates operated in Milky Way with seven chevrons but needed external power source to use the 8th chevron to dial a gate in another galaxy. The power requirements were immense do dial other galaxies were immense, e.g. using a ZPM.
P L E A S E make a video on ADVENT from XCOM 2!!!!
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Hallowed are the Ori
*Teal'c proceeds to drink scolding hot coffee from the pot*
Major Carter: "Teal'c isn't that hot?"
Teal'c: "extremely"
Vala: Of course Teal'c is that hot.
The Ori were great baddies, but I'll always retain a fondness for the Goa'uld as the OG Stargate villains 😊
With the wraith a close second
@@chheinrich8486 I credit the Wraith for being a good creative attempt to go down a different route to what Stargate had done before with villains. They weren't just another race seeking to be worshipped, and they also were fairly scary as space vampires
When I saw Baal trying to implant symbiont to Orici - dang, I cheered.
@@AeneasGemini Supreme lost opportunity was Ori vs. Wraith - they had clearly conflicting goals. Wraith feeding on source of power for Ori continuation of Wraith vs. Ancients.
Well it wouldn't even be a fight.
The best part of the Ori religion was that the various passages of the Book of Origin quoted by priors were usually, in some way, correct - the book was compiled by the Ori themselves, after all, and they must have realized that using fundamentally true things to justify untrue ones strengthens the faith considerably.
The best lie is hidden in the truth.
I adore the way the show demonstrates this. On multiple occasions, Daniel uses the Ori's own words against their priors. Talking about how the Ori preach goodness and temperance, all while the Priors act like tyraniccal torturers. It doesn't change their mind of course, but it hits so close to home where religious words written perhaps with the intention of doing good, are twisted and used to support evil acts.
_Teal'c: "There never usually are rules in war."_
_Mitchell: "Unfortunately right now, there is no war. In a war, you have two sides fighting. All we have is a lot of winning by the bad guys."_
The Ori were *indeed* an interesting antagonist in the later seasons of SG1 & Ark of Truth. Similar yet different to the Goa'uld, they posed a formidable threat for Stargate Command to be able to overcome.
I really liked that they were an ideological threat in addition to just a military threat. The Goa'uld ruled through purely through fear, and while the Ori were hardly benevolent, you could still see how a society would actually want to choose to accept their rule, and be glad they did it. Really added an interesting dimension, and made them even more scary imo
@@datfisheboi6519 I always felt that they were a bit of cheap analogue for Christianity (or rather, only the worst parts of it). I feel they could've had a lot more depth
I would've preferred if they had actually shown the Ori in perhaps a more positive light, or (more specifically) still have them be evil, but still showed people who benefited greatly (both spiritually and practically) from their teachings/tech.
@@AeneasGemini The Ori were definitely very... Christian-coded in their aesthetics, but I honestly think that's just more due to the cultural biases of the writers than a statement of their actual belief. Personally, I read the Ori more as an example of fundamentalists using religion as a means for totalitarian control, rather than a criticism of religion in general or Christianity specifically, since it didn't really seem like they had much in common with Christianity specifically aside from vibes.
@@AeneasGemini I do agree they could've done more to show their positive, or perceived positive aspects. Like, maybe you can have a prior who is actually helping the community they're stationed at due to the goodness of their heart, but is still brainwashed by Ori propoganda, or after the fall, you can have some cultures still follow a reformed version of Origin, saying like "Hey, those guys sucked, but I think this book has some nice stuff in it!"
I think this would've been nice, but it's not like the lack of these moments ruined it for me, since I never really saw it as an attack on religion or Christianity in general
@@datfisheboi6519 They did handle that one pretty well in my mind with the conversion to Prior and the redemption of the Jaffa played by Louis Gossett Jr.
The character did honestly think he was helping his people by accepting origin, and even when he rebelled against origin to cure the disease in Stargate Command, he maintained that he did what he did for the betterment of his people, just that he did not know all his choice would bring about.
Truly one of the greatest of shows and stories. Stargate was just fantastic
I 100% agree with you, it was awesome!
Was? Still is in my book.
“...and those who are prideful and refuse to bow down shall be laid low and made unto dust."
“...then did Tilius say to the people of the low plains: seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors, lest it find purchase in your own house."
That was a great episode, Daniel was one of the few Priors who actually taught Origin in a way that it could indeed be beneficial as a faith (ironically)
@@AeneasGemini While Stargate was simple entertainment, guility pleasure, it was on many ocassions far more subtle, intelligent, thoughtful than people give it credit for.
“Sir, they’re powering weapons.”
Sir, this is a Wendy's
...Worth a try.
Always thought the cursed offshoot of the Alterrans was an interesting route to go with.
After watching through series 7 to 10 it was so satisfying to see the Odyssey tear into the Ori motherships. Once again, finally, humanity fighting back and taking names!!
Especially since when the Ori first came to the Milly Way, their toilet bowl ships tore through the fleet of the heroes like it was nothing.
The Ori humans armies are technically a part of humanity, an evil part brainwashed by propaganda.
Cameron Mitchell: No, you're dark side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. but Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.
Lt colonel cam mictch
With d Jackson was there as well.
I didn't like him at first... for obvious reasons, but he really grew on me. especially the high school reunion.
@@darthjerh12 and of course this line too. imagine telling this religious extremist in the real world.
stargate is one of my favorite sci fi franchises. sg-1 will always have a special place in my heart
please do more of these videos, and if i may suggest topics: the goauld, the asgard, BC-304 (deadalus) class starships, and high command videos about TAURI-GOAULD conflict of the battle of atlantis at the end of season 1 of stargate atlantis
And of course, the Stargate network itself and the state of hyperdrive technology that makes it relevant, plus the eons of conflicts fought over control of such technology longer after the Ancients left, or something.
Man Stargate was really cool.. You can tell whoever came up with this stuff was really passionate about creating a interesting and rich world. It may have been a little goofy at times but it had wayyy more heart than anything coming out recently. Why can't modern scifi be more like this? Everything nowadays just feels generic and like a cash grab
Part of it is the western media after 9/11. It got a lot darker and more self serious. It is too uncritical of the U.S military and some of the villains are just too stupid.
Such a light hearted(usually) adventure just doesn't fit as well in the current media landscape.
Yes, I hope Hollywood does not let the JJ or Alex cockmans plague let near Stargate.
I dunno. It was really campy, cheesy, and irreverent. I prefer the more serious and mature tone of modern content TBH. The tone of a video like this is much more serious than Stargate ever was. It was almost like a kids show in its tone.
@@spacecadet2172 Have you seen the original movie? I think you'd like that more than the series.
Hallowed are the Ori.
Daniel Jackson: “In my own humble opinion, I don’t believe that any individual or society can achieve enlightenment through fear-mongering and forced servitude no matter what power is presented as evidence.”
Best episode of SG-1 was when O'Neal and Teal'c got caught in a time loop and eventually decided to take advantage of that fact and started doing stuff they could otherwise never get away with, like hitting golf balls through the stargate lol
General Hammond: "Colonel O'NEIL WHAT ARE YOU DOING!"
Colonel O'Neil: "I'M IMPROVING MY DAMN SWING SIR!
God I love jack O'neil's witty personality!
@@phillipwagner6669 I believe the exchange went like this:
General Hammond: "Colonel O'Neil what the hell are you doing?!"
O'Neil: *Outraged at the interruption* "On my backswing!?"
@@twilightgryphon No it was,
O'Neill: "IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BACKSWING?"
It’s O’Neill with two L’s. The other guy has no sense of humor.
@@winters1942, this was the accurate quote.
I'm a simple man. I see Stargate content on the Templin Institute channel, I hit that like button.
Great video, but you didn't mention the fact the only reason the omniscient and nearly omnipotent ascended Ori didn't defeat everyone immediately was that the Ancients were locked in a permanent stalemate of wills, being countered. This was the reason they sought more power.
And if the Ancients had not protected them from the Ori themselves, the war would have ended- they would have burned everyone with one click before it started.
Love seeing Stargate content from you guys ♥️
Honestly, the major problem with the Ori was the way they were beaten, the whole "Ark of Truth" thing was a massive cop out.
Whether or not the Ori were gods was always subjective (Daniel even says they meet the definition of Godhood), so to say that it was simply "true" that they weren't Gods was a massively cheap ending.
Well, the Ori told all that they where being ascended aswell when they died. The Doci thought so, as did all the priors and all the people the Ori enslaved.
They didn't. They lied. They just wanted their worship (because for some dumb reason it gave them more "power"). That's what the Arc showed the Doci at the end and he was directly linked with every Prior in the universe.
@@Mukation this is correct, the ark did not doubt the definition of the Ori’s godhood but it did show the truth on the Ori’s true nature, the lies they had told and how they had been using the people to that end and everything that was taught to them was a lie
My personal theory is that the Sangraal didn't actually destroy the Ori, but rather de-ascended them instead. They would've reverted back to their psychical forms with no memories of who they are, while others might have ended in up in a similar state like Anubis.
@@Connor.SG-1Ring That's a pretty interesting idea. Although in Ark of Truth, Adria claims they were all destroyed so who knows.
@@barbiquearea Maybe Adria simply assumed they were destroyed. From what I understand, Ascended beings aren't omniscient. Otherwise, someone like Oma Desala wouldn't have gotten deceived by Anubis.
Factions I would like to see next:
1. The Locust Horde | Gears of War
2. The Union of Independent Republics | Gears of War
3. The Goa'uld | Stargate
4. The Space Wolves | Warhammer 40K
5. The Yuuzhan Vong Empire | Star Wars
I’d love to see more of the alteran split. I’ve always imagined they were a caste based society, ranked on progression towards ascension according to the teachings of the Holy Book: origin.
Supreme were a priestly caste charged with guiding the evolution of their race. Below them were a caste of scientists and philosophers, their task was to discover and invent new technologies. Over time the scientists made discoveries that contradicted Origin. They presented their findings to their people... the Priests did not take it well.
They condemned the scientists and turned all the other castes against them. Faced with war against their entire race the scientists chose exile and They became the ancients.
Both races eventually ascended but with their superior understanding the ancients reached higher levels. The Ori couldn’t stand that, the idea there were things they might be wrong about was a direct attack on their beliefs. Lacking the power to win the Ori resorted to draining energy from lower beings to equal the ancients.
Except the cast system thing, this seems about what happened.
Actual chaos gods
deriving their power from belief
I thought they were very interesting Bunch because they're essentially what would happen if the Ancients had decided instead of ascending to try to take over the universe.
It also makes sense that with the Ancients there would be those who would disagree with the mainline populations beliefs and plans, so the fact that the Alterans are technically separatists who left is highly amusing given that the "Separatists" eventually managed to make galaxy changing tools and weapons.
"All Hallow the Ori"
Well if I would eventually go the ori consideration route I would go with that the ori had a legitly good reason to separate from then alterians with how a lot of athiests can have a superiority complex in regards to religion and it makes sense alot of ancients would be like that as well and oh s### I just remember that was one of the points in the audio for a video I forgot I had.
More Stargate Lore.
I Loved sg1 during my highschool years (2014-2017) so this is great.
Recently discovered humanity offshoot: "They are gods."
SG-1: "Haha P90 go brrrrrrr."
I loved that one scene where they are showing the free jaffa the guns and they finally give a reasonable explanation why staff energy weapons suck: "This is a weapon of terror." (Shows P90) "This is a weapon of war." Really good scene, including telling the assembled crowds 'If you've been on the receiving end of these weapons, you know what I'm talking about.'
It was a nice plausible reason why the frontline weapon of an advanced alien race was actually trash compared to a primitive slug thrower: It was always meant to be all show.
Finally some STARGATE!!!!!
Your narration is so good. Like seriously. I've listened to this video several times now. It's just such beautiful storytelling.
When I first saw the episode, I assumed the spelling was "Aurae". Which would literally mean "golden ones", which is appropriate enough, but also draws inference to "aura", implying beings of light or pure energy, which is literally what they are. Either way, a very appropriate name.
Glad I wasn't the only one.
unfortunately the main Prior you see in the show pronounces it "O Rai" everytime...it's kinda annoying not gonna lie 😆
another stargate video? well its been awhile! cant wait for one on factions like the Goa'uld and jaffa and other things like weaponry!
Last time I was this early, Jack was still the SG1 CO.
I see you finally talked about the true gods. Hallowed are The Ori
The Ori, just like the Goa'uld, were false gods. Now, they are DEAD false gods.
Hallowed are the Ori
I do not bow to false gods that prohibits technological progress and free will. nor should a god demand worship.
the Ori and Origin can take a hike
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Allah will save you 🤣
@@Monk-E
Allah and God are the same god. It still owes me a bill for the damage to the pyramids his crusading Spainsh wrecked. You have any idea what that's done to my credit? the last one wasn't fully paid off yet!!. I Hate it when Loki up north keep reminding me about it!!
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Hallowed are the Ori!
Hallowed are the Ori.
Hallowed are the Ori.
Hallowed are the children of the Ori.
Hallowed are the (cheeks of the) Ori(ci)
@@quisqueyanguy120 As a male of this galaxy, i can personally attest that Origin has become much more appealing for me. ;D
Great video. Glad to see stargate is still being talked about after all these years.
What always got me about the Ori is the observation that their _reactor room_ looks like the _exotic particle reactor_ (from Stargate Atlantis early S2)
Eother the toilet ships _plug straight into the Ori themselves_ for power or they've perfected those bleed torsion reactors.
Ori are Ancients, and are interacting more directly. The Ori likely used the Priors to convert the material provided by the local people into the supertech needed for the war
"Then to Tyolus: Say to the people of the low plains, seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors lest it find purchase in your own house."
Always love seeing more Stargate content.
Simply MORE please SG is awesome.
Hallowed is the Templin employee who decided to make this video!
God I love Stargate. Such a shame what happened to the IP.
They made a show called Stargate Universe and forgot to have fun. :(
Its very close to coming back. The writers are pitching a new Stargate series with pretty much all of the original big actors coming back to Amazon right now. It's the closest the show has ever been to coming back.
@@questionmark05 I'd rather have no Stargate show than an Amazon Stargate show.
@@akiramasashi9317 I am concerned what Amazon might do to it aswell but several of the original writers and directors are the ones sheparding this through to Amazon. Brad Wright one of the big ones has been very vocal about keeping the original feel of the shows and including the original cast. I think if Amazon went to far with crazy changes he would push back or stop the show.
@@questionmark05 If you are talking of Ark, it will be another lost in space misery porn like SG:U was, 90% drama, 10% sci-fi. By the time they revealed an interesting plot point the show was canned, because nobody could stomach the focus on the drama.
Doesn't matter how many original crew and cast you bring back, Ridley Scott can make shitty new movies too...
One of my favorite things about the Ori was how they were found and how the Milky Way was subsequently found, one of the best of the later seasons for sure.
While you're covering alien theocracies, perhaps you could cover the Dominion next?
After all, you already got the Covenant and the Ori Empire.
Before covid MGM was about to create a new stargate series but when it the pandemic started they had no choice but to sell everything to Amazon
Ori are basically if the middle-ages era catholic church was in space
Hallowed are the Ori
Hallowed are the Ori
@Hunterkage Joestar Have you not heard of the Path of Origin?
@Hunterkage Joestar dirty heretic, hallowed are the Ori!
@@JackofNothingess indeed
@@JackofNothingess Hallowed are those who walk in unison.
I've been waiting for another Stargate episode for a while. This is exciting
What was the last one about?
I always thought their spaceships looked like flying toilet seat covers.
Or British wedding hats.
If O'Neil was still active in the show, I feel like this would have been a canon observation.
I love that you guys in space talk or a bold featuring stargate in your Videos makes me super happy
Just a small note: The Priors themselves were not artificially created humans. They were naturally born humans who were deemed "worthy" by the Ori to spread their word, and were artificially evolved to the point of near ascension. That artificial evolution is what gave them their powers.
Oh wow, a return to a classic SciFi setting ! Nice.
Saw the word Stargate and clicked faster than a Jafa can draw a Zat.
The Ori were a once mighty civilisation bought low by human expeditions into the unknown and gunpowder
maybe you can make a video about Romulan Republic from the Star Trek Online?pls
It would be awesome if The Templin Institute would take a look at the Galactic Empire and Free Planets Alliance from Legend of the Galactic Heroes. I know is an old Ova but it would fit right on this channel with how well thought out the lore, politics and logistics of war are on that anime. A deeper analysis would be welcome since not many talk about it.
_Legend_ annoyed me because the first episode tried to sell the audience on how awesome the main characters were... by making all their superiors into complete morons. Which I didn't mind, until they told us that this wasn't the beginning of the war, it was just another engagement in a long, hard fought war. Which means the total incompetents _should_ have been dead or at least been moved somewhere they couldn't break anything.
The story gets better, later, but that intro really rubs me the wrong way.
@@boobah5643 I see what you mean. However, I always thought the reason the FPA was able to put up a fight against the Galactic Empire was because of the incompetence from the Empire. Spoilers, but is no wonder that after Lohengram became the emperor and appointed actually competent admirals that you see the Empire make strides and actually win the war. I know they had to go through Pezzan to accomplish it, but the Empire always had the bigger army and more men. Makes sense that all the previous incompetent aristocrats could afford to throw them to the meat grinder.
My personal theory is that the Sangraal didn't actually destroy the Ori, but rather descended them instead. They would've reverted back to their psychical forms while others might have ended in up in a similar state like Anubis.
If anything, aren't the Alterans an offshoot of the Ori? Alteran meaning "other" and all, and Ori I assume being related to the word "origin" or "original".
I think that's the Ori's point. They want to make it seem that they came first, that before them there was nothing. Probably trying to erase the existence of the Alterans.
Sort of. It is kinda like vulcans and romulans in star trek. Same biological race, but different philosophy and culture.
Nah, they make a point that the Ori where very few compared to the size of the Alterans. That's why they could never beat the Alterans even when they had ascended, they where to few.
But i get your point. it's never explained if the Alterans where people who over generations stopped being religious (and the Ori simply being the ones who remaind religous) or if the Ori where ancients who started to think religious beliefs where more important that science?
@@MasterGeekMX Ahh, that's probably a more apt analogy
@@Mukation I like to imagine the Alterans started leaving their home galaxy when the Ori began using biological warfare against them. Apparently part of the reason they all ascended in the first place was because the Ori developed a special plague that only they could cure which as shown in the show wrecked havoc on unbelievers.
Kinda dipped out of Stargate after the Goa'uld were defeated so I don't know much about the Ori.
Let's see what they are all about!
Think of the Catholic Church during the Middle ages but if they had super powers. But not only superpowers not only but their priests have literal god-like powers.
Not only that but they burn you publicly and they make you pray. publicly and they suppress all forms of technology all forms of science. Burn away your history books and from the past destroy anything that predates.
Christianity but not only that they literally have the power to build spaceships. And their motto is innocence proves nothing.
A lot of people dipped out after what effectively was the series finale. I view everything after the defeat of the Replicators as a giant epilogue, but a really decent one.
As the show itself joked about later, the first era of the series really ended with the original SG-1 going fishing.
@@BlazingOwnagertoo bad for you buddy
Hallowed are the Ori brother.
I'm glad that channels like Templin and Spacedock are reminding people that Stargate exists. We're just starving for SG content...
Y'all ain't ready for this I've been waiting for this video
"And those who are prideful and refuse to bow down, shall be laid low and made into dust."
"And then did Tyolus say to the people of the low plains, 'Seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors, lest it find purchase in your own house'."
Ahh, the Battle of P3Y-229, just shortly before the massacre began.
We need more Stargate!
Inspiration for a stellaris empire… Hallowed are the Ori
One of my most dominating evil empires was one that was kind of a fusion of ori and goauld, Necrophage conversion based, but a unified empire without infighting, led to the whole galaxy being directly enslaved or vassalized
2:25 wait, Im confused, Aeryn from Farscape? or was this the same actress (Claudia Black, she can keep my peace any day, meow) on an episode of SG:1 or Atlantis I cant remember?
I hope that the next instalment of Stargate is as dark as Universe and as action packed as SG-1. It was great seeing Carter and O'Neill acting pragmatic, something that we rarely saw in SG-1 or Atlantis.
Universe was not great when it started but started getting better towards to the end of it's run. I hate when alot of scifi shows try to focus on character drama instead of trying to tell a compelling story. The execution was all wrong.
@@judaegekikamen4223 Exactly. Universe felt like I was watching a drama that just happened to be based in space. Though I can't really blame the show for that, since dramatification was the clear trend in TV post-2000, and SG1 and Atlantis were the last non-character-driven Sci-Fi holdouts.
I hope if they do a new series they get Tapping back to be the new General.
I always thought it was bizarre she never got a crack at running the place. She was far and away the most qualified and honestly far too important to be put on the front line constantly at a certain point. She's definitely who I'd like to see running the place, with a close second being Cameron Mitchel (Bowder deserves to be in more stuff).
@@BlazingOwnager Sam would always prefer Area 51 then taking over SGC.
@@Vilfy If she wanted a reduced role I'd be entirely fine with her running Area 51 in a new show. It'd let her cameo whenever they wanted.
I always liked that the Ori and their Origin religion was pretty much a Sci-Fi version of Puritan Colonialism. I remember watching the series and was like "okay they have done most of the ancient gods, and even some Sumerian demons that are 'the devil's' contemporary, are they going to risk the wrath of Christians and suggest Jesus and God were also Goa'uld or maybe Tok'ra?" and then they went in this much more suggestive arch to still do an Abrahamic-esc Religion and a pseudo Christ figure kind of enemy without ever directly mentioning Christianity as modern Western Society knows it as a comparison like they did with ancient pagan religions earlier on.
I always saw Origin as a twisted blending of Buddhism (enlightenment being the final goal) and Radical Islam (convert or die).
@@revanreborn2548 I could totally see that. The ties to Puritans was more in the human cultural parallels like daily Prostration, no other text besides the Origin Dogma, things like that to limit the humans and force worship. And the general Abrahamic parallels most of the casting system of Priors being like the choirs of Angels, and Adria kind of filling a Christ figure purpose for the Ori's cause. Ori couldn't go into our Galaxy due to an agreement with the Ancients so instead the impregnat Vala and send her back to our Galaxy to have Adria and "open the gate" to the Ori's fleet and domination to side step the agreement and bring our Galaxy into their fold.
@@CartoonHero1986 A lot of the parallels you drew to Puritans could also be drawn to Islam. Islam still has angels, Adria would more akin to Mohammed in my parallels. I will say that having read up on the Puritans I sometimes question if they were truly Christian, a lot of how they taught did not line up with the actual texts of the Bible. Thus I can see how you could still make those parallels as well as they often behaved more like Radical Islam in trying to convert people.
@@revanreborn2548 Islam, just like Judaism and Christianity, is an Abrahamic religion and that's what definitely inspired the Ori. It's a blending of all of them with a dash of 40k inspiration, in my opinion.
We all deserve to see how the galaxies have changed since we last checked in with Home World Command, to see how the Free Jaffa Nation is faring and the societies within the Ori galaxy.
Looking forward to the video on the Genii from Stargate Atlantis, loved those guys!
Am I the only one who made the A priori wordplay link (as in A prior of the Ori)? It makes sense because the whole schtick of the Ori is that their beliefs aren't based on empiricism (an a priori argument)
Few things will ever be as satisfying to me as watching a dude with a P90 cut down leather-clad baddies armed with laser-sticks.
I rewatched the series recently and I have to say, not enough appreciation is given to the sound design. Those wonderful chunky THUNK THUNK THUNK sounds as bullets hit metal, the loud ripping sound of alien weapons that you can EASILY identify by audio only (seriously, every single energy weapon in the show you can hear from it's signature sound long before it's on screen), etc. It's all so top-tier, far better than a lot of movies to this day. I can't remember a recent film where I hear weapons fire muted in the distance and can go something like "Sounds like someone with a Staff is firing at someone with a Zat" or "That sounds like Asgard weaponry."
Hollowed are the Templin Institute.
For a show about aliens SG was surprisingly thoughtful about religion and human dignity. That even amongst the stars superstitions would persist was very clever.
Stargate was the best, it was too much fun. Also, it had a very cool interesting story too. It ain't just empty jokes.
Holy Fai that last quote hit hard
I guess you could say: Hallowed WERE the Ori.
YES!!!!! More Stargate content please
Few suggestions for you guys, the Qunari from Dragon age, Czerka Corporation from Starwars, Orca Pride from Andromeda, and Ravenclaw from Harry Potter.
It would have been interesting if the Wraith had found out about the Ori Galaxy (or vice versa) and gone there thinking "yummy, lots of primative Humans to feed upon" and both sides got a rude suprise.
And what if either group had been discovered just a few decades earlier by the System Lords.
Or either group came up against the Replicators.
Then there's that super advanced Human civilisation which had no knowledge of Stargates, that secretly uses dropping the birth rate to take over planets. They would have a interesting time as well with other factions as they were powerful enough to wipe out all Goa'uld quickly in a alternate timeline, while being very good at being duplicitous, they may have been able to play the Ori.
Really, Stargate Command should have just stayed in the Milky Way Galaxy for a while and consolidated their victory. A century or two to stabilise things, get a galactic alliance going and incorporate all the new tech and make a advanced Earth (that knows the secret) the centre of a new 'Federation', as well as dealing with all the problem civilisations within the galaxy.
They did stay in the Milky Way. Adria basically prank called the Ori galaxy and Daniel talked too much during said call. You could maybe counter with Pegasus but that was just a few hundred people and none of the threats (at the time of 1st contact with the Ori) could get to the Milky Way (or even know where it was).
Furlings 😅
The Aschen used Stargates. They used 'em as mass transport to carry loot from the planets they dominated home; specifically we see them dumping a freighter's worth of grain through one. They figured out less than the Tau'ri did, however: they never figured out how to manually compensate for stellar drift and so were very limited in what gates they could open.
"The power and the greatness of the Ori cannot be denied. Those who reject the Path to enlightenment must be destroyed." I loved the Ori. very Old Testament. fire and brimstone, jealous gods. :)
Always thought that ending was an easy copout though...magic box makes ignorance go away
Well this is a welcome surprise addition.
Been waiting for another Stargates one.
Do you have a link to the video about the best method to cook rice?
Why do I love the Ori so much? It allowed for Claudia Black to once again prove that she is one of the OG and best sci-fi actresses.
Advanced alien weapons and armor vs P90s is awesome
I was waiting for this one.
Hollowed are the Ori. The Ori where a great villain for Star Gate.
I’m glad we at least got Ark of Truth to wrap up the story, I still wish we could have had another season or two to let the storyline play out.
1:01 whoawhoaWHOA! Typo!
False gods, dead false gods.
The Ori are amongst the greatest badguy races in science fiction.
Really well done good stuff
I have to confess 1/2 of the reason I listen to TI is because of this man’s voice AND im straight. He could do Netflix documentaries
The Ori: The Stargate version of The Covenant.
Thank you the English subtitle.
Oh I sure hope so that You'll do videos on all Stargate Factions ;))))))
Excellent overview I love Stargate ... also when I Die do my eulogy
Am I the only one who gets Halo Covenant vibes with the Ori.
I’ve never watched an episode of Stargate but just from this alone I see the resemblance.
A religious almost cult like civilisation that worship the words of beings that lie in order to achieve higher power that ends up having a military used to fight in a war against humans and have weapons and tools that are far more technologically advanced.
Dunno it just has that same vibe to it.
Aren't all theocracies like that though? You could also lump in the Amarr Empire from EVE Online into that group.
Just replace the elites and the grunts with poor medieval plebs that carry weapons that they belive channel the power of the god. And a ton of medieval christianity flavour.
No, The Covenant were very different in that theirs was a Genocidal conflict, it made Humanity's stand more poignant in knowing that it was also possibly a *last* stand.
The Ori were just trying to convert the Milky Way, not destroy it
no no he is not wrong. The ori are literally everything that the prophet wanted to be : gods, and of course with no need to share powers with the elite or the rest. But of course the main difference is that the Ori were not doing a genocidal campaign and where more interested in religious workship so there power would grow.
The Dominion from Star Trek DS9 is more similar to the Ori Empire, though the Dominion Founders are actually mere mortals with superpowers, namely shapeshifting, rather than actual gods like the Ori.
Ahhh the Ori. Let's see what ya got!
if the air date is the time that the show happened concurrently then March 10th, 2006 was the date that the Ori invaded our galaxy and committed their own version of their Crusade
on us. I can't believe how long it's been!
One of the greatest villains in the show cut short is truly a shame